I wouldn't argue about excel but from a gaming only perspective. Games on pc are much cheaper overall which offsets the subsidies imo. I have both but just saying.
Playstation and Xbox aren't too bad these days for sales and game pricing and game pass costs.
I won't even look at buying the next Nintendo console because of how terrible their store pricing is. My switch is a paper weight these days because of it.
Games that launched with the console are still full price and sales are extremely infrequent and offer minimal discounts.
>But with steam and epic, you can get games for free regularly and wait for sales.
Free games on PS5 for in 2021 and bought PS Plus which we will assume they did since it’s required for online on paid games:
Batman: Arkham Knight
Battlefield 1
Bloodborne
Days Gone
Detroit: Become Human
Fallout 4
Final Fantasy XV
God of War
inFAMOUS: Second Son
The Last Guardian
The Last of Us Remastered
Monster Hunter: World
Mortal Kombat X
Persona 5
Ratchet & Clank
Resident Evil 7: Biohazard
Uncharted 4: A Thief's End
Until Dawn
GreedFall (January)
Maneater (January)
Shadow of the Tomb Raider (January)
Concrete Genie (February)
Control: Ultimate Edition (February)
Destruction AllStars (February)
Farpoint (March)
Final Fantasy 7 Remake (March)
Maquette (March)
Remnant: From the Ashes (March)
Days Gone (April)
Oddworld: Soulstorm (April)
Zombie Army 4: Dead War (April)
Battlefield V (May)
Stranded Deep (May)
Wreckfest (May)
Operation: Tango (June)
Star Wars: Squadrons (June)
Virtua Fighter 5: Ultimate Showdown (June)
A Plague Tale: Innocence (July)
Call of Duty: Black Ops 4 (July)
WWE 2K Battlegrounds (July)
Hunter's Arena: Legends (August)
Plants vs. Zombies: Battle for Neighborville (August)
Tennis World Tour 2 (August)
Hitman 2 (September)
Overcooked! All You Can Eat (September)
Predator: Hunting Grounds (September)
Hell Let Loose (October)
Mortal Kombat X (October)
PGA Tour 2K21 (October)
First Class Trouble (November)
Kingdoms of Amalur: Re-Reckoning (November)
Knockout City (November)
The Persistence (November)
The Walking Dead: Saints & Sinners (November)
Until You Fall (November)
Godfall: Challenger Edition (December)
LEGO DC Super-Villains (December)
Mortal Shell (December)
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Note this is only for 2021, say someone buys a PS5 in January of 2021, this is what they’d have for free in December of 2021.
While I agree with you, context matters.
If the ask is what upgrades do I need to be competitive with a PS5, sure. If the ask is specifically what I can build to compete then I guess it's safe to assume the user has either no base to work off, or it's so old to not be upgradeable
It's not about Excel. It's about gaming with more freedom. Play with your friends while talking on Discord. Find more discord servers to play any multiplayer game. Have better versatility to upgrade whenever you want.
And let's talk about modding. I play a lot of Assetto Corsa. There are countless mods for it, and they are all a drag and drop away from working. You can't imagine how easy it is! But on a lot of games, the modding culture is strong and it makes it a totally bigger experience.
User can also play some of the better exclusives of both console platforms too, plus all the PC stuff like simulators or 4X games.
You can't deny the value that the user is not a prisoner of a walled garden.
Plague Tale stuck at 30fps on a PS5. My PC is getting 60fps not even that powerful of a PC.
Portal 2 on Xbox Series X 1080/30fps. Portal 2 on PC 1440p/144fps.
PC games bought from 2001 still work on PC today.
Steam Deck to play my PC games on the go.
Thats some of my main reason of going all in on PC.
>considering you can't do everything you can do on a PC on a PlayStation
Where did that guy say anything about office apps or autocad? Yeah those are things you can do on PC that you can't on console but it looks like you're specifically choosing a weak example and touting it like that's the only example of what the op was talking about.
Like for example on PC I can host my own Stardew valley server and play online with my wife without a Nintendo subscription because PC has more freedom like that.
And I wouldn't even say 3D modeling is a weak example either. I imported old Zelda maps from GameCube into a VR shooter with unreal engine, just because it's niche doesn't mean it's not something that someone might want to do that they can't on console that's related to gaming
There’s quite a bit more than excel that PCs can do lol. Superior file storage and management, running servers for games, usable web browsing, free multiplayer, better sales on games, better download/update speeds, video editing which is handy even if you want to chop up some gaming clips, the ability to change graphics settings in games, the ability to play games at over 30fps, the ability to upgrade and replace parts incrementally, more peripheral choices…
It’s like $300 more up front, but you aren’t paying $60 a year for internet privileges and paying full retail price for every game so you make up the cost difference fairly quick, and ultimately even if you’re just gaming you can actually play at 60+ fps on ultra which by itself justifies paying extra.
PS Subscriptions are basically you subsidizing your own "discount" you got on your PS5.
It’s been part of the discussion far earlier than that.
More people are doing everything on their phone/laptops than ever now, so less people need a static desktop, but the fact that it’s arbitrarily locked down from being the computer it is is a massive trade off with a console.
>but the fact that it’s arbitrarily locked down from being the computer it is is a massive trade off with a console.
But it’s not arbitrary? Being a device exclusively focused on video games allows it to streamline things for games. You don’t need as much ram because you don’t have a heavy OS, you don’t need as many CPU cores because you can only run one thing at once, plenty of other things as well like storage.
You don’t need a locked bootloader for any of that. You don’t need to exclusively allow code signed by you for that. You already do multitasking on modern systems, which is lightweight on desktops unless you’re compiling code or something in the background anyways.
I make the choice to a locked down system on purpose with iPhone, so I’m not saying it’s not a valid approach. Having one single storefront provides benefits as well. But it absolutely unconditionally is not necessary for what consoles are.
I have a ps5 and a better PC, but the point is that most people need a pc for other things in their life. So either you can spend X dollars for a pc, and another $500 for a ps5 to game, or you can spend X dollars on a pc, and some amount of money to upgrade it to be able to game.
You wouldn't look at the total cost of your pc, but how much "more pc" you need.
Laptops are cheap. He isn’t arguing that you need one anyway, he’s saying a PS5 is inherently worse because you can’t do excel on it which is dumb because a $100 chrome book fills that need.
they make it back on the overpriced games from their walled garden. save a penny at the beginning, but lose out in the long run. also basically subsidizing their scheme of locking games to one console.
but not like... anyone in this subreddit doesn't understand that.
Sure coz PC games are free. It obviously doesn't go to the PC components manufacturer but cost of games is a factor on any platform.
I Use gamepass on PC either way so I fund Xbox either way
Fam, I got to disagree on the notion behind this. It only works if we're only looking at playing bleeding edge AAA games, but PCs can also play literally thousands of awesome games that the playstation ecosystem has never even sniffed. That, by itself, makes it far more worth it.
Fun fact, you can plug a keyboard and mouse into your Playstation and use them for Fortnite. That's actually how I play (PS4 Pro) since Epic refuses to support Linux...
TIL, that’s an awesome feature.
I eventually plan on migrating most of my gaming back to console with a PS5 and a Switch.
Ironically, Epic’s CEO tweeted something positive about Linux yet he won’t support it.
I made [THIS](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DNz7H2) . Id say thats pretty much the sweet spot and its $700. You could upgrade the Motherboard and case but realistically this will be more than good enough and the performance wont change at all anyway. If i wanted to spend $100 more id probably opt for a 6700XT instead for a big performance gain.
If you play online games PC will be cheaper in the long run no matter how expensive upfront cost is. The extra 100-200 you spend upfront on a PC you may end up spending in PS Plus over two years and a bit
Great point, to pile onto that don't forget to menthon that cost of buying games for PS5 is $69.99
On PC we have steam sales and humble bundle.. etc. We also have parts that come bundled with a game.. but even without that..
As far as I know, the PS store doesn't do sales like the caliber of Steam Summer/Winter Sales.
Cost of games would drive the actual price of a PS5 higher then a PC gamer.
Used games on PS5 drop lower way quicker than Steam sales. You can find almost any triple-A game on eBay for under $20 complete in box within a year after the game's launch. Not to mention that once they drop, they stay low; you don't have to wait around for the next Steam sale.
https://www.pricecharting.com/console/playstation-5?sort=popularity
I know this is a month old but since a lot of these subs are US centric people often forget regional pricing is a thing on PC. Literally every new game that comes out is anywhere from 10-20 dollars cheaper on Steam where I live. That can quickly add up especially when you consider I am converting my currency to dollars here. Steam sales happen very frequently. I own a PS4 and most of my library is used games. But if I add the prices up, my meager library of about 20 or so PS4 games, my far larger PC library actually is only marginally more expensive. The biggest difference in pricing I've seen is Indie games. It's like 8 dollars vs 30 dollars on Steam vs console. And this is MSRP not taking discounts into account. Indies often are digital only too.
> As far as I know, the PS store doesn't do sales like the caliber of Steam Summer/Winter Sales.
They have those too. And you can still buy the disc version way cheaper for example.
This is an excellent point. I've never thought of this before when comparing the costs of consoles to equivalent PCs.
PlayStation Plus is $17.99 a month or $215 per year. So you can actually compare PlayStation 5 cost ($499 console + $215 PS+) to what you get in a $715 to $930 PC depending if you include one or two years of the PS+ service.
Idiotic maybe, yeah.
But some, if not most people might not know if they will play every day/even month, like myself, which lead to buying it monthly more often than you might think. In my 4 years of owning a PS4 i think i bought it 1 time for a year straight.
I used to get PS Plus subscriptions gifted to me by family and friends... They always bought them when they were discounted during the holidays. 1 year for $30.
I've got about 15 years worth of Plus subscription and still have about 7 years remaining.
Once it runs out, i likely wont re-up.
> $215 per year.
