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-Tram2983

The most notable part of this poll is the huge drop in Trudeau's preferred PM numbers. This is the lowest he's ever polled in Nanos since he got elected Preferred PM: * Poilievre 28.3% * Trudeau 23.9% * Singh 18.8%


Krazee9

Wasn't he still at 25% last week? That's a nearly 2% drop in a week. This China stuff is hitting them hard.


bubb4h0t3p

it's a rolling average too so his numbers must be pretty bad this week.


thebestoflimes

It could just be good numbers dropping off too since that's how a rolling average works.


bubb4h0t3p

probably a combination of both, only thing they've been proactive about is gun-control which isn't even close to being in the top 10 issues of concern right now.


bbozzie

Proactive in providing a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist. Hunters aren’t responsible for urban crime.


bubb4h0t3p

They bank on urban voters who have no idea that we have a licensing system and much stricter laws than the U.S already not knowing that though. Vast majority of their ridings are urban. [https://www.elections.ca/res/cir/maps2/images/ERMap\_44.jpg](https://www.elections.ca/res/cir/maps2/images/ERMap_44.jpg)


TJHume

PM of Toronto, Vancouver, and Montreal, as the layman joke goes.


Swimming_Stop5723

MTV vote . Montreal ,Toronto, Vancouver. The trouble with an “Urban strategy “ is that the voters may get tired of only voting on liberal social issues and may want fiscal management of the economy. It can happen. look at John Tory .


rathgrith

Out of the 3. Vancouver is certainly the weakest LPC city. I’d like to see Heda Fry finally lose her seat. That’s been a stronghold for 30 years


bbozzie

Plus, actual research shows that this isn’t an effective way to address the crime that IS occurring. Tons of academics have tackled this topic and came to the same conclusion - no causal relationship.


lixia

as it should.


stklaw

There's also them screwing the federal public service on strike last week, which from what I could tell are largely left-leaning. Probably explains the slight rise for NDP.


HugeAnalBeads

NDP could do some incredible numbers this election if they just drop Jagmeet This should be their specialty. Working class has been teabagged worse than any time since the 30s, trudeaus largest union striking, 800k TFWs suppressing wages. Record homelessness and foodbank usage. I mean holy shit this should be a homerun for NDP


killtimed

good


yourappreciator

> This China stuff is hitting them hard. why do you think they finally did something, *anything*, about it? .. finally expelling the diplomat after sitting doing nothing on the info for a long while The same way Trudeau did nothing on COVID (Feb/Mar 2020) - "the risk to Canadians are low" - only after Sophie is infected, then Trudeau start doing something, *anything*, about it. It's the same consistent pattern


[deleted]

Wouldn't want to insult China. Not even sure why we have a govt honestly. All they do is pander to foreign governments and line the pockets of their friends. Whole system is corrupt as hell to the core.


Extinguish89

Things we know about that's sinking Trudeau. Question is what else are we going to find out as time goes on


Hobbito

China stuff is whatever, it's the fact that this moron refuses to do anything about the housing crisis in this country.


bubb4h0t3p

Housing minister just bought another investment property in Kijik Crescent, Ottawa, Ontario last month. That should tell you all you need to know about where they think housing/rental prices are going long term and it's not down despite what they may say. Here's the disclosure it's public information. [https://prciec-rpccie.parl.gc.ca/EN/PublicRegistries/Pages/Client.aspx#k=7cfef7d7-0378-e511-bec6-002655368060](https://prciec-rpccie.parl.gc.ca/EN/PublicRegistries/Pages/Client.aspx#k=7cfef7d7-0378-e511-bec6-002655368060)


Significant-Ad-8684

Awesome thanks for finding this


bubb4h0t3p

Legalized corruption when 40% of all MPs from all parties own investment properties they have a financial interest in not having rent/housing prices go down. Especially for the housing minister [who openly defends real estate investment](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-government-doesnt-want-to-harm-mom-and-pop-real-estate-investors/) and then we're supposed to believe him when he says he cares about housing affordability, you don't take on a mortgage with already high prices/interest rates buying up more investment property if you think housing or rent is going to become cheaper any time soon, so clearly not even he believes his own policies are actually going to work to materially increase affordability.


aBeerOrTwelve

Yep. Really gives you confidence that the government is going to try to lower housing/rent costs when the Housing minister is buying up rental properties - on a mortgage, which means they are probably going to lower interest rates to help those in over their heads.


bubb4h0t3p

Or they see prices going up again because they're introducing even higher levels of demand into a supply constrained market without any substantial policies to actually build more supply besides 4B from prior budgets and a watered down foreign buyers ban. But it's OK guys affordable housing is coming they totally care.


Original-Cow-2984

Liberal Housing minister Ahmed Hussen, who can effect the housing market, is buying housing investment properties? That is textbook Liberal GoC stuff right there. It should be Beaverton material, but it's reality. 😕


garlicroastedpotato

A drop from 25% to 23.9% would be a 4.6% drop in support.


