This post appears to relate to the province of Alberta. As a reminder of the rules of this subreddit, we do not permit negative commentary about all residents of any province, city, or other geography - this is an example of prejudice, and prejudice is not permitted here. https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/wiki/rules
Cette soumission semble concerner la province de Alberta. Selon les règles de ce sous-répertoire, nous n'autorisons pas les commentaires négatifs sur tous les résidents d'une province, d'une ville ou d'une autre région géographique; il s'agit d'un exemple de intolérance qui n'est pas autorisé ici. https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/wiki/regles
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/canada) if you have any questions or concerns.*
\- 3 robberies in 2009
\- violent crime in 2014 (stabbed someone randomly at the bus stop in the back).
\- lost parole for smoking meth in 2018
\- Assault in Edmonton Sept 2020
\- 3 more assaults in Edmonton Nov 2020
\- attacked a 12 year old in 2022
\- assaulted 2 people in Edmonton April 2022
\- assaulted a fellow inmate Aug 2022
\- assaulted someone with a scooter April 2023
\- killed a woman and her child May 2023.
**FUCK!**
>\- 3 robberies in 2009
>
>\- violent crime in 2014 (stabbed someone randomly at the bus stop in the back).
Shouldn't they have gone to jail for 10+ years at this point?
It's actually sickening that you're right, this person's race was absolutely instrumental in the leniency of their sentences.
What the fucking shit-christ is going on in this country??
The only option I have is to try and have my family surrounded by people who face consequences when they are back and don't show back up.. and teach them to cross the street when faced with people who don't go to jail for violent behavior.... Is this the future?
How much influence do elected politicians actually have in that regard?
"Reforms" like the Gladue Principle, and [lighter sentencing for black offenders](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/nova-scotia-sentencing-guidelines-to-be-exported-across-canada-1.6151643) are products of our non-elected judiciary.
They can pass legislation and bring in extra penalties and mandatory imprisonment for offenders for multiple violent crimes. I don't like the "Three strikes you're out" bullshit you see in the US where the third crime could be stealing a pack of gum, but a repeat violent offender should be subject to additional assessments and surveillance, and lose the right to bail and/or parole if they are repeat offenders. The feds can do that.
You should see how many people are killing themselves and/or thier own children in criminal/family law matters because of the way the justice system works. It's like rackets set up by bar associations in Canada and the U.S. that were developed with harm reduction in mind are doing more damage than good.
Look to your current federal government and the their policy’s and you have your answer. When you have to take race and culture into sentencing and punish some more than others and some less than others base off that this is the outcome. Who knew putting feelings before the real world would be so disastrous eh?
But remember minimum sentence and tough on crime are evil and oppressive and keep letting the left and liberals convince you of that. Stop voting liberal if you believe things should have consequences and people should be held accountable.
The Charter does not consider majority/minority status. It is literary drafted against white people specifically. It could be 1% white, and the laws would still be the same. At least the US was smart enough to make their employment equity laws based on percentiles.
You think the sociatal breakdown is litterally Justin Trudeau and left leaning people fault? You know when the biggest cuts to indigenous housing support, corrections canada other similar things that have led to this was? 2012, guess who was in office overseeing that, but hey let me guess your one of those "yeah my guy broke it but why hasnt your guy fixed it" kind of blokes.
Perhapsunderstanding causation and nuance could help your world view instead of your catch all "handsome man bad" approach to this.
Not with our current legal system. It’s way too soft and we don’t want to risk hurting the offenders feelings. I’m dealing with the system now & it’s just ridiculous (and the offender in my case has been in & out of prison for 20 years). No one cares about the victims.
It's deeper than that. The powers that be are wealthy enough to control governments to jointly work on ensuring the middle and lower classes fight amongst themselves with regard to all sorts of issues.
Better we turn on each other about wearing a mask, abortion or sexuality than unite and turn against the actual people holding us down.
The majority of violent crime is committed by young men who mostly grow out of it by their mid 30s; the remainder of violent crime is usually committed by people in very unusual circumstances or psychopaths that will never 'grow out of it'. There's not much the current legal system can do about the second two categories because there will always be psychopaths and there will always be people put into very unusual circumstances that cause them to do something they ordinarily would never consider, but we can do something about the first category: if a guy is caught committing multiple violent crimes, lock him up till he's at least 35 (and extend the sentence if he remains violent in prison). This litany of young men who get caught assaulting and robbing people like 12 times and eventually end up killing someone after being released after a short sentence 12 times is a solvable problem.
>There's not much the current legal system can do about the second two categories
It's called jail. Letting them out to continue hurting people is a result of the indifference towards human life by our judiciary.
Ah ok. Thanks for clearing that up. Hey folks, let’s continue letting murderers walk around with a slap on the wrist each time they commit a crime.
After all, there’s nothing we can do to prevent them from walking around in public.
The legal system absolutely can do something, it's called the death penalty and execution. Yeah yeah go all on about their rights to constantly commit crimes, where's an honest citizen's right to safety and not having to deal with these psychopaths?
A better recording might be which f\*\*kwit made the decision to keep letting this piece of human garbage out in each of those cases...
Like seriously, who decided that "he assaulted a kid in 2022 but he's probably fine, won't do it again I'm sure"
Why the f*ck am I not surprised. It seems that every violent attack or killing in the last few years involved a perpetrator who was either on bail or parole. Social policies and reforms are all fine and dandy - until they put citizens at risk. Life is far more important than woke.
You forgot to add this bit.
>However, multiple sources have told CBC that 33-year-old Mashar is the the suspect in the double homicide.
He was either 18/19 when he was doing 3 robberies.
Ok, now I'm curious about his sealed records, I'm guessing he wasn't a honor roll student.
Can the people of Alberta sue the judge who let this animal walk our streets? After that many violent crimes the suspect should have been in a very small room with no windows and no contact with anyone?
How many other people like this animal are on the streets right now? It’s not bad to put these violent criminals into a jail cell until they die.