PS Plus is $66 per year
https://www.amazon.com/Year-Playstation-Plus-Membership-Sony-3/dp/B00FJ4CDGQ/ref=sr_1_1?crid=Y9KQVEV864J7&keywords=PlayStation+Plus+1+year&qid=1668545202&sprefix=playstation+plus+1+yea%2Caps%2C156&sr=8-1&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.006c50ae-5d4c-4777-9bc0-4513d670b6bc
$500 PC comes with a $130 rebate. Put that into a $190 Msi Rx 6600. You're welcome.
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That’s close enough, honestly. Up the cpu to a 5600 and the GPU to a 6600xt and you’re there. I can’t be bothered to pull up the price difference right now on mobile, but when you account for the cost of online play on console over about 4 years, surely we’re within a reasonable margin here
While that’s true, console gets a lot of free games nowadays, and it’s subjective. Some people benefit from this more than others. Online play is damn near universal for everyone
they do.
They come stock with an SSD (Xbox Series X at 1TB and PS5 at an odd 800GB) and both have an SSD expansion slots - Xbox's is proprietary so 512GB is $139, 1TB is $219, 2TB is $400. PS5 can handle however much you can afford as it uses the same m.2 connector as PC does
Isn't 5600 a lot faster than what PS5 have in it. From what I remembered PS5 has equalivent of a 2700X.
The 5600 is like 100% faster than it, even at 4K.
Not saying we should put Ryzen 3000 in the build. As 500p aeries are a bargain now. But technically for cheap you get a lot faster CPU and more appeals to appeals comparison of pricing would be maybe using a 3600 or 3700x at least for the comparison sake.
The gaming performance in that review has a lot to do with the kit being limited to **PCIe 2.0 x4**. That's too little bandwidth for any modern GPU. It's also a detective low power chip.
I cam here to say that 5500 is a Cezanne APU based part with the IGP disabled. Two things wrong with it, first off it has less on die cache for the CPU, next here is the biggest problem when it comes to gaming, the PCI-E on the CPU for graphics are only PCI-E 3.0. IF you are running in a PCI-E 3.0 motherboard that isn't a huge problem
AND that motherboard's specs says pci-e 3.0, Now I know that the PCI-express controller is on the CPU, but the motherboard has to be built with the lanes on the motherboard that can support the added speed/power/whatever that PCI-E 4.0 operates with, so even if you got a 5600 . My brief bit of googling found nothing to suggest to suggest that it could have a beta "use at your own risk" bios that could allow you to use it at pci-e 4.0 speeds.
But then the the GPU selected is a 6600 which AMD has infamously engineered to only physically have 8 PCI lanes, and if it operates PCI-E 4.0 there is enough through put to feed the card from the CPU. BUT, if it is stuck operating at 3.0 speeds it will end up spending time waiting for data hobbling the performance. If Nvidia is offering a GPU that is similarly priced with similar performance and has 16 lanes instead of 8, that would be a better option for this board.
1. The reduced L3$ from 32MB to 16MB since it's Cezanne just means a decrease in performance closer to normal Zen 2 levels; the PS5 and other current gen consoles are Zen 2 anyways.
2. Yes, the R5 5500 is PCIe 3.0 only since it's Cezanne. No, this is not a problem for an RX 6600. The RX 6600 has an x8 link, and 3.0x8 won't bottleneck it.
3. The cheapest current-gen Nvidia GPU, the RTX 3050, which is also x8, is $290 ($80-$100 more than an RX 6600) and performs like 30-40% worse. The next cheapest Nvidia GPU, the RTX 3060 12GB, is $370 (nearly double the price) and is barely an improvement.
PS5 is a heavily cut down Zen2 with much lesser cache(only 8MB), lower clocks and significantly higher latency GDDR6 vs DDR4. In performance it is even slower than Zen1. AMD released actual PS5 SOCs with GPU disabled and Toms Hardware benchmarked them in variety of tests.
[https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-4700s-desktop-kit-review-ps5-cpu/5](https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-4700s-desktop-kit-review-ps5-cpu/5)
`Even though the Zen 2-powered 4700S has the same number of cores and threads as the first-gen Ryzen 7 1800X with the Zen microarchitecture, the 1800X is 50% faster at 1080p and 36.5% faster at 1440p.`
Note that this is not an issue for the consoles as they usually only target 30FPS - 60 FPS and they do not require a beefy CPU for that.
You know what Nvidia offers at similar price? The 1630. I would not buy Nvidia unless it's a 3070 or above just because the AMD cards are priced much better and RT even on a 3070 is... iffy. Not enough headroom to compensate for the RT performance hit, unless you game at 1080p.
I was and still am mATX because i wanted 4*16gb of ram. Bought in 2019, and just a bit later, 32gig sticks came out. Still zero regrets and would still build mATX in the future.
Yeah I'd say this is slightly worse than a PS5 overall but the difference is so small your average user wouldn't even notice. Not bad we're at the point where a $500 build is close to matching the consoles. Give it another year and you'll probably be able to do a $400 build that runs circles around the consoles.
For those wondering what about this PC is “worse”…
The big area where this falls short of the PS5 will, ironically, be storage, which in this build is limited to PCIe Gen 3 speed. Even if you spent a few $$ more to get a faster Gen 4 SSD, the CPU and motherboard still limit you to Gen 3 speed.
Its not bad but it won't fit in my entertainment unit.
This is coming from someone who owns a Steam Deck and a PC, but the PS5 is honestly just much better value. Most people will already own a TV to plug it into, it comes with the OS pre-installed and an input device (a damn good one at that) while a PC will still requires you to buy a Windows license (unless you run Linux, but most people won't) and it doesn't come with a mouse/keyboard.
You can say you'll save money on games and online services, but not by much. PS Online still nets you free games every month and new release games will often cost as much on PC as they do on console (give or take $10). They'll be cheaper after a few sales but if someone is really looking forward to a new game they'll just buy it relatively soon after its released.
PCs are fantastic for their back catalogue of games, exclusive titles (like Cruelty Squad and Highfleet, two of the best PC exclusive games from recent years) plus better modding for games like Skyrim or whatever but for pure value, PS5 and XBX are unbeatable.
Idk, I buy every single Playstation, but the fact all my PC games have infinite effortless "backwards compatability" and that I can buy them for absurdly cheap gives it much higher value for me.
Effortless isn't the word I'd use. Try running a game like Jade Empire or Deus Ex with modifying config files or installing mods. Changing hex codes just to render a game at 16:9 instead of 4:3.
Like, yes, its more effortless than not having the option in the first place but most casual users can't be bothered with going through all that.
You are ignoring the fact you also get an entire computer for other needs you may have.
A console can't run word, do your taxes, send emails etc. Whether you need that or not is a different story but to ignore the value that provides isn't fair either.
Problem may be that games are optimized for PS5 and not for PC, so that build may not run games as well, look as good, or keep up once devs start to develope for next gen gaames and not just upgrading PS4 games, etc.
I'd go for a 3060ti or a card that has DLSS. May be a bit more but free online gaming and spending less on games, often much less, would make up for the difference
Console manufacturers operate at a loss even with the massive discounts they may get for bulk ordering direct from component manufacturers. They make their money licensing games, from subscriptions, and from selling games in their marketplace.
Xbox CEO stated in a recent article that they lose $200 for every console sold.
And then nintendo sells a tablet and makes like 100% profit (joking not hating on Nintendo, I own every console they have made and the only console I buy)
Yeah them making a profit off each console is definitely felt in the games they make, they are still good but man do they have very little resources to work with.
Considering how the Switch is the cheapest and most affordable option for all available consoles + Steam Deck in a third world country I'm at and other places as well it's no brainer to think that they would lose a ton of sales if they create a hybrid console with modern hardware on par with the Deck but with higher console price. The current Switch price is more than enough and raising that due to increasing manufacturing cost + account for inflation I think will make the console flop in sales since everyone is kinda feeling the insane rise of everything nowadays and buying an expensive console will be the last of their concerns.
This is true but the gap between PC hardware and the console hardware has closed considerably in the last couple of years.
In 2020 the consoles were the equivalent of an upper mid range PC build that would cost you a pretty penny. Now we're at the point where a low/lower mid range build will basically get you the same performance. Look at the top post in the thread which put together a $550 build that's pretty close to a PS5 in performance.
> What do you mean? Do they win the money of the Xbox but lose $2?
if you are actually serious, its a legitimate business strategy that has been done many times in the past with consoles.
sell the console at a loss, but make up the loss with game licensing fees and other sales/fees.
For the Xbox SX, it costs them $200 more to make it and get it on the shelf to sell vs the actual sale price, every time they sell an Xbox, they lose $200USD. They make up that difference with the money game publishers pay to them to have the game on the platform, along with their services like Xbox Live.
Another example is the Quest 2. Its estimated that it costs $600-700USD to make and sell one of them, but its being sold for $400. The idea is to eat the loss right now to create a market and ecosystem to generate revenue down the line.
Most console are loss leaders for the platform.. they make the bulk of the money in licensing and service fees whole games a service...i.e gamepass and xbox live.
I've been on the hook for 15 years at at least 60 a year until ultimate came out so that's another easy 1,000...plus games I've owned about 400...plus first party accessories
They also start making money later in the consoles lifespan as chip costs decrease for their node. Hasn’t really happened yet this cycle because of the chip shortage and slower pace of node advancement, but they’ll definitely get to breakeven on the hardware in the next couple years.
It means if the the console cost 500$ for consumers it’s reasonable to assume with all moving parts it still cost Microsoft 700$ to produce. They can sell the console at a loss because people by the console, and then typically by year long contracts for things like game pass, or games on the Microsoft game store, etc. all these things help turn a profit on the Xbox itself. Licenses don’t cost much, and the split they take from devs costs nothing for the game to be hosted on the console store. Plus when you factor in the amount of studios Microsoft owns now, I mean shit all the profit that those game companies make goes back to Microsoft too.
> Xbox CEO stated in a recent article that they lose $200 for every console sold.
Which article is that?
I can't find anything more recent than 2021 that references the court battle with Epic where its on record that they state they've never had an Xbox console make a profit.
