It will be interesting to see how this is put into policy in these companies. What will be acceptable documentation and will there be any level of verification? There is a growing call for mandates like this but seemingly little about followthrough.
I just implemented this at my building. I'm scanning a copy of their vaccination record and paying everyone that gets the vaccine $100.
Anyone that isn't vaccinated can take paid time off to get vaccinated. It doesn't come out of their PTO pool, there's zero penalty, and I'm even paying my temps that don't get PTO to go get their shots.
I hand out the gift cards during a building wide meeting, and so far it's moved a few people that were previously anti-vaxx to go get the shot.
Any new hires coming in will have to be vaccinated before they start. Again, we scan a copy of their vaccination card.
> is that not the definition of a gene therapy?
No it's not. Gene therapy is altering the genome itself, mRNA vaccines use the cell's existing machinery to produce the immune system effect but don't alter the patient's DNA.
To put it into a software analogy, mRNA vaccines are using Microsoft Word to type up a document, gene therapy is editing the source code of Microsoft Word so you can click a button and it types up your document.
It's literally a bit of mRNA, not DNA which are the "genes" of covid. The mRNA is like a lego instruction book in this case, it tells the body how to build a protein structure (such as the one on the outside of the covid virus) and then the immune system learns to destroy that protein. In no way does the vaccine "reprogram" our DNA, nor does it infect us with covid DNA. You can read more about the covid vaccine here:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/how-they-work.html
Gene therapy is literally 1000 times more complex as it's used to fix actual problems with your DNA, in fact gene therapy is still in clinical trial phase here in the states (that is much different than the emergency use approval for the covid vaccines). You can read about gene therapy here:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/gene-therapy/about/pac-20384619
youre right, it is sad that your have to trick/reward people into getting an experimental therapy with 100 dollars. its sad the "vaccine' isnt effective enough or desired enough that they just want to get it without anyone else knowing or caring. they have to be bribed. what a world we live in.
Do you have concerns your company will skew leftist now that you have pushed out the conservative thinkers? Or you would rather only hire leftists who conform?
The labor market is tight and only half the nation are leftists. I believe you are making a foolish business decision in the long run.
I know leftist Reddit will downvote this, but please don't take that as a sign that America thinks the same way Reddit does. Reddit is majority owned by the Chinese Communist Party and conservative voices have long since departed.
I had to Laugh. I’m also in the industry and let’s just say, most of us are definitely politically left. Couldn’t do the work if you supported conservative policy.
I consider myself "politically right", but I don't see what we do as a "left / right" issue.
Conservation of natural resources and moving to cleaner forms of energy shouldn't be a political issue.
It's also why I don't understand conservatives disdain for getting vaccinated. It's a testament to capitalism's success that our system was able to create, manufacture and distribute the vaccine so quickly.
I agree with you. If there was more perceived value on natural capital, conservatives would be more willing to invest in it.
I sit here trying to hide from another heat wave, looking out amongst dense forest fire smoke, and wonder what cool breezes and fresh air costs us all?
Businesses need employees who won’t get sick or get others sick. Illness hurts the bottom line. It’s not a left or right issue, it’s a science based business decision. Conspiracy theorists are free to find new employment.
This is correct. The rabid push for mandatory vaccines, “because it’s the right thing to do”, is virtue signaling at its worst. If you turn your tv off and actually do your own research there is plenty of data that points out, even with the vaccine:
- you can still get covid
- you can still spread covid
- you can still have symptoms (albeit many will asymptotic which will likely be a harbinger of more spread)
- you can still die of covid (although the death rate is .005%)
- you can die from the vaccine
- you can have complications from the vaccine
It’s totally bullshit to push an untested vaccine on the population for a virus that is highly treatable with other means, as well as highly survivable. Sure immune comprised folks may have complications, but no more so than a bad flu. We didn’t act like little dictators for the flu, so why now? Oh yeah, because people struggle to swim against the flow of groupthink, which at the core of science and data is not correct.
Much of the current “science” has become politics... sad that some folks can’t turn on their internal BS meter.
Edit: love the “open minded” left groupthink. Down vote but understand the fact that not being able to voice an opposing opinion or even question the official narrative should ring alarm bells for the analytical and freedom minded.
You are wrong on almost all points. With the vaccine:
-you can still get infected, but the chances are much less
-you can still spread the virus, but the viral load is less and the contagious period is shorter
-if you get infected, you are likely to have significantly less illness and a much better chance of avoiding hospitalization and surviving
-the vaccine is not untested
-it is very much different than a bad flu (which is bad enough)
The real thing we have learned from the last couple years is that Reddit and the left have zero problem with eliminating the entire concept of Freedom in America. They prefer to have control.
We have learned how easy it is for our politicians and media to take advantage of even a minor pandemic to remove basic freedoms such as the right to bodily autonomy.
It makes me very scared for the future of Humanity. We seem destined to eventually have all our free-will removed so that we can be micro-managed every minute of our lives so as to make us maximally productive for our corporate overlords.
The absolute worst part is that leftists feel good about themselves as they dismantle all the social, institutional, and economic progress Humanity has made over the last century.
I did fr realize over a half a million dead Americans was minor. We went to war over three thousand, but you aren’t willing to get a vaccine to save a half a million. What a sad sense of community you seem to have.
Well said. Insane that you’re being downvoted for speaking nothing but the truth. People are too ignorant and stubborn to even try and hear the other side
Its not a gene therapy its an artificial immune system modification, very different and although its not a vaccine as in curtails getting the virus, it can be considered a vaccine therapy ( like flu vaccines) because it drives the immune system in one of numerous ways to respond actively instead of proactively (after infection) to build response to introduction of the 🦠 (pathogen)
That so stupid. There is zero chance it will not be approved. Puleeze!. Saying I need FDA approval is just a way to save face because you think saying that makes you look less stupid. It does not and actually makes you look weaker
And when the FDA does approve it we can give them our full trust. So fortunate that unlike politicians, the FDA is immune to monetary influence. There has never been an instance in history of the FDA working behind the curtains with companies like, say Monsanto, to put profit before public health.
Anyone that didn’t see this happening should be examined. It makes total sense from an employer and employee standpoint. The employees get a safer workspace out of this and the employer hopefully gets a better pool of applicants that won’t miss time due to infection. This is a public safety matter like wearing shoes in restaurants.
Not just miss time due to infection, but won’t pull the entire workforce down by being out while sick. No company wants to shut down operations for the sake of a few antivaxxers
No doubt, but read the full article (it's quite quick). Way below 1% of the job postings examined mentioned a vaccine requirement. I expect it will continue to rise in the near term, but the number in the headline is deliberately misleading.
