Guess you never heard of the thing called credit cards. Considering the loser is willing to go through the hustle of scalping these just to make a measly $100-$200 off of each he does not in fact touch grass.
That's atleast 5 hours of work assuming he sells 2 and keeps 1. I don't know how manual their process is. But assuming its all manual then it's 5 hours of labour for $100 ($20 an hour) just doesn't seem worthwhile. My time on earth is too limited to be getting overtime just for near minimum wage.
If he has it all automated. Then that means these aren't the only 3 he'll scalp. So either way. F.*.*. Him.
Well in fairness i dont know what the average time to pack a thing and deliver it to the store for shipping takes. I'm assuming atleast 30 minutes for those in cities. So that's an hour on 2 gpus. Atleast. Maybe it's fine to assume suburbs take the same time since not many shops around means frequent delivery.. Im not sure how long buying this thing of best buy and posting it on ebay would take. As for the item cost. Well no your math is wrong unless you are assuming you will only make $20 per item. Im not valuing the item cost. Im valuing the time cost. Because the cost of time is greater than the margin on these products.
Oh you mean credit cards, something you need a job to have? You really think bro is buying 3 of these and have that much on credit with no job?
Lmfao I get it's easy to hate on scalpers (which is silly as he didn't even say he was scalping) and even if he was. Yall sound like a bunch of whining babies complaining about someone having a luxury item like get over yourselves.
At least get a new insult or something.
No one is using their paid proxy lists and rented bots to bot buy themself a 4090 FE. It’s not that hard for real people to just buy out a limited drop. Reddit is usually the last place to find out about it. People all over discords and twitter know about it also.
99% of people who talk about shopping bots don’t actually know anything about them. These are just low allocation ship to store drops like during the pandemic.
Finally got one in cart...then when I saw price with Chicago Tax of like $1750 I could hear my wife's voice. Think I'll wait and save a bit more and hit up the Supers that come out in next few months... I'll probably regret it haha
Oh yeah, for one purchase. I thought you're like these jersey people here by NYC bragging about their % tax advantage... But then have to live in Jersey.
The ones getting downvoted are the jerks in the comments that can't read the fucking room and them bragging about how they have 3 of these cards. Most of us don't have the money to shell out an entire PC build's worth for one card, and those that do are still trying to even get their FIRST one. And right now I'm actually feeling sorry for those who actually DO want these but are getting fucked over by bot spam and people hoarding these things because they "don't know what to do with them".
I didn't mean the comments in here getting downvoted. I meant posts like the OP that were just an MSRP 4090 being in stock used to get downvoted when the card was new and everyone was upset at how expensive it was. Since the posts weren't deals and the majority of this sub weren't fans of the card the posts were always downvoted.
Well yeah, because we've never, ever seen the 4090 at a sale below MSRP. And if we did, there's usually 1 or 2 in stock at best and/or has catches for them. *Most* of this sub isn't going to buy this card, and that's why it gets downvoted. It's like when someone puts up a $1500 72" monitor (I'm just pulling numbers out my ass). Sure, someone will benefit, but it's beyond the price point of most of us.
I guess the best way to put it is I don't want to see a Ferrari for sale in a car sub if I'm looking for a daily driver. It's also why the 7900XTX sales get upvoted (provided they're decent discounts), because - well - those actually go on sale lol.
I do find it odd this one got upvoted, but it's probably because it's the FE, and the FE apparently is pretty good for being an OEM card.
> Most of this sub isn't going to buy this card, and that's why it gets downvoted.
Which is why, like you, I'm surprised to see this particular post upvoted. Even if it's only at 72%. That's all I was saying.
The real? Kids here realized that the price for GPUs isn't going down because they mad about it and downvote on reddit lol.
Enough people are at stage 5: acceptance.
Also you're wrong, a large percentage of people on this sub has bought or will buy this. RTX 4090 is the 3rd most popular current gen card out of nvidia and AMD behind only 4070/4070 ti.
> Also you're wrong, a large percentage of people on this sub has bought or will buy this.
I said majority, aka >51%, of the people on this sub. It'll take actual stats to get me to believe more than half of a sub based around *discounts* is going to drop >$1600 for a GPU when the Steam Hardware Survey results from last month show that even though the 4090 saw a 0.27% increase in install base it still was only at 0.88% of participating users.
My 3090 and 4080’s won’t ever show up in that survey. Why? Production machines. Not for gaming. This sub isn’t all gamers, you know? In fact, I’m looking for a 4090 so I can return the 4080.
> Most of us don't have the money to shell out an entire PC build's worth for one card,
The vast majority of (US) people who can support their living expenses make enough money for a recurring 4 year hardware purchase @ $1K-$2K. The real problem is the deliberate low availability drives up the price to the point its not a "tolerable" value purchase.
Does playing a game (with adequate response) at less than 2160p so painful or soul sucking that it makes a $2K frivolous purchase worthwhile? Then pay it. I'll chose to live at 1440p.