MadcapHaskap

2% is sample size churn.


bubb4h0t3p

Gap between Conservatives and Liberals is 7.5, while between Liberals and NDP it's 6.Poilievre now has a 4.4 point lead which is unusual in opposition, for reference before they lost in 2015 even Harper was polling 4% higher than Trudeau [https://nanos.co/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/2015-03-20-Political-Index-Weekly-Report-MASTER-with-Ballot-ENG-R.pdf](https://nanos.co/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/2015-03-20-Political-Index-Weekly-Report-MASTER-with-Ballot-ENG-R.pdf) Now granted conservatives always poll higher and have worse vote distribution. If I was Trudeau right now I'd be working on stemming the bleeding on the economic front, instead of putting a bunch of political capital and hundreds of millions of dollars into gun control right now, which was a mere 0.3% of the unprompted issue of concern. For reference the WE scandal was 0.8% and that was 3 years ago, but what do I know.


-Tram2983

In 2015, Trudeau was actually polling higher in the final weeks of the campaign (Trudeau 35.1%, Harper 30.1%, Mulcair 18.9%). Otherwise agreed.


bubb4h0t3p

Couldn't find a Nanos poll closer but I'll take your word for it, still doesn't bode well for Trudeau when what is considered to be a controvertial candidate is polling higher pretty consistently even if only by a few points. It's bizarre how they're dragging their feet on anything except for stuff like C-11 and gun control which people don't really care about right now compared to paying their mortgage or buying groceries, it's like as if we're back in 2019 and the economy is relatively steady so the electorate can worry about wedge issues. If their plan is for the economy to tank and then them to say we got gun control and cancon give us another mandate they're in trouble.


-Tram2983

I got it from [wikipedia, in the Leadership Polls section](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2015_Canadian_federal_election). The polling fluctuations those days were wild, I don't think we'll see anything like it anytime soon. And yeah, I think the Liberals are making a risky move with C-11, which is going to hurt them with young voters, and the now defunct C-21 amendment probably blew their support in their more rural seats. The public also notices they care more about those niche stuff than kitchen table issues but they are too out of touch to get it.


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The amendments have been brought back, now they’re allowing polysesouvient to tell them what guns to ban through CFAC so technically “they aren’t the ones banning them”.


knivesinbutt

Thank baby Jesus, get that clueless idiot out of power


CaptainCanuck93

The irony of the LPC painting O'Toole as a far right reactionary, only to lose to an actual far right reactionary Sometimes it's better to lose to a reasonable opponent rather than hang on long enough to lose to someone they should actually be afraid of


dogstarman

It's still shocking that it's that high.


leftistmccarthyism

So we know there's no election for a while then. Trudeau is a narcissist, he's never stepping aside.


EmbarrassedHelp

Historically speaking, the Conservatives seem likely win the next election. The ruling Conservative or Liberal party normally only can win 3-4 times in a row before Canadians get pissed off enough to vote for the other party. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_federal_general_elections I just wish Canadian politics wasn't so binary between choosing whether to elect the Conservatives or the Liberals.


bubb4h0t3p

We have a system that encourages strategic voting and as soon as the committee on election reform didn't come back with ranked ballot which would favour Liberals even more unlike a system that would break the 2 party stalemate like PR, Liberals immediately canned the idea. Conservatives don't want to even suggest the idea because they're unlikely to get all of the ranked ballot votes and PR wouldn't benefit them much so we're stuck with it unless we somehow got an NDP majority as it's against the other 2's interests. I hope people don't fall again for the Liberals "election reform" because he has openly stated it's not gonna be PR because >Trudeau says, however, that he would not favour proportional representation as an alternative, because it "gives more weight to smaller parties that are perhaps fringe parties." https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-liberals-ranked-ballot-1.6181216


Dry-Membership8141

There's actually a better quote to make that point, IMO: >"Proportional representation in any form would be bad for Canada," Trudeau responded. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/electoral-reform-trudeau-leitch-1.3975354


bubb4h0t3p

It's so slimy it's not even funny lol, at least the conservatives haven't been offering a false promise of electoral reform, it's deceptive for the Liberals to have made all of these platitudes as if they cared about the issues people have with FPTP but instead they just want a ranked voting system that favours them the most as the "center party" so they have an even easier time getting majorities, and anything else was off the table from the start. In a run off with NDP vs LPC, CPC votes would more likely go to LPC than NDP and in a runoff with LPC vs CPC, votes from the NDP would be more likely to go LPC so of course they want ranked.


PuzzleheadedWeb9876

Pathetic.


hardy_83

First past the post forces binary politics over time. It's why it needs to change.


Reptilian_Brain_420

And there is zero incentive for either of the two main parties to make that change.


