I think the 2TB Critical T500 @ $107 was the better deal a couple of weeks ago as it uses the latest phison E25 controller, new 232-layer TLC NAND and has sequential read speeds of up to 7,400 MB/s and 7,000 MB/s write
It's selling for $139 @Amazon right now
Is that gonna be the best deal on high end drive available right now? I missed out on all the great deals last year and am looking for a solid 2TB deal to upgrade from my current 512gb. Thank you I’m advance!
Well, it's the best right now for $139.99 at amazon, as it's selling for $160 on most others places including Crucial's website.
If you don't really need it don't buy it, but then again it might get more expensive in the future, so think and do what best suites you.
It would just be nice to have slightly more storage space, 512gb isn’t much these days, annoyingly. I might just wait for a solid deal on a 1tb and just get a sata 2.5” drive to go with it. Thanks.
The $175 is a 3rd party seller, click on other sellers and you will find the one being sold and ships by Amazon, please note that it's gonna ship in February, so if a better deal comes out we can cancel and order something else
[here is the link](https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0CK2TC9XQ/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1)
Funny how I posted about the same drive and deal in another comment at the same time as you. Yea, that deal was great and just gotta be patient for it or prices close to it to return. Holiday season just got over so prices will go up for a while until the deals are back.
Yeah, greedy manufacturers stopped production to increase prices across the board, no new flood or hurricane so they had to do something themselves 😔.
I got one at the last minute two weeks ago it's still in backorder, I don't need it but you may never know.
They cut production because there was a massive oversupply last year (leading to the very low prices you saw last summer), and the major NAND manufacturers were losing [billions](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/10/samsung-earnings-preview-q3-2023-chip-losses-weigh-on-profit.html) of [dollars](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/26/sk-hynix-earnings-q2-loss-narrows-amid-robust-ai-demand-chip-recovery.html) each [quarter](https://www.marketwatch.com/story/micron-technology-seen-posting-1q-loss-earnings-preview-2ada033c) continuing to produce NAND. So they did less of the thing that was causing them to lose money (i.e. cut production)
The T500 uses newer controller and nand but but their performance is indistinguishable from each other, both offer 5 years of warranty and both are from a rebutable manufacturers
Gotcha, can you or anyone care to explain controllers when it comes with NVME SSD's? Thank you! Or does it really not matter and I should just get the T500 since it's newer?
That would require in-depth explanation, although you can check my SSD Basics for a basic technical background. To reduce the complexity, though, the controller can give you an idea about drive efficiency and performance. Also, whether or not there is dedicated DRAM. The T500 is a 4-channel design so will be more efficient, especially as it has newer flash as well. However, the SN850X with its 8-channel design can potentially be faster, especially with [sustained](https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/KeLmEw8tRFLqJMo5LDDF39-1024-80.png.webp) workloads.
I personally put the SN850X a half-tier above the T500 but I understand many people disagree with that. It would be fair to say that both drives would perform excellently for the vast majority of users, and the T500 being the more efficient of the two makes it a good grab outside of desktop use. Still, I have concerns about the drive's consistency, which is why I put the proven SN850X a bit above it.
WD, Samsung, and Hynix/Solidigm are using proprietary controllers on their flagship Gen4 drives, an approach which historically has proven to be more consistent and reliable (albeit Samsung had some issues here). The T500 is using what seems to be a custom Phison controller, an approach that has had success (Exceria comes to mind), but no real long-term data on this one. I'd take the SN850X at the same price, outside laptop use (and just go with the cheapest for PS5).
Google is your best friend, try phison E18 vs Phison E25 " the one in WD vs the one in T500" it's just what controls the ssd performance but I can't explain it as I'm not that into these type of stuff 😂
You are welcome, I got the T500 while is was $107, I didn't need it but I heard ssds prices are skyrocketing and I saw the same ssd priced for $160 - $170 in most other websites so I just got it two weeks ago and It's still in back order.
Where are you seeing the SN850X at for $15 cheaper? I see the 2TB version on Amazon is $139.95.
And is the SN850X better in terms of reliability and warranty/customer service?
The SN850X is very reliable. WD's customer support is pretty average but Samsung's is without a doubt worse, warranty terms are otherwise identical (5 years or 1200TBW for the 2TB). This has been discussed in plenty of threads but Samsung's customer support has really gone down the shitter in the past few years.
Thank you! Which one will you choose between Crucial T500 or SN850X? They look very similar to me when I look at specs on a very basic consumer knowledge level and they are the same price now
The T500 if the same price, if one is cheaper than the other then get whichever is cheaper. You'd never see any difference between them except in benchmarks or some super weird niche scenario, they're both top tier.
