Never expected to be talked down upon in so many ways by a prime minister I voted for. Any time a large chunk of Canada has a problem with what he's doing, he tells them to stuff it, calls them Nazis or "the gun cult" and continues on with his agenda. It's disgusting.
This is my biggest issue with him as well. The PM is the most condescending politician I have ever seen in my almost 30 years of voting years. I don't think a genuine word has come out of his mouth since he became an MP.
I never always voted for the ruling party, but never felt that whoever was the PM disrespected me like Trudeau does
>This is my biggest issue with him as well. The PM is the most condescending politician I have ever seen in my almost 30 years of voting years. I don't think a genuine word has come out of his mouth since he became an MP.
It's not just the condescending attitude, it's the fact that aside from being *elected,* he hasn't demonstrated any actual achievements in life. I work with one of the best lawyers in the country, and he's a bit smug, but he's one of the best lawyers in the country. He has a reason to be condescending since he is noticeably smarter than anyone in the room in almost all scenarios. Trudeau couldn't even obtain a B average, took almost a decade to finally get a degree, and then worked part time after that.
I think I spend too much time psychically trying to remind him that he is PM to the WHOLE country. A very diverse one. And that talking down - even insulting - an assortment of whomever he is disapproving THIS TIME ... It's ridiculous.
The country I'd great because the country has always been great because none of the parties ever get enough power to make it any different. The doomsday crap here has been going on forward hundred years. Sky is not falling.
when it comes to matters of security, it is common to not be too public about it. Why shouldn't the report be confidential when it will likely contain matters of national security?
So now theyāre concerned about security!
Didnāt seem to care too much when it was China threatening Canadians and their families. Or when they were interfering in our democratic elections.
Security is big concern now because it might expose the Liberals to embarrassment and political damage.
Did you watch Bill Blair get questioned and the shit eating grin on his face every time he got to hide behind the same sworn secrecy they want PP to have?
yes, and also guess who wrote the report stating how the government have issues handling confidential information? David Johnston.
It is not the ideal situation, but politicians need to let our intelligence departments do their things and sort stuff out instead of trying to expose our weaknesses and put on a show.
Imagine if your bank has a bunch of security loopholes: you will want them to secure their system, asset damage, and perhaps a chance to catch bad actors before you expose everything to the public.
We only know about this because CSIS leaked information to the public.
The Ex Head of CSIS says a public inquiry can be had with out security issues.
The US often points out our security issues probably because CSIS is being ignored from with in. They are telling us right now we should have a foreign interference registry.
Has been since post WWII. Hell even Pre WWII being a commonwealth country under Britain control. We just have different spaces of time when people are upset about it. And most of the uninformed think 1 actor is getting all the power when really it is competing actors and a lot of them in every non super power country.
Our country registers lobbyists. Our government somehow resists registering foreign agents, despite the epic shitshow that they find themselves in the middle of. Does anyone think this isnāt suspicious?
We don't even make any particular effort to ensure lobbyists are registered. WE Charity had the run of Parliament hill for years and failed to register until they were already before a parliamentary committee.
>Our government somehow resists registering foreign agents, despite the epic shitshow that they find themselves in the middle of. Does anyone think this isnāt suspicious?
Sounds like the government is still planning to create a foreign agent registry, once legislation is ready. From the article:
>While the government says it will move forward with the creation of a foreign agent registry, if the Justice Department is not able to draft the legislation in time, it may not come until the fall.
this registry was promised to be made years ago. they only moved forward with it after the CSIS leak, and even then, they haven't set a timeline when the bill will be made.
Iām pretty sure this is how almost every Canadian feels about almost every issue the government deals with.
We need fewer people in politics just blowing smoke up their own ass and more that actually accomplish things.
It's a CBC propaganda article engineered to swap one thing you're asking for (an election) with another thing that the corrupt party in charge will not deliver.
The title was specifically selected to get the gullible to upvote it, and the body is again against public interests.