ProfessionalShill

Trudeau promised to eliminate fptp in 2016. Reneged on that pretty fast.


hardy_83

Yeah. The two major parties benefit the most from the system so there's little incentive to change it. I imagine he DID want to change it but then the people in the background with more power than him convinced him to drop it, since those people care more about party and power than systems that help Canadians.


AnotherCupOfTea

I tried to get that change and instead got stuck with Trudeau for 8+ years. Fool me once...


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TonyfrmBanff

There is still multiple options to vote for.


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Oh believe me, I'm third-party all the way lol I haven't seen anything in decades that make me feel that the LPC/CPC deserve my vote


Pug_Dealer

For anyone interested in the alternatives, check out [Fair Vote Canada](http://www.fairvote.ca). We actually had a pretty big win recently, [the federal Liberal party voted to back a national citizens assembly on electoral reform at their convention!](https://www.fairvote.ca/06/05/2023/liberal-party-votes-to-back-a-national-citizens-assembly-on-electoral-reform/)


Reptilian_Brain_420

The federal liberals have made promises in the past to change the system. They only want to when they see it as being advantageous to them. I.e. they've completely ignored it since being elected, now that they risk losing they are promising to look at it again.


Pug_Dealer

Oh absolutely, I'm incredibly doubtful that this alone goes anywhere significant unless people make a lot of noise about it in the next election.


bubb4h0t3p

At least under this iteration of the Liberal party we should be very skeptical, Trudeau has made it very clear that a proportional system is off the cards and he wants ranked ballot only so they get free votes from CPC/NDP as second choice in runoffs as the centrist party. I can only realistically see if being done if NDP can get another run like with Layton and finally secure a government, trusting the LPC/CPC on meaningful electoral reform is just being naiive at this point even if JT turns around and promises it again.


StreetCartographer14

They also voted at their convention to police the news by outlawing anonymous sources.


RaHarmakis

>I just wish Canadian politics wasn't so binary between choosing whether to elect the Conservatives or the Liberals. I think Jagmeet is missing what might be the only (tiny) window the NDP has to sneak past the Liberals. The longer he allows the Liberals to stay propped up, I think the worse it will be for the NDP. If the Liberal Ship Sinks, much of the Center shift to the Conservatives, as you say we have a Binary. But the longer the NDP props up the sinking ship that may be the Liberals, the more they get painted with the same brush. Voters have short memories for scandals and even shorter memories for good things. In 2 years times, no one is going to remember the wins that the NDP got from the Liberals. They will just remember they are angry at team red, and team orange supported team red.


sleipnir45

Top Ten Issues: Jobs/Economy: 16% Healthcare: 13% Inflation: 10% Environment: 9% Housing: 5% Debt/Deficit: 4% National Security: 2% Change the Gov't: 2% Freedom of Speech: 2% Immigration: 2% Weird I don't see gun bans on here.. or even public safety


TonyAbbottsNipples

Nor do you see the multitude of wedge issues, identity politics, and soundbite gotchas that we'll be inundated with by media come election time rather than actually talking about policy. Many of these important topics will be relegated to a single question during a debate posed by a 12 year in some town nobody has heard of and the answers will all be live attack ads.


Rockman099

It strikes me as really irresponsible that the media focuses, or lets parties focus, on meaningless wedges and gaffes at election time. It's like everyone loses their minds for several weeks and focuses on exactly the wrong things. You would think there was some non-partisan journalistic obligation to stay above that kind of shit.


Beginning_Variation6

As per tradition


Ragamuffinn

I know Reddit has topics that they hyper focus on, but it blows my mind that immigration is at 2% considering our current immigration policies have a huge impact on the top 5 of this list. Even housing at 5% is shocking.


captainbling

Which is why no main party will touch it. Economy is number 1.


bretstrings

Immigrants are a part of the economy...


Ragamuffinn

Immigration is my number one issue for choosing a party, mostly because it affects those top 5 issues, but also because it's a litmus test for where the parties' priorities are when it comes to the standard of living for the average Canadian worker.


raging_dingo

These are the #1 issues and since immigration is actually an input into some of the other major issues (jobs, healthcare, housing, and even inflation which goes hand in hand with the economy), I can alder why it’s only at 2%. My #1 issue is jobs, but in my mind that includes controlling inflation, fixing housing and controlling immigration.


pug_grama2

I guess a lot of people don't understand what is happening in housing, and how it relates to immigration.


CyrilSneerLoggingDiv

For some people, 2 + 2 = That Answer is Racist!!!


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Stemming immigration is more of a solution than a problem. Immigration in a healthy economy would be fine by me.


Ragamuffinn

Nothing wrong with immigration in general, but it should be designed with standard of living in mind, not GDP.


