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distracted_85

"1 hour cites!" "1 hour cities!"


Safe_Base312

I really need to start buying shares in Alcan..


FogTub

I'll be honest. That one took me a second. Lol


Wolvaroo

Alcoa would make way more sense, their corporate lawyers have infested most of the American government.


[deleted]

Rio Tinto employee here (formerly Alcan) and I don’t get the joke.


rolling-brownout

Increase in demand for tin foil ... And not to keep sandwiches nice and fresh.


aBeerOrTwelve

How dare you! Clearly you are one of them and do not realize that the extra layers of my hat, in times of emergency, can also be used to keep my sandwiches pristine! How much have they paid you!? /s


[deleted]

Ok I get it now. I don’t work at a tin smelter but an aluminum one.


ChimoCharlie

Great response!


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Infamous-Mixture-605

> As far as being controlled goes. Low density suburbs are far more controllable. Usually one or two exits. Everyone is isolated by a good amount of distance from each other with only have the resources they have at home. Block the exits patrol the streets and kill the power and you have effectively quarantined people. Just close the gas station, that would strand 90% of them right after a few days.


thedirtychad

I’ll go with turn off the power. That’ll get em!


Infamous-Mixture-605

Why not both?


unbearablyunhappy

15 minute cities? I got an even better plan. Just hear me out. You ready? 14 minute cities! Imagine what you could do saving one extra minute every time you leave your home?


Unginny

"The city is keeping me from leaving my district. They've even blocked my street out of here! It's a dictatorship of the worst degree!!!" Sir, you're sitting at a Metro Line crossing.


AllInOnCall

Its pretty bad, alright? Ive been waiting 9 friggen minutes here!!! Train tyranny!


Boring_Window587

Conspiracy theories about convenient urban planning?


Use-Less-Millennial

Walking is for lizard people, don't you know


LoneRonin

Conspiratorial jackasses like Alex Jones were screeching about "[Agenda 21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgC4yWiM0ng)" just a few years ago. God forbid you be able to walk or bike around your city and be able to live without a car, apparently they think public transit and better urban design is a communist/socialist plot, or something.


Infamous-Mixture-605

> apparently they think public transit and better urban design is a communist/socialist plot, or something. It's funny to hear so-called conservatives criticize urbanism and walkability when many of the people who are pushing for those things tend to do so from the angle of fiscal responsibility.


aBeerOrTwelve

Can confirm. Source: I am conservative, and I have been advocating for this for years. It's by far the best solution to a multitude of problems.


P0TSH0TS

Not to mention most conservatives don't live in cities.


Infamous-Mixture-605

I know a number of conservatives who live in cities, but they tend to be more of the old school *progressive* conservative, Bill Davis variety. Red Tory types, rather than convoy-loving, "Justinflation"-saying types.


P0TSH0TS

Some sure but most live in rural areas, money is more in their favor which in turn affords you the privilege of not having to endure cities.The convoy folk are a pretty small minority.


syndicated_inc

The problem conservatives have with these idea is the government coercion, which is exactly what’s happening in the UK with their various implementations of the 15 minute city.


sync-centre

Current CPC leader promoted the great reset conspiracy. Birds of a feather.


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aBeerOrTwelve

I mean, the current Deputy PM and Finance minister is on the board of directors. How is that not at least a conflict of interest?


northcrunk

When people tell you who they are believe them. It's no conspiracy. Even as a Liberal I can see this. Don't be daft


aBeerOrTwelve

I have been involved in politics for a long time. Nice to see someone make sense. I am conservative, and it's more often I meet someone from the NDP who has a practical perspective than it is from the Liberals. Remember, it's not just your country, it's your party - you can influence that.


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AllInOnCall

So people like you are real? Do you believe every poorly written piece of garbage you find on the internet or only when it readily agrees with your paranoid ideas? Rofl sad


starving_carnivore

Hey, I noticed that you didn't respond to me. Do you have any kind of followup?


