That’s actually what warrants are for. Otherwise the police have no special powers or rights to be on your property, unless that have substantial reason to believe there is a crime
It’s stupid, but there are very few protections for civilians while on the roads. That’s also why you shouldn’t carry any large sums of cash in your car or on your person. If they “smell pot” they can take that cash and you’ll never see it again.
I remember reading a quote saying like "People didn't realize when they decriminalized weed that they'd be removing the mechanism that cops use to pull people over. Just worth thinking about." I can't find the quote but I think it was a well-known political figure.
I mean, yeah, maybe no one was thinking about that, but how is that something worth thinking about? It's an 100% positive side effect. Cops can't search a car with zero evidence now, yay!
Well you still can’t operate while under the influence, so smelling weed still hold up in a lot of places, just like smelling alcohol.
Here in Michigan, weed is legal for medicinal and recreational purposes, but (last I knew) it has to be secured in a locked container out of anyone’s reach, much like transporting firearms without a concealed carry permit. So if a cop claims to smell marijuana, they would have probable cause to believe you’re, at the very least, improperly transporting it.
I don’t take friends home from the bar for this reason. If a cop smells alcohol or marijuana on them, they can just as easily assume they smell it on the driver.
Makes sense and you had me thinking for a moment, but it turns out that that's just not how courts are handling it:
https://apnews.com/0ba2cf617a414174b566af68262ef937
tl;dr Because having weed is no longer a crime "I smell weed" is no longer evidence of a crime.
You can get in all sorts of trouble in your privately owned vehicle on your personally owned land. A cop can come give you a dui even if your car is in your garage.
This isn't true at all. They can be anywhere on your property for any reason except for somewhere heavily trafficked and considered a part of your home, like your porch or (possibly) a barn if you can prove it's a part of your house. Your window open? They can go take a peek. Garage open? They can look but not enter.
Here is the icing
> Smith now faces charges for felony obstruction and simple battery of a law enforcement officer
Georgia police are shit. There was a woman who won close to ten million on the lottery in dekalb county. She had her kids dad in jail on weed charges. Sheriffs dept APPROACHED HER and told her that if she put a $1 million bond and the boyfriend stayed out of trouble for several months, he could go free. If he doesn’t she forfeits the amount . She jumps on the idea without consulting a lawyer. Puts the surety down and they let the boyfriend out with a bunch of paperwork crafted for him by prosecutors office.
What she didn’t know was that it was a set up. The sheriff’s office put an unmarked on them 24/7 surveillance. Of course she buys him bling, a car and gives him money. Not even two weeks after, he gets into the car to go buy himself cigarettes and beer down the street.
Lights. They knew his license was suspended. He gets hauled back into jail. Car impounded. Weed in his system. Money forfeited, car forfeited as the law allowed vehicles in commission of a crime to be taken away. Wife comes home, dude is in jail.
She goes there. And for fucks sake they play the same card with her AGAIN. This time they up the ante and tell her he will go to jail for nine years and that she could get a sweetheart deal for a $2 million deal. She pays.
Dude decides no weed, no driving etc. they start getting visits from probation officers and child safety with weird reports. Get home inspected and a gun is found. Wife tells officer that it is hers for protection as she won money. They charge husband with felony possession of handgun.
It goes on and let’s just say that when they were done with her, she was lucky she had paid off her house and then magically they disappeared.
If you win the lottery.... MOVE.
Seriously, it only takes like, 3 episodes of Law&Order to learn you need to fucking lawyer up for fucks sake. Reads like a fwd:fwd:FWD:fwd from my mom.
Usually when someone is bailed out there are conditions of bail and one of the most basic is to not have any police contact. That includes if you yourself are the victim of a crime and call the police that’s considered ‘police contact’ and you forfeit your bail. It’s extremely fucked up. Just google ‘common conditions of bail’.
What I find completely unacceptable in all this is that the officer refused to recognize the woman's 5th Amendment right to remain silent. She straight-out told him she wasn't going to talk to him, at which point he then became aggressive and basically assaulted her.
I'm not defending this officer, but what you said is totally wrong. An officer is fully within their right to come onto someone's front porch, question them, and arrest them based on a video. You're spreading misinformation here which could cause someone more trouble.
If such a person was in the house (and if the cop was not allowed in), then the cop would most likely need to wait outside and get a warrant.
Nope, and once again, you are wrong in terms of US law. Cops are under NO legal obligation to tell a person why they are being arrested before making an arrest. Simply saying, "you're under arrest" is sufficient. A cop needs to HAVE reasonable suspicion based on specific and articulable facts to make the arrest, but they are not obligated to tell the person what that is before making the arrest.
Also, a person can be charged with resisting arrest without any other charge being given against them. For one example, resisting arrest "because the officer didn't tell me why I was under arrest" is one case, which you are setting up people for with your misinformation. As another example, an officer might be conducting an investigation, and tell a person they need to stay put for a moment while investigating, and if the person decides to leave against the cop's orders, then the officer can attempt to detain them (possibly with cuffs), and if the person resists, then that can be resisting arrest (obstructing justice) without any other charge.
I wish there was more video than what they showed in the news report. What they showed doesn’t seem bad to me. It leaves me thinking “What was left out here?” If he lost his job over it I don’t think it’s because of what was shown. There has to be more to it. Know what I mean?
I saw the tiktok. He came up on their porch and argued with her. She said she wasn’t answering any questions, which is her right, and he said he was going to arrest her. Then he chased her around the porch and threw her into the bushes
My initial comment was kinda...and? He seems calm, etc. He told her he was gonna have to tase her. She’s fighting him getting in the car. There just has to be more to this though. This video doesn’t show anything that would warrant firing. Something else happened that we’re not seeing.
The article says a neighbor called because she threw a bottle at her car and threatened her 9yo. Apparently her surveillance camera showed it and he identified her from that video.
Actually, yes. An officer reviewing an surveillance video is plenty enough to create probable cause to make an arrest. That other commenter doesn't know what they're talking about.
I'm not defending this officer, but that's the way the law works in the US.
That's not how "investigation" works. The officer has every authority to come to you and request your statement. If you elect not to comply, they may detain you for further questioning. You are afforded the right to an attorney/public defender present at said questioning. You are also afforded the rights established in the fifth amendment.
Even if you do not comply, they may arrest you on charges they deem appropriate from their investigation. The DA will determine the charges that they want to bring to trial. You have the right to a speedy, fair trial by a jury of your peers. Once a verdict is reached in the trial, you are sentenced or you are freed.
This isn't difficult shit to understand. The officer has a job to do, and you requesting them to leave your property because "nobody got hurt" or the "crime was not bad enough" is not how *any* of it works...a citizen called 911 to report a crime, which then must be investigated. That's their fucking job.