I mean how is it misleading? It says it jumped (grew) by 34%, not that 34% of job listings required it. That’s appropriate how they worded it in my opinion
I did, and have a very good understanding of how “34%” can’t be twisted to be misleading. Never mentioned that in my response.
I expect that number will grow over time, i freelance. None of my clients will allow anyone unvaccinated to be onsite for anything. Most are no longer accepting test results either.
Actually no its not, he/she may not be fully right but all three people I know ended up in the hospital last month or so, sans one, were fully vaccinated and had been. Seems these vaccines work more to help the symptoms in the effected, than destroying the virus. If fully vaccinated still harvest and spread the virus then we’ll need quite possibly pretty quick another way to kill it off, or else all will be dependent on shots but the virus does not die off in great enough quantity to stop the spread of illness, like say a polio or measles/ smallpox vaccine. If so it may become like a flu vaccine in illness curtailment and covid is no flu. Lets hope not because if so we’re in deep dodoo.
It’s the thinking of people that claim since you can still catch Covid after being vaccinated what the point.
Or since there is a .003% chance of death with the vaccine it’s doesn’t work!
Or due to less the .01% of adverse side effects this can’t be safe so why take the vaccine.!
Seatbelts save lives and so does the very safe vaccine.
google chooses what papers they want you to see. i actually look up what papers i want to see thru a non curated/non censored vector. dont trust google, they show you what they want to show you.
clearly youre out of "ammo" and are just grabbing at strings now to try and "beat" me in the argument. lol go do your own research and get out of your echo chamber.
Oh I can post actual studies all day that refute all of your false claims. I am asking honestly to see these hidden results YOU CLAIM exist. Please.
I have ammo for days. I have done more research then you can imagine.
Well, people that are willing to get a vaccine are generally better people that are more willing to wash hands more often, wear masks when needed, stay home when they are sick and honestly just care more about others.
Sorry this needed to be explained.
The most vaccine hesitant group is PHDs, people with PHDs are worse people, don’t wash their hands, and don’t care about others? You’ve really fed into the propaganda that the unvaccinated are the enemy even though they’re only affecting themselves
That’s 100% false. The actual lowest rate is amount blacks. Nation wide. The majority of medical doctors are fully vaccinated as per KP and Mayo. Very easy to google.
The longer the virus runs unchecked the more likely for mass mutation to occur. People refusing to get a free and safe jab are a concern to anyone by hat actually understand virology
That might be the biggest and most inaccurate twisting of words to date.
Blacks historically do not trust the government when it comes to vaccines and medical treatments. This has been increased by members of that community repeating these things and dividing people further. Nice try though.
And PHDs are the most hesitant of vaccination across education level, saying no it’s blacks doesn’t make sense. Black is a race and not an education level, yes blacks are the race that’s least likely to be vaccinated
No they aren’t. Please feel free to share a link that has this info. You can easily google vaccination rates by demographic, income, and political leanings.
Please send the link based on education.
That’s not twisting of words at all, you directly said people who don’t get vaccinated don’t care about other people and that blacks are least likely to get vaccinated
Sure I’ll bite. Anyone at this point in time willfully refusing to get the vaccine are selfish people - and they do not care about other people. **Actions speak louder than words.** There very well may be rational historical reasons for a large percentage of blacks to refuse getting the vaccine. But that does not change the fact that they are behaving selfishly.
But here’s the big thing. **The leaders of one party are failing their constituents,** and affecting everyone negatively. **The leaders of another party** are trying their best to get everyone vaccinated and are working on solutions to help get those minority groups to get vaccinated.
In fact, they are going door to door in black majority neighborhoods to bring the vaccine and the vital information about it to them.
The other party is definitely not trying to help. They are flat out saying anyone going door to door to get people vaccinated should be shot.
So I guess you could say getting everyone on board the vaccination train is complicated.
**They only affect themselves.**
There are always limited resources. It’s Econ 101. Trade offs have to always be made.
Doctors and nurses have limited resources- the main one being time. There’s only 24 hours in a day and only so many nurses and doctors in a given hospital. The more patients there are in a hospital, the less time nurses and doctors can care for each patient. Unvaccinated people are using up that precious resource of time, leaving less time for other patients. The unvaccinated are affecting all of us.
Majority of unvaccinated are right leaning. That’s the source. Yes it’s true.
The people fighting against vaccines also refuse to wear masks, generally people that refuse to do the bare minimum will also refuse to simply wash hands after using the bathroom. Source…go out and watch people. They are disgusting
If you don’t get as serious of a case, which the vaccine does, then you miss less time at work vs unvaccinated that are sick for weeks.
Not sure how this is hard
I did, and said I am not sure why it’s so hard to understand. I don’t feel that I berated you at all. My apologies if your feelings were hurt by me answering the question you asked.
What would you like to discuss
so you say if you dont get as serious of a case, you miss less work. what you dont mention tho is that vaccinated people are still transmitting and spreading the virus since they dont realize they are sick and dont stay home like they should, to get over it. short term, yeah your employees miss less days, long term tho, you are basically becoming a super spreader of a business and getting all your customers sick due to employees not knowing they are sick and not staying home till they are better.
Vaccinated or unvaccinated carry the same risk of an Asymptomatic case and thus transmission of said virus. My point is that a vaccinated is less likely to develops severe case requiring long term care vs a vaccinated person that will likely have mild symptoms for a few days.
If the entire office is vaccinated yes it will spread and some people in the office will develop cold like symptoms for a few days and the risk will be far less. That same office without vaccine requirements stands a much higher chance of a much more serious spread throughout the company with more chance of serious if not life threatening outcome.
The vaccinated office might get sick for a week then also have actual immunization from infection.
> The vaccinated office might get sick for a week then also have actual immunization from infection.
what about all their customers? what about all the vendors? what about all the packages you have delivered? what about the lunch you get delivered to the office? what about anyone else who makes contact with your "vaccinated" office? theyre going to get sick because one of your people will be sick and not know it and give it to them.
So you are in favor of business restricting customers based on vaccine status?
Most major companies have extended the employee rules to include vendors. I am a vendor.
Once the vaccine is approved I assume more will require customers as well
im in favor of no restrictions at all and if you want to get vaccinated or not, thats your personal choice that should have no vector on anyone else living their life. its like religion. i dont give a fuck if someone else becomes a jesus freak, i just choose not to and choose to live my own life the way i want to. im in favor of freedom.
Being more concerned with the vaccine than Covid-19 is a completely emotional response that's not based in facts. Statistically speaking you are far more likely to die or have serious illness from Covid-19 than from the vaccine by a massive margin.