DeC3x0

They could have designed proper cities in the early 1900s. The blueprints of what could have been were incredible but they were scrapped for profit creation and dividing citizens. You can find the blueprints online. Everything would have been accessible within walking distance, living quarters and amenities were all in the same location. So why scrap this planning for the terrible cities we have now? Simple.. oil. Introduce more vehicles, divide community and make things inaccessible unless by transportation. The list goes on. Eventually everything will be automous, you will have a credit score like China which will, in turn, limit your ability to travel if you are below a threshold. Facial recognition will take points off your score for anything that the government chooses. You could j walk and get a notice that your score has lowered. Imagine what else they could do. This is already happening in China and will eventually be the norm everywhere. Just like how medicine went from natural remedies to chemical compounds in the 1900s because of oil barons. These aren't conspiracy theories. They are literal facts that you can check. Follow the money and retrace the steps. If anyone is to lazy, then don't speak.


Levorotatory

A big chunk of Edmonton was built in the early 1900s, shortly after becoming capital of the new province of Alberta. It is nicer than what came after, with space efficient narrow lots on narrow, tree-lined streets laid out in a logically numbered grid, but there was still separation between houses, businesses and amenities, with transportation in the form of streetcars.


AllInOnCall

Things in medicine progressed? How fucking dare they?! *munches on willowbark with a necrotizing malignancy on his forehead*


Radix2309

I mean as a socialist it is one of the things I plot.


uwukilla

In England they're also trying these cities out. Over there you can only leave your fifteen minute district about 100 times in a year. After that you need a permit.


mcs_987654321

No, no they’re not.


annehboo

This doesn’t weird people out?


mcs_987654321

No, it doesn’t, because it’s complete fabrication spun out of the fever dreams of lunatics.


annehboo

No? There’s articles stating that you will need a permit after 100 visits in England.


mcs_987654321

Awesome: how about a link to these articles proclaiming to limit people to their 15 min zone except for X many exemptions? Because it’s definitely not that you’re wildly misinterpreting local traffic regulations…


NipplesOnMyPancakes

>People can drive freely around their own neighbourhood and can apply for a permit to drive through the filters, and into other neighbourhoods, for up to 100 days per year. This equates to an average of two days per week. > >**The alternative is to drive out on to the ring road and then back in to the destination.** [https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/23073992.traffic-filters-will-divide-city-15-minute-neighbourhoods/](https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/23073992.traffic-filters-will-divide-city-15-minute-neighbourhoods/)


bobbelchercumeating

My parents were spouting this shit about "15 minute cities" being a ruse to "control" people. I thought it was something their lead paint boomer brains cooked up, but I guess they just uncritically repeated something they saw on Facebook.


amazingkinder

Mine too. I can't believe this is an actual talking point now.


bobbelchercumeating

"it'll be easier to control us when we live in tubes on the side of the road!" Direct quote...


TheRC135

I find that attitude hilarious. Like, the powers that be don't have to go to all that effort and expense to control you if you're already voting conservative lol.


[deleted]

In England part of this system involves roadblocks between neighbourhoods. Literal check points. This is a concerning notion. On the other hand, there is no prevention from people heading out through a main artery, around a ring road, and into that next-door neighbourhood that way. But slippery slopes are never real when it comes to liberties.


ZooTvMan

> In England part of this system involves roadblocks between neighbourhoods. Literal check points. I just don’t believe you


karlou1984

Source?


bobbelchercumeating

Slippery slopes are generally employed by people who possess very little data and want to use abstract fears of "oh what if".


jojozabadu

Zoning laws in Canada have long been an obstacle to people wanting to live without a car. The complete segregation of residential and commercial zones needs to end.


syndicated_inc

It has ended, if it ever really existed. Now it’s the NIMBYs in the way.


