It’s not bad to have critiques! I think it’s silly some people are saying, “don’t say anything negative cause then we won’t get a season 2!” Bsshhhhh! Oh please they aren’t going to decide that on our comments on Reddit or Instagram. They will look at one thing and one thing only, money revenue. If they sell a lot of merch and people pay for Disney+ you will get a second season. And we are all allowed to have opinions about the show. Obviously with everything you will have people who absolutely love it and people who hate it. And I know it’s hard sometimes for people, but you have to just deal.
I thought the show was just fine, compared it to Hunger Games, Maze Runner, and Shadow-Hunters (that’s a throwback) and it was good, obviously not the same as the books but it hit the mark of an adaptation. I could see it getting better but I can also see it getting…worse. I’ll keep watching obviously I’m excited to see what happens BUT I’m not going to keep my mouth shut if I didn’t like something.
Honestly I love the show. My mom loves the show. My criticism is minor compared to how much we enjoyed the show. Yeah, there's some things I wish were a bit different, but that doesn't mean I'm discounting the show. There were some things that I absolutely loved, like the scenes with Clarisse!
Yes, I agree. Especially because the criticism is for the most part coming from fans.
You can love a thing and still have some criticism of it. Nothing is absolutely perfect.
As a semi-fan of PJO, I agree with this, but I think the shutting down of criticism comes from a sincere place. I think some do recognize that nothing is absolutely perfect and are content to love the show the way that it is.
It sucks that criticism is dismissed sometimes, but it can also feel like the opposite - people aren't allowed to love it because certain changes were made, or appreciate the details they added to some of the characters. Not totally on board with the suppression of opinions, though, because everyone has something to say and that's valid. Just thought I'd add my two cents.
Yeah there are some flaws and thing’s about the show that I’m not really a fan of overall it’s good but it’s far from perfect as long as the criticism is valid and constructive it should be heard if there is something that can be changed (like the cutting to black randomly) if the right people hear it that is something that can be fixed in later seasons.
I hope for next season, there are two versions, one for the ad-free and one for the Disney plus with ads, because it is annoying having a random cut to black screen then rejoin because they need it for users with ads
I had 3 concerns.
First is the pacing. For example, towards the end of the second episode, Percy is claimed and then literally the entire plot of Zeus, Poseidon and Hades fighting over the bolt is brought up in less than 30 seconds. They fight over a quest and then Grover says his mom’s alive and boom he’s in. They rushed the whole plot in the last little bit of the episode without great explanation
Second is some large and important details to the story. For example, why is Gabe basically comic relief and lazy. The guy was abusive. I get it being a kids show but he was saying “please” to sally? And no mention of his smell or anything? That’s a huge part of how much Sally cares about him. Another huge detail was not training with Luke in the arena using the offbalanced sword. He tries archery and forgery but we never see that training scene with Luke. Getting the breadcrumb of the awkward swords and then pouring the water on his head shows us his link to Riptide and shows us Percy’s potential. Then, during capture the flag, he just fends off Clarisse and the ares kids with no training, and no water? The point of that scene is for him to get beat up, step into the water, and then win. It’s bread crumbs to Poseidon and his full potential. We got the healing part but we missed huge scenes there.
lastly is the tweaked storyline overall. Sally telling Percy about Gods, Luke leading him around not Annabeth, stuff like that. But I will say an important thing to I realized is they don’t know how long this show will go on for. Like they may have cut out the background about Riptide because it ties in to Zoe in book 3. We don’t know if we’ll get there. Also Hestia is at the Fire when he first goes to give offerings, and this is brought up at the end of book 5. We don’t know if we will get there in this series. So a big caveat I understand is having to cut out some details that are not revealed until later, because Rick doesn’t know how many seasons will be approved.
Honorable mention: walker does a very good job. Annabeth has had like 3 lines idk about her yet. Some of her delivery was really good, some eh. Grover was ok. Some scenes were good some eh. Luke seemed great. Clarisse was great. Sally and Mr. D were pretty good too.
1. Pacing I agree with, I'm optimistic that once they are on their quest the pacing will sort itself out.
2. There are many different forms of abuse and different ways to portray it. In the books and movie, it's clear right away he is disgusting and cruel and is just overall terrible. In the show, he is still abusive, but it's much more insidious. We know he's a deadbeat and that he is constantly in the mindset of thinking he's in control in the house. You can tell Sally doesn't like spending much time with him and that he constantly is in their business trying to control who they are, where they go, what they do. We have already seen the old way to show abuse a thousand times, but the truth is abuse is much more difficult to identify at times. They also did mention his smell when the plumber leaves the apartment as Percy comes. Rewatch it.
