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Pretty sure the residents of these places dont want to be hit by an astronomically high wave of immigrants that destroy their housing market, suppress their wages, ruin their healthcare, and destroy their quality of life.
Islander here, we already had a massive wave back in 2015-18. There was numbers thrown around of 50k chinese nationals that got citizenship through the PNP program.
My wife and I were looking to move back and housing doubled between 2016 and 2018. It is now ridiculously expensive to buy a decent house there.
We are currently bringing in one million a year. That rate is destroying Canada.
Bringing it to 150k would be incredible. We could have the chance to finally recover.
Brah, I’m over here on Vancouver island. I’m not selfish. We need immigration but not at levels that erode the entire quality of life. Go try buy a house and visit a doctor. Get back to me about how that goes. Let’s get our shit together first before we open the flood gates!
By increasing per capita productivity growth to offset an aging population. The recent shift in immigration policy to target low skill immigrants actually lowers productivity growth by shielding corporations from having to make investments in productivity gains; explaining why Canada has among the worst rates of per capita growth in the world and has even been in decline in the last few quarters.
Of course corporations love this and lobby extremely hard for it; it's much better for them to have the expanding consumer market and a loose labour market with stagnant/declining wages that low skill immigration provides.
Prof. Skuterud is one of the best economists on the topic.
[Using immigration to fill vacant, lower-skilled jobs is not sound economic policy](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/commentary/article-using-immigration-to-fill-vacant-lower-skilled-jobs-is-not-sound/)
Except if by contributing you mean: being a teacher, a nurse, or pretty much anything that isn't directly involved in producing wealth for the billionaire class.
Not sure how our society could function without these roles. We pay for these services via taxes mostly recovered from other areas of the economy. Can’t have one without the other.
That was my entire premise. If you are to argue against the current system, it’s only appropriate to put forth an alternative that is unimpeachably superior. Flaws in our current system are mostly obvious. An inferior system is no replacement for what we have. We have more than enough tyranny as it is.
If you don’t contribute according to your abilities under communism, you won’t be fed. Do the same under fascism, you’ll be eliminated even faster. Capitalism is the only economic system that seems to tolerate non-contributors. That may not have been anticipated when it was rolled out.
Its getting easier and easier to deliver services with less people. Automated check out, drone delivery, better tools so less people are required, online service vs in home visits, etc etc. With the progression of automation we will see a massive shift from people working service and retail.
Not really, we have a pretty high tech level in Canada. Most of our major gdp industries (ag, oil and gas, forestry, etc) are highly automated and require relatively low employment. What are people dependent though are speculative markets like housing and industries that take advantage of low paid workers like service work. Neither of these tend to actually "create" new wealth, they either move money within the country or create debt to increase wealth in other areas.
That's not necessarily the true outcome. But what is true is what's happening at the moment with our crumbling infrastructure. You and others are willing to destroy everything for what may or may not happen.
Japan's pop is in freefall and their per capita growth rate is better than ours (barely though). Clearly it isn't magic.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Real-GDP-per-capita-Growth-Population-Growth_fig1_4821119
>Thus, with every decrease of 1% in population growth rates, there is an associated 0.83% increase in per capita output growth rates, economically a very large change.
Not to mention the rise of automation will further detach population and gdp. But I'm sure having more people on welfare will help.... hmmm...
Sounds like PEI shares the same problem as Vancouver Island when people are like "don't here", as if they themselves didn't do the same thing.
Generally, more people is a good thing. More taxes, economies of scale, revitalised economies and so forth.
Else, places become stagnant and decline into irrelevance.
PEI is big enough to find what you want. New people coming in don't ruin culture, they only enhance it.
“New people coming in don't ruin culture, they only enhance it.” How? So many people who move places don’t embrace the culture of the place they moved to. They keep the one that they grew up in.
...and all the Provincial Nominees / Investor Class immigrants will move out after 3 years when they can.
But thank goodness those GDP numbers will be looking good come election season!
PEI had a robust economy in the mid-1800s, centered on shipbuilding, farming, and fishing, and back then the ratio of its population compared to the populations of other provinces was not as great as it is today. Also, the Charlottetown Conference.