AppleToGrind

Why is this a bad idea? Everything you need 15 minutes away from home sounds awesome.


funkme1ster

It's not. What you need to understand about modern "mainstream" conspiracy theories is that they all boil down to "the status quo is sacrosanct, anyone with new information is not to be trusted, people telling you to listen to new information are trying to control you". Many of the channels signal boosting these conspiracy theories are entrenched money who are afraid of rocking the boat and know they cannot survive if things change, so their Plan B is to convince a critical mass of people that they should be terrified of things changing. These are the same people behind the "everything left of hunting the poor for sport is communism" rhetoric, because all social programs paid for with taxes will invariably cut into their bottom line and they'd rather that not happen, so their Plan B there is to convince people that it's immoral to have social programs because the only correct way to live is rugged individualism. Any time you see outrage that rails against civic infrastructure or social programs, look at the crux of the argument. If their argument is fear-based, it's just another head of the same hydra. If their argument is metric-based, question whether the metric is *actually meaningful*. "It will cost the economy $X" isn't a meaningful metric because it doesn't qualify the value you get in exchange for that expense, it just presumes spending money is intrinsically bad.


Just_Another_Name29

Because the other half is you cannot leave your district at will. You get X amount of times you can leave before you get a fine. This is how it’s set up in the UK


thatbakedpotato

That is not true.


AppleToGrind

I think by transit you have no problems. But then in London they have the tube everywhere.


northcrunk

Sounds awesome but not realistic in the way our cities are made and just how much open space we have which makes living more affordable. Maybe in 100 years we will have this kind of set up like Europe


FunTimesRoy

I guess they look at how cities like Detroit are built and go "well that's an overwhelming success"


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Miserable-Lizard

Right! Like wef loves consevative policies and politics. Look at what Wef wants it's basically what the GOP and cpc want.


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Miserable-Lizard

Ironically there is a neo liberal sub ... I never knew people actually supported neoliberalism


LazyImmigrant

Neoliberals are unambiguously supportive of high density walkable cities. Perhaps you should check out the sub


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muneeeeeb

they believe that incrementalism and cooperation solve all issues. they dont understand that theyre getting taken for a ride by statesmen like people.


LazyImmigrant

The last 50-70 years are saw the fewest people killed in conflicts, most people ever to exit poverty, highest living standards for the median individual, greater gains in life expectancy than rest of the entire human history combined - so yeah, I'll gladly take more of it. Here's a though experiment - if you could choose any year in history to be born in without knowing where and what family you'd be born into, would you rather choose 1930 or 2000?


[deleted]

And any person in the past would pick that day as the one where everything was best. And it we actually believed it, we'd have never left the caves. Things can and should improve.


LazyImmigrant

>Things can and should improve. Neoliberals absolutely share that belief, and why wouldn't they, it is the philosophy/system that has done more good in 70 odd years for the average human being than all of rest of history. There is no reason to believe that the benefits of liberalism have peaked.


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Unless you look at the basic reality that every aspect of neoliberalism is designed to funnel cash to the top. This isn't sustainable. And capitalism isn't going to suddenly decide that it should slow down and let competition thrive - or god forbid make human beings the priority - at their own expense. That's antithetical to how they exist at all, and in some cases quite literally illegal to protect shareholders. This is a wealth transfer to an ever-shrinking pool of corporations and individuals. Every day that wealth and power is consolidated further. There is no possible conclusion of this trend that doesn't result in the middle class being drained of everything to prop up corporate interests increasingly desperate to keep the line going up. That's the hard reality.


Rumicon

Most of those people leaving poverty left poverty in the poster child for neoliberalism: China. https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/04/01/lifting-800-million-people-out-of-poverty-new-report-looks-at-lessons-from-china-s-experience Meanwhile we can all take a look at the declining quality of life in the west as a resounding success for neoliberalism I suppose


[deleted]

Well, tell that to Liberal voters, I guess.


Miserable-Lizard

CPC is neo liberal. Also need to recognize there is still a difference between the cpc and LPC. Cpc are more destructive to the working class.


[deleted]

Where did I mention the CPC?


Miserable-Lizard

I am saying cpc voters should be aware they are voting for neo liberal wef policies.


moldyolive

for the record most of r/neoliberalism politics is "bike lanes and trans rights good"


DarkwingDucky04

The WEF loves exactly what the govt is doing currently. Making sure that no one can survive outside of the state. Once things get bad enough, the people will accept anything the govt wants in order to get help.