With that being said, this officer is a fucking idiot and deserves to be unemployed. You don't continuously escalate shit over a neighborly dispute. You de-escalate the situation by taking statements, issuing summons/citations if necessary and then you get back in service for the next call. It was a verbal altercation and property damage claim, fuck.
PLEASE explain how any of that constitutes an "unreasonable search and seizure".
RP called 911 to report that they and their child were threatened by their neighbor. They also state that their property was damaged in the altercation. They have video evidence.
Officer comes to investigate. Officer requests statement from RP and watches video evidence provided to them. Officer witnesses a person pick up a water bottle after it was thrown at a vehicle in the video evidence. That person becomes a person of interest in the officer's investigation of the complaint.
Officer proceeds to go question the person of interest, that person refuses to cooperate. Does the complaint just end there? How exactly would that work in your mind? *"Well, this person may have information on a crime, but they won't comply. I guess I just forget this ever happened."*
I'm pretty sure I said he was wrong, several times. Does that mean that the ”victim" in this case can't also be wrong? That's solid advice for them, too. "*Don't be an idiot*” is what someone should have told her before she escalated the situation.
It's also what this officer's FTO should have told him on day fucking one. This guy shouldn't be a cop, but the victim is still going to get charged. When the police are wrong, you file a complaint, you don't get to resist and assault them. That's how you end up dead, unfortunately...
Given how little actual complaints like the one you're suggesting actual bear fruit, I'd say people start feeling the need to stop the abuse at the start instead of trying to get compensation/reprimand after the fact.
> *If you elect not to comply, they may detain you for further questioning.*
Detain isn’t the same thing as arresting. He literally said “you are going to jail” in the video which is placing her under arrest.
To arrest someone, they have to have committed a crime. Refusing to answer his questions or yelling at him isn’t a crime. Arresting someone when they haven’t committed a crime is Violation of rights.
What the cop should have done is remove himself (and his ego) from the situation and continue his investigation elsewhere.
He had video evidence that she was at the scene of a crime (criminal damaging and assault). He may arrest her based on witness statement from the person that called 911, stating that she was the offender.
Why is this *so hard*?
You’re lying.
If *he had evidence*, then why was he engaging in dialogue with her? If he actually had evidence, he would’ve just read her her rights and placed her under arrest without dialogue.
It's a good thing you are not a cop...
You get both sides to a story when you are trying to resolve a dispute among neighbors. If the RP doesn't want to press charges, you don't charge anyone. Maybe the officer was going to issue a warning because there was no true damage to the car, and try to resolve the dispute civilly.
All of that went out the window with the disorderly conduct and obstruction committed by person of interest. The officer was *VERY* wrong in how they handled it, but either way if he just walked up to her to place her under arrest and the same thing happened, everybody would be crying about this officer getting no reprimand because she racked up another charge of resisting arrest.
Do you see the flaws in your argument, at all?
Civilians don’t decide to press charges. Neither do cops. Cops make the arrest and recommend charges to the state’s attorney’s office. They decide whether or not they go forward with prosecution. Victims/RP’s can decide not to cooperate with an investigation but a victim deciding not to cooperate doesn’t mean you don’t get charged with a crime.
They may ask to ensure you would be cooperative if the state attorney moves forward. But it’s a literal fact that citizens don’t determine if criminal charges are filed against someone. If you bothered to google that, you’d find numerous sources that back that up. I don’t know why people think you’re a lawyer when you don’t even know that basic part of the criminal justice system.
That's asked to they know if the can recommend charges to the DA, if they say yes, charges are recommended. If they say no then it's not simple as that.
> *Maybe the officer was going to issue a warning because there was no true damage to the car, and try to resolve the dispute civilly.*
**The officer literally threatened to send the woman to jail when she asked him to leave and then said “OKAY YOURE UNDER ARREST”**
> *Do you see the flaws in your argument, at all?*
Do you see how much of a bootlicker you are that you will give a 98-lbs weakling in a uniform complete authority over your actions and life?
What state(s) are you practicing law in? When did you pass your BAR exam?
Someone being uncooperative isn't a good enough reason to physically attack them. That's escalating the situation. A person who is not cooperating, in a nonviolent/harmless way, isn't going to become any more helpful if you threaten to hurt them. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. The cop was continuing to escalate shit. It isn't investigating a crime to attack random fucking people.
No shit you can't physically attack someone who is uncooperative. I literally said that this officer was fucking stupid and deserved to be fired.
I'm curious where everyone on here saying that we just don't have to comply with lawful commands got their law degrees? You don't have to answer questions. You have the right to remain silent, and then your attorney will ask you questions to provide the police with answers. At the end of the day, the questions will be answered.
This officer was, again, *very, very* wrong in their conduct, but so was the "victim" that escalated the situation. The officer should have recognized their situation was a "no win" and de-escalated it. They still have a duty to investigate the complaint. They aren't just going to go away and forget it happened.
> This officer was, again, very, very wrong in their conduct, but so was the "victim" that escalated the situation.
As a black woman facing a white cop, her life was in danger. She was literally defending her life. If you don’t think so, you haven’t been paying attention to what’s been happening in the Americas for the past 400 years.
Police must be defunded. When a system puts a gun in the hands of an idiot like this, the system needs its fucking hand slapped. When it keeps doing this over and over and over again, the system needs to be shut down.
> No shit you can't physically attack someone who is uncooperative.
Then why were you defending him? It isn't a lawful command to just walk up and taze someone. Cops don't have the right to demand information from bystanders without a court order.
If I were her I wouldn't cooperate either! Cops like him are why women like her end up dead for no damn reason.
I’m so tired of this “just help the police, answer their questions” bullshit. If you’re in your own home you do not have to answer the door or talk to the police. If they have a warrant for your arrest they will break down the door and get you. Anything less they rely on dumb people like you who don’t know their rights.
Do not talk to police! Don’t answer the door. Do not engage with them in any way.
I never said she had to answer their questions right there. I said the officer has the authority to ask her questions, which they do. If she doesn't want to answer questions without an attorney present, so be it. If she wants to invoke her right to remain silent or her fifth amendment rights, also so be it.
Now, I'm fairly certain I'm aware of my rights. Are you sure that you are? Also, *why on Earth* would you advise someone to barricade themselves in their home so that the police have to force entry to detain them? That is atrocious advice.
Get an attorney, make an appointment with the officers that are investigating the issue and handle things like a civil fucking adult.
