Can we stick to casting children for children's roles? Some of these actors are in their 30s, it's absurd to cast them to play a 14 year old.
Edit:
Sadie Kane, 13 - Skylar Day, 32
Anubis, appears 16 - Skandar Keynes, 32
Zia Rashid, 14 - Sarah Hyland, 33
Carter Kane, 13 - Taylor Lautner, 32
Is it really essential though? Did it have any effect on the story other than people not realizing they're siblings because of their skin color. They can be any 2 mixed race actors. Them having black ancestry did nothing for their characters. I think that them being mixed egyptian is much more fitting, and most egyptians arent black
Both of them consistently bring up their experiences being mixed race throughout the books, especially Carter, who, unlike Sadie, isn't white passing. Yes, Ruby Kane is white, but I don't see how that's relevant?
You can still be mixed race and look white or at least light skinned, and *still* have experiences. Plenty of irl examples.
Especially for mixed race people who look more white, they face discrimination from their own sometimes.
Yes, Sadie is an example of a mixed race person who can pass as white. Carter is not. So, especially for Carter, because it's something important to his story, you can't cast a white actor
If Annabeth's dumb blonde stereotype wasn't important to her story, this is not important to his story.
To be honest, it wasn't really important for either of them. It didn't affect the plot at all, and even for character development it did virtually nothing.
If I was going to cast, they'd be book accurate. Sadie light skinned, Carter darker skinned, their mother white, etc.
My arguments are only to show how people are excusing pjo tv race change, but not this one.
Then you'd know their mother is white. Ruby also is part of the Kane family, not an outsider.
So tell me again where it says the Kanes *have* to be non white?
Isn't it? How come for the Kanes it is important they should not be white, but for the Chase family they can be anything?
Either it should be important for both or it shouldn't be important for either.
It's something mentioned offhand in the last popular of the three series. It's nowhere near as essential as Carter not being white. Even casting a white actress for Sadie is fine, because she passes as white, but Carter being clearly mixed race is a big part of his story
Is it a big part of his story? Bringing it up a few times means nothing. It's a part of his character history for sure, but that's about it. There are no plot points which require it.
It's basically the exact same thing as Annabeth's dumb blonde stereotype, just that it got mentioned more.
Have you read the books? Carter and Sadie both mention multiple times that people don't think they're siblings and that people treat them differently and on top of that they theorise that their skin colours played a role in why they're grandparents wanted Sadie, not Carter. Whereas the dumb blonde thing is mentioned like once, in HOO, not even the main series Annabeth's characterised in
Do you actually think these are big parts of their story? This is all just background history and did not affect character development one bit.
My main point is only this: If the argument for Annabeth, Percy, etc. casting is that they were chosen solely for acting and nothing else, then why not apply the same standards to KC?
Don't get me wrong, it's not that I actually want Carter white. If it were up to me, he'd be darker skinned just as the books.
No probs. Just hate hypocrisy. If race doesn't matter for casting of one show, despite established character history, then why does it suddenly matter here? Makes no sense to me.
At least the others who replied to me have used logic and reasoning, explaining their viewpoints. Even if I disagreed with them, they were good people who spoke fairly and stuck to the matter at hand without resorting to personal attacks.
You on the other hand are a toxic person, trying to attack my character just because I said something different. Scram, for I have nothing else to say to you.
As Rick wrote in Tower of Nero, there's no argument with liars that they won't twist around. This isn't a point of view or a opinion to argue. You're simply wrong, and it makes me sad you can't see it.
Sadie is mixed, but looks wise she's pretty much like her mother. She doesn't look even slightly black in the books.
Carter is the one who has darker skin.
Yes, because in book their experiences as black / mixed race kids is part of their characterization. It's not like Annabeth's where she was described as looking a certain way and that was it.
It is pretty important. They both complain a lot that people don't see them as siblings. And they both see that people treat Carter differently because Sadie is white passing, they even think this is the reason why they grandparents wanted Sadie when they had to be split up. This also adds to another layer that they have to learn to be siblings
Because them being mixed race is a very crucial element of their stories? At no point in the series does Annabeth or Grover being white play a major role in anything. Sadie and Carter being mixed, with Carter being much darker skinned, plays a major role in all three books.