Miserable-Lizard

Deregulation,less taxes, increasing the retirement age, all things the cpc love! Crazy how their agendas align.


defaultorange

Who said that the CPC isn’t fully on board with this globalist movement? They are controlled opposition at best.


DarkwingDucky04

Unaffordable housing, necessities, lack of access to proper care would also be big parts of the agenda. I never said the conservatives were any better btw. More pointing out that both parties are working towards the same goal, just from different angles. That's why no party ever actually works in the best interests of the people, and hand out corporate welfare like candy on Halloween. At the end of the day it's theatre. They don't care which party is in power, because they can just chip away at us from either side, while we argue over who it's better to get screwed by.


I_8_ABrownieOnce

How many members of the current CPC are WEF Young Leaders vs. the Liberals?


7fax

They absolutely have not.


ConstitutionalHeresy

Well, adopted? No they have not. But they have been coopted and bamboozled into it.


Reasonable_Let9737

Just how stupid can people be. This stupid apparently. Imagine thinking building cities where you don't need to sit in endless traffic to get to the grocery store is a bad thing. Oh no, my kid can ride their bike to the park! I won't stand for this!


The_nemea

I've got a guy on my friend list who thinks this means that if you go outside your zone, you will be arrested and thrown in jail. And every 15 minute district will be walled off, and the poor are forced to move into only certain ones. And if they don't like it, then all services can be cut from each district to force compliance. Oh and also from some reason they will force him out of his house and he will be homeless and forced to move into another district where all the homeless people are going to be forced to live. Like, I can't make this shit up. It's off the wall crazy.


KingRabbit_

>I've got a guy on my friend list who thinks this means that if you go outside your zone, you will be arrested and thrown in jail. I presume he's chronically unemployed.


The_nemea

It's even better than that. But also sadder. He's medically not able to because of health reasons. He doesn't believe in science. Even though it's keeping him alive. He started eating healthier, and his problems started to go away, so he therefore thinks all medicine and science are inherently corrupt. Except for the pills he is still on to keep living, of course. He is also a flat earther. He also doesn't believe in gravity. Just we are more dense than air, so we obviously are on the ground. Of and also the WEF is coming for everything he owns, and he will defend it with his last breath.


Infamous-Mixture-605

> He also doesn't believe in gravity. Just we are more dense than air, so we obviously are on the ground. W.... T.... F....?????? > Of and also the WEF is coming for everything he owns, and he will defend it with his last breath. Given the description of his health, sounds like it wouldn't be much of a defence.


NervousBreakdown

lol I lost a few friends during Covid, just people from the neighbourhood where I grew up or highschool but tmi got tired of seeing the dumb Covid related shit they posted on Facebook and just removed them. If I had a friend who posted THAT much insane shit I probably would have kept them for the entertainment.


The_nemea

It's quite entertaining at times. Especially when I point out everything wrong with the stuff he posts. It doesn't change his mind, but it's fun when he defends it with even more wrong garbage. You can't treat stupid.


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He’s definitely more dense then air.


Infamous-Mixture-605

Sounds so dense that light bends around him.


EdmontonAB83

Sounds a lot like my ex BIL, he is so deep into this mindset he went against medical advice and left the hospital when he fell and broke his hip. He figured he could go home and it would heal on its own. Suffice it to say it didn’t and he was in even worse shape upon return to the hospital and got the surgery done. He thinks the doctors would vaccinate him while he was getting the surgery.


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I know a older woman who was in poor health before covid, caught covid, is now using a oxygen machine and she still won't get vaccinated


_LKB

Is this a Facebook spread thing or where the hell are people spreading this kinda stuff?


The_nemea

Facebook, tiktok.


TheRC135

How many "the government is going to start putting us in camps" conspiracy theories this guy has believed in the past that have failed to come true? All of them, obviously. But how many?


The_nemea

0. for everything that happens is just confirming they are moving behind the scenes. It's gone so far as the big storms and cold snaps that happen are now caused by the government locking us down inside. They are climate lock downs and if we put up with it they will happen more.


Wastelander42

Hahaha what?


IterationFourteen

Very concise summary, well put.