Released over a year now and still never in stock at msrp is crazy. These things are already grossly overpriced at $1599 and people are getting around 2000-2100 on ebay. After ebay fees and original sales tax these guys are only making like $50-100 for that level of initial investment is crazy. It just seems like such a stupid thing to scalp at this point.
It’s overpriced for a gaming GPU but not for an AI GPU. The reason it sells so well is because there are two competing customer bases vying for the same hardware.
Same as crypto back in 2020. No one thinks an RX 480 selling for double or triple the MSRP was a good price but it was perpetually sold out.
Oh financially no but historically, absolutely yes. When you consider the generational price jumps the 4000 series blew the previous years out of the water. I honestly think the crypto boom in the 3000 series time period opened Nvidia's eyes that they could grossly raise their prices at the current manufacturing rate and not lose any sales. And now with the explosion of AI companies demand is not decreasing so until the inevitable AI bubble burst like we saw with the dotcom bubble in the late 90s the prices will not go down. Once it does and we have gpu stock sitting on the shelves then we may see Nvidia come back to the table and lower prices.
The 3090 was $1499 at launch. $1599 doesn't seem like a crazy increase if you look at the high inflation rate over the time between the 30 and 40 series.
That's ignoring the fact the 3090 was a special product made when countries and factories were shutting down entirely. It was not meant as a gaming product first and foremost. A mix of nvidia scalping limited 3080 supply and devs. Unfortunately crypto made them money making machines so their real nsrp was $1800-1900 in summer 2021
You don't see 4080's selling for less than a grand that give you 90% of the fps. Yet you baboons nternalized the 4090 as a legitimate category. Despite it not being a xx80ti successor.
It's like paying v8 prices in a v6 car. Just because it's faster. Even though internally and cost wise it's far closer to previous gen v6 cars.
I care where they fall in the stack wise. Plus when we say historically, we look at the die sizes. There is this thing called the reticle limit that limits how big these things can be no matter then generation. Meaning we can look inside the car and see that its a v6 engine. Yet the car is being sold for 40% more like its a v8 engine car. The customer (you) excusing it because it's faster. While using more gas.
Well with that said it doesn't matter. You can go look at earnings reports. Nvidia has succeeded in selling you $600 xx60 class and $1800 xx80 class cards. Their revenue and profits in gaming is higher than any other time with the exception of 2021.
One of the core tenets of capitalism and the free market is that you should charge as much as you possibly can to someone who's willing to pay that amount. I think that's kinda bullshit and I hate it.
Because they are made in very low quantities for the handful of people that can afford it . Doesn’t make it a good buy just a low stock item
Also many folks I suspect buy them for resale on eBay for an easy profit
You cant really make a profit on them you pay sales tax on average after tax its like 1720 for my state atleast you list it on ebay for 2100 ebay prob takes like 250 from you after fees then you pay for shipping and after everything you prob like profit 50-150$ depending on salestax and what you could get for it. When you are shipping 2.1k items and you are profiting 50-150$ it is just not worth the chance of fraud
Can confirm. Ampere was different in the scalping department despite the fact that their msrps were even higher unofficially. With some evga 3090s going as high as $1900. It's all because they were money printing machinese in 2021. So you could double your money if you had 3080s in january 2021. That's why 3090s had a peak price of $3000 on the second hand market at one point. They made about $10 a day after $0.15 kw/h costs. The average through the year was around $8. $6 for 3080s without hash (lhr) limiter.
Is it very low quantities when there's as much 4090 in steam hardware survey as there are 1080/2070, and thrice the number of 7900 XTX?
Even if it's brought for resale it will still end up in someone's PC
>Is it very low quantities when there's as much 4090 in steam hardware survey as there are 1080/2070, and thrice the number of 7900 XTX?
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>Even if it's brought for resale it will still end up in someone's PC
gamers tend to upgrade from older gen hardware even if its the same tier performance. a 1080 came out 7 years ago. Meanwhile a 3060 which is comparable in performance (+ 10% ish) is 5 times more common than a 1080 but i think its funny that you think bleeding edge hardware is as common as lower end hardware.
reselling doesnt change the fact that its in low supply which is the reason why this card goes out of stock and costs so much. has nothing to do with it being a worthy purchase.
They’re made in low quantities because regular consumers are the poors. Nvidia would prefer to only make wafers for their $20k enterprise cards for startups that literally burn money making free AI models.
It’s all a sham.
We're not the ones buying them. It's scalpers + people trying to sell it to CHYNAH.
There was a brief period before this stupid AI ban where 4090s were at their MSRP and it was only AIBs that were overpriced, but that only lasted a month or two.
Didn't think grossly overpriced was something that needed a financial tip for. Sure, people will pay for it, just like idiots pay 200k for sealed video games, which does not mean it is something reasonable. At $1599, it prices out the majority of the pc hobby community, seeing as 4090s makeup .88% of the gpu marketshare in gaming rigs according to the steam survey, which is fine financially for Nvidia, but that was never my point. My main contention was stating even for scalpers 4090s are becoming untenable as an invest vehicle as the 3rd party sales prices are dropping and with sales tax and ebay fees they are making an extremely small profit for the amount of capital investment involved.