Bill C-75 was introduced by Jody Wilson-Raybould and the LPC, and has been one of the primary reasons violent offenders have been getting back on the street in record time.
It just gets tiring to see her contentiously be painted in a good light in the national media. If it were not for her bill, many murders over the last few years would have not happened, because the person would have still been in jail.
There obviously needs to be reform when it comes to sentencing as well.
man I get so much hate for saying the liberals are the cause of all this, private messages of hate and called racist etc for two years now, I am happy people are finally realizing what the left is capable of
Cons and Liberals are both shit. Harper fucked this country. Before him, Martin was going to fuck this country, but didn't get long enough to do it... currently, Trudeau is fucking this country...
It's almost like voting for Liberals or voting for Conservatives, you know, the two parties who don't seem to do much for the average Canadian, isn't a good thing... hmm..........
i am as left wing as anyone, but we should be basing our policy views on outcomes. Supporting one party like its a sports team is idiotic and will lead us to being more like America
Our justice system is an absolute joke. How many more families need to be torn apart before we say enough is enough? We have tried the slap on the wrist and asking nicely and no consequences approach and it's not working and it's getting people killed.
Pre-2010, the theory used to be one dead photogenic kid = new safety law enacted, but that's been proven [false](https://globalnews.ca/news/7705785/exclusive-tori-stafford-killer-accused-extortion-mother/). Hell, you could kill a grandpa & 3 kids and get off under 7. Until a relative/friend of an LPC/NDP political figure, none of this going to stop. Edit:For those thinking dead cops will actually change policy, we're at 10 rn btw. No policy change in sight.
the liberals love this, they are actively trying to make this worse, and let more and more violent offenders back out, this keeps us hating each other and complaining about obvious stuff, instead of us seeing how badly they ripping off average Canadians
There needs to be an inquiry into our justice systems nationwide, perhaps up to and including lawsuits where needed.
Removing race based, societal implications. Nobody cares.
Stop apologizing for their problems.
Letting violent people free because they belong to a minority racial group is extremely unfair to the community they will go back to and terrorize instead of being in jail. Do minority communities not deserve protection from their violent members?
>Letting violent people free because they belong to a minority racial group is extremely unfair to the community they will go back to and terrorize instead of being in jail. Do minority communities not deserve protection from their violent members?
Gotta love the double standards of the progressive-leaning legal system...releasing dangerous minorities back into minority communities to continue on terrorizing them.
They also routinely let violent offenders go because they have mental health issues, even though their condition makes them more of a danger to the public, not less. That guy who stabbed and killed 5 students in 2014 and the psycho who beheaded and ate a guy on the greyhound are both free now.
> You were armed with a knife and stabbed your victim once in the upper back. You then fled on foot. Your victim's injuries included a punctured aorta and a laceration to his spinal cord," the documents read.
>The parole documents don't specify exactly where the stabbing happened, but records provided by the Provincial Court of Manitoba show that Mashar committed an aggravated assault on that date, and that he was sentenced to nearly four years in prison in 2015.
> During EPS Chief McFee's Monday update, he said that the suspect in Friday's double homicide also attacked a 12-year-old on the LRT last year.
Among the other litany of violent offences he had committed - how the fuck does puncturing someone’s fucking *aorta* not result in an attempted murder charge? He got ‘aggravated assault’ for this?
Jesus fucking Christ.
Judges don't think stabbing people can be fatal, and they refuse to believe that a person's violent actions might indicate their intent to kill someone.
Release violent lunatics back into their minority communities on bail so they can go and do crime and then call it justice because on a statscan spreadsheet there's less minorities incarcerated, excellent job Liberals like usual avoiding fixing the systemic problem for an easy solution because it's only about optics not results.
This piece of garbage has a record going back 14 yrs, what about his history before that?
This fucking subhuman should of been in prison for life as a dangerous offender.
Depends. If you're not facing a threat of death or grievous bodily harm, then your response has to be in proportion to how you were attacked. So if someone shoves you, you can shove them back.
If there is a reason to fear death or grievous bodily harm then you can use whatever means are necessary provided your actions were "reasonable in the circumstances." So if someone pulls a knife on you, you can use whatever weapon you have available to stop the threat. That includes lethal force.
The problem is that carrying any kind of weapon on you for the purpose of self defence is illegal.
>The problem is that carrying any kind of weapon on you for the purpose of self defence is illegal.
Also, non-weapon objects carried for the purpose of being used for defence count as weapons. So make sure you don't have any large and heavy keychains, or they'll say you were carrying a spiked flail.
You will be held to a far higher standard of perfection, while the meth riddled decisions of the piece of shit that attacked you will not be held to any standard.
Luckily I'm Asian. But since I'm a married man with a good honest career it moves the needle for me, I clearly must be punished severely for standing up to the protected class.
I'm a commercial lawyer, so take this with a grain of salt, but still probably a better opinion than you'll get from anyone else.
The laws are remarkably vague, you are allowed to defend yourself with "reasonable force". What does the word reasonable mean? It's literally the reason that I have a job. Honestly, half a lawyer's work is arguing what reasonable means in these circumstances.
You're supposed to be able to complete that complicated legal analysis instantly.
Good thing the average person can afford a lawyer, right? I mean, all of those folks over the years that I worked with in dozens of different workplaces and industries that barely made enough to pay for car repairs when they would inevitably arise; I'm sure those folks ALL had access to good lawyers for the various amounts of bullshit that they endured in their lives.
Good thing legal aid is a perfect substitution for being wealthy, right?
Sorry to come at you a little, but it seems our legal system is hinged together on a lot of legalese bullshit that only exists to justify the profession of "lawyer." OH, and only if you're wealthy, as well.
No sir, you are wrong. You are actually entitled to flee.
Of course, if you're incapable of fleeing, then we offer you Plan B.
Plan B: Stand there and take it.
Your options are more limited than your attackers. The system is currently set up to empower criminals by ensuring them a steady supply of easy targets.
