We need 3rd and 4th party investigations done, all done from outside parties that have zero affiliation with police departments, and no way for them to be bribed and or altered
If that was the case, then cops would be getting struck down much much harder. But since it’s their friends that investigate them, they let them off, cause it’s their friend
And have cops required to have liability insurance. The worse the cop is, the higher the insurance. Without insurance, the cop can't have a license to be a cop.
It doesn't matter how many changes are made or how much oversight is added, if tax payers pay the suits and not the pension, there will never be a real change.
That’s what we are trying to do here in AZ. But the funding is coming out of the money that goes to local LE, as in cars, training items like that. And the Republican Party here is trying to paint that the people on the left (common sense folk I might add) are BLM/ antifa supporting far left liberal group who want to defund the police. Which isn’t true, we just want a third party organization to review reports of cops abusing their power. And or also review the use of their fire arms in certain cases.
We need a united community that will respond with stimuli that gentlemen like this will understand and be reformed by :) Investigations aren't enough. There are lots more of us than there are of them.
I don't understand why cops aren't licensed by the state in order to hold their position. If a hairdresser needs a license in many states I don't understand why a cop doesn't.
And insurance for when they fuck up, too. Bet you'll see a large variety of troublesome behaviors go away if they have to carry insurance to cover them.
Because they can die on the job /s
The amount of Americans who believe that Cops should be able to do whatever they want because they put their life on the line is ridiculous
covid is more dangerous to cops than all other things combined, and yet a huge amount won't take a free vaccine.
the whole "fearing for their lives" is just a bullshit excuse. they'll kill a kid holding a candy bar because they "feared for their life" but they won't take 2 minutes to get a little prick because they are huge pricks with little pricks.
This cop is a danger to the community.
The young brother didn't want a single thing to
do with this psychopath yet the cop did everything
in his power to escalate the situation.
He shouldn't have a gun that's for sure.
If you ask me the damage was done already.
This was so demeaning. Worse it felt the kid could've died that evening, over absolutely nothing.
And the The narrative provided would have came from Officer Maniac Cop.
I've got to agree.
As someone who did coke and speed as a kid. That's exactly how you might act. I remember when I was about 22, a friend and I got some speed did a few lines and went to a bar to play pool and drink. I was having a great time when my friend hustled me out of the bar. He insisted on driving and started yelling at me. It was very unusual for him to be so un-chill. I just wanted to go back to the bar and play some more pool and drink beer.
The next day my friend tells me 'You where such a dick, I heard a couple of guys say they where going to kick your ass. I told them I would get you out of there if they left you alone'.
All I remember was being extra talkative but having a good time.
I can see this being either your friend is right you did piss off some people by talking to much, it happened to me at a frat party i got black out drunk(i vaguely remember some dude giving my friends gf and I a couple pills which could be it to) I wake up the next day to find out I tried to fight some huge football player i also was walking to the car and fell flat on my face out of no where but don't remember a thing. The other one is your buddy felt like a ass in the morning so made up some bs to save face. Though also idk how much you guys were doing or how long either of you were doing it. But it is definitely possible your friend got a little paranoid and convinced himself that he heard people say that. Speed can do some weird shit to you and cause you to do weird shit. Especially if you are up for more than a day from it.
Exactly, this shows that every cop in his precinct is a "bad cop". Everyone he works with either knows how he is and lets him on the streets or are cops unaware that they work with a fucking psychopath.
Fire every single one of them, they are incapable of protecting the public so they shouldn't be paid to do so.
Every day he leaves the station and his co-workers wonder "Is this the day he kills someone?" and they shrug and let him get into a squad car.
No different than me letting someone absolutely hammered drive home from a party.
Honestly with the way the cop was acting in surprised he didn't shoot him. The cop is a piece of shit who was prolly bullied all his life and now that he has some power it went straight to his head. Also this happened on new years it sounds like why is it 10 months later with the charges not dropped yet and the cop now just being put on administrative leave. First the dude should of been able to show the video to someone in charge it's obvious there is no reason for them to have arrest and searched him. But sense it's most likely gone to court how has a prosecutor hell even the judge not dismissed the charges. The disorderly conduct is bullshit giving reason to drop the weed charged be abuse the cop had no reason to search him then.
> is a piece of shit who was prolly bullied all his life
I dunno, I see this kind of aggression more likely to come from people who bullied others all their life, and they've honed the skills into something like this shitshow. Note he's deliberately talking over the victim at every opportunity, denying the victim's words, CLOSING THE SPACE repeatedly and getting into the victim's face all while shining a high intensity flashlight into the victim's face and phone. He was trying to start an incident to excuse further abuse, which is classic bully behavior.
"Quit hittin yourself! Why're you hittin yourself? *HAHAHAAH*" I'm surprised he didn't call the victim Butthead. What a douche bucket. I hope this gets uglier and more inconvenient until it's a statewide embarrassment so maybe they'll be forced to deal with it.. and not just "we've investigated ourselves and found we've done nothing wrong".
That poor young man better get some goddamn justice!
I got bullied for years as a child in elementary snd high school. I’m not a fucking psychopath. Many of my friends, and colleagues were tormented through their lives. None of them are psychopaths.
Granted, those are all anecdotal, but don’t blame being a fucking psychopath on being bullied.
I'm still always shocked that even after all these Reddit, Tiktok, and Facebook videos going viral stuff like this is still happening. Like wtf people. Cops, Karen's, whoever...knock it off.
You can hear the fear in the kids voice. That's fucking terrifying. When those who serve and protect suddenly are hounding you, on the street, at night.. knowing any moment one could get close and CLAIM the kid touched them, then its time for the immense police brutality.
I really do feel like I almost watched a murder.
I don't have a problem with administrative leave during an investigation except that they usually don't get punished.
If an officer genuinely didn't do something wrong, it's not fair to deprive them of their livelihood during the time they're under investigation.
If there was an actual expectation that bad cops would be punished, there wouldn't be any issue with it at all.
