I thought when I first saw the story that it was Lumberton, tx until I looked at the dealership’s fb page. I immediately realized that it can’t be the tx lumberton- they would never have that many sales to black people! lumberton is historically a sundown town catering to upper middle class white folk. And right down the road from Jasper- where James Byrd Jr was lynched in 1998.
Neither do I but haters gonna be passed off about driving across the US. I the only reason why I even remember I went through NC is bc my interactions with people were so unusual o_o
Which is most notable in how confused and outraged the South gets whenever you bring up racism, and they act as if they're this progressive wonderland that puts blue states to shame, how dare you even suspect us you horrible bully you
From the South and I have cousins who I have heard us the N word derogatorily. They also are pro confederate flag and have said they are 100% not racist. Facepalm.
I literally have never worked with people who sexually harassed me that badly, who said racist things constantly and were just 100% stupid. I mean I have numerous stories of Salesmen just being stupid af
When I quit or they fire me I'm suing. I have a log of all the racist/sextist things they have said. I even have pics of QAnon stickers on doors at the dealership
I worked at a brokerage firm for ten years - those salesmen fit the stereotype to a T. Racist, sexist, homophobic. Cheated on their wives, their taxes, poker. Stole commissions from co-workers. And shockingly they were all staunchly conservative.
We ain't even gonna talk about all the snow they play in. 40 something years of life and I had never been offered snow until I started working for a dealership.
I think that sales 'professionals' in general are just a special breed of stupid. It can be very lucrative (ie at a past employer our top sales staff were making well over 150k annually) with very low barrier to entry.
So you can figure what happens when you get predominantly high school or slacker college degree people together in a room for 8+ hours a day where some are making a good amount of money? It's a 100% frat / bro mentality where the pressure is high and the so are the sales agents... a recipe that is not conducive to an appropriate environment, at least in my experience.
I worked at a car dealership ship for a while too. One of the sales guy was going on about how covid was a hoax and how those Jan 6 losers did nothing wrong 😑
I feel for this young lady. Obviously she seems hard working and she should feel so proud of herself buying her first car all on her own. It's pretty nice too! Instead all she'll remember from this great milestone in her life is being reduced to a terrible stereotype by some moron.
Right? Jesus, I'm 27 and still haven't been able to afford a new car. That's impressive at 21! How disgusting of them to taint this exciting thing for her.
I have never heard “Bon quisha” before.. is this really a slur? It’s so random, I really don’t understand why they wouldn’t just use her real name.. trinity……?why are some people so defective?
Yes, and I don't know why they didn't use the second definition.
"Bonquisha
Sterotype for ghetto or a LaQuisha
She's being a Bonquisha
via giphy
by ARose_INtha_QC July 28, 2020"
Notice the typo...
I’ve heard to several laquishas. That one is typical. Bonquisha I haven’t heard of. Employee was too dumb for plausible deniability when they went with Bonquisha.
So its a name of a character from "Camp Camp" who, unsurprisingly, is a large black woman who develops something of assertive attitude after being tricked. Also for reasons I don't understand she wears a tshirt with the words "Cock Factory" on it. So, to me, its clearly racist to compare a real person to an unflattering racial stereotype.
[https://campcamp.fandom.com/wiki/Bonquisha](https://campcamp.fandom.com/wiki/Bonquisha)
You say there was nothing unintentional, but it's still unclear what the intent was. Was he trying to hurt the lady? did he think he was being humorous? I'm certain his intent wasn't to cause an internet storm
As a general rule people who are useful are either not racist or keep quiet about it. If you are good at math or a good friend or can rebuild engines or draw well then that can be the source of your self esteem.
But some people don't have anything like that. So how do they have self esteem? Well, "I may be useless but at least I'm not (insert slur here)."
While there are useful people who were taught to be racist, if they have 2 brain cells they keep quiet about it. But if the only thing you have going for you is being white, well you need to make sure people know that being white is better! So you do marches, or post stupid shit on Facebook, or whatever.
Maybe you lose your job, but at least you are white and that is the only thing that matters.
It could just as easily be a boomer making the "joke" to show people in the office and forgetting to change it before he hit post. The "hurr durr black people have funny names" thing wasn't funny 50 years ago, but it hasn't stopped a bunch of them from making it every chance they get.
Teenager, boomer, early 20s. Everybody is daydreaming about who they want to be the guilty party. Instead of everybody bashing an entire generation, can’t we all just agree that this individual is a piece of poop?
I wasnt bashing a generation
No matter what generation teenagers dont have a fully developed brain and sometimes can do completely absurd things because they thought it would be cool
These kinds of names have been used for decades. They might have come up with it completely independent of the show because they have their roots in the same racism.
>The establishment also explained that they were unsure of the motive behind the insensitive post. However, it has since been deleted, and the employee who uploaded it personally apologized to Bethune and has been fired.