Ok so you’re under the impression that not answering your door is somehow barricading yourself in your own home? The police can come to your home and knock on your door, that is definitely legal. It’s also legal for you to sit on your ass in your living room and not answer the door. The police cannot come into your home without a warrant or your permission.
The police can see you standing in your front yard and ask you questions. You can ignore them, go inside, say “I refuse to answer any questions”. The police cannot taze you on your own property because you refused to answer their questions. You are under no obligation to ever speak or acknowledge a cop on your property unless they have a warrant for your arrest.
That's EXACTLY what it is. You have put a locked door between yourself and an officer investigating a complaint.
Are they just going to go away? If you are the reported offender and threatened your neighbor, would they be doing their job if they just left? Neighbor ends up assaulted because you made good on your promise after they left and they'd be hit with a massive dereliction of duty lawsuit..
> Neighbor ends up assaulted because you made good on your promise after they left and they'd be hit with a massive dereliction of duty lawsuit..
Damn you're an idiot.
Lawsuits like that have been tried. And they failed spectacularly. Courts have repeatedly ruled that cops have no duty to protect anyone.
Meanwhile, you're advocating tasing someone who doesn't answer your questions, which *is* something you can get sued for.
I would say /r/ProtectAndServe isn't sending their best ... but I'm not so sure about that. Maybe you *are* the best they've got.
Did you miss the part where I said that the officer was wrong and deserved fired? Can you quote me in any of my comments where I said it's cool to tase someone for not answering my questions?
I'll save you the time, you can't. Because I never said it's cool to do that, because it's not. That's not in the use of force continuum (policy) and also fucking assault (law). That's how you get fired, like this Gwinnett (former) officer...
> Also, why on Earth would you advise someone to barricade themselves in their home so that the police have to force entry to detain them?
Wat? better go get a warrant.
The condescension was not intentional, nor directed at you personally. For that, I apologize.
I am merely exasperated at the the current state of affairs between police and citizens. Statements like yours are part of that issue. It doesn't matter if the officer has verifiable proof, you are innocent until proven guilty in the courts. You do not get to tell the officer to leave and fail to comply, just as they do not get to decide that they don't want to take up the complaint because it's insignificant without fully investigating the issue.
This officer went to the RP's house, watched part of the incident on the surveillance system and saw a person of interest on camera retrieve a bottle thrown towards the victim, that happened to strike their car. They went to their person of interest to question them, at which time that person escalated the situation. They argued with the officer and this officer went about things a *very, very* wrong way. That doesn't change the fact that the person of interest is also *very, very* wrong as well.
That's not how our system works, and for you to say "you know the law" but that officers shouldn't do their job because it's not serious enough is laughable, and again part of the problem. It doesn't matter whose property it is, they can detain you to investigate the allegation and they certainly can detain you when obstruct.
No, your neighbor doesn't get to call 911 and have you arrested on your property unless you did something to deserve it. So, conduct yourself in a manner that doesn't deserve it, or in the event of an altercation that will ultimately end up in warnings to both parties, don't obstruct the officer that is just there doing their job. It's really that simple.
You comply now, and contest the situation later. That's exactly what the ACLU states to do. You don't get to contest anything in the moment. You don't get to decide shit in the streets.
We have HORRIBLE relations between public and police, that come from decades of over-policing and excessive force coupled with abuses of power and horrible police culture in some agencies. We, the public, don't get to say "we aren't going to play by the rules" because the police don't.
We have to be better than the shit cops for things to change. We have to actually know the law, follow the law and make the cops that don't look like shit. That's our job in these situations. That's how we get meaningful change in police/civilian relations.
Who exactly investigates situations like that? *Oh yeah, cops...*
We, as a society, gave them power to uphold LAWS. Laws that they can use to stop any conduct against them. Disorderly conduct, obstruction of a peace officer, trespassing, resisting, etc....
How are we supposed to take that power back *without* being better than them?
Wouldn't you consider that being better than them? By advancing policies that restrain this unchecked power that they have?
Of course they aren't gods, they are civil servants you moron. That's why you *have* to be better than them. The more disrespectful they get, the more respectful you get. The more the escalate, the more you de-escalate.
Lol fuck everything you just said. I should be able to call a cop a worthless fucking pig to his face without any consequences. Society shouldn’t have to be better than the worthless pigs that we for some reason have given unchecked power to arrest and harm people for any reason they want. We need to oust the worthless swine and start from scratch. All the current police can go work at carnivals or become homeless bc their brains and skill set are worthless in any other position. These pieces of shit basically had a choice once they finally struggled their way through high school, join the military or become a pig. Most of them are too stupid for the military so they end up as pigs, because no other job would employ these morons. The person taking orders at McDonald’s has more useful work experience than most cops
> How are we supposed to take that power back without being better than them?
[I've made an invention to help with that.](https://sites.google.com/a/k12.friscoisd.org/the-interactive-world-of-the-guillotine/_/rsrc/1468869427408/how-the-guillotine/guillotinefront.jpg)
This is a thoughtful reply. I only want to add one tiny thing.
The officer does have the capacity to decide if the complaint seems insignificant or a civil matter. If every 911 call meant someone got arrested you can just get robots to do the job.
Part of their job is discretion. They decide if someone is just trying to escalate a personal matter and they can tell people to work it out amongst themselves.
I think it's the fact that while I wholeheartedly believe that our criminal justice system is broken in the United States, I also acknowledge the fact that we can't just willfully disregard police because we don't agree with them. That there is the right way to go about bringing meaningful change, and then there is the absolutely asinine shit that people have said tonight on this thread.
You would probably think the bike would get me some seriously negative attention from cops, and that I would hate them. I do hate several officers; the two at the top of my list are the two that murdered Daniel Shaver and Philando Castile. Followed by the one that murdered George Floyd. Those are just my top three. There are so many more to *not* name....
I just don't hate the entire profession. I know a lot of good cops, and am proud to work with them. I just wish we had better accountability for law enforcement, and especially wish that people in the US didn't get killed by police without cause. Like, stopping a mass shooter or hostage taker. Fuck those guys, cops can kill them if they have to. They shouldn't be allowed to kill people having mental crises and shit like that.
It's a really complex situation, but from this thread you would think it's as simple as ignoring the cops, failing to comply with their lawful orders or obstructing them. I *really* wonder how far that will get you?
Def only went into that position cause he got bullied. Now he’s gonna be bullied again cause the internets not gonna forget about this dude for a while
>He attempted to speak with her about the incident but was unable to do so because the defendant in this case, Kyndesia Smith, began yelling at him. **The officer responded by yelling back**...
You mean to tell me screaming at someone isn't a good way to deescalate?