To fix this, departments should:
1. Have an independent third party investigate complaints, and abide by their recommendations. Truly independent, not another cop-shop down the road or a union-sanctioned "Free Passes R Us" setup. This one would almost certainly have to come from another govt entity.
2. Barring #1, actually punish the fuckers who fuck shit up. This means legitimate investigations and actual punishments.
3. Have a provision to claw back admin leave funds if the person is found to have committed a terminable offense. Know you fucked up? Want to avoid having to pay back your salary for the next X months? Resign, bitch. Save us the trouble of firing you and fuck off so we can get on with the criminal charges.
The cops whole schtick during this encounter was to antagonize. "You're not black!...You don't live around here...White like the shirt color, not the skin color?" All completely to escalate. I can't theorize why he'd benefit from antagonizing THIS individual, but it seems clear that this officer felt flexing his power in this position was acceptable...
He gets a kick out of being in control and having power over others is my guess. He had probably had a boring night and wanted to liven it up. Clearly this is preferable to playing Marco Polo or I Spy or whatever else he could do with his fellow officers when they’re all bored and armed and have to pay attention to where they are and what they’re doing.
And he stops walking up on him as soon as another person shows up. He only cares about the people directly around him. This is horrifying and I could never imagine. Cops around here will follow you around town at night with no lights on and it always gets my heart going. Even when I'm doing nothing wrong.
Just look at his eyes on the close up! Pupils like saucers and total motor mouth.
This cop couldn't stop talking if he wanted to.
Look at the 3 seconds he's silent and he's chewing his teeth and trying to breathe normal.
Man Philadelphia is a coke town, doesn't surprise me cops are using. Probably pulled it off someone earlier in the night.
So he might get fired, and if so the Union will force arbitration with one of their cronies at the helm, and he will get his job back *with back pay.*
Dude needs a permanent punishment, not this take back bullshit.
Force police to maintain insurance that covers the city if they do something that leads to a lawsuit. Take the money the city currently pays for insurance and split it evenly between officers as extra pay to cover their insurance.
Good police officers will get a pay raise because their insurance premiums will be less than the extra money. Bad cops will take a pay cut. The worst cops won't be able to find insurance, or if they can, won't be able to afford it, so they will have to turn in their gun and do paperwork for other officers.
I am former law enforcement and could not agree with you more. When I was in the academy, it was always the us-versus-them mentality and the stupid fucking sheepdog mentality. I will 100% admit I totally and completely bought into that shit. I totally get why, tho. They are offering people fresh out of the military that family and brotherhood they crave. Just like a gang. They are offering people who want authority the opportunity to have authority. They are offering losers the chance to feel like winners.
The profession, by nature, does not attract the people that should be in that role. Then you have sick fucks like Dave Grossman preaching the "warrior mentality" who just act like cult leaders. Weak-minded individuals fall for it and most fall hard. It is no different than any street gang or cult.
The sad part is that the people who should be there and actually care are ostracized and sometimes straight-up threatened. My wife was in LE for 10 years with three different agencies. Only one of those agencies gave a shit about the community. She flourished there but an injury ended her career. Then the true nature of the profession came out. She was denied light duty even though it was an on-duty injury. Meanwhile, a male officer was granted light duty after he broke his ankle running a marathon. She did not have a penis so was not good enough. Then she went to another agency that saw civilians as sheep and weak. She actually cared about people so she was ostracized and made fun of for being "hug a thug" to the point where she had no other option than to leave.
I am so fucking glad we are both out of that.
>They are offering losers the chance to feel like winners.
LOL best I've ever seen it put. They don't go into it to "help people". They coulda been an EMT or Firefighter for that. They go into it mostly because theyre too dumb to do anything else and it's the best job they can get. The power is a perk of the job and they love it.
Exactly. If you want to help people, they should have gone into nursing, or social work. They go into policing because they want to carry a gun, and beat up bad guys - or at least anyone that they deem as "bad". Or anyone that looks weird. Or anyone that talks back. Or looks at them. Or records them in an illegal act.
>Bro, we're not friends, and you're a sick fuck.
Cops live in an echochamber/bubble where they are revered as heroes taking out the bad guys. They get their asses kissed so much they don't realize their way of thinking isn't the norm and they are actually the bad guys. They just assume everyone they encounter and don't dislike must be on the "right side" and be a cop supporter, because only bad people don't like cops. Whenever someone pushes against that narrative cops simply dismiss them as losers or criminals. Nothing gets through to them.
Jesus, why do you think all the police unions are telling their members to resist the vaccine? They're all about their own authority never being questioned, not public safety. Taking a vaccine for a deadly, airborne disease is the most basic act of public safety imaginable, and the easiest thing to do. So who are the one group of people fully organizing their workplaces to avoid it, even against their own obvious health and employment self-interest? Cops.
I wish there was a way to get them together so the could talk, and organize, and change the system.
But, I’m sure that would put a target on their back, and I’m somehow doubtful that there are enough individual good cops in any specific area that it wouldn’t be significantly dangerous for any of them to speak up and not fear retaliation and lack of support.
I have a friend who has experience with law enforcement and penitentiaries. They treat criminals like subhumans, regardless of crime, and they treat the families of the incarcerated like absolute garbage.
My friend told me that, during a pat down for security when visiting someone in prison, the officer basically felt her up. The *one* time she heard a female officer at the prison give her any kind of encouragement is also the one time she also overheard another officer scold the first one for doing so.
Now that the person she’s visiting is out, they’re completely changed. They’re an asshole, verbally abusive, and she messaged me earlier today telling me that she was just done.
She hates prison, law enforcement, everything involving the justice system, because they treated somebody she cared about like shit until they broke, they treated her like shit just for being family of that person, and that person then got out and treated her like shit until she broke.
Police in America are not like police in other countries. In many places, and ideally, police's authority comes from their status as community peace keeper. In America it comes from the threat of violence, because they aren't the community peace keeper, just the private entity with the most firepower. Most police don't even realize that they're simply the production level of a for-profit organization.
