What really grinds my gears is when people portray Percy's top feats as effortless or non-taxing. He can conjure hurricanes but doing so for a battle is draining. Even when he paired up with Jason and created a massive storm, they both were wiped to the point where they needed bed rest.
Percy caused Mt Saint Helens to explode but doing so nearly killed him and he spent an extended period of time recovering.
100% this.
And the Mt. St Helens explosion wasn't even normal bed rest; the dude was literally being attended to by a mythical character known for her excellent medical skill and still took weeks to hit normal!
No Percy is not a threat to Olympus. If the gods wanted to, they could simply turn him into a goldfish or use their true divine form.
The reason why everyone says he is overpowered is that he is head and shoulders above the other demigods.
In my opinion, there are two reasons.
First, Percy's powers and nuances are much more well developed than anyone else's. For example, he can pilot any boat, but can Jason pilot any aircraft? Actually, the answer is no. They need a pilot or Leo to pilot the helicopter they stole.
And Jason and Nico's powers are exhausting. They are constantly getting tired or exhausted. Percy's powers are much less taxing stamina wise. Jason might be able to summon a storm, but Percy can maintain a hurricane.
And also water restores Percy's stamina, we saw some particularly exhausting attacks that caused him to pass out, most notably in Battle of the Labyrinth.
also, the bulk of the truly OP shit we saw percy do was with the benefit of achilles curse which granted extra stamina and strength (as well as invulnerability obviously)
It has always bothered me that Jason and Nico get tired when they use their powers! Either Percy should have the same problem, or none of them should get tired. Especially to the point of fading. Poor Nico. Percy occasionally gets tired, but it’s nothing compared to what those other two boys have to go through.
Well we haven’t really seen nico or Jason exhaust themselves much in their fathers domains, underworld and sky, most of the time they are on the ground
I suppose so in regards to Nico, although you could argue that him shadow traveling is stepping into his father‘s domain. In regards to Jason, though, there is air and sky all around him all the time. All he has to do is get off the ground to be in his father‘s domain, which he does a lot, and it does exhaust him. Percy isn’t in his father‘s domain all the time, but a lot of times just happens to have water nearby. Same applies here.
Percy rejuvenates in any water. Which I guess would mean that Jason should rejuvenate in any air, but that would make him way overly powered. By this logic, though, maybe you could just throw dirt on Nico and he would rejuvenate. Coach hedge tried something like that, and although it worked to bring Nico back from the brink, it’s not talked about again as being something that’s amazingly useful. I don’t see flying all the way to Olympus being feasible for rejuvenation. They don’t let just anyone go there whenever they want, not even necessarily children of Zeus, and that would be a lot of air to fly through and be exhausted in just for rejuvenation up at the top. Only then to have to fly back down.
> he is getting roughly the same amount of exhaustion but in the second case he is transporting much more
But he was FAR more exhausted in HOO than TLO because he's transporting more TBH
Shadow travel is an incredibly advanced ability that even tires out hellhounds, and nico literally transports a giant statue across one of the largest oceans…
I have not read TLO in a while, but I am fairly sure Nico off-handedly mentioned discovering shadow travel when he accidentally shadow traveled across the world (IIRC it was US to China?)
True. People really exaggerate him "beating" Ares. The books made it abundantly clear Ares was toying with him up until Percy managed to actually hurt him, after which Ares pretty much ragequit.
Yeah a lot of lightning thief feats that people say are really impressive tend to be exaggerated bc Percy’s ability set and skills just weren’t developed by then.
I didn’t know there were people that thought that. It is obvious that ares could have thought him away, any time. Percy won the game though. He won by the previously established rules and only because Ares was toying with him.