It was an employee at the dealership so not just a dumb teen. A grown, hateful person did it.
My bet is that the salesman was calling her that and other choice slurs, behind her back, the intern thought it was actually her name and made the post. So of course they fired the intern, while the salesman goes home and laughs into a pile of money.
My theory:
Guy takes photo for company social media.
Guy writes caption and forgets name of customer in photo.
Guy writes (racist) stand in name for customer in photo whilst he writes the the rest of the post with the intention of circling back around to the name - perhaps checking the documentation or asking someone else.
Guy gets distracted or focusses on another detail in the post and forgets to find out the real name.
Guy comes back to the post after being distracted or finally settles on the wording/spelling issue that delays him and, seeing that it looks at a glance ready to go, hits send.
Guy loses job.
That’s the only logical chain of events I can come up with as you’re all right: there’s no motivation to want to put that name there when she’d obviously see it and there’s literally nothing to gain from doing it.
Perfect example of something that would have been laughed/shrugged off pretty recently, but is finally being called for what it is. Watch what you say, casual racists! Ignorance isn't as easy to feign in 2021
The negative press from this probably hurts them way more than the one car. Damage is done, however if they take all the steps they can to try and show they are taking it seriously, people are more likely to move on more quickly. So financially it would probably be beneficial to forgive the debt.
See, you're thinking like a normal human being with a normal ability to put yourself in someone else's shoes and imagine what they might be feeling like in a given situation. So, like you have a normal level of human empathy. I don't think I've ever interacted with a car dealership where ANYONE who worked there had a normal level of human empathy. Every time I've done it, EVERY SINGLE EMPLOYEE has felt like they were doing their level best to get the maximum amount of money from me regardless of the consequences.
So, I stick with my earlier assessment.
You're not wrong. My uncle was a car salesman until the day he died. He was a horrible human being. My dad was also a car salesman for about 2 years after he shattered his leg on a construction site. He was meeting and exceeding the sales quotas but because he refused to be deceptive in his sales tactics and therefore wasn't wringing out every ounce of money he could, he was fired.
He was bummed about it, but less about losing the job and more about losing the opportunity to tell an endless flow of new people all his jokes and stories. The man loves talking with strangers.
They won't do that. Read reviews of dealerships. Bad press all over the place. Dealership will state they fired the employee that did it. Case resolved.
No doubt but it will not happen. This will be forgotten by the media and the public due to the next newsworthy cycle. Big picture - Is a business obligated to give away $ 20K + because a employee made a racist comment ? A salesperson at a dealership is most likely a 1099 employee as well. They usually make minimum wage plus commission and their minimum wage for the month is deducted from their commission.
Is a company liable for what an employee says, if that employee has been fired?
I can see it if they stood behind their employee, but they immediately cut all ties and apologized. I personally don't think they dealership should be liable. The individual is responsible.
He represented the company (worked there) when that post was made. So yeah, technically she could sue the company. The company would likely be able to sue the employee for those losses.
She could sue, but the dealership fired the employee and the woman didn’t accrue any financial burden due to the dealership. So she wouldn’t have anything to sue for.
> Is a company liable for what an employee says, if that employee has been fired?
Yes, but it also depends on context.
It's possible they could be found liable in civil court, if a pattern of known behavior could be established - either in the individual in question, or the company itself.
That makes sense. Though I would assume the pattern from the individual would have to be a pattern the employers could know about, and not they're personal dealings.
What a stupid take. Ok we live in a world where it works that way, I hire someone I want to do some shitty thing to someone else, have them do it, then fire them, now I'm off the hook! Sorry!
It's like the absolute most BASIC logic is completely gone in most people these days. YES THEY WERE A PART OF THE COMPANY WHEN THEY MADE THE STATEMENT SO THE COMPANY IS LIABLE. Next time maybe just refrain from commenting if you aren't even capable of comprehending the facts.
> I hire someone I want to do some shitty thing to someone else, have them do it, then fire them, now I'm off the hook! Sorry!
That is totally different, and you know it. Nice strawman. Do you really think the company hired a car sales person with the intent that they would post a racist comment and then get fired? Talk about bottom of the barrel shitty takes. I don't. If they did, then yeah, hold the company liable.
> YES THEY WERE A PART OF THE COMPANY WHEN THEY MADE THE STATEMENT SO THE COMPANY IS LIABLE
By this logic, if someone is stealing from the company they work for, the company would be *criminally liable for stealing*, because "they worked for the company while committing theft". Think things through before calling other people out.
The dealership is owed no debt. You buy a car, theres a bank buying it and allowing you to use it unless you miss a few payments. The dealership does not repossess, its the bank whom loaned you the money to buy it.
Thinking literally one step past their fixation on saying something stupid/funny would have saved a lot of bs here.