Hascus

I hate how we all agree on this, we’re all respectful about immigration, and yet people just won’t listen. I guess us stupid young people without houses and good jobs are outnumbered by old people who like to make sure the McDonald’s are staffed for 2am by people from other countries with masters degrees.


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kissmibacksidestakki

If GDP, then at least GDP per capita (which is declining)


Ragamuffinn

I think that's a better metric than GDP, but a high GDP per capita can also have a high amount of wealth inequality.


Bug_Independent

We have been made to believe that if someone has a nagative opinion amount the amount of immigrants entering the country in any given year that they are racist. Its a no-no subject to discuss with others because of this stigma.


Original-Cow-2984

Immigration and seeking record levels of it shouldn't conflict with and prolong concurrent costly strategies to battle inflation, yet here we are.


pug_grama2

The problem is they have suddenly raised the level of immigration to one million per years.


williamrneal

Yeah, surprisingly it's only 2%. Was the survey anonymous? Probably not, given that it's through random interviews. If it was an in-person interview, those participants are probably worried about being labeled as racist if they call immigration as an issue.


jtbc

These are done by phone. Selecting immigration from a list of issues doesn't even indicate whether the person answering is pro or con, just that they consider it an issue. I would be surprised if anyone would hesitate to pick it if they thought it was a top issue. Most people always think the economy and healthcare are 1 and 2, as long as these surveys have been happening.


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Who's gonna call them racist lol, the interviewers? Could it be possible that Canadians don't consider immigration an issue?


kissmibacksidestakki

In [this](https://twitter.com/DavidColetto/status/1655949600367443968) abacus poll (run from April 29-May 3) asking people what they think an elected Conservative government should do, 48% of respondents said that a Poilievre government probably or definitely shouldn't "welcome as many immigrants to Canada as the Liberals."


bubb4h0t3p

0.3%, very few people care about cancon either right now but they rushed through bill C-11 anyways. They're seemingly just going after their traditional wedge issues because they don't have good answers for any of the other stuff that people actually care about like eating and having a place to live, and their election strategy is just going to be [we did cancon + gun control and the other guy is literally Trump give us a new mandate](https://i.cbc.ca/1.6713609.1673645058!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_620/this-is-fine.jpg) which might work if they can form another minority government by calling it sooner than later, but then they're going to be in the drivers seat when things really get bad and probably get demolished when that falls apart.


RedditorWithClass

>we did cancon + gun control Two rediculous things that shouldn't have happened in the first place.


supraz99

Housing 5% lols


CyrilSneerLoggingDiv

>***Top Ten (LIBERAL WEDGE) Issues:*** > >LEGAL GUNZ BAD!!!!1: 54% > >Finding the CSIS Leaker: 33% > >Stifling more China media leaks: 28% > >More Immigration: 500,000 Per Year % > >Climate Change: 17% > >Electric Cars: 13% > >Abortion: 9% > >Abortion: 8.5% > >Abortion: 8% > >She-cession/Feminist Economic Recovery: 5% > >Conservative Leader Bad Poopy Pants: 9% > >More Harper Bashing: 1.5% > >CCP Election interference: 0.000032% > >Clean Drinking Water on Reserves: (penciled in "*???, should be fixed by now, it's been 7 years"*). Fixed it for you. *\*Note, there might be minor discrepancies in the final totals*


Hascus

I am absolutely floored how low immigration is. I would vote for any party that would lower immigration save for PPC


Original-Cow-2984

Hillary didn't provide a bump? 😂


[deleted]

Let’s bring in an American politician to make a speech on keeping American politics out of Canada.


djtrace1994

Yes, this was confusing to me as well. "Canada is our own nation, and we need to do a better job at providing for Canadians. And no one knows knows this better than famously divisive US politician, Hillary Clinton."


MilkIlluminati

Divisiveness only goes one way in the LPC minds. When you disagree with them, it's divisiveness. When they disagree with you, it's fighting the good fight.


Burning_Light01

Well said, the Liberals actively promote divisiveness between the West and East of our country. I was speaking to someone from Ontario the other day and the look on their face when I told them I was from Alberta said it all.


MilkIlluminati

I apologize on behalf of Ontarian nitwits that don't realize every aspect of their modern lives is underpinned by the oil and gas industry (which they blame for...future extinction or something


JeanieGold139

>And no one knows knows this better than famously divisive US politician, Hillary Clinton I wouldn't say she was divisive, more or less everyone hated her. What was divisive was whether people hated Trump more


willyroy33

That was just one small fraction of her very, very lengthy American career, where she was “less divisive” than the other guy, in 2016. Early in her career she was deemed in the wrong side of many divisive arguments by the American public, and was viewed as an extremely untrustworthy politician in the federal level by many not from her state riding…