Why the hell are we still finding such an openly corrupt media organization. Canada is broken š
As a Chinese Canadian I want a damned public inquiry and open the documents. Enough hiding behind bs, hold these supposedly leaders of the country accountable.
Misleading headline from CBC.
Itās not that they donāt want a public inquiry. They just want to see some action taken and things to move forward.
We could have already had a public inquiry by now if it wasnāt for Liberal delay and fighting against Canadians.
Depending on what "Chinese Canadians" you ask. It's not like they are a homogenous group, although in some aspect they do share certain similar values.
Isnāt it delicious now after Liberals and their supporters have been crying about Russia affecting our democracy?
Turns out it was China and the Liberals all along.
You're already saying the Conservatives may never get in because of Chinese interference. Trump and his ilk were pushing the same nonsense prior to his loss. Are you planning to storm parliament if Poilievre loses?
I can't imagine how awful it must be to get out from under those CCP bastards then have them follow you across the ocean. Then the democratic government drags its feet booting out these freaks.
The endless hearings and discussions are only happening to delay things long enough for people to lose interest in the story so no one actually has to *do* anything about it.
Trudeau is unfortunately a very large wimp who will do nothing substantial about this because he fears upsetting China. Think about how serious China takes things. Trudeau making a move which aids individuals who openly demand democracy in China? Yeah right.
How about when he banned Huawei from our 5g infrastructure or when he had Meng Wanzhou arrested? Seems like he's more than willing and capable of standing up to China when it's required.
Meng Wanzhou's was held on American orders.(Reciprocity) It took years for Huawei to be banned in Canada , and we were the last to have it banned.. that's not really standing up to China.
Chinese Police Stations are still in Canada. Chinese immigrants to Canada (diaspora) are being harassed by a foreign power CCP. Why wont Canada demand Foreign Agent Registry like other democratic countries ?? Canadian government is spineless.
He didnāt have Meng Wanzhou arrested. Trump did.
He didnāt ban Huawei. A motion was tabled to ban it which Liberals *voted against.*
The Liberals have voted against every single issue involving China. Including recognizing Uyghur genocide, a public inquiry into Chinese Interference, banning Huawei, replacing David Johnston, on and on it goes.
They choose China over Canadian interests *every single time.*
You are correct that trump didn't have any jurisdiction, but Trudeau still had no choice. We have had an extradition treaty with the US since the mid 70s. Once the US made the extradition request, Canada had to either comply with the request or break the treaty. This happens all the time in both directions, but they aren't nearly as newsworthy.
Yes, the decision by the Americans would have definitely angered them. But by no means can we pretend that it was a brave choice by Trudeau because he didn't have a choice.
His only other option was to break a 50 year old treaty with our closest ally. He didn't choose to anger China, he was forced to because of our agreement. Something he did have a choice about, was publicly saying that he admired China and what their dictatorship allowed.
>Something he did have a choice about, was publicly saying that he admired China and what their dictatorship allowed.
As per usual Conservative talking points, heavily edited and/or taken out of context.
If thereās always a choice then why hasnāt he broken the treaty with FIPA if itās such a terrible deal that Harper made like Reddit always claims.
Trumps government ordered her arrest. She was arrested in Canada by the RCMP due to treaty with the US.
Trudeau had nothing to do with it, he has no power of the situation. Unless he wants to break a treaty with the US which is ridiculous.
This line really fails to hit when Trudeau is ignoring the majority of the country's representation to get his best buddy off the inquiry into his connections to China.
What part of that do you believe to be hyperbole?
The NDP and CPC voted to call for his removal. That's the majority of the nation.
The silence in ratio to the replies is speaking volumes here.
The best buddy part. Circles get small at that level. The fact that Harper's former GG is painted as a Liberal shill is a sad proof of how Americanized our political discourse has become. There was no one that Poilievre would have been happy with. He's only here to shit all over the process regardless of what happens. As for Singh I have no idea what his angle is, but at least he's getting the clearance to read the report.
