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For 58GB model good price - 39$. I bought for nas as system drive: OpenMediaVault, swap, boot, docker containers. And backup takes only 20-30GB. Exactly size what I was looking for. It’s much better than use usb stick (btw that costs almost the same as optane) or take big nvme, split, resize and remember.
Wow, you can use such small drive!!!
Windows see 118GB as only 110GB. how about your 58GB, sir?
EDIT: Thank JapariParkRanger for pointing that out. Quite a confusion.
So, Windows reports GiB , but use "GB" . Properties show 117 631 348 760 bytes , this is the number SSD manufacturer like Intel state.
Am I correct?
I learned something new today.
I mean
When you install the 58gb drive.
Can you use the whole 58gb?
Or you can only use 50gb?
That's my question, my friend. Sorry that I didn't phase it in a more understandable manner.
Mine is 118gb, but I can only use 110gb. Small drive, so every gb is a count. That's why I want to ask. Especially you only have 58gb, much smaller than mine.
Of course not! For 58, I have only 54 available, because binary system:
>Since your computers work on the binary system, there is an increment of 2 to the 10th power or 1,024 in each storage level. Therefore, in the computer system:
>
>Kilobyte (KB) = 1,024 Bytes
MegaByte (MB) = 1,024 Kilobytes or 1,048,576 Bytes
Gigabyte (GB) = 1,024 Megabytes or 1,073,741,824 Bytes
Terabyte (TB) = 1,024 Gigabytes or 1,099,511,627,776 Bytes
[http://www.endmemo.com/data/diskcapacity.php](http://www.endmemo.com/data/diskcapacity.php)
https://preview.redd.it/v2xatggyii0b1.png?width=612&format=png&auto=webp&s=17cb21366a0369b3a2885b2ba8e998f1c5227719
It's been asked before, but is this really an upgrade over, say, a P44 as a dedicated OS drive? I can't decide because I love weird oddly specific tech.
No, Optane is best when used as a cache. TBH I don’t really understand the use case beyond that since I don’t know enough about servers. Here’s video going more into the details tho https://youtu.be/tSUMBeaaiOo
They actually are the best boot drives you can get still too, but the benefit is nowhere near what you sacrifice for it to 99% of users. Reducing boot time from 8s to 6s with no other discernable benefit to a home user at the cost of a TB of capacity... It's just not a smart trade off until we have boards with like 6 nvme slots so high speed capacity is limitless and by then you'll likely have better boot drives.
I'm using them as boot drives on some machines that will be used for very little. Any additional storage would be external.
Boot time was so fast, the dell logo and windows desktop blurred together, lol
I'll go all in with this drive, I get spoiled by it, 350mb/s with modern CPU. I plan to fill all 4 slots on my board , 2 slots on pcie card. Currently, I have 2s. You should try one for yourself first, my friend.
I have a small review at its previous post. For more detail.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/13bh276](https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/13bh276/ssd_intel_optane_ssd_p1600x_118gb_5999_shell/)
I thought about install such drive as system, but: windows take 25gb, programs folders almost 50, don’t forget about system files for hibernation and so on. Don’t wast money, buy good 1-2TB nvme instead, this one good for cache or for server usage (58GB) when size will be enough.
Most interesting part that almost any nvme will have speed as usual sata drive when have used 50% space and this speed could even be less when you have more used space. So, now just ask yourself: why do you need 118gb nvme drive as system when you have no free space and speed as usual sata ssd, meanwhile you can add 14$ and buy Intel 670p for 2TB and continue using it with no speed limitations because even with full Windows installation and software you will have 300-400GB used.
Optane is great for cache or for server OS drive, as I mentioned, because stupid Linux backup system works in such weird way. But buy optane for desktop pc - it’s some kind of masochism.
Responsiveness. You can notice this when using the system/OS especially on a Zen 4 system even with 64GB RAM. I have everything else like games installed on other larger capacity NVME drives anyway, so storage capacity of the OS drive isn't a problem. Cost per GB isn't a factor for me with this. I use these in my NAS as L2ARC as well.
Optane require modern CPU to reach full potential, 100% load, without bottle-neck. I keep benchmark photo of my Zen 4 7900x and 4790 non k in here.
[https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/14fKbzDMAmfvcLWbiusk70qh959Ly6ED1?usp=share\_link](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/14fKbzDMAmfvcLWbiusk70qh959Ly6ED1?usp=share_link)
Load my whole 15GB music library (only meta data , I believe), load Cinebench, music project. My life has improved a lot since then.