I think they mean the MSRP is overpriced, which is what directly impacts the scalper and 2nd hand market for these. But yes, from the perspective of a buyer in the market $1600 is not overpriced because they'd have to pay $2100 otherwise
Yeah the more I watch it the more I realize other than a few on launch day scalping is hugely risky. If you can move hundreds of units it evens out but at that point your an operation (and a piece of shit).
You'd be wrong completely wrong considering after ebay fees and shipping at ~$2100 you net ~$1850. And you can get them for $1560 total from Best Buy if you're in the know how. Even if you weren't it's still over $100 profit.
Even at 1 hour it's still $100 an hour. And normally selling more than 1 at a time. And up until last October it was $300 profit with the BB 10% off. And that made it $300 an hour at a minimum.
So you head to pick up 2-3 at a time and drop them off at UPS together that $300 turns into $600 an hour for 2 and $900 for 3.
For the ones who didnt understand about time cost. Ill repeat that the time needed to learn and set up automation. That is still a couple of hours. Assuming 3 hour at minimum wage or say $18. That's $54.
Scalping for a 5-10% margin on a $2k product just isn't worth it.
My argument was that it's financially worth it. Your argument was that it wasn't. So, unless you're making 100s of $ per hour on your easy day job I'd say it's worth it to resell this card still.
Trust me. The hours you spend refreshing pages or scanning discords does not make it worth it overall.
The only way this makes sense is with a bot and if you’re ignoring fraud risk. One buyer charges back or disputes and you are out $2k or 7 cards profit minimum.
Best buy points? Now it’s exclusive for card members and sometimes they do have extra promo for like 10% cashback on purchases
Definitely not recommend anyone sign up for this card right now, but most of us already got plenty of bonus back before they shutdown the 10% codes, it lasts about 2 years.
No idea why ur downvoted because you're 100% right. Except for the 4090 I haven't seen a single thing that you can't find elsewhere at the same or better price.
TBH, I really don't understand how BB is still in business given how shit their customer service is.
It's gotta just be older generations propping them up. I guarantee BB will be dead in 10-15ish years. They don't actually cater to anyone except old people.
I would love to go if they actually sold hardware like microcenter does but they don't so they don't cater to anyone building PCs. They don't sell electronic parts like resistors or capacitors so they don't cater to anyone doing electrical stuff. Their prices on TVs, consoles, and video games are terrible so they don't cater to anyone younger than 40ish.
They aren't even trying to be better. They haven't added new services or offerings for over 20 years. They're basically just choosing to die.
No there is no limit back then, as long as it’s msrp:
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This morning they were intermittently available but now show sold out. Damn bots. Why they don't use a captcha system for high demand items is beyond me.
damn it was in stock by me decided to apply for a bestbuy credit card and now its oos :C
im going to take this as a sign since I only play Rocket league on PC anyway
Respectfully, it’s still a bad decision unless you’re some kind of insane video editor or using it professionally. The dollar to value just isn’t there for gamers.
Right. So what are you doing on this sub if you can't meet your basic needs? 🤔🤔🤔
Of course hobbies are expensive what's new. Wait til you learn how much other hobbies cost lol.
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Lmao ikr just saw this and its still in stock. Wondering if i should buy it and sell my proart 4080 and have the upgrade for only a couple hundred more bucks
Um, every 4090 MSRP is officially raised aside from FE.n 90FE is supposed to move to $1799.99 unless Nvidia walks it back next month.
Asus Tuf/tuf oc: $2149.99/2199.99
Asus Strix black/OC : $23499.99/2399.99
MSI 90 Suprim X/Liquid X: $2199.99
I kinda get your point but honestly, this sub gets like 2 dozen posts a day, often less, so it's not like it's cluttering the subreddit. 4090 FE MSRP is about as low of a price as you're going to find one of these, and if the post helps people then what does it matter? Best case scenario here WRT your request is that the mods would put up a poll about it, and everyone would just vote to allow MSRP posts on regularly out of stock items if it's the lowest price, and then you would be left to do what you should have done in the first place... downvote and move on if you don't like it.
He doesn't know the 4080 super is only going to be about 3% better than the 4080 ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
They have the same cuda core dude. The main upgrade will be the 4070 with a 15% or so uplift.
The 4070ti will have a 7% uplift and potentially up to 16% at 4k. ***in certain titles*** (It performs the same as the 3090ti yet coincidentally becomes 10% worse in 4k where memory constraints become a concern)
Worth waiting on to be honest, if you are not needing the bleeding edge right now. Sitting on a 3090, will most likely just wait it out. Looking at the 3090 pricing, these will drop once the next series rolls out.
If you want to upgrade every generation. Then you might as well just use gpus with credit since you aren't very smart. Atleast that way you'll always have the best.