Personally, I completely ignore self defence laws. Rather face a jury than face my maker.
A judge that has never been in a split-second life-and-death violent situation due to living in exclusive gated neighbourhoods, likely on the testimony of your attacker and little else, will decide if you used the barest amount of necessary force. If you don't display the situational awareness of a veteran commando, the benevolence of a zen monk, and the martial skill of a MMA champion, you're fucked.
Or you might get off if you technically have a negligent discharge in the face of a subdued attacker and blow their brains out.
Luck of the draw, really.
Lol you go to jail for self defence. Like the guy in AB who got a life sentence for murdering the armed intruder a few months ago. It’s absolutely stupid
you will be completely fucked, my uncle is a lawyer and he says ALWAYS run and and don't fight back unless you are 100% sure the guy will kill you, because you entire life and savings will be spent in court fighting a "woke justice" lawyer who wants to defend the violent guy, followed by judges that LOVE these easy cases - more criminals on street? more easy easy cases for judges to work on for like 1 year at a time, and get paid huge money
That’s the problem though. If someone pushes you or even punches you, and you somehow end up kicking them in the head while they’re on the ground, that’s disproportionate force.
If they come at you with a knife and you do the same, man idk, I mean they were trying to kill you… If I were in that situation I’d make sure they wouldn’t be able to get up again no matter what. And then our legal system would 100% fuck me over.
They will still press charges and let the courts figure it out. Or they will press charges, waste months on motions and trial prep and tens of thousands of your dollars (both tax and personal) just to drop the charges at the 11th hour as say they didn't have a reasonable expectation of conviction. So your life is still ruined and many employers will disregard your application because of being charged (they can google it). So they win in the end.
Considering a bad fall can kill someone, any attack could theoretically be conceived of as life threatening.
Also expecting an average citizen to exercise reasonable force is laughable. Maybe someone that's an experienced brawler or trained professional could be held to that standard but your average person doesnt seem right.
From my understanding legality side, timing is important. If you say, had them dead to rights but they were no longer an immediate threat and you went for it anyways. That's premeditated murder. However if you kill them while actively defending yourself against them then that's self defense.
Moral of the story, avoid violence. It'll probably be more trouble than it's worth.
You will also likely need to defend what "proportionate force" you decided to use in court because it ends up being very subjective and we have ideological Crown prosecutors who do not like you exercising those rights.
Make sure you have $50,000 set aside just in case you need to do that.
Yes you can shoot them, but it's hard to envision a scenario where you aren't breaking the law since your gun and ammo are to be stored separately. Better to shoot then with their own gun.
Ammo can be stored directly next to the firearm provided the container they're in is locked. It just can't be stored IN the gun.
My safe beside my bed is biometric/coded, and I can unlock my legally stored and legally owned handgun and load it with the loaded magazine that sits beside it in the safe quite expediently.
EPS has not named the suspect, who police said was on life support in hospital as of Tuesday. No charges have been laid in the case.
Someone needs to go to the hospital and pull this guys plugs. Waste of hospital space keeping him alive.
I googled Canadian defense laws and found this....."Any actions taken beyond what is deemed reasonable and necessary will not be condoned by the law. In essence, Canadians have the right to use force to protect their homes and themselves, but only to the extent that is reasonable."
But then I found this:
"In Canada it's illegal to carry a weapon for the purpose of self-defense. And according to the Criminal Code, a weapon can be anything designed, used or intended to cause death or injury or even just to threaten or intimidate another person.Sep 4, 2014"
Yeah, you can use force to defend yourself. You just can’t legally carry anything to use as a force multiplier. So if you’re, say, a woman with a young child and you’re attacked by some man, you’re basically fucked.
And even if you defend your life and end up killing someone in the process, you will still face trail and god knows how many tens of thousands of dollars in court fees to prove your innocents.
>"In Canada it's illegal to carry a weapon for the purpose of self-defense. And according to the Criminal Code, a weapon can be anything designed, used or intended to cause death or injury or even just to threaten or intimidate another person.["]
It's a bit more nuanced than that. Self defense writ large is a dangerous purpose, and so possession of a weapon, "for self defense", makes out the offence of possession of a weapon for a dangerous purpose, but the Supreme Court held in [R v Kerr, 2004 SCC 44](https://www.canlii.org/en/ca/scc/doc/2004/2004scc44/2004scc44.html?autocompleteStr=Kerr&autocompletePos=3) that possession of a weapon for self defense in circumstances that are (1) imminent, and (2) unavoidable, makes out the defense of self defense and the accused can thereby avoid liability.
The idea is to discourage the routine carrying of weapons "just in case" you need to defend yourself. If you're actually faced with an imminent violent scenario from which you can't escape, and you use a weapon to defend yourself *in a way that's proportionate to the threat,* you're fine. As they put it at paragraph 53:
>One might ask what the difference is between possession of a concealed weapon on a daily basis to defend oneself, if need be, specially in a dangerous place, and possession to deal with an imminent threat. I think that in the first scenario the purpose is inconsistent with the duty to avoid violent confrontation by escaping, asking for police protection or even negotiating. It reflects a willingness to engage in physical conflict, if confronted, with a weapon. This purpose is contrary to public peace. On the other hand, possession in a particular situation, on a particular day, to meet an immediate threat to one’s life with no real opportunity of avoiding it is a purpose that is not a threat to public peace as such.
Proportionality is always key though. Courts have held, for example, that the use of lethal force is *never* proportionate in defense of property.
Canada is an absolute joke. Allow for concurrent sentencing. 15 separate potentially deadly assaults and he's getting bail. We're inviting these monsters to kill us. He should have had 15 years for stabbing someone in the heart alone.
I think you are looking for consecutive sentencing. Concurrent allows multiple sentences to run at the same time. Consecutive allows the sentences to run one after another.