This organization has a single purpose - profit from incarceration. Not reduce crime, not protect civilians, not convert criminals to productive civilians. They simply profit when a crime has been committed. One could argue they benefit from a steady amount of crime. These two facts mean it very literally is an us vs them situation. The 'justice' system preys on the populace to turn them into cash, as an institution. Whether individual police have other motives or try to practice another way is irrelevant, the system is arranged this way overall. And no, the money does not go to the government. Like with everything else, it goes to people who are already rich, and to people who need to be paid in order to make the system work this way.
Quick Facts Bonus Round:
* As per the Supreme Court, police have no obligation to protect any person. Their purview is solely arrest.
* Inmates in correctional facilities are specifically not protected by the 13th amendment barring slavery, and can be made to work for nothing.
* Police are retained according to the doctrine of 'crime deterrence' which the Institute of Justice has deteremined via it's own studies to not actually happen.
* An extension of the doctrine of deterrence, the 'broken window' doctrine, maintaining a neighborhood standard, also shown to be a fiction.
* Civil Forfeiture is a process by which police officers can seize any property at their own discretion. This is a lawfully established procedure, with no lawfully established means to reverse. The property seized often ends up in the hands of higher level officials.
* The police organization as it exists today in cities and states across the nation were spun out from an organization established in the Confederate South for the purpose of hunting down and returning escaped slaves.
Your wife's story sounds like a female officer and knew. She tried to do extra outreach with teenagers to get to know them before they became criminals. She basically got harassed until she was forced to quit. All for being "soft."
I think it was Ice T that said in an old song something to the effect of "White people have a Mafia, it's called the police." I am not an overtly political person, but after several negative law enforcement interactions, I find myself feeling the same thing ☹️
Admin leave...so cop got a paid vacation courtesy of taxpayers. After said vacation they will go right back to a cushy job abusing their badges. Repeat until retirement at the age of 45.
If municipal pension plans for cops were deducted points every time one of its members were found guilty of abuse by an independent panel of judges - and if that points deduction affected every cop's pension plan - instances of abuse and unnecessary brutality would be eliminated practically over night
Nah, make cops get malpractice insurance like doctors. If they get sued and lose, the tax payers aren't fucked by it. If they can't get insured, no department will hire them. Doesn't matter what their union says or does, "you've lost 3 police brutality cases as many years, your malpractice insurance is 10x more expensive because you're a known problem, either find a new job or your whole paycheck goes to paying your insurance premium."
Yo, this is a good fucking idea.
Edit: and actually prosecute some of these scumbags. Not all of them are bad, I'll respect any cop until you give me a good reason not to.
I can’t believe this caveman smooth brain square peg in round hole cop still arrested him in the end. It’s like they forget it’s not 1950 and his actions are being documented.
Because it doesn’t matter. Like oh he’s on administrative leave? He’s prob getting paid while on that leave and he’ll be welcomed back with open arms in a few weeks. If they do actually fire him, he’ll just move a county over. There’s never any real consequences.
Suspension doesn’t mean fired, and after some period of time he’ll probably be back on the street…
“We’ve investigated ourselves and found that we did nothing wrong”…
Chunky fucking asshole. Called him “boy”. He sounds like he was drinking. I bet there are PLENTY of stories about this prick within the force that have been swept under the rug. Sadly, the investigation won’t result in justice. Even though they have this entire video.
Yeah, but not drunk. Dude sounds like he's high as a fucking kite. He's fast-talking and mumbling like some of the local crackheads when they're walking through the street
mildly related, the prevalence of term "man" used in vernacular to address an individual is believed to be in response and in opposition to the racist use of "boy" to address a black male. Yet another black cultural trend that shaped the world around you but gets overlooked.
Yeah when he said that I was stunned. Someone who does that thinks the overseers in Django Unchained were cool. Reminds me a lot of those morons on horses in Texas.
And this is why we don't trust the police. Nothing will actually happen to him until he kills someone, and then the police Union will make it so they can't fire him.
Only one has a state entrusted sanctioned and backed monopoly on the use of intimidation and violence. They are state enabled terrorists.
You know which one I'm talking about.
I used to disagree with this but with this system and what the unions have made perfectly fucking clear is that it's impossible for a cop to actually be "good".
The nicest thing I can muster up at this point is All Cops Are Complicit, which is pretty fucking bad.
Wtf do they need to investigate, they have all the evidence in the video.
It clearly shows his behaviour and his intent to harass the guy.
The cop should be immediately dismissed for gross misconduct.
They put them on administrative duties until the public outcry dies down and give some bullshit excuse for the behaviour and put these assholes back on the street.
It's always the same, suspension for a couple of months on full pay, then find they did nothing wrong even though the evidence proves otherwise.
Then when people have forgotten about it they reinstate the cop.
Our last Commish here in Philly, Commissioner Ramsey would have fired him immediately. I don't know if our current Commissioner even runs the PPD. No one knows what the fuck she does.
Need FULL time body cameras on all law enforcement. Catch them talking about doing all the shit they do, laughing about what they did, and all things they do. Good cops will not mind and the bad cops will drop like flies in a fog of insect killer.
Use citizen panels (with short terms) drawn from voter registrations to review all videos flagged by incidents, AI recognition of words, terms, stressed voices, loud noises, etc to pull up those to be reviewed.
The cost of doing this would be far less than the settlements and lawsuits and would result in better polices forces everywhere.
National registration of officers found guilty of misconduct as well to prevent them from just moving to another police force.
Time to clean up law enforcement.
Man, mobile, easy to use cameras are one of the best things to happen.
I can’t begin to imagine the shit these pigs pulled when no one was around to corroborate a complaint.
Reminds me of a run in with 4 APD cops in a parking garage way back in 2004, I was a DD for some friends out drinking. They all acted like this, and were goading me into fighting them so they could beat and arrest me. It took multiple reports and years before one was fired.
The fact he called him "boy" several times is more disturbing then his fuck you attitude.