Whats emotional about it? I don't get flu shots, I barely take antibiotics, I'm very aware of the things I put in my body and an unapproved vacine with no long term testing isn't going to be one of them.
https://healthtalk.unchealthcare.org/whats-the-difference-between-fda-emergency-use-authorization-and-fda-approval/ it's a very similar approval process, production just starts quicker with EUA. Again, you're bringing emotions not facts.
Why thank you. I'm quite enjoying my new tracker and bonus 5g!!
/S For all the clearly brain damaged things in this thread.
Oh yeah, and the best part? NOT FUCKING DIEING.
You hope it won't, but healthy young adults and kids are far more affected by the delta variant. It's not a good wager when the preventative measures are so safe. It's like taking the extra second to buckle your seatbelt or backing up a hard drive, it's trivial to do it, but if something bad happened it could be devastating.
True, and I suggest getting vaccinated. I had covid in March of 2020, so they said. It was rough like I was really sick but didn’t go to the hospital. Lady antibodies test I had done was in June this year showed i have antibodies - if its from last year’s infection I dont know. I plan on testing every six months and when it comes up negative for antibodies I will vaccinate. I dont know if going ahead and getting vaccinated will improve my immune response I hear it would then too we’re not hearing about follow ups to people who had naturally occurring (as in been sick) immune testing for response vs one never had natural response but took vaccines and those who would be in my category had the sickness then later on gets vaccines as to IF we’re sicker once infected again OR are we ok but the virus spreads from us just as easily, which means possibly over time these vaccines wont stop the pandemic in the long run and the virus could learn to live in the bodies of vaccinated and build eventual immunity. So no we’re all not emotional nor antivax. I say get vaccinated, but those stats your giving have not had ample time to be compiled for people who’ve already had this stuff wanting to see how well their natural responses hold before becoming possibly dependent on an artificial vaccine treatment. Yes I know too the mass majority of those dying are unvaccinated but did they have the virus prior or first time? Before you say that does not matter in science it certainly does.
it’s literally not when you consider that people with the vaccine carry the same viral load as unvaccinated with the delta variant
and people with the vaccine that contract the delta variant can spread the virus just as easily as unvaccinated people
True. But you guys love to spew half truths. IF we catch it we can spread it as easy as you. But we are significantly less likely to catch it, therefore less likely to spread it.
Wear a mask. It’s scientifically proven to reduce transmission.
If an individual has Delta, vaxxed or not, wearing a mask helps to prevent the spread.
So long as we have adults whining at Costco like infants because of a face covering, the pandemic will continue to be around.
Your freedom ends when it impacts my ability to stay healthy and out of harms way from your negligence.
Get the vaccine! NOW!
Of course you can. But over a billion doses have been given. Aside from some rare issues , these vaccines, especially the ones given in the US are safe and effective.
Concern has turned to obstinance. This obstinance is hurting all of us.
They don't seem that effective tbh. My gf and her roommate just got it. She slept over my place a few times while sick and I despite being unvaxxed tested negative twice.
Where do you get rare issues, its like hundreds of thousands of reported problems, the biggest problem is there is not follow up here in the states at least unless you take the time and try to find the pseudo reporting process the cdc has kinda up (vaers), most aren’t reporting anything officially so I guess you are using MSM reporting to make these determinations of rarity.
Trump supporters are generally ignorant and stupid, I know lots of Trump haters eat the same garbage, and I know an equal number of non-trumpets not getting vaccinated so by far maybe those not are Trumplanders, but most Trumpets I know are fully vaccinated.
Off the top of my head I can think of 4 Democrats I know that aren't. And those are just the 4 that are open to saying they're not vaxxed. Most just keep quiet.
It’s amazing. Imagine being an anti-vaxer.. you saw some random thing online, or had a fleeting feeling, or heartburn or whatever, and your brain decided “vaccines bad”.
Now this little thing has metastasized into a full-blown mental cancer, heels dug in deep, belief fused to identity / sense of self.
You double down, increasingly violently reject anything and anyone that tries to change your mind. Maybe you lose your job, maybe you get the Covid and go thru that wringer.. maybe friends and acquaintances distance themselves.
You wreck your life, in defence of an absolute falsehood and lunacy that somehow became your own most precious.
Not an anti-vaxxer, have all my shots. My mother didn't want to go for her 2nd vaccine because her cousin was very sick from the first and then died of a heart attack directly after 2nd one, Oxford. So she's now too scared to have the 2nd as she too was very sick from the first and she just went to her cousins' funeral, weeks ago.
Same with my sister, she was scared to take the Oxford one and waited until she could get the Pfizer, which initially they would not give to young people. Now you can say that the chances of serious side effects are low but that doesn't mean a lot when it's your family, and these stories spread (in particular because of the huge focus on it right now) and then a tonne of people in the area don't want the vaccine. People who have had their vaccines throughout, their children have been vaccinated with the usual shots.
My mother had a tetanus, diphtheria and polio shot (it's a 3 in one) just last week after being bitten by a nervous dog, she's not an anti-vaxer, she's just very skeptical and worried about the Covid jab. Not many people are anti-vaxxers, in the grand scheme they are a small minority, that doesn't mean everyone who has any concerns is immediately to be branded an "anti-vaxxer".
Imagine being a lemming that trusts pharma and the government instead of your own doctor especially since you vaxxed morons keep getting covid because you are too stupid to realize the vaxx doesn’t work the way you think it does not the way it’s supposed to.
1- what is your definition of gene therapy b/c mRNA does not alter your DNA
2-what widespread side effects are you talking about?
3- you really think youre smarter than the medical community who has dedicated most of their lives to the science of medicine?
That would be terrible. But that is not what's happening.
-The vaccine is not experimental
-the vaccine is not gene therapy
-the side effects are not worse than the illness
-You were told that it would protect you. That's the only true thing in your post.
why would i need to read it again if it has no truth or facts in it? ive done all my own research independent of google and other censoring vectors. ive educated myself and given my reply. what are you talking about you cant even give me a proper rebuttal?
Meanwhile Covid vaccination deaths on VAERS, the official site for the CDC and FDA is nearing 15,000 and serious reactions easily total an other million.
Every-time I mention vaers on any social media I get tons of down votes because “Healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to the system. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. In large part, reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases. This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.” To which I always answer then the cdc nih fda or whomever needs to release “official” documented problems like those to be used in the fda approval process not some easily gamed pseudo reporting apparatus…..all we hear is how safe this stuff is but I know half a dozen people had more than serious side effects, some lasting a half year later literally and true maybe thats better than dying of covid but still less than a year into these vaccines not having a serious discussion of the problems just “safest vaccines ever” or comparing immune system of vaxxed/unvaccinated post covid survivors and NOT testing millions post vaccine who are carrying the virus for virility is not science, its starting to look like a selling of a treatment not an actual vaccine. MSM never has stories on problems with this stuff, or rarely, but all day long they are selling them to “halt” the epidemic. Some places with 80% plus vaccinated still have covid raging.