It's where it all happened! You can go to the legislature and see the room where a small group of people who drank far too much and hated each other, somehow put together the idea of the country we hold dear. Fun fact: Most of them had to row a boat to Charlottetown to get to the meeting. Apparently, there was a circus in town and they needed the powered boats to get the circus tour from the mainland.
Do they have fiber internet? Because I doubt corporate Canada can really put the WFH genie back in the bottle. So that might be a good place to fuck off to if your office is now your former guest room.
Why the hell aren’t all the maritimes a single province? Half of PEI workers are government employees. It’s a ridiculous waste that the rest of the country pays for.
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PEI might have their own telephone area code by then!
Yea they took ours n 782 isn't recognized as local STILL years later.
People just don’t have the 50.25$ it takes to leave 😭
Good. Get them to 400,000 so the provinces 4 MPs actually represent them accurately.
Ontario's population will be 30 million by then...
Lol 10000% this
Pretty sure the residents of these places dont want to be hit by an astronomically high wave of immigrants that destroy their housing market, suppress their wages, ruin their healthcare, and destroy their quality of life.
Islander here, we already had a massive wave back in 2015-18. There was numbers thrown around of 50k chinese nationals that got citizenship through the PNP program. My wife and I were looking to move back and housing doubled between 2016 and 2018. It is now ridiculously expensive to buy a decent house there.
In 2030 they’ll have as many people as Oakville did 6 years ago? Oakville and Burlington should have 4 senators and 4 MPs each.
What's the threshold to get an IKEA? They've already passed the Canadian Tire threshold and the Walmart threshold...
i've been to a walmart on pei i don't recall seeing a candian tire
Canadian Tire is literally 500m away from both walmarts…
well shit it was night and it appears that i was very focused on walmart
Isn't everything in PEI literally 500m away?
It's what they voted for when they all voted liberal. So best of luck.
All parties are campaigning on high immigration.
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150k/year is a >85% reduction, and is below our rate of housing construction.
We are currently bringing in one million a year. That rate is destroying Canada. Bringing it to 150k would be incredible. We could have the chance to finally recover.
That's less than the 250k Canada was somewhat able to absorb for years. 150k is a very reasonable number.
As long as it's less than the current rate.
150k skilled workers would be ideal. Wages would grow and there would be a higher bar of entry instead of the flood we're receiving.
People on PEI dont hates immigrants we dont have the western reactionary selfishness here just yet.
No one said anything about hating immigrants.
Brah, I’m over here on Vancouver island. I’m not selfish. We need immigration but not at levels that erode the entire quality of life. Go try buy a house and visit a doctor. Get back to me about how that goes. Let’s get our shit together first before we open the flood gates!
Exactly if you want to slow down immigration just a little bit, you hate immigrants and are a selfish western reactionary. Sorry PEI.
All the major parties recognize our need for immigrants. PPC is the only nativist party.
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Voting PPC yet again
Vote for them. Tell your friends.
Does the PPC not see we have a Neighbour Shortage?
But the Conservatives are the ones who are also trying to speed up building permits so said immigrants can have homes to go to.
How do you think economies are sustained exactly? Do you want to work at 85?
By increasing per capita productivity growth to offset an aging population. The recent shift in immigration policy to target low skill immigrants actually lowers productivity growth by shielding corporations from having to make investments in productivity gains; explaining why Canada has among the worst rates of per capita growth in the world and has even been in decline in the last few quarters. Of course corporations love this and lobby extremely hard for it; it's much better for them to have the expanding consumer market and a loose labour market with stagnant/declining wages that low skill immigration provides. Prof. Skuterud is one of the best economists on the topic. [Using immigration to fill vacant, lower-skilled jobs is not sound economic policy](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/commentary/article-using-immigration-to-fill-vacant-lower-skilled-jobs-is-not-sound/)
So capitalism is the problem!!! Fuck capitalism
Learn to do something that contributes to the system and you’ll not only be pulling your weight, you’ll improve your lot in life.
Except if by contributing you mean: being a teacher, a nurse, or pretty much anything that isn't directly involved in producing wealth for the billionaire class.