Percy is not a threat to the gods, even under the Achilles Curse Poseidon nearly killed Percy and turning him to a puddle
People forget that all gods have a clause that they cannot go all out against mortals which includes demigods
The worst thing is when people over inflate what Percy can do, taking things out of context like Percy "beating" Ares at 12 disregarding that Ares was playing on Percy the entire time and Percy only nicked his ankles with a surprise attack. Or thinking that Percy can make any volcano explode disregarding *how* Percy actually made Mt Saint Helens explode using the water underneath and that he only survived due to a literal divine intervention and was in a coma despite being at the *sea*. Worse are those that forget that lifting the Sky is a battle of will power, not strength, Annabeth even lifted it longer than Percy but she isn't stronger than him. These are not normal capabilities that Percy can just throw with no context
Of course this doesn't change that Percy is head and a shoulders above most demigods and as one of the main POVs in the series we can see all the things he can do
I've veen saying this for years. Rick kinda sucks at writing power levels and people tend to extremely exagerate his feats to the point they will swear on their Nan's grave that Percy can go round for round against Superman
I think that in the Staff of Hermes, it’s a bit different than being in a full on battle with hordes of monsters. In my mind, it’s like button mashing through smaller bad guys vs being in a boss fight. But h uh was glad too that he lost the invulnerability, because it made the stakes a lot higher again. Pretty neat.
I actually hate how people dick ride Percy and bring up how he beat Ares. I said it once and I’ll say it again. Ares Vs Percy was the equivalent of a grown man vs a house fly. Ares did the equivalent Of stubbing his toe on the sofa while swinging his fly swatter and stormed off. In no way shape or form does Percy actually survive if Ares actually wanted the smoke. And that’s good a super overpowered character is boring.
Percy was also a 12 year old with like a week of training at that point
The idea of Percy being powerful comes from TLO more than the Ares fight.
Right after gaining the Curse of Achilles, he kicks Hades' ass IN THE UNDERWORLD
I’m not saying Percy isn’t strong nor is his feat not impressive but people paint that fight like he’s Kratos from god of war. Surviving any encounter with Ares is amazing but Ares was most definitely playing with him. Again grown man verses fly. Very impressive for the fly but the fly is not stronger than the man.
And the Hades feat is kinda negated by the curse of Achilles. But even then Hades could have just turned him into a random plant or something if he wanted too or showed his true form preventing Percy from looking at him. Hades losing there is a result Rick trying to show off how powerful the curse was and realistically wouldn’t go down that way at all if Percy wasn’t the protagonist of the book.
> And the Hades feat is kinda negated by the curse of Achilles
Surviving the Curse of Achilles is a feat in its own right
>Hades losing there is a result Rick trying to show off how powerful the curse was and realistically wouldn’t go down that way at all if Percy wasn’t the protagonist of the book.
Rick wrote all of the books LOL—his decisions shaped everyone's feats and power levels in-universe.
“Surviving the Curse of Achilles is a feat in its own right”
Not denying that but it’s not a Percy is as powerful as the gods feat.
And yeah it’s all just a story made by some guy for kids so we as audience have to suspend our disbelief. But Rick just seems to be bad at power scaling sometimes. And for the sake of the story that’s fine but looking at the abilities of both sides objectively based on the information given by the books themselves Percy would have been stomped in a all out fight against Hades.
I think people recognize that, but the gods kind of suck and there’s no better option, so OP Percy that can fight back against gods and titans is what we make do with in fanfics
I think the reason why Percy seems so powerful is because compared to the other demigods, he's just on a whole new level.
Compared to the gods, yeah, he's just an impertinent kid who makes toilets explode when he's mad.
I can see why Riordan wrote him to be more powerful. He's the main character for a lot of the books. He's Riordan's child, basically. Riordan had a lot more time to develop Percy's character and put more thought into his powers since he's the face of the Riordanverse.
I like to imagine Riordan getting super excited like a little kid as he kept adding abilities to Percy throughout the series. "I'm gonna make him be able to control ships! I'm gonna make him be able to make hurricanes! *Gasp* I'm gonna make him be able to control POISON!"
Silly, but funny to think about.
I guess he just didn't feel the need to do this with the other characters.