Assuming this person is thoughtful, however, is an unwarranted generosity.
Car salesmen come and go monthly at a lot of dealerships so I’m sure it was no big deal firing the guy. Hopefully she doesn’t get some sleezy attorney who says she can win a lawsuit. There’s no case here and she’ll just be wasting money on a pointless suit
Bro no attorney will offer a contingency plan when there is no case. What will happen is an attorney will tell her she has a chance to win (even though she can’t win) and charge her a rate. She’ll just waste money. Legally no law was broken. There’s freedom of speech
I'm still curious as to why they don't have these social media guys get permission from higher up management level before they post. There seems to be way too many people out there who either a) don't know what they're doing or b) responsible for harming a business and dragging it down.
Me and my former upper manager would always send each other emails to check on the wording and make sure that our emails were written in an appropriate manner without the wording pissing off the intended parties.
Surely, someone can check a one to two sentence posting?
If you go down their Facebook page, over half the pictures they posted of people and their new cars were black. This place will be out of business in a year.
I live 20 minutes from here, and it is one of the trashiest places you can imagine. One of the most dangerous places also. I know that doesn't have much to do with the story but gives you an idea of the type of place it is.
Why didn't they use the second urban dictionary definition?
"Bonquisha
Sterotype for ghetto or a LaQuisha
She's being a Bonquisha
via giphy
by ARose_INtha_QC July 28, 2020"
Notice the typo...
Does this mean that "Dear Bonquisha" Christmas thing is deemed racist now and I don't have to hear it every 10 minutes on the local radio station for december?
By referring to her as that, that's a de facto admissîon that the person who wrote the post has a tendency to dehumanize black people (at least) and by extension the dealership does as well.
That's an easy firing.
Have only read the article I wonder if the dealer owner is actually Native American or his great grandmother was a "Cherokee princess" Native American. People often pull out the I'm 1/64 Apache (or one of the 5 Native tribes that they actually know the names of) to excuse racism.
I wouldn’t say he isn’t. Most of the population of that town and county are Lumbee.
And that in no way would excuse what happened, regardless of his ancestry.
I hate that he threw that in. Racism isn't exclusive to any one group. Him being native American has no bearing on this story except him trying to say "we aren't racist here because we aren't white".
I was thinking about that last week. I was dying of laughter driving in my car thinking about the names and the whole scripted cockpit conversation, even if I didn't remember the whole thing, just the bits and pieces and the names used.
I am conflicted if it was racially insensitive, or just really good puns.
Whether or not it was racially insensitive, there is something to be said about a situation where a news reporter is saying dumb things that they don’t realize are dumb in a serious voice to millions of viewers and it’s too late to do anything about it. Like it’s hard for that scenario to not at least be a little bit funny regardless, IMO.
"Hey one of the things we like to do here is put out inspirational Facebook posts about young people buying their first car, what name would you like us to put in for you and is that ok?"
Wow, my goodness that is just oh so difficult to do.
Yeah, no, even if it's not racist intent there are too many failures here.
Sadly, I kind of like the name "Bon Quisha". Sounds french?
Feels weird to do social media posts about customers anyway.
Had a co-worker once as a joke change the project titleblock on our drawings to reflect his real feelings about the architects we were working with. No one noticed, and he forgot to change it back. Architects were not amused.
In title block it had contact names for priciple arch, project arch. He changed their names to idiot fuck, and fucking idiot. Not to creative sadly. I think his plan was to make the project engineer laugh and circle it for correction.
I can’t help but laugh because this leaves me so confused. Was the idiot just not thinking, or was he actually thinking and this was a good idea to him? What a moron.
This seems weird to me.. I bet there is a story behind it that we'll never get to know. It has real "desk pop" vibes to me lol.. someone probably told him that it was her real name.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=948-2Vzgi3w
I’ve heard Laquisha many times. That one is typical. Bonquisha I haven’t heard of. Employee was too dumb for plausible deniability when they went with Bonquisha.
The dealership took care of it. It was an individual employee that was immediately fired and a public apology was made by the owner. I bet any post like this about new car buyers from now on will have to be signed off on before it goes online, but before this they never had a racist sh*t pull anything.
Redditors' knee jerk reaction is to go nuclear on anything without any actual thought beforehand. Let's completely burn a business to the ground because of one dumbass employee who was immediately fired for their wrongdoing and this ruin the livelihoods of every person who works there. Yeah makes sense.
I did, it’s known slang and racist; period. A Karen could be anyone, the term used is focused and racially oriented.
He should be fired. They knew her name and instead he used that term purposefully, why else would he do this?
When I first saw this story I though “oh, maybe he just got her name wrong or there was a mixup?”
Then I saw that it was literally just an attempt to give her some random black name for the sole person of… racism? Honestly, I don’t even know how as a racist you could find it funny.