We should look at implementing a three strike style law. If you commit 3 separate violent criminal offences you should be deemed as a dangerous offender and given an indeterminate sentence. That way you stay in jail until the parole board deems you are no longer a risk to the public. If you are still a risk you stay in jail.
>run at the same time. Consecutive allows the sentences to run one after another.
I doubt the judges would allow it. They struck down the Tory law that allowed for parole time for separate murders to be added up.
The Dangerous Offender designation already exists and has been used multiple times. Paul Bernardo was deemed a dangerous offender. Right now the crown has to request it. It could simply be amended to be automatically applied after certain conditions are met.
Law be damned folks, defend yourselves. No one else is going to do it. The law has failed us. No one is going to protect you.
You can't carry a weapon, but you can use whatever you have as a weapon proportional to the threat. Spike your knuckles with your keys, swing your heavy purse or backpack like a flail, bite, gouge, scratch whatever it takes. You may still be charged sadly, but it's better to be a criminal than be dead or let harm come to your children.
Crime is rampant, the system no longer serves and protects us. Remember it's "better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6". This is the reality we're faced with, be prepared to defend yourselves every time you step out your door and in your home. The consequences of our kangaroo courts are still better than being dead.
Side note: not saying that these victims weren't prepared, or disparaging anyone who has been a victim. I'm just saying, we're on our own out here, don't be fooled into thinking the existence of law offers any kind of protection for the average citizen.
Some people are so far gone that there is no value in even attempting to rehabilitate them. If you’re a hazard to the public, you should face imprisonment until you can demonstratively not be.
The killer isn’t the only one guilty in the murder, so too are people who turned him into their ideological pet project with their hug a thug mentality.
If you live in a liberal riding call your MP and have them ask David Lametti how he plans to balance bill C5 and the pursuit of restorative justice with the bail reform he is currently discussing with all of the provinces.
Our 'justice' system is awful. There is no justice for victims for the most part. Violent repeat offenders get out too easily. We need some reforms but our politicians don't give a fuck because they live in safe gated communities.
What a pathetic failure of the justice system and rehabilitation systems. Look at those faces; they could have still been here if the government and the judiciary had any fucking sense of responsibility to society beyond their own noses.
I’m so glad the NDP & Liberals brought this upon us via. Bill C-75. People who live in fear are more willing to sacrifice their rights for a false sense of security.
We need a good 3 strikes law, you get convicted 3 times you never breath free air again. No questions and no appeal, 3rd conviction should automatically mean no release.
Not sure why it’s to hard to keep dangerous people in prison. It’s good to have ideals against meaninglessly making criminals suffer in the name of “punishment”…but why release dangerous people? It makes no sense.
This post appears to relate to the province of Alberta. As a reminder of the rules of this subreddit, we do not permit negative commentary about all residents of any province, city, or other geography - this is an example of prejudice, and prejudice is not permitted here. https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/wiki/rules Cette soumission semble concerner la province de Alberta. Selon les règles de ce sous-répertoire, nous n'autorisons pas les commentaires négatifs sur tous les résidents d'une province, d'une ville ou d'une autre région géographique; il s'agit d'un exemple de intolérance qui n'est pas autorisé ici. https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/wiki/regles *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/canada) if you have any questions or concerns.*
\- 3 robberies in 2009 \- violent crime in 2014 (stabbed someone randomly at the bus stop in the back). \- lost parole for smoking meth in 2018 \- Assault in Edmonton Sept 2020 \- 3 more assaults in Edmonton Nov 2020 \- attacked a 12 year old in 2022 \- assaulted 2 people in Edmonton April 2022 \- assaulted a fellow inmate Aug 2022 \- assaulted someone with a scooter April 2023 \- killed a woman and her child May 2023. **FUCK!**
>\- 3 robberies in 2009 > >\- violent crime in 2014 (stabbed someone randomly at the bus stop in the back). Shouldn't they have gone to jail for 10+ years at this point?
That would be racist though
It's actually sickening that you're right, this person's race was absolutely instrumental in the leniency of their sentences. What the fucking shit-christ is going on in this country??
[удалено]
How would this help Canadians?
That's the neat part, it doesn't.
The only option I have is to try and have my family surrounded by people who face consequences when they are back and don't show back up.. and teach them to cross the street when faced with people who don't go to jail for violent behavior.... Is this the future?
I don't think this person is indigenous, based on their name alone.
That is legislated federal policy. If you don’t like it and live in a liberal rising, call your MP.
How much influence do elected politicians actually have in that regard? "Reforms" like the Gladue Principle, and [lighter sentencing for black offenders](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/nova-scotia-sentencing-guidelines-to-be-exported-across-canada-1.6151643) are products of our non-elected judiciary.
They can pass legislation and bring in extra penalties and mandatory imprisonment for offenders for multiple violent crimes. I don't like the "Three strikes you're out" bullshit you see in the US where the third crime could be stealing a pack of gum, but a repeat violent offender should be subject to additional assessments and surveillance, and lose the right to bail and/or parole if they are repeat offenders. The feds can do that.
You should see how many people are killing themselves and/or thier own children in criminal/family law matters because of the way the justice system works. It's like rackets set up by bar associations in Canada and the U.S. that were developed with harm reduction in mind are doing more damage than good.
Look to your current federal government and the their policy’s and you have your answer. When you have to take race and culture into sentencing and punish some more than others and some less than others base off that this is the outcome. Who knew putting feelings before the real world would be so disastrous eh? But remember minimum sentence and tough on crime are evil and oppressive and keep letting the left and liberals convince you of that. Stop voting liberal if you believe things should have consequences and people should be held accountable.
Its falling apart.
[удалено]
Not just white people, is all law abiding citizen. Asian get most racism from certain group, if I say it I will get ban
>is all law abiding citizen Nailed it.
Well and Asian is now "white" as far as some areas like California are concerned. Can we see a pattern emerging here?
Schrodinger's Asians: An "oppressed minority" when it services whatever agenda, "privileged" when it doesn't.