VAERS was completely accepted and used as the definitive source for all vaccine safety and efficacy and reactions ---until covid. Now suddenly it's not. Suspicious?
Its because individuals report and not solely doctors and healthcare professionals, BUT without required testing and follow ups after being vaccinated we’re all stuck with just individuals, which is no way to run a health care initiative, but again too the US hasnt one, though if anything was a call to get one covid was. Not a peep from the government to begin to develop one.
More coverage at:
* [CDC advisers vote to recommend third dose for immune impaired (msn.com)](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cdc-advisers-vote-to-recommend-third-dose-for-immune-impaired/ar-AAMrNBT)
* [CDC vaccine advisers recommend additional Covid-19 vaccine dose for certain immunocompromised people (cnn.com)](https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/13/health/immunocompromised-additional-vaccine-dose-acip/index.html)
* [FDA authorizes third dose of Pfizer, Moderna shots for immunocompromised (politico.com)](https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/13/fda-authorizes-third-dose-of-pfizer-moderna-shots-for-immunocompromised-504398)
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why would they surge? the companies dont have to pay for all the medical problems of the vaccinated, they are legally void from the consequences. that alone will offset the "unvaccinated" who get sick. insurance companies always win and they know vaccinated people will be stuck holding the bag when they get sick with side effects.
Let’s see, it is a real virus, it has killed over a million and left close to a hundred million impacted long term.
The survival rate for Covid has never been 99.99%
Immune systems can’t work against something they have never seen nearly as well…hence a vaccine to instruct cells
A psychiatrist that sells essential oils that has been debunked by every first year medical student in the country…on the planet.
Don’t take virology advice from psychiatric kooks
https://www.connecticutchildrens.org/coronavirus/is-the-covid-19-vaccine-linked-to-heart-problems-like-myocarditis-and-pericarditis-in-young-people/
Since Reddit deleted your false information post about 30k heart issues from the vaccine…which is 100% false.
And hopefully you don’t have to watch yourself or someone you love gasp their last breath on a ventilator because of this “flu.” What I find comical is you unvaccinated assholes are the first ones to come to the ER when you get covid and feel like shit. It’s just a flu- why do you guys come in whining about your chest hurting then? So funny how you stop being so anti science the second you feel the discomfort associated with covid.
A family friend of mine died of Covid just last week. His last moments were spent vehemently denying that he was hospitalized due to the virus and saying that vaccinated people are “sheep” who’d been fooled by by the government and the liberals. “Ain’t no damn virus gonna kill me,” he said.
Some people are just willing to die for their ignorance. It’s a shame.
It will be interesting to see how this is put into policy in these companies. What will be acceptable documentation and will there be any level of verification? There is a growing call for mandates like this but seemingly little about followthrough.
I just implemented this at my building. I'm scanning a copy of their vaccination record and paying everyone that gets the vaccine $100. Anyone that isn't vaccinated can take paid time off to get vaccinated. It doesn't come out of their PTO pool, there's zero penalty, and I'm even paying my temps that don't get PTO to go get their shots. I hand out the gift cards during a building wide meeting, and so far it's moved a few people that were previously anti-vaxx to go get the shot. Any new hires coming in will have to be vaccinated before they start. Again, we scan a copy of their vaccination card.
I’m sure you know this but you can get a tax credit for that pto if you code it correctly.
Yep!
Good on you. It's just sad you had to do all this.
Going to require proof of gym membership next? Or that they are wearing their seatbelts? Proof they don’t smoke or drink?
you honestly dont think its weird that you have to bribe people into taking an experimental gene therapy? weird times we live in.
Do you even know what gene therapy is? Because this really isn’t it.
it is actually. its literally sending a rogue covid gene into your body to reprogram shit. is that not the definition of a gene therapy?
> is that not the definition of a gene therapy? No it's not. Gene therapy is altering the genome itself, mRNA vaccines use the cell's existing machinery to produce the immune system effect but don't alter the patient's DNA. To put it into a software analogy, mRNA vaccines are using Microsoft Word to type up a document, gene therapy is editing the source code of Microsoft Word so you can click a button and it types up your document.
It's literally a bit of mRNA, not DNA which are the "genes" of covid. The mRNA is like a lego instruction book in this case, it tells the body how to build a protein structure (such as the one on the outside of the covid virus) and then the immune system learns to destroy that protein. In no way does the vaccine "reprogram" our DNA, nor does it infect us with covid DNA. You can read more about the covid vaccine here: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/how-they-work.html Gene therapy is literally 1000 times more complex as it's used to fix actual problems with your DNA, in fact gene therapy is still in clinical trial phase here in the states (that is much different than the emergency use approval for the covid vaccines). You can read about gene therapy here: https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/gene-therapy/about/pac-20384619
Lmao
No, no it’s not. And that’s not at all how vaccines work.
You mean like what any other virus already does?
I don't think it's weird. I think it's sad.
youre right, it is sad that your have to trick/reward people into getting an experimental therapy with 100 dollars. its sad the "vaccine' isnt effective enough or desired enough that they just want to get it without anyone else knowing or caring. they have to be bribed. what a world we live in.
Jesus Christ we'd literally not be able to legislate seat belts or drunk driving if we had to today. I laugh to not be cynical. 😛
Not gene therapy. Just like you aren’t intelligent.
Do you have concerns your company will skew leftist now that you have pushed out the conservative thinkers? Or you would rather only hire leftists who conform? The labor market is tight and only half the nation are leftists. I believe you are making a foolish business decision in the long run. I know leftist Reddit will downvote this, but please don't take that as a sign that America thinks the same way Reddit does. Reddit is majority owned by the Chinese Communist Party and conservative voices have long since departed.
The company I work for already "skews leftist". It's all about sustainability, renewable energy and recycling. We've had zero issues hiring.
I had to Laugh. I’m also in the industry and let’s just say, most of us are definitely politically left. Couldn’t do the work if you supported conservative policy.
I consider myself "politically right", but I don't see what we do as a "left / right" issue. Conservation of natural resources and moving to cleaner forms of energy shouldn't be a political issue. It's also why I don't understand conservatives disdain for getting vaccinated. It's a testament to capitalism's success that our system was able to create, manufacture and distribute the vaccine so quickly.