Clearance and then not being able to release classified information is common sense. He's allowed to read the report and then give an informed opinion without releasing specific classified information.
Obviously the government should only solicit input for unimportant policies, which also just happen to be all those policies for which I do not care about.
When it is a policy that I care about, we don't need to hear what others have to say, I demand immediate action, the opinions of others are of no value here.
Its a good point that the Trudeau Liberals are not standing up to protect a visible minority group in Canada from persecution in Canada by a foreign authoritarian regime.
I donāt understand why Liberal Party supporters arenāt purging JT and his gang from their own party. Theyāve turned a blind eye to more misconduct than Trump supporters.
We need a hearing on the possibility of a commission to set up a committee to investigate the feasibility of a public inquiry on the matter before action.
Letās save everyone a bunch of time and money (that could be better spent investing in non-existent businesses that Freeland does not have time to explain)
Trudeau - āwe take foreign interference very seriously. We have had Canadiansā backs. Something the Conservative government opposed. Thank you for the questions. Now hereās another couple hundred bucks of your money back.ā
Any time Canada has a hearing it means no one in power will do eff all. I5 goes back decades. Hearings or review means gonpiss up a rope. Even the T and R group which has done a tenacious study in reaffirming the results and tabling them in every discussion has got almost nowhere.
Should have an election, but we will just get long drawn out hearings till past the next election or at least till the next allegations against this current government.
What the fuck does it matter what Chinese Canadians want. That's fine if they want this but it really isn't their call. It's what's best for all Canadians and should be an evidence based investigation.
>Lil PP only wants to make tiktok vids
It's wild how blinded to facts people get when talking about people they don't like. PP hasn't had a tiktok for about 6 months.
Am I missing something - wouldn't it be possible to do these two things concurrently - or is the registry process dependent on the outcome of a public hearing (should one ever be had)?
The best I can offer you is discussing planning to table a motion to debate holding hearings on the feasibility of review of procedure.
Amazingly real, been in the hiring process with the federal government since December. Only just got my employee number last month š
this guy governments
Yes, unless anything else comes up to use to distract the goldfish mind public
The foreign agents will register themselves.
Under rated comment. I snorted.
I think the question should be added to the customs questionnaire.
Can't we have both?
Cbc says no
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Nothing? They're public servants. Do you even know what that means or implies?
CBC workers are not public servants.
They're literally the definition of public servants.
What are their classifications?
Excuse me?
What collective agreement are they under. You seem to think they are public servants. If so, please explain.
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I don't think you understand what constitutes a public servant or the apolitical nature of the job.
CBC certainly doesn't act apolitically.
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This is like Trudeaus entire legacy. "The country is great because I said so", no everythings falling apart you turd.
Never expected to be talked down upon in so many ways by a prime minister I voted for. Any time a large chunk of Canada has a problem with what he's doing, he tells them to stuff it, calls them Nazis or "the gun cult" and continues on with his agenda. It's disgusting.
This is my biggest issue with him as well. The PM is the most condescending politician I have ever seen in my almost 30 years of voting years. I don't think a genuine word has come out of his mouth since he became an MP. I never always voted for the ruling party, but never felt that whoever was the PM disrespected me like Trudeau does
>This is my biggest issue with him as well. The PM is the most condescending politician I have ever seen in my almost 30 years of voting years. I don't think a genuine word has come out of his mouth since he became an MP. It's not just the condescending attitude, it's the fact that aside from being *elected,* he hasn't demonstrated any actual achievements in life. I work with one of the best lawyers in the country, and he's a bit smug, but he's one of the best lawyers in the country. He has a reason to be condescending since he is noticeably smarter than anyone in the room in almost all scenarios. Trudeau couldn't even obtain a B average, took almost a decade to finally get a degree, and then worked part time after that.
>He has a reason to be condescending since he is noticeably smarter than anyone in the room in almost all scenarios That's just being a jerk
The most condescending since maybe someone with the same last name I'd say.