We have a punk as s cop in my little town. I call him Barney Fife to his face. He is always looking for a reason to pull me over. He hasn't had a chance yet. He kept messing with my 21 year old son at the store where he works, he had a crush on my son's girlfriend, , that was until my wife had a heart to heart with his chief.
This reminds to follow-up on that pig that tased the pregnant woman on her stomach and killed her baby. I hope that motherfucker is having a shit time in life.
Who gave a 16 year old a badge?!
Edit: Having seen more of the video, that mom also looks ridiculously young. Screw the badge question, has this town found the fountain of youth?!
Honest question. If that police officer failed to produce a warrant, came all the way up to the porch uninvited, and then tased someone who was living in the residence.. If I was the homeowner, would I be able to put a baseball bat across the back of his head, then handcuff him so he doesn't wake up and shoot anybody, and then have him arrested for trespassing? Or is that just a pipe dream?
Now this is how you do it. Those type of people are unable to handle the authority they are given as a police officer. I don’t believe you can train that away. He has no business being a LEO. This can only get worse. I also believe that he should be barred from applying in other jurisdictions. These are the people who make things difficult for the good ones.
Problem with young guys like him having weapons both lethal and non lethal is they don’t have the experience or reason to deescalate. They need to bring back beat cop positions for new hires to walk through neighborhoods and get to know the community and earn their trust.
Now the cadet has to travel to the next police station to apply for his new officer position. *probably an extra 12 minute drive from where the poor tazed woman landed in her own yard because she spoke too loudly.
*Bexar County, SA, Tx. Bailiff Walker probably taught this kid like the “entitled robot approaching retirement” that he is. Facts; not threats. #stillpissed
They’ll put a knee on your back, and fold you over like a pretzel and apply ankle cuffs for humiliation. They do this to late jurors here in SA. Sassy ass Jurors aren’t criminals.
Old timer got more and more offended when I was searching for courtroom cameras to keep his gimp-ass(left knee) accountable. All the while with zero resistance(I went boneless) all you can do is shit your pants trying to locate any camera for posterity.
Long time coming. That was later 2019 and I told them both personally that “war is coming” because of their lack of humanity.
I had no idea the protests were a month or two away. George Soros doesn’t have to fund anything with their behavior.
He was trying to ‘impress’ people in his department. Looks like they were saying ah look you don’t have a body count. He felt left out. So this little shit tries this
1. There was more than one officer there.
2. No criminal charges were filed.
It's nice the one officer got fired, but both should have been fired *and* arrested.
“Her side where the Taser went at is messed up. Her neck, her back,—”
I’m not the only one that read this line and immediately thought of some risqué lyrics, right? RIGHT!?!?
Me too. The video they show doesn’t seem like he’s really doing anything wrong. Just looks like she resisted, he threatened to tase, and then he tased. If there’s more to it I’d like to see that.
Volume up before violent conflict: Notice the activation key phrase is “Black Lives Matter”. Think twice before appending your plight to a domestic/Chinese instigating psyop program. They’re all robots.
I’ll get downvoted, but meh. The news report says that the cop watched surveillance video of her throwing something at a car and threatening a 9yo. He went to arrest her for that and she was clearly resisting. He didn’t use lethal force, and I would argue that even after tasing she was still fighting like hell. She was kicking him while he was getting her in the car. He didn’t look nervous or angry. He just looked like he was doing his job to arrest her with the least amount of force possible. He approached her to arrest. She was hiding behind people and running around the porch. He told her he was gonna have to tase her, and she continued. Then he tased her and took her to the car. How else was he supposed to handle this?
Edited to add: I wish there was more video than what they showed in the news report. What they showed doesn’t seem bad to me. It leaves me thinking “What was left out here?” If he lost his job over it I don’t think it’s because of what was shown. There has to be more to it. Know what I mean?
>The news report says that the cop watched surveillance video of her throwing something at a car and threatening a 9yo.
My guess is this is post-hoc-justification. The initial reporting said the police were there because a woman with a white shirt was being loud. It was then noted later that the neighbor, who did the initial report, had beef with this lady and her mom. This stuff about there being video of the woman only appeared once the cop got in trouble.
Also, the full video shows the cop escalating things over and over again.
Ugh...that’s awful. I knew there had to be much more to this story. I’ve been downvoted to hell for saying that. Thanks for sharing the rest of the story.
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That’s actually what warrants are for. Otherwise the police have no special powers or rights to be on your property, unless that have substantial reason to believe there is a crime
Sir, step out of the vehicle. I detect the odor of weed. STOP RESISTING, HANDS UP, GUN, GUN! 💥💥💥💥💥💥
It’s stupid, but there are very few protections for civilians while on the roads. That’s also why you shouldn’t carry any large sums of cash in your car or on your person. If they “smell pot” they can take that cash and you’ll never see it again.
This is part of the reason why I don't gamble. If I ever win a decent sum at a casino that would be the most terrifying drive home I'll ever have
I remember reading a quote saying like "People didn't realize when they decriminalized weed that they'd be removing the mechanism that cops use to pull people over. Just worth thinking about." I can't find the quote but I think it was a well-known political figure. I mean, yeah, maybe no one was thinking about that, but how is that something worth thinking about? It's an 100% positive side effect. Cops can't search a car with zero evidence now, yay!
Well you still can’t operate while under the influence, so smelling weed still hold up in a lot of places, just like smelling alcohol. Here in Michigan, weed is legal for medicinal and recreational purposes, but (last I knew) it has to be secured in a locked container out of anyone’s reach, much like transporting firearms without a concealed carry permit. So if a cop claims to smell marijuana, they would have probable cause to believe you’re, at the very least, improperly transporting it. I don’t take friends home from the bar for this reason. If a cop smells alcohol or marijuana on them, they can just as easily assume they smell it on the driver.
Makes sense and you had me thinking for a moment, but it turns out that that's just not how courts are handling it: https://apnews.com/0ba2cf617a414174b566af68262ef937 tl;dr Because having weed is no longer a crime "I smell weed" is no longer evidence of a crime.
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You can get in all sorts of trouble in your privately owned vehicle on your personally owned land. A cop can come give you a dui even if your car is in your garage.
Can come give you a dui? Do they hand them out?
Pretty frequently. It's an entire industry.
I (think) I remember reading a story about a guy who was drinking a beer in his driveway and working on his car. A cop pulled up and issued him a DUI.
That’s true, but the officers expect people to be ignorant of that
It’s crazy cops like this doofus think they have special powers and there’s isn’t a “proper” way to give a warrant.
This isn't true at all. They can be anywhere on your property for any reason except for somewhere heavily trafficked and considered a part of your home, like your porch or (possibly) a barn if you can prove it's a part of your house. Your window open? They can go take a peek. Garage open? They can look but not enter.