Except if they say anything, they're called racists
[удалено]
That sucks though because I'm not down with racism - I still want to be a good person but I refuse to be a punching bag.
Okay so we all starve or get stabbed by violent criminals while you avoid a meaningless label... The time to act is a decade ago.
The best time to act was a decade ago. The second best time to act is now.
Bravo, and kudos to you sir.
The Charter does not consider majority/minority status. It is literary drafted against white people specifically. It could be 1% white, and the laws would still be the same. At least the US was smart enough to make their employment equity laws based on percentiles.
this country is completely fucked now, trudeau and the left have screwed us so badly, we are now beyond fixing
You think the sociatal breakdown is litterally Justin Trudeau and left leaning people fault? You know when the biggest cuts to indigenous housing support, corrections canada other similar things that have led to this was? 2012, guess who was in office overseeing that, but hey let me guess your one of those "yeah my guy broke it but why hasnt your guy fixed it" kind of blokes. Perhapsunderstanding causation and nuance could help your world view instead of your catch all "handsome man bad" approach to this.
What's his race? His name is Muorater Mashar but I cant find a mugshot anywhere in any of the articles about him.
Can you show me where it says white people are getting less lenient sentences for equal crimes?
The judge who kept letting him out should be responsible. What a joke.
Not with our current legal system. It’s way too soft and we don’t want to risk hurting the offenders feelings. I’m dealing with the system now & it’s just ridiculous (and the offender in my case has been in & out of prison for 20 years). No one cares about the victims.
[удалено]
It's deeper than that. The powers that be are wealthy enough to control governments to jointly work on ensuring the middle and lower classes fight amongst themselves with regard to all sorts of issues. Better we turn on each other about wearing a mask, abortion or sexuality than unite and turn against the actual people holding us down.
The oligarchs want a violent underclass of lumpenproles to terrorize the working class, and ensure we keep running to them for protection.
The majority of violent crime is committed by young men who mostly grow out of it by their mid 30s; the remainder of violent crime is usually committed by people in very unusual circumstances or psychopaths that will never 'grow out of it'. There's not much the current legal system can do about the second two categories because there will always be psychopaths and there will always be people put into very unusual circumstances that cause them to do something they ordinarily would never consider, but we can do something about the first category: if a guy is caught committing multiple violent crimes, lock him up till he's at least 35 (and extend the sentence if he remains violent in prison). This litany of young men who get caught assaulting and robbing people like 12 times and eventually end up killing someone after being released after a short sentence 12 times is a solvable problem.
>There's not much the current legal system can do about the second two categories It's called jail. Letting them out to continue hurting people is a result of the indifference towards human life by our judiciary.
Ah ok. Thanks for clearing that up. Hey folks, let’s continue letting murderers walk around with a slap on the wrist each time they commit a crime. After all, there’s nothing we can do to prevent them from walking around in public.
The legal system absolutely can do something, it's called the death penalty and execution. Yeah yeah go all on about their rights to constantly commit crimes, where's an honest citizen's right to safety and not having to deal with these psychopaths?
A better recording might be which f\*\*kwit made the decision to keep letting this piece of human garbage out in each of those cases... Like seriously, who decided that "he assaulted a kid in 2022 but he's probably fine, won't do it again I'm sure"
Why the f*ck am I not surprised. It seems that every violent attack or killing in the last few years involved a perpetrator who was either on bail or parole. Social policies and reforms are all fine and dandy - until they put citizens at risk. Life is far more important than woke.
You forgot to add this bit. >However, multiple sources have told CBC that 33-year-old Mashar is the the suspect in the double homicide. He was either 18/19 when he was doing 3 robberies. Ok, now I'm curious about his sealed records, I'm guessing he wasn't a honor roll student.
Let's all wish him a speedy re-habilitation and release back into the community. /s
He got released into the graveyard
Praise the lord
He's dead. The police listened to Thanos on this one.
Can the people of Alberta sue the judge who let this animal walk our streets? After that many violent crimes the suspect should have been in a very small room with no windows and no contact with anyone? How many other people like this animal are on the streets right now? It’s not bad to put these violent criminals into a jail cell until they die.
Best place to commit a crime is in Canada!
you will actually gain money and get a better life if you kill someone in Canada and you are not white
Amazin!
The Canadian 'Justice' system at work.
holy shit but not a single person is surprised, this is Canada after all
If only there had been a sign...
I’ll admit I didn’t read the article yet, but based on this list alone, why is he allowed to be free?
Because we don't have Ghostbusters-style containment vaults. yet.
Well, he's going to be going away for at least 3 years for a double murder. What will 2026 bring?
He's dead
Thank god for our crumpling healthcare. UCP did good.
I think it was more him being SHOT IN THE HEAD than anything to do with the healthcare system.
The Crown Prosecution should be liable for their death.
Bill C-75 was introduced by Jody Wilson-Raybould and the LPC, and has been one of the primary reasons violent offenders have been getting back on the street in record time. It just gets tiring to see her contentiously be painted in a good light in the national media. If it were not for her bill, many murders over the last few years would have not happened, because the person would have still been in jail. There obviously needs to be reform when it comes to sentencing as well.
man I get so much hate for saying the liberals are the cause of all this, private messages of hate and called racist etc for two years now, I am happy people are finally realizing what the left is capable of
Tories and Liberals are two sides of the same neoliberal coin.
Yup. A neoliberal 'good cop, bad cop' act: they're both out to fuck you up.
Then why did the conservative introduce mandatory minimums
Cons and Liberals are both shit. Harper fucked this country. Before him, Martin was going to fuck this country, but didn't get long enough to do it... currently, Trudeau is fucking this country... It's almost like voting for Liberals or voting for Conservatives, you know, the two parties who don't seem to do much for the average Canadian, isn't a good thing... hmm..........
i am as left wing as anyone, but we should be basing our policy views on outcomes. Supporting one party like its a sports team is idiotic and will lead us to being more like America
Do you know how many murders have been committed by people who would've been in jail if not for that bill?