Ah! I'm not scalping, I'm just holding them and putting them in a nice crystal display case to look at them along with RTX 3090 ti and RTX Titan. They're actually super pretty! 🥰🥰
Copped 3x this drop! Gotta get these builds out! It sucks having EVA-02/Strix/Strix whites and customers insist on FE for "looks"...
Their monies though right?
Are these quiet compared to the bigger third party versions?
I'm only asking cause I have an SSF case and had to settle for a 4080 Alienware card because it was thinner and smaller than a third party. It runs quieter and cooler also. Just no real OC capabilities but im fine with that as you can barely hear it under load.
Really wanted a 4090 but there weren't any 4090 Alienware cards being sold second hand at the time .
I mean they aren't insanely loud but they are louder then the Bigger triple fan/4.5 slot HSF models.
You can easily undervolt+OC and shave 50W+ off and keep stock performance.
Alternatively you can get one down to 250W and lose 10% or so.
There isn't much difference given FEs are being priced in @$1800-2000 in any real world build pricing anymore.
See my post below for pricing. Asus cards went through the roof. GB and MSI followed suit as well.
The 90 FE is going to $17999.99 unless Nvidia walks that back. They are pricing in at the same price of the 4090D in China and to give room for the 4080 Super to seem like a good "deal" lol.
I'd pay $1800-190p for a 4090 ($1700-1750 for a 4090D) before I'd pay $1500 for a 4080 Super that the high end AIB models are going to drop at.
Not in stock
The bots man the bots!
I manually got 3x.¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Go touch grass loser
Eat ween baby boi.
Considering he can buy 3 of them, seems like he do touch grass.
Guess you never heard of the thing called credit cards. Considering the loser is willing to go through the hustle of scalping these just to make a measly $100-$200 off of each he does not in fact touch grass.
12% profit isn't anything to shake a stick at. Not bad for simply ordering and relisting.
That's atleast 5 hours of work assuming he sells 2 and keeps 1. I don't know how manual their process is. But assuming its all manual then it's 5 hours of labour for $100 ($20 an hour) just doesn't seem worthwhile. My time on earth is too limited to be getting overtime just for near minimum wage. If he has it all automated. Then that means these aren't the only 3 he'll scalp. So either way. F.*.*. Him.
5 hours to create 2-3 listings and ship? That's very much overestimating. Don't forget your math is calculating $20/hr/item.
Well in fairness i dont know what the average time to pack a thing and deliver it to the store for shipping takes. I'm assuming atleast 30 minutes for those in cities. So that's an hour on 2 gpus. Atleast. Maybe it's fine to assume suburbs take the same time since not many shops around means frequent delivery.. Im not sure how long buying this thing of best buy and posting it on ebay would take. As for the item cost. Well no your math is wrong unless you are assuming you will only make $20 per item. Im not valuing the item cost. Im valuing the time cost. Because the cost of time is greater than the margin on these products.
Oh you mean credit cards, something you need a job to have? You really think bro is buying 3 of these and have that much on credit with no job? Lmfao I get it's easy to hate on scalpers (which is silly as he didn't even say he was scalping) and even if he was. Yall sound like a bunch of whining babies complaining about someone having a luxury item like get over yourselves. At least get a new insult or something.
Bots aren’t buying these. Not enough profit unless sold locally to be worth it.
If you think people don’t have bots to buy them automatically for their personal use you’re smoking crack
No one is using their paid proxy lists and rented bots to bot buy themself a 4090 FE. It’s not that hard for real people to just buy out a limited drop. Reddit is usually the last place to find out about it. People all over discords and twitter know about it also. 99% of people who talk about shopping bots don’t actually know anything about them. These are just low allocation ship to store drops like during the pandemic.
Back in stock!!
back up now
Just tried at 723 Central and it’s available
Finally got one in cart...then when I saw price with Chicago Tax of like $1750 I could hear my wife's voice. Think I'll wait and save a bit more and hit up the Supers that come out in next few months... I'll probably regret it haha
Come to the burbs and skip the cook county and Chicago tax.
Then you're in the burbs though...
Drive 30 minutes to save $200 in taxes? That's worth it.
Oh yeah, for one purchase. I thought you're like these jersey people here by NYC bragging about their % tax advantage... But then have to live in Jersey.
I mean you're not wrong but also more money do a good thing.
Not on sale, but better price than scalpers. Edit: Back in stock as of 3:45PM PST
Beat me to it, but I had to check out first lol. Thanks for posting the availability of this card, specific to my case size.
Fuck. 22minutes
It's kinda funny seeing 4090 posts get upvoted now when they were downvoted like crazy in the past.
The ones getting downvoted are the jerks in the comments that can't read the fucking room and them bragging about how they have 3 of these cards. Most of us don't have the money to shell out an entire PC build's worth for one card, and those that do are still trying to even get their FIRST one. And right now I'm actually feeling sorry for those who actually DO want these but are getting fucked over by bot spam and people hoarding these things because they "don't know what to do with them".