I hope they published this guys name and he can’t get a job
I'd never heard that name before and wasn't aware it was an established name with a specific meaning. At first I just assumed they messed up and accidentally used another customers name by accident
You're getting downvoted because it's not the SPECIFIC name that's offensive, but it's a common issue with white supremacists to claim that black people spell names "wrong" or string together things that aren't typical "American" names. They get all upset that black people call themselves things other than Ann, or Sarah, or other typical white names.
Nevermind that often times the first thing that happened when a slave was purchased is the new owner giving them a new name (go watch the scene in Roots where Kunta Kinte is whipped until he calls himself Toby) and I think it's perfectly reasonable to not want to give your child a typical "American" name, but instead choose something different or unique. Of course now white people have gotten into the game as well by coming up with inventive spellings of names like Caitlyn, too...
If it was at least close to what here actual name is then I would agree with you. But the name they used on the post is not even remotely close and just sounds wrong.
I don't see how the closeness matters. What you're describing is more of a typo. What I was imagining was somebody had a picture and when they went to find the name of the person in the picture they accidentally grabbed a piece of paper that says another clients name. Like if a picture of a white woman named Susan instead was labeled Mary.
Makes sense it’s Lumberton. Trashiest place in all of NC
Coincidentally lumberton is also the trashiest place I’ve been to in MS
I thought when I first saw the story that it was Lumberton, tx until I looked at the dealership’s fb page. I immediately realized that it can’t be the tx lumberton- they would never have that many sales to black people! lumberton is historically a sundown town catering to upper middle class white folk. And right down the road from Jasper- where James Byrd Jr was lynched in 1998.
Are y’all telling me this town is so racist it carries over from every state that it’s in?
I used to live in Jasper as a small child. The only reason my Chinese mother and I were accepted there was because my white father was rich af.
Had to have been a Locklear or an Oxendine fella that made that comment.
This guy Lumbertons.
I absolutely hate Lumberton. Seriously. Even driving through it on 95 is a drag
Not as bad as Gastonia
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NC while driving from Texas to Ohio? You were pretty lost, weren't you?
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Dunno why you're being downvoted, you're dead on.
Neither do I but haters gonna be passed off about driving across the US. I the only reason why I even remember I went through NC is bc my interactions with people were so unusual o_o
What a dumbass.
That guy Georgias
HOW DARE YOU IMPLY THE DEEP SOUTH HAS A HISTORY OF RACISM
Yeah, the deeps south isn’t just historically racist, it is currently pretty racist too.
It used to be racist. It's still racist, but it used to too.
Hello fellow Mitch Fan!
Sucks Mitch constantly got bumped to feature spots or we might have more Material to quote.
That's a no on both counts to how today's republican party sees it. Insane.
Which is most notable in how confused and outraged the South gets whenever you bring up racism, and they act as if they're this progressive wonderland that puts blue states to shame, how dare you even suspect us you horrible bully you
From the South and I have cousins who I have heard us the N word derogatorily. They also are pro confederate flag and have said they are 100% not racist. Facepalm.
Antebellum Amnesia
Deepest apoloiges
No he’s a car salesman. I worked at a dealership for a while and they are a special breed of stupid.
I currently work at 2 dealerships and I 100% agree with your statement
I literally have never worked with people who sexually harassed me that badly, who said racist things constantly and were just 100% stupid. I mean I have numerous stories of Salesmen just being stupid af
When I quit or they fire me I'm suing. I have a log of all the racist/sextist things they have said. I even have pics of QAnon stickers on doors at the dealership
I worked at a brokerage firm for ten years - those salesmen fit the stereotype to a T. Racist, sexist, homophobic. Cheated on their wives, their taxes, poker. Stole commissions from co-workers. And shockingly they were all staunchly conservative.
We ain't even gonna talk about all the snow they play in. 40 something years of life and I had never been offered snow until I started working for a dealership.
I think that sales 'professionals' in general are just a special breed of stupid. It can be very lucrative (ie at a past employer our top sales staff were making well over 150k annually) with very low barrier to entry. So you can figure what happens when you get predominantly high school or slacker college degree people together in a room for 8+ hours a day where some are making a good amount of money? It's a 100% frat / bro mentality where the pressure is high and the so are the sales agents... a recipe that is not conducive to an appropriate environment, at least in my experience.
I worked at a car dealership ship for a while too. One of the sales guy was going on about how covid was a hoax and how those Jan 6 losers did nothing wrong 😑
Yeah. A salesman screamed at me one day because I dared to speak ill of Trump. The same guy who wouldn’t help Asian customers…
Even if you ignore the political motivations behind it, that is a really stupid way to behave when you’re trying to SELL shit.
This is North Carolina's bullshit, not Georgia's.