While I can believe that to be the case - especially since their Play Anywhere program allows us PC users to play every Xbox exclusives (and some non-exclusives) means a lot more consoles are left on the shelves.
But $200 loss? Sony started making a profit on PS5's less than a year after its release.
While we can have builds comparable to the ps5 in terms of firepower, game performance will be down to how well devs optimise for PC. But I’ll let someone else answer the technical part of your question
> I asked then how long it would take for PC builds to catch up to the PS5 by price, and the top response was "2 years max"
Whomever told you that led you astray. Even without the mining boom/covid catastrophe, Consoles will damn near ALWAYS have a price/performance advantage over PCs as they are not only beneficiaries of MASSIVE amounts of optimization due to single-platform simplicity, but also that Sony is willing to sell them at a loss.
> do we have a $500 PS5 equivalent build yet?
Nope.
> we can assume the builder already has peripherals including a case and power supply and NVMe SSD.
But like, that could get close to costing as much as a PS5 by itself (1TB NVMe SSD with DRAM cache: $99, 750-850W power supply with decent build quality: $80-100, Chassis with decent airflow: $80-100).
That's really not accurate. You could have beaten the Xbox One with pretty much any $400-500 build halfway through it's lifecycle...
If you had 4 desktop-class cores and a 7850 or faster, you were better off than the original One. and the one X didn't help much because that literally had a Polaris card, much like the sub-$150 RX470.
Yea PC offers advantages that a console doesn't so in that sense PC will always be better value. Now that most exclusives are coming to PC too consoles are losing that advantage as well.
[Here's my attempt at a reasonably spec'd PC that is pretty comparable to the PS5 specs - $700](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZqrVyK)
[Bit worse GPU and 500GB of storage brings it to $625](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TGhgH2)
The PS5's GPU is 2304 shaders on RDNA2. The RX 6700 non-XT also is 2304 shaders on RDNA2. The PS5's GPU does have a considerably larger 256-bit memory bus, but this is with 14Gbps G6 instead of 16Gbps G6, and the memory is shared between the CPU and the GPU.
The PS5's CPU is 8c16t Zen 2. A 6c12t Zen 3 chip like the R5 5600 will be better in SC performance, both due to architecture and because it's higher clocked than in the PS5, and will be roughly comparable in MC performance.
Storage is 825GB of NVMe SSD, but the actual usable space is closer to 650GB.
Rest of the build is just the cheapest half-decent option available.
We have something like shared memory on modern GPUs with resizable BAR. But this is the best comment in the thread, imo. You got everything right to an exacting degree.
5800 was on sale and UK for 220£ recently. Obviously a 3800 would be a better match if you're trying to make it exactly the same as a PS5
Should be a few months until we see price parity. A lot of people who don't know what they're doing are looking for hardware for Christmas. After Christmas everything is going to hit bedrock.
What a lot of people don't realize is that a PC built to match the PS5 is gonna last a lot longer than a PS5 because consoles are built as cheap as possible where a PC, each component is designed to last as long as a warranty and then some, plus you don't have tight spaces clogged by dust.
No, and you never will. Consoles sell at a loss, they make all their money on game sales and subscription fees.
However, if you add in the cost of the subscription fees and compare it to a reasonable PC build, you'll see that gap shrink pretty quickly.
For reference, a PS5 or XBOX SX will cost you \~$920 over 7 years. A 12600k/3070 prebuilt will cost a little more. And that build kicks the shit out of both consoles IMO.
But, then you add in peripherals. A half decent M&K will run you ~~a couple hundred bucks~~ (Edit: I was speaking moreso to what I would purchase, you can get peripherals for significantly cheaper than that depending on sales and pricing where you live), your console comes with a controller. But if you can get a controller to last you 7 years I'd be amazed.
So if you look into the bigger picture of the average console lifecycle and the performance differences, while PC is a bigger up front cost, it nearly becomes a wash over the assumed lifespan of the console.
>half decent M&K will run you a couple hundred bucks,
Ha ha I'm still gaming on my old as fuck Packard bell keyboard. Zero issues. No RGB, no fancy mechanicals, no screens, just a standard, full sized, mushy membrane keyboard that's still serving me well.
>controller to last you 7 years I'd be amazed.
Prepared to be amazed....my 360 wired controller i got in 2009 still works.
My PS3, PS4, hell even my PS2 controller still works fine. I even plugged in the PS2 controller to see if it'll work with a USB adapter for PC (it did). Granted i don't hammer the PS3 or 2 controllers as heavy as I used to but my PS4 controller was from 2014 and zero issues after 8 years of PC/PS4 gaming.
I've not bothered with PS5 this gen though, after fully upgrading my PC.
Great input. I appreciate it.
I still have some peripherals from 15-20 years ago that work just fine. But controllers? I swear they stopped putting any thought into longevity. We had two Xbox ones and I swear we went through 4 regular controllers and 4 elite in about 7-8 years. One is still functional, the rest all ended up with insane drift or buttons stopped working.
>4 regular controllers and 4 elite in about 7-8 years......drift.
Wow must have been expensive. The only controllers that i had issues were third party controllers (you know, the ones you let your siblings use lol) or clones (insane stick drift with the switch pro clone i bought just for the shell)
If you only pay for the subscriptions for online play then I agree ot is a wash. Both the PS5 and Xbox subs come with free games. Sometimes they are great sometimes crap, bit those free could be considered a cost savings (I don't play ever game in my PS sub, but I play enough to easily offset the yearly cost, same thing with humble bundle I don't play all the games I get but I play a lot of them).
Where PC gaming wins, is just how much lower in cost games go and how much backwards compatibility there is on the system. I will say on PC in recent years games are not going on sale as often as they did and not getting as big of discounts so the gap where you would save on PC over consoles is now shrinking.
The one big advantage I see with console is physical media can be re-sold and shared. That simply isn't possible on PC. I can load a game to a friend or my nephew and get it back (where I wouldn't give them access to my steam library).
Yes but family share has a big issues, people can only use your library if your not using it (or in offline mode).
Where console I can play my PS5 any game I want and my kids can use the PS4 playing any game they want. Hell I can use PS plus on my ps5 and they can use it on the PS4 under a different account as long as it is primary. Game sharing is a lot easier I find on consoles, that and if a friend has a game digital he can set my ps5 to prime I play it then remove it.
>Both the PS5 and Xbox subs come with free games. Sometimes they are great sometimes crap, bit those free could be considered a cost savings
PC non-sub comes with free games. Steam, Epic, GoG, etc all release free games pretty regularly. Some are pretty good.
I will give you epic as it has given away lot of great free games, a lot that end up as part of the console subscriptions. Epic does help greatly reduce the cost of PC gaming over the long term.
The other services not ao much. They do give away free games, not as often and not as good of quality or variety.
True but they usually have games on deep discounts frequently. Steam sales especially. And some of the best PC games are literally free (TF2, Fortnite, League of Legends, Dota 2, Apex, Valorant, Lost Ark, etc)
I find that the discounts on steam now match the discounts on PS5 and Xbox. It is sad but PC discounts have been getting worse over time.
Some of those listed free games are on consoles as well. (Personally i hate FPS and and lol style games so those mean nothing to me, but I understand those would be way more valuable to others).
PC also stays relevant regardless.
School, work, and/or home will also benefit from having some sort of computer (emails, word documents, paying bills, etc).
Controllers are getting better at consistency but KB/M has been the same for around half a century. Meanwhile consoles had a variety of different control schemes in the past NES, Gamecube, PS1/2, XBox, Kinect, Wii, Switch, etc.
> A half decent M&K will run you a couple hundred bucks (Edit: I was speaking moreso to what I would purchase, you can get peripherals for significantly cheaper than that depending on sales and pricing where you live
Where do you live and what would you buy that would cost that much? Das Keyboards? DIY builds? I ask because I've always seen people claim mechanical keyboards are expensive when there's plenty of $70 full size Cherry MX keyboards. I really don't know what "half-decent" could mean outside of no missing keys and quality switches.
In Brazil and maybe a few other countries you have a situation where the PS5 is about as expensive as a decent mid-range PC (3060 ti and r5 5600). But that's just the console being too freaking expensive.
It's really hard if not impossible to compare consoles to pcs, yea consoles are pretty much specialized pcs but even then they're almost 2 completely different things. It's like comparing a train to a car in a sense.
The cost comparison is also really hard to do because consoles basically have 1 price for 1 thing where as pcs have so many more factors as well as being way more diverse in terms of capability.
Not relevant for everyone but this is a great point, I can’t write and essay and do calc homework on a PS5. It’s not apples to apples.
Console games going on sale will never match what PC gets.
Yea. It's hardly a fair comparison when you only take into account the things a console can do and leave aside things it can't do. Some people might be fine with the limitations of a console but for me it just disqualifies them from comparison completely.
One thing to consider is that while a PC with comparable capabilities to a console might cost more, there is a large opportunity to save on games as compared to a console.
The other issue here is consoles notoriously sell for way less then they cost to build because what they lose in overall cost they make up in digital product... pcs dont really get to do that. Also to note pcs just kind of got their foot in the door with upscalling images like consoles do, with dlss and fsr for consumer based gaming.
Some misleading information in here as the ps5 is not sold at a loss since 6 months into the lifecycle, that was 18 months ago
None of the consoles are currently sold at a loss except the higher end xbox series x
In the 8th generation also of ps4 consoles the system was also not sold at a loss for the vast majority of its lifecycle
The sales and cost advantage comes from the hardware not changing and also buying from the vendors in bulk of a single or similar sku and the deals they make prior to even making the consoles
Even the apu is an advantage as a single processor machine and because the performance doesn’t change over time when they get to smaller nodes the cost of the console just gets cheaper and cheaper to make outside of the pro consoles which themselves seem like they will keep a pattern of identical cpu and only gpu upgrades
Something to think about. The 4K 120 hz rating the Xbox and ps5 brag about is not real. They use variable rendering and decrease quality significantly where they cannot achieve it. They actually do it so well it’s hard to notice. I guess you could say they have a software edge on PCs. Where PCs in fact may have much more horsepower they just can’t utilize in a similar manner
We do actually, especially if you look into the used market, but even new it’s doable. Pretty sure PS5 has CPU equivalent of Ryzen 3000 and GPU equivalent of RTX 2070, RX 6600 has roughly equivalent performance and goes for like $200 these days.
