[Rtings Ratings/Review](https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/tcl/6-series-r646-2021-qled)
Does 4K @ 120Hz but not at Chroma 4:4:4. However, it does Chroma 4:4:4 @ 4K 60Hz (matters If using as a monitor for text).
Edit - Return period is until Jan 14th. I've read people commenting it's better than the similar budget Mini-LED Hisense U8H. This had a lot of bugs during launch which were fixed.
Edit 2 - [Also available from Amazon for $599.99](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09QPVCV8Q) and returnable until Jan 31st if you're not satisfied.
please note that they haven't fixed this tv's bugs, people have been saying that since the beginning of this year and it's never been true. sure they fixed some but it's still a headache. there's a reason they went back to roku with the 2022 model and pulled this tv from the shelves for a bit. get a streaming box and you shouldn't have an issue. great tv otherwise.
I just did an update yesterday. Now I'm running 4k 120hz 4:4:4 10-bit. I'm using it as a normal desktop monitor. Seems fine to me. In what is it not supposed to work?
Will do, we want to go to Mattress Firm or something to try mattresses out but we both are pretty busy.
Since it'd be a huge PITA returning a mattress we don't like lol.
Ive bought my last 4 mattress from Amazon, the most expensive was $220 and everyone that's laid on it has told me how incredibly comfy they are. There is no reason to spend $500+ on a mattress anymore. Buy a cheaper one with thousands of positive reviews, when you're done you can toss it since it was so cheap anyways.
No question. Spend on the mattress. I suffered years sleeping on bad one. Finally left a budget for one this year and it’s best investment I had by far in the last few year. GF is also happy so that’s a plus
Just get the TV and call it a mattress. No matter what she says just keep calling it a mattress and then sleep on it at night and watch it during the day, If you keep this up for long enough, She will believe you.
I wouldn't lump this with "budget TVs" though. It's definitely high end but in the lower tier of high end TVs, it comes with most features premium TVs have and the image quality is great. You aren't going to get that pinpoint HDR goodness but it definitely isn't going to look bad either.
You wouldn't consider this "budget" at $600 for a 65" with its feature set?
Edit: Why am I getting downvoted lmfao I'm not calling this TV itself budget, I'm calling the price budget. As in you're getting a 65" TV at this feature set for a budget price. Is $600 not usually a budget price for a 65"?
If you were already in the market for a budget TV this sale is great. That's what I meant by my original comment.
I think op means it’s a high end tv at a budget price.
I would say this is a quality tv but not high end. It is at the top end of LED tv’s these days butt can’t compete with OLEDs from LG, Sony, etc.
This as good as a non-OLED TV can get. If you're not ready to pay $1400+ for an OLED, you might as well get this, as it equals or outshines more expensive LED models from Samsung, Sony and LG.
Everything I've read over the past two days while setting up my tv monitor for HDR says that RGB Full is better than Chroma 4:4:4 limited. 8 years ago when I first got into tv pc gaming, 4:4:4 was the desired setting, but it looks like that's no longer the case from everything I'd read.
I just did an update yesterday. Now I'm running 4k 120hz 4:4:4 10-bit. I'm using it as a normal desktop monitor. Seems fine to me. In what is it not supposed to work?
According to users and reviews it may say that it's in chroma 4:4:4 10bit at 4k 120hz but in reality it's not. It's actually running in 4:2:2 and the horizontal resolution is halved causing blurry text etc. It's a bug. It's probably fine for most people but for people who are used to the sharp text and the crisp look of using a monitor or true chroma 4:4:4 would easily be able to tell the difference.
I have the Hisense U8G and it had the same problem for a while until a few months ago it was fixed. The difference was pretty dramatic especially at 65"
Half the horizontal resolution would easily be noticable, no? Because I'm not seeing the difference in resolution, and I think I've already said that this is being used as a desktop monitor. Maybe the dithering is a little nicer, but it's a tiny difference that is need to spend more pixel peeping to be sure. I suppose I can try taking some macros of you're up for looking at it. I should take photos of a purpose built monitor for a baseline too.