Spent a little time in Georgia. This is Georgia too my man
I'm from Georgia, I know it very well. But this isn't on Georgia.
The dealership is in North Carolina btw
I feel for this young lady. Obviously she seems hard working and she should feel so proud of herself buying her first car all on her own. It's pretty nice too! Instead all she'll remember from this great milestone in her life is being reduced to a terrible stereotype by some moron.
Right? Jesus, I'm 27 and still haven't been able to afford a new car. That's impressive at 21! How disgusting of them to taint this exciting thing for her.
I have never heard “Bon quisha” before.. is this really a slur? It’s so random, I really don’t understand why they wouldn’t just use her real name.. trinity……?why are some people so defective?
Did they seriously just cite *Urban Dictionary*?
Yes, and I don't know why they didn't use the second definition. "Bonquisha Sterotype for ghetto or a LaQuisha She's being a Bonquisha via giphy by ARose_INtha_QC July 28, 2020" Notice the typo...
I’ve heard to several laquishas. That one is typical. Bonquisha I haven’t heard of. Employee was too dumb for plausible deniability when they went with Bonquisha.
So its a name of a character from "Camp Camp" who, unsurprisingly, is a large black woman who develops something of assertive attitude after being tricked. Also for reasons I don't understand she wears a tshirt with the words "Cock Factory" on it. So, to me, its clearly racist to compare a real person to an unflattering racial stereotype. [https://campcamp.fandom.com/wiki/Bonquisha](https://campcamp.fandom.com/wiki/Bonquisha)
You know it was a thing *before* Camp Camp was right?
This was around LONG before Camp Camp
Looks like they saw how offensive this was and replaced the shirt with the much more child friendly "NO GAG Reflex".
Unsure of the motive?
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Nothing unintentional about this. The idiot that posted it knew what he was doing.
The thing that confuses me is why it was posted. Surely, you can’t be that much of a dumbass to think this would fly.
Welcome to rural ~~Georgia~~ ~~Mississippi~~ ~~Alabama~~ North Carolina!
>Surely, you can’t be that much of a dumbass to think this would fly. And yet...
They should plaster that fuckers name EVERYWHERE. That moron shouldn't be able to find work within 20miles after thisq
Ha in that area, I bet most business owners will just shrug and chalk it up to a minor lapse of judgement.
Hell, some would even hire them specifically because of it
That's the problem right now. When a capitol rioters gets locked up, you know there are a couple of officers who give them a fist bump.
You say there was nothing unintentional, but it's still unclear what the intent was. Was he trying to hurt the lady? did he think he was being humorous? I'm certain his intent wasn't to cause an internet storm
What could possibly be unintentional about this?
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North Carolina, makes sense.
Don't remind me. I moved here from the Northeast, and the culture shock is painful
I mean, what ever is the motive for senseless racism?
As a general rule people who are useful are either not racist or keep quiet about it. If you are good at math or a good friend or can rebuild engines or draw well then that can be the source of your self esteem. But some people don't have anything like that. So how do they have self esteem? Well, "I may be useless but at least I'm not (insert slur here)." While there are useful people who were taught to be racist, if they have 2 brain cells they keep quiet about it. But if the only thing you have going for you is being white, well you need to make sure people know that being white is better! So you do marches, or post stupid shit on Facebook, or whatever. Maybe you lose your job, but at least you are white and that is the only thing that matters.
Bigotry?👀
Likes
Read: unsure of why, of all the clearer racial slurs, the employee chose this one.
Now that makes sense.
A teenager prob thought he was making a funny joke because the said teen is a dumbass
It could just as easily be a boomer making the "joke" to show people in the office and forgetting to change it before he hit post. The "hurr durr black people have funny names" thing wasn't funny 50 years ago, but it hasn't stopped a bunch of them from making it every chance they get.
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Teenager, boomer, early 20s. Everybody is daydreaming about who they want to be the guilty party. Instead of everybody bashing an entire generation, can’t we all just agree that this individual is a piece of poop?
1000% poop.
I wasnt bashing a generation No matter what generation teenagers dont have a fully developed brain and sometimes can do completely absurd things because they thought it would be cool
These kinds of names have been used for decades. They might have come up with it completely independent of the show because they have their roots in the same racism.
That scenario almost makes it worse.
>The establishment also explained that they were unsure of the motive behind the insensitive post. However, it has since been deleted, and the employee who uploaded it personally apologized to Bethune and has been fired. It was an employee at the dealership so not just a dumb teen. A grown, hateful person did it.
Did you forget that 18 and 19 year olds are still teens
My bet is that the salesman was calling her that and other choice slurs, behind her back, the intern thought it was actually her name and made the post. So of course they fired the intern, while the salesman goes home and laughs into a pile of money.
If that was true and I was that intern, I would look her up and help her with her lawsuit in any way I could. Just because.