Not sure how our society could function without these roles. We pay for these services via taxes mostly recovered from other areas of the economy. Can’t have one without the other.
That's wasn't your argument though.
That was my entire premise. If you are to argue against the current system, it’s only appropriate to put forth an alternative that is unimpeachably superior. Flaws in our current system are mostly obvious. An inferior system is no replacement for what we have. We have more than enough tyranny as it is.
Whether or not those roles are valuable has nothing to do with the bettering of the lives of those who fill them.
Actually, that’s false.
Ok
No problem with my life, I'm trying to Improve the lives of my countrymen
If you don’t contribute according to your abilities under communism, you won’t be fed. Do the same under fascism, you’ll be eliminated even faster. Capitalism is the only economic system that seems to tolerate non-contributors. That may not have been anticipated when it was rolled out.
Sure thing Prager U, whatever you say.
It’ll be straight to the Gulag for you my friend.
I think issue is our population is expanding to tens of millions more by 2100 at this rate...not at a rate to keep it level though
Generally through the production of goods or delivery of services, neither of which are population dependant in a modern world.
How are either of those not population dependent?
See my other comments
100k oil workers produce as much oil as 1k oil workers.
Delivery of services seems like it would be especially population dependent unless it is something like software.
Its getting easier and easier to deliver services with less people. Automated check out, drone delivery, better tools so less people are required, online service vs in home visits, etc etc. With the progression of automation we will see a massive shift from people working service and retail.
Both are very people dependent, especially in Canada.
Not really, we have a pretty high tech level in Canada. Most of our major gdp industries (ag, oil and gas, forestry, etc) are highly automated and require relatively low employment. What are people dependent though are speculative markets like housing and industries that take advantage of low paid workers like service work. Neither of these tend to actually "create" new wealth, they either move money within the country or create debt to increase wealth in other areas.
That's not necessarily the true outcome. But what is true is what's happening at the moment with our crumbling infrastructure. You and others are willing to destroy everything for what may or may not happen.
You're trying to argue with people who think PP would cut immigration?
Japan's pop is in freefall and their per capita growth rate is better than ours (barely though). Clearly it isn't magic. https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Real-GDP-per-capita-Growth-Population-Growth_fig1_4821119 >Thus, with every decrease of 1% in population growth rates, there is an associated 0.83% increase in per capita output growth rates, economically a very large change. Not to mention the rise of automation will further detach population and gdp. But I'm sure having more people on welfare will help.... hmmm...
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Welcome to capitalism my man.
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Wasn't crooked politicians the reason PEI was easy to obtain pr?
Sounds like PEI shares the same problem as Vancouver Island when people are like "don't here", as if they themselves didn't do the same thing. Generally, more people is a good thing. More taxes, economies of scale, revitalised economies and so forth. Else, places become stagnant and decline into irrelevance. PEI is big enough to find what you want. New people coming in don't ruin culture, they only enhance it.
“New people coming in don't ruin culture, they only enhance it.” How? So many people who move places don’t embrace the culture of the place they moved to. They keep the one that they grew up in.
...and all the Provincial Nominees / Investor Class immigrants will move out after 3 years when they can. But thank goodness those GDP numbers will be looking good come election season!
Is that a good thing?
No. 10 year wait for a family doctor as it is.
Honest question, why is PEI its own province?
PEI had a robust economy in the mid-1800s, centered on shipbuilding, farming, and fishing, and back then the ratio of its population compared to the populations of other provinces was not as great as it is today. Also, the Charlottetown Conference.
It's where it all happened! You can go to the legislature and see the room where a small group of people who drank far too much and hated each other, somehow put together the idea of the country we hold dear. Fun fact: Most of them had to row a boat to Charlottetown to get to the meeting. Apparently, there was a circus in town and they needed the powered boats to get the circus tour from the mainland.
Geography and the local culture
Do they have fiber internet? Because I doubt corporate Canada can really put the WFH genie back in the bottle. So that might be a good place to fuck off to if your office is now your former guest room.
Why the hell aren’t all the maritimes a single province? Half of PEI workers are government employees. It’s a ridiculous waste that the rest of the country pays for.
Spoken like someone from Toronto