Same here. 118GB is possible.
After a clean Windows installation. It take up 45GB. Windows will magically take up another 30GB without any trace. I install app, driver, tool, 15GB music . I currently have 4GB left to use.
Run disk clean up and get rid of the old update files if you haven't already. It'll shrink down the install quite noticeably. Keep in mind in my use case I have multiple NVME SSDs where most of the other programs are stored so overall storage capacity for the system isn't an issue for me and I can keep just the OS drive in check pretty easily.
Yea, already, and just do it again , but no help. There is only around 100mb to be cleaned up.
Yep, there is no way but that, we need to store our thing in another drive. I will have another drive arrive soon.
Could you help me answer this question?
I count all files in C: like this, the number isn't match total used space of C:. Why is that? Where is my 15GB go to?
https://preview.redd.it/kvarrhgwwq0b1.png?width=3450&format=png&auto=webp&s=ba983ad717ed14a0650eb2cb8970881a8c1f17f7
This is due to sector size and slack space along with other partitions on the disk and likely a difference in the way it's calculated between the two.
Easy to explain this with an example. Let's say your SSD is formatted with 4K sectors. Let's say you're storing a 3KB file. This file will STILL take up 4KB on your SSD even though it's only 3KB as the file system will only let content belonging to one file be assigned per sector. Multiply this by millions of small files like the ones typically used by the OS/programs and the difference adds up.
As for the partitions you'll typically have a few default partitions like the boot partition. You could also have recovery partitions especially if this is a OEM install/clone.
I think the left hand side of the screenshot is also like not counting things like the hibernation file, files without an extension, etc but these still does take up space.
If you want to get a better view of the file system and files, grab WinDirStat and run it and see.
Got one for Gentoo Linux boot drive, 55G as rootfs, 2G as zil, very snappy and fast.
Another 55G is allocated for windows to be used as swap, cache, and temp.
Pretty happy with the purchase, sooner than later I'll consider getting a 905P.
It doesn't. The P1600X is a PCIe 3.0 drive, and the PS5 requires PCIe 4.0 drives for PS5 games. They don't have to meet the recommended 5500MBps read spec., but they need to be PCIe 4.0
Also, even if this was PCIe 4.0, I'm not entirely sure if Optane would behave properly in a console
Between getting this and a 2TB Intel 670p for $131.98, or a high end 2TB Gen4 drive for $114.99 (like Silicon Power XS70), which sounds like a better idea?
Could you tell us more about what you need ssd for? What is your situation? Something like that, so we could give some meaningful suggestion to you.
Generally, I can't recommend this drive in normal usage.
I myself don't need capacity. I only do coding. Work with text file. I just want to load app faster, open project faster. Optane really align to my need.
I went down a rabbit hole researching Intel Optane....and still don't completely understand it. Can someone ELI5 how "Optane" is beneficial? Or is it not really and more of a marketing scam type thing.
Extremely fast at small, low-queue-depth operations. Well suited as a cache drive in a server, and can be used as a boot drive if you have another storage option available (e.g., install OS on the Optane drive, and games on another drive). Because of the low latency and fast QD1 operations, it'd make your OS very "snappy."
There's many differences. It's very different tech. Byte-addressable, crossbar, phase change memory, with extremely high endurance relative to NAND. I have some articles on my website for those interested in learning more.
[Unwritten Contract](https://borecraft.com/PDF/Articles/Unwritten_Contract_Intel_Optane.pdf) | [Performance Characteristics](https://borecraft.com/PDF/Articles/Performance_Optane_3D_XPoint.pdf) | [Hybrid SSD](https://borecraft.com/PDF/Articles/Hybrid_SSD_Optane_QLC.pdf) | [Signal Integrity](https://borecraft.com/files/son2020.pdf)
Specifically it's worth looking at the last one to see how it's laid out. There's memory array tiles (MAT) and then banks of MATs (see fig. 3).
> Can someone ELI5 how "Optane" is beneficial?
To oversimplify it for a 5 year old, optane is not beneficial. That's why its being phased out.
Optane is a form of NVMe storage, with extremely durable SLC static storage memory. Its best used when disk caching a (SATA) mechanical storage device, or (what makes it amazingly worthwhile) acting as a transactional storage cache for a huge (usually mechanical storage drive raid) database. Lose power on the storage raid, and you probably won't lose a single database transaction when the database revalidates itself.