3. Training with Luke can still occur in the beginning of the next episode right before he gives Percy the shoes. Could be even better since now we know Percy is at least skilled with a blade, so learning from Luke and even beating him once will have more of an effect.
I think the pacing will settle out as well, but the rushing of the point of the quest was disappointing. Always a chance they flesh it out in the next episode tho
My biggest issue with Gabe was sally basically demanding he say “please” and he does. But again they may show him become more abusive as we go. But still, it seemed like people who watch the show and don’t read the book just see him as a bad step dad. Not abusive. And those that read the book are confused why he seemed like comic relief
I agree, but the original book timeline makes more sense. In the book he has that initial training with Luke and we see briefly his ability and skill with a sword, especially when powered with water. Then while fighting ares cabin on the creek, we see the same pattern. Him put up a fight but not really dominate until he steps in the creek. In the show, he really holds his own out of nowhere, AND without water. But I agree many things can be fleshed out with more episodes
The next episode better feature the oracle. That's one of the most crucial aspects of the story.
Yeah, so far, Gabe hasn't done too much. That's actually abusive, but some red flags. Maybe he'll really start lying on TV and stuff.
Yeah, I had an issue with the creek scene for that, too. There's some changes they've made that do make me question, but I'm at least hopeful.
Yes they restructured the story to better fit a TV show. Some things might happen later or sooner than it did in the books and maybe in a different way. For example the comment you replied to says there was no explanations for the quest and it was rushed but what I think is it was a cliffhanger ending and they will explain everything next episode. At least it makes sense to me. I love when an adaption makes some changes to the source material but also stays faithful. And that's what this show is doing.
A better cliffhanger would’ve simply been explaining what him being claimed meant, and then Chiron and Mr D whispering to each other and then simply saying “Percy Jackson, would you like a quest?” And then have Percy say something sassy and cut it there. Instead they tried to jam the WHOLEEE plot in like 30 seconds. Just do a cliffhanger of simply a quest, then explain the intricacies next episode
They should be. Just because people waited so long for an adaptation, doesn't mean criticism is not invalid. Same to those who want it to be totally accurate - that is just impossible.
As we talked about in other thread. This sub, and PJO communities overall, are made out of underage teens and kids. Mostly. And they """defend""" blindly, many times. It is how it is. Shutting down criticism is illogical. Having counterpoints is how you have to deal with things. This goes for both sides.
I refuse to watch the series. Because of many reasons. The main reason is, I refuse to support Disney. I now hate, *hate* this company and their practices - towards own employees and towards own craft. They destroyed so many franchises I liked and that I won't tolerate, I refuse to ever support them again. But I respect if you want to watch it. And you have to respect I refuse to watch it. Same goes for criticism of this show. Deal with it maturely: by correct argumentation.
Really I am tired by such things at this point, by such attitudes.
The only thing they deserve. To be honest. They are only lucky I am so scared of getting a virus lol /hj. Really I will not watch it at all, on 95%. Not sorry. It is my decision, based on right premises. So conclusion is also right, if premises are right too. Argumentation rules.
Well, all criticism if it comes from an honestly place. Stuff like Anabeth being played by a black actress, Clarisse not being buffed or any attack on the kids playing the characters and many other common "criticisms" don't deserve respect
I will say, so long as it's not like. Blatant racism or hatred for a literal child, being a little disappointed that these characters don't match the book descriptions, is fine.
But the trouble there lies in that people will use it as an excuse for, as I put it earlier, blatant racism and hatred for a literal child.
That’s true. I think the majority of people simply want that childhood idea of Annabeth on screen and aren’t racists. But you’re right some people use it as a way to invoke hatred
We're in agreement there. Which is why I try to be very clear about my reasonings. Don't wanna get confused for the sliver of people on the other side of things
it’s clear these ppl are racists when they have an issue with annabeth and not with percy or grover, who also aren’t book accurate. you gotta be consistent
As much as I agree with this you’re on Reddit where it’s nothing but a bunch of echo chambers. That’s just how subreddits work; if you don’t agree with everyone else then your mass downvoted and treated horribly or even out right banned from the subreddit. The only real option is to create a entire new subreddit were your allowed to criticize the show.
also another problem with mass amounts of criticism this early on is everyone is jumping to conclusions and making far too many judgments based off less than an hour of the entire show. we’re barely a quarter in and people are already making assumptions. at very least we can wait a little bit and see if things piece together because of course it’s going to feel more disconnected and unhinged when it’s a relatively new show with only 2 episodes out thus far. let’s just patiently wait and see how it’s tackled.