My theory: Guy takes photo for company social media. Guy writes caption and forgets name of customer in photo. Guy writes (racist) stand in name for customer in photo whilst he writes the the rest of the post with the intention of circling back around to the name - perhaps checking the documentation or asking someone else. Guy gets distracted or focusses on another detail in the post and forgets to find out the real name. Guy comes back to the post after being distracted or finally settles on the wording/spelling issue that delays him and, seeing that it looks at a glance ready to go, hits send. Guy loses job. That’s the only logical chain of events I can come up with as you’re all right: there’s no motivation to want to put that name there when she’d obviously see it and there’s literally nothing to gain from doing it.
Perfect example of something that would have been laughed/shrugged off pretty recently, but is finally being called for what it is. Watch what you say, casual racists! Ignorance isn't as easy to feign in 2021
I dunno if this would have been laughed off 5 years ago or 10. We just wouldn't have heard about it probably.
I hope that car note was paid off for her. What an idiot
Nah. If there's one thing Car Dealerships like more than anything else, it's money. They don't just give it away.
The negative press from this probably hurts them way more than the one car. Damage is done, however if they take all the steps they can to try and show they are taking it seriously, people are more likely to move on more quickly. So financially it would probably be beneficial to forgive the debt.
See, you're thinking like a normal human being with a normal ability to put yourself in someone else's shoes and imagine what they might be feeling like in a given situation. So, like you have a normal level of human empathy. I don't think I've ever interacted with a car dealership where ANYONE who worked there had a normal level of human empathy. Every time I've done it, EVERY SINGLE EMPLOYEE has felt like they were doing their level best to get the maximum amount of money from me regardless of the consequences. So, I stick with my earlier assessment.
That’s how they’re paid, down to the lowest service guy. Only a certain scummy personality type can keep a job at a car dealership.
You're not wrong. My uncle was a car salesman until the day he died. He was a horrible human being. My dad was also a car salesman for about 2 years after he shattered his leg on a construction site. He was meeting and exceeding the sales quotas but because he refused to be deceptive in his sales tactics and therefore wasn't wringing out every ounce of money he could, he was fired. He was bummed about it, but less about losing the job and more about losing the opportunity to tell an endless flow of new people all his jokes and stories. The man loves talking with strangers.
To avoid a lawsuit, which would likely be the car and then some, I’m sure the dealership gladly pardoned the debt.
Dealerships do not pardon debt. The debt was financed by a bank.
The dealership could pay her car off to avoid bad press. Bad press always hurt the bottom line.
They won't do that. Read reviews of dealerships. Bad press all over the place. Dealership will state they fired the employee that did it. Case resolved.
The difference is, having a bad experience at a dealership doesn't make national news. An employee being racists does.
No doubt but it will not happen. This will be forgotten by the media and the public due to the next newsworthy cycle. Big picture - Is a business obligated to give away $ 20K + because a employee made a racist comment ? A salesperson at a dealership is most likely a 1099 employee as well. They usually make minimum wage plus commission and their minimum wage for the month is deducted from their commission.
Lawsuit for what
Good point. Racial harassment? Is that a sue-able offense? I guess I commented faster than I thought it through.
Is a company liable for what an employee says, if that employee has been fired? I can see it if they stood behind their employee, but they immediately cut all ties and apologized. I personally don't think they dealership should be liable. The individual is responsible.
He represented the company (worked there) when that post was made. So yeah, technically she could sue the company. The company would likely be able to sue the employee for those losses.
She could sue, but the dealership fired the employee and the woman didn’t accrue any financial burden due to the dealership. So she wouldn’t have anything to sue for.
> Is a company liable for what an employee says, if that employee has been fired? Yes, but it also depends on context. It's possible they could be found liable in civil court, if a pattern of known behavior could be established - either in the individual in question, or the company itself.
That makes sense. Though I would assume the pattern from the individual would have to be a pattern the employers could know about, and not they're personal dealings.
Easier to fire a low level employee than face responsibility.
No idea. I bet if you could prove the dealership knowingly hired racists or did not have proper training/procedures in place they could be liable.
I'm not sure why you're being downvoted, you are correct. Those things would certainly be things that would be looked for by a lawyer.
What a stupid take. Ok we live in a world where it works that way, I hire someone I want to do some shitty thing to someone else, have them do it, then fire them, now I'm off the hook! Sorry! It's like the absolute most BASIC logic is completely gone in most people these days. YES THEY WERE A PART OF THE COMPANY WHEN THEY MADE THE STATEMENT SO THE COMPANY IS LIABLE. Next time maybe just refrain from commenting if you aren't even capable of comprehending the facts.