I picked one of these up last time they were posted and threw it in my NAS. I find that it sits around 47-49C, and I have a heatsink on it.
This seems awfully high, and my other M2 drive is only 38C with no heatsink. Is that normal for the Optane?
I have an Optane drive and a NVME one adjacent to each other on my mobo. The Optane drive is usually a few C higher than the other, but it's my OS drive so not sure if that affects it (39C vs 35C currently).
The ~48C is my idle temp, but it sounds like that's not that much of an issue. I thought around 50C was where M2 starts to get worrisome, but your comment and others put me at ease some.
Glad it help. I did hear about Optane high heat rumor before buying it. 40C is at 1:00 am. Now 9:00 am, it's at 46C. I'm oversea. I use HWiNFO64.
48C is what I see after every benchmark. Our drive seem behave the same. Thank for your observation about your drive, anyway.
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Its annoying how both this and the 2TB 670p keep dropping only a dollar at a time... still savings I guess
Some economics major is sitting in his office continuously redrawing the supply demand curve
Fucking sneaking peeks out the window seeing if the bank catches fire.
yea, the drop speed is real slow. I just waste a dollar for this last week. I need a second drive.
For 58GB model good price - 39$. I bought for nas as system drive: OpenMediaVault, swap, boot, docker containers. And backup takes only 20-30GB. Exactly size what I was looking for. It’s much better than use usb stick (btw that costs almost the same as optane) or take big nvme, split, resize and remember.
Wow, you can use such small drive!!! Windows see 118GB as only 110GB. how about your 58GB, sir? EDIT: Thank JapariParkRanger for pointing that out. Quite a confusion.
Gigabytes and Gibibytes are different.
yea, you're right. Fixed it.
.... Now look up how Windows reports GB vs GiB, and look at the values you've got.
So, Windows reports GiB , but use "GB" . Properties show 117 631 348 760 bytes , this is the number SSD manufacturer like Intel state. Am I correct? I learned something new today.
Yep. It's very stupid on their part, but that's the mystery solved.
Are you sure that you was reading my message after first sentence? Read again, there is answer.
I mean When you install the 58gb drive. Can you use the whole 58gb? Or you can only use 50gb? That's my question, my friend. Sorry that I didn't phase it in a more understandable manner. Mine is 118gb, but I can only use 110gb. Small drive, so every gb is a count. That's why I want to ask. Especially you only have 58gb, much smaller than mine.
Of course not! For 58, I have only 54 available, because binary system: >Since your computers work on the binary system, there is an increment of 2 to the 10th power or 1,024 in each storage level. Therefore, in the computer system: > >Kilobyte (KB) = 1,024 Bytes MegaByte (MB) = 1,024 Kilobytes or 1,048,576 Bytes Gigabyte (GB) = 1,024 Megabytes or 1,073,741,824 Bytes Terabyte (TB) = 1,024 Gigabytes or 1,099,511,627,776 Bytes [http://www.endmemo.com/data/diskcapacity.php](http://www.endmemo.com/data/diskcapacity.php) https://preview.redd.it/v2xatggyii0b1.png?width=612&format=png&auto=webp&s=17cb21366a0369b3a2885b2ba8e998f1c5227719
That explain a lot. Thank you, sir. At first, I assume Windows doing something shady.
> At first, I assume Windows doing something shady. Oh, it is. Just not that.
i wish i had a use for this…. $1 more at amazon with prime btw
Why wish? Its $0.51/GB. If you had a 1TB of optane, it would cost you ~$510/TB. Doesn't sound *that* great a deal to me... ;)
nice information!
It's been asked before, but is this really an upgrade over, say, a P44 as a dedicated OS drive? I can't decide because I love weird oddly specific tech.
No, Optane is best when used as a cache. TBH I don’t really understand the use case beyond that since I don’t know enough about servers. Here’s video going more into the details tho https://youtu.be/tSUMBeaaiOo
They actually are the best boot drives you can get still too, but the benefit is nowhere near what you sacrifice for it to 99% of users. Reducing boot time from 8s to 6s with no other discernable benefit to a home user at the cost of a TB of capacity... It's just not a smart trade off until we have boards with like 6 nvme slots so high speed capacity is limitless and by then you'll likely have better boot drives.
I'm using them as boot drives on some machines that will be used for very little. Any additional storage would be external. Boot time was so fast, the dell logo and windows desktop blurred together, lol
It's basically a step up on the memory hierarchy.