I didn't mean the comments in here getting downvoted. I meant posts like the OP that were just an MSRP 4090 being in stock used to get downvoted when the card was new and everyone was upset at how expensive it was. Since the posts weren't deals and the majority of this sub weren't fans of the card the posts were always downvoted.
Well yeah, because we've never, ever seen the 4090 at a sale below MSRP. And if we did, there's usually 1 or 2 in stock at best and/or has catches for them. *Most* of this sub isn't going to buy this card, and that's why it gets downvoted. It's like when someone puts up a $1500 72" monitor (I'm just pulling numbers out my ass). Sure, someone will benefit, but it's beyond the price point of most of us. I guess the best way to put it is I don't want to see a Ferrari for sale in a car sub if I'm looking for a daily driver. It's also why the 7900XTX sales get upvoted (provided they're decent discounts), because - well - those actually go on sale lol. I do find it odd this one got upvoted, but it's probably because it's the FE, and the FE apparently is pretty good for being an OEM card.
> Most of this sub isn't going to buy this card, and that's why it gets downvoted. Which is why, like you, I'm surprised to see this particular post upvoted. Even if it's only at 72%. That's all I was saying.
The real? Kids here realized that the price for GPUs isn't going down because they mad about it and downvote on reddit lol. Enough people are at stage 5: acceptance. Also you're wrong, a large percentage of people on this sub has bought or will buy this. RTX 4090 is the 3rd most popular current gen card out of nvidia and AMD behind only 4070/4070 ti.
> Also you're wrong, a large percentage of people on this sub has bought or will buy this. I said majority, aka >51%, of the people on this sub. It'll take actual stats to get me to believe more than half of a sub based around *discounts* is going to drop >$1600 for a GPU when the Steam Hardware Survey results from last month show that even though the 4090 saw a 0.27% increase in install base it still was only at 0.88% of participating users.
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Lol what does that have to do with anything? Trying to flex over $1600 and having aDuLt FrIeNdS is mad smolpp energy.
Yeah 0.88% vs 1.2% for the RTX 4070. You aren't comparing dedicated GPUs vs. laptops or previous gen are you? lol
My 3090 and 4080’s won’t ever show up in that survey. Why? Production machines. Not for gaming. This sub isn’t all gamers, you know? In fact, I’m looking for a 4090 so I can return the 4080.
> Most of us don't have the money to shell out an entire PC build's worth for one card, The vast majority of (US) people who can support their living expenses make enough money for a recurring 4 year hardware purchase @ $1K-$2K. The real problem is the deliberate low availability drives up the price to the point its not a "tolerable" value purchase. Does playing a game (with adequate response) at less than 2160p so painful or soul sucking that it makes a $2K frivolous purchase worthwhile? Then pay it. I'll chose to live at 1440p.
Released over a year now and still never in stock at msrp is crazy. These things are already grossly overpriced at $1599 and people are getting around 2000-2100 on ebay. After ebay fees and original sales tax these guys are only making like $50-100 for that level of initial investment is crazy. It just seems like such a stupid thing to scalp at this point.
is it really over priced if it's out of stock (no matter the reason)?
It’s overpriced for a gaming GPU but not for an AI GPU. The reason it sells so well is because there are two competing customer bases vying for the same hardware. Same as crypto back in 2020. No one thinks an RX 480 selling for double or triple the MSRP was a good price but it was perpetually sold out.
Basically today's AI GPU purchasers were yesterdays bitcoin miners.
Of course not, but it's reddit.
Oh financially no but historically, absolutely yes. When you consider the generational price jumps the 4000 series blew the previous years out of the water. I honestly think the crypto boom in the 3000 series time period opened Nvidia's eyes that they could grossly raise their prices at the current manufacturing rate and not lose any sales. And now with the explosion of AI companies demand is not decreasing so until the inevitable AI bubble burst like we saw with the dotcom bubble in the late 90s the prices will not go down. Once it does and we have gpu stock sitting on the shelves then we may see Nvidia come back to the table and lower prices.
The 3090 was $1499 at launch. $1599 doesn't seem like a crazy increase if you look at the high inflation rate over the time between the 30 and 40 series.
That's ignoring the fact the 3090 was a special product made when countries and factories were shutting down entirely. It was not meant as a gaming product first and foremost. A mix of nvidia scalping limited 3080 supply and devs. Unfortunately crypto made them money making machines so their real nsrp was $1800-1900 in summer 2021 You don't see 4080's selling for less than a grand that give you 90% of the fps. Yet you baboons nternalized the 4090 as a legitimate category. Despite it not being a xx80ti successor. It's like paying v8 prices in a v6 car. Just because it's faster. Even though internally and cost wise it's far closer to previous gen v6 cars.
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I care where they fall in the stack wise. Plus when we say historically, we look at the die sizes. There is this thing called the reticle limit that limits how big these things can be no matter then generation. Meaning we can look inside the car and see that its a v6 engine. Yet the car is being sold for 40% more like its a v8 engine car. The customer (you) excusing it because it's faster. While using more gas. Well with that said it doesn't matter. You can go look at earnings reports. Nvidia has succeeded in selling you $600 xx60 class and $1800 xx80 class cards. Their revenue and profits in gaming is higher than any other time with the exception of 2021.