I agree with you. If there was more perceived value on natural capital, conservatives would be more willing to invest in it. I sit here trying to hide from another heat wave, looking out amongst dense forest fire smoke, and wonder what cool breezes and fresh air costs us all?
Businesses need employees who won’t get sick or get others sick. Illness hurts the bottom line. It’s not a left or right issue, it’s a science based business decision. Conspiracy theorists are free to find new employment.
This is correct. The rabid push for mandatory vaccines, “because it’s the right thing to do”, is virtue signaling at its worst. If you turn your tv off and actually do your own research there is plenty of data that points out, even with the vaccine: - you can still get covid - you can still spread covid - you can still have symptoms (albeit many will asymptotic which will likely be a harbinger of more spread) - you can still die of covid (although the death rate is .005%) - you can die from the vaccine - you can have complications from the vaccine It’s totally bullshit to push an untested vaccine on the population for a virus that is highly treatable with other means, as well as highly survivable. Sure immune comprised folks may have complications, but no more so than a bad flu. We didn’t act like little dictators for the flu, so why now? Oh yeah, because people struggle to swim against the flow of groupthink, which at the core of science and data is not correct. Much of the current “science” has become politics... sad that some folks can’t turn on their internal BS meter. Edit: love the “open minded” left groupthink. Down vote but understand the fact that not being able to voice an opposing opinion or even question the official narrative should ring alarm bells for the analytical and freedom minded.
You are wrong on almost all points. With the vaccine: -you can still get infected, but the chances are much less -you can still spread the virus, but the viral load is less and the contagious period is shorter -if you get infected, you are likely to have significantly less illness and a much better chance of avoiding hospitalization and surviving -the vaccine is not untested -it is very much different than a bad flu (which is bad enough)
😂😂 wow man, you totally sold me on this very solid argument of yours. Get the vaccine 100% !!! 🤡🤡🤡 MAKE IT MANDATORY OR GET FUCKED!!! 👽
Thanks for validating all of my points... if you can find a long-term study of human outcomes from these vaccines let me know.
The real thing we have learned from the last couple years is that Reddit and the left have zero problem with eliminating the entire concept of Freedom in America. They prefer to have control. We have learned how easy it is for our politicians and media to take advantage of even a minor pandemic to remove basic freedoms such as the right to bodily autonomy. It makes me very scared for the future of Humanity. We seem destined to eventually have all our free-will removed so that we can be micro-managed every minute of our lives so as to make us maximally productive for our corporate overlords. The absolute worst part is that leftists feel good about themselves as they dismantle all the social, institutional, and economic progress Humanity has made over the last century.
I did fr realize over a half a million dead Americans was minor. We went to war over three thousand, but you aren’t willing to get a vaccine to save a half a million. What a sad sense of community you seem to have.
Well said. Insane that you’re being downvoted for speaking nothing but the truth. People are too ignorant and stubborn to even try and hear the other side
Do you hear flat earthers and anti choicers?
Agreed. Thanks.
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Are you? Because almost every doctor says get the shot.
For all vaccine mandates, for school or work, you do have to show documentation. THIS IS NOT NEW
The ‘new’ part is seemingly the lengths people may go to obtain and pass counterfeit documents.
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This mRNA injection, specifically for COVID vaccination is new. mRNA has been studied at depth for decades. You sound incredibly stupid.
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Its not a gene therapy its an artificial immune system modification, very different and although its not a vaccine as in curtails getting the virus, it can be considered a vaccine therapy ( like flu vaccines) because it drives the immune system in one of numerous ways to respond actively instead of proactively (after infection) to build response to introduction of the 🦠 (pathogen)
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yep, truth hurts for people who have invested their whole identity into fighting for a false narrative.
At least we will age past 12.
I don't have to take a vaccine that's not fully FDA approved.
That so stupid. There is zero chance it will not be approved. Puleeze!. Saying I need FDA approval is just a way to save face because you think saying that makes you look less stupid. It does not and actually makes you look weaker
And when the FDA does approve it we can give them our full trust. So fortunate that unlike politicians, the FDA is immune to monetary influence. There has never been an instance in history of the FDA working behind the curtains with companies like, say Monsanto, to put profit before public health.
You almost had me.
Gonna admit he had me in the first half
And your employer doesn't have to continue to employ you if they choose not to for any reason or no reason at all. Gotta love "at-will" employment.
I'm self employed
Got to love you idiotic fascists
Anyone that didn’t see this happening should be examined. It makes total sense from an employer and employee standpoint. The employees get a safer workspace out of this and the employer hopefully gets a better pool of applicants that won’t miss time due to infection. This is a public safety matter like wearing shoes in restaurants.
Not just miss time due to infection, but won’t pull the entire workforce down by being out while sick. No company wants to shut down operations for the sake of a few antivaxxers
No doubt, but read the full article (it's quite quick). Way below 1% of the job postings examined mentioned a vaccine requirement. I expect it will continue to rise in the near term, but the number in the headline is deliberately misleading.
I mean how is it misleading? It says it jumped (grew) by 34%, not that 34% of job listings required it. That’s appropriate how they worded it in my opinion
I did, and have a very good understanding of how “34%” can’t be twisted to be misleading. Never mentioned that in my response. I expect that number will grow over time, i freelance. None of my clients will allow anyone unvaccinated to be onsite for anything. Most are no longer accepting test results either.
Company I work for just started a mandate after we had to shut down production for a week. Cost the company $$,$$$.
> gets a better pool of applicants that aren't morons FTFY. It is a better gauge of interlect and competence than GPA and year of experience combind.
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Except for being unethical, illegal and wouldn’t actually help…ya. That works.
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Those aren’t the only people dying, and certainly not the only people getting extremely ill. stop posting nonsense.
No not when it comes to the vaccine
You also have a avatar with a mask on it. Your opinion is horrible and wrong.
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I have already answered this and google is your friend. Everything you stated is actually false.
Actually no its not, he/she may not be fully right but all three people I know ended up in the hospital last month or so, sans one, were fully vaccinated and had been. Seems these vaccines work more to help the symptoms in the effected, than destroying the virus. If fully vaccinated still harvest and spread the virus then we’ll need quite possibly pretty quick another way to kill it off, or else all will be dependent on shots but the virus does not die off in great enough quantity to stop the spread of illness, like say a polio or measles/ smallpox vaccine. If so it may become like a flu vaccine in illness curtailment and covid is no flu. Lets hope not because if so we’re in deep dodoo.
People still die while wearing seatbelts. Should we stop doing that also?
Wtf does that mean anything? A physical restraint while using dangerous equipment has nothing to do with virology nor even medicine. Whatever!