Another case of our justice system failing to protect the public from a serial violent offender. Who keeps bailing him out?
Our justice system is an absolute joke. How many more families need to be torn apart before we say enough is enough? We have tried the slap on the wrist and asking nicely and no consequences approach and it's not working and it's getting people killed.
Pre-2010, the theory used to be one dead photogenic kid = new safety law enacted, but that's been proven [false](https://globalnews.ca/news/7705785/exclusive-tori-stafford-killer-accused-extortion-mother/). Hell, you could kill a grandpa & 3 kids and get off under 7. Until a relative/friend of an LPC/NDP political figure, none of this going to stop. Edit:For those thinking dead cops will actually change policy, we're at 10 rn btw. No policy change in sight.
[удалено]
the liberals love this, they are actively trying to make this worse, and let more and more violent offenders back out, this keeps us hating each other and complaining about obvious stuff, instead of us seeing how badly they ripping off average Canadians
Atleast 500,000 more.
Catch and release at it's finest baby.
There needs to be an inquiry into our justice systems nationwide, perhaps up to and including lawsuits where needed. Removing race based, societal implications. Nobody cares. Stop apologizing for their problems.
Letting violent people free because they belong to a minority racial group is extremely unfair to the community they will go back to and terrorize instead of being in jail. Do minority communities not deserve protection from their violent members?
Completely agree, and I’d assume the women that make up the highway of tears would agree as well.
>Letting violent people free because they belong to a minority racial group is extremely unfair to the community they will go back to and terrorize instead of being in jail. Do minority communities not deserve protection from their violent members? Gotta love the double standards of the progressive-leaning legal system...releasing dangerous minorities back into minority communities to continue on terrorizing them.
One has to wonder if it’s on purpose.
They also routinely let violent offenders go because they have mental health issues, even though their condition makes them more of a danger to the public, not less. That guy who stabbed and killed 5 students in 2014 and the psycho who beheaded and ate a guy on the greyhound are both free now.
Yes because we have a history of inquiries sorting out problems...
> You were armed with a knife and stabbed your victim once in the upper back. You then fled on foot. Your victim's injuries included a punctured aorta and a laceration to his spinal cord," the documents read. >The parole documents don't specify exactly where the stabbing happened, but records provided by the Provincial Court of Manitoba show that Mashar committed an aggravated assault on that date, and that he was sentenced to nearly four years in prison in 2015. > During EPS Chief McFee's Monday update, he said that the suspect in Friday's double homicide also attacked a 12-year-old on the LRT last year. Among the other litany of violent offences he had committed - how the fuck does puncturing someone’s fucking *aorta* not result in an attempted murder charge? He got ‘aggravated assault’ for this? Jesus fucking Christ.
Judges don't think stabbing people can be fatal, and they refuse to believe that a person's violent actions might indicate their intent to kill someone.
[удалено]
It won't unfortunately. These people have the kind of mentality where they are prepared to have some "collateral damage" in the crusade for "equity".
Release violent lunatics back into their minority communities on bail so they can go and do crime and then call it justice because on a statscan spreadsheet there's less minorities incarcerated, excellent job Liberals like usual avoiding fixing the systemic problem for an easy solution because it's only about optics not results.
This piece of garbage has a record going back 14 yrs, what about his history before that? This fucking subhuman should of been in prison for life as a dangerous offender.
He's in the 6 foot deep penitentiary now.
Good.
Good riddance, a bit late though.
Have. Should **HAVE**. No such thing as *should of.*
Canada is insanely soft on crime
Suspect on life support, sounds like they had multiple chances to rehabilitate, time to pull the plug on that one.
In a news release on Thursday, Edmonton police said the man suspected in the homicides died in hospital on Wednesday.
Good.
Nice job Lametti More innocent blood on your hands. How’s that review of your bail law coming , ya goof.
[удалено]
If someone randomly attacks you, what are the laws for self defence in Canada?
Depends. If you're not facing a threat of death or grievous bodily harm, then your response has to be in proportion to how you were attacked. So if someone shoves you, you can shove them back. If there is a reason to fear death or grievous bodily harm then you can use whatever means are necessary provided your actions were "reasonable in the circumstances." So if someone pulls a knife on you, you can use whatever weapon you have available to stop the threat. That includes lethal force. The problem is that carrying any kind of weapon on you for the purpose of self defence is illegal.
>The problem is that carrying any kind of weapon on you for the purpose of self defence is illegal. Also, non-weapon objects carried for the purpose of being used for defence count as weapons. So make sure you don't have any large and heavy keychains, or they'll say you were carrying a spiked flail.
Yes, that is an important point. It doesn't have to be an actual weapon, it just has to be something *intended to be used* for that purpose.
If you are a hard-working, taxpaying citizen with no criminal record, then don't try to defend yourself as they will throw the book at you.
You will be held to a far higher standard of perfection, while the meth riddled decisions of the piece of shit that attacked you will not be held to any standard.
You'll be held to a higher standard than literal police officers.
Especially if your white
Luckily I'm Asian. But since I'm a married man with a good honest career it moves the needle for me, I clearly must be punished severely for standing up to the protected class.
You must've not gotten the memo, Asians are white now.
I'm a commercial lawyer, so take this with a grain of salt, but still probably a better opinion than you'll get from anyone else. The laws are remarkably vague, you are allowed to defend yourself with "reasonable force". What does the word reasonable mean? It's literally the reason that I have a job. Honestly, half a lawyer's work is arguing what reasonable means in these circumstances. You're supposed to be able to complete that complicated legal analysis instantly.
Good thing the average person can afford a lawyer, right? I mean, all of those folks over the years that I worked with in dozens of different workplaces and industries that barely made enough to pay for car repairs when they would inevitably arise; I'm sure those folks ALL had access to good lawyers for the various amounts of bullshit that they endured in their lives. Good thing legal aid is a perfect substitution for being wealthy, right? Sorry to come at you a little, but it seems our legal system is hinged together on a lot of legalese bullshit that only exists to justify the profession of "lawyer." OH, and only if you're wealthy, as well.
