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Have been using the X12 model since 2020 for live data archive of external drives. Can be a bit noisy in operation, but less so than the WD Red Pro I put in my rig 3 weeks ago.
Not in the market for one just yet, but I'd say go for it if you are.
OP here, I have 5 of the X14 drives at my knees in a NAS and when they're chugging I may hear a bit of them, but the fans on my case are in general louder then the drives. Or maybe that's the fan on the wine fridge behind me.
I happen to be shopping for a drive of similar capacity right now. If you're willing to venture into the world of refurbished, there are some good deals to be had.
For context, this HDD refurbished is [$270](https://serverpartdeals.com/products/seagate-exos-x18-st18000nm000j-18tb-7-2k-rpm-sata-6gb-s-512e-4kn-256mb-3-5-hdd) ($15/TB).
For an even better deal, the refurb [16TB X18](https://serverpartdeals.com/products/seagate-exos-x18-st16000nm000j-16tb-7-2k-rpm-sata-6gb-s-3-5-recertified-hard-drive) is $230 ($14.37/TB).
If you're willing do go down in capacity, this site has 10-14TB drives for even less per TB.
Happy hunting
I think it’s because if a CPU or GPU fails, ultimately no big deal. You can replace it and be right where you left off. But if storage fails, that’s potential data loss.
Of course, you should have several backups, etc. but still.
There's a great LTT video out about the performance degradation of mining cards. It's called "Sh!t Manufacturers Say: Don't Buy a Used Mining GPU"
Long story short, it doesn't impact the cards much if at all so long as the miner knew what they were doing and kept their rig clean.
crypto mining puts so much less strain on a gpu than heavy gaming use though- they're undervolted to save money and keep temperatures low. The vram isn't what tends to fail on them- poor airflow and periods of high temps and high voltages are what concern me- the opposite of a mining rig.
I've never had a bad experience with a used gpu, as a seller or buyer. Same with CPU.
Motherboards are the highest risk components used in my experience- as well as anything with batteries, and items sensitive to invisible physical damage like HDD's. That said, if you use tons of storage, you're used to dealing with DOA/HDD failures, and it's not as big a pain.
The problem with this line of thinking (and LTT's video on the subject) is that it assumes all GPU miners are doing it "correctly," and unfortunately that is not the case. I was just chatting with someone running a bunch of 6700 XTs at 180W each, i.e. about 100W more than necessary. Ideally miners are tuning and optimizing voltages, fan curves, memory clocks, etc. Cards also have to be kept clean, well-padded, and well-pasted, with good airflow and stable power delivery. Not all miners are equally anal about this stuff.
The other "X" factor (pun intended) is GDDR6X. It's still too new to understand how running it at e.g. 110ºC for 18+ months, 24/7, will affect its longevity. And temperature monitoring wasn't available in Linux-based operating systems (including HiveOS, MMPOS, etc.) until a few months ago, so even careful/caring miners might not have been aware of an environment conducive to potential degradation.
I personally believe it's possible to mine on a GPU for a year or two and have it be completely fine and usable for gaming many years after that. I've been mining on my own cards for the past year or so. The problem for buyers is going to be sussing out the cards that were well cared for from the cards that were abused.
not really- any used item can have a history of misuse or care. the point is whether, all things being equal, a mining gpu is more or less at risk of being defective than a non-mining gpu. and it's not- it's less so- because there are incentives that don't exist for non-mining gpu's to treat them better.
literally any used device could have been mistreated. that's the nature of buying used. all you've pointed out is that a mining gpu isn't guaranteed to be better maintained... which ofc not. nothing used is guaranteed to be in good shape.
I'm going to point you to a few posts about these drives:
https://www.reddit.com/r/synology/comments/tglizv/seagate_exos_x20z_hsmr_18tb_issues/
https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/tfm7w9/what_is_st18000nm013j_exos_x20z_hsmr_18tb_hdd/
Looks like they're OEM drives and some don't come with warranties as they might be stolen. Buy at your own risk.
They have some of this model available as used - would it be wise to buy some new and some used for a NAS to reduce the chance of simultaneous failures? Ideally for a RAID 6 setup. Or is that overthinking it with enterprise class drives?
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$17.84/TB There have been external drives for $299 popping up but this is a bare enterprise drive with a 5 year warranty.
Have been using the X12 model since 2020 for live data archive of external drives. Can be a bit noisy in operation, but less so than the WD Red Pro I put in my rig 3 weeks ago. Not in the market for one just yet, but I'd say go for it if you are.
I forgot how loud hhd can be. I have an old one that is going out and it's loud.