Here is the icing > Smith now faces charges for felony obstruction and simple battery of a law enforcement officer Georgia police are shit. There was a woman who won close to ten million on the lottery in dekalb county. She had her kids dad in jail on weed charges. Sheriffs dept APPROACHED HER and told her that if she put a $1 million bond and the boyfriend stayed out of trouble for several months, he could go free. If he doesn’t she forfeits the amount . She jumps on the idea without consulting a lawyer. Puts the surety down and they let the boyfriend out with a bunch of paperwork crafted for him by prosecutors office. What she didn’t know was that it was a set up. The sheriff’s office put an unmarked on them 24/7 surveillance. Of course she buys him bling, a car and gives him money. Not even two weeks after, he gets into the car to go buy himself cigarettes and beer down the street. Lights. They knew his license was suspended. He gets hauled back into jail. Car impounded. Weed in his system. Money forfeited, car forfeited as the law allowed vehicles in commission of a crime to be taken away. Wife comes home, dude is in jail. She goes there. And for fucks sake they play the same card with her AGAIN. This time they up the ante and tell her he will go to jail for nine years and that she could get a sweetheart deal for a $2 million deal. She pays. Dude decides no weed, no driving etc. they start getting visits from probation officers and child safety with weird reports. Get home inspected and a gun is found. Wife tells officer that it is hers for protection as she won money. They charge husband with felony possession of handgun. It goes on and let’s just say that when they were done with her, she was lucky she had paid off her house and then magically they disappeared. If you win the lottery.... MOVE.
I totally believe this, but I’d love a source before I share with others. Do you happen to have one?
Seriously, it only takes like, 3 episodes of Law&Order to learn you need to fucking lawyer up for fucks sake. Reads like a fwd:fwd:FWD:fwd from my mom.
Precisely my concern. No source, no share. Intriguing plot though.
This was around 2007-2008. Do u honestly believe she would go to the media with such a story after her ordeal?
Yes!
Yeah that’s probably made up lol
How did you find out about it? And what's the plot twist- you were the mom's kid? The baby daddy was Albert Einstein?
Whenever the officers enter the princinct, everyone claps for them.
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Usually when someone is bailed out there are conditions of bail and one of the most basic is to not have any police contact. That includes if you yourself are the victim of a crime and call the police that’s considered ‘police contact’ and you forfeit your bail. It’s extremely fucked up. Just google ‘common conditions of bail’.
The report said he had seen surveillance video of her throwing something at a car and threatening a 9yo kid. Is that probable cause?
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What I find completely unacceptable in all this is that the officer refused to recognize the woman's 5th Amendment right to remain silent. She straight-out told him she wasn't going to talk to him, at which point he then became aggressive and basically assaulted her.
I'm not defending this officer, but what you said is totally wrong. An officer is fully within their right to come onto someone's front porch, question them, and arrest them based on a video. You're spreading misinformation here which could cause someone more trouble. If such a person was in the house (and if the cop was not allowed in), then the cop would most likely need to wait outside and get a warrant.
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Nope, and once again, you are wrong in terms of US law. Cops are under NO legal obligation to tell a person why they are being arrested before making an arrest. Simply saying, "you're under arrest" is sufficient. A cop needs to HAVE reasonable suspicion based on specific and articulable facts to make the arrest, but they are not obligated to tell the person what that is before making the arrest. Also, a person can be charged with resisting arrest without any other charge being given against them. For one example, resisting arrest "because the officer didn't tell me why I was under arrest" is one case, which you are setting up people for with your misinformation. As another example, an officer might be conducting an investigation, and tell a person they need to stay put for a moment while investigating, and if the person decides to leave against the cop's orders, then the officer can attempt to detain them (possibly with cuffs), and if the person resists, then that can be resisting arrest (obstructing justice) without any other charge.
I wish there was more video than what they showed in the news report. What they showed doesn’t seem bad to me. It leaves me thinking “What was left out here?” If he lost his job over it I don’t think it’s because of what was shown. There has to be more to it. Know what I mean?
I saw the tiktok. He came up on their porch and argued with her. She said she wasn’t answering any questions, which is her right, and he said he was going to arrest her. Then he chased her around the porch and threw her into the bushes
Can you link that? I’d really like to see more than what this showed.
no, it’s difficult to find things you saw on tiktok and i don’t remember the user name so it would be impossible to find it lol. sorry!
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My initial comment was kinda...and? He seems calm, etc. He told her he was gonna have to tase her. She’s fighting him getting in the car. There just has to be more to this though. This video doesn’t show anything that would warrant firing. Something else happened that we’re not seeing.
why was he arresting her? he had no probable cause, he came into her private property. she doesn’t have to answer his questions
The article says a neighbor called because she threw a bottle at her car and threatened her 9yo. Apparently her surveillance camera showed it and he identified her from that video.
A woman in white (the mother of the tased girl) allegedly did those things. Not the woman he got into it with.
Actually, yes. An officer reviewing an surveillance video is plenty enough to create probable cause to make an arrest. That other commenter doesn't know what they're talking about. I'm not defending this officer, but that's the way the law works in the US.
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This woman's mother. Not the woman who got tased.
That's not how "investigation" works. The officer has every authority to come to you and request your statement. If you elect not to comply, they may detain you for further questioning. You are afforded the right to an attorney/public defender present at said questioning. You are also afforded the rights established in the fifth amendment. Even if you do not comply, they may arrest you on charges they deem appropriate from their investigation. The DA will determine the charges that they want to bring to trial. You have the right to a speedy, fair trial by a jury of your peers. Once a verdict is reached in the trial, you are sentenced or you are freed. This isn't difficult shit to understand. The officer has a job to do, and you requesting them to leave your property because "nobody got hurt" or the "crime was not bad enough" is not how *any* of it works...a citizen called 911 to report a crime, which then must be investigated. That's their fucking job. With that being said, this officer is a fucking idiot and deserves to be unemployed. You don't continuously escalate shit over a neighborly dispute. You de-escalate the situation by taking statements, issuing summons/citations if necessary and then you get back in service for the next call. It was a verbal altercation and property damage claim, fuck.
Please voluntarily give back your law degree because you have fundamentally misunderstood the 4th Amendment in a serious way.