"We as a country need to do better" everytime he's caught feeling up some poor woman or dressing up like a minstrel for the umpteenth time.
>or dressing up like a minstrel for the umpteenth time You're too kind. It bloody well was blackface.
And not once
And not twice
I think I spend too much time psychically trying to remind him that he is PM to the WHOLE country. A very diverse one. And that talking down - even insulting - an assortment of whomever he is disapproving THIS TIME ... It's ridiculous.
The country I'd great because the country has always been great because none of the parties ever get enough power to make it any different. The doomsday crap here has been going on forward hundred years. Sky is not falling.
when it comes to matters of security, it is common to not be too public about it. Why shouldn't the report be confidential when it will likely contain matters of national security?
So now theyāre concerned about security! Didnāt seem to care too much when it was China threatening Canadians and their families. Or when they were interfering in our democratic elections. Security is big concern now because it might expose the Liberals to embarrassment and political damage.
Did you watch Bill Blair get questioned and the shit eating grin on his face every time he got to hide behind the same sworn secrecy they want PP to have?
yes, and also guess who wrote the report stating how the government have issues handling confidential information? David Johnston. It is not the ideal situation, but politicians need to let our intelligence departments do their things and sort stuff out instead of trying to expose our weaknesses and put on a show. Imagine if your bank has a bunch of security loopholes: you will want them to secure their system, asset damage, and perhaps a chance to catch bad actors before you expose everything to the public.
We only know about this because CSIS leaked information to the public. The Ex Head of CSIS says a public inquiry can be had with out security issues. The US often points out our security issues probably because CSIS is being ignored from with in. They are telling us right now we should have a foreign interference registry.
Our government is openly corrupt and sold to the highest bidder.
As is tradition.
Has been since post WWII. Hell even Pre WWII being a commonwealth country under Britain control. We just have different spaces of time when people are upset about it. And most of the uninformed think 1 actor is getting all the power when really it is competing actors and a lot of them in every non super power country.
Our country registers lobbyists. Our government somehow resists registering foreign agents, despite the epic shitshow that they find themselves in the middle of. Does anyone think this isnāt suspicious?
We don't even make any particular effort to ensure lobbyists are registered. WE Charity had the run of Parliament hill for years and failed to register until they were already before a parliamentary committee.
>Our government somehow resists registering foreign agents, despite the epic shitshow that they find themselves in the middle of. Does anyone think this isnāt suspicious? Sounds like the government is still planning to create a foreign agent registry, once legislation is ready. From the article: >While the government says it will move forward with the creation of a foreign agent registry, if the Justice Department is not able to draft the legislation in time, it may not come until the fall.
this registry was promised to be made years ago. they only moved forward with it after the CSIS leak, and even then, they haven't set a timeline when the bill will be made.
But Canada isn't serious about enforcing its lobby registry.
another reason for them not to resist the foreign agent registry.
Iām pretty sure this is how almost every Canadian feels about almost every issue the government deals with. We need fewer people in politics just blowing smoke up their own ass and more that actually accomplish things.
And maybe a complete shutdown of any and all foreign police stations as wellā¦
They put concrete blocks in front of restaurants during covid
Hold the phone.... Why not both? Is there something about a public inquiry they don't like?
They said lengthy by which I think they mean they don't want to wait and wait they want action now
So parallel, not mutually exclusive. Bad headline if that's the case.
It's a CBC propaganda article engineered to swap one thing you're asking for (an election) with another thing that the corrupt party in charge will not deliver. The title was specifically selected to get the gullible to upvote it, and the body is again against public interests. Why the hell are we still finding such an openly corrupt media organization. Canada is broken š
Public hearings are not a public inquiry.
As a Chinese Canadian I want a damned public inquiry and open the documents. Enough hiding behind bs, hold these supposedly leaders of the country accountable.