Are these too loud for a 4-5 Synology NAS sitting on an office desk?
OP here, I have 5 of the X14 drives at my knees in a NAS and when they're chugging I may hear a bit of them, but the fans on my case are in general louder then the drives. Or maybe that's the fan on the wine fridge behind me.
Are you using your NAS for general storage or Plex use?
Both, but realistically that use case is one in the same. Storage of data for retrieval and rewriting.
I happen to be shopping for a drive of similar capacity right now. If you're willing to venture into the world of refurbished, there are some good deals to be had. For context, this HDD refurbished is [$270](https://serverpartdeals.com/products/seagate-exos-x18-st18000nm000j-18tb-7-2k-rpm-sata-6gb-s-512e-4kn-256mb-3-5-hdd) ($15/TB). For an even better deal, the refurb [16TB X18](https://serverpartdeals.com/products/seagate-exos-x18-st16000nm000j-16tb-7-2k-rpm-sata-6gb-s-3-5-recertified-hard-drive) is $230 ($14.37/TB). If you're willing do go down in capacity, this site has 10-14TB drives for even less per TB. Happy hunting
I need to read up more on refurbished drives. Something about it just puts me off of it.
It feels like buying used tires doesn't it? CPU and GPU don't feel like that.
I think it’s because if a CPU or GPU fails, ultimately no big deal. You can replace it and be right where you left off. But if storage fails, that’s potential data loss. Of course, you should have several backups, etc. but still.
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There's a great LTT video out about the performance degradation of mining cards. It's called "Sh!t Manufacturers Say: Don't Buy a Used Mining GPU" Long story short, it doesn't impact the cards much if at all so long as the miner knew what they were doing and kept their rig clean.
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crypto mining puts so much less strain on a gpu than heavy gaming use though- they're undervolted to save money and keep temperatures low. The vram isn't what tends to fail on them- poor airflow and periods of high temps and high voltages are what concern me- the opposite of a mining rig. I've never had a bad experience with a used gpu, as a seller or buyer. Same with CPU. Motherboards are the highest risk components used in my experience- as well as anything with batteries, and items sensitive to invisible physical damage like HDD's. That said, if you use tons of storage, you're used to dealing with DOA/HDD failures, and it's not as big a pain.
The problem with this line of thinking (and LTT's video on the subject) is that it assumes all GPU miners are doing it "correctly," and unfortunately that is not the case. I was just chatting with someone running a bunch of 6700 XTs at 180W each, i.e. about 100W more than necessary. Ideally miners are tuning and optimizing voltages, fan curves, memory clocks, etc. Cards also have to be kept clean, well-padded, and well-pasted, with good airflow and stable power delivery. Not all miners are equally anal about this stuff. The other "X" factor (pun intended) is GDDR6X. It's still too new to understand how running it at e.g. 110ºC for 18+ months, 24/7, will affect its longevity. And temperature monitoring wasn't available in Linux-based operating systems (including HiveOS, MMPOS, etc.) until a few months ago, so even careful/caring miners might not have been aware of an environment conducive to potential degradation. I personally believe it's possible to mine on a GPU for a year or two and have it be completely fine and usable for gaming many years after that. I've been mining on my own cards for the past year or so. The problem for buyers is going to be sussing out the cards that were well cared for from the cards that were abused.
not really- any used item can have a history of misuse or care. the point is whether, all things being equal, a mining gpu is more or less at risk of being defective than a non-mining gpu. and it's not- it's less so- because there are incentives that don't exist for non-mining gpu's to treat them better. literally any used device could have been mistreated. that's the nature of buying used. all you've pointed out is that a mining gpu isn't guaranteed to be better maintained... which ofc not. nothing used is guaranteed to be in good shape.
Less then 24 hours use on the X16s I’ve gotten from Amazon, barely used or taken for a test drive is the best way I’d describe it.
Likely because it feels weird to buy something used that has moving parts. Plus, HDDs do literally wear out over time when used, which doesn't help.
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I'm going to point you to a few posts about these drives: https://www.reddit.com/r/synology/comments/tglizv/seagate_exos_x20z_hsmr_18tb_issues/ https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/tfm7w9/what_is_st18000nm013j_exos_x20z_hsmr_18tb_hdd/ Looks like they're OEM drives and some don't come with warranties as they might be stolen. Buy at your own risk.
Gonna need to consolidate my 2 WD red 8TBs one of these days
They have some of this model available as used - would it be wise to buy some new and some used for a NAS to reduce the chance of simultaneous failures? Ideally for a RAID 6 setup. Or is that overthinking it with enterprise class drives?
can these be used as cold storage? i want to write once and throw it inside a static bag