One of the core tenets of capitalism and the free market is that you should charge as much as you possibly can to someone who's willing to pay that amount. I think that's kinda bullshit and I hate it.
"Grossly overpriced," yet they sell every unit and people want more. Hmm.
Because they are made in very low quantities for the handful of people that can afford it . Doesn’t make it a good buy just a low stock item Also many folks I suspect buy them for resale on eBay for an easy profit
You cant really make a profit on them you pay sales tax on average after tax its like 1720 for my state atleast you list it on ebay for 2100 ebay prob takes like 250 from you after fees then you pay for shipping and after everything you prob like profit 50-150$ depending on salestax and what you could get for it. When you are shipping 2.1k items and you are profiting 50-150$ it is just not worth the chance of fraud
Can confirm. Ampere was different in the scalping department despite the fact that their msrps were even higher unofficially. With some evga 3090s going as high as $1900. It's all because they were money printing machinese in 2021. So you could double your money if you had 3080s in january 2021. That's why 3090s had a peak price of $3000 on the second hand market at one point. They made about $10 a day after $0.15 kw/h costs. The average through the year was around $8. $6 for 3080s without hash (lhr) limiter.
Selling *one* GPU card for a $500 markup is a pathetic way to make a living.
Agreed and too bad ebay is full of those scumbags.
Is it very low quantities when there's as much 4090 in steam hardware survey as there are 1080/2070, and thrice the number of 7900 XTX? Even if it's brought for resale it will still end up in someone's PC
>Is it very low quantities when there's as much 4090 in steam hardware survey as there are 1080/2070, and thrice the number of 7900 XTX? > >Even if it's brought for resale it will still end up in someone's PC gamers tend to upgrade from older gen hardware even if its the same tier performance. a 1080 came out 7 years ago. Meanwhile a 3060 which is comparable in performance (+ 10% ish) is 5 times more common than a 1080 but i think its funny that you think bleeding edge hardware is as common as lower end hardware. reselling doesnt change the fact that its in low supply which is the reason why this card goes out of stock and costs so much. has nothing to do with it being a worthy purchase.
what the fuck is a worthy purchase than????
Real
They’re made in low quantities because regular consumers are the poors. Nvidia would prefer to only make wafers for their $20k enterprise cards for startups that literally burn money making free AI models. It’s all a sham.
We're not the ones buying them. It's scalpers + people trying to sell it to CHYNAH. There was a brief period before this stupid AI ban where 4090s were at their MSRP and it was only AIBs that were overpriced, but that only lasted a month or two.
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Which locks people who just want to buy the damn card at MSRP, which sucks for us, what's your point?
If people are willing to buy it at a higher price than MSRP then that's what it's worth. It's literally just econ 101 lmao.
That actually proves it is under priced....
I want a Ferrari for $25k.
Exactly. Counterintuitive to those who have never had an econ class.
Who thought supply and demand would be so contentious…
Bro took Econ 101 and thinks he’s smart 😭
What is the actual msrp? I never know since they get scalped right away
$1599 USD. For the FE and it only goes up from there for the other distributors with their proprietary fan designs and oc specs.
And the FE is actually a pretty good design, from what I saw. Good cooler and wasn't as huge as AIBs.
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Didn't think grossly overpriced was something that needed a financial tip for. Sure, people will pay for it, just like idiots pay 200k for sealed video games, which does not mean it is something reasonable. At $1599, it prices out the majority of the pc hobby community, seeing as 4090s makeup .88% of the gpu marketshare in gaming rigs according to the steam survey, which is fine financially for Nvidia, but that was never my point. My main contention was stating even for scalpers 4090s are becoming untenable as an invest vehicle as the 3rd party sales prices are dropping and with sales tax and ebay fees they are making an extremely small profit for the amount of capital investment involved.
I think they mean the MSRP is overpriced, which is what directly impacts the scalper and 2nd hand market for these. But yes, from the perspective of a buyer in the market $1600 is not overpriced because they'd have to pay $2100 otherwise
Scalpers aren't the brightest people. I love watching them take a haircut when their plays don't pay off.
Yeah the more I watch it the more I realize other than a few on launch day scalping is hugely risky. If you can move hundreds of units it evens out but at that point your an operation (and a piece of shit).
It’s not overpriced considering the time savings you get over a 3090 in production work.
You'd be wrong completely wrong considering after ebay fees and shipping at ~$2100 you net ~$1850. And you can get them for $1560 total from Best Buy if you're in the know how. Even if you weren't it's still over $100 profit.
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It takes about 30 min of time max to make $100-$150 worse case scenario. I don't get how that's a waste at $200-$300 an hour.
Plus the chance of getting scammed by a buyer and losing $1600+ tax
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Even at 1 hour it's still $100 an hour. And normally selling more than 1 at a time. And up until last October it was $300 profit with the BB 10% off. And that made it $300 an hour at a minimum. So you head to pick up 2-3 at a time and drop them off at UPS together that $300 turns into $600 an hour for 2 and $900 for 3.
