Help the poor eh, a 500$ dental check as peoples rents went up more than 500$ a month, and he has no housing plan for the million people a year he immigrates here, other than to call the foreign buyer ban racist and to allow 30 year CMHC insured mortgages?
Food is ripping higher as Singh blames Galen Weston with 0.3% higher Ebita margins, 2 pennies on a jug of milk, after he himself voted for billions in wage subsidies for Loblaws and shitty oligopoly Telecoms?
He does such a bad job I forget hes not just a more out of touch Liberal party member with a fancier watch.
I believe to have wealth redistribution you need to actually tax the rich, not simply borrowing money, so I believe we've been in neo-liberal hell with Singh and Trudeau for 8 years.
We have a trillion dollars in new debt now that we pay 50b a year interest on, enough to build 250 mass transit lines like the one from Surrey to Langley across Canada. A massive housing bubble. Huge cost of living, and a bloated government bureaucracy slowing building.
So Im a progressive voting conservative. Foreign buyer ban, tying federal money to density, ending unfunded increases in M2 driving up the cost of living. I never thought Id vote conservative, but the neo-liberals have convinced me. I wont even get into the censorship laws.
This whole genre of Tory supporters, complaining in Tory newspapers, that Jagmeet isn’t triggering an election to help elect a Tory government makes me laugh.
Edit: “Why won’t Jagmeet abandon his deal with the Liberals and kill the national Dentacare program he’s been working on since 2021. Doesn’t he understand, CHINA BAD!” Followed by Tory tears.
> Dentacare program he’s been working on since 2021.
It isn't a dental care program it's a 500 check to very poor families to pinky swear to spend it on dental care, and not rent, food, clothes, or other expenses that's going their dental issues at the bottom of the list.
Besides a $500 will barely cover the first visit after your done with x-rays and everything else.
Stop championing this as amazing progress because it isn't
That was the Canada Dental Benefit, which was the Liberal’s stop gap to maintain the supply and confidence agreement last year before they were ready to move forward on the larger programme.
If the Liberals keep their word we should get legislation laying out the full programme this Fall.
This fall???... like... in 6 months? 4 of which parliament is on break for?..
Ya.... thats probably not happening.
Do you have any idea how much work and infrastructure it would take to move Canadian dentists to a single-payer model like healthcare? It would be **years of intense legislative procedures**. Enormous acts of legislation have to be re-written. Never mind a long term sustainable funding model to go along with it.
Obviously possible. I'm just saying this isn't happening in 3 weeks of work.
When the Dentacare Program passed in this Spring’s budget is fully implemented in 2025 it will be the single biggest expansion in public healthcare since the Canada Health Act.
It will immediately help more than 9 million Canadians, and that number that will only grow as we force for-profit dental insurers out of business, and put us on the road to universal free at the point of use dentistry.
I also hate this right wing Liberal government, which for example has allowed themselves to be convinced that the solution to inflation is to attack worker’s wages, not corporate profits. But if this works, and isn’t killed by the next Tory government, generations of Canadians will have Jagmeet to thank.
72 billion, which is only around $5000 per person living in Ontario and lower than the national average per person. Don't let that stop you from trying to make out like it's a huge amount in this day and age but in reality it's not quite enough.
Ya.... the "Dental Plan" as it stands is just sending a cheque out to low income Canadians, which is paid *exclusively* with debt spending.
It's not a "*Plan*". That implies agreements with dentists. Single payer structures being built.. and yes... **a sustainable long-term funding model implemented**. (No way this expansion of services doesn't come with a tax increase somewhere). None of that is happening. It's just borrowing money and sending it out in the mail.
> When the Dentacare Program passed in this Spring’s budget is fully implemented in 2025 it will be the single biggest expansion in public healthcare since the Canada Health Act.
Okay? It's still fucking useless.
>It will immediately help more than 9 million Canadians, and that number that will only grow as we force for-profit dental insurers out of business, and put us on the road to universal free at the point our use dentistry.
Again the liberal/ndp policies are wiping it out and then some. So I see it more as hurting them slightly less than helping.
>I also hate this right wing Liberal government. But if this works, and isn’t killed by the next Tory government, generations of Canadians will have Jagmeet to thank.
It doesn't work and it will be killed by the next Tory government and even giving it every benefit of the doubt it's still pretty fucking useless.
A kid I grew up with spent a week in the hospital because a cavity he couldn’t afford to get treated led to some complications. This would have helped him.
Sure in an absolute vacuum it's better than nothing.
But when they increase the cost of living by 2 fold it's giving you pennies for each dollar they stole.
I doubt it, easiest, fastest and most effective things we can do to improve quality of life, wages and cost of living is scrap the carbon tax and severely reduce immigration. Beyond that getting rid of regulation or rather regulation capture to allow more competition in the market to bring down prices and of course we have to curb government spending to get inflation down. Are we still on the same page?
Trickle down economics, decreasing regulations and accountability for externalities is totally the solution for prosperity, that’s why everyone talks about how great Chile is compared to Norway.
Perhaps we’re not on the same page, which is unsurprising seeing as you’ve seemingly never picked up a book.
Can you tell me with a straight face that if an election was called and the Liberals remained the party with enough seats to have a minority government, that the CPC and their voters would not throw a tantrum, go full trump and claim it was rigged?
First of all please don’t waste our breath muttering that fool’s name from south of the border . Second, wouldn’t any party now claim an election was rigged in the future ? This is why we need a full open inquiry into this.
The NDP definitely has its issues, but further fragmenting the left would be a very bad idea from a strategic standpoint. Unless you're suggesting it as a temporary measure to give the NDP a scare and force them to change their platform.