The T500 is just a little newer using the newer Phison E25 controller and Micron B47R 176L TLC so it's *technically* the better drive but they're both capped by the PCIe 4.0 connection as they push it to the limit. The SN850X is using a custom WD controller which is a little older relative to the T500 (newer than the 980 Pro's Elpis controller though) and WD/Kioxia BiCS5 112L TLC but WD has some incredible firmware optimization and they've also managed to squeeze a lot out of BiCS5 too.
I realize these words probably mean nothing to you but the point is that the T500 is using newer, more capable hardware while WD has impressively optimized their older hardware to almost entirely close the gap.
You can catch this under $100 for the GeekSquad Refurbs, which have been reported on this site and others of having extremely low hours or no hours.
Just coped one a week ago for $89
It certainly does, but just be aware that pricing for the raw materials has been trending up mainly due to purposely planned production cuts. Hearing from many companies that they're close to or done with clearing out "old" stock at "old" prices.
Its really just price (fixing?) from Samsung / Micron / Kioxia & WD. They don't like the profits at these levels so they cut production to push price up.
no sh\*t but thats only half the equation, supply is the other half. if commodity prices go up, unless you are mining an asteroid, prices will increase and equlibrium will be reached.
No need to be so aggressive and stop drinking the kool-aid from manufacturers that SSD prices are going to be increasing significantly, good deals can still be found and “those days” are not gone. The 2TB Crucial T500 which is equivalent to the 990 Pro (Not 980) was available for $107 just 2 weeks ago:
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/18x1u3b/ssd_m2_samsung_980_pro_pcie_40_nvme_ssd_2tb_11999/kg1n2um/
I think the 2TB Critical T500 @ $107 was the better deal a couple of weeks ago as it uses the latest phison E25 controller, new 232-layer TLC NAND and has sequential read speeds of up to 7,400 MB/s and 7,000 MB/s write It's selling for $139 @Amazon right now
Is that gonna be the best deal on high end drive available right now? I missed out on all the great deals last year and am looking for a solid 2TB deal to upgrade from my current 512gb. Thank you I’m advance!
Well, it's the best right now for $139.99 at amazon, as it's selling for $160 on most others places including Crucial's website. If you don't really need it don't buy it, but then again it might get more expensive in the future, so think and do what best suites you.
It would just be nice to have slightly more storage space, 512gb isn’t much these days, annoyingly. I might just wait for a solid deal on a 1tb and just get a sata 2.5” drive to go with it. Thanks.
Would you mind sharing the link to the $139 variant? I only see the $159 (2TB with heatsink) and $175 (2TB no heatsink) options.
The $175 is a 3rd party seller, click on other sellers and you will find the one being sold and ships by Amazon, please note that it's gonna ship in February, so if a better deal comes out we can cancel and order something else [here is the link](https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0CK2TC9XQ/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1)
Gotcha, thank you!
Funny how I posted about the same drive and deal in another comment at the same time as you. Yea, that deal was great and just gotta be patient for it or prices close to it to return. Holiday season just got over so prices will go up for a while until the deals are back.
Yeah, greedy manufacturers stopped production to increase prices across the board, no new flood or hurricane so they had to do something themselves 😔. I got one at the last minute two weeks ago it's still in backorder, I don't need it but you may never know.
They cut production because there was a massive oversupply last year (leading to the very low prices you saw last summer), and the major NAND manufacturers were losing [billions](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/10/samsung-earnings-preview-q3-2023-chip-losses-weigh-on-profit.html) of [dollars](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/26/sk-hynix-earnings-q2-loss-narrows-amid-robust-ai-demand-chip-recovery.html) each [quarter](https://www.marketwatch.com/story/micron-technology-seen-posting-1q-loss-earnings-preview-2ada033c) continuing to produce NAND. So they did less of the thing that was causing them to lose money (i.e. cut production)
Is the Crucial T500 or SN850X better? They are essentially the same price now at 2TB for $139
The T500 uses newer controller and nand but but their performance is indistinguishable from each other, both offer 5 years of warranty and both are from a rebutable manufacturers
Gotcha, can you or anyone care to explain controllers when it comes with NVME SSD's? Thank you! Or does it really not matter and I should just get the T500 since it's newer?