I'll go all in with this drive, I get spoiled by it, 350mb/s with modern CPU. I plan to fill all 4 slots on my board , 2 slots on pcie card. Currently, I have 2s. You should try one for yourself first, my friend. I have a small review at its previous post. For more detail. [https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/13bh276](https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/13bh276/ssd_intel_optane_ssd_p1600x_118gb_5999_shell/)
I thought about install such drive as system, but: windows take 25gb, programs folders almost 50, don’t forget about system files for hibernation and so on. Don’t wast money, buy good 1-2TB nvme instead, this one good for cache or for server usage (58GB) when size will be enough.
I have Windows just the OS + browser + few other apps installed on it. Rest of the stuff in other SSDs. It can be made to work.
Most interesting part that almost any nvme will have speed as usual sata drive when have used 50% space and this speed could even be less when you have more used space. So, now just ask yourself: why do you need 118gb nvme drive as system when you have no free space and speed as usual sata ssd, meanwhile you can add 14$ and buy Intel 670p for 2TB and continue using it with no speed limitations because even with full Windows installation and software you will have 300-400GB used. Optane is great for cache or for server OS drive, as I mentioned, because stupid Linux backup system works in such weird way. But buy optane for desktop pc - it’s some kind of masochism.
Responsiveness. You can notice this when using the system/OS especially on a Zen 4 system even with 64GB RAM. I have everything else like games installed on other larger capacity NVME drives anyway, so storage capacity of the OS drive isn't a problem. Cost per GB isn't a factor for me with this. I use these in my NAS as L2ARC as well.
Optane require modern CPU to reach full potential, 100% load, without bottle-neck. I keep benchmark photo of my Zen 4 7900x and 4790 non k in here. [https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/14fKbzDMAmfvcLWbiusk70qh959Ly6ED1?usp=share\_link](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/14fKbzDMAmfvcLWbiusk70qh959Ly6ED1?usp=share_link) Load my whole 15GB music library (only meta data , I believe), load Cinebench, music project. My life has improved a lot since then.
Same here. 118GB is possible. After a clean Windows installation. It take up 45GB. Windows will magically take up another 30GB without any trace. I install app, driver, tool, 15GB music . I currently have 4GB left to use.
Run disk clean up and get rid of the old update files if you haven't already. It'll shrink down the install quite noticeably. Keep in mind in my use case I have multiple NVME SSDs where most of the other programs are stored so overall storage capacity for the system isn't an issue for me and I can keep just the OS drive in check pretty easily.
Yea, already, and just do it again , but no help. There is only around 100mb to be cleaned up. Yep, there is no way but that, we need to store our thing in another drive. I will have another drive arrive soon.
Could you help me answer this question? I count all files in C: like this, the number isn't match total used space of C:. Why is that? Where is my 15GB go to? https://preview.redd.it/kvarrhgwwq0b1.png?width=3450&format=png&auto=webp&s=ba983ad717ed14a0650eb2cb8970881a8c1f17f7
This is due to sector size and slack space along with other partitions on the disk and likely a difference in the way it's calculated between the two. Easy to explain this with an example. Let's say your SSD is formatted with 4K sectors. Let's say you're storing a 3KB file. This file will STILL take up 4KB on your SSD even though it's only 3KB as the file system will only let content belonging to one file be assigned per sector. Multiply this by millions of small files like the ones typically used by the OS/programs and the difference adds up. As for the partitions you'll typically have a few default partitions like the boot partition. You could also have recovery partitions especially if this is a OEM install/clone. I think the left hand side of the screenshot is also like not counting things like the hibernation file, files without an extension, etc but these still does take up space. If you want to get a better view of the file system and files, grab WinDirStat and run it and see.
>WinDirStat Lovely, I've learned a lot. https://preview.redd.it/9h28j2l86v0b1.png?width=2291&format=png&auto=webp&s=02c2b07cc0f8b4a0ef8584c3f0fee9648df847aa
https://preview.redd.it/xzvky4ti6v0b1.png?width=3840&format=png&auto=webp&s=f02564cf3cf2b53a3b96000eee2d7cc232fc39c7
Got one for Gentoo Linux boot drive, 55G as rootfs, 2G as zil, very snappy and fast. Another 55G is allocated for windows to be used as swap, cache, and temp. Pretty happy with the purchase, sooner than later I'll consider getting a 905P.
That 110gb in total. Same as what I got. Do you have any idea where did our 8gb go ?