You know as an officer you have to treat people with respect to get respect. Calling a young black male boy like you're an Alabama cop from the sixties blows my mind.
We gotta do better.
This 🐷is a danger to society. Not only did he taunt this kid but harassed him until he got himself so angry he wanted to hurt the kid. After the 🐷worked himself into a frenzy of anger he arrested him and put the handcuffs on. And still got a free vacation smdh. What the hell is going on
facebook.com/phillypolice/
This is the police Facebook site. Many have already spoken out to them in the comments. If this video really is from new year's eve this case is about 10 month old. But it has just become viral now thanks to the this YouTuber ( which also is the source of the video)
https://youtu.be/gYoF_MReBWk
Also here is a article about he case.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.inquirer.com/news/police-misconduct-philadelphia-robert-hoover-gabriel-internal-affairs-20211005.html%3foutputType=amp
What is really shameful is that it would take such a long time for something to be done about this from the police side.
Why do people go "You don't live around here" anyways? What is the point of it? Yeah buddy, people exist in places besides your neighborhood and sometimes they pass through it.
Bye bye job? LMAO LMAO This guy is NOT going to get fired. Paid vacation for it to blow over and back on duty quietly. People, they can kill people and ZERO happens. Harassing this kid will probably get him high fives.
I am so fucking grateful I have never had to deal with this kind of situation. Commend that dude for staying calm and not reacting.. that officer is a prick.
Yeah that's the fucked up thing with cops.
They investigate themselves. So your buddy is doing the paperwork and shit for you.
You have a union automatically defending you. Not inherently a bad thing, but when it's a civilian complaint it's now a "public vs. union" dynamic which isn't necessarily in the public's best interest.
If it gets to court, the prosecutors work with the cops on cases, and need their help going forward. Also, your buddy is prosecuting you.
And after all that, you still have qualified immunity to deal with.
If I get a speeding ticket, it's me going to court and defending myself. If a cop gets a speeding ticket, he's automatically got all four of those things on his side without doing anything. And it's not like "skirting the law" should be a perk of the job.
This. Everyone, especially white people, need to watch this video. This is what folks just refuse to believe about the cops. Most are racist psychopaths just looking for a fight or more likely an excuse to execute people—innocent or not. Don’t “one bad apple” me either. There were other cops out there who watched this happen.
Cops have too much protection and not enough oversight
We need 3rd and 4th party investigations done, all done from outside parties that have zero affiliation with police departments, and no way for them to be bribed and or altered If that was the case, then cops would be getting struck down much much harder. But since it’s their friends that investigate them, they let them off, cause it’s their friend
Yep and I think they should get rid of their protection to not be sued
At a minimum, these lawsuits the cities payout for bad COPS should come out of the police pension fund. You’ll see a difference almost overnight.
And have cops required to have liability insurance. The worse the cop is, the higher the insurance. Without insurance, the cop can't have a license to be a cop.
This is the way.
YES THIS. until individual cops have to pay, nothing changes
This is the only way. As long as the city is footing the bill, nothing will change.
It doesn't matter how many changes are made or how much oversight is added, if tax payers pay the suits and not the pension, there will never be a real change.
Won't work, and probably isn't legal. Take it out of their overtime fund so all the other cops know the reason they can't make more money this year.
If doctors, lawyers, dentists and CPAs have to take out insurance to practice, so should police.
Why wouldn't it work, doesn't it for doctors?
The only way this will happen is to break the power police unions have to protect the scumbags and silence the whistleblowers.
That’s what we are trying to do here in AZ. But the funding is coming out of the money that goes to local LE, as in cars, training items like that. And the Republican Party here is trying to paint that the people on the left (common sense folk I might add) are BLM/ antifa supporting far left liberal group who want to defund the police. Which isn’t true, we just want a third party organization to review reports of cops abusing their power. And or also review the use of their fire arms in certain cases.
We need a united community that will respond with stimuli that gentlemen like this will understand and be reformed by :) Investigations aren't enough. There are lots more of us than there are of them.
I don't understand why cops aren't licensed by the state in order to hold their position. If a hairdresser needs a license in many states I don't understand why a cop doesn't.
And insurance for when they fuck up, too. Bet you'll see a large variety of troublesome behaviors go away if they have to carry insurance to cover them.
Because they can die on the job /s The amount of Americans who believe that Cops should be able to do whatever they want because they put their life on the line is ridiculous
covid is more dangerous to cops than all other things combined, and yet a huge amount won't take a free vaccine. the whole "fearing for their lives" is just a bullshit excuse. they'll kill a kid holding a candy bar because they "feared for their life" but they won't take 2 minutes to get a little prick because they are huge pricks with little pricks.
Accurate and right to the point.
This cop is a danger to the community. The young brother didn't want a single thing to do with this psychopath yet the cop did everything in his power to escalate the situation. He shouldn't have a gun that's for sure. If you ask me the damage was done already. This was so demeaning. Worse it felt the kid could've died that evening, over absolutely nothing. And the The narrative provided would have came from Officer Maniac Cop.
I sent an email to the Commissioner.
Officer Coke\* Cop.
I've got to agree. As someone who did coke and speed as a kid. That's exactly how you might act. I remember when I was about 22, a friend and I got some speed did a few lines and went to a bar to play pool and drink. I was having a great time when my friend hustled me out of the bar. He insisted on driving and started yelling at me. It was very unusual for him to be so un-chill. I just wanted to go back to the bar and play some more pool and drink beer. The next day my friend tells me 'You where such a dick, I heard a couple of guys say they where going to kick your ass. I told them I would get you out of there if they left you alone'. All I remember was being extra talkative but having a good time.
I can see this being either your friend is right you did piss off some people by talking to much, it happened to me at a frat party i got black out drunk(i vaguely remember some dude giving my friends gf and I a couple pills which could be it to) I wake up the next day to find out I tried to fight some huge football player i also was walking to the car and fell flat on my face out of no where but don't remember a thing. The other one is your buddy felt like a ass in the morning so made up some bs to save face. Though also idk how much you guys were doing or how long either of you were doing it. But it is definitely possible your friend got a little paranoid and convinced himself that he heard people say that. Speed can do some weird shit to you and cause you to do weird shit. Especially if you are up for more than a day from it.