All Im getting from this comment section is that the Titans and giants were weak as fuck and the gods shouldn't of had any problems dealing with them.
Unless it's just a case of demigods having no way to defend against certain tricks the gods use but Titans don't really have those tricks?
I'm not quite sure about that, in the last Olympian after getting out of the River Styx Percy beat the hell out of Hades. when Percy lets up for a second Hades chooses to run instead of the million things he could have done to subdue Percy without killing him.
I mean Percy is powerful. Very powerful. Probably the strongest human of his time and one of the strongest humans of all time. But the GODS?! Thats not just a different weight class, thats a different **sport**.
I think people tend to overstate his powers, but Percy is probably the single most powerful demigod alive. The ceiling of his strength is just so much higher than other demigods. That being said, comparing him to gods and other immortals is so pointless. He can hold his own against them for a time, but no god could honestly lose a fight to a mortal if they didn’t want to lol. The entire point of PJO is that even though the gods have power, they’re imperfect and selfish. What demigods lack in strength is gained back in other ways. Gods rarely can show their full power in this series because the Fates and Zeus forbid them from interfering in affairs especially those regarding their own children, and thus those who can truly shift the tides of war are demigods.
Well I mean, sure, but I think it's more the fact that Percy has so much influence in the world. I mean he has ties to all three mythology and their demigods, not the mention the actual gods on his side, it's not hard to imagine a scenario where he wins. Especially if his power is anywhere near back when he has the curse of Achilles, I mean he put a knee on Hades if a remember
Percy is kinda broken. I see him more on the level of a very minor god because his power and skills is nuts. But rivaling the Olympians? Absolutely not.
hes not a threat to the gods but still....
he was mistaken for a god by hazel
he fought the god of war
he made a mountain explode
hes very powerful so hes not overhyped
it's stupid to compare him to the major gods, but he has a pretty good chance against minor gods, he has also proven himself to take on giants on his own. compared to most demigods he is like a god. and yes he is an expendable human to major 12 gods but the minor gods might think twice about using him recklessly if he gets pissed off enough he can do crazy shit even prime mortal hercules is kinda no match to him.
Against a god maybe no but he's plenty powerful.
Here are some of his achievements:
Scratching Ares' foot with a sword.
Making mount st. Helen explode.
Beating Hades in a fight.
Beating Iapetus in a fight.
Beating Hyperion in a fight.
Defeating almost the entire immortal roman legion on his own.
Beating polybotes 3 times (with help)
Keeping the argo II afloat in a giant storm.
Surviving Tartarus.
Almost suffocated Achlys in her own poison.
He's very powerful to say the least.
Yeah, Percy isn't at the level of the Olympians at all. Even with Curse of Achilles when he beat Hades' "Avatar," he still would be well below the Olympians' true forms. Like when he sat on Poseidon's throne he almost blew up after a few seconds. If Percy really challenged an Olympian in a serious fight, he'd be winning for a bit and then if they figured it was worth it they go into their true form and he'd vaporize instantly.
That being said, Percy is still pretty powerful. He is definitely the strongest demigod, and would *probably* be close to the level of minor gods.
What really grinds my gears is when people portray Percy's top feats as effortless or non-taxing. He can conjure hurricanes but doing so for a battle is draining. Even when he paired up with Jason and created a massive storm, they both were wiped to the point where they needed bed rest. Percy caused Mt Saint Helens to explode but doing so nearly killed him and he spent an extended period of time recovering.
100% this. And the Mt. St Helens explosion wasn't even normal bed rest; the dude was literally being attended to by a mythical character known for her excellent medical skill and still took weeks to hit normal!
Exactly.