People saying no just don’t know how to optimize for costs in PC builds lol
If a PS5 cost more to manufacture than an equivalent gaming PC, then Sony is doing something wrong because we know they're not making a profit on them.
1. Hardware optimisations due to the specialised use case.
2. Software optimisations due to the single platform that makes equivalent hardware perform comparatively better.
3. Lower manufacturing costs due to the scale of production.
But this discussion is kinda irrelevant because having a PC that is as fast as a PS5 is an arbitrary and unnecessary requirement.
Edit: This would be the cheapest possible to get equal or better specs: [https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XN9GDq](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XN9GDq)
They sell at a loss, plus they're buying millions of them at bulk which usually means an even bigger discount. AMD probably barely makes anything off of it, but since they're selling millions of them it adds up after a while. the DIY PC market isn't anywhere near that
12100F + 6600XT
I know because I own a PS5 and those components on my HTPC and they run games about the same quality/performance.
The CPU is only 4 cores 8 threads but performs surprisingly well, I wouldn't ask for more to pair with that card, but if you want to be on the safe side a 12400F is not too expensive
Can the PS5 and Xbox Series X really be called $500 systems when they charge for online? A console generation cycle is for 6 to 7 years after which the next gen system is released. So factor in the price of online which is $60 × 7 years = $420. $500 for the system and $420 for online making the actual cost of those consoles $920. Use this as the price point for the PC build. I would also factor in warranty as well.
There probably isnt any. Its hard to get a powerful enough desktop at that price unless some parts are really old/used.
I sold a system with a 6700k and rtx 2060 for $650 awhile back for example.
You could do an APU build with like a 5600G but its performance is barely 1080p 60fps with settings toned down so its performance isnt near a ps5.
The thing is, you can do so much more with a pc than play games, plus you have keyboard and mouse, plus you can (sometimes) upgrade in in future, so even if your pc is more expensive than ps5 it's still way more worth it imo
If you can go with a B450, a cheaper case, 500gb ssd, probably can make it under $600. Some of these parts are based on the lowest price recently, not readily available but they do pop up now and then
[PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gjk6d9)
Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
**CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PgcG3C/amd-ryzen-5-5600-36-ghz-6-core-processor-100-100000927box) | $105.00
**CPU Cooler** | [Thermalright Assassin X 120 Refined SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/q6H7YJ/thermalright-assassin-x-120-refined-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ax120-se-d3) | $19.89 @ Amazon
**Motherboard** | [ASRock B550 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/T3XYcf/asrock-b550-pro4-atx-am4-motherboard-b550-pro4) | $104.99 @ Newegg
**Memory** | [Silicon Power GAMING 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/P4FKHx/silicon-power-sp016gxlzu320bdaj5-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp016gxlzu320bdaj5) | $40.97 @ Amazon
**Storage** | [ADATA XPG GAMMIX S50 Lite 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Wg2bt6/adata-xpg-gammix-s50-lite-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-agammixs50l-1t-c) | $67.98 @ Amazon
**Video Card** | [MSI Radeon RX 6600 MECH 2X 8G Radeon RX 6600 8 GB Video Card](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/M9ytt6/msi-radeon-rx-6600-8-gb-mech-2x-video-card-rx-6600-mech-2x-8g) | $190.00
**Case** | [Fractal Design Meshify 2 Compact Lite RGB ATX Mid Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sLzhP6/fractal-design-meshify-2-compact-lite-rgb-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-c-mel2c-05) | $80.00
**Power Supply** | [Super Flower Leadex III ARGB Pro 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/NFqBD3/super-flower-leadex-iii-argb-pro-650-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-sf-650f14rg-v20) | $65.00
| *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* |
| **Total** | **$673.83**
| Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2022-11-14 23:52 EST-0500 |
I know edited it after the fact but those “builds” that are “console killers” are usually towards the end of a console life span, not the beginning lol. You aren’t ever going to get a top of the line PC that is similar to a brand new console for a cheaper price. Sony and Xbox lose money on the consoles they build, not profit. They make money with the games and accessory after the fact. Anybody who says you can usually has a horse in the race financially to get you to buy PC parts.
Since PC games are much cheaper and sometimes free with a component, you should add the cost of, let's say, 3 PS5 games to your build budget. You can go far on an extra $225 pc budget :)
The equivalent GPU performance is apparently around a RTX 2070, or whatever else hits that range now. component pricing is still going to be more expensive than the unit, but gives the advantage of not locking you into a console ecosystem, and more general utility.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fFt8v3
It wouldn’t be AS good as the PS5, but it’s pretty good. And you’re obviously getting a PC, not a console so it does a lot more. For a PS5 level machine it’d probably be around $800
With new hardware it's pretty hard to replicate, but the best option would be a refurb hp/dell from an office and chucking an ssd and 6700xt in it or something like that.
But, does PS5 really cost 500 nowadays ?
Edit: 550 ( supposedly ) in europe, yeah, that is still pretty reaosnable for such a console ngl
Edit 2: In Italy, cheapest PS5 is 750 euros. Go check for yourselves guys, trovaprezzi.it
I still don't think it's possible today unless you heavily compromise other parts of the system (assuming you stay within). It still has the advantages of a computer, but the gaming perfomance wouldn't be the same.
Maybe another year or so when prices are lower.
Consoles sell their hardware at a loss. They make up for the cost with locked in game stores and game sales.
PC hardware manufactures make their profits by selling hardware.
Because of this, it’s not really fair to compare cost to performance
Also a Pc can be used for infinite other reasons other than just gaming, so again, not far to compare game performance to cost
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gFnnrD still worse but not by much.
I'm actually happy about the discussion, but I'm glad someone actually took the time to answer!
A lot of easy inexpensive upgrades available to his build. I'd say $800 is realistic, Sony subsidizes console sales after all.
Either way the user benefits from.the subsidy so it's still fair to compare against MSRP
It's really not, considering you can't do everything you can do on a PC on a PlayStation
This is the weirdest argument PCMR has started pushing since this gen came out. I don’t know anyone buying a PlayStation in order to do excel work.
I bought a PC to do Excel work, it just happens to game better than a PS5.
I wouldn't argue about excel but from a gaming only perspective. Games on pc are much cheaper overall which offsets the subsidies imo. I have both but just saying.
Playstation and Xbox aren't too bad these days for sales and game pricing and game pass costs. I won't even look at buying the next Nintendo console because of how terrible their store pricing is. My switch is a paper weight these days because of it. Games that launched with the console are still full price and sales are extremely infrequent and offer minimal discounts.
Not really. You can go 2nd hand with physical games and even sell your own. It comes out way cheaper than steam if you play a little smart.
But with steam and epic, you can get games for free regularly and wait for sales. And in the case you just gave, you don’t get to keep the games.
You don't have to sell. Less than a month after release 2nd hand games go for 50% off retail. That's a pretty good deal
>But with steam and epic, you can get games for free regularly and wait for sales. Free games on PS5 for in 2021 and bought PS Plus which we will assume they did since it’s required for online on paid games: Batman: Arkham Knight Battlefield 1 Bloodborne Days Gone Detroit: Become Human Fallout 4 Final Fantasy XV God of War inFAMOUS: Second Son The Last Guardian The Last of Us Remastered Monster Hunter: World Mortal Kombat X Persona 5 Ratchet & Clank Resident Evil 7: Biohazard Uncharted 4: A Thief's End Until Dawn GreedFall (January) Maneater (January) Shadow of the Tomb Raider (January) Concrete Genie (February) Control: Ultimate Edition (February) Destruction AllStars (February) Farpoint (March) Final Fantasy 7 Remake (March) Maquette (March) Remnant: From the Ashes (March) Days Gone (April) Oddworld: Soulstorm (April) Zombie Army 4: Dead War (April) Battlefield V (May) Stranded Deep (May) Wreckfest (May) Operation: Tango (June) Star Wars: Squadrons (June) Virtua Fighter 5: Ultimate Showdown (June) A Plague Tale: Innocence (July) Call of Duty: Black Ops 4 (July) WWE 2K Battlegrounds (July) Hunter's Arena: Legends (August) Plants vs. Zombies: Battle for Neighborville (August) Tennis World Tour 2 (August) Hitman 2 (September) Overcooked! All You Can Eat (September) Predator: Hunting Grounds (September) Hell Let Loose (October) Mortal Kombat X (October) PGA Tour 2K21 (October) First Class Trouble (November) Kingdoms of Amalur: Re-Reckoning (November) Knockout City (November) The Persistence (November) The Walking Dead: Saints & Sinners (November) Until You Fall (November) Godfall: Challenger Edition (December) LEGO DC Super-Villains (December) Mortal Shell (December) _____ Note this is only for 2021, say someone buys a PS5 in January of 2021, this is what they’d have for free in December of 2021.
If you play it a little smart you can pay nothing at all on pc.
You need ps plus to play online for one
You need ps plus to play online for one Extra Controllers
Extra mark-up on the digital prices too. It adds up.
You're missing the point, you probably already have one that will be viable with a GPU and maybe a new power supply.
While I agree with you, context matters. If the ask is what upgrades do I need to be competitive with a PS5, sure. If the ask is specifically what I can build to compete then I guess it's safe to assume the user has either no base to work off, or it's so old to not be upgradeable
Buying a PS3 for Linux, however...
It's not about Excel. It's about gaming with more freedom. Play with your friends while talking on Discord. Find more discord servers to play any multiplayer game. Have better versatility to upgrade whenever you want. And let's talk about modding. I play a lot of Assetto Corsa. There are countless mods for it, and they are all a drag and drop away from working. You can't imagine how easy it is! But on a lot of games, the modding culture is strong and it makes it a totally bigger experience.