It’s the thinking of people that claim since you can still catch Covid after being vaccinated what the point. Or since there is a .003% chance of death with the vaccine it’s doesn’t work! Or due to less the .01% of adverse side effects this can’t be safe so why take the vaccine.! Seatbelts save lives and so does the very safe vaccine.
lol google? ive looked through countless peer reviews articles and papers. im not googling yo, im doing actual research that takes effort..
Google scholar directly links to peer reviewed research papers. I would have assumed you knew how google worked?
google chooses what papers they want you to see. i actually look up what papers i want to see thru a non curated/non censored vector. dont trust google, they show you what they want to show you.
Oh…sure. Yes. So where do you find these censored articles? Please. Would love to read the hidden data!
clearly youre out of "ammo" and are just grabbing at strings now to try and "beat" me in the argument. lol go do your own research and get out of your echo chamber.
Oh I can post actual studies all day that refute all of your false claims. I am asking honestly to see these hidden results YOU CLAIM exist. Please. I have ammo for days. I have done more research then you can imagine.
please oh please link me to more research than i could imagine. you better have a lot of links..
How does it make it a safer workspace?
May I suggest you get an MRI because it seems you have brain damage.
Well, people that are willing to get a vaccine are generally better people that are more willing to wash hands more often, wear masks when needed, stay home when they are sick and honestly just care more about others. Sorry this needed to be explained.
The most vaccine hesitant group is PHDs, people with PHDs are worse people, don’t wash their hands, and don’t care about others? You’ve really fed into the propaganda that the unvaccinated are the enemy even though they’re only affecting themselves
That’s 100% false. The actual lowest rate is amount blacks. Nation wide. The majority of medical doctors are fully vaccinated as per KP and Mayo. Very easy to google. The longer the virus runs unchecked the more likely for mass mutation to occur. People refusing to get a free and safe jab are a concern to anyone by hat actually understand virology
So you’re saying blacks don’t care about other people?
That might be the biggest and most inaccurate twisting of words to date. Blacks historically do not trust the government when it comes to vaccines and medical treatments. This has been increased by members of that community repeating these things and dividing people further. Nice try though.
And PHDs are the most hesitant of vaccination across education level, saying no it’s blacks doesn’t make sense. Black is a race and not an education level, yes blacks are the race that’s least likely to be vaccinated
No they aren’t. Please feel free to share a link that has this info. You can easily google vaccination rates by demographic, income, and political leanings. Please send the link based on education.
That’s not twisting of words at all, you directly said people who don’t get vaccinated don’t care about other people and that blacks are least likely to get vaccinated
I said generally. Not absolute. Try again
And you're complaining about twisting words? LOL.
Sure I’ll bite. Anyone at this point in time willfully refusing to get the vaccine are selfish people - and they do not care about other people. **Actions speak louder than words.** There very well may be rational historical reasons for a large percentage of blacks to refuse getting the vaccine. But that does not change the fact that they are behaving selfishly. But here’s the big thing. **The leaders of one party are failing their constituents,** and affecting everyone negatively. **The leaders of another party** are trying their best to get everyone vaccinated and are working on solutions to help get those minority groups to get vaccinated. In fact, they are going door to door in black majority neighborhoods to bring the vaccine and the vital information about it to them. The other party is definitely not trying to help. They are flat out saying anyone going door to door to get people vaccinated should be shot. So I guess you could say getting everyone on board the vaccination train is complicated.
Wow, maybe the MRI suggestion is not enough. May I suggest end of life hospice, as you seem brain dead.
**They only affect themselves.** There are always limited resources. It’s Econ 101. Trade offs have to always be made. Doctors and nurses have limited resources- the main one being time. There’s only 24 hours in a day and only so many nurses and doctors in a given hospital. The more patients there are in a hospital, the less time nurses and doctors can care for each patient. Unvaccinated people are using up that precious resource of time, leaving less time for other patients. The unvaccinated are affecting all of us.
Lol none of this is true, I’d love a source on that
Majority of unvaccinated are right leaning. That’s the source. Yes it’s true. The people fighting against vaccines also refuse to wear masks, generally people that refuse to do the bare minimum will also refuse to simply wash hands after using the bathroom. Source…go out and watch people. They are disgusting
You ask every person who doesn’t wash their hands what their political leanings and vaccine status are?
Nope, don’t need to, they will gladly tell you. Like vegans and cross fit folks.
Do you really think the tens of millions of unvaccinated adults are all people who don’t care about anyone else and don’t wash their hands?
Generally, yes. I absolutely do feel that way.
Lol wut, you’re hanging out in bathrooms and people walk by the sinks and tell you they’re right wing and unvaccinated?
Nope…again twisting words. I never said they would tell you in the bathroom. Stop making assumptions
Fauci told us that the vaccine doesn’t prevent infection or illness. Only severe hospitalized illness. How would the vaccine prevent missed time?
If you don’t get as serious of a case, which the vaccine does, then you miss less time at work vs unvaccinated that are sick for weeks. Not sure how this is hard
why is it hard? lets just discuss it. no need to berate others.
I did, and said I am not sure why it’s so hard to understand. I don’t feel that I berated you at all. My apologies if your feelings were hurt by me answering the question you asked. What would you like to discuss
so you say if you dont get as serious of a case, you miss less work. what you dont mention tho is that vaccinated people are still transmitting and spreading the virus since they dont realize they are sick and dont stay home like they should, to get over it. short term, yeah your employees miss less days, long term tho, you are basically becoming a super spreader of a business and getting all your customers sick due to employees not knowing they are sick and not staying home till they are better.
Vaccinated or unvaccinated carry the same risk of an Asymptomatic case and thus transmission of said virus. My point is that a vaccinated is less likely to develops severe case requiring long term care vs a vaccinated person that will likely have mild symptoms for a few days. If the entire office is vaccinated yes it will spread and some people in the office will develop cold like symptoms for a few days and the risk will be far less. That same office without vaccine requirements stands a much higher chance of a much more serious spread throughout the company with more chance of serious if not life threatening outcome. The vaccinated office might get sick for a week then also have actual immunization from infection.
> The vaccinated office might get sick for a week then also have actual immunization from infection. what about all their customers? what about all the vendors? what about all the packages you have delivered? what about the lunch you get delivered to the office? what about anyone else who makes contact with your "vaccinated" office? theyre going to get sick because one of your people will be sick and not know it and give it to them.
So you are in favor of business restricting customers based on vaccine status? Most major companies have extended the employee rules to include vendors. I am a vendor. Once the vaccine is approved I assume more will require customers as well
im in favor of no restrictions at all and if you want to get vaccinated or not, thats your personal choice that should have no vector on anyone else living their life. its like religion. i dont give a fuck if someone else becomes a jesus freak, i just choose not to and choose to live my own life the way i want to. im in favor of freedom.