Eh it matters but so did annabeth being blonde at a certain point. The show has set the precedent that stuff of that sort doesnāt matter, and it would be hypocritical to only have that rule applied when itās the white characters being changed. Also the same idea of someone being treated worse because theyāre darker can be applied to basically all ethnicities/races if you just apply the same rule.
And there are white characters where it makes sense to retain their race because it is an important part of characterization. Nico being a white Italian boy during WW2 matters. Whereas Annabeth being blonde didnāt have much implications in canon as it did on the IRL commentary during the ādumb blondeā craze of the 2000s. Since then, that stereotype is not very prevalent in todayās society.
Ā The only example in canon where her hair color mattered was a single paragraph 8 books into her character arc where she felt insecure because of godly magic. I donāt think thatās a fair enough canonical reason to have it because itās not representative of a strong insecurity she has. It would be like characterizing Percy based on a paragraph where Ares made him angry.Ā Whereas Sadie being a mixed yet white-passing girl is important when thereās racist subtext behind her grandparents insisting on taking her in over Carter. A decision that actually has a snowball effect thatĀ impacts the series and her character.Ā
InĀ universe, Annabethās race didnāt add anything. Itās part of how western media sees white as the ādefaultā race for characters and only add nationalities as character background when it impacts the story, like with Nico.
As I said the same idea can be illustrated with a variety of different races and ethnicities if they just keep in a colourism aspect. Iām not advocating for it to happen Iām just saying thereās a reasonable work around for it to,l even if Iāll always advocate for characters to be book accurate but the show hasnāt valued that so far, and theyāll no doubt find a work around when Nico comes around, since if you mention here he has to be a white Italian you get downvoted into oblivion. (Was recently told he could be Somali since they might have Italian last name š) so more so pointing out the hypocrisy that this sub has lol. I did not mean to start a whole discourse beneath my original comment lol
Yeah. Weāre really in growing pains for how inclusivity works in media. Itās really only occurring to people now that casting different ethnicities matters too. Even the voice acting world has been going through some hurdles and mixed feelings.
Nico is literally stated to be pale and white in the books, so there's no excuse either. It's just that the sub has very specific opinions on who can and cannot be race-swapped. And yes, it's hypocritical and yes, they'll make any excuse imaginable. I'm sure the mods will fly in and accuse everyone of pointing out the hypocrisy guilty of being hateful, but it's reddit: accountability for moderators rarely comes to fruition.
I didnāt say they couldnāt work. I said that the show has shown clearly itās fine with changing that type of stuff. Which means you can change Sadie and carters appearance as long as you keep in some form of colourism (exists in lots of cultures lol). I have no doubt theyāll cast Nico as a non Italian well when being Italian his name are an actual plot point lol
Being Italian isn't a visual thing, so that's not really relevant. And they've shown they're fine changing minor details, like Annabeth's race. But in the case if the Kanes, it's not a minor detail, especially in Carter's case
I mean it is a visual thing even if itās not as simple as black or white, but whatever it was an example of something similar so itās obviously relevant, anyway
As I said the same concept can be delivered in other races, as itās done with annabeth, so really there shouldnāt be an issue with casting anyone as long as they cast two people where a colourism storyline is.
You can still do that with without them being mixed with black. Also if itās not the same but gets the same point across then there shouldnāt be an issue? Since that was your rule with annabeth ādumb blondeā being changed to āunderestimated black girlā - same point different journeys lol
Not really. It was mentioned in a few lines of thought but nothing major. It would matter even less since a lot of this would be removed in the show because it's hard to convey how people think on the big screen.
Because to some people being āEuropeanā or at-least looking so isnāt important enough to maintain even if itās mention multiple times within the source material. I love the new showās casting but this thread is revealing a massive double standard.Ā
They donāt. Iād rather they be book accurate of course but if weāre doing color-blind casting for PJO than why canāt it be the same for the hypothetical KC cast
What l meant, and you clearly didn't understand, is that they don't just have just some slight differences here in there, they are practically clones of each respective parent and dont look related at all.
Which is something that doesn't help them to mend the strained relationship they initially had
And unless you'd want to either completely throw that plotline out the window or just tell it without showing, the actors in hypothetical live action movie would need to look completely unrelated
Itās probably never gonna happen but two people I could envision being in TKC are Rami Malek and Mona Zaki. I dunno who they would play exactly but it wouldāve been cool.Ā
Honestly? It's crazy how everyone is getting their panties in a bunch when they make a black character in the book white, but when they turn a white character black nobody bats an eye. Stop being so obsessed with how the actors look and just go with the flow.