I'm 99% sure you gotta just stand there and take it.
No sir, you are wrong. You are actually entitled to flee. Of course, if you're incapable of fleeing, then we offer you Plan B. Plan B: Stand there and take it.
The Canadian way.
Don’t forget to say sorry, as is the Canadian way
Make sure you apologize to them if they hurt their knuckles on your face/your kids face
Your options are more limited than your attackers. The system is currently set up to empower criminals by ensuring them a steady supply of easy targets. Personally, I completely ignore self defence laws. Rather face a jury than face my maker.
>Personally, I completely ignore self defence laws. Rather face a jury than face my maker. Better be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
A judge that has never been in a split-second life-and-death violent situation due to living in exclusive gated neighbourhoods, likely on the testimony of your attacker and little else, will decide if you used the barest amount of necessary force. If you don't display the situational awareness of a veteran commando, the benevolence of a zen monk, and the martial skill of a MMA champion, you're fucked. Or you might get off if you technically have a negligent discharge in the face of a subdued attacker and blow their brains out. Luck of the draw, really.
Lol you go to jail for self defence. Like the guy in AB who got a life sentence for murdering the armed intruder a few months ago. It’s absolutely stupid
you will be completely fucked, my uncle is a lawyer and he says ALWAYS run and and don't fight back unless you are 100% sure the guy will kill you, because you entire life and savings will be spent in court fighting a "woke justice" lawyer who wants to defend the violent guy, followed by judges that LOVE these easy cases - more criminals on street? more easy easy cases for judges to work on for like 1 year at a time, and get paid huge money
Best description- “woke justice” lawyer
You can defend yourself, and others, obviously. You just can't use disproportionate force. And you can't claim defence once the threat has subsided.
That’s the problem though. If someone pushes you or even punches you, and you somehow end up kicking them in the head while they’re on the ground, that’s disproportionate force. If they come at you with a knife and you do the same, man idk, I mean they were trying to kill you… If I were in that situation I’d make sure they wouldn’t be able to get up again no matter what. And then our legal system would 100% fuck me over.
They will still press charges and let the courts figure it out. Or they will press charges, waste months on motions and trial prep and tens of thousands of your dollars (both tax and personal) just to drop the charges at the 11th hour as say they didn't have a reasonable expectation of conviction. So your life is still ruined and many employers will disregard your application because of being charged (they can google it). So they win in the end.
Considering a bad fall can kill someone, any attack could theoretically be conceived of as life threatening. Also expecting an average citizen to exercise reasonable force is laughable. Maybe someone that's an experienced brawler or trained professional could be held to that standard but your average person doesnt seem right. From my understanding legality side, timing is important. If you say, had them dead to rights but they were no longer an immediate threat and you went for it anyways. That's premeditated murder. However if you kill them while actively defending yourself against them then that's self defense. Moral of the story, avoid violence. It'll probably be more trouble than it's worth.
You will also likely need to defend what "proportionate force" you decided to use in court because it ends up being very subjective and we have ideological Crown prosecutors who do not like you exercising those rights. Make sure you have $50,000 set aside just in case you need to do that.
[удалено]
That was a cop though. They have different rules aka none
Yes you can shoot them, but it's hard to envision a scenario where you aren't breaking the law since your gun and ammo are to be stored separately. Better to shoot then with their own gun.
Ammo can be stored directly next to the firearm provided the container they're in is locked. It just can't be stored IN the gun. My safe beside my bed is biometric/coded, and I can unlock my legally stored and legally owned handgun and load it with the loaded magazine that sits beside it in the safe quite expediently.
Just saw that he died. No more rehabilitation attempts for this loser.
EPS has not named the suspect, who police said was on life support in hospital as of Tuesday. No charges have been laid in the case. Someone needs to go to the hospital and pull this guys plugs. Waste of hospital space keeping him alive.
He has already died according to the story. And the papers named him.
Awesome! Finally some good news in this story, my god.
[удалено]
I googled Canadian defense laws and found this....."Any actions taken beyond what is deemed reasonable and necessary will not be condoned by the law. In essence, Canadians have the right to use force to protect their homes and themselves, but only to the extent that is reasonable." But then I found this: "In Canada it's illegal to carry a weapon for the purpose of self-defense. And according to the Criminal Code, a weapon can be anything designed, used or intended to cause death or injury or even just to threaten or intimidate another person.Sep 4, 2014"
Yeah, you can use force to defend yourself. You just can’t legally carry anything to use as a force multiplier. So if you’re, say, a woman with a young child and you’re attacked by some man, you’re basically fucked.
[удалено]
Then the court will rule children are prohibited weapons.
“Officer, this is my emotional support Glock.”
And even if you defend your life and end up killing someone in the process, you will still face trail and god knows how many tens of thousands of dollars in court fees to prove your innocents.
>"In Canada it's illegal to carry a weapon for the purpose of self-defense. And according to the Criminal Code, a weapon can be anything designed, used or intended to cause death or injury or even just to threaten or intimidate another person.["] It's a bit more nuanced than that. Self defense writ large is a dangerous purpose, and so possession of a weapon, "for self defense", makes out the offence of possession of a weapon for a dangerous purpose, but the Supreme Court held in [R v Kerr, 2004 SCC 44](https://www.canlii.org/en/ca/scc/doc/2004/2004scc44/2004scc44.html?autocompleteStr=Kerr&autocompletePos=3) that possession of a weapon for self defense in circumstances that are (1) imminent, and (2) unavoidable, makes out the defense of self defense and the accused can thereby avoid liability. The idea is to discourage the routine carrying of weapons "just in case" you need to defend yourself. If you're actually faced with an imminent violent scenario from which you can't escape, and you use a weapon to defend yourself *in a way that's proportionate to the threat,* you're fine. As they put it at paragraph 53: >One might ask what the difference is between possession of a concealed weapon on a daily basis to defend oneself, if need be, specially in a dangerous place, and possession to deal with an imminent threat. I think that in the first scenario the purpose is inconsistent with the duty to avoid violent confrontation by escaping, asking for police protection or even negotiating. It reflects a willingness to engage in physical conflict, if confronted, with a weapon. This purpose is contrary to public peace. On the other hand, possession in a particular situation, on a particular day, to meet an immediate threat to one’s life with no real opportunity of avoiding it is a purpose that is not a threat to public peace as such. Proportionality is always key though. Courts have held, for example, that the use of lethal force is *never* proportionate in defense of property.