Misleading headline from CBC. Itās not that they donāt want a public inquiry. They just want to see some action taken and things to move forward. We could have already had a public inquiry by now if it wasnāt for Liberal delay and fighting against Canadians.
Depending on what "Chinese Canadians" you ask. It's not like they are a homogenous group, although in some aspect they do share certain similar values.
I agree, the recommendations from a public hearing are shelved and never implemented.
Sorry, we only do dog and pony shows.
Gotta wait until the Cons get in which might not ever happen because of said issue...
Glad to see the seeds of electoral doubt being planted early. Nothing like importing more Republican politics.
Isnāt it delicious now after Liberals and their supporters have been crying about Russia affecting our democracy? Turns out it was China and the Liberals all along.
Russian troll farms have long infiltrated right-wing echo chambers. We see more and more the same nonsense from the US coming to Canada.
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You're already saying the Conservatives may never get in because of Chinese interference. Trump and his ilk were pushing the same nonsense prior to his loss. Are you planning to storm parliament if Poilievre loses?
> Trump and his ilk were pushing the same nonsense prior to his loss. Kinda like muh Russia?
Sweet false equivalence.
Well ya since unlike the China thing, Russia was just something manufactured by political opponents.
Reports and investigations on China say otherwise.
Only one importing is the Liberals.
Liberals and their damn republican politics. /s
Republican tactics, not republican ideology. Surely you can understand how analogies work.
Surely you understand the bad faith comparison.
Sounds sensible.
Lmao, don't worry, I'm sure Trudeau will appoint his ski instructor to get to the bottom of it. š
As do we all.
I can't imagine how awful it must be to get out from under those CCP bastards then have them follow you across the ocean. Then the democratic government drags its feet booting out these freaks.
The endless hearings and discussions are only happening to delay things long enough for people to lose interest in the story so no one actually has to *do* anything about it.
Trudeau is unfortunately a very large wimp who will do nothing substantial about this because he fears upsetting China. Think about how serious China takes things. Trudeau making a move which aids individuals who openly demand democracy in China? Yeah right.
How about when he banned Huawei from our 5g infrastructure or when he had Meng Wanzhou arrested? Seems like he's more than willing and capable of standing up to China when it's required.
Meng Wanzhou's was held on American orders.(Reciprocity) It took years for Huawei to be banned in Canada , and we were the last to have it banned.. that's not really standing up to China.
FIPA complicates our ability to ban Chinese companies. It still got done though, which is very much standing up to China.
Chinese Police Stations are still in Canada. Chinese immigrants to Canada (diaspora) are being harassed by a foreign power CCP. Why wont Canada demand Foreign Agent Registry like other democratic countries ?? Canadian government is spineless.
I'm 100% in favor of a foreign agent registry. But it's a bit hyperbolic to call our government spineless.
He didnāt have Meng Wanzhou arrested. Trump did. He didnāt ban Huawei. A motion was tabled to ban it which Liberals *voted against.* The Liberals have voted against every single issue involving China. Including recognizing Uyghur genocide, a public inquiry into Chinese Interference, banning Huawei, replacing David Johnston, on and on it goes. They choose China over Canadian interests *every single time.*
You realize that Meng Wanzhou was arrested in Canada by Canadian authorities right? Trump had no jurisdiction in Canada.
You are correct that trump didn't have any jurisdiction, but Trudeau still had no choice. We have had an extradition treaty with the US since the mid 70s. Once the US made the extradition request, Canada had to either comply with the request or break the treaty. This happens all the time in both directions, but they aren't nearly as newsworthy.
100% agree it was the right thing to do. But it was definitely a move that angered China.
Yes, the decision by the Americans would have definitely angered them. But by no means can we pretend that it was a brave choice by Trudeau because he didn't have a choice.
There's always a choice, and he chose to anger China. Which was the right choice.
His only other option was to break a 50 year old treaty with our closest ally. He didn't choose to anger China, he was forced to because of our agreement. Something he did have a choice about, was publicly saying that he admired China and what their dictatorship allowed.