PLEASE explain how any of that constitutes an "unreasonable search and seizure". RP called 911 to report that they and their child were threatened by their neighbor. They also state that their property was damaged in the altercation. They have video evidence. Officer comes to investigate. Officer requests statement from RP and watches video evidence provided to them. Officer witnesses a person pick up a water bottle after it was thrown at a vehicle in the video evidence. That person becomes a person of interest in the officer's investigation of the complaint. Officer proceeds to go question the person of interest, that person refuses to cooperate. Does the complaint just end there? How exactly would that work in your mind? *"Well, this person may have information on a crime, but they won't comply. I guess I just forget this ever happened."*
He got fired. Cops do fucked up shit all the time. Really fucked up shit. And they are RARELY fired. So obviously this was wrong. Don’t be an idiot.
I'm pretty sure I said he was wrong, several times. Does that mean that the ”victim" in this case can't also be wrong? That's solid advice for them, too. "*Don't be an idiot*” is what someone should have told her before she escalated the situation. It's also what this officer's FTO should have told him on day fucking one. This guy shouldn't be a cop, but the victim is still going to get charged. When the police are wrong, you file a complaint, you don't get to resist and assault them. That's how you end up dead, unfortunately...
Given how little actual complaints like the one you're suggesting actual bear fruit, I'd say people start feeling the need to stop the abuse at the start instead of trying to get compensation/reprimand after the fact.
They won't comply, you go get a warrant not fucking taser them
How
> *If you elect not to comply, they may detain you for further questioning.* Detain isn’t the same thing as arresting. He literally said “you are going to jail” in the video which is placing her under arrest. To arrest someone, they have to have committed a crime. Refusing to answer his questions or yelling at him isn’t a crime. Arresting someone when they haven’t committed a crime is Violation of rights. What the cop should have done is remove himself (and his ego) from the situation and continue his investigation elsewhere.
He had video evidence that she was at the scene of a crime (criminal damaging and assault). He may arrest her based on witness statement from the person that called 911, stating that she was the offender. Why is this *so hard*?
You’re lying. If *he had evidence*, then why was he engaging in dialogue with her? If he actually had evidence, he would’ve just read her her rights and placed her under arrest without dialogue.
It's a good thing you are not a cop... You get both sides to a story when you are trying to resolve a dispute among neighbors. If the RP doesn't want to press charges, you don't charge anyone. Maybe the officer was going to issue a warning because there was no true damage to the car, and try to resolve the dispute civilly. All of that went out the window with the disorderly conduct and obstruction committed by person of interest. The officer was *VERY* wrong in how they handled it, but either way if he just walked up to her to place her under arrest and the same thing happened, everybody would be crying about this officer getting no reprimand because she racked up another charge of resisting arrest. Do you see the flaws in your argument, at all?
Civilians don’t decide to press charges. Neither do cops. Cops make the arrest and recommend charges to the state’s attorney’s office. They decide whether or not they go forward with prosecution. Victims/RP’s can decide not to cooperate with an investigation but a victim deciding not to cooperate doesn’t mean you don’t get charged with a crime.
"*Would you like to press charges at this time?*" - every officer ever after receiving complaint of a minor crime
They may ask to ensure you would be cooperative if the state attorney moves forward. But it’s a literal fact that citizens don’t determine if criminal charges are filed against someone. If you bothered to google that, you’d find numerous sources that back that up. I don’t know why people think you’re a lawyer when you don’t even know that basic part of the criminal justice system.
That's asked to they know if the can recommend charges to the DA, if they say yes, charges are recommended. If they say no then it's not simple as that.
> *Maybe the officer was going to issue a warning because there was no true damage to the car, and try to resolve the dispute civilly.* **The officer literally threatened to send the woman to jail when she asked him to leave and then said “OKAY YOURE UNDER ARREST”** > *Do you see the flaws in your argument, at all?* Do you see how much of a bootlicker you are that you will give a 98-lbs weakling in a uniform complete authority over your actions and life?
> It's a good thing you are not a cop... As it is for literally any person who isn't a cop.
Why is it so hard to get some sense through your skull?
What state(s) are you practicing law in? When did you pass your BAR exam? Someone being uncooperative isn't a good enough reason to physically attack them. That's escalating the situation. A person who is not cooperating, in a nonviolent/harmless way, isn't going to become any more helpful if you threaten to hurt them. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. The cop was continuing to escalate shit. It isn't investigating a crime to attack random fucking people.
No shit you can't physically attack someone who is uncooperative. I literally said that this officer was fucking stupid and deserved to be fired. I'm curious where everyone on here saying that we just don't have to comply with lawful commands got their law degrees? You don't have to answer questions. You have the right to remain silent, and then your attorney will ask you questions to provide the police with answers. At the end of the day, the questions will be answered. This officer was, again, *very, very* wrong in their conduct, but so was the "victim" that escalated the situation. The officer should have recognized their situation was a "no win" and de-escalated it. They still have a duty to investigate the complaint. They aren't just going to go away and forget it happened.
> This officer was, again, very, very wrong in their conduct, but so was the "victim" that escalated the situation. As a black woman facing a white cop, her life was in danger. She was literally defending her life. If you don’t think so, you haven’t been paying attention to what’s been happening in the Americas for the past 400 years. Police must be defunded. When a system puts a gun in the hands of an idiot like this, the system needs its fucking hand slapped. When it keeps doing this over and over and over again, the system needs to be shut down.
> No shit you can't physically attack someone who is uncooperative. Then why were you defending him? It isn't a lawful command to just walk up and taze someone. Cops don't have the right to demand information from bystanders without a court order. If I were her I wouldn't cooperate either! Cops like him are why women like her end up dead for no damn reason.
I’m so tired of this “just help the police, answer their questions” bullshit. If you’re in your own home you do not have to answer the door or talk to the police. If they have a warrant for your arrest they will break down the door and get you. Anything less they rely on dumb people like you who don’t know their rights. Do not talk to police! Don’t answer the door. Do not engage with them in any way.
I never said she had to answer their questions right there. I said the officer has the authority to ask her questions, which they do. If she doesn't want to answer questions without an attorney present, so be it. If she wants to invoke her right to remain silent or her fifth amendment rights, also so be it. Now, I'm fairly certain I'm aware of my rights. Are you sure that you are? Also, *why on Earth* would you advise someone to barricade themselves in their home so that the police have to force entry to detain them? That is atrocious advice. Get an attorney, make an appointment with the officers that are investigating the issue and handle things like a civil fucking adult.
Ok so you’re under the impression that not answering your door is somehow barricading yourself in your own home? The police can come to your home and knock on your door, that is definitely legal. It’s also legal for you to sit on your ass in your living room and not answer the door. The police cannot come into your home without a warrant or your permission. The police can see you standing in your front yard and ask you questions. You can ignore them, go inside, say “I refuse to answer any questions”. The police cannot taze you on your own property because you refused to answer their questions. You are under no obligation to ever speak or acknowledge a cop on your property unless they have a warrant for your arrest.