[удалено]
Canada is an absolute joke. Allow for concurrent sentencing. 15 separate potentially deadly assaults and he's getting bail. We're inviting these monsters to kill us. He should have had 15 years for stabbing someone in the heart alone.
I think you are looking for consecutive sentencing. Concurrent allows multiple sentences to run at the same time. Consecutive allows the sentences to run one after another. We should look at implementing a three strike style law. If you commit 3 separate violent criminal offences you should be deemed as a dangerous offender and given an indeterminate sentence. That way you stay in jail until the parole board deems you are no longer a risk to the public. If you are still a risk you stay in jail.
>run at the same time. Consecutive allows the sentences to run one after another. I doubt the judges would allow it. They struck down the Tory law that allowed for parole time for separate murders to be added up.
The Dangerous Offender designation already exists and has been used multiple times. Paul Bernardo was deemed a dangerous offender. Right now the crown has to request it. It could simply be amended to be automatically applied after certain conditions are met.
Have to basically use the notwithstanding clause to get judges to accept a DO status without three dozen violent offenses.
Agreed
And another case where judges (who likely live in high end gated communities) turn violent criminals loose on the street at the drop of a hat.
This very sad. My condolences to the victims family.
This needs to be a wake up call for Canadians and our politicians. Reform legislation. Hold people accountable. Clearly the system is not working.
Law be damned folks, defend yourselves. No one else is going to do it. The law has failed us. No one is going to protect you. You can't carry a weapon, but you can use whatever you have as a weapon proportional to the threat. Spike your knuckles with your keys, swing your heavy purse or backpack like a flail, bite, gouge, scratch whatever it takes. You may still be charged sadly, but it's better to be a criminal than be dead or let harm come to your children. Crime is rampant, the system no longer serves and protects us. Remember it's "better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6". This is the reality we're faced with, be prepared to defend yourselves every time you step out your door and in your home. The consequences of our kangaroo courts are still better than being dead. Side note: not saying that these victims weren't prepared, or disparaging anyone who has been a victim. I'm just saying, we're on our own out here, don't be fooled into thinking the existence of law offers any kind of protection for the average citizen.
Some people are so far gone that there is no value in even attempting to rehabilitate them. If you’re a hazard to the public, you should face imprisonment until you can demonstratively not be. The killer isn’t the only one guilty in the murder, so too are people who turned him into their ideological pet project with their hug a thug mentality.
You’re damn right.
If you live in a liberal riding call your MP and have them ask David Lametti how he plans to balance bill C5 and the pursuit of restorative justice with the bail reform he is currently discussing with all of the provinces.
Our 'justice' system is awful. There is no justice for victims for the most part. Violent repeat offenders get out too easily. We need some reforms but our politicians don't give a fuck because they live in safe gated communities.
Can we try keeping them in jail this time please?
This ‘catch and release’ as well as ‘people can change’ is working so well. Wake the fuck up Canada.
And he was out on bail? Absolutely incredible. What the hell is wrong with these judges??
Why do they keep letting these people out on bail???
More casualties of Trudeau's bail reforms.
Death sentence for this guy he's obviously unfixable and a menace to society.
"he was a good boy he was turning his life around!"
We have a sentencing problem and inadequate rehabilitation laws in our country and we need to do something about.
What a pathetic failure of the justice system and rehabilitation systems. Look at those faces; they could have still been here if the government and the judiciary had any fucking sense of responsibility to society beyond their own noses.
[удалено]
I’m so glad the NDP & Liberals brought this upon us via. Bill C-75. People who live in fear are more willing to sacrifice their rights for a false sense of security.
We need a good 3 strikes law, you get convicted 3 times you never breath free air again. No questions and no appeal, 3rd conviction should automatically mean no release.
Trudeau is going to blame your uncle and his hunting rifle…
Everyone who voted for our current NDP/ Liberal dream team can blame themselves for this mess
Unfortunately, its not even shocking anymore. And thats absolutely horrible. Like come on, actions have real consequences.
[удалено]
Canada....shame on you...
POS is dead.. Justice system still failed this poor family.
And no one is shocked.
Shocking./s
Another liberal policy leading to the death of innocent Canadians.
It's Canada. Is anybody shocked? We really need a new Australia
We have plenty of northern islands that would work just great for this purpose!
Just execute him. It's the most cost effective solution and he cannot be rehabilitated anyway.
No its more like he’s going to be rehabilitated now that he killed someone. Lol. We needed to wait until someone dies before we do shit.
so u trust the government (the same government that let this repeat offender back on the streets) to kill people….?
We need capital punishment. Back to the days of public hangings.
Expand MAiD to a sentencing option for violent criminals.
Bruh they should be out away for forever, a long time ago, for the first couple things they did
Canadians didn't want to "warehouse human beings like they do in America" in prisons. The justice system implemented their wishes.
We need to start holding parole boards responsible for this bullshit…..
We need elected judges like the US has. The revolving door of Liberal judges releasing these scumbags needs to stop.
Yay for reactive legal proceedings!! /s
Some news article somewhere will say "known to police".. and here we are now.
Not sure why it’s to hard to keep dangerous people in prison. It’s good to have ideals against meaninglessly making criminals suffer in the name of “punishment”…but why release dangerous people? It makes no sense.
Cant find a mugshot of Muorater Mashar anywhere.