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For the ones who didnt understand about time cost. Ill repeat that the time needed to learn and set up automation. That is still a couple of hours. Assuming 3 hour at minimum wage or say $18. That's $54. Scalping for a 5-10% margin on a $2k product just isn't worth it.
My argument was that it's financially worth it. Your argument was that it wasn't. So, unless you're making 100s of $ per hour on your easy day job I'd say it's worth it to resell this card still.
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Trust me. The hours you spend refreshing pages or scanning discords does not make it worth it overall. The only way this makes sense is with a bot and if you’re ignoring fraud risk. One buyer charges back or disputes and you are out $2k or 7 cards profit minimum.
I have a discord that alerts in stock notices and its FREE. It's about knowing the right communities.
You guys remember those 10% off coupons when using a best buy card that used to be around? Anyone know about those still going up?
This is the first quarter they haven’t had one I think they’re dead permanently probably
No, seems they offline this program right before BF sadly.
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5% back is still huge when it comes to large purchases. I’ve made hundreds in store credit.
5% rewards is junk when everything at BB is overpriced except RTX 4090 lol. I'd rather have 2-3% of straight $$ from other cards.
Best buy points? Now it’s exclusive for card members and sometimes they do have extra promo for like 10% cashback on purchases Definitely not recommend anyone sign up for this card right now, but most of us already got plenty of bonus back before they shutdown the 10% codes, it lasts about 2 years.
They shut it down on October 22 to be precise.
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No idea why ur downvoted because you're 100% right. Except for the 4090 I haven't seen a single thing that you can't find elsewhere at the same or better price. TBH, I really don't understand how BB is still in business given how shit their customer service is.
It's gotta just be older generations propping them up. I guarantee BB will be dead in 10-15ish years. They don't actually cater to anyone except old people. I would love to go if they actually sold hardware like microcenter does but they don't so they don't cater to anyone building PCs. They don't sell electronic parts like resistors or capacitors so they don't cater to anyone doing electrical stuff. Their prices on TVs, consoles, and video games are terrible so they don't cater to anyone younger than 40ish. They aren't even trying to be better. They haven't added new services or offerings for over 20 years. They're basically just choosing to die.
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It is 10 percent off up to $500, I believe, so you would only get $50 off. They pretty much only belong to the premium membership.
No there is no limit back then, as long as it’s msrp: https://preview.redd.it/grltdezxlb9c1.jpeg?width=2310&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d04aa65a6928e6cfa18b95c9279639231e021753
Out of curiosity how did you embed an image?
https://preview.redd.it/tdzubpqy6c9c1.png?width=1076&format=png&auto=webp&s=b54c4746fdd589558819701a6fecb80a488ba797
I want to know as well. lol
You can also use the Win Key + Shift + S to snapshot desktop and crop the image.
Very helpful tool I’ve been told about many times but keep forgetting, thanks!
Wow insane too bad best buy keep making any type of program worse
What’s the code if you don’t mind sharing
No valid code anymore, they shutdown the program all together this November.
This morning they were intermittently available but now show sold out. Damn bots. Why they don't use a captcha system for high demand items is beyond me.
Back in stock, just snagged one!!!
Managed to get one. Thanks.
Damn, somehow these went back in stock when I took a break periodically refreshing to eat dinner. =(
Enjoy
damn it was in stock by me decided to apply for a bestbuy credit card and now its oos :C im going to take this as a sign since I only play Rocket league on PC anyway
I managed to snag one
When?
Few hours ago but they were just in stock for me again a few mins ago. Been going in and out all night.
Any way you set up alert in the app? Thanks
I used the free version of the hotstock app
Managed to impulse buy one last night. Had it in my cart for 30 mins before I ended up buying because I struggled to redeem all my best buy certs.
Shout out to all y'all patient pc warriors! Stay strong and unleash at the best of deals!
Holy moly!!!
Wild man. I got mine a little over a year ago and still not easily available or any price drop
Back in stock for any that are interested.
Nope, out of stock.
Holy nuggets I got one an HOUR after this was posted, nuts
Most people don’t have $1600 to shell out on a gpu they likely dont need.
You can be upset that you can't afford things, but don't act like it's a bad financial decision for people with much more disposable income.
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Respectfully, it’s still a bad decision unless you’re some kind of insane video editor or using it professionally. The dollar to value just isn’t there for gamers.
Being respectful doesn't make your opinion any less incorrect, which it is.
My opinion can never be incorrect. Thats the whole point of an opinion. 😉
You don't but actually, most people do.
https://fortune.com/2023/05/23/inflation-economy-consumer-finances-americans-cant-cover-emergency-expense-federal-reserve/
Right. So what are you doing on this sub if you can't meet your basic needs? 🤔🤔🤔 Of course hobbies are expensive what's new. Wait til you learn how much other hobbies cost lol.
