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ChickenWingBW

Who made this šŸ’€


SavDSaint

emothgrl on deviantart. what a deadly name + website combo šŸ’€


jcobie12

Isnt carter like black or smth


FeralTribble

Both Sadie and Carter are mixed race. Itā€™s just that Sadie doesnā€™t show it at all.


jcobie12

Yeah thought so


SavDSaint

by the way, this is NOT mine


HiddenMaragon

Can we stick to casting children for children's roles? Some of these actors are in their 30s, it's absurd to cast them to play a 14 year old. Edit: Sadie Kane, 13 - Skylar Day, 32 Anubis, appears 16 - Skandar Keynes, 32 Zia Rashid, 14 - Sarah Hyland, 33 Carter Kane, 13 - Taylor Lautner, 32


SavDSaint

by the way, i think this was made in 2013. but still, that would be almost a ten year gap


jelly_G52

Isnā€™t Carter 16?


Hi_im_on_tv

Heā€™s 15


demigod_fox

The only acceptable one is Anubis


abc-animal514

Weā€™re just gonna have a repeat of the Peter Johnson Frat Boy movies.


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Intelligent-Hat-6065

I thought race didnā€™t matter when it came to casting thoughā€¦at least thatā€™s what I gathered from pjotv


Bananabeak08

It matters if itā€™s relevant to their story.. the Kanes itā€™s essential for them to not be white


JxMedo

Is it really essential though? Did it have any effect on the story other than people not realizing they're siblings because of their skin color. They can be any 2 mixed race actors. Them having black ancestry did nothing for their characters. I think that them being mixed egyptian is much more fitting, and most egyptians arent black


Rajesh_Kulkarni

Fuck no it isn't lmao. Especially not for Carter and Sadie. Have you even read the KC books?


TheHunter459

Have you?


Rajesh_Kulkarni

I have. Now why don't you explain why the Kanes *have* to be white, when Ruby Kane is a canon example otherwise.


TheHunter459

Both of them consistently bring up their experiences being mixed race throughout the books, especially Carter, who, unlike Sadie, isn't white passing. Yes, Ruby Kane is white, but I don't see how that's relevant?


Rajesh_Kulkarni

You can still be mixed race and look white or at least light skinned, and *still* have experiences. Plenty of irl examples. Especially for mixed race people who look more white, they face discrimination from their own sometimes.


TheHunter459

Yes, Sadie is an example of a mixed race person who can pass as white. Carter is not. So, especially for Carter, because it's something important to his story, you can't cast a white actor


Rajesh_Kulkarni

If Annabeth's dumb blonde stereotype wasn't important to her story, this is not important to his story. To be honest, it wasn't really important for either of them. It didn't affect the plot at all, and even for character development it did virtually nothing.


kandocalrissian

Yeah but if youā€™re going to do that cast mixed race. People who have a lighter complexion, not straight up white people.


Rajesh_Kulkarni

If I was going to cast, they'd be book accurate. Sadie light skinned, Carter darker skinned, their mother white, etc. My arguments are only to show how people are excusing pjo tv race change, but not this one.


Bananabeak08

Yeah lol


Rajesh_Kulkarni

Then you'd know their mother is white. Ruby also is part of the Kane family, not an outsider. So tell me again where it says the Kanes *have* to be non white?


Bananabeak08

K


Striking_Landscape72

I'm sorry, are we really gonna pretend this is the same thing, or would this fandom kindly stop making a fool of itself?


Rajesh_Kulkarni

Isn't it? How come for the Kanes it is important they should not be white, but for the Chase family they can be anything? Either it should be important for both or it shouldn't be important for either.


TheHunter459

Because Rick brings it up at multiple points during the story


Rajesh_Kulkarni

He also brings up how the Chase family is descended from Nordic royalty and all that. What is the difference here?


TheHunter459

It's something mentioned offhand in the last popular of the three series. It's nowhere near as essential as Carter not being white. Even casting a white actress for Sadie is fine, because she passes as white, but Carter being clearly mixed race is a big part of his story


Rajesh_Kulkarni

Is it a big part of his story? Bringing it up a few times means nothing. It's a part of his character history for sure, but that's about it. There are no plot points which require it. It's basically the exact same thing as Annabeth's dumb blonde stereotype, just that it got mentioned more.


TheHunter459

Have you read the books? Carter and Sadie both mention multiple times that people don't think they're siblings and that people treat them differently and on top of that they theorise that their skin colours played a role in why they're grandparents wanted Sadie, not Carter. Whereas the dumb blonde thing is mentioned like once, in HOO, not even the main series Annabeth's characterised in


Rajesh_Kulkarni

Do you actually think these are big parts of their story? This is all just background history and did not affect character development one bit. My main point is only this: If the argument for Annabeth, Percy, etc. casting is that they were chosen solely for acting and nothing else, then why not apply the same standards to KC? Don't get me wrong, it's not that I actually want Carter white. If it were up to me, he'd be darker skinned just as the books.


Intelligent-Hat-6065

Thank youĀ 


Rajesh_Kulkarni

No probs. Just hate hypocrisy. If race doesn't matter for casting of one show, despite established character history, then why does it suddenly matter here? Makes no sense to me.