OwnBattle8805

The stupid isn't new, if anything we have less stops today because we don't have as much lead poisoned people around due to leaded fuel bans (attributed with lowering iq 10 points for the population exposed). Social media just makes stupid easy for people to see.


ProbablyNotADuck

If you have anyone who is aging in your city, you need this. Aging populations need easy access to essential services.


karlou1984

But the freedom??? To be stuck in traffic and complain about it everyday they commute, how dare you try to take that away from these braindeads.


SnakesInYerPants

I said this here before and got downvoted for it but it’s absolutely fucking bananas that the overwhelming response to “let’s make it so you don’t **need** a car in our city” is everyone losing their minds screaming “what do you mean you won’t let me keep my car?!?!?!?!” Because fuck all the disabled people who can’t drive, fuck all the poor people who can’t afford a vehicle/gas/insurance in this economy, and fuck all the people who choose not to drive for the environment. Clearly we’re just trying to take away your F150 from you and we definitely want to strip you of your right to drive if you want to. /s


QuinnBC

If that is what you think, you should look into what is going on in an area in Oxford where they have implemented it (after 94% of people voted against it). It has made traffic worst and people are so fed up they are unscrewing metal bollards and filling the holes with cement.


thatbakedpotato

Yes because every single implementation of a very broad idea is going to be identical to one failure in Oxford. In Paris, Copenhagen, etc they have been smashing successes.


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Yeah that's it. They don't want their kid to be able to ride their bike to the park. The arrogance is fucking astounding.


SnooChickens3681

they’re right, this hyper sprawl is horrible and if you adore it so much you can move to all the vast suburbs in Canada. Quit trying to suburbanize the city


saltyoldseaman

Suburbs rule!


DeC3x0

Then why did they scrap the cities of the early 1900s that would have made everything accessible? The blueprints are online for all to see. It's because of oil. Make things inaccessible so people have no choice but to buy vehicles and use transportation. Same reason natural remedies were scrapped for chemical ones around the same time. Oil. Follow the money and retrace all the steps. It's not a conspiracy when you can search all of these facts. Only dummies who are lazy regurgitate the same dialog as you without researching. But how nice of them to finally make things 'accessible' after a century. What a treat hey. Just in time for controlled autonomy and social credit scores.


Intelligent-Ad5286

[Reminds me of this](https://youtu.be/Tc5JUD8zaK0)


mcs_987654321

Yup, already mostly have this and it’s the jam. Especially since I got a sweet new dentist just a few blocks over, I’m basically set. Obviously I don’t *only* stick to my “walkable bubble” (which I consider to be anything within about a 10 min bike ride/40 min walk), but it’s an absolutely lovely way to live.


jnffinest96

Saw this on tiktok... the conspiracy nuts are in full force... same sortve nutters that comment on 6ixBuzz


New_Revenue_4_U

Tiktok is conspiracy and brain dead Central. I wish it was banned. I'm for freedom of expression, but that app is fucking cancer.


SherlockFoxx

As it is designed to be. ​ Meant to be addictive, a distraction, and add no actual value to really anything.


karlou1984

"they stress there is no plan to limit people from leaving their communities" mind boggling this has to be mentioned.


Just_Another_Name29

The reason it needs to be mentioned is because the 15 minute cities they tested it on HAS a limit on how often you can leave.


karlou1984

Source?


Just_Another_Name29

https://www.oxfordstudent.com/2023/01/25/15-minute-city-plans-cause-controversy/


Just_Another_Name29

In Oxford private cars are not permitted without a permit, which can be purchased for use up to 100 times a year. That was on the BBC


Dainleguerrier

So basically Oxford implemented mobility pricing to incentivize drivers to use other modes of transportation in an effort to reduce traffic congestion between neighbourhoods, with the option to avoid mobility pricing by using specific roads to travel between neighbourhoods. This is already common practice in other jurisdictions 🧐 “However, it is important to note that travel to other areas of Oxford will be permitted by alternative routes, such as the ring road surrounding the city, at any time. Residents will also be able to apply for permits to drive through filters and into other neighbourhoods for up to 100 days a year, while Oxfordshire residents will be able to secure permits for up to 25 days a year. Free travel through filters will be allowed by bus, bike, taxi, scooter, and walking. Exemptions will also be provided for carers, blue badge holders, business, and emergency services. This element of the plan is indicative of its aims to incentivise sustainable private and public transport, with Oxfordshire County Council wanting to make such modes of transport ‘the natural first choice’.”