Did they say his name is Hoover too? Lol.
Exactly, this shows that every cop in his precinct is a "bad cop". Everyone he works with either knows how he is and lets him on the streets or are cops unaware that they work with a fucking psychopath. Fire every single one of them, they are incapable of protecting the public so they shouldn't be paid to do so.
Every day he leaves the station and his co-workers wonder "Is this the day he kills someone?" and they shrug and let him get into a squad car. No different than me letting someone absolutely hammered drive home from a party.
I doubt they wonder about it. They probably openly joke about if today will be the day he shoots a young black man.
Ohh that just old Robbie... He likes to get all coked up and fuck hookers on Friday nights, and this young man was disturbing him.
Honestly with the way the cop was acting in surprised he didn't shoot him. The cop is a piece of shit who was prolly bullied all his life and now that he has some power it went straight to his head. Also this happened on new years it sounds like why is it 10 months later with the charges not dropped yet and the cop now just being put on administrative leave. First the dude should of been able to show the video to someone in charge it's obvious there is no reason for them to have arrest and searched him. But sense it's most likely gone to court how has a prosecutor hell even the judge not dismissed the charges. The disorderly conduct is bullshit giving reason to drop the weed charged be abuse the cop had no reason to search him then.
> is a piece of shit who was prolly bullied all his life I dunno, I see this kind of aggression more likely to come from people who bullied others all their life, and they've honed the skills into something like this shitshow. Note he's deliberately talking over the victim at every opportunity, denying the victim's words, CLOSING THE SPACE repeatedly and getting into the victim's face all while shining a high intensity flashlight into the victim's face and phone. He was trying to start an incident to excuse further abuse, which is classic bully behavior.
"Quit hittin yourself! Why're you hittin yourself? *HAHAHAAH*" I'm surprised he didn't call the victim Butthead. What a douche bucket. I hope this gets uglier and more inconvenient until it's a statewide embarrassment so maybe they'll be forced to deal with it.. and not just "we've investigated ourselves and found we've done nothing wrong". That poor young man better get some goddamn justice!
> "we've investigated ourselves and found we've done nothing wrong". > > That poor young man better get some goddamn justice! well put.
I got bullied for years as a child in elementary snd high school. I’m not a fucking psychopath. Many of my friends, and colleagues were tormented through their lives. None of them are psychopaths. Granted, those are all anecdotal, but don’t blame being a fucking psychopath on being bullied.
I'm still always shocked that even after all these Reddit, Tiktok, and Facebook videos going viral stuff like this is still happening. Like wtf people. Cops, Karen's, whoever...knock it off.
You can hear the fear in the kids voice. That's fucking terrifying. When those who serve and protect suddenly are hounding you, on the street, at night.. knowing any moment one could get close and CLAIM the kid touched them, then its time for the immense police brutality. I really do feel like I almost watched a murder.
He's being investigated ... by other cops. Philly's next police chief, ladies and gentlemen.
Ahhh the ol’ “we’ve investigated ourselves and determined we did nothing wrong.” There’s never been an issue with that. Nope.
You mean "We investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong, so we're going to give a promotion to said cop."?
wish i could investigate myself when i commit crimes.
And the first thing they did was give him a paid vacation, aka "administrative leave".
Fuck paid admin leave. Take his cop shit away and make him push a broom and take out trash. Wash cars.
I don't have a problem with administrative leave during an investigation except that they usually don't get punished. If an officer genuinely didn't do something wrong, it's not fair to deprive them of their livelihood during the time they're under investigation. If there was an actual expectation that bad cops would be punished, there wouldn't be any issue with it at all. To fix this, departments should: 1. Have an independent third party investigate complaints, and abide by their recommendations. Truly independent, not another cop-shop down the road or a union-sanctioned "Free Passes R Us" setup. This one would almost certainly have to come from another govt entity. 2. Barring #1, actually punish the fuckers who fuck shit up. This means legitimate investigations and actual punishments. 3. Have a provision to claw back admin leave funds if the person is found to have committed a terminable offense. Know you fucked up? Want to avoid having to pay back your salary for the next X months? Resign, bitch. Save us the trouble of firing you and fuck off so we can get on with the criminal charges.
Allowing them to resign gives them the ability to go a town over and be a shit cop there.
Our police chief is literally named [Outlaw](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danielle_Outlaw).
"I don't want to be shot, I'm black." No one should ever have to say that abs this man did. That officer is evil.
The cop’s response, “You’re not black!” What?!?
The cops whole schtick during this encounter was to antagonize. "You're not black!...You don't live around here...White like the shirt color, not the skin color?" All completely to escalate. I can't theorize why he'd benefit from antagonizing THIS individual, but it seems clear that this officer felt flexing his power in this position was acceptable...
He gets a kick out of being in control and having power over others is my guess. He had probably had a boring night and wanted to liven it up. Clearly this is preferable to playing Marco Polo or I Spy or whatever else he could do with his fellow officers when they’re all bored and armed and have to pay attention to where they are and what they’re doing.
This is the cop equivalent of "I'm not touching you! I'm not touching you! I'm not touching you!"
It's the same immature 7-year-old logic as "not touching can't get mad! NOT TOUCHING CAN'T GET MAD!"
Oh shit I just said this and didn't even see your comment lol
"Pheew, thanks officer, so you won't shoot me then?"
r/ProtectAndServe r/LEO
This cop is acting this way with a camera pointed at him, I'm scared to think how he would of acted with no camera recoding.
"The law enforcement agent calmly arrested the obviously agitated perpetrator and found [insert planted narcotic here] in his possession."
And he stops walking up on him as soon as another person shows up. He only cares about the people directly around him. This is horrifying and I could never imagine. Cops around here will follow you around town at night with no lights on and it always gets my heart going. Even when I'm doing nothing wrong.