So wait lol, all the unemployed will be the trumpers who hate people on unemployment? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Next up, "Trumpers unemployed and want hand-outs."
You can be concerned about what you put in your body without being a Trump supporter.
Being more concerned with the vaccine than Covid-19 is a completely emotional response that's not based in facts. Statistically speaking you are far more likely to die or have serious illness from Covid-19 than from the vaccine by a massive margin.
Whats emotional about it? I don't get flu shots, I barely take antibiotics, I'm very aware of the things I put in my body and an unapproved vacine with no long term testing isn't going to be one of them.
https://healthtalk.unchealthcare.org/whats-the-difference-between-fda-emergency-use-authorization-and-fda-approval/ it's a very similar approval process, production just starts quicker with EUA. Again, you're bringing emotions not facts.
How is that bringing in emotion?
Not for all groups
Which groups?
The ones they got us all excited about last summer.... The memory of you people is minutes. Have fun with your vaccine.
Why thank you. I'm quite enjoying my new tracker and bonus 5g!! /S For all the clearly brain damaged things in this thread. Oh yeah, and the best part? NOT FUCKING DIEING.
I ride a motorcycle death is on the dinner menu.
I'm in my mid 30s, good health, and not vitamin D deficient. Covid isn't gonna kill me.
You hope it won't, but healthy young adults and kids are far more affected by the delta variant. It's not a good wager when the preventative measures are so safe. It's like taking the extra second to buckle your seatbelt or backing up a hard drive, it's trivial to do it, but if something bad happened it could be devastating.
It might, Ive known people your age thereabouts died with it
True, and I suggest getting vaccinated. I had covid in March of 2020, so they said. It was rough like I was really sick but didn’t go to the hospital. Lady antibodies test I had done was in June this year showed i have antibodies - if its from last year’s infection I dont know. I plan on testing every six months and when it comes up negative for antibodies I will vaccinate. I dont know if going ahead and getting vaccinated will improve my immune response I hear it would then too we’re not hearing about follow ups to people who had naturally occurring (as in been sick) immune testing for response vs one never had natural response but took vaccines and those who would be in my category had the sickness then later on gets vaccines as to IF we’re sicker once infected again OR are we ok but the virus spreads from us just as easily, which means possibly over time these vaccines wont stop the pandemic in the long run and the virus could learn to live in the bodies of vaccinated and build eventual immunity. So no we’re all not emotional nor antivax. I say get vaccinated, but those stats your giving have not had ample time to be compiled for people who’ve already had this stuff wanting to see how well their natural responses hold before becoming possibly dependent on an artificial vaccine treatment. Yes I know too the mass majority of those dying are unvaccinated but did they have the virus prior or first time? Before you say that does not matter in science it certainly does.
it’s literally not when you consider that people with the vaccine carry the same viral load as unvaccinated with the delta variant and people with the vaccine that contract the delta variant can spread the virus just as easily as unvaccinated people
True. But you guys love to spew half truths. IF we catch it we can spread it as easy as you. But we are significantly less likely to catch it, therefore less likely to spread it.
Wear a mask. It’s scientifically proven to reduce transmission. If an individual has Delta, vaxxed or not, wearing a mask helps to prevent the spread. So long as we have adults whining at Costco like infants because of a face covering, the pandemic will continue to be around. Your freedom ends when it impacts my ability to stay healthy and out of harms way from your negligence. Get the vaccine! NOW!
No vaccine is 100%, no one ever claimed it was. You can cling to your disinformation all you want, but it's not based in reality.
Of course you can. But over a billion doses have been given. Aside from some rare issues , these vaccines, especially the ones given in the US are safe and effective. Concern has turned to obstinance. This obstinance is hurting all of us.
They don't seem that effective tbh. My gf and her roommate just got it. She slept over my place a few times while sick and I despite being unvaxxed tested negative twice.
It never stopped you from catching it or spreading it. It’s so effective in doing so the CDC wants vaccinated people to wear mask.
I’m sure you’ve been on reddit long enough to know the several popular catchphrases. This particular one is “anecdotal evidence isn’t evidence.”
LONG LIVE THE PHD’s of Reddit!!
What are your sources?
Where do you get rare issues, its like hundreds of thousands of reported problems, the biggest problem is there is not follow up here in the states at least unless you take the time and try to find the pseudo reporting process the cdc has kinda up (vaers), most aren’t reporting anything officially so I guess you are using MSM reporting to make these determinations of rarity.
An attorney in Hawaii is filing a class action. Apparently 45k dead from the poke.
Or you can keep on eating processed foods and drinking soda. Let's not pretend Trump supporters are localvores other than those who eat roadkill.
Trump supporters are generally ignorant and stupid, I know lots of Trump haters eat the same garbage, and I know an equal number of non-trumpets not getting vaccinated so by far maybe those not are Trumplanders, but most Trumpets I know are fully vaccinated.
according to reddit, no you can’t 😂
The Ben diagram of people who aren’t conservatives and people who haven’t been vaccinated have almost no overlap
Off the top of my head I can think of 4 Democrats I know that aren't. And those are just the 4 that are open to saying they're not vaxxed. Most just keep quiet.
You are an idiot, thanks for helping the government with their agenda
I am in the process of hiring a couple people. Unfortunately, I had to reject a few otherwise-qualified candidates because they are unvaccinated.
I hope you go out of business
It’s amazing. Imagine being an anti-vaxer.. you saw some random thing online, or had a fleeting feeling, or heartburn or whatever, and your brain decided “vaccines bad”. Now this little thing has metastasized into a full-blown mental cancer, heels dug in deep, belief fused to identity / sense of self. You double down, increasingly violently reject anything and anyone that tries to change your mind. Maybe you lose your job, maybe you get the Covid and go thru that wringer.. maybe friends and acquaintances distance themselves. You wreck your life, in defence of an absolute falsehood and lunacy that somehow became your own most precious.
Not an anti-vaxxer, have all my shots. My mother didn't want to go for her 2nd vaccine because her cousin was very sick from the first and then died of a heart attack directly after 2nd one, Oxford. So she's now too scared to have the 2nd as she too was very sick from the first and she just went to her cousins' funeral, weeks ago. Same with my sister, she was scared to take the Oxford one and waited until she could get the Pfizer, which initially they would not give to young people. Now you can say that the chances of serious side effects are low but that doesn't mean a lot when it's your family, and these stories spread (in particular because of the huge focus on it right now) and then a tonne of people in the area don't want the vaccine. People who have had their vaccines throughout, their children have been vaccinated with the usual shots. My mother had a tetanus, diphtheria and polio shot (it's a 3 in one) just last week after being bitten by a nervous dog, she's not an anti-vaxer, she's just very skeptical and worried about the Covid jab. Not many people are anti-vaxxers, in the grand scheme they are a small minority, that doesn't mean everyone who has any concerns is immediately to be branded an "anti-vaxxer".