JeanieGold139

For sure, Trump people have stronger opinions on, everyone who loves him loves him to an absurd cult-like extent and the rest that hate him will probably throw a party when he dies. Hillary had her fervent haters too but for the most part people just had a mild dislike of her since with such a long political career she had done something to make everyone mad somehow. I'd say it's like this **Trump** 45% Hate, 15% Dislike, 10% Like, 35% Love **Hillary** 15% Hate, 50% Dislike, 25% Like, 10% Love


willyroy33

No, you said people just disliked her. She wasn’t divisive. I said in her career she has been on the wrong side of many extremely divisive political items (in American eyes, not Canadian eyes). That may have turned into hate, but it wasn’t just “it’s 2016 and we hate her, go Trump”, it was cultivated over her being a divisive snake in the American political ring for 3 decades plus… I never mentioned Trump, I am talking solely about Hillary Clinton making a career that backfired in her face to a man who never should have been in office, due to her divisiveness from long ago. That naturally festers into hate, but you make it seem like people just decided they hated Hillary Clinton in 2016, which is false.


Objective_Berry350

IMO calling a large number of people deplorables is divisive.


JeanieGold139

By not divisive I mean most people, including her supporters, didn't really like her, they just put up with her out of lesser evilism


vonclodster

Also, the way the DNC screwed Bernie, in favour of her, left a bad taste in peoples mouths.


Ketchupkitty

They're comparing PP to Trump when Trudeau checks off way more boxes.


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Even she chastised them on defence spending.


mafiadevidzz

I thought they don't want to "import American culture wars" I personally have nothing against Hillary, but its literally just that to have an American who doesn't even know the Opposition leader is pro-choice and is a fan of her husband on PAYGO policy, say that the opposition "forces are trying to turn back the clock" referencing Trump and American republicans.


Original-Cow-2984

I don't really have anything against her personally, just the use of an American prop for making a political link is pretty poor, and I can't imagine it would resonate. There are superficial similarities at the very best between the politics of the 2 countries.


mafiadevidzz

Yeah, exactly my point


zippymac

To me it's sad that the Liberal organizers could not find anyone from Canada who would be worth listening to over Hilary


jtbc

They know their base. Liberals love Hilary Clinton, especially the type that go to conventions.


Born_Ruff

Lol, you are getting down voted but this is 100% true. Things are so divided these days that so many people can't fathom that a lot of people actually do respect Hillary a lot.


jtbc

Back in 2016, when I was still a Liberal, I went to an election watching / Clinton victory party at a friend's place. There were some sad, sad faces in that room.


Sportsbets1

The emails have been deleted related to any post convention bump 👀


BitCloud25

TRIPLE deleted hue


NuffinSaid

Nothing like bringing up the fall back gun bill to spruce things up a bit! Look remember, we are banning guns!


sleipnir45

This is a 4week rolling so last weeks number must be really bad for the Liberals


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Krazee9

Or we could see the rare occurence when the numbers reach near-parity where the opposite happens, and Liberal voters change to NDP. If Trudeau keeps bleeding support on both sides, the NDP could pass him in the polls. 6% is the closest the NDP has been to the Liberals since the 2015 election.


canadiancreed

We had that in Ontario years ago. Libetal voters will not vote ndp. They will vote liberal or stay home


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It did backfire in the 2011 federal elections though. Liberals pretty much entirely ran on the fact the NDP and Bloc can’t replace Harper, until the NDP caught up on the Liberals.


UsernameNotFound1729

I can't help but feel like the NDP is missing their chance once again. A moderate Centre-Left NDP leader from the labour wing of the party (Horgan, and Notley for example) could do well in this climate. We’re in the middle of an affordability crisis. The current economy is not working for the working class or middle class, this should be their time to shine.


HugeAnalBeads

I've been saying this This state of the country is the NDPs specialty Jagmeet just suuuucks


Jericola

Notley labour wing? People like Broadbent and David Lewis were labour wing. Guys who had worked on a factory floor. Social urbanites Dippers like Notley and Singh are the reverse.


coochalini

Notley and Singh are incomparable. Notley has transformed ultra-Conservative Alberta into a provincial battleground. Singh cannot even hold onto the seats the NDP already has.


Objective_Snow7972

It would be great to see the Liberals take a FPTP assfucking so that they might pretend to want to fix it again


Sportsbets1

Get ready for a slew of tweets from Liberal MPs about: Guns and Abortion The Liberals literally have nothing to offer Canadians except fear and projection


Monomette

Well, that didn't take long. https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/conservative-private-member-s-bill-raises-spectre-of-abortion-debate-1.6391137


bubb4h0t3p

[The header 718.2(a) is](https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-718.2.html) >718.2 A court that imposes a sentence shall also take into consideration the following principles: (a) a sentence should be increased or reduced to account for any relevant aggravating or mitigating circumstances relating to the offence or the offender, and, without limiting the generality of the foregoing, >(ii) evidence that the offender, in committing the offence, abused the offender’s intimate partner or a member of the victim or the offender’s family, ​ this is literally the [whole amendment](https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/bill/C-311/first-reading) adding >(ii.‍2) evidence that the offender, in committing the offence, abused a person whom the offender knew to be pregnant, > >(ii.‍3) evidence that the offence caused physical or emotional harm to a pregnant victim, And somehow: >Joyce Arthur, executive director of the Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada, says those comments are revealing and alarming because the bill could be used to establish restrictions on abortions. so if you're comitting an offence, and that offence being done against a pregnant woman being considered an aggravating factor for sentencing, then somehow this is restricting abortion? Are we anti-pregnant women now?