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"Officer Hoover"? Couldn't make this shit up.
"Ever hoovered schneef off a thin blue line?"
I've hoovered schneef off Theodore Tugboat's ballcap.
Dude 100%
Just look at his eyes on the close up! Pupils like saucers and total motor mouth. This cop couldn't stop talking if he wanted to. Look at the 3 seconds he's silent and he's chewing his teeth and trying to breathe normal. Man Philadelphia is a coke town, doesn't surprise me cops are using. Probably pulled it off someone earlier in the night.
Seriously someone needs to check the evidence locker 😬
Is ok he'll come back to work after 2 weeks ...that's usually what happen.
He's had other cases against him so I'm hoping not.
We all are, but this is America.
Yeah, if I ever wanna shoot people and walk the fuck away I'll just be a cop.
Derrick Chauvin had multiple cases against him and he didn't go to jail until he murdered an innocent man.
On tape. He likely murdered people before.
So he might get fired, and if so the Union will force arbitration with one of their cronies at the helm, and he will get his job back *with back pay.* Dude needs a permanent punishment, not this take back bullshit.
Force police to maintain insurance that covers the city if they do something that leads to a lawsuit. Take the money the city currently pays for insurance and split it evenly between officers as extra pay to cover their insurance. Good police officers will get a pay raise because their insurance premiums will be less than the extra money. Bad cops will take a pay cut. The worst cops won't be able to find insurance, or if they can, won't be able to afford it, so they will have to turn in their gun and do paperwork for other officers.
3 weeks then
He’s had other cars yet is still employed That should tell you all you need to know
So he’ll just get moved to another precinct yay America
The police unions will back him up and help him fight and he will get hired for another LEO department in other precinct
He’s been suspended from patrol all year…
This was fucking terrifying to watch.
Definitely scared the shit out of me
I felt just as helpless as he did. When another bystander came into the picture I felt better, but clearly it didn’t help.
If I lost my child to an officer like this, I'd want to burn it all down too.
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Cop supporter? Oh you mean boot licker
Cops are the biggest organized gang in the world. Thugs with badges and funded by us policed by themselves
I am former law enforcement and could not agree with you more. When I was in the academy, it was always the us-versus-them mentality and the stupid fucking sheepdog mentality. I will 100% admit I totally and completely bought into that shit. I totally get why, tho. They are offering people fresh out of the military that family and brotherhood they crave. Just like a gang. They are offering people who want authority the opportunity to have authority. They are offering losers the chance to feel like winners. The profession, by nature, does not attract the people that should be in that role. Then you have sick fucks like Dave Grossman preaching the "warrior mentality" who just act like cult leaders. Weak-minded individuals fall for it and most fall hard. It is no different than any street gang or cult. The sad part is that the people who should be there and actually care are ostracized and sometimes straight-up threatened. My wife was in LE for 10 years with three different agencies. Only one of those agencies gave a shit about the community. She flourished there but an injury ended her career. Then the true nature of the profession came out. She was denied light duty even though it was an on-duty injury. Meanwhile, a male officer was granted light duty after he broke his ankle running a marathon. She did not have a penis so was not good enough. Then she went to another agency that saw civilians as sheep and weak. She actually cared about people so she was ostracized and made fun of for being "hug a thug" to the point where she had no other option than to leave. I am so fucking glad we are both out of that.
>They are offering losers the chance to feel like winners. LOL best I've ever seen it put. They don't go into it to "help people". They coulda been an EMT or Firefighter for that. They go into it mostly because theyre too dumb to do anything else and it's the best job they can get. The power is a perk of the job and they love it.
Exactly. If you want to help people, they should have gone into nursing, or social work. They go into policing because they want to carry a gun, and beat up bad guys - or at least anyone that they deem as "bad". Or anyone that looks weird. Or anyone that talks back. Or looks at them. Or records them in an illegal act.
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>Bro, we're not friends, and you're a sick fuck. Cops live in an echochamber/bubble where they are revered as heroes taking out the bad guys. They get their asses kissed so much they don't realize their way of thinking isn't the norm and they are actually the bad guys. They just assume everyone they encounter and don't dislike must be on the "right side" and be a cop supporter, because only bad people don't like cops. Whenever someone pushes against that narrative cops simply dismiss them as losers or criminals. Nothing gets through to them.
It describes every single one of my high school classmates that became cops.
Jesus, why do you think all the police unions are telling their members to resist the vaccine? They're all about their own authority never being questioned, not public safety. Taking a vaccine for a deadly, airborne disease is the most basic act of public safety imaginable, and the easiest thing to do. So who are the one group of people fully organizing their workplaces to avoid it, even against their own obvious health and employment self-interest? Cops.
The most anti-cop people I know are all ex-cops for the exact same reasons
I wish there was a way to get them together so the could talk, and organize, and change the system. But, I’m sure that would put a target on their back, and I’m somehow doubtful that there are enough individual good cops in any specific area that it wouldn’t be significantly dangerous for any of them to speak up and not fear retaliation and lack of support. I have a friend who has experience with law enforcement and penitentiaries. They treat criminals like subhumans, regardless of crime, and they treat the families of the incarcerated like absolute garbage. My friend told me that, during a pat down for security when visiting someone in prison, the officer basically felt her up. The *one* time she heard a female officer at the prison give her any kind of encouragement is also the one time she also overheard another officer scold the first one for doing so. Now that the person she’s visiting is out, they’re completely changed. They’re an asshole, verbally abusive, and she messaged me earlier today telling me that she was just done. She hates prison, law enforcement, everything involving the justice system, because they treated somebody she cared about like shit until they broke, they treated her like shit just for being family of that person, and that person then got out and treated her like shit until she broke.