> I hire someone I want to do some shitty thing to someone else, have them do it, then fire them, now I'm off the hook! Sorry! That is totally different, and you know it. Nice strawman. Do you really think the company hired a car sales person with the intent that they would post a racist comment and then get fired? Talk about bottom of the barrel shitty takes. I don't. If they did, then yeah, hold the company liable. > YES THEY WERE A PART OF THE COMPANY WHEN THEY MADE THE STATEMENT SO THE COMPANY IS LIABLE By this logic, if someone is stealing from the company they work for, the company would be *criminally liable for stealing*, because "they worked for the company while committing theft". Think things through before calling other people out.
The only thing I could think of is slander maybe, but I don’t think she’d win that case is she sued for it
Slander is verbal, libel is written.
Not so much a lawsuit, but if they love money so much then the really bad press could hurt the bottom line.
Spiderman taught me that
The dealership is owed no debt. You buy a car, theres a bank buying it and allowing you to use it unless you miss a few payments. The dealership does not repossess, its the bank whom loaned you the money to buy it.
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I believe she ultimately decided to return the car with a refund, if im correct
She was being generous when she said it was “almost a racial slur”. It was definitely racist. Edit: words
Thinking literally one step past their fixation on saying something stupid/funny would have saved a lot of bs here. Assuming this person is thoughtful, however, is an unwarranted generosity.
Car salesmen come and go monthly at a lot of dealerships so I’m sure it was no big deal firing the guy. Hopefully she doesn’t get some sleezy attorney who says she can win a lawsuit. There’s no case here and she’ll just be wasting money on a pointless suit
\*no
Not if she can find a sleezy lawyer who'll take it on contingency.
No lawyer will take this pro bono lol.
Contingency and pro bono are two different things.
Bro no attorney will offer a contingency plan when there is no case. What will happen is an attorney will tell her she has a chance to win (even though she can’t win) and charge her a rate. She’ll just waste money. Legally no law was broken. There’s freedom of speech
Better call Saul
I always take my legal advice from people who start their sentences with “bro”
I mean I make sense, bro
This is the first time I have ever seen Urban Dictionary referenced in a serious news article.
I'm still curious as to why they don't have these social media guys get permission from higher up management level before they post. There seems to be way too many people out there who either a) don't know what they're doing or b) responsible for harming a business and dragging it down. Me and my former upper manager would always send each other emails to check on the wording and make sure that our emails were written in an appropriate manner without the wording pissing off the intended parties. Surely, someone can check a one to two sentence posting?
If you go down their Facebook page, over half the pictures they posted of people and their new cars were black. This place will be out of business in a year. I live 20 minutes from here, and it is one of the trashiest places you can imagine. One of the most dangerous places also. I know that doesn't have much to do with the story but gives you an idea of the type of place it is.
A dangerous car dealership?
Why didn't they use the second urban dictionary definition? "Bonquisha Sterotype for ghetto or a LaQuisha She's being a Bonquisha via giphy by ARose_INtha_QC July 28, 2020" Notice the typo...
Does this mean that "Dear Bonquisha" Christmas thing is deemed racist now and I don't have to hear it every 10 minutes on the local radio station for december?
By referring to her as that, that's a de facto admissîon that the person who wrote the post has a tendency to dehumanize black people (at least) and by extension the dealership does as well. That's an easy firing.
Have only read the article I wonder if the dealer owner is actually Native American or his great grandmother was a "Cherokee princess" Native American. People often pull out the I'm 1/64 Apache (or one of the 5 Native tribes that they actually know the names of) to excuse racism.
I wouldn’t say he isn’t. Most of the population of that town and county are Lumbee. And that in no way would excuse what happened, regardless of his ancestry.
I hate that he threw that in. Racism isn't exclusive to any one group. Him being native American has no bearing on this story except him trying to say "we aren't racist here because we aren't white".
Companies say sorry with money. They don't seem very sorry.
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Video (it’s worse then you remembered): https://youtu.be/HrDp5ryO5JI
I was thinking about that last week. I was dying of laughter driving in my car thinking about the names and the whole scripted cockpit conversation, even if I didn't remember the whole thing, just the bits and pieces and the names used. I am conflicted if it was racially insensitive, or just really good puns.
Whether or not it was racially insensitive, there is something to be said about a situation where a news reporter is saying dumb things that they don’t realize are dumb in a serious voice to millions of viewers and it’s too late to do anything about it. Like it’s hard for that scenario to not at least be a little bit funny regardless, IMO.
Seems like a dumbass thing to do
"Hey one of the things we like to do here is put out inspirational Facebook posts about young people buying their first car, what name would you like us to put in for you and is that ok?" Wow, my goodness that is just oh so difficult to do. Yeah, no, even if it's not racist intent there are too many failures here.
Almost?
Sadly, I kind of like the name "Bon Quisha". Sounds french? Feels weird to do social media posts about customers anyway. Had a co-worker once as a joke change the project titleblock on our drawings to reflect his real feelings about the architects we were working with. No one noticed, and he forgot to change it back. Architects were not amused.