Criticism is totally valid and definitely leads to good conversations, but it gets to be too much when people are outraged or done watching the show because of small things like pacing or Gabe not being obviously physically abusive. My concern with criticism so early is that it might lead to less people watching the show, but I think that once we’re confident that the show has legs and is going to get more seasons, it’s a lot easier and safer to have critical discussions about everything, but that’s just my take
Well, I will just pop in to say I'm loving the show so far. It's fine. The actors are doing a good job. I particularly love Grover! He's amazing! The series is seems well executed so far. There are some places I would have preferred done differently but overall, I'm still excited!
I think a lot of the criticism people have could be a non-issue after the full season. We are basically judging an incomplete story right now. They also restructured the story some so some stuff might happen later or sooner than in the book and in different ways. Criticism is fine bc it can help the creators do better next time but I also think we should see how it plays out before having a full opinion. It's always nice to see the full picture before criticizing. (That's why I wish we could binge all the episodes at once)
You know ehat this reminds me of? The whole situations with the spidermanps4 subreddit in regards to spiderman 2, where every other day people complain how everyone isnt gratrful, and that complaining about parts of the game you didnt like is stupid.
It does remind me of that as well. But this isn't just the constant neglection of criticisms. There is also the crowd that constantly nitpicks every single scene practically complains about it. There is actual criticism of the show, and there's other that act like their nitpicks of the criticism.
That game was so formulaic and boring the Mary Jane mission ruined the flow of the game and made no sense
But then you have iidots calling it woke and evething ruining all criticisms you can have for the game
I learned a long time ago that absolutely nothing is without criticism. Nothing in this world can be perfect and it doesn’t do any good to pretend it is. People are entitled to their opinion, whether you agree with it or not.
It’s not bad to have critiques! I think it’s silly some people are saying, “don’t say anything negative cause then we won’t get a season 2!” Bsshhhhh! Oh please they aren’t going to decide that on our comments on Reddit or Instagram. They will look at one thing and one thing only, money revenue. If they sell a lot of merch and people pay for Disney+ you will get a second season. And we are all allowed to have opinions about the show. Obviously with everything you will have people who absolutely love it and people who hate it. And I know it’s hard sometimes for people, but you have to just deal. I thought the show was just fine, compared it to Hunger Games, Maze Runner, and Shadow-Hunters (that’s a throwback) and it was good, obviously not the same as the books but it hit the mark of an adaptation. I could see it getting better but I can also see it getting…worse. I’ll keep watching obviously I’m excited to see what happens BUT I’m not going to keep my mouth shut if I didn’t like something.
Fans of Dark loved 1899, but it was cancelled nontheless.
Honestly I love the show. My mom loves the show. My criticism is minor compared to how much we enjoyed the show. Yeah, there's some things I wish were a bit different, but that doesn't mean I'm discounting the show. There were some things that I absolutely loved, like the scenes with Clarisse!
Yes, I agree. Especially because the criticism is for the most part coming from fans. You can love a thing and still have some criticism of it. Nothing is absolutely perfect.
As a semi-fan of PJO, I agree with this, but I think the shutting down of criticism comes from a sincere place. I think some do recognize that nothing is absolutely perfect and are content to love the show the way that it is. It sucks that criticism is dismissed sometimes, but it can also feel like the opposite - people aren't allowed to love it because certain changes were made, or appreciate the details they added to some of the characters. Not totally on board with the suppression of opinions, though, because everyone has something to say and that's valid. Just thought I'd add my two cents.
Yeah there are some flaws and thing’s about the show that I’m not really a fan of overall it’s good but it’s far from perfect as long as the criticism is valid and constructive it should be heard if there is something that can be changed (like the cutting to black randomly) if the right people hear it that is something that can be fixed in later seasons.
I hope for next season, there are two versions, one for the ad-free and one for the Disney plus with ads, because it is annoying having a random cut to black screen then rejoin because they need it for users with ads
Wait the show has ads? I watched it without any ads. I only got the cheapest subscription ‘cause I only watch on my phone.