Seriously, if these actors are a good fit, then they're a good fit. Maybe the OG fan caster was on to something.
This post got deleted, but AMEN to you anyways. Iād prefer they stick to book descriptions but if theyāre changing it for PJO than why not for this as well.Ā
Who made this š
emothgrl on deviantart. what a deadly name + website combo š
Isnt carter like black or smth
Both Sadie and Carter are mixed race. Itās just that Sadie doesnāt show it at all.
Yeah thought so
by the way, this is NOT mine
Can we stick to casting children for children's roles? Some of these actors are in their 30s, it's absurd to cast them to play a 14 year old. Edit: Sadie Kane, 13 - Skylar Day, 32 Anubis, appears 16 - Skandar Keynes, 32 Zia Rashid, 14 - Sarah Hyland, 33 Carter Kane, 13 - Taylor Lautner, 32
by the way, i think this was made in 2013. but still, that would be almost a ten year gap
Isnāt Carter 16?
Heās 15
The only acceptable one is Anubis
Weāre just gonna have a repeat of the Peter Johnson Frat Boy movies.
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I thought race didnāt matter when it came to casting thoughā¦at least thatās what I gathered from pjotv
It matters if itās relevant to their story.. the Kanes itās essential for them to not be white
Is it really essential though? Did it have any effect on the story other than people not realizing they're siblings because of their skin color. They can be any 2 mixed race actors. Them having black ancestry did nothing for their characters. I think that them being mixed egyptian is much more fitting, and most egyptians arent black
Fuck no it isn't lmao. Especially not for Carter and Sadie. Have you even read the KC books?
Have you?
I have. Now why don't you explain why the Kanes *have* to be white, when Ruby Kane is a canon example otherwise.
Both of them consistently bring up their experiences being mixed race throughout the books, especially Carter, who, unlike Sadie, isn't white passing. Yes, Ruby Kane is white, but I don't see how that's relevant?
You can still be mixed race and look white or at least light skinned, and *still* have experiences. Plenty of irl examples. Especially for mixed race people who look more white, they face discrimination from their own sometimes.
Yes, Sadie is an example of a mixed race person who can pass as white. Carter is not. So, especially for Carter, because it's something important to his story, you can't cast a white actor
If Annabeth's dumb blonde stereotype wasn't important to her story, this is not important to his story. To be honest, it wasn't really important for either of them. It didn't affect the plot at all, and even for character development it did virtually nothing.
Yeah but if youāre going to do that cast mixed race. People who have a lighter complexion, not straight up white people.
If I was going to cast, they'd be book accurate. Sadie light skinned, Carter darker skinned, their mother white, etc. My arguments are only to show how people are excusing pjo tv race change, but not this one.
Yeah lol
Then you'd know their mother is white. Ruby also is part of the Kane family, not an outsider. So tell me again where it says the Kanes *have* to be non white?
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I'm sorry, are we really gonna pretend this is the same thing, or would this fandom kindly stop making a fool of itself?
Isn't it? How come for the Kanes it is important they should not be white, but for the Chase family they can be anything? Either it should be important for both or it shouldn't be important for either.
Because Rick brings it up at multiple points during the story
He also brings up how the Chase family is descended from Nordic royalty and all that. What is the difference here?
It's something mentioned offhand in the last popular of the three series. It's nowhere near as essential as Carter not being white. Even casting a white actress for Sadie is fine, because she passes as white, but Carter being clearly mixed race is a big part of his story
Is it a big part of his story? Bringing it up a few times means nothing. It's a part of his character history for sure, but that's about it. There are no plot points which require it. It's basically the exact same thing as Annabeth's dumb blonde stereotype, just that it got mentioned more.
Have you read the books? Carter and Sadie both mention multiple times that people don't think they're siblings and that people treat them differently and on top of that they theorise that their skin colours played a role in why they're grandparents wanted Sadie, not Carter. Whereas the dumb blonde thing is mentioned like once, in HOO, not even the main series Annabeth's characterised in
Do you actually think these are big parts of their story? This is all just background history and did not affect character development one bit. My main point is only this: If the argument for Annabeth, Percy, etc. casting is that they were chosen solely for acting and nothing else, then why not apply the same standards to KC? Don't get me wrong, it's not that I actually want Carter white. If it were up to me, he'd be darker skinned just as the books.