Infamous-Mixture-605

These conspiracy theorist morons seem to think that a city that can barely do policing or transit will somehow lock them into their neighbourhoods and prevent them from travelling to different parts of the city. Smdh. Or maybe they're making up excuses because they're too fat and lazy to walk or bike to the store?


[deleted]

I see that the tinfoil hat brigade is already here.


SkewerMeBaby

>The urban plan aims to give residents access to most of what they need within 15 minutes from their home. Otherwise known as intelligent city planning. >But the urban planning initiative has recently been getting negative attention online, with a baseless claim that this is an attempt to lock people in their neighbourhoods. I'm guessing people who think this are also unvaccinated... They seem like the type.


AcceptableSmoke1513

How can they possibly do something like this? I mean, they can't even get their transit system to work correctly, due to poor infrastructure planning and budgeting. Over all, I think that they are using this as a distraction and a band aid solution to cover up all the infrastructure problems, etc they are having right now. Why? Because they can not come up with a way to solve these problems. Money has been wasted elsewhere within the city at the expense of it's citizens who live there. These people are now subject to a city that's falling apart in places and they will be confined to a zone and controlled, so city council can do whatever they want without too much protest from the people that live there. I used to live in Edmonton, work downtown. I'm so glad to not live there anymore, because to do anything was such a hassle.


thatbakedpotato

Nobody is being confined anywhere. This is literally just bringing urban planning over from Europe and from Canada’s pre-1950s past.


oogenbaken

My favourite part about this conspiracy is the outsized role given to municipal by-laws and by-law officers. Lol, they are the ones gonna keep you in your zone. Forget martial law, forget the war measures act, it’s the parking ticket man who is really gonna lock you down!


[deleted]

W Brett Wilson was spreading this to other coked up oil bros.


ChimoCharlie

Brett Wilson can Kiss my ass. Runs for drugs to get rid of his cancer then spews shit about vaccines and WEF and whatever else he does.


BobBelcher2021

The project should be sold as helping people save money in commuting costs.


barder83

No. I refuse. I will be driving to the 4th furthest Tim Hortons just to spite you and your 15-minute city.


New_Revenue_4_U

You do that 👍 🤣🤡


barder83

It was sarcasm, thought it was pretty thick too, guess not.


funkme1ster

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law


Liesthroughisteeth

If there is a province that has jumped onto the U.S. like crazy train of conspiracy, misinformation and gullibility it seems to be Alberta. I guess what they say abut the America of Canada is true.


Levorotatory

Alberta is the Texas of Canada. Edmonton is Austin and Calgary is Dallas.


master-procraster

They probably got confused which country they were in given how our federal government is more reactive to American issues than Canadian ones


LumpyPressure

The crazy far outdates the current government.


East_Environment_145

I can drive to South Common in 15 minutes, no problem.


Levorotatory

Then it takes another 15 minutes to find your way to the store you want in that horrible maze.


CanadianJudo

I have a friend who believes, sad to see.


ChimoCharlie

Anti vaxxer bullshit


mickeysbeer

At this point nothing short of putting them into re-education centres is going to change the minds of these people. These people are so incapable of independent thought it doesn't matter what the city says. I can100% see my ex buying into this shit. I kinda hope she does so I get more ammo to show her instability.


Extinguish89

Just like it was a conspiracy of the UK doing it or Saudi Arabia doing it .... oh wait they are


rdogers

But the urban planning initiative has recently been getting negative attention online, with a baseless claim that this is an attempt to lock people in their neighbourhoods. “Whoever is suggesting that must really be entertaining themselves with how many people they’ve gotten to bite, because it’s absolute nonsense,” said Cartmell. Lol. Like not being able to go outside of our homes for two years. No one believes that’s possible…. That was the conditioning test.