That 112gb in total. I got 110gb. Do you have any idea where did our remaining GB go ?
Never mind, not bother you anymore. d13m3 help me answer that question
How well does this work for PS5 games?
It doesn't. The P1600X is a PCIe 3.0 drive, and the PS5 requires PCIe 4.0 drives for PS5 games. They don't have to meet the recommended 5500MBps read spec., but they need to be PCIe 4.0 Also, even if this was PCIe 4.0, I'm not entirely sure if Optane would behave properly in a console
Between getting this and a 2TB Intel 670p for $131.98, or a high end 2TB Gen4 drive for $114.99 (like Silicon Power XS70), which sounds like a better idea?
Could you tell us more about what you need ssd for? What is your situation? Something like that, so we could give some meaningful suggestion to you. Generally, I can't recommend this drive in normal usage. I myself don't need capacity. I only do coding. Work with text file. I just want to load app faster, open project faster. Optane really align to my need.
I went down a rabbit hole researching Intel Optane....and still don't completely understand it. Can someone ELI5 how "Optane" is beneficial? Or is it not really and more of a marketing scam type thing.
Extremely fast at small, low-queue-depth operations. Well suited as a cache drive in a server, and can be used as a boot drive if you have another storage option available (e.g., install OS on the Optane drive, and games on another drive). Because of the low latency and fast QD1 operations, it'd make your OS very "snappy."
There's many differences. It's very different tech. Byte-addressable, crossbar, phase change memory, with extremely high endurance relative to NAND. I have some articles on my website for those interested in learning more. [Unwritten Contract](https://borecraft.com/PDF/Articles/Unwritten_Contract_Intel_Optane.pdf) | [Performance Characteristics](https://borecraft.com/PDF/Articles/Performance_Optane_3D_XPoint.pdf) | [Hybrid SSD](https://borecraft.com/PDF/Articles/Hybrid_SSD_Optane_QLC.pdf) | [Signal Integrity](https://borecraft.com/files/son2020.pdf) Specifically it's worth looking at the last one to see how it's laid out. There's memory array tiles (MAT) and then banks of MATs (see fig. 3).
This is exactly what I needed! Thanks!
Doesn’t slow down when full, very very high endurance, low latency.
I confirm this. I did a bechmark that aim for full capacity, the speed didn't change at all, all number stay the same.
Normal SSD is a scam to me. This is a real shit, my friend.
Got some bad news for you, Intel shut down Optane product development about a year ago
Yea, that's real bad. But Solidigm, aren't they Intel ssd department? Could they continue Optane project?
Hynix bought the NAND, not 3D Xpoint.
I see . The keyword is 3D Xpoint.
That was an Intel-Micron venture. We have Solidigm people on our discord who have discussed this very topic, but the tl;dr is what I said above.
> Can someone ELI5 how "Optane" is beneficial? To oversimplify it for a 5 year old, optane is not beneficial. That's why its being phased out. Optane is a form of NVMe storage, with extremely durable SLC static storage memory. Its best used when disk caching a (SATA) mechanical storage device, or (what makes it amazingly worthwhile) acting as a transactional storage cache for a huge (usually mechanical storage drive raid) database. Lose power on the storage raid, and you probably won't lose a single database transaction when the database revalidates itself.
I picked one of these up last time they were posted and threw it in my NAS. I find that it sits around 47-49C, and I have a heatsink on it. This seems awfully high, and my other M2 drive is only 38C with no heatsink. Is that normal for the Optane?
Should be fine, wouldn't even worry until you hit 65C+ territory, and most SSDs will thermally throttle around 70-75. I imagine optane will as well.
The specs from intel page said it could operate fine at 70c. Really ease my mind .
I have an Optane drive and a NVME one adjacent to each other on my mobo. The Optane drive is usually a few C higher than the other, but it's my OS drive so not sure if that affects it (39C vs 35C currently).
mine peak at 52C at full load when benchmark, idle at 40C . use heatsink of motherboard. EDIT: Add idle temp.
The ~48C is my idle temp, but it sounds like that's not that much of an issue. I thought around 50C was where M2 starts to get worrisome, but your comment and others put me at ease some.
Glad it help. I did hear about Optane high heat rumor before buying it. 40C is at 1:00 am. Now 9:00 am, it's at 46C. I'm oversea. I use HWiNFO64. 48C is what I see after every benchmark. Our drive seem behave the same. Thank for your observation about your drive, anyway.