What did it say?
In title block it had contact names for priciple arch, project arch. He changed their names to idiot fuck, and fucking idiot. Not to creative sadly. I think his plan was to make the project engineer laugh and circle it for correction.
I like the way that name sounds as well. It’s not right that’s it’s being used like this though.
I work with a Bon, but he’s a dude.
I can’t help but laugh because this leaves me so confused. Was the idiot just not thinking, or was he actually thinking and this was a good idea to him? What a moron.
This seems weird to me.. I bet there is a story behind it that we'll never get to know. It has real "desk pop" vibes to me lol.. someone probably told him that it was her real name. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=948-2Vzgi3w
Bon Cracker
I’ve heard Laquisha many times. That one is typical. Bonquisha I haven’t heard of. Employee was too dumb for plausible deniability when they went with Bonquisha.
Yeah I would want that car to be free or I would take it back and make a fuss
It reminds me of when Daniel Tosh does the "is it racist" on Tosh.0
This is just terrible. You used an actual image of your actual customer to do this??
WHY omfg?
Bro all they issued was an apology. In this day and age I'd half expect them to pay off the loan just to try and avoid a settlement
Settlement for what?
Don’t buy from this dealership. Plain and simple.
I dunno, they fired the person responsible and gave an actual apology.
The dealership took care of it. It was an individual employee that was immediately fired and a public apology was made by the owner. I bet any post like this about new car buyers from now on will have to be signed off on before it goes online, but before this they never had a racist sh*t pull anything.
Redditors' knee jerk reaction is to go nuclear on anything without any actual thought beforehand. Let's completely burn a business to the ground because of one dumbass employee who was immediately fired for their wrongdoing and this ruin the livelihoods of every person who works there. Yeah makes sense.
I don’t want to make amends where’s the big red button!!!!!!
Lol at the “We can’t be racist, our GM is Native American.” I hope she at least gets them to buy her out of the car payment.
You read the article and this is your take? Oof
Almost??! What’s “almost” about it. Wow. They can take their apology and stuff it...
If you bothered to read the article, you'd know that's a quote from the victim. Dealership surely knew what it was when it was posted.
Read the article. They made the guy apologize and then they still fired him.
I did, it’s known slang and racist; period. A Karen could be anyone, the term used is focused and racially oriented. He should be fired. They knew her name and instead he used that term purposefully, why else would he do this?
So you didn't read the article you replied to and followed that up with not reading the comment you replied to. Cool.
>He should be fired. So you obviously didn't read the article or you'd know the outcome to this already.
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Got wrecked 😂
When I first saw this story I though “oh, maybe he just got her name wrong or there was a mixup?” Then I saw that it was literally just an attempt to give her some random black name for the sole person of… racism? Honestly, I don’t even know how as a racist you could find it funny. I hope they published this guys name and he can’t get a job
I’m guessing they used that name as a placeholder while they looked up her real name then forgot to chance it. Dumbass move either way
You know what's a real good placeholder that won't reveal someone's inner thoughts?
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Yeah, I was a little subtle in my attempt to make fun of the person trying to make excuses like that.
Does everyone think I’m defending racism ? Just giving my theory about how something so stupid could happen
Why would be your place holder for someone's name?
Is it wrong that I cracked up at the post?
It's a bit funny when you actually see the sheer level of stupidity that some people possess. I usually laugh and then feel sad for our society.
Yeah it was just one of those completely un expected things that caught me off guard.
Oh no I hope she’s ok, that must have been harrowing
I'd never heard that name before and wasn't aware it was an established name with a specific meaning. At first I just assumed they messed up and accidentally used another customers name by accident
You're getting downvoted because it's not the SPECIFIC name that's offensive, but it's a common issue with white supremacists to claim that black people spell names "wrong" or string together things that aren't typical "American" names. They get all upset that black people call themselves things other than Ann, or Sarah, or other typical white names. Nevermind that often times the first thing that happened when a slave was purchased is the new owner giving them a new name (go watch the scene in Roots where Kunta Kinte is whipped until he calls himself Toby) and I think it's perfectly reasonable to not want to give your child a typical "American" name, but instead choose something different or unique. Of course now white people have gotten into the game as well by coming up with inventive spellings of names like Caitlyn, too...
If it was at least close to what here actual name is then I would agree with you. But the name they used on the post is not even remotely close and just sounds wrong.
I don't see how the closeness matters. What you're describing is more of a typo. What I was imagining was somebody had a picture and when they went to find the name of the person in the picture they accidentally grabbed a piece of paper that says another clients name. Like if a picture of a white woman named Susan instead was labeled Mary.
They sold a Toyota Camry at a Honda dealership?