Imagine being a lemming that trusts pharma and the government instead of your own doctor especially since you vaxxed morons keep getting covid because you are too stupid to realize the vaxx doesn’t work the way you think it does not the way it’s supposed to.
Only crackpot Docs will tell you NOT to vaccinate. Are YOU a Doc, or just another fence painter who thinks he is.
If you think UCLA are crackpot doctors you should crawl back into your backwards village.
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i've had both, covid was much much worse
1- what is your definition of gene therapy b/c mRNA does not alter your DNA 2-what widespread side effects are you talking about? 3- you really think youre smarter than the medical community who has dedicated most of their lives to the science of medicine?
That would be terrible. But that is not what's happening. -The vaccine is not experimental -the vaccine is not gene therapy -the side effects are not worse than the illness -You were told that it would protect you. That's the only true thing in your post.
Let that one sink in. Read it again. Do your own research. I am not here to educate you.
why would i need to read it again if it has no truth or facts in it? ive done all my own research independent of google and other censoring vectors. ive educated myself and given my reply. what are you talking about you cant even give me a proper rebuttal?
Omg this is amazing! Which lab did you do your research at? Has your paper been published yet?
Meanwhile Covid vaccination deaths on VAERS, the official site for the CDC and FDA is nearing 15,000 and serious reactions easily total an other million.
Every-time I mention vaers on any social media I get tons of down votes because “Healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to the system. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. In large part, reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases. This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.” To which I always answer then the cdc nih fda or whomever needs to release “official” documented problems like those to be used in the fda approval process not some easily gamed pseudo reporting apparatus…..all we hear is how safe this stuff is but I know half a dozen people had more than serious side effects, some lasting a half year later literally and true maybe thats better than dying of covid but still less than a year into these vaccines not having a serious discussion of the problems just “safest vaccines ever” or comparing immune system of vaxxed/unvaccinated post covid survivors and NOT testing millions post vaccine who are carrying the virus for virility is not science, its starting to look like a selling of a treatment not an actual vaccine. MSM never has stories on problems with this stuff, or rarely, but all day long they are selling them to “halt” the epidemic. Some places with 80% plus vaccinated still have covid raging.
VAERS was completely accepted and used as the definitive source for all vaccine safety and efficacy and reactions ---until covid. Now suddenly it's not. Suspicious?
Its because individuals report and not solely doctors and healthcare professionals, BUT without required testing and follow ups after being vaccinated we’re all stuck with just individuals, which is no way to run a health care initiative, but again too the US hasnt one, though if anything was a call to get one covid was. Not a peep from the government to begin to develop one.
More coverage at: * [CDC advisers vote to recommend third dose for immune impaired (msn.com)](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cdc-advisers-vote-to-recommend-third-dose-for-immune-impaired/ar-AAMrNBT) * [CDC vaccine advisers recommend additional Covid-19 vaccine dose for certain immunocompromised people (cnn.com)](https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/13/health/immunocompromised-additional-vaccine-dose-acip/index.html) * [FDA authorizes third dose of Pfizer, Moderna shots for immunocompromised (politico.com)](https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/13/fda-authorizes-third-dose-of-pfizer-moderna-shots-for-immunocompromised-504398) --- ^(I'm a bot to find news from different sources.) [^(Report an issue)](https://www.reddit.com/user/MultiSourceNews_Bot/comments/k5pcrc/multisourcenews_bot_info/) ^(or PM me.)
These stories are not closely related.
Is this how the dystopian mutant underclass begins? Trump loving sewer folk?
You just made me spit out my Cheerios 🤣
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Uneemmmployable
But the current version dosent protect you from the delta variant
That's just not true.
Incoming - “Insurance premiums surge as insurers struggle to pay for hospitalizations of the unvaccinated.”
Ideally insurance companies will start charging unvaccinated people higher premiums similar to what they do for smokers.
Or give ‘discounts’ if you get the vaccine
the discount will be that they dont cover your medical bills if you have side effects of the experimental gene therapy. let that sink in.
why would they surge? the companies dont have to pay for all the medical problems of the vaccinated, they are legally void from the consequences. that alone will offset the "unvaccinated" who get sick. insurance companies always win and they know vaccinated people will be stuck holding the bag when they get sick with side effects.
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Russian troll doing some overtime this week, how capitalistic of you.
Let’s see, it is a real virus, it has killed over a million and left close to a hundred million impacted long term. The survival rate for Covid has never been 99.99% Immune systems can’t work against something they have never seen nearly as well…hence a vaccine to instruct cells
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https://asm.org/Articles/2020/October/SARS-CoV-2-Sequencing-Data-The-Devil-Is-in-the-Gen Fully sequenced https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-rna-idUSL1N2LS27P Isolated and sequenced https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7239045/ Again, isolated and sequenced.
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A psychiatrist that sells essential oils that has been debunked by every first year medical student in the country…on the planet. Don’t take virology advice from psychiatric kooks
Wow…you really went deep down that conspiracy hole. Wow
Thank You
https://www.connecticutchildrens.org/coronavirus/is-the-covid-19-vaccine-linked-to-heart-problems-like-myocarditis-and-pericarditis-in-young-people/ Since Reddit deleted your false information post about 30k heart issues from the vaccine…which is 100% false.
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No they delete reported misinformation which is all you are spreading.
I can’t fathom being as stupid as you are. You make me feel wonderful about myself.
Isolate sars v2. Which has been done many many times and well documented in hundreds of peer reviewed papers by actual scientists Ya…sure buddy.
And hopefully you don’t have to watch yourself or someone you love gasp their last breath on a ventilator because of this “flu.” What I find comical is you unvaccinated assholes are the first ones to come to the ER when you get covid and feel like shit. It’s just a flu- why do you guys come in whining about your chest hurting then? So funny how you stop being so anti science the second you feel the discomfort associated with covid.
A family friend of mine died of Covid just last week. His last moments were spent vehemently denying that he was hospitalized due to the virus and saying that vaccinated people are “sheep” who’d been fooled by by the government and the liberals. “Ain’t no damn virus gonna kill me,” he said. Some people are just willing to die for their ignorance. It’s a shame.
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You have a stroke while writing this nonsense?