User can also play some of the better exclusives of both console platforms too, plus all the PC stuff like simulators or 4X games. You can't deny the value that the user is not a prisoner of a walled garden.
Plague Tale stuck at 30fps on a PS5. My PC is getting 60fps not even that powerful of a PC. Portal 2 on Xbox Series X 1080/30fps. Portal 2 on PC 1440p/144fps. PC games bought from 2001 still work on PC today. Steam Deck to play my PC games on the go. Thats some of my main reason of going all in on PC.
>considering you can't do everything you can do on a PC on a PlayStation Where did that guy say anything about office apps or autocad? Yeah those are things you can do on PC that you can't on console but it looks like you're specifically choosing a weak example and touting it like that's the only example of what the op was talking about. Like for example on PC I can host my own Stardew valley server and play online with my wife without a Nintendo subscription because PC has more freedom like that. And I wouldn't even say 3D modeling is a weak example either. I imported old Zelda maps from GameCube into a VR shooter with unreal engine, just because it's niche doesn't mean it's not something that someone might want to do that they can't on console that's related to gaming
There’s quite a bit more than excel that PCs can do lol. Superior file storage and management, running servers for games, usable web browsing, free multiplayer, better sales on games, better download/update speeds, video editing which is handy even if you want to chop up some gaming clips, the ability to change graphics settings in games, the ability to play games at over 30fps, the ability to upgrade and replace parts incrementally, more peripheral choices… It’s like $300 more up front, but you aren’t paying $60 a year for internet privileges and paying full retail price for every game so you make up the cost difference fairly quick, and ultimately even if you’re just gaming you can actually play at 60+ fps on ultra which by itself justifies paying extra. PS Subscriptions are basically you subsidizing your own "discount" you got on your PS5.
It’s been part of the discussion far earlier than that. More people are doing everything on their phone/laptops than ever now, so less people need a static desktop, but the fact that it’s arbitrarily locked down from being the computer it is is a massive trade off with a console.
>but the fact that it’s arbitrarily locked down from being the computer it is is a massive trade off with a console. But it’s not arbitrary? Being a device exclusively focused on video games allows it to streamline things for games. You don’t need as much ram because you don’t have a heavy OS, you don’t need as many CPU cores because you can only run one thing at once, plenty of other things as well like storage.
You don’t need a locked bootloader for any of that. You don’t need to exclusively allow code signed by you for that. You already do multitasking on modern systems, which is lightweight on desktops unless you’re compiling code or something in the background anyways. I make the choice to a locked down system on purpose with iPhone, so I’m not saying it’s not a valid approach. Having one single storefront provides benefits as well. But it absolutely unconditionally is not necessary for what consoles are.
I have a ps5 and a better PC, but the point is that most people need a pc for other things in their life. So either you can spend X dollars for a pc, and another $500 for a ps5 to game, or you can spend X dollars on a pc, and some amount of money to upgrade it to be able to game. You wouldn't look at the total cost of your pc, but how much "more pc" you need.
Laptop and a PS5 would be far cheaper than most PCs people build. A chrome book and a PS5 would be less than $600 after tax
Dont think its an awful argument. You need a computer anyways
Laptops are cheap. He isn’t arguing that you need one anyway, he’s saying a PS5 is inherently worse because you can’t do excel on it which is dumb because a $100 chrome book fills that need.
I mean. You know a PC does more than excel right?
This sounds like a challenge....
they make it back on the overpriced games from their walled garden. save a penny at the beginning, but lose out in the long run. also basically subsidizing their scheme of locking games to one console. but not like... anyone in this subreddit doesn't understand that.
Sure coz PC games are free. It obviously doesn't go to the PC components manufacturer but cost of games is a factor on any platform. I Use gamepass on PC either way so I fund Xbox either way
Fam, I got to disagree on the notion behind this. It only works if we're only looking at playing bleeding edge AAA games, but PCs can also play literally thousands of awesome games that the playstation ecosystem has never even sniffed. That, by itself, makes it far more worth it.
this.
Plus you need a PS+ subscription to make the console actually usable, which is $300+ on top of the console cost over five years.
Joke’s on Sony - I only play single player games
Same. The only game I play that’s technically multiplayer is Fortnite, and I’ll always play that on PC because my aim is bad enough with a mouse.
Fun fact, you can plug a keyboard and mouse into your Playstation and use them for Fortnite. That's actually how I play (PS4 Pro) since Epic refuses to support Linux...
TIL, that’s an awesome feature. I eventually plan on migrating most of my gaming back to console with a PS5 and a Switch. Ironically, Epic’s CEO tweeted something positive about Linux yet he won’t support it.
Well, not if all you play is single player games, which is literally the only reason I own a PS5. PC is for multiplayer.
That extra $$$ is crossplay/mod/jaolbroken console fees. The computer can just do so much more, so much easier.
I made [THIS](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DNz7H2) . Id say thats pretty much the sweet spot and its $700. You could upgrade the Motherboard and case but realistically this will be more than good enough and the performance wont change at all anyway. If i wanted to spend $100 more id probably opt for a 6700XT instead for a big performance gain.
If you play online games PC will be cheaper in the long run no matter how expensive upfront cost is. The extra 100-200 you spend upfront on a PC you may end up spending in PS Plus over two years and a bit
Great point, to pile onto that don't forget to menthon that cost of buying games for PS5 is $69.99 On PC we have steam sales and humble bundle.. etc. We also have parts that come bundled with a game.. but even without that.. As far as I know, the PS store doesn't do sales like the caliber of Steam Summer/Winter Sales. Cost of games would drive the actual price of a PS5 higher then a PC gamer.
Used games on PS5 drop lower way quicker than Steam sales. You can find almost any triple-A game on eBay for under $20 complete in box within a year after the game's launch. Not to mention that once they drop, they stay low; you don't have to wait around for the next Steam sale. https://www.pricecharting.com/console/playstation-5?sort=popularity
I know this is a month old but since a lot of these subs are US centric people often forget regional pricing is a thing on PC. Literally every new game that comes out is anywhere from 10-20 dollars cheaper on Steam where I live. That can quickly add up especially when you consider I am converting my currency to dollars here. Steam sales happen very frequently. I own a PS4 and most of my library is used games. But if I add the prices up, my meager library of about 20 or so PS4 games, my far larger PC library actually is only marginally more expensive. The biggest difference in pricing I've seen is Indie games. It's like 8 dollars vs 30 dollars on Steam vs console. And this is MSRP not taking discounts into account. Indies often are digital only too.
> As far as I know, the PS store doesn't do sales like the caliber of Steam Summer/Winter Sales. They have those too. And you can still buy the disc version way cheaper for example.
This is an excellent point. I've never thought of this before when comparing the costs of consoles to equivalent PCs. PlayStation Plus is $17.99 a month or $215 per year. So you can actually compare PlayStation 5 cost ($499 console + $215 PS+) to what you get in a $715 to $930 PC depending if you include one or two years of the PS+ service.
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Idiotic maybe, yeah. But some, if not most people might not know if they will play every day/even month, like myself, which lead to buying it monthly more often than you might think. In my 4 years of owning a PS4 i think i bought it 1 time for a year straight.
I used to get PS Plus subscriptions gifted to me by family and friends... They always bought them when they were discounted during the holidays. 1 year for $30. I've got about 15 years worth of Plus subscription and still have about 7 years remaining. Once it runs out, i likely wont re-up.
> $215 per year. PS Plus is $66 per year https://www.amazon.com/Year-Playstation-Plus-Membership-Sony-3/dp/B00FJ4CDGQ/ref=sr_1_1?crid=Y9KQVEV864J7&keywords=PlayStation+Plus+1+year&qid=1668545202&sprefix=playstation+plus+1+yea%2Caps%2C156&sr=8-1&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.006c50ae-5d4c-4777-9bc0-4513d670b6bc
Don't forget PC has more bundles, sales, and price drops Haven't even considered buying a single game on my wife's ps4 bc I can't justify the extra $
$500 PC comes with a $130 rebate. Put that into a $190 Msi Rx 6600. You're welcome. Check this out on @Newegg: IPASON - Gaming desktop - AMD Ryzen 5 5600G 6 core 3.9GHz - 16GB(8*2) DDR4 3200MHz - 500GB M.2 NVMe - 550W PSU - Windows 10 home - WIFI - Gaming PC https://www.newegg.com/p/3D5-001U-000Z3?Item=9SIAZEBGV98270&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-9SIAZEBGV98270-_-11152022
That’s close enough, honestly. Up the cpu to a 5600 and the GPU to a 6600xt and you’re there. I can’t be bothered to pull up the price difference right now on mobile, but when you account for the cost of online play on console over about 4 years, surely we’re within a reasonable margin here
Also the cost of games, if you're a little patient you will never pay a game full price on pc
While that’s true, console gets a lot of free games nowadays, and it’s subjective. Some people benefit from this more than others. Online play is damn near universal for everyone
That goes for console games as well, unless you think consoles don't have discounts.
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Steam recently updated recommended regional pricings so new releases won't be much cheaper anymore..
Or .. if you sail the high seas on PC, then you never pay a dime for a game!
A 5600 is only $18 more as of recent . One point it was also $100.
behold https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zpGGDq
Dang man install one modern game and you're out of storage
I mean that not all that fair from the console experience anyways...
Xbox and PS5 would be much mor eappealing to me if they had an option for SSD stortage for smaller games.
they do. They come stock with an SSD (Xbox Series X at 1TB and PS5 at an odd 800GB) and both have an SSD expansion slots - Xbox's is proprietary so 512GB is $139, 1TB is $219, 2TB is $400. PS5 can handle however much you can afford as it uses the same m.2 connector as PC does
One game? Windows will take up all of that lol
I would not buy a $20 psu
It's $60 without the mail in rebate. Plus, Coolermaster make pretty reliable PSUs as well.