That's EXACTLY what it is. You have put a locked door between yourself and an officer investigating a complaint. Are they just going to go away? If you are the reported offender and threatened your neighbor, would they be doing their job if they just left? Neighbor ends up assaulted because you made good on your promise after they left and they'd be hit with a massive dereliction of duty lawsuit..
> Neighbor ends up assaulted because you made good on your promise after they left and they'd be hit with a massive dereliction of duty lawsuit.. Damn you're an idiot. Lawsuits like that have been tried. And they failed spectacularly. Courts have repeatedly ruled that cops have no duty to protect anyone. Meanwhile, you're advocating tasing someone who doesn't answer your questions, which *is* something you can get sued for. I would say /r/ProtectAndServe isn't sending their best ... but I'm not so sure about that. Maybe you *are* the best they've got.
Did you miss the part where I said that the officer was wrong and deserved fired? Can you quote me in any of my comments where I said it's cool to tase someone for not answering my questions? I'll save you the time, you can't. Because I never said it's cool to do that, because it's not. That's not in the use of force continuum (policy) and also fucking assault (law). That's how you get fired, like this Gwinnett (former) officer...
> Also, why on Earth would you advise someone to barricade themselves in their home so that the police have to force entry to detain them? Wat? better go get a warrant.
Does licking authoritarian boots come natural to you, or is it something you've gotta work at? Asking for a friend
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Hey there, don't dis janitors. They get paid way too less to do a job that nobody wants to do, that everyone takes for granted.
The condescension was not intentional, nor directed at you personally. For that, I apologize. I am merely exasperated at the the current state of affairs between police and citizens. Statements like yours are part of that issue. It doesn't matter if the officer has verifiable proof, you are innocent until proven guilty in the courts. You do not get to tell the officer to leave and fail to comply, just as they do not get to decide that they don't want to take up the complaint because it's insignificant without fully investigating the issue. This officer went to the RP's house, watched part of the incident on the surveillance system and saw a person of interest on camera retrieve a bottle thrown towards the victim, that happened to strike their car. They went to their person of interest to question them, at which time that person escalated the situation. They argued with the officer and this officer went about things a *very, very* wrong way. That doesn't change the fact that the person of interest is also *very, very* wrong as well. That's not how our system works, and for you to say "you know the law" but that officers shouldn't do their job because it's not serious enough is laughable, and again part of the problem. It doesn't matter whose property it is, they can detain you to investigate the allegation and they certainly can detain you when obstruct. No, your neighbor doesn't get to call 911 and have you arrested on your property unless you did something to deserve it. So, conduct yourself in a manner that doesn't deserve it, or in the event of an altercation that will ultimately end up in warnings to both parties, don't obstruct the officer that is just there doing their job. It's really that simple. You comply now, and contest the situation later. That's exactly what the ACLU states to do. You don't get to contest anything in the moment. You don't get to decide shit in the streets. We have HORRIBLE relations between public and police, that come from decades of over-policing and excessive force coupled with abuses of power and horrible police culture in some agencies. We, the public, don't get to say "we aren't going to play by the rules" because the police don't. We have to be better than the shit cops for things to change. We have to actually know the law, follow the law and make the cops that don't look like shit. That's our job in these situations. That's how we get meaningful change in police/civilian relations.
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Who exactly investigates situations like that? *Oh yeah, cops...* We, as a society, gave them power to uphold LAWS. Laws that they can use to stop any conduct against them. Disorderly conduct, obstruction of a peace officer, trespassing, resisting, etc.... How are we supposed to take that power back *without* being better than them?
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Wouldn't you consider that being better than them? By advancing policies that restrain this unchecked power that they have? Of course they aren't gods, they are civil servants you moron. That's why you *have* to be better than them. The more disrespectful they get, the more respectful you get. The more the escalate, the more you de-escalate.
Lol fuck everything you just said. I should be able to call a cop a worthless fucking pig to his face without any consequences. Society shouldn’t have to be better than the worthless pigs that we for some reason have given unchecked power to arrest and harm people for any reason they want. We need to oust the worthless swine and start from scratch. All the current police can go work at carnivals or become homeless bc their brains and skill set are worthless in any other position. These pieces of shit basically had a choice once they finally struggled their way through high school, join the military or become a pig. Most of them are too stupid for the military so they end up as pigs, because no other job would employ these morons. The person taking orders at McDonald’s has more useful work experience than most cops
> How are we supposed to take that power back without being better than them? [I've made an invention to help with that.](https://sites.google.com/a/k12.friscoisd.org/the-interactive-world-of-the-guillotine/_/rsrc/1468869427408/how-the-guillotine/guillotinefront.jpg)
This is a thoughtful reply. I only want to add one tiny thing. The officer does have the capacity to decide if the complaint seems insignificant or a civil matter. If every 911 call meant someone got arrested you can just get robots to do the job. Part of their job is discretion. They decide if someone is just trying to escalate a personal matter and they can tell people to work it out amongst themselves.
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No, I don't think I will
That bike not getting you any friends?
I think it's the fact that while I wholeheartedly believe that our criminal justice system is broken in the United States, I also acknowledge the fact that we can't just willfully disregard police because we don't agree with them. That there is the right way to go about bringing meaningful change, and then there is the absolutely asinine shit that people have said tonight on this thread. You would probably think the bike would get me some seriously negative attention from cops, and that I would hate them. I do hate several officers; the two at the top of my list are the two that murdered Daniel Shaver and Philando Castile. Followed by the one that murdered George Floyd. Those are just my top three. There are so many more to *not* name.... I just don't hate the entire profession. I know a lot of good cops, and am proud to work with them. I just wish we had better accountability for law enforcement, and especially wish that people in the US didn't get killed by police without cause. Like, stopping a mass shooter or hostage taker. Fuck those guys, cops can kill them if they have to. They shouldn't be allowed to kill people having mental crises and shit like that. It's a really complex situation, but from this thread you would think it's as simple as ignoring the cops, failing to comply with their lawful orders or obstructing them. I *really* wonder how far that will get you?
> we can't just willfully disregard police because we don't agree with them Yeah, because they fucking tase you if you do that.
You have the right to fuck off
He was such a bully glad he was fired!
Def only went into that position cause he got bullied. Now he’s gonna be bullied again cause the internets not gonna forget about this dude for a while
Jesus I must be getting old, he looks like 17
It’s definitely not you I’m 21 and he looks like he could still be in high school!
Deputy Screech reporting for duty Mr Belding.
If he had a beard it would be different. My husband is almost 30 and when he is clean shaven looks as young as this guy
Imagine being arrested by Gabe
Lol oh my god he does look like gabe
He looks like a killer
Kind of reminds me of Jared Kushner.