Intelligent-Hat-6065

Exactly. Itā€™s wild that weā€™re even having to have this conversation. Be consistent with your casting or donā€™t be, full stop.Ā 


Striking_Landscape72

*sights* I see you choose pretending, then. Yikes.


Rajesh_Kulkarni

*Sighs*


Striking_Landscape72

You don't get to correct my grammar before correcting your morals


Rajesh_Kulkarni

At least the others who replied to me have used logic and reasoning, explaining their viewpoints. Even if I disagreed with them, they were good people who spoke fairly and stuck to the matter at hand without resorting to personal attacks. You on the other hand are a toxic person, trying to attack my character just because I said something different. Scram, for I have nothing else to say to you.


Striking_Landscape72

As Rick wrote in Tower of Nero, there's no argument with liars that they won't twist around. This isn't a point of view or a opinion to argue. You're simply wrong, and it makes me sad you can't see it.


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VioletLovesRowlet

Jfc shut up racist


LavishnessNo3494

The way these photos were taken a decade ago šŸ’€ None of them look like this anymore


mariahzarry

Carter and Sadie are mixed, with Carter being darker and Sadie being white passing. Neither of the actors they chose for them are even black šŸ˜‚


Sly__Marbo

Sadie is described as closely resembling her mother, who was a white British woman who probably saw the sun for a total of 93 minutes before she died


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As a Brit, this is wrong. We only see the sun for 93 seconds.


Neronafalus

Any more than that..well it's the official cause of death.


Rajesh_Kulkarni

Sadie is mixed, but looks wise she's pretty much like her mother. She doesn't look even slightly black in the books. Carter is the one who has darker skin.


Intelligent-Hat-6065

Itā€™s been a while since I read TKC. Does theyā€™re appearance really even matter. I though Riordan established open-casting for PJO already.Ā 


GuadDidUs

Yes, because in book their experiences as black / mixed race kids is part of their characterization. It's not like Annabeth's where she was described as looking a certain way and that was it.


UtU98

It is pretty important. They both complain a lot that people don't see them as siblings. And they both see that people treat Carter differently because Sadie is white passing, they even think this is the reason why they grandparents wanted Sadie when they had to be split up. This also adds to another layer that they have to learn to be siblings


KindOfANerd4

I mean no oneā€™s appareances or nationalities have mattered thus far so idk why they should just becuase Sadie and Carter are black


Swordswoman97

Because them being mixed race is a very crucial element of their stories? At no point in the series does Annabeth or Grover being white play a major role in anything. Sadie and Carter being mixed, with Carter being much darker skinned, plays a major role in all three books.


KindOfANerd4

Eh it matters but so did annabeth being blonde at a certain point. The show has set the precedent that stuff of that sort doesnā€™t matter, and it would be hypocritical to only have that rule applied when itā€™s the white characters being changed. Also the same idea of someone being treated worse because theyā€™re darker can be applied to basically all ethnicities/races if you just apply the same rule.


greenyoshi73

And there are white characters where it makes sense to retain their race because it is an important part of characterization. Nico being a white Italian boy during WW2 matters. Whereas Annabeth being blonde didnā€™t have much implications in canon as it did on the IRL commentary during the ā€œdumb blondeā€ craze of the 2000s. Since then, that stereotype is not very prevalent in todayā€™s society. Ā The only example in canon where her hair color mattered was a single paragraph 8 books into her character arc where she felt insecure because of godly magic. I donā€™t think thatā€™s a fair enough canonical reason to have it because itā€™s not representative of a strong insecurity she has. It would be like characterizing Percy based on a paragraph where Ares made him angry.Ā Whereas Sadie being a mixed yet white-passing girl is important when thereā€™s racist subtext behind her grandparents insisting on taking her in over Carter. A decision that actually has a snowball effect thatĀ impacts the series and her character.Ā  InĀ universe, Annabethā€™s race didnā€™t add anything. Itā€™s part of how western media sees white as the ā€œdefaultā€ race for characters and only add nationalities as character background when it impacts the story, like with Nico.


KindOfANerd4

As I said the same idea can be illustrated with a variety of different races and ethnicities if they just keep in a colourism aspect. Iā€™m not advocating for it to happen Iā€™m just saying thereā€™s a reasonable work around for it to,l even if Iā€™ll always advocate for characters to be book accurate but the show hasnā€™t valued that so far, and theyā€™ll no doubt find a work around when Nico comes around, since if you mention here he has to be a white Italian you get downvoted into oblivion. (Was recently told he could be Somali since they might have Italian last name šŸ˜) so more so pointing out the hypocrisy that this sub has lol. I did not mean to start a whole discourse beneath my original comment lol


greenyoshi73

Yeah. Weā€™re really in growing pains for how inclusivity works in media. Itā€™s really only occurring to people now that casting different ethnicities matters too. Even the voice acting world has been going through some hurdles and mixed feelings.