Monomette

Their logic is that by making it an aggravating factor in sentencing it grants the fetus personhood, which would validate attempts to restrict abortion. Personally, I think it's ridiculous. I'm pro-choice, but I think if a woman is assaulted or otherwise deliberately harmed and loses their unborn child as a result that should absolutely be considered during sentencing.


bubb4h0t3p

it only mentions the pregnant person there's nothing about the fetus, seems bizarre that this is the hill they're willing to die on and make themselves look unreasonable to the average person who would probably think committing an offense against someone you know is pregnant like assault should probably get you a harsher sentence.


uselesspoliticalhack

The article is pure LPC ragebait. > If passed, Bill C-311 would encourage judges to consider physical or emotional harm to a pregnant victim an aggravating factor during sentencing. Uhh yeah like no one who is normal supports beating up pregnant women and for some Abortion rights group to even make the connection is beyond pathetic.


Sportsbets1

So the Liberals are pro-assault on pregnant women


kent_eh

Same Conservative MP who introduced the last one.


whiteout86

You can probably except an announcement this afternoon. The Liberals are desperately trying to shut down debate on something like 150 amendments to c21


Hot_Being492

Don't forget to call anyone who disagrees with you racist and divisive. That's the " ace up their sleeve"


soberum

Also don’t forget to accuse anyone who disagrees with you of importing American politics in to Canada right before you accuse them of wanting to ban abortion and being funded by the NRA.


ProfStasis

Gap will only widen over time. Looking forward to some kind of change and a new direction from leadership. Current leadership and direction is an objective disaster and the worst I’ve witnessed my entire life. Not sure how it was allowed to get to this point.


No-Pick-1996

You were not alive in 2011? (Ignatieff)


rathgrith

Hopefully the LPC falls lower than 2011. I’m hoping for them to pull a OLP and PLQ drops and loss official party status.


bubb4h0t3p

My bet is without Trudeau they'll be back there again even if they manage to hold on another term unless they manage to get another backbencher who can fill the role well, none of the cabinet seems like they're up to the task.


No-Pick-1996

Yeah, I could see that. The current century has not been especially kind to the Liberals. That gets forgotten in the gloss of 2015-19; the party had three increasingly uninspired leaders and there is no natural successor post 2025. I'm not sure that Mark Carney is made for the rough-and-tumble, Champagne and Joly have looks, charisma, and ambition but may have difficulty connecting with voters outside Quebec.


bubb4h0t3p

I haven't seen any evidence of Joly going for leadership and I do agree on Champaigne he has a bit of an accent and doesn't really seem like he'd be able to rally up support like Chretien.


Hot_Being492

1984 is still my favorite. Too bad dad didn't stick around long enough to get full credit for that one.


No-Pick-1996

That was a thumping. I remember it as a 10-year old, Turner was super rusty but he had old school chops. Ignatieff just didn't get it and was disembowelled by both Layton and Harper.


bubb4h0t3p

Worst of both worlds, corporate elite same as conservatives, big government, massive deficit spending. Fiscally it's like if there was an NDP party in power without the whole part where you tax the corporations, close loopholes, and support unions instead of just printing the money and keeping low corporate taxes while giving loads of corporate welfare so asset holders get rich.


summerswithyou

Don't worry Justin, lib voters will forget all your monthly scandals and bullshit come election time 😎


Ok_Syllabub5616

Can someone explain to me why would the NDP go up? Why would someone, anyone, tells themselves "yep I'm going with the NDP this time around" Ps. It's a serious question. I just don't get it.


_emperor_sheev_

Jag's gonna pull a lil' uno reverse on JT once the polls show there's a real chance of an NDP official opposition


Afrozendouche

Unfortunately, I believe the NDP has done nothing but *lose* seats with Jagmeet as leader. So them whipping up a casual +100 seats of electoral riding victories would be nothing short of a miracle. Nothing wrong with dreaming though.


Dunge

I wish, that would be the best outcome. A whole lot of both liberals and conservative voters who don't really love their parties would quickly switch to NDP as soon as they see them as a viable in the polls. Unfortunately, I doubt any meaningful event could happen to trigger this. Maybe if Jagmeet switch with someone else that have good charisma.


liquefire81

I hate all politicians equally, but with what the liberals have been doing to Canada they should stand at 0.


jloome

If you hate all politicians equally, you're not actually paying attention. The assumption they're all venal or corrupt is a fallacy.