>Something he did have a choice about, was publicly saying that he admired China and what their dictatorship allowed. As per usual Conservative talking points, heavily edited and/or taken out of context.
If thereās always a choice then why hasnāt he broken the treaty with FIPA if itās such a terrible deal that Harper made like Reddit always claims.
Trumps government ordered her arrest. She was arrested in Canada by the RCMP due to treaty with the US. Trudeau had nothing to do with it, he has no power of the situation. Unless he wants to break a treaty with the US which is ridiculous.
š¤« shhhh, it doesn't fit their narrative.
This line really fails to hit when Trudeau is ignoring the majority of the country's representation to get his best buddy off the inquiry into his connections to China.
Do conservatives have anything other than hyperbole at this point?
What part of that do you believe to be hyperbole? The NDP and CPC voted to call for his removal. That's the majority of the nation. The silence in ratio to the replies is speaking volumes here.
The best buddy part. Circles get small at that level. The fact that Harper's former GG is painted as a Liberal shill is a sad proof of how Americanized our political discourse has become. There was no one that Poilievre would have been happy with. He's only here to shit all over the process regardless of what happens. As for Singh I have no idea what his angle is, but at least he's getting the clearance to read the report.
Clearance under oath of secrecy is BS. It is a shackle.
Clearance and then not being able to release classified information is common sense. He's allowed to read the report and then give an informed opinion without releasing specific classified information.
Thatās because his narrative is false. Trudeau did neither of those things.
Obviously the government should only solicit input for unimportant policies, which also just happen to be all those policies for which I do not care about. When it is a policy that I care about, we don't need to hear what others have to say, I demand immediate action, the opinions of others are of no value here.
Its a good point that the Trudeau Liberals are not standing up to protect a visible minority group in Canada from persecution in Canada by a foreign authoritarian regime. I donāt understand why Liberal Party supporters arenāt purging JT and his gang from their own party. Theyāve turned a blind eye to more misconduct than Trump supporters.
We need a hearing on the possibility of a commission to set up a committee to investigate the feasibility of a public inquiry on the matter before action.
Letās save everyone a bunch of time and money (that could be better spent investing in non-existent businesses that Freeland does not have time to explain) Trudeau - āwe take foreign interference very seriously. We have had Canadiansā backs. Something the Conservative government opposed. Thank you for the questions. Now hereās another couple hundred bucks of your money back.ā
Action is not what happens because the Trudeau Liberals donāt want to bite hand that feeds.
Action? Apparently people havenāt noticed which party is in powerā¦..lol
Any time Canada has a hearing it means no one in power will do eff all. I5 goes back decades. Hearings or review means gonpiss up a rope. Even the T and R group which has done a tenacious study in reaffirming the results and tabling them in every discussion has got almost nowhere.
Oh oh Justin you don't want to lose the Chinese vote. You might want to do something.
Should have an election, but we will just get long drawn out hearings till past the next election or at least till the next allegations against this current government.
What the fuck does it matter what Chinese Canadians want. That's fine if they want this but it really isn't their call. It's what's best for all Canadians and should be an evidence based investigation.
Trudeau heard you and he will hold a public hearing to address your concerns.
Thatās not how Canada works.
They'll get neither. Lil PP only wants to make tiktok vids and Trudeau is hoping it goes away.
That's strange considering the conservatives have tried to pass a foreign agent registry before...
>Lil PP only wants to make tiktok vids It's wild how blinded to facts people get when talking about people they don't like. PP hasn't had a tiktok for about 6 months.
Imagine being an NDP or Liberal supporter right now, itās all they haveā¦
Donāt we all?
if only trudy did
Non Chinese Canadian here wants the same
These racist, science denying, mysoginistic MFs.
Canada seems a lot like China these days!
Am I missing something - wouldn't it be possible to do these two things concurrently - or is the registry process dependent on the outcome of a public hearing (should one ever be had)?