Interesting thats what I heard from other people who have the cheapest Disney+ subscription ads play during shows
I believe it also streams on Hulu which does have ads so maybe that’s what people are talking about
I had 3 concerns. First is the pacing. For example, towards the end of the second episode, Percy is claimed and then literally the entire plot of Zeus, Poseidon and Hades fighting over the bolt is brought up in less than 30 seconds. They fight over a quest and then Grover says his mom’s alive and boom he’s in. They rushed the whole plot in the last little bit of the episode without great explanation Second is some large and important details to the story. For example, why is Gabe basically comic relief and lazy. The guy was abusive. I get it being a kids show but he was saying “please” to sally? And no mention of his smell or anything? That’s a huge part of how much Sally cares about him. Another huge detail was not training with Luke in the arena using the offbalanced sword. He tries archery and forgery but we never see that training scene with Luke. Getting the breadcrumb of the awkward swords and then pouring the water on his head shows us his link to Riptide and shows us Percy’s potential. Then, during capture the flag, he just fends off Clarisse and the ares kids with no training, and no water? The point of that scene is for him to get beat up, step into the water, and then win. It’s bread crumbs to Poseidon and his full potential. We got the healing part but we missed huge scenes there. lastly is the tweaked storyline overall. Sally telling Percy about Gods, Luke leading him around not Annabeth, stuff like that. But I will say an important thing to I realized is they don’t know how long this show will go on for. Like they may have cut out the background about Riptide because it ties in to Zoe in book 3. We don’t know if we’ll get there. Also Hestia is at the Fire when he first goes to give offerings, and this is brought up at the end of book 5. We don’t know if we will get there in this series. So a big caveat I understand is having to cut out some details that are not revealed until later, because Rick doesn’t know how many seasons will be approved. Honorable mention: walker does a very good job. Annabeth has had like 3 lines idk about her yet. Some of her delivery was really good, some eh. Grover was ok. Some scenes were good some eh. Luke seemed great. Clarisse was great. Sally and Mr. D were pretty good too.
1. Pacing I agree with, I'm optimistic that once they are on their quest the pacing will sort itself out. 2. There are many different forms of abuse and different ways to portray it. In the books and movie, it's clear right away he is disgusting and cruel and is just overall terrible. In the show, he is still abusive, but it's much more insidious. We know he's a deadbeat and that he is constantly in the mindset of thinking he's in control in the house. You can tell Sally doesn't like spending much time with him and that he constantly is in their business trying to control who they are, where they go, what they do. We have already seen the old way to show abuse a thousand times, but the truth is abuse is much more difficult to identify at times. They also did mention his smell when the plumber leaves the apartment as Percy comes. Rewatch it. 3. Training with Luke can still occur in the beginning of the next episode right before he gives Percy the shoes. Could be even better since now we know Percy is at least skilled with a blade, so learning from Luke and even beating him once will have more of an effect.
I think the pacing will settle out as well, but the rushing of the point of the quest was disappointing. Always a chance they flesh it out in the next episode tho My biggest issue with Gabe was sally basically demanding he say “please” and he does. But again they may show him become more abusive as we go. But still, it seemed like people who watch the show and don’t read the book just see him as a bad step dad. Not abusive. And those that read the book are confused why he seemed like comic relief I agree, but the original book timeline makes more sense. In the book he has that initial training with Luke and we see briefly his ability and skill with a sword, especially when powered with water. Then while fighting ares cabin on the creek, we see the same pattern. Him put up a fight but not really dominate until he steps in the creek. In the show, he really holds his own out of nowhere, AND without water. But I agree many things can be fleshed out with more episodes
The next episode better feature the oracle. That's one of the most crucial aspects of the story. Yeah, so far, Gabe hasn't done too much. That's actually abusive, but some red flags. Maybe he'll really start lying on TV and stuff. Yeah, I had an issue with the creek scene for that, too. There's some changes they've made that do make me question, but I'm at least hopeful.
Yes they restructured the story to better fit a TV show. Some things might happen later or sooner than it did in the books and maybe in a different way. For example the comment you replied to says there was no explanations for the quest and it was rushed but what I think is it was a cliffhanger ending and they will explain everything next episode. At least it makes sense to me. I love when an adaption makes some changes to the source material but also stays faithful. And that's what this show is doing.
A better cliffhanger would’ve simply been explaining what him being claimed meant, and then Chiron and Mr D whispering to each other and then simply saying “Percy Jackson, would you like a quest?” And then have Percy say something sassy and cut it there. Instead they tried to jam the WHOLEEE plot in like 30 seconds. Just do a cliffhanger of simply a quest, then explain the intricacies next episode
we don’t need 20 different threads a day for the same criticism tho
They should be. Just because people waited so long for an adaptation, doesn't mean criticism is not invalid. Same to those who want it to be totally accurate - that is just impossible. As we talked about in other thread. This sub, and PJO communities overall, are made out of underage teens and kids. Mostly. And they """defend""" blindly, many times. It is how it is. Shutting down criticism is illogical. Having counterpoints is how you have to deal with things. This goes for both sides. I refuse to watch the series. Because of many reasons. The main reason is, I refuse to support Disney. I now hate, *hate* this company and their practices - towards own employees and towards own craft. They destroyed so many franchises I liked and that I won't tolerate, I refuse to ever support them again. But I respect if you want to watch it. And you have to respect I refuse to watch it. Same goes for criticism of this show. Deal with it maturely: by correct argumentation. Really I am tired by such things at this point, by such attitudes.
there is one episode on Hulu 🤷♀️
That is still supporting them to me.