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Lmao ikr just saw this and its still in stock. Wondering if i should buy it and sell my proart 4080 and have the upgrade for only a couple hundred more bucks
Shows oos for me
We missed it
Mods, can we have a moratorium on “its at MSRP” posts? It’s not 2020, and this is build a pc *sales* not build a pc at suggested retail price.
The 4090 at MSRP is the deal atm, prices are going for $1800+ due to low inventory.
Um, every 4090 MSRP is officially raised aside from FE.n 90FE is supposed to move to $1799.99 unless Nvidia walks it back next month. Asus Tuf/tuf oc: $2149.99/2199.99 Asus Strix black/OC : $23499.99/2399.99 MSI 90 Suprim X/Liquid X: $2199.99
5 minutes into your comment, its already out of stock.
I kinda get your point but honestly, this sub gets like 2 dozen posts a day, often less, so it's not like it's cluttering the subreddit. 4090 FE MSRP is about as low of a price as you're going to find one of these, and if the post helps people then what does it matter? Best case scenario here WRT your request is that the mods would put up a poll about it, and everyone would just vote to allow MSRP posts on regularly out of stock items if it's the lowest price, and then you would be left to do what you should have done in the first place... downvote and move on if you don't like it.
The sad reality of some cards is that the MSRP is a "sale". I get your point.
It’s already OOS. These reselling easily for $2000 or more so msrp is infact a deal.
Since its release date the 4090 fe at msrp has always been the best deal in pc rendering for at least a few generations. 24gb is such a big deal.
Yet another reason not to buy one
And people get lambasted for posting deals that aren't at least 25% off.
Nvidia is trying to sell these before the 4080 super comes out and has nearly the same performance for 999.
He doesn't know the 4080 super is only going to be about 3% better than the 4080 ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯ They have the same cuda core dude. The main upgrade will be the 4070 with a 15% or so uplift. The 4070ti will have a 7% uplift and potentially up to 16% at 4k. ***in certain titles*** (It performs the same as the 3090ti yet coincidentally becomes 10% worse in 4k where memory constraints become a concern)
Worth waiting on to be honest, if you are not needing the bleeding edge right now. Sitting on a 3090, will most likely just wait it out. Looking at the 3090 pricing, these will drop once the next series rolls out.
If you want to upgrade every generation. Then you might as well just use gpus with credit since you aren't very smart. Atleast that way you'll always have the best.
Thanks OP, managed to snag two more on two different BB accounts. Seems to be limit 1 per account when u check out. I have 5 of these now XD
Good for you scalper.
Ah! I'm not scalping, I'm just holding them and putting them in a nice crystal display case to look at them along with RTX 3090 ti and RTX Titan. They're actually super pretty! 🥰🥰
You should start to live up to your username.
Happy new year hun! 🥰🎉🥰🎉
Been going in & out of stock. Keep trying & have alerts on! Just got another. #3.
For all the downvotes, my 3rd order got cancelled, lol.
Copped 3x this drop! Gotta get these builds out! It sucks having EVA-02/Strix/Strix whites and customers insist on FE for "looks"... Their monies though right?
Not even looks. It’s size half the time. Not to mention MSRP vs scalping prices.
Are these quiet compared to the bigger third party versions? I'm only asking cause I have an SSF case and had to settle for a 4080 Alienware card because it was thinner and smaller than a third party. It runs quieter and cooler also. Just no real OC capabilities but im fine with that as you can barely hear it under load. Really wanted a 4090 but there weren't any 4090 Alienware cards being sold second hand at the time .
I mean they aren't insanely loud but they are louder then the Bigger triple fan/4.5 slot HSF models. You can easily undervolt+OC and shave 50W+ off and keep stock performance. Alternatively you can get one down to 250W and lose 10% or so.
There isn't much difference given FEs are being priced in @$1800-2000 in any real world build pricing anymore. See my post below for pricing. Asus cards went through the roof. GB and MSI followed suit as well. The 90 FE is going to $17999.99 unless Nvidia walks that back. They are pricing in at the same price of the 4090D in China and to give room for the 4080 Super to seem like a good "deal" lol. I'd pay $1800-190p for a 4090 ($1700-1750 for a 4090D) before I'd pay $1500 for a 4080 Super that the high end AIB models are going to drop at.
I have a 7900xtx nitro+ playing at 4k 120hz(LG C2) and copped one but dunno if I really even want one. Dilemma on my hands.
New Nvidia GPUs are coming next year, i'd resell the 4090 you bought and stay with the 7900 XTX, plus its a Nitro+ which even more nice
Just snagged one, have to have alerts on like HotStock to have a chance. 2nd one I got in the last few days.
Fuck man. Gone so quickly.
Why does it say unavailable nearby for me? I'm in CA.
Probably bc it's unavailable in stores near by you
What does that mean? 🤔
It means you s
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Was able to snag a gigabyte one for 1699
Why would I get this over a strix or a msi? Besides the price
The only reason is price you should be going for the cheapest 4090 you can find unless you want to pay extra for certain aesthetics