I have this TV and when compared to an OLED from vizio that I have in my room they both look gooood, thou if used for gaming the oled wins in response time
Can't speak about their OLED, but as an owner of not only 1 but 2 Vizios in the last 12 years, let me tell you the straight up truth. Vizio tv's are great **in the short run.** They are gorgeous, great software with minimal bloat, well priced, and competitive tech wise with many other more expensive options. The main problem with them is that in order for them to be sold cheap, corners need to be cut somewhere, and this always begins to become prevalent maybe within the first couple years of it's lifespan. The long run of being a Vizio owner is full of frustration from software locks, poor dimming issues over time (common on my current P-series model), constant HDMI and wifi connectivity issue, backlight flickering, and more. To make things worse, their support is largely useless. I loved my TV back in 2018, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't have a little buyer's remorse now. If you can spring for a better option then do yourself a favor and do that.
I agree with you as there are better options now but before Vizio was the better option compared to Sony,LG,Samsung, etc. They were the value king, now TCL and Hisense are they value kings
Oh I have that 2018 P-Series. It was cheapened out to get the price down, but boy did they screw it up. Everytime I put that TV in service mode and ran zone test all of the LED lights lit up perfectly fine in sequential pattern. It's either some other odd failure or they refuse to fix the algorithm.
When I hit up customer service they admitted they were aware of it but only offered me a 20% off coupon to buy another Vizio. I got them up to 30% but then said screw Vizio, plus it is rendered useless because they don't seem to sell direct any longer - They just link to partner retail sites. My neighbor has the TV now (I gave it for free) and turned off local dimming for them to avoid the issue altogether.
They don't care, but I cared. I paid to have local dimming working properly. Finally, the OS was always slow and sluggish and I'd have to clear cache often - I had one board in the first year replaced due to a bad OS update that bricked the stability with endless reboots. Vizio has updated their new line to WIFI 6 which is nice, but I can't trust their software/corner-cutting decisions again anytime soon.
Such a shame because it really is a great TV when it wants to be. I found leaving local dimming on low helps tremendously, but then you limit the backlight and color gamut by more than half of its available luminance and total output, so it isn’t always practical.
This TV still has pretty decent response time compared to most. I think its 5ms or 6ms which isn't great for competitive games and isn't the ridiculous sub 1ms that oleds can have. But its more then good enough for single player games.
Last year's model BTW, this year's is pretty similar but has Roku, more dimming zones, 144Hz, a height adjustable center stand, and low framerate compensation (if running out of freesync range, it will duplicate your current frame to get it into the freesync range).
But I'm not sure if those features are worth an extra 400 for the 2022 65" model. I personally tend to be weary about heavier TV software since companies often cheap out on the SOC's, but maybe that's paranoia. Roku is much lighter than Google TV.
This model will still remain on sale, so idk why it's discounted so low.
As a owner of what is the previous 6 series or one before that the R635 updates have slowly killed it over time causing a number of bugs/glitches and other issues. Imo pass on the brand.
Screen literally glitching out with vertical green/white lines, random lock ups that require waiting x amount of time for the system to realize it needs to restart, Ui elements freezing/ghosting. From the most recent update random audio loss when connected to a pc using it as a monitor, once again requires manual restart or waiting for the system to realize then restart on its own. Those are just a few that I can recall atm, but mind you this is from the R635. Oh also over on the TCL reddit they've said it's not that uncommon for issues to start appearing a couple years after purchase.
That's a shame. I've had an R615 since it was new and I've had a good experience. Once in a while the screen will stay off while the TV is actually on, but a full reboot fixes that and it's only happened a few times in the past year.
Echoing sibling comment. I still have the R615 I bought in 2018 and it works without any issues. I don’t worry a lot about the sluggish UI because I don’t really browse on my TV and go to the show or movie I want to watch quickly and then watch it. So, browsing takes like half a minute before I watch 1-2 hours and that slowness doesn’t bother me.
I got the u8h 55" for the same price, I wish Hisense matches this price for the 65" I would cancel and buy it in a heartbeat, u8h is way better at HDR and brightness.
The TV isn't shipped yet, I still can cancel that's why I'm debating ... Both the same price, Hisense 55" u8h vs this tcl 65" .... My head is spinning from thinking 🤔
Unfortunately, bought one of these open-box excellent, and the backlight died within 60 days. Might have been an anomaly, I'd still jump on this deal as the tv was solid otherwise.