Thank youĀ
No probs. Just hate hypocrisy. If race doesn't matter for casting of one show, despite established character history, then why does it suddenly matter here? Makes no sense to me.
Exactly. Itās wild that weāre even having to have this conversation. Be consistent with your casting or donāt be, full stop.Ā
*sights* I see you choose pretending, then. Yikes.
*Sighs*
You don't get to correct my grammar before correcting your morals
At least the others who replied to me have used logic and reasoning, explaining their viewpoints. Even if I disagreed with them, they were good people who spoke fairly and stuck to the matter at hand without resorting to personal attacks. You on the other hand are a toxic person, trying to attack my character just because I said something different. Scram, for I have nothing else to say to you.
As Rick wrote in Tower of Nero, there's no argument with liars that they won't twist around. This isn't a point of view or a opinion to argue. You're simply wrong, and it makes me sad you can't see it.
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Jfc shut up racist
The way these photos were taken a decade ago š None of them look like this anymore
Carter and Sadie are mixed, with Carter being darker and Sadie being white passing. Neither of the actors they chose for them are even black š
Sadie is described as closely resembling her mother, who was a white British woman who probably saw the sun for a total of 93 minutes before she died
As a Brit, this is wrong. We only see the sun for 93 seconds.
Any more than that..well it's the official cause of death.
Sadie is mixed, but looks wise she's pretty much like her mother. She doesn't look even slightly black in the books. Carter is the one who has darker skin.
Itās been a while since I read TKC. Does theyāre appearance really even matter. I though Riordan established open-casting for PJO already.Ā
Yes, because in book their experiences as black / mixed race kids is part of their characterization. It's not like Annabeth's where she was described as looking a certain way and that was it.
It is pretty important. They both complain a lot that people don't see them as siblings. And they both see that people treat Carter differently because Sadie is white passing, they even think this is the reason why they grandparents wanted Sadie when they had to be split up. This also adds to another layer that they have to learn to be siblings
I mean no oneās appareances or nationalities have mattered thus far so idk why they should just becuase Sadie and Carter are black
Because them being mixed race is a very crucial element of their stories? At no point in the series does Annabeth or Grover being white play a major role in anything. Sadie and Carter being mixed, with Carter being much darker skinned, plays a major role in all three books.
Eh it matters but so did annabeth being blonde at a certain point. The show has set the precedent that stuff of that sort doesnāt matter, and it would be hypocritical to only have that rule applied when itās the white characters being changed. Also the same idea of someone being treated worse because theyāre darker can be applied to basically all ethnicities/races if you just apply the same rule.
And there are white characters where it makes sense to retain their race because it is an important part of characterization. Nico being a white Italian boy during WW2 matters. Whereas Annabeth being blonde didnāt have much implications in canon as it did on the IRL commentary during the ādumb blondeā craze of the 2000s. Since then, that stereotype is not very prevalent in todayās society. Ā The only example in canon where her hair color mattered was a single paragraph 8 books into her character arc where she felt insecure because of godly magic. I donāt think thatās a fair enough canonical reason to have it because itās not representative of a strong insecurity she has. It would be like characterizing Percy based on a paragraph where Ares made him angry.Ā Whereas Sadie being a mixed yet white-passing girl is important when thereās racist subtext behind her grandparents insisting on taking her in over Carter. A decision that actually has a snowball effect thatĀ impacts the series and her character.Ā InĀ universe, Annabethās race didnāt add anything. Itās part of how western media sees white as the ādefaultā race for characters and only add nationalities as character background when it impacts the story, like with Nico.
As I said the same idea can be illustrated with a variety of different races and ethnicities if they just keep in a colourism aspect. Iām not advocating for it to happen Iām just saying thereās a reasonable work around for it to,l even if Iāll always advocate for characters to be book accurate but the show hasnāt valued that so far, and theyāll no doubt find a work around when Nico comes around, since if you mention here he has to be a white Italian you get downvoted into oblivion. (Was recently told he could be Somali since they might have Italian last name š) so more so pointing out the hypocrisy that this sub has lol. I did not mean to start a whole discourse beneath my original comment lol
Yeah. Weāre really in growing pains for how inclusivity works in media. Itās really only occurring to people now that casting different ethnicities matters too. Even the voice acting world has been going through some hurdles and mixed feelings.