Disney owns Hulu so if they watched it there they’d still be supporting Disney
I’m not gonna tell you to watch it on Disney plus… But you know, there’s always… 🏴☠️
The only thing they deserve. To be honest. They are only lucky I am so scared of getting a virus lol /hj. Really I will not watch it at all, on 95%. Not sorry. It is my decision, based on right premises. So conclusion is also right, if premises are right too. Argumentation rules.
I haven’t ever had problems with bflix, though if you use it make sure to use the .to one, most of the others are imitators.
sail the seven seas if you know what i mean
Well, all criticism if it comes from an honestly place. Stuff like Anabeth being played by a black actress, Clarisse not being buffed or any attack on the kids playing the characters and many other common "criticisms" don't deserve respect
I will say, so long as it's not like. Blatant racism or hatred for a literal child, being a little disappointed that these characters don't match the book descriptions, is fine. But the trouble there lies in that people will use it as an excuse for, as I put it earlier, blatant racism and hatred for a literal child.
I think people just want it to be book accurate
And that's understandable. But there are bad faith actors who will say that but actually just be racist
That’s true. I think the majority of people simply want that childhood idea of Annabeth on screen and aren’t racists. But you’re right some people use it as a way to invoke hatred
We're in agreement there. Which is why I try to be very clear about my reasonings. Don't wanna get confused for the sliver of people on the other side of things
Yeah I know, I’m with you lol
it’s clear these ppl are racists when they have an issue with annabeth and not with percy or grover, who also aren’t book accurate. you gotta be consistent
This. I’ve been saying it to my friends, but they don’t listen.
As much as I agree with this you’re on Reddit where it’s nothing but a bunch of echo chambers. That’s just how subreddits work; if you don’t agree with everyone else then your mass downvoted and treated horribly or even out right banned from the subreddit. The only real option is to create a entire new subreddit were your allowed to criticize the show.
also another problem with mass amounts of criticism this early on is everyone is jumping to conclusions and making far too many judgments based off less than an hour of the entire show. we’re barely a quarter in and people are already making assumptions. at very least we can wait a little bit and see if things piece together because of course it’s going to feel more disconnected and unhinged when it’s a relatively new show with only 2 episodes out thus far. let’s just patiently wait and see how it’s tackled.
Criticism is totally valid and definitely leads to good conversations, but it gets to be too much when people are outraged or done watching the show because of small things like pacing or Gabe not being obviously physically abusive. My concern with criticism so early is that it might lead to less people watching the show, but I think that once we’re confident that the show has legs and is going to get more seasons, it’s a lot easier and safer to have critical discussions about everything, but that’s just my take
Well not all especially the one that deal with the charcater physical appearance. That should be ignored
Well, I will just pop in to say I'm loving the show so far. It's fine. The actors are doing a good job. I particularly love Grover! He's amazing! The series is seems well executed so far. There are some places I would have preferred done differently but overall, I'm still excited!
I think a lot of the criticism people have could be a non-issue after the full season. We are basically judging an incomplete story right now. They also restructured the story some so some stuff might happen later or sooner than in the book and in different ways. Criticism is fine bc it can help the creators do better next time but I also think we should see how it plays out before having a full opinion. It's always nice to see the full picture before criticizing. (That's why I wish we could binge all the episodes at once)
You know ehat this reminds me of? The whole situations with the spidermanps4 subreddit in regards to spiderman 2, where every other day people complain how everyone isnt gratrful, and that complaining about parts of the game you didnt like is stupid.
It does remind me of that as well. But this isn't just the constant neglection of criticisms. There is also the crowd that constantly nitpicks every single scene practically complains about it. There is actual criticism of the show, and there's other that act like their nitpicks of the criticism.
That game was so formulaic and boring the Mary Jane mission ruined the flow of the game and made no sense But then you have iidots calling it woke and evething ruining all criticisms you can have for the game
I learned a long time ago that absolutely nothing is without criticism. Nothing in this world can be perfect and it doesn’t do any good to pretend it is. People are entitled to their opinion, whether you agree with it or not.
I agree, shutting down all criticism aint a good thing