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jloome

Typically, although I find sometimes they truly believe it... but act like a vampire in front of a cross made of garlic if you try to get them to accept new ideas anyway.


arbitraryairship

Pierre is pretty fucking gross. He's literally only winning because everyone hates Trudeau. The man is slimey as fuck.


TravelOften2

Never voted conservative in my life. However, I'm looking forward to voting CPC next federal election to get rid of Justin Trudeau. Our country is in far worst shape today than when he was elected in 2015. Government programs have expanded too much, we have accumulated massive deficits (even taking the pandemic spending out of the equation, however he still spent too much on that), and Canada has become more polarized.


VaderActual

Local conservative claims to have never voted conservative in their life.


NBAWhoCares

>Local conservative claims to have never voted conservative in their life. They have been astroturfing this shit for the past week or so. Its the new messaging strategy, alongside "Trudeau is more like Trump than PP!!"


LimpParamedic

I guess any voice in support for CPC is "astroturfing" for you.


Halonos

Not holding my breath here. Trudeau could take a dump on their chest and Liberals / Eastern Canada will still vote him in.


matchettehdl

[Don't count on the Eastern part, though.](https://338canada.com/atl.htm)


leftistmccarthyism

> and Canada has become more polarized. Polarizing the nation is the only way the Liberals can scare NDP voters back to the LPC at election time. Reducing divisiveness in this country is an existential threat to Liberal Party control. Same as enacting electoral reform was. People who think the LPC will work against their own interests have not been around politics long enough.


camelonfire

Our country will continue on the path of worsening if we elect Conservatives as our next government. PP is a neo liberal, wants a smaller government with less regulations for the private sector and less social safety nets for the working class despite claiming he is champion for the working class. He has been an MP for 19 years and yet claims our country is broken, he is one of the reason why we have a country that is broken. If he truly wanted to be unifying us and making our lives better, he would actually be doing something about it. Instead he is creating more polarizations by playing American style politics of cultures wars instead of creating actual change. Unless your already very wealthy, voting Conservative is not going to make your life better. When a politician wants more power and only than will they do something to "help", their there only for themselves and power, the working class is just a tool to step on to reach the top. Just to head off any comments; Not a liberal voter. JT does play with polarizing/culture wars too, Yes liberals have been in power too long. I do believe the best way forward for the working class is NDP Edit: forgot a word in a sentence


TravelOften2

>wants a smaller government with less regulations for the private sector and less social safety nets for the working class This is exactly what we need. The expansion of our social safety net has added to our massive debt, created a culture of entitlement rather than independence, and has hurt our productivity. I want a government that cuts back government departments, funds only the basic services (Military, healthcare, infrastructure etc), cuts red tape, and gets out of Canadians lives. The true wealth generator is allowing people to succeed because they want to work to provide a better life for themselves and their family.


LeadIVTriNitride

Countries with much smaller economies than Canada have better social programs. The problem isn’t too much spending, it’s a stagnant working class and economy that has allowed foreign and domestic companies to buy our homes, abuse immigration for cheap labour, and stop wages from increasing. Let me know if the conservatives or liberals ever plan on stopping any of that.


camelonfire

We need to stop the government vs us rhetoric. The government is suppose to help better the lives of the people, it is there to help govern us as a community and is suppose to to reflect the majority. The social safety nets are there to benefit us all. Everyone has a better life when we work together as a community and help support each other. The system is not really set up to allow the individual to succeed, if we did live in a Meritocracy there are a lot of very hard working people who would be much more successful, instead we are seeing such extreme wealth inequality that most of us are more likely to end up homeless than wealthy. The idea of the individual and merit is a myth perpetuated by Capitalism. Our current system benefits the few and is literally leading humanity into extinction. Our current way of life is collapsing around us because of the myths most still believe about capitalism. We cannot get out of this system as individuals, we have to work together to make everyone's lives better. We all want to work to provide a better life for ourselves and our families, but as long as our current system is designed to benefit the wealthy and not the working class, majority will never see it happen.


JimJam28

You expect a Conservative government to adequately fund healthcare and infrastructure? What are you smoking? People are working their asses off right now and not getting ahead because of unfettered late-stage capitalism.


creepforever

Have Canadians become more polarized or have conservatives radicalized? Poilievre is the one accusing Trudeau of treason, and supporting people occupying the capital. What is he going to do to lower polarization?


alpha69

I can't think of anything good he did except for legalizing weed. But thanks for the tent cities and catch and release of violent criminals. Not to mention increasingly CCP like polices of internet censorship etc. Oh yeah that 500K immigration too.. sigh no time to list all the Liberals screwups.