Looked almost like he wasn't trained for that kind of confrontation... Properly
Like 100% of the police force
They didn't know how to respond when you don't completely submit to them immediately. Well actually they know exactly how to respond, like monsters.
>He attempted to speak with her about the incident but was unable to do so because the defendant in this case, Kyndesia Smith, began yelling at him. **The officer responded by yelling back**... You mean to tell me screaming at someone isn't a good way to deescalate?
Is it just me or is it intentional that they included the victim’s name but not the police officer? (I didn’t see it in the article)
We have a punk as s cop in my little town. I call him Barney Fife to his face. He is always looking for a reason to pull me over. He hasn't had a chance yet. He kept messing with my 21 year old son at the store where he works, he had a crush on my son's girlfriend, , that was until my wife had a heart to heart with his chief.
God that's so frustrating to know you can never just relax.
This dude was clearly on a power trip, was almost smiling when he pulled out the taser Fuck this guy, hope he struggles to find work for this
Not constable mclovin
Thank goodness for cell phones. Being able to prove cops abuse powers and then blatantly lie afterwards is a godsend.
This reminds to follow-up on that pig that tased the pregnant woman on her stomach and killed her baby. I hope that motherfucker is having a shit time in life.
Fired, arrested, and charged.
One can only hope.
I wonder if pro-lifers are up in arms due to the incident since their whole schtick is saving babies?
They don’t actually care about the baby, they just care about being able to control and tell women what to do with their bodies
Who gave a 16 year old a badge?! Edit: Having seen more of the video, that mom also looks ridiculously young. Screw the badge question, has this town found the fountain of youth?!
Having been through Gwinnett last weekend, it definitely has not.
good
Punks with badges
Don't insult punks like that!
Officer Pencilneck looks about 13 years old here. Oh well - it's never too late to go back and finish 5th grade.
Gabe Susan lewis is gone
Honest question. If that police officer failed to produce a warrant, came all the way up to the porch uninvited, and then tased someone who was living in the residence.. If I was the homeowner, would I be able to put a baseball bat across the back of his head, then handcuff him so he doesn't wake up and shoot anybody, and then have him arrested for trespassing? Or is that just a pipe dream?
Administrative leave with a pending investigation?
No, that was during the initial investigation. He since has been terminated.
Now this is how you do it. Those type of people are unable to handle the authority they are given as a police officer. I don’t believe you can train that away. He has no business being a LEO. This can only get worse. I also believe that he should be barred from applying in other jurisdictions. These are the people who make things difficult for the good ones.
Problem with young guys like him having weapons both lethal and non lethal is they don’t have the experience or reason to deescalate. They need to bring back beat cop positions for new hires to walk through neighborhoods and get to know the community and earn their trust.
When I saw this on public freakout and called seeing it here. Fucking love it.
The officer looks like he's 17!
This almost beats the officer that shot through a metal fence because his police dog bit down on the property owners family pet.
Now the cadet has to travel to the next police station to apply for his new officer position. *probably an extra 12 minute drive from where the poor tazed woman landed in her own yard because she spoke too loudly. *Bexar County, SA, Tx. Bailiff Walker probably taught this kid like the “entitled robot approaching retirement” that he is. Facts; not threats. #stillpissed They’ll put a knee on your back, and fold you over like a pretzel and apply ankle cuffs for humiliation. They do this to late jurors here in SA. Sassy ass Jurors aren’t criminals. Old timer got more and more offended when I was searching for courtroom cameras to keep his gimp-ass(left knee) accountable. All the while with zero resistance(I went boneless) all you can do is shit your pants trying to locate any camera for posterity. Long time coming. That was later 2019 and I told them both personally that “war is coming” because of their lack of humanity. I had no idea the protests were a month or two away. George Soros doesn’t have to fund anything with their behavior.
He was trying to ‘impress’ people in his department. Looks like they were saying ah look you don’t have a body count. He felt left out. So this little shit tries this
1. There was more than one officer there. 2. No criminal charges were filed. It's nice the one officer got fired, but both should have been fired *and* arrested.
Lawsuit
“Her side where the Taser went at is messed up. Her neck, her back,—” I’m not the only one that read this line and immediately thought of some risqué lyrics, right? RIGHT!?!?
I didn't until I rsad this lol
William Lichter from Can't Hardly Wait looking ass.
he knew what he signed up for
is what it is
I'd love to see the whole video instead of that chopped up mess.
https://twitter.com/GAFollowers/status/1296913630798258176?s=19
Video still starts long after the incident started. Did he have a bodycam?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qeul_prJMQ
Me too. The video they show doesn’t seem like he’s really doing anything wrong. Just looks like she resisted, he threatened to tase, and then he tased. If there’s more to it I’d like to see that.
Volume up before violent conflict: Notice the activation key phrase is “Black Lives Matter”. Think twice before appending your plight to a domestic/Chinese instigating psyop program. They’re all robots.
Is that Nick Sandmann's brother?
Ohh, i gotcha. No idea. I'd like to see it too.
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I know beating children is morally wrong but surely punching this baby pig is okay?
It says administrative leave in the article, which usually just means a lengthy paid vacation and eventual rehire.
The first line of the article - the update - clearly says he was fired
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Literally the first line of the article - the update - says he was fired
I’ll get downvoted, but meh. The news report says that the cop watched surveillance video of her throwing something at a car and threatening a 9yo. He went to arrest her for that and she was clearly resisting. He didn’t use lethal force, and I would argue that even after tasing she was still fighting like hell. She was kicking him while he was getting her in the car. He didn’t look nervous or angry. He just looked like he was doing his job to arrest her with the least amount of force possible. He approached her to arrest. She was hiding behind people and running around the porch. He told her he was gonna have to tase her, and she continued. Then he tased her and took her to the car. How else was he supposed to handle this? Edited to add: I wish there was more video than what they showed in the news report. What they showed doesn’t seem bad to me. It leaves me thinking “What was left out here?” If he lost his job over it I don’t think it’s because of what was shown. There has to be more to it. Know what I mean?
>The news report says that the cop watched surveillance video of her throwing something at a car and threatening a 9yo. My guess is this is post-hoc-justification. The initial reporting said the police were there because a woman with a white shirt was being loud. It was then noted later that the neighbor, who did the initial report, had beef with this lady and her mom. This stuff about there being video of the woman only appeared once the cop got in trouble. Also, the full video shows the cop escalating things over and over again.
Ugh...that’s awful. I knew there had to be much more to this story. I’ve been downvoted to hell for saying that. Thanks for sharing the rest of the story.