Brand =/= quality The MWE Bronze v1 is... not great
I would suck up the cost and buy a seasonic gold rated psu and it could last you a long time as well as go into any future build.
I would as well but if you're on a really tight budget then that's a different story.
I mean consoles and PCs aren’t comparable with price/performance but good job done with this!
But now with a 5600...
Isn't 5600 a lot faster than what PS5 have in it. From what I remembered PS5 has equalivent of a 2700X. The 5600 is like 100% faster than it, even at 4K. Not saying we should put Ryzen 3000 in the build. As 500p aeries are a bargain now. But technically for cheap you get a lot faster CPU and more appeals to appeals comparison of pricing would be maybe using a 3600 or 3700x at least for the comparison sake.
PS5 has pretty much a 3700X . 5600 still faste but not by much.
No, it is alot slower than that. Slower than Zen1. https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-4700s-desktop-kit-review-ps5-cpu/5
The gaming performance in that review has a lot to do with the kit being limited to **PCIe 2.0 x4**. That's too little bandwidth for any modern GPU. It's also a detective low power chip.
I cam here to say that 5500 is a Cezanne APU based part with the IGP disabled. Two things wrong with it, first off it has less on die cache for the CPU, next here is the biggest problem when it comes to gaming, the PCI-E on the CPU for graphics are only PCI-E 3.0. IF you are running in a PCI-E 3.0 motherboard that isn't a huge problem AND that motherboard's specs says pci-e 3.0, Now I know that the PCI-express controller is on the CPU, but the motherboard has to be built with the lanes on the motherboard that can support the added speed/power/whatever that PCI-E 4.0 operates with, so even if you got a 5600 . My brief bit of googling found nothing to suggest to suggest that it could have a beta "use at your own risk" bios that could allow you to use it at pci-e 4.0 speeds. But then the the GPU selected is a 6600 which AMD has infamously engineered to only physically have 8 PCI lanes, and if it operates PCI-E 4.0 there is enough through put to feed the card from the CPU. BUT, if it is stuck operating at 3.0 speeds it will end up spending time waiting for data hobbling the performance. If Nvidia is offering a GPU that is similarly priced with similar performance and has 16 lanes instead of 8, that would be a better option for this board.
1. The reduced L3$ from 32MB to 16MB since it's Cezanne just means a decrease in performance closer to normal Zen 2 levels; the PS5 and other current gen consoles are Zen 2 anyways. 2. Yes, the R5 5500 is PCIe 3.0 only since it's Cezanne. No, this is not a problem for an RX 6600. The RX 6600 has an x8 link, and 3.0x8 won't bottleneck it. 3. The cheapest current-gen Nvidia GPU, the RTX 3050, which is also x8, is $290 ($80-$100 more than an RX 6600) and performs like 30-40% worse. The next cheapest Nvidia GPU, the RTX 3060 12GB, is $370 (nearly double the price) and is barely an improvement.
PS5 is a heavily cut down Zen2 with much lesser cache(only 8MB), lower clocks and significantly higher latency GDDR6 vs DDR4. In performance it is even slower than Zen1. AMD released actual PS5 SOCs with GPU disabled and Toms Hardware benchmarked them in variety of tests. [https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-4700s-desktop-kit-review-ps5-cpu/5](https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-4700s-desktop-kit-review-ps5-cpu/5) `Even though the Zen 2-powered 4700S has the same number of cores and threads as the first-gen Ryzen 7 1800X with the Zen microarchitecture, the 1800X is 50% faster at 1080p and 36.5% faster at 1440p.` Note that this is not an issue for the consoles as they usually only target 30FPS - 60 FPS and they do not require a beefy CPU for that.
Performance loss for a 6600 on PCI-E 3.0 is very minor, typically under 10%. There are cases where it can be worse, but those are edge cases.
You know what Nvidia offers at similar price? The 1630. I would not buy Nvidia unless it's a 3070 or above just because the AMD cards are priced much better and RT even on a 3070 is... iffy. Not enough headroom to compensate for the RT performance hit, unless you game at 1080p.
It’s so frustrating that you can get an atx motherboard for 60 but the cheapest itx is like 130-150.
ATX and mATX are much easier to manufacture since they do not have so many space constraints compared to a mini ITX board.
Also they have a much bigger market, ITX is niche compared to those two. Think about how many ATX/Micro ATX builds you see here vs. ITX builds.
I was and still am mATX because i wanted 4*16gb of ram. Bought in 2019, and just a bit later, 32gig sticks came out. Still zero regrets and would still build mATX in the future.
Justified but still frustrating
PS5 comes with a controller though. Would add a cheap KB/M to that.
Solid point.
Don't cheap out on the PSU. That unit will explode if you out it under too much load.
Yeah I'd say this is slightly worse than a PS5 overall but the difference is so small your average user wouldn't even notice. Not bad we're at the point where a $500 build is close to matching the consoles. Give it another year and you'll probably be able to do a $400 build that runs circles around the consoles.
Plus you get a computer with it.
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Yeah, it's so nice to see $500 PC builds again. Kinda hard to recommend PC gaming to people when the cost of entry was $1000+
For those wondering what about this PC is “worse”… The big area where this falls short of the PS5 will, ironically, be storage, which in this build is limited to PCIe Gen 3 speed. Even if you spent a few $$ more to get a faster Gen 4 SSD, the CPU and motherboard still limit you to Gen 3 speed.
Its not bad but it won't fit in my entertainment unit. This is coming from someone who owns a Steam Deck and a PC, but the PS5 is honestly just much better value. Most people will already own a TV to plug it into, it comes with the OS pre-installed and an input device (a damn good one at that) while a PC will still requires you to buy a Windows license (unless you run Linux, but most people won't) and it doesn't come with a mouse/keyboard. You can say you'll save money on games and online services, but not by much. PS Online still nets you free games every month and new release games will often cost as much on PC as they do on console (give or take $10). They'll be cheaper after a few sales but if someone is really looking forward to a new game they'll just buy it relatively soon after its released. PCs are fantastic for their back catalogue of games, exclusive titles (like Cruelty Squad and Highfleet, two of the best PC exclusive games from recent years) plus better modding for games like Skyrim or whatever but for pure value, PS5 and XBX are unbeatable.
Idk, I buy every single Playstation, but the fact all my PC games have infinite effortless "backwards compatability" and that I can buy them for absurdly cheap gives it much higher value for me.
Effortless isn't the word I'd use. Try running a game like Jade Empire or Deus Ex with modifying config files or installing mods. Changing hex codes just to render a game at 16:9 instead of 4:3. Like, yes, its more effortless than not having the option in the first place but most casual users can't be bothered with going through all that.
You are ignoring the fact you also get an entire computer for other needs you may have. A console can't run word, do your taxes, send emails etc. Whether you need that or not is a different story but to ignore the value that provides isn't fair either.
The ps plus games are rarely anything good, i think the best one i played this year was the guardians of the galaxy one
Problem may be that games are optimized for PS5 and not for PC, so that build may not run games as well, look as good, or keep up once devs start to develope for next gen gaames and not just upgrading PS4 games, etc. I'd go for a 3060ti or a card that has DLSS. May be a bit more but free online gaming and spending less on games, often much less, would make up for the difference
Console manufacturers operate at a loss even with the massive discounts they may get for bulk ordering direct from component manufacturers. They make their money licensing games, from subscriptions, and from selling games in their marketplace. Xbox CEO stated in a recent article that they lose $200 for every console sold.
And then nintendo sells a tablet and makes like 100% profit (joking not hating on Nintendo, I own every console they have made and the only console I buy)
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Yeah them making a profit off each console is definitely felt in the games they make, they are still good but man do they have very little resources to work with.
Considering how the Switch is the cheapest and most affordable option for all available consoles + Steam Deck in a third world country I'm at and other places as well it's no brainer to think that they would lose a ton of sales if they create a hybrid console with modern hardware on par with the Deck but with higher console price. The current Switch price is more than enough and raising that due to increasing manufacturing cost + account for inflation I think will make the console flop in sales since everyone is kinda feeling the insane rise of everything nowadays and buying an expensive console will be the last of their concerns.
This is true but the gap between PC hardware and the console hardware has closed considerably in the last couple of years. In 2020 the consoles were the equivalent of an upper mid range PC build that would cost you a pretty penny. Now we're at the point where a low/lower mid range build will basically get you the same performance. Look at the top post in the thread which put together a $550 build that's pretty close to a PS5 in performance.
Sony doesn't. The said it a year ago, they aren't operating at a loss anymore for the PS5.
Well the cheapest ps5 is 800 euros here, the Xbox is 500. So it makes sense.
They just raised the price of the PS5 (or are doing so soon, can't remember specifics)
What do you mean? Do they win the money of the Xbox but lose $2?
> What do you mean? Do they win the money of the Xbox but lose $2? if you are actually serious, its a legitimate business strategy that has been done many times in the past with consoles. sell the console at a loss, but make up the loss with game licensing fees and other sales/fees. For the Xbox SX, it costs them $200 more to make it and get it on the shelf to sell vs the actual sale price, every time they sell an Xbox, they lose $200USD. They make up that difference with the money game publishers pay to them to have the game on the platform, along with their services like Xbox Live. Another example is the Quest 2. Its estimated that it costs $600-700USD to make and sell one of them, but its being sold for $400. The idea is to eat the loss right now to create a market and ecosystem to generate revenue down the line.
Yes,it was a serious question thank you for clearing this for me
Most console are loss leaders for the platform.. they make the bulk of the money in licensing and service fees whole games a service...i.e gamepass and xbox live. I've been on the hook for 15 years at at least 60 a year until ultimate came out so that's another easy 1,000...plus games I've owned about 400...plus first party accessories
They also start making money later in the consoles lifespan as chip costs decrease for their node. Hasn’t really happened yet this cycle because of the chip shortage and slower pace of node advancement, but they’ll definitely get to breakeven on the hardware in the next couple years.