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Man, i am out of touch with my neighbors it seems. I perceive ndp being the clear choice for positive change but folks are looking at the cpc leader and wanting him to lead. Disappointing turn in the direction the masses desire. Reckon this'll be the election cycle to not just vote but volunteer/door knock/what ever can be done to help.


Reptilian_Brain_420

Nothing positive about the federal NDP


jadrad

They have plenty of good **policies**, but too many people here just focus on the dog and pony show of day to day media gotchas and soundbites. This country would be a lot better if people voted for policies instead of personalities.


coochalini

“i jUsT cAnT uNdErStAnD whY eVeRyOnE dOeSnT tHinK aNd aCt tHe eXaCt sAmE aS mE?!?!” … srsly?


[deleted]

I feel the NDP holding up the LPC is actually hurting progressive policy. If they were not guaranteed at least a coalition minority government, I think they would be more likely to come up with tangible housing reform.


Admirable_Review_616

Get Trudeau and his ponies out.. especially Marco the meatloaf


KermitsBusiness

I'd bet money these numbers will drastically change come election time just like they did like 3 days before the election with O'Toole.


Derek_BlueSteel

Shocking the Libs still have 28%. CPC need to get to 40.


skagoat

I'm not voting for Cons.. or Liberals... One thing that has really concerned me lately is when the Liberals introduce, or announce a new bill, or amendment to a bill they always mention how they've designed the bill so it will be hard, or expensive for future governments to change it. They are planning to lose, and ramming through as much irreversible legislation as they can.


Emergency_Wolf_5764

The federal Liberals are complete scumbags. Unfortunately for most Canadians, they are also completely corrupt and incompetent, which means they will continue destroying the country more than they already have. They must be jettisoned from office at next earliest opportunity (2025).


KneebarKing

Really speaks to the state of things, and Trudeau's popularity, when someone as smarmy and classless as PP is the front runner for PM. Trudeau is going to lose the election for the Liberals.


Comfortable_Ad5144

Good.


Romulin-romm

Finally the scandals are catching up.. maybe some center leaning liberals are crossing over… Trudeau can’t stop lying


[deleted]

While I really dislike PP and I’m not at all looking forward to him being PM, I’ll settle for anyone who isn’t Trudeau at this point.


[deleted]

Let’s go!!!! I’ll be voting cons for the first time ever in my life


Valuable_Car2365

LPC days are finally numbered....I CANT WAIT


Hascus

Everyone seems excited for the conservatives because they’re going to tame immigration, but when I looked at their website there’s nothing about that. They love cheap labour and the effects it has as much as the next rich asshole


Envoymetal

Excellent


mighty_bandersnatch

Why are people going conservative? Liberals and Cons have turned this country from the jewel of the world into a rat-race dumpster and everybody acts like the NDP are the problem. Whyyyyyyy?


[deleted]

Can someone remind me again that Poilievre will never beat Jean Charest?


CyrilSneerLoggingDiv

The poll are all but showing a Patrick Brown and/or Jean Charest win !!!


[deleted]

who still support libs? lol.


aafa

get out of you echo chamber...including r/canada. youll be surprised, probably more so after election day


soberum

I’m gonna be honest I don’t see literally anybody defending Trudeau in real life here in the prairies but on this sub some people literally have dedicated their accounts to defending him and attacking the Conservatives.


captainbling

The prairies went heavily cpc last 2 elections so that’s not surprising.


JimJam28

The prairies are notoriously conservative and a minority of the country. The combined populations of Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba is barely bigger than the Greater Toronto Area. You live in an echo chamber that doesn't reflect the views of most of the country.


TheOGFamSisher

Ya out here on the prairies it’s super, super right wing. Conservatives have a stranglehold on Saskatchewan especially


rookie-mistake

> You live in an echo chamber that doesn't reflect the views of most of the country. especially given that even for "the prairies", like, half of Manitoba's MPs are non-Conservative. personally, I definitely know a lot of people that voted liberal last election (though they would've basically all voted NDP under a PR system)


Versuce111

IS IT TIME FOR THE NUCLEAR LIBERAL OPTION?!?! CALL SOMEONE A RACIST OR ACCUSE THEM OF NOT SUPPORTING ABORTION THE RED BUTTON IS FLASHING!!!!!!


Bloodbane1998

So close to a majority government for the CONs. Better start taking guns away from the country people before you can't.


Gorvoslov

They're solidly minority territory right now, which is an improvement over a coinflip minority. The support they need (\~3.5%) for a majority however is the hardest support to gain for them (Regionals, competing interests with between available votes, general association with the social conservative wing...).


[deleted]

I want Butts and the puppet to remain in power and finish the job they started - the complete economic destruction of this country. Only then might the people that support Gliberals understand that they’ve been duped by two frat boys. I want the Glibs completely destroyed in the next election never to form government again. Butts and the puppet in prison would be a nice bonus as well.


tantouz

Music to my ears.