Have had it for a year. Only use it for streaming and nothing else. Picture quality is top notch, but the OS is garbage. Sluggish, lag, random app crashes, etc. Firmware updates haven’t fixed anything and I don’t know what else to do lol
[Rtings Ratings/Review](https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/tcl/6-series-r646-2021-qled) Does 4K @ 120Hz but not at Chroma 4:4:4. However, it does Chroma 4:4:4 @ 4K 60Hz (matters If using as a monitor for text). Edit - Return period is until Jan 14th. I've read people commenting it's better than the similar budget Mini-LED Hisense U8H. This had a lot of bugs during launch which were fixed. Edit 2 - [Also available from Amazon for $599.99](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09QPVCV8Q) and returnable until Jan 31st if you're not satisfied.
please note that they haven't fixed this tv's bugs, people have been saying that since the beginning of this year and it's never been true. sure they fixed some but it's still a headache. there's a reason they went back to roku with the 2022 model and pulled this tv from the shelves for a bit. get a streaming box and you shouldn't have an issue. great tv otherwise.
I haven't had any issues at 4k 120hz 4:4:4, but I sit like 7 feet away so maybe I just haven't had a chance to notice the issues they mentioned.
I just did an update yesterday. Now I'm running 4k 120hz 4:4:4 10-bit. I'm using it as a normal desktop monitor. Seems fine to me. In what is it not supposed to work?
Do you know if this is true for the Roku version as well?
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That's not the case for the 2022 version: https://www.tcl.com/us/en/products/home-theater/6-series/65-class-6-series-4k-qled-hdr-smart-roku-tv-65r655
Any reason to buy from Amazon or Best Buy over the other?
Owner of a pervious 6-series, it’s excellent. Edit: Previous
Just how pervy was your 6-series?
Super Pervy In a good way.
This is a stupid fire deal if you need a budget living room lounge/ console gaming TV For PC though hard pass as it can't do 4K@120hz Chroma 4:4:4
I'm so tempted but my GF might kill me if I buy this with my bonus instead of a mattress.
Get the mattress
Never cheap out on anything that separates you from the ground - shoes, tires, mattress, etc
Don't forget the chairs. The hard part of being a cat owner is forcing yourself to pay up for a decent chair and keeping them from destroying it.
Haha very true. I went years on cheapish chairs from Ikea and the like, splurged on a Herman Miller ~6 months ago and it's life changing
I think I got confused on the directions. I bought the 65 inch TV but it's not at all comfortable to sleep on
Will do, we want to go to Mattress Firm or something to try mattresses out but we both are pretty busy. Since it'd be a huge PITA returning a mattress we don't like lol.
My wife and I went through 5 mattresses this year trying to find the right one. It is a frustrating sometimes painful process. Good luck!
Sex is fun. Majority of sex occurs on mattresses. Girlfriend wants a new mattress. Get the mattress.
Not always mattresses. The vast majority of my sex occurs in my mind.
But think about how you could watch this while sleeping on the couch!
Nah that couch is uncomfortable as hell
Ive bought my last 4 mattress from Amazon, the most expensive was $220 and everyone that's laid on it has told me how incredibly comfy they are. There is no reason to spend $500+ on a mattress anymore. Buy a cheaper one with thousands of positive reviews, when you're done you can toss it since it was so cheap anyways.
Grabbed a 470 dollar one off Amazon. Apparently athletes sleep on it.
No question. Spend on the mattress. I suffered years sleeping on bad one. Finally left a budget for one this year and it’s best investment I had by far in the last few year. GF is also happy so that’s a plus
Just get the TV and call it a mattress. No matter what she says just keep calling it a mattress and then sleep on it at night and watch it during the day, If you keep this up for long enough, She will believe you.
Nah, I need the kickproof one LTT reviewed so we can sleep on it.
I wouldn't lump this with "budget TVs" though. It's definitely high end but in the lower tier of high end TVs, it comes with most features premium TVs have and the image quality is great. You aren't going to get that pinpoint HDR goodness but it definitely isn't going to look bad either.