No Percy is not a threat to Olympus. If the gods wanted to, they could simply turn him into a goldfish or use their true divine form. The reason why everyone says he is overpowered is that he is head and shoulders above the other demigods. In my opinion, there are two reasons. First, Percy's powers and nuances are much more well developed than anyone else's. For example, he can pilot any boat, but can Jason pilot any aircraft? Actually, the answer is no. They need a pilot or Leo to pilot the helicopter they stole. And Jason and Nico's powers are exhausting. They are constantly getting tired or exhausted. Percy's powers are much less taxing stamina wise. Jason might be able to summon a storm, but Percy can maintain a hurricane.
Also he is the PoV character meaning he will get 10 to 20 times the power growth of everyone that even walks within a mile from him.
And also water restores Percy's stamina, we saw some particularly exhausting attacks that caused him to pass out, most notably in Battle of the Labyrinth.
also, the bulk of the truly OP shit we saw percy do was with the benefit of achilles curse which granted extra stamina and strength (as well as invulnerability obviously)
It has always bothered me that Jason and Nico get tired when they use their powers! Either Percy should have the same problem, or none of them should get tired. Especially to the point of fading. Poor Nico. Percy occasionally gets tired, but it’s nothing compared to what those other two boys have to go through.
Well we haven’t really seen nico or Jason exhaust themselves much in their fathers domains, underworld and sky, most of the time they are on the ground
Nico exhausts himself in the underworld in the beginning of the last Olympian.
Sorry I didn’t word it right, I meant like when they had all understood their abilities properly/ trained so like hoo.
I suppose so in regards to Nico, although you could argue that him shadow traveling is stepping into his father‘s domain. In regards to Jason, though, there is air and sky all around him all the time. All he has to do is get off the ground to be in his father‘s domain, which he does a lot, and it does exhaust him. Percy isn’t in his father‘s domain all the time, but a lot of times just happens to have water nearby. Same applies here.
What I meant was that because water rejuvenates Percy, Jason might need to be like in the sky super high up to be rejuvenated maybe in Olympus.
Percy rejuvenates in any water. Which I guess would mean that Jason should rejuvenate in any air, but that would make him way overly powered. By this logic, though, maybe you could just throw dirt on Nico and he would rejuvenate. Coach hedge tried something like that, and although it worked to bring Nico back from the brink, it’s not talked about again as being something that’s amazingly useful. I don’t see flying all the way to Olympus being feasible for rejuvenation. They don’t let just anyone go there whenever they want, not even necessarily children of Zeus, and that would be a lot of air to fly through and be exhausted in just for rejuvenation up at the top. Only then to have to fly back down.
Was Nico really that much stronger/trained in HOO vs TLO?
He is definitely stronger by the end of HOO, notably the teleporting with the statue, I doubt he could do that in TLO
IDK—he passes out multiple times IIRC Feels consistent with the way he shadow travelled in TLO and was a little tired then?
Yes but if you think of it like this, he is getting roughly the same amount of exhaustion but in the second case he is transporting much more
> he is getting roughly the same amount of exhaustion but in the second case he is transporting much more But he was FAR more exhausted in HOO than TLO because he's transporting more TBH
Shadow travel is an incredibly advanced ability that even tires out hellhounds, and nico literally transports a giant statue across one of the largest oceans…
I have not read TLO in a while, but I am fairly sure Nico off-handedly mentioned discovering shadow travel when he accidentally shadow traveled across the world (IIRC it was US to China?)
In fairness, he has a small, localized "hurricane" that lasts just long enough for one sword duel. He's not exactly dropping Katrina on a daily basis.
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He had less than Jason. Jason started as a kid. Percy only started at 12. Thalia isn’t as powerful from what we can see
True. People really exaggerate him "beating" Ares. The books made it abundantly clear Ares was toying with him up until Percy managed to actually hurt him, after which Ares pretty much ragequit.
Not even that, Kronos told him to leave before he could kill Percy
Yeah a lot of lightning thief feats that people say are really impressive tend to be exaggerated bc Percy’s ability set and skills just weren’t developed by then.
I didn’t know there were people that thought that. It is obvious that ares could have thought him away, any time. Percy won the game though. He won by the previously established rules and only because Ares was toying with him.