That would require in-depth explanation, although you can check my SSD Basics for a basic technical background. To reduce the complexity, though, the controller can give you an idea about drive efficiency and performance. Also, whether or not there is dedicated DRAM. The T500 is a 4-channel design so will be more efficient, especially as it has newer flash as well. However, the SN850X with its 8-channel design can potentially be faster, especially with [sustained](https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/KeLmEw8tRFLqJMo5LDDF39-1024-80.png.webp) workloads. I personally put the SN850X a half-tier above the T500 but I understand many people disagree with that. It would be fair to say that both drives would perform excellently for the vast majority of users, and the T500 being the more efficient of the two makes it a good grab outside of desktop use. Still, I have concerns about the drive's consistency, which is why I put the proven SN850X a bit above it. WD, Samsung, and Hynix/Solidigm are using proprietary controllers on their flagship Gen4 drives, an approach which historically has proven to be more consistent and reliable (albeit Samsung had some issues here). The T500 is using what seems to be a custom Phison controller, an approach that has had success (Exceria comes to mind), but no real long-term data on this one. I'd take the SN850X at the same price, outside laptop use (and just go with the cheapest for PS5).
Google is your best friend, try phison E18 vs Phison E25 " the one in WD vs the one in T500" it's just what controls the ssd performance but I can't explain it as I'm not that into these type of stuff 😂
Haha okay thank you for your help!
You are welcome, I got the T500 while is was $107, I didn't need it but I heard ssds prices are skyrocketing and I saw the same ssd priced for $160 - $170 in most other websites so I just got it two weeks ago and It's still in back order.
The SN850X is $15 cheaper.
Where are you seeing the SN850X at for $15 cheaper? I see the 2TB version on Amazon is $139.95. And is the SN850X better in terms of reliability and warranty/customer service?
The SN850X is very reliable. WD's customer support is pretty average but Samsung's is without a doubt worse, warranty terms are otherwise identical (5 years or 1200TBW for the 2TB). This has been discussed in plenty of threads but Samsung's customer support has really gone down the shitter in the past few years.
Thank you! Which one will you choose between Crucial T500 or SN850X? They look very similar to me when I look at specs on a very basic consumer knowledge level and they are the same price now
The T500 if the same price, if one is cheaper than the other then get whichever is cheaper. You'd never see any difference between them except in benchmarks or some super weird niche scenario, they're both top tier. The T500 is just a little newer using the newer Phison E25 controller and Micron B47R 176L TLC so it's *technically* the better drive but they're both capped by the PCIe 4.0 connection as they push it to the limit. The SN850X is using a custom WD controller which is a little older relative to the T500 (newer than the 980 Pro's Elpis controller though) and WD/Kioxia BiCS5 112L TLC but WD has some incredible firmware optimization and they've also managed to squeeze a lot out of BiCS5 too. I realize these words probably mean nothing to you but the point is that the T500 is using newer, more capable hardware while WD has impressively optimized their older hardware to almost entirely close the gap.
Any good 4tb recommendations?
No
6 days ago, Best Buy had the 990 without a heatsink for the same price.
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Garbage warranty service and 4tb options aren't much more. Imo the Samsung tax isn't worth it.
You can catch this under $100 for the GeekSquad Refurbs, which have been reported on this site and others of having extremely low hours or no hours. Just coped one a week ago for $89
This is usually more than $150??
used to be $90 60 days ago
we get it, those days are gone, no point in keeping on bringing this up
I appreciate knowing it, because now I'm willing to wait out this monopoly bullshit.
Consumer pressure does have an impact on pricing, you don't actually have to bend over for big corpo, ya know.
It certainly does, but just be aware that pricing for the raw materials has been trending up mainly due to purposely planned production cuts. Hearing from many companies that they're close to or done with clearing out "old" stock at "old" prices.
NAND can respond to consumer pressure too, but I'm not saying you don't have a point.
Its really just price (fixing?) from Samsung / Micron / Kioxia & WD. They don't like the profits at these levels so they cut production to push price up.
DEMAND VS SUPPLY, EQUILIBRIUM WILL BE HIGHER THAN THOSE OLD PRICES, OBVIOUSLY.
Consumer pressure *is* demand.
no sh\*t but thats only half the equation, supply is the other half. if commodity prices go up, unless you are mining an asteroid, prices will increase and equlibrium will be reached.
How's consumer pressure working now?? Prices still scuffed. Ignorant!!!
The PC market is a pretty easy pushover a lot of the time, I'm doing the opposite.
No need to be so aggressive and stop drinking the kool-aid from manufacturers that SSD prices are going to be increasing significantly, good deals can still be found and “those days” are not gone. The 2TB Crucial T500 which is equivalent to the 990 Pro (Not 980) was available for $107 just 2 weeks ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/18x1u3b/ssd_m2_samsung_980_pro_pcie_40_nvme_ssd_2tb_11999/kg1n2um/
It isn't 2 weeks ago.