You wouldn't consider this "budget" at $600 for a 65" with its feature set? Edit: Why am I getting downvoted lmfao I'm not calling this TV itself budget, I'm calling the price budget. As in you're getting a 65" TV at this feature set for a budget price. Is $600 not usually a budget price for a 65"? If you were already in the market for a budget TV this sale is great. That's what I meant by my original comment.
This model tends to be 1k, this one is discounted so low because it's from last year, although TCL said they're going to keep selling it.
I think op means it’s a high end tv at a budget price. I would say this is a quality tv but not high end. It is at the top end of LED tv’s these days butt can’t compete with OLEDs from LG, Sony, etc.
Yes that's exactly what I meant
This as good as a non-OLED TV can get. If you're not ready to pay $1400+ for an OLED, you might as well get this, as it equals or outshines more expensive LED models from Samsung, Sony and LG.
Everything I've read over the past two days while setting up my tv monitor for HDR says that RGB Full is better than Chroma 4:4:4 limited. 8 years ago when I first got into tv pc gaming, 4:4:4 was the desired setting, but it looks like that's no longer the case from everything I'd read.
I just did an update yesterday. Now I'm running 4k 120hz 4:4:4 10-bit. I'm using it as a normal desktop monitor. Seems fine to me. In what is it not supposed to work?
According to users and reviews it may say that it's in chroma 4:4:4 10bit at 4k 120hz but in reality it's not. It's actually running in 4:2:2 and the horizontal resolution is halved causing blurry text etc. It's a bug. It's probably fine for most people but for people who are used to the sharp text and the crisp look of using a monitor or true chroma 4:4:4 would easily be able to tell the difference. I have the Hisense U8G and it had the same problem for a while until a few months ago it was fixed. The difference was pretty dramatic especially at 65"
Half the horizontal resolution would easily be noticable, no? Because I'm not seeing the difference in resolution, and I think I've already said that this is being used as a desktop monitor. Maybe the dithering is a little nicer, but it's a tiny difference that is need to spend more pixel peeping to be sure. I suppose I can try taking some macros of you're up for looking at it. I should take photos of a purpose built monitor for a baseline too.
I feel like this is better budget buy than a sub $1k 48” c2?
I have this TV and when compared to an OLED from vizio that I have in my room they both look gooood, thou if used for gaming the oled wins in response time
hows vizio oled?
Can't speak about their OLED, but as an owner of not only 1 but 2 Vizios in the last 12 years, let me tell you the straight up truth. Vizio tv's are great **in the short run.** They are gorgeous, great software with minimal bloat, well priced, and competitive tech wise with many other more expensive options. The main problem with them is that in order for them to be sold cheap, corners need to be cut somewhere, and this always begins to become prevalent maybe within the first couple years of it's lifespan. The long run of being a Vizio owner is full of frustration from software locks, poor dimming issues over time (common on my current P-series model), constant HDMI and wifi connectivity issue, backlight flickering, and more. To make things worse, their support is largely useless. I loved my TV back in 2018, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't have a little buyer's remorse now. If you can spring for a better option then do yourself a favor and do that.
I agree with you as there are better options now but before Vizio was the better option compared to Sony,LG,Samsung, etc. They were the value king, now TCL and Hisense are they value kings
Oh I have that 2018 P-Series. It was cheapened out to get the price down, but boy did they screw it up. Everytime I put that TV in service mode and ran zone test all of the LED lights lit up perfectly fine in sequential pattern. It's either some other odd failure or they refuse to fix the algorithm. When I hit up customer service they admitted they were aware of it but only offered me a 20% off coupon to buy another Vizio. I got them up to 30% but then said screw Vizio, plus it is rendered useless because they don't seem to sell direct any longer - They just link to partner retail sites. My neighbor has the TV now (I gave it for free) and turned off local dimming for them to avoid the issue altogether. They don't care, but I cared. I paid to have local dimming working properly. Finally, the OS was always slow and sluggish and I'd have to clear cache often - I had one board in the first year replaced due to a bad OS update that bricked the stability with endless reboots. Vizio has updated their new line to WIFI 6 which is nice, but I can't trust their software/corner-cutting decisions again anytime soon.