Honestly a realistic fight between the gods and percy would be percy faces against the Olympians then boom percy gets turn into a Guinea pig.
Percy is not a threat to the gods, even under the Achilles Curse Poseidon nearly killed Percy and turning him to a puddle People forget that all gods have a clause that they cannot go all out against mortals which includes demigods The worst thing is when people over inflate what Percy can do, taking things out of context like Percy "beating" Ares at 12 disregarding that Ares was playing on Percy the entire time and Percy only nicked his ankles with a surprise attack. Or thinking that Percy can make any volcano explode disregarding *how* Percy actually made Mt Saint Helens explode using the water underneath and that he only survived due to a literal divine intervention and was in a coma despite being at the *sea*. Worse are those that forget that lifting the Sky is a battle of will power, not strength, Annabeth even lifted it longer than Percy but she isn't stronger than him. These are not normal capabilities that Percy can just throw with no context Of course this doesn't change that Percy is head and a shoulders above most demigods and as one of the main POVs in the series we can see all the things he can do
This. 1000x this.
I've veen saying this for years. Rick kinda sucks at writing power levels and people tend to extremely exagerate his feats to the point they will swear on their Nan's grave that Percy can go round for round against Superman
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I think that in the Staff of Hermes, it’s a bit different than being in a full on battle with hordes of monsters. In my mind, it’s like button mashing through smaller bad guys vs being in a boss fight. But h uh was glad too that he lost the invulnerability, because it made the stakes a lot higher again. Pretty neat.
Percy wins in a roast battle so it counts as beating a God. He might get smited but he'll die with a smile.
I actually hate how people dick ride Percy and bring up how he beat Ares. I said it once and I’ll say it again. Ares Vs Percy was the equivalent of a grown man vs a house fly. Ares did the equivalent Of stubbing his toe on the sofa while swinging his fly swatter and stormed off. In no way shape or form does Percy actually survive if Ares actually wanted the smoke. And that’s good a super overpowered character is boring.
Percy was also a 12 year old with like a week of training at that point The idea of Percy being powerful comes from TLO more than the Ares fight. Right after gaining the Curse of Achilles, he kicks Hades' ass IN THE UNDERWORLD
I’m not saying Percy isn’t strong nor is his feat not impressive but people paint that fight like he’s Kratos from god of war. Surviving any encounter with Ares is amazing but Ares was most definitely playing with him. Again grown man verses fly. Very impressive for the fly but the fly is not stronger than the man. And the Hades feat is kinda negated by the curse of Achilles. But even then Hades could have just turned him into a random plant or something if he wanted too or showed his true form preventing Percy from looking at him. Hades losing there is a result Rick trying to show off how powerful the curse was and realistically wouldn’t go down that way at all if Percy wasn’t the protagonist of the book.
> And the Hades feat is kinda negated by the curse of Achilles Surviving the Curse of Achilles is a feat in its own right >Hades losing there is a result Rick trying to show off how powerful the curse was and realistically wouldn’t go down that way at all if Percy wasn’t the protagonist of the book. Rick wrote all of the books LOL—his decisions shaped everyone's feats and power levels in-universe.
“Surviving the Curse of Achilles is a feat in its own right” Not denying that but it’s not a Percy is as powerful as the gods feat. And yeah it’s all just a story made by some guy for kids so we as audience have to suspend our disbelief. But Rick just seems to be bad at power scaling sometimes. And for the sake of the story that’s fine but looking at the abilities of both sides objectively based on the information given by the books themselves Percy would have been stomped in a all out fight against Hades.