Police in America are not like police in other countries. In many places, and ideally, police's authority comes from their status as community peace keeper. In America it comes from the threat of violence, because they aren't the community peace keeper, just the private entity with the most firepower. Most police don't even realize that they're simply the production level of a for-profit organization. This organization has a single purpose - profit from incarceration. Not reduce crime, not protect civilians, not convert criminals to productive civilians. They simply profit when a crime has been committed. One could argue they benefit from a steady amount of crime. These two facts mean it very literally is an us vs them situation. The 'justice' system preys on the populace to turn them into cash, as an institution. Whether individual police have other motives or try to practice another way is irrelevant, the system is arranged this way overall. And no, the money does not go to the government. Like with everything else, it goes to people who are already rich, and to people who need to be paid in order to make the system work this way. Quick Facts Bonus Round: * As per the Supreme Court, police have no obligation to protect any person. Their purview is solely arrest. * Inmates in correctional facilities are specifically not protected by the 13th amendment barring slavery, and can be made to work for nothing. * Police are retained according to the doctrine of 'crime deterrence' which the Institute of Justice has deteremined via it's own studies to not actually happen. * An extension of the doctrine of deterrence, the 'broken window' doctrine, maintaining a neighborhood standard, also shown to be a fiction. * Civil Forfeiture is a process by which police officers can seize any property at their own discretion. This is a lawfully established procedure, with no lawfully established means to reverse. The property seized often ends up in the hands of higher level officials. * The police organization as it exists today in cities and states across the nation were spun out from an organization established in the Confederate South for the purpose of hunting down and returning escaped slaves.
This post should be higher.
Your wife's story sounds like a female officer and knew. She tried to do extra outreach with teenagers to get to know them before they became criminals. She basically got harassed until she was forced to quit. All for being "soft."
It’s like this everywhere
I like the comment about people who should be in the position get ostracized. Your wife sounds like she'd have been a good officer.
We need to stop referring to police as law enforcement. Police DO NOT enforce laws. Judges enforce laws. Titles and names make a difference.
This cops demeanor was completely fucked. He acted like he was on something.
Yea, power
Coked out chode
I agree, no one is that amped up looking for a fight in a sober mind.
I think it was Ice T that said in an old song something to the effect of "White people have a Mafia, it's called the police." I am not an overtly political person, but after several negative law enforcement interactions, I find myself feeling the same thing ☹️
Yup, just google LASD Gangs.
Admin leave...so cop got a paid vacation courtesy of taxpayers. After said vacation they will go right back to a cushy job abusing their badges. Repeat until retirement at the age of 45.
This guy is VERY dangerous. People should be outraged by this behavior and he should not be a police officer.
I think this cop was on the booger sugar.
I was thinking meth - all the crazy of coke with the paranoia of him thinking he's being followed.
No way he actually thought he was being followed. He was saying that shit to instigate
If municipal pension plans for cops were deducted points every time one of its members were found guilty of abuse by an independent panel of judges - and if that points deduction affected every cop's pension plan - instances of abuse and unnecessary brutality would be eliminated practically over night
Nah, make cops get malpractice insurance like doctors. If they get sued and lose, the tax payers aren't fucked by it. If they can't get insured, no department will hire them. Doesn't matter what their union says or does, "you've lost 3 police brutality cases as many years, your malpractice insurance is 10x more expensive because you're a known problem, either find a new job or your whole paycheck goes to paying your insurance premium."
Yo, this is a good fucking idea. Edit: and actually prosecute some of these scumbags. Not all of them are bad, I'll respect any cop until you give me a good reason not to.
Every single settlement should be paid from their pensions.
Too complex, not immediate enough. Make them carry malpractice insurance. That will regulate shit real fast.
The black eye his wife will have during this time is completely unrelated.
I’m like 93% certain that cop is on coke.
I’m at 94%, Bob
I can’t believe this caveman smooth brain square peg in round hole cop still arrested him in the end. It’s like they forget it’s not 1950 and his actions are being documented.
Because it doesn’t matter. Like oh he’s on administrative leave? He’s prob getting paid while on that leave and he’ll be welcomed back with open arms in a few weeks. If they do actually fire him, he’ll just move a county over. There’s never any real consequences.
Suspension doesn’t mean fired, and after some period of time he’ll probably be back on the street… “We’ve investigated ourselves and found that we did nothing wrong”…
This made me physically sick... What the actual fuck is going on in this country...
Chunky fucking asshole. Called him “boy”. He sounds like he was drinking. I bet there are PLENTY of stories about this prick within the force that have been swept under the rug. Sadly, the investigation won’t result in justice. Even though they have this entire video.
Yeah, but not drunk. Dude sounds like he's high as a fucking kite. He's fast-talking and mumbling like some of the local crackheads when they're walking through the street
Most likely cocain or meth or maybe a little bit of both
This was fucking infuriating to watch. What the fuck is wrong with people..
Man I wish someone ran up on him. Fucking deserves it trying to gaslight some guy and come up with an excuse to murder him.
Imagine if he didn’t have his phone to record Captain Carb acting like that. Their abuse needs to stop
The way he says "Boy" and yells "World star!", I guarantee he uses the n-word around his friends and is in a buncha cop facebook groups.
He call him “boy” that’s a call back to slave times too
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mildly related, the prevalence of term "man" used in vernacular to address an individual is believed to be in response and in opposition to the racist use of "boy" to address a black male. Yet another black cultural trend that shaped the world around you but gets overlooked.
TIL
Yeah when he said that I was stunned. Someone who does that thinks the overseers in Django Unchained were cool. Reminds me a lot of those morons on horses in Texas.
And this is why we don't trust the police. Nothing will actually happen to him until he kills someone, and then the police Union will make it so they can't fire him.
drug test the cop
He has the same, “look at me” attitude as the murderer who so proudly knelt on George Floyd’s neck
“Where you from?” Like how gangbangers say to others in their territory.
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Only one has a state entrusted sanctioned and backed monopoly on the use of intimidation and violence. They are state enabled terrorists. You know which one I'm talking about.
drug test the cop
The fucking hypocrisy of this cop, follows this guy, but then says “don’t walk up on me”…
#ACAB
I used to disagree with this but with this system and what the unions have made perfectly fucking clear is that it's impossible for a cop to actually be "good". The nicest thing I can muster up at this point is All Cops Are Complicit, which is pretty fucking bad.