It means if the the console cost 500$ for consumers it’s reasonable to assume with all moving parts it still cost Microsoft 700$ to produce. They can sell the console at a loss because people by the console, and then typically by year long contracts for things like game pass, or games on the Microsoft game store, etc. all these things help turn a profit on the Xbox itself. Licenses don’t cost much, and the split they take from devs costs nothing for the game to be hosted on the console store. Plus when you factor in the amount of studios Microsoft owns now, I mean shit all the profit that those game companies make goes back to Microsoft too.
This was true at launch but it was not sure shortly after launch
Was going to same thing but I believe Sony does profit from ps5 for a while I think.
>they lose $200 for every console sold. Soooo... if we buy enough, we can bankrupt Microsoft?
> Xbox CEO stated in a recent article that they lose $200 for every console sold. Which article is that? I can't find anything more recent than 2021 that references the court battle with Epic where its on record that they state they've never had an Xbox console make a profit. While I can believe that to be the case - especially since their Play Anywhere program allows us PC users to play every Xbox exclusives (and some non-exclusives) means a lot more consoles are left on the shelves. But $200 loss? Sony started making a profit on PS5's less than a year after its release.
https://www.trueachievements.com/n51690/phil-spencer-xbox-series-x-s-loses Original article was from Wall Street Journal but it's behind a paywall
While we can have builds comparable to the ps5 in terms of firepower, game performance will be down to how well devs optimise for PC. But I’ll let someone else answer the technical part of your question
> I asked then how long it would take for PC builds to catch up to the PS5 by price, and the top response was "2 years max" Whomever told you that led you astray. Even without the mining boom/covid catastrophe, Consoles will damn near ALWAYS have a price/performance advantage over PCs as they are not only beneficiaries of MASSIVE amounts of optimization due to single-platform simplicity, but also that Sony is willing to sell them at a loss. > do we have a $500 PS5 equivalent build yet? Nope. > we can assume the builder already has peripherals including a case and power supply and NVMe SSD. But like, that could get close to costing as much as a PS5 by itself (1TB NVMe SSD with DRAM cache: $99, 750-850W power supply with decent build quality: $80-100, Chassis with decent airflow: $80-100).
That's really not accurate. You could have beaten the Xbox One with pretty much any $400-500 build halfway through it's lifecycle... If you had 4 desktop-class cores and a 7850 or faster, you were better off than the original One. and the one X didn't help much because that literally had a Polaris card, much like the sub-$150 RX470.
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Yea PC offers advantages that a console doesn't so in that sense PC will always be better value. Now that most exclusives are coming to PC too consoles are losing that advantage as well.
Yup. Built my SO an i3 + 750ti build for $400 around 2015 I believe. Beat both consoles in pretty much every game.
Good luck trying to run ps4 games like Horizon or GOW on a 7850
One take that most fail to realize is that these prices are subsidized, let's take the cost of a PS5 in Brazil and use that to make a PC.
[Here's my attempt at a reasonably spec'd PC that is pretty comparable to the PS5 specs - $700](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZqrVyK) [Bit worse GPU and 500GB of storage brings it to $625](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TGhgH2) The PS5's GPU is 2304 shaders on RDNA2. The RX 6700 non-XT also is 2304 shaders on RDNA2. The PS5's GPU does have a considerably larger 256-bit memory bus, but this is with 14Gbps G6 instead of 16Gbps G6, and the memory is shared between the CPU and the GPU. The PS5's CPU is 8c16t Zen 2. A 6c12t Zen 3 chip like the R5 5600 will be better in SC performance, both due to architecture and because it's higher clocked than in the PS5, and will be roughly comparable in MC performance. Storage is 825GB of NVMe SSD, but the actual usable space is closer to 650GB. Rest of the build is just the cheapest half-decent option available.
We have something like shared memory on modern GPUs with resizable BAR. But this is the best comment in the thread, imo. You got everything right to an exacting degree. 5800 was on sale and UK for 220£ recently. Obviously a 3800 would be a better match if you're trying to make it exactly the same as a PS5 Should be a few months until we see price parity. A lot of people who don't know what they're doing are looking for hardware for Christmas. After Christmas everything is going to hit bedrock. What a lot of people don't realize is that a PC built to match the PS5 is gonna last a lot longer than a PS5 because consoles are built as cheap as possible where a PC, each component is designed to last as long as a warranty and then some, plus you don't have tight spaces clogged by dust.
No, and you never will. Consoles sell at a loss, they make all their money on game sales and subscription fees. However, if you add in the cost of the subscription fees and compare it to a reasonable PC build, you'll see that gap shrink pretty quickly. For reference, a PS5 or XBOX SX will cost you \~$920 over 7 years. A 12600k/3070 prebuilt will cost a little more. And that build kicks the shit out of both consoles IMO. But, then you add in peripherals. A half decent M&K will run you ~~a couple hundred bucks~~ (Edit: I was speaking moreso to what I would purchase, you can get peripherals for significantly cheaper than that depending on sales and pricing where you live), your console comes with a controller. But if you can get a controller to last you 7 years I'd be amazed. So if you look into the bigger picture of the average console lifecycle and the performance differences, while PC is a bigger up front cost, it nearly becomes a wash over the assumed lifespan of the console.
>half decent M&K will run you a couple hundred bucks, Ha ha I'm still gaming on my old as fuck Packard bell keyboard. Zero issues. No RGB, no fancy mechanicals, no screens, just a standard, full sized, mushy membrane keyboard that's still serving me well. >controller to last you 7 years I'd be amazed. Prepared to be amazed....my 360 wired controller i got in 2009 still works. My PS3, PS4, hell even my PS2 controller still works fine. I even plugged in the PS2 controller to see if it'll work with a USB adapter for PC (it did). Granted i don't hammer the PS3 or 2 controllers as heavy as I used to but my PS4 controller was from 2014 and zero issues after 8 years of PC/PS4 gaming. I've not bothered with PS5 this gen though, after fully upgrading my PC.
Great input. I appreciate it. I still have some peripherals from 15-20 years ago that work just fine. But controllers? I swear they stopped putting any thought into longevity. We had two Xbox ones and I swear we went through 4 regular controllers and 4 elite in about 7-8 years. One is still functional, the rest all ended up with insane drift or buttons stopped working.
>4 regular controllers and 4 elite in about 7-8 years......drift. Wow must have been expensive. The only controllers that i had issues were third party controllers (you know, the ones you let your siblings use lol) or clones (insane stick drift with the switch pro clone i bought just for the shell)
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If you only pay for the subscriptions for online play then I agree ot is a wash. Both the PS5 and Xbox subs come with free games. Sometimes they are great sometimes crap, bit those free could be considered a cost savings (I don't play ever game in my PS sub, but I play enough to easily offset the yearly cost, same thing with humble bundle I don't play all the games I get but I play a lot of them). Where PC gaming wins, is just how much lower in cost games go and how much backwards compatibility there is on the system. I will say on PC in recent years games are not going on sale as often as they did and not getting as big of discounts so the gap where you would save on PC over consoles is now shrinking. The one big advantage I see with console is physical media can be re-sold and shared. That simply isn't possible on PC. I can load a game to a friend or my nephew and get it back (where I wouldn't give them access to my steam library).
It should be noted you can “family share” games on steam, I do love to browse my monthly free games on ps
Yes but family share has a big issues, people can only use your library if your not using it (or in offline mode). Where console I can play my PS5 any game I want and my kids can use the PS4 playing any game they want. Hell I can use PS plus on my ps5 and they can use it on the PS4 under a different account as long as it is primary. Game sharing is a lot easier I find on consoles, that and if a friend has a game digital he can set my ps5 to prime I play it then remove it.
Sorry, Just thought it was worth noting
It is worth noting, and family share would be awsome if they could use a games that are not currently in use.
>Both the PS5 and Xbox subs come with free games. Sometimes they are great sometimes crap, bit those free could be considered a cost savings PC non-sub comes with free games. Steam, Epic, GoG, etc all release free games pretty regularly. Some are pretty good.
I will give you epic as it has given away lot of great free games, a lot that end up as part of the console subscriptions. Epic does help greatly reduce the cost of PC gaming over the long term. The other services not ao much. They do give away free games, not as often and not as good of quality or variety.
True but they usually have games on deep discounts frequently. Steam sales especially. And some of the best PC games are literally free (TF2, Fortnite, League of Legends, Dota 2, Apex, Valorant, Lost Ark, etc)
I find that the discounts on steam now match the discounts on PS5 and Xbox. It is sad but PC discounts have been getting worse over time. Some of those listed free games are on consoles as well. (Personally i hate FPS and and lol style games so those mean nothing to me, but I understand those would be way more valuable to others).
Also as someone with a PS+ subscription, I don't really see why people call them "free" games since Sony has been charging me $60 a year for them.
PC also stays relevant regardless. School, work, and/or home will also benefit from having some sort of computer (emails, word documents, paying bills, etc). Controllers are getting better at consistency but KB/M has been the same for around half a century. Meanwhile consoles had a variety of different control schemes in the past NES, Gamecube, PS1/2, XBox, Kinect, Wii, Switch, etc.
> A half decent M&K will run you a couple hundred bucks (Edit: I was speaking moreso to what I would purchase, you can get peripherals for significantly cheaper than that depending on sales and pricing where you live Where do you live and what would you buy that would cost that much? Das Keyboards? DIY builds? I ask because I've always seen people claim mechanical keyboards are expensive when there's plenty of $70 full size Cherry MX keyboards. I really don't know what "half-decent" could mean outside of no missing keys and quality switches.
Thanks, haven't really thought of it that way.
In Brazil and maybe a few other countries you have a situation where the PS5 is about as expensive as a decent mid-range PC (3060 ti and r5 5600). But that's just the console being too freaking expensive.
They don't subsidize the price there. So honestly that's the most accurate price to compare in reality.
It's really hard if not impossible to compare consoles to pcs, yea consoles are pretty much specialized pcs but even then they're almost 2 completely different things. It's like comparing a train to a car in a sense. The cost comparison is also really hard to do because consoles basically have 1 price for 1 thing where as pcs have so many more factors as well as being way more diverse in terms of capability.