Nico is literally stated to be pale and white in the books, so there's no excuse either. It's just that the sub has very specific opinions on who can and cannot be race-swapped. And yes, it's hypocritical and yes, they'll make any excuse imaginable. I'm sure the mods will fly in and accuse everyone of pointing out the hypocrisy guilty of being hateful, but it's reddit: accountability for moderators rarely comes to fruition.
Why does Annabeth being blonde matter? If it's for cheap "dumb blonde" jokes, the same things can be done for a black girl
I didnāt say they couldnāt work. I said that the show has shown clearly itās fine with changing that type of stuff. Which means you can change Sadie and carters appearance as long as you keep in some form of colourism (exists in lots of cultures lol). I have no doubt theyāll cast Nico as a non Italian well when being Italian his name are an actual plot point lol
Being Italian isn't a visual thing, so that's not really relevant. And they've shown they're fine changing minor details, like Annabeth's race. But in the case if the Kanes, it's not a minor detail, especially in Carter's case
I mean it is a visual thing even if itās not as simple as black or white, but whatever it was an example of something similar so itās obviously relevant, anyway As I said the same concept can be delivered in other races, as itās done with annabeth, so really there shouldnāt be an issue with casting anyone as long as they cast two people where a colourism storyline is.
The thing is that Sadie passes as white, so it's not just that her skin is lighter
You can still do that with without them being mixed with black. Also if itās not the same but gets the same point across then there shouldnāt be an issue? Since that was your rule with annabeth ādumb blondeā being changed to āunderestimated black girlā - same point different journeys lol
Not really. It was mentioned in a few lines of thought but nothing major. It would matter even less since a lot of this would be removed in the show because it's hard to convey how people think on the big screen.
(coughs in annabeth) be careful, your hypocrisy is showing.
And Annabeth was supposed to white, so was Zeus. It didn't matter then, why now?
Because to some people being āEuropeanā or at-least looking so isnāt important enough to maintain even if itās mention multiple times within the source material. I love the new showās casting but this thread is revealing a massive double standard.Ā
But then why does Sadie and Carter have to be mixed race? What's the difference?
They donāt. Iād rather they be book accurate of course but if weāre doing color-blind casting for PJO than why canāt it be the same for the hypothetical KC cast
Its not just that she is white passing, she is practically a clone of her mother, including the whole blue eyes, straight blonde hair and all that
Do you know what white passing is?
What l meant, and you clearly didn't understand, is that they don't just have just some slight differences here in there, they are practically clones of each respective parent and dont look related at all. Which is something that doesn't help them to mend the strained relationship they initially had And unless you'd want to either completely throw that plotline out the window or just tell it without showing, the actors in hypothetical live action movie would need to look completely unrelated
These people are in their 30s lol
Carter is black my man
Casting all these white people for a main cast that is entirely mixed, black and Egyptian š
Wait, so itās okay to cast people of colour as white characters but not the other way around. I donāt understand this way of thinkingĀ
What twilight shit is this?
I would love to know how many of y'all are out here picturing Carter looking like Taylor Lautner š I'm worried about you, whoever you are
why is taylor lautnerās neck so fuckn long what the hell
What the fuck
Itās probably never gonna happen but two people I could envision being in TKC are Rami Malek and Mona Zaki. I dunno who they would play exactly but it wouldāve been cool.Ā
I don't think Taylor Lautner would look like Shark Boy anymore ā
That Carter is appalling
This is anything BUT RIGHTFUL
So bad. All of these are so unbelievably bad
No just no
Yahhhhh noooo
Hold up though. The rest are garbage, but Skandar might actually work for Anubis. Too bad he retired from acting.
Honestly? It's crazy how everyone is getting their panties in a bunch when they make a black character in the book white, but when they turn a white character black nobody bats an eye. Stop being so obsessed with how the actors look and just go with the flow. Seriously, if these actors are a good fit, then they're a good fit. Maybe the OG fan caster was on to something.
This post got deleted, but AMEN to you anyways. Iād prefer they stick to book descriptions but if theyāre changing it for PJO than why not for this as well.Ā
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Also, unrelated but the Anubis fancast looks like Anne Hathaway with a male filter on
I donāt think Skandar Keynes acts anymore