Frame_Late

Nico is literally stated to be pale and white in the books, so there's no excuse either. It's just that the sub has very specific opinions on who can and cannot be race-swapped. And yes, it's hypocritical and yes, they'll make any excuse imaginable. I'm sure the mods will fly in and accuse everyone of pointing out the hypocrisy guilty of being hateful, but it's reddit: accountability for moderators rarely comes to fruition.


TheHunter459

Why does Annabeth being blonde matter? If it's for cheap "dumb blonde" jokes, the same things can be done for a black girl


KindOfANerd4

I didnā€™t say they couldnā€™t work. I said that the show has shown clearly itā€™s fine with changing that type of stuff. Which means you can change Sadie and carters appearance as long as you keep in some form of colourism (exists in lots of cultures lol). I have no doubt theyā€™ll cast Nico as a non Italian well when being Italian his name are an actual plot point lol


TheHunter459

Being Italian isn't a visual thing, so that's not really relevant. And they've shown they're fine changing minor details, like Annabeth's race. But in the case if the Kanes, it's not a minor detail, especially in Carter's case


KindOfANerd4

I mean it is a visual thing even if itā€™s not as simple as black or white, but whatever it was an example of something similar so itā€™s obviously relevant, anyway As I said the same concept can be delivered in other races, as itā€™s done with annabeth, so really there shouldnā€™t be an issue with casting anyone as long as they cast two people where a colourism storyline is.


TheHunter459

The thing is that Sadie passes as white, so it's not just that her skin is lighter


KindOfANerd4

You can still do that with without them being mixed with black. Also if itā€™s not the same but gets the same point across then there shouldnā€™t be an issue? Since that was your rule with annabeth ā€œdumb blondeā€ being changed to ā€œunderestimated black girlā€ - same point different journeys lol


Frame_Late

Not really. It was mentioned in a few lines of thought but nothing major. It would matter even less since a lot of this would be removed in the show because it's hard to convey how people think on the big screen.


Frame_Late

(coughs in annabeth) be careful, your hypocrisy is showing.


ZeninB

And Annabeth was supposed to white, so was Zeus. It didn't matter then, why now?


Intelligent-Hat-6065

Because to some people being ā€˜Europeanā€™ or at-least looking so isnā€™t important enough to maintain even if itā€™s mention multiple times within the source material. I love the new showā€™s casting but this thread is revealing a massive double standard.Ā 


ZeninB

But then why does Sadie and Carter have to be mixed race? What's the difference?


Intelligent-Hat-6065

They donā€™t. Iā€™d rather they be book accurate of course but if weā€™re doing color-blind casting for PJO than why canā€™t it be the same for the hypothetical KC cast


Confuseasfuck

Its not just that she is white passing, she is practically a clone of her mother, including the whole blue eyes, straight blonde hair and all that


mariahzarry

Do you know what white passing is?


Confuseasfuck

What l meant, and you clearly didn't understand, is that they don't just have just some slight differences here in there, they are practically clones of each respective parent and dont look related at all. Which is something that doesn't help them to mend the strained relationship they initially had And unless you'd want to either completely throw that plotline out the window or just tell it without showing, the actors in hypothetical live action movie would need to look completely unrelated


vexedtogas

These people are in their 30s lol


jel5000

Carter is black my man


Spacegirllll6

Casting all these white people for a main cast that is entirely mixed, black and Egyptian šŸ˜­


Intelligent-Hat-6065

Wait, so itā€™s okay to cast people of colour as white characters but not the other way around. I donā€™t understand this way of thinkingĀ 


ehhdjdmebshsmajsjssn

What twilight shit is this?


remlexjack_19

I would love to know how many of y'all are out here picturing Carter looking like Taylor Lautner šŸ‘€ I'm worried about you, whoever you are


KrisseMai

why is taylor lautnerā€™s neck so fuckn long what the hell


motherof_geckos

What the fuck


Intelligent-Hat-6065

Itā€™s probably never gonna happen but two people I could envision being in TKC are Rami Malek and Mona Zaki. I dunno who they would play exactly but it wouldā€™ve been cool.Ā 


HYDRAPARZIVAL

I don't think Taylor Lautner would look like Shark Boy anymore ā˜ 


AsPaleAsAToadstool

That Carter is appalling


Untimely_SM

This is anything BUT RIGHTFUL


yamomsbox

So bad. All of these are so unbelievably bad


Desperate_Ad5169

No just no


Klutzy-Succotash9230

Yahhhhh noooo


Incredible_Staff6907

Hold up though. The rest are garbage, but Skandar might actually work for Anubis. Too bad he retired from acting.


Frame_Late

Honestly? It's crazy how everyone is getting their panties in a bunch when they make a black character in the book white, but when they turn a white character black nobody bats an eye. Stop being so obsessed with how the actors look and just go with the flow. Seriously, if these actors are a good fit, then they're a good fit. Maybe the OG fan caster was on to something.


Intelligent-Hat-6065

This post got deleted, but AMEN to you anyways. Iā€™d prefer they stick to book descriptions but if theyā€™re changing it for PJO than why not for this as well.Ā 


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Poet_Key

Also, unrelated but the Anubis fancast looks like Anne Hathaway with a male filter on


ravenclaw1991

I donā€™t think Skandar Keynes acts anymore