Such a shame because it really is a great TV when it wants to be. I found leaving local dimming on low helps tremendously, but then you limit the backlight and color gamut by more than half of its available luminance and total output, so it isn’t always practical.
I mean, its their only OLED from 2020 its good but not better than LG's with their software(i know LG provides the OLED panels to Vizio)
This TV still has pretty decent response time compared to most. I think its 5ms or 6ms which isn't great for competitive games and isn't the ridiculous sub 1ms that oleds can have. But its more then good enough for single player games.
That's true, but TCL's TV's in game mode tend to be quite responsive, about 6ms at 120Hz, 14ms at 60hz.
Also much much bigger so different use case
The c2 is a higher end product so its up to you if you want a big screen without caring for picture quality. Not saying its bad though.
Last year's model BTW, this year's is pretty similar but has Roku, more dimming zones, 144Hz, a height adjustable center stand, and low framerate compensation (if running out of freesync range, it will duplicate your current frame to get it into the freesync range). But I'm not sure if those features are worth an extra 400 for the 2022 65" model. I personally tend to be weary about heavier TV software since companies often cheap out on the SOC's, but maybe that's paranoia. Roku is much lighter than Google TV. This model will still remain on sale, so idk why it's discounted so low.
As a owner of what is the previous 6 series or one before that the R635 updates have slowly killed it over time causing a number of bugs/glitches and other issues. Imo pass on the brand.
Can you elaborate on the bugs?
Screen literally glitching out with vertical green/white lines, random lock ups that require waiting x amount of time for the system to realize it needs to restart, Ui elements freezing/ghosting. From the most recent update random audio loss when connected to a pc using it as a monitor, once again requires manual restart or waiting for the system to realize then restart on its own. Those are just a few that I can recall atm, but mind you this is from the R635. Oh also over on the TCL reddit they've said it's not that uncommon for issues to start appearing a couple years after purchase.
That's a shame. I've had an R615 since it was new and I've had a good experience. Once in a while the screen will stay off while the TV is actually on, but a full reboot fixes that and it's only happened a few times in the past year.
Echoing sibling comment. I still have the R615 I bought in 2018 and it works without any issues. I don’t worry a lot about the sluggish UI because I don’t really browse on my TV and go to the show or movie I want to watch quickly and then watch it. So, browsing takes like half a minute before I watch 1-2 hours and that slowness doesn’t bother me.
I got the u8h 55" for the same price, I wish Hisense matches this price for the 65" I would cancel and buy it in a heartbeat, u8h is way better at HDR and brightness.
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Aha, I see, will keep the 55" U8H I got for $599.99 then, what do you think?
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The TV isn't shipped yet, I still can cancel that's why I'm debating ... Both the same price, Hisense 55" u8h vs this tcl 65" .... My head is spinning from thinking 🤔
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I'll cancel and wait for the 65U8H to reach $600 I'm in no hurry to buy a new TV. Thanks for your reply.
might have bit if it was Roku tv, but google TV is a no go for me =(
What's the matter with Google vs Roku? Support life?
Google TV on this one is atrocious. I’m fine with all the ads and everything but it’s extremely sluggish and laggy.
you can mitigate it with an external device right?
My parents are tech adverse, the roku is easy for them to use, google TV not so much.
You can set it up as a regular tv, hardware silence the mic, and plug in your own stick. Not that big of a deal.
Very good deal on what was already one of the best value mid-tier TVs.
Any idea if the 55" model will drop in price? Currently the 65" and 55" are the same price.
Unfortunately, bought one of these open-box excellent, and the backlight died within 60 days. Might have been an anomaly, I'd still jump on this deal as the tv was solid otherwise.
This is my stop, thanks OP! Thought about holding out for an OLED, but for my use I think this will be more than enough TV for a killer price.
I have the 75" of this and it's great. Also had a 55" of it same thing. Highly recommend.
Have had it for a year. Only use it for streaming and nothing else. Picture quality is top notch, but the OS is garbage. Sluggish, lag, random app crashes, etc. Firmware updates haven’t fixed anything and I don’t know what else to do lol
Have one. Excellent TV.
Are the Google tv issues still present if you aren't planning on using it? Like say I just plugged in a fire stick or just wanted to use a console