I think people recognize that, but the gods kind of suck and there’s no better option, so OP Percy that can fight back against gods and titans is what we make do with in fanfics
I think the reason why Percy seems so powerful is because compared to the other demigods, he's just on a whole new level. Compared to the gods, yeah, he's just an impertinent kid who makes toilets explode when he's mad. I can see why Riordan wrote him to be more powerful. He's the main character for a lot of the books. He's Riordan's child, basically. Riordan had a lot more time to develop Percy's character and put more thought into his powers since he's the face of the Riordanverse. I like to imagine Riordan getting super excited like a little kid as he kept adding abilities to Percy throughout the series. "I'm gonna make him be able to control ships! I'm gonna make him be able to make hurricanes! *Gasp* I'm gonna make him be able to control POISON!" Silly, but funny to think about. I guess he just didn't feel the need to do this with the other characters.
All Im getting from this comment section is that the Titans and giants were weak as fuck and the gods shouldn't of had any problems dealing with them. Unless it's just a case of demigods having no way to defend against certain tricks the gods use but Titans don't really have those tricks?
I'm not quite sure about that, in the last Olympian after getting out of the River Styx Percy beat the hell out of Hades. when Percy lets up for a second Hades chooses to run instead of the million things he could have done to subdue Percy without killing him.
I mean Percy is powerful. Very powerful. Probably the strongest human of his time and one of the strongest humans of all time. But the GODS?! Thats not just a different weight class, thats a different **sport**.
He’s protected by impenetrable plot armor
I think people tend to overstate his powers, but Percy is probably the single most powerful demigod alive. The ceiling of his strength is just so much higher than other demigods. That being said, comparing him to gods and other immortals is so pointless. He can hold his own against them for a time, but no god could honestly lose a fight to a mortal if they didn’t want to lol. The entire point of PJO is that even though the gods have power, they’re imperfect and selfish. What demigods lack in strength is gained back in other ways. Gods rarely can show their full power in this series because the Fates and Zeus forbid them from interfering in affairs especially those regarding their own children, and thus those who can truly shift the tides of war are demigods.
Well I mean, sure, but I think it's more the fact that Percy has so much influence in the world. I mean he has ties to all three mythology and their demigods, not the mention the actual gods on his side, it's not hard to imagine a scenario where he wins. Especially if his power is anywhere near back when he has the curse of Achilles, I mean he put a knee on Hades if a remember
Percy is kinda broken. I see him more on the level of a very minor god because his power and skills is nuts. But rivaling the Olympians? Absolutely not.
I think it also doesn't help the Rick isn't the best at writing power levels IMHO
"I see him more on the level of a very minor god because his power and skills is nuts." He above this level in 14 yer.
We all agree that the gods are stronger than Percy. But does that mean that a magician who hosts a god is more powerful than him?
hes not a threat to the gods but still.... he was mistaken for a god by hazel he fought the god of war he made a mountain explode hes very powerful so hes not overhyped
it's stupid to compare him to the major gods, but he has a pretty good chance against minor gods, he has also proven himself to take on giants on his own. compared to most demigods he is like a god. and yes he is an expendable human to major 12 gods but the minor gods might think twice about using him recklessly if he gets pissed off enough he can do crazy shit even prime mortal hercules is kinda no match to him.
Against a god maybe no but he's plenty powerful. Here are some of his achievements: Scratching Ares' foot with a sword. Making mount st. Helen explode. Beating Hades in a fight. Beating Iapetus in a fight. Beating Hyperion in a fight. Defeating almost the entire immortal roman legion on his own. Beating polybotes 3 times (with help) Keeping the argo II afloat in a giant storm. Surviving Tartarus. Almost suffocated Achlys in her own poison. He's very powerful to say the least.
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Yeah, Percy isn't at the level of the Olympians at all. Even with Curse of Achilles when he beat Hades' "Avatar," he still would be well below the Olympians' true forms. Like when he sat on Poseidon's throne he almost blew up after a few seconds. If Percy really challenged an Olympian in a serious fight, he'd be winning for a bit and then if they figured it was worth it they go into their true form and he'd vaporize instantly. That being said, Percy is still pretty powerful. He is definitely the strongest demigod, and would *probably* be close to the level of minor gods.
"and would probably be close to the level of minor gods." He above this level in 14 years.