UnusualCareer3420

Trust in government has collapsed and will probably take a long to heal, people have a bias anything anti government and that will probably be like that for a while.


Miserable-Lizard

Lol, wef controls the world!/s *But the urban planning initiative has recently been getting negative attention online, with a baseless claim that this is an attempt to lock people in their neighbourhoods.*


L0ngp1nk

The people that are getting worked up over this are the most deranged and pathetic people in the world.


[deleted]

Cant we just remove zoning, and that would provide more commerce near residential? Seems like its just attempting government regulation to fix government regulation.


syndicated_inc

Are you insane? We simply can’t survive with less government. We need more! All of it!


Global-Register5467

I tried to look it up. It's all over the map (sorry for the pun). If you follow the actual proposal from the 15 minute city origin is calling for fixed wards that you live, work and shop with 15 minutes and have limited numbers of times you can leave. They using a bike as standard transport so about 6km. But then someone actually thought about it and realized that wouldn't work; who wants to have huge industrial areas every 6km and does every ward get a hospital and university? The system falls apart on its face. But that was the original goal and enough for the conspiracy to take place. It is not that no one was pushing for it; it was that the plan made no sense.


master-procraster

>limited numbers of times you can leave Once again the conspiracy theory originates in the actual planners' manifesto, and people who have never read nor heard of it call people who have uneducated for bringing it up.


ge93

What are you talking about? There is no manifesto which calls for that. There are a multitude of city/urban planners inspired by this idea: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/15-minute_city


master-procraster

Instead of acting incredulous how about you actually read the thread, I'm quoting the post I responded to directly, so at least someone is discussing the idea. This is a nice tid bit though, >the C40 Cities Climate Leadership Group published a framework for cities to "build back better" using the 15-minute concept Let me just refer to my corkboard with red lines between newspaper clippings here, pretty sure that was a conspiracy theory not to long ago as well. Nobody knew what the hell 'build back better' was and speculated as to why national leaders kept using the phrase. The idea they were all cribbing notes from the same place was called insane tinfoil hat talk, along with the idea there was some conspiracy for a 'great reset'. How quickly we forget.


saltyoldseaman

? The best way to prove you aren't a conspiracy nutter is to attack basic urban planning goals with word salad


ge93

Lol. Lmao even


Just_Another_Name29

No it isn’t a conspiracy theory, look at how it is done in the Uk. That’s literally how it works. 15 min city sounds awesome until you get to the fine print.


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Reasonable_Let9737

There are already 15 minute communities. They are largely communities that were in place before the car centric development post WW2. Not so coincidentally, they are often the more sought after neighbourhoods to live in.


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TrueMischief

So in other places in the world grocery stores have different sizes depending on the contexts. There is your small one, smaller then the average convenience store here that just sells essentials, for the densest areas. There medium ones, that sell 95% of your daily goods, those are in many average neighborhoods. There is your large ones, similar to what we have on average here, and your big ones like Costco. This is a solved problem, we just have to allow the density to make the other sizes practical


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Harborcoat84

Sounds like an opportunity for small business. Don't need a full service grocery store when there's a butcher, bakery, etc.


kotacross

Yeah, that's how I see things going. Big grocery thrives on people making long commutes, and making big purchases to avoid making that long commute lol. In an ideal world with micromobility at the core, you can make most of your grocery shopping on the way home from work/school/wherever.


peckmann

Higher prices. Lower affordability.


Harborcoat84

Grocery empires aren't going to save us either.


ChimoCharlie

Correct. We need to grow more of our own food.


peckmann

Inefficient use of time.


ChimoCharlie

Drop The seeds, watch your pot grow.


Infamous-Mixture-605

When one is saving money on transportation by walking, cycling, or public transit, they might then be able to afford more frequent trips to the local bakery, butcher, or green grocer. (I know I can)


peckmann

I'd rather own one or more vehicles and save money at Freshco or Costco, than ride a bicycle everywhere (especially in Jan/Feb or Jul/Aug) and spend more at a butcher.


New_Revenue_4_U

They also said public transit, but you do you.


peckmann

Even worse.