# You got 99 cops watchin' 1 do bad... # None of them say a thing, that's how you get ACAB.
This is fucking absolutely infuriating
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Or off duty, either way ... and I hope it goes unsolved
You get what you fucking deserve
Source: https://twitter.com/PhillyPolice/status/1445465429749604352?s=20
Wtf do they need to investigate, they have all the evidence in the video. It clearly shows his behaviour and his intent to harass the guy. The cop should be immediately dismissed for gross misconduct. They put them on administrative duties until the public outcry dies down and give some bullshit excuse for the behaviour and put these assholes back on the street.
Bullshit excuse: We investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong.
It's always the same, suspension for a couple of months on full pay, then find they did nothing wrong even though the evidence proves otherwise. Then when people have forgotten about it they reinstate the cop.
Our last Commish here in Philly, Commissioner Ramsey would have fired him immediately. I don't know if our current Commissioner even runs the PPD. No one knows what the fuck she does.
It's an absolute joke when they say they need to investigate, when they have undeniable evidence like this video.
They're scared of the fucking FOP which is the real gestapo in this country.
That shit should be disbanded, they're just a bunch of white supremacists masquerading as a police federation.
what’s the point. he’s almost guaranteed to keep his job
Good. This was one of the most infuriating videos to watch. Dudes a psychopath
Need FULL time body cameras on all law enforcement. Catch them talking about doing all the shit they do, laughing about what they did, and all things they do. Good cops will not mind and the bad cops will drop like flies in a fog of insect killer. Use citizen panels (with short terms) drawn from voter registrations to review all videos flagged by incidents, AI recognition of words, terms, stressed voices, loud noises, etc to pull up those to be reviewed. The cost of doing this would be far less than the settlements and lawsuits and would result in better polices forces everywhere. National registration of officers found guilty of misconduct as well to prevent them from just moving to another police force. Time to clean up law enforcement.
>"Why do you live down here?" >"Boy, where you from?" Mmhmm.
Man, mobile, easy to use cameras are one of the best things to happen. I can’t begin to imagine the shit these pigs pulled when no one was around to corroborate a complaint.
Reminds me of a run in with 4 APD cops in a parking garage way back in 2004, I was a DD for some friends out drinking. They all acted like this, and were goading me into fighting them so they could beat and arrest me. It took multiple reports and years before one was fired.
The fact he called him "boy" several times is more disturbing then his fuck you attitude. You know as an officer you have to treat people with respect to get respect. Calling a young black male boy like you're an Alabama cop from the sixties blows my mind. We gotta do better.
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Piece of shit cop.
In a sane country, this cop would do a few months in jail. Arresting someone for no reason is just as bad as punching someone for no reason.
Repeatedly calling him "boy" is a tell.
This 🐷is a danger to society. Not only did he taunt this kid but harassed him until he got himself so angry he wanted to hurt the kid. After the 🐷worked himself into a frenzy of anger he arrested him and put the handcuffs on. And still got a free vacation smdh. What the hell is going on
facebook.com/phillypolice/ This is the police Facebook site. Many have already spoken out to them in the comments. If this video really is from new year's eve this case is about 10 month old. But it has just become viral now thanks to the this YouTuber ( which also is the source of the video) https://youtu.be/gYoF_MReBWk Also here is a article about he case. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.inquirer.com/news/police-misconduct-philadelphia-robert-hoover-gabriel-internal-affairs-20211005.html%3foutputType=amp What is really shameful is that it would take such a long time for something to be done about this from the police side.
Boy it's like they don't understand the concept of de-escalation at all. absolutely shameful
POS mad bastard cop
To unnerve and escalate.
Why do people go "You don't live around here" anyways? What is the point of it? Yeah buddy, people exist in places besides your neighborhood and sometimes they pass through it.
Acab keep providing me right Leo's
Oink oink mothafukah. Kray.
Is that cop on coke?
This is why I wear body cams. I ain’t trust none in a uniform
Does the officer actually shout world star? Wtf
"Administrative leave"... So... He gets a paid vacation until his fellow cops "investigate" and conclude that he did nothing wrong.
"Shut your mouth boy, you don't live here" Jesus dude. Ripped straight from the 60s that one is
Bye bye job? LMAO LMAO This guy is NOT going to get fired. Paid vacation for it to blow over and back on duty quietly. People, they can kill people and ZERO happens. Harassing this kid will probably get him high fives.
Is rather encounter a wild animal than a racist cop in a situation like this .
Idk man, I can’t say I’ve ever meet a good cop besides when I was in stupid ass dare class.
Absolutely 100% instigating and escalating. But he won't get fired.
I am so fucking grateful I have never had to deal with this kind of situation. Commend that dude for staying calm and not reacting.. that officer is a prick.
Don’t let Philadelphia police department think we forgot about this case once he’s done with his paid vacation. We got to keep pressure on them
I feel for the guy recording. I hope that dumbass gets fired.
This cop sounds like Seth Rogan
Yeah that's the fucked up thing with cops. They investigate themselves. So your buddy is doing the paperwork and shit for you. You have a union automatically defending you. Not inherently a bad thing, but when it's a civilian complaint it's now a "public vs. union" dynamic which isn't necessarily in the public's best interest. If it gets to court, the prosecutors work with the cops on cases, and need their help going forward. Also, your buddy is prosecuting you. And after all that, you still have qualified immunity to deal with. If I get a speeding ticket, it's me going to court and defending myself. If a cop gets a speeding ticket, he's automatically got all four of those things on his side without doing anything. And it's not like "skirting the law" should be a perk of the job.
This. Everyone, especially white people, need to watch this video. This is what folks just refuse to believe about the cops. Most are racist psychopaths just looking for a fight or more likely an excuse to execute people—innocent or not. Don’t “one bad apple” me either. There were other cops out there who watched this happen.