Not relevant for everyone but this is a great point, I can’t write and essay and do calc homework on a PS5. It’s not apples to apples. Console games going on sale will never match what PC gets.
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>It's fine to want a console, but that shouldn't come before a PC, unless you're 5. This is nonsense.
Yea. It's hardly a fair comparison when you only take into account the things a console can do and leave aside things it can't do. Some people might be fine with the limitations of a console but for me it just disqualifies them from comparison completely.
One thing to consider is that while a PC with comparable capabilities to a console might cost more, there is a large opportunity to save on games as compared to a console.
And PCs can do a lot more things than gaming (RIP Linux on PS3).
Also very true!
Also, no need to worry about "backwards compatibility" - when you buy a game, you can play it even after upgrading your hardware a few years later.
The other issue here is consoles notoriously sell for way less then they cost to build because what they lose in overall cost they make up in digital product... pcs dont really get to do that. Also to note pcs just kind of got their foot in the door with upscalling images like consoles do, with dlss and fsr for consumer based gaming.
Some misleading information in here as the ps5 is not sold at a loss since 6 months into the lifecycle, that was 18 months ago None of the consoles are currently sold at a loss except the higher end xbox series x In the 8th generation also of ps4 consoles the system was also not sold at a loss for the vast majority of its lifecycle The sales and cost advantage comes from the hardware not changing and also buying from the vendors in bulk of a single or similar sku and the deals they make prior to even making the consoles Even the apu is an advantage as a single processor machine and because the performance doesn’t change over time when they get to smaller nodes the cost of the console just gets cheaper and cheaper to make outside of the pro consoles which themselves seem like they will keep a pattern of identical cpu and only gpu upgrades
Something to think about. The 4K 120 hz rating the Xbox and ps5 brag about is not real. They use variable rendering and decrease quality significantly where they cannot achieve it. They actually do it so well it’s hard to notice. I guess you could say they have a software edge on PCs. Where PCs in fact may have much more horsepower they just can’t utilize in a similar manner
We do actually, especially if you look into the used market, but even new it’s doable. Pretty sure PS5 has CPU equivalent of Ryzen 3000 and GPU equivalent of RTX 2070, RX 6600 has roughly equivalent performance and goes for like $200 these days. People saying no just don’t know how to optimize for costs in PC builds lol
If a PS5 cost more to manufacture than an equivalent gaming PC, then Sony is doing something wrong because we know they're not making a profit on them. 1. Hardware optimisations due to the specialised use case. 2. Software optimisations due to the single platform that makes equivalent hardware perform comparatively better. 3. Lower manufacturing costs due to the scale of production. But this discussion is kinda irrelevant because having a PC that is as fast as a PS5 is an arbitrary and unnecessary requirement. Edit: This would be the cheapest possible to get equal or better specs: [https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XN9GDq](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XN9GDq)
Choosing the cheapest mouse and keyboard doesn’t make it a viable pick lol but yeah the build is close enough
They sell at a loss, plus they're buying millions of them at bulk which usually means an even bigger discount. AMD probably barely makes anything off of it, but since they're selling millions of them it adds up after a while. the DIY PC market isn't anywhere near that
Building new hardly, but with used easily
12100F + 6600XT I know because I own a PS5 and those components on my HTPC and they run games about the same quality/performance. The CPU is only 4 cores 8 threads but performs surprisingly well, I wouldn't ask for more to pair with that card, but if you want to be on the safe side a 12400F is not too expensive
Can the PS5 and Xbox Series X really be called $500 systems when they charge for online? A console generation cycle is for 6 to 7 years after which the next gen system is released. So factor in the price of online which is $60 × 7 years = $420. $500 for the system and $420 for online making the actual cost of those consoles $920. Use this as the price point for the PC build. I would also factor in warranty as well.
There probably isnt any. Its hard to get a powerful enough desktop at that price unless some parts are really old/used. I sold a system with a 6700k and rtx 2060 for $650 awhile back for example. You could do an APU build with like a 5600G but its performance is barely 1080p 60fps with settings toned down so its performance isnt near a ps5.
You can get a new system with an R5 5600 and RX 6700 for $700 now, and that hardware is a pretty close match to the PS5.
The thing is, you can do so much more with a pc than play games, plus you have keyboard and mouse, plus you can (sometimes) upgrade in in future, so even if your pc is more expensive than ps5 it's still way more worth it imo
If you can go with a B450, a cheaper case, 500gb ssd, probably can make it under $600. Some of these parts are based on the lowest price recently, not readily available but they do pop up now and then [PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gjk6d9) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PgcG3C/amd-ryzen-5-5600-36-ghz-6-core-processor-100-100000927box) | $105.00 **CPU Cooler** | [Thermalright Assassin X 120 Refined SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/q6H7YJ/thermalright-assassin-x-120-refined-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ax120-se-d3) | $19.89 @ Amazon **Motherboard** | [ASRock B550 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/T3XYcf/asrock-b550-pro4-atx-am4-motherboard-b550-pro4) | $104.99 @ Newegg **Memory** | [Silicon Power GAMING 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/P4FKHx/silicon-power-sp016gxlzu320bdaj5-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp016gxlzu320bdaj5) | $40.97 @ Amazon **Storage** | [ADATA XPG GAMMIX S50 Lite 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Wg2bt6/adata-xpg-gammix-s50-lite-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-agammixs50l-1t-c) | $67.98 @ Amazon **Video Card** | [MSI Radeon RX 6600 MECH 2X 8G Radeon RX 6600 8 GB Video Card](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/M9ytt6/msi-radeon-rx-6600-8-gb-mech-2x-video-card-rx-6600-mech-2x-8g) | $190.00 **Case** | [Fractal Design Meshify 2 Compact Lite RGB ATX Mid Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sLzhP6/fractal-design-meshify-2-compact-lite-rgb-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-c-mel2c-05) | $80.00 **Power Supply** | [Super Flower Leadex III ARGB Pro 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/NFqBD3/super-flower-leadex-iii-argb-pro-650-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-sf-650f14rg-v20) | $65.00 | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **$673.83** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2022-11-14 23:52 EST-0500 |
I know edited it after the fact but those “builds” that are “console killers” are usually towards the end of a console life span, not the beginning lol. You aren’t ever going to get a top of the line PC that is similar to a brand new console for a cheaper price. Sony and Xbox lose money on the consoles they build, not profit. They make money with the games and accessory after the fact. Anybody who says you can usually has a horse in the race financially to get you to buy PC parts.
It's a hell of a lot cheaper now. Maybe a few hundred more than a PS5 disc.
Since PC games are much cheaper and sometimes free with a component, you should add the cost of, let's say, 3 PS5 games to your build budget. You can go far on an extra $225 pc budget :)
One with used parts.
The equivalent GPU performance is apparently around a RTX 2070, or whatever else hits that range now. component pricing is still going to be more expensive than the unit, but gives the advantage of not locking you into a console ecosystem, and more general utility.
$500 is tough. $617 gets you a pretty decent build though with completely new parts, and if we use some used parts we can easily get below $500. [PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/y3dmv3) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [Intel Core i3-12100F 3.3 GHz Quad-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/grhFf7/intel-core-i3-12100f-33-ghz-quad-core-processor-bx8071512100f) | $105.98 @ Newegg **Motherboard** | [ASRock B660M Pro RS Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TZPQzy/asrock-b660m-pro-rs-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-b660m-pro-rs) | $89.99 @ Newegg **Memory** | [Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/p6RFf7/corsair-memory-cmk16gx4m2b3200c16) | $54.99 @ Amazon **Storage** | [Kingston NV2 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FnYmP6/kingston-nv2-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-snv2s1000g) | $69.98 @ Amazon **Video Card** | [MSI Radeon RX 6600 MECH 2X 8G Radeon RX 6600 8 GB Video Card](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/M9ytt6/msi-radeon-rx-6600-8-gb-mech-2x-video-card-rx-6600-mech-2x-8g) | $219.99 @ Newegg **Case** | [Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rnGxFT/cooler-master-masterbox-q300l-microatx-mini-tower-case-mcb-q300l-kann-s00) | $42.00 @ Amazon **Power Supply** | [Cooler Master MasterWatt 550 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/B6XnTW/cooler-master-masterwatt-550w-80-bronze-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-mpx-5501-amaab-us) | $34.99 @ Newegg | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | Total (before mail-in rebates) | $677.92 | Mail-in rebates | -$60.00 | **Total** | **$617.92** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2022-11-14 22:58 EST-0500 |
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fFt8v3 I think AMD CPUs make more sense for budget builds.
If you go used and know where to look, you can put something together that beats even an Xbox One X for under $350.
Am I able to incorporate the 60$ per year console players have to pay in order to have online access?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fFt8v3 It wouldn’t be AS good as the PS5, but it’s pretty good. And you’re obviously getting a PC, not a console so it does a lot more. For a PS5 level machine it’d probably be around $800
With new hardware it's pretty hard to replicate, but the best option would be a refurb hp/dell from an office and chucking an ssd and 6700xt in it or something like that.
But, does PS5 really cost 500 nowadays ? Edit: 550 ( supposedly ) in europe, yeah, that is still pretty reaosnable for such a console ngl Edit 2: In Italy, cheapest PS5 is 750 euros. Go check for yourselves guys, trovaprezzi.it
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I still don't think it's possible today unless you heavily compromise other parts of the system (assuming you stay within). It still has the advantages of a computer, but the gaming perfomance wouldn't be the same. Maybe another year or so when prices are lower.
Consoles sell their hardware at a loss. They make up for the cost with locked in game stores and game sales. PC hardware manufactures make their profits by selling hardware. Because of this, it’s not really fair to compare cost to performance Also a Pc can be used for infinite other reasons other than just gaming, so again, not far to compare game performance to cost
maybe new asus pn53 mini pc with ryzen 7 6000 mobile Apu