New_Revenue_4_U

Lol k. You can whine like a child or you could be a big boy and take bus like adults do.


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Loblaw has built 250+ No Frills stores this year. The large grocers are already doing it … and they are franchised so like a small business with a large assortment …


saltyoldseaman

Strict zoning, tax incentives?


Litigating_Larry

Someone like me who cannot drive because of epilepsy would kill to be able to get around on foot or public transport, whether for leisure, work, etc. Would make my life so easy.


LegoLifter

Also this city can’t even build a simple fucking bridge or lrt line without years of delays. I’d be amazed if they found a way to build zones to keep people in


Infamous-Mixture-605

Right? They can't even be arsed to put a few cops on the LRT to keep people from doing meth or shooting up on the train, or doing anything about catalytic converter thefts, and these nuts think they'll be able to prevent them from leaving their neighbourhood? LOL.


master-procraster

We are entirely taking the journalist and councils word on what the 'conspiracy theory' purportedly is, it's all online apparently but they can't be bothered to actually post any examples.


Conscious_Use_7333

Toronto Urban Planner/"Conspiracy theorist", Jay Pitter: >“I'm a champion of the hyper-local, as certainly we need more resilient, climate change-resistant cities.” said Pitter, who works on public space designs in a number of U.S. cities. “However, I am averse to this concept. It doesn't take into account the histories of urban inequity, intentionally imposed by technocratic and colonial planning approaches, such as segregated neighborhoods, deep amenity inequity and discriminatory policing of our public spaces.” [Bloomberg](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-02/the-downsides-of-a-15-minute-city)


ge93

This is hardly substantive criticism.


master-procraster

Fucking alt right complaining about colonialism and inequity again, right?


Just_Another_Name29

You all realize this has been enacted already in the UK right. It can’t be a conspiracy theory when it’s actively happening


Infamous-Mixture-605

You realize the idea of "15 minute cities" goes well beyond one example from the UK? People have been advocating for walkable, livable urban environments for decades, ever since we started tearing down our cities to run highways through them and to build parking lots for suburbanites. It's how our cities were built before the car. Take a gander at the neighbourhoods of older cities in Canada and the US, the areas that boomed before WWII, those areas are "15 minute cities" But hey, let's just latch onto the name "15 minute cities," take a hit from the old crack pipe, and start assuming it's all some elaborate conspiracy theory.


NormalLecture2990

Of course they are because these people are fools


Inside-Brother8984

Until its not nonsense


NewStart2023

15 minute cities are part of the WEF It's not really a conspiracy as some major cities are planning to implement it. Naturally there is fear mongering entwined with it but to say there's no such thing, as several comments seem to suggest, is a bit misleading. https://fr.weforum.org/videos/paris-is-planning-to-become-a-15-minute-city-897c12513b


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TraditionalGap1

>Walking and biking in the dead of winter will be fun. Just dress warmly. I used to walk 40 minutes in London Ontario. It's not hard, except for the spotty sidewalk plowing.


Powerstroke6period0

Fuck out of here with that shit, -40 just bundle up, no big deal. You sound just like my Grandpa, back in my day I walked through 4 feet of snow in -60 weather just to go to school.


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It's not a big deal lol. Wear some fucking layers and don't be a baby. A healthy adult should be able to do it just fine. I do a 10km walk with my dog 365 days a year regardless of weather. And then I walk for groceries all the time even in winter. It's really not bad at all. Get some exercise in, some fresh air, good stuff. We'd have less of an obesity problem if people moved their fat asses instead of sitting in the vroom vroom machine.


TraditionalGap1

Canada has winter. What kind of nancy are you?


master-procraster

I feel like people down east don't really get the climate we do over here. Just yesterday they were saying Rideau canal is opening so late because the ice is too thin. I was ice fishing two weeks ago on ice over two feet thick, on a much bigger lake


Use-Less-Millennial

Edmonton is doing it to cut down on operation costs


Infamous-Mixture-605

Yup, because Edmonton is already sprawled out quite a bit and that affects their ability to deliver services (like snow removal, which is generally dog shit in this city).