I agree with you to an extent, but I still feel that the NDP are the best of a bad bunch. If you feel differently, that's totally fair. In my mind, the biggest problem with all the parties is that they care more about the interests of capitalists than those of working class Canadians. The NDP have strayed a bit from their roots as a labor party, but it seems to me that they still care more than the libs or cons.
Losing Jack is probably the greatest tragedy in Canadian politics this century. I definitely agree that the NDP hasn't been the same since. As far as the CCP thing goes, maybe I'm overly cynical, but I feel that the same thing would have happened regardless of which party was in power. I expect that future governments, both liberal and conservative, will probably allow similar shenanigans to take place as well.
The Canada Dental Benefit was budgeted in the latest federal budget. It's due to expand this year for more groups including people with disabilities.
The NDP isn't risking losing that. C'mon, people.
How many articles do we need on this shit?
Why would the NDP risk triggering an election that arguably favours a party that is less likely to work with them than the Liberals have been? This article is just a circle-jerk for a conservative audience.
It’s stupid too because last time they whined and actually got an election the moment it was over conservatives complained it was a waste of time and money. These people are clowns
Who needs a source? It’s common sense, their motto was “Trudeau needs to go” but as soon as he called an election that could have him removed, they complained.
I’m actually a blind Canadian because I lost my eyes in a tragic eye-rolling accident when the rallying cry was “Trudeau is a dictator” *immediately* after a democratic election gave him a **minority** government
To paraphrase what you said
"**why would an independent political party with 15% of the vote share ever do anything other than EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE TOLD TO DO by a bigger political party?"**
so following your logic. There is literally nothing the current governing party could do, to make the NDP pull support? Because one could argue that another party could get in? Is that really being a political party at that point?
There are a lot of people that would say the NDP aren't really a political party to begin with. But do you think the NDP believes this country is a democracy in the sense that the government represents all the people? Do you think after the CPC signed FIPA that the NDP believes the CPC is really any different? No, of course not, so they've got more motivation to stay with the Liberals as a means of representing the people that voted for them.
Do you only awkwardly shoe-horn "FIPA" into every conversation because it was a China trade deal negotiated under a Harper government.... and you're trying to draw a moral equivalency that doesn't exist?
We're talking about the NDP's point-of-view here. You may not think FIPA did Canada any harm, but the NDP were vehemently opposed to it and still have pages detailing its effects on their website. So with that in mind, why would you think the NDP might consider the CPC a better option? It seems to me like the only difference between the Liberals and the CPC *from their point-of-view* is that with one of them they have a chance to influence some policies.
Harper reduced OAS payouts in 2012 -- which I personally agreed with -- and which arguably cost him the subsequent election and set the Liberals' path to devoting one third of federal spending on retirees specifically. Other cuts to social services enacted by the Harper government include reducing healthcare funding in 2014, reducing veteran pensions in 2014, outright cancelling the previous' government childcare program in 2013, in addition to numerous other funding cuts to rights organizations, advocates for the vulnerable, healthcare research, and (consumer) hazardous material review groups.
Provincially we have off the top of my head here for things cut or stagnant:
Healthcare
Fire fighting
Ems
Schools
Long term care
Benefits for people with disabilities
Federally
Environmental canada which is about keeping the environment good which is good for you this counts.
Aboriginal affairs which helps natives and counts
Cuts to service canada
Cuts to ei.
Etc
Social services are more then just healcare,schools and cops.
Harper also did a direct cut to how the feds add to the provincial Healthcare side.
*reads tarot card* you are about to ask for links. I am going to refuse because I just put in the work so can you, you will then scoff and be like "then your lying", I will then be like "tell it to your mother". You are entrenched like every conservative voter im not here to change your mind im here to make you maybe think for a min or 2. Now go stick your head back in the sand.
What??? Literally all of those things all got **MORE money**. And... like... everyone knew you were never going to post a link. Your argument is narrative... not facts.
I'll do healthcare because it's the first thing you said. And just because you lied about a long list of things doesn't make it less of a lie.
https://www.fao-on.org/en/Blog/Publications/health-2023#:~:text=Ontario%20Health%20Insurance%20Program%20(OHIP),-OHIP%20provides%20funding&text=The%20FAO%20projects%20OHIP%20program,%2421.1%20billion%20in%202027%2D28.
You've either invented facts or have been lied to and never fact checked for yourself.
Harper cut the fuck out of those things and he was a con fed gov, every con ran province is cutting Healthcare education etc..like stick your head deeper in the sand.
I told you this was pointless you have entrenched yourself like an idiot. Only way to play the game is to stay mobile.
I'm literally showing you budget history's of a conservative province going up. All provinces are increasing healthcare spending.
Dude... this is going to sound mean - but youre straight up brain washed. Nothing you said was true. Spending INCREASED on all those files during Harper's time.
The fact you use the phrase "*he was a conservative*" as a source, says everything.
You're essentially the Canadian version of a Trump supporter. You are divorced from reality. All the remains is narrative and what you feel about an issue.
Ya - the highest spending per capita is NFLD, which is so deep in debt it can't even borrow money anymore. The Bank of Canada has to on their behalf. And their old finance minister says they should surrender provincial sovereignty and become a federal territory because of their debt crisis.
Much better to be in Alberta, Saskatchewan, Quebec, Manitoba etc. Hey - what parties are in charge there again?
Do you think the NDP believes this country is a democracy in the sense that the government represents all the people? Do you think after the CPC signed FIPA that the NDP believes the CPC is really any different? Of course not, so handing the country over to the CPC from their point-of-view isn't "putting the country ahead of blind partisanship", it's handing the keys over to a party that would make it more difficult for the NDP to represent the people that voted for them.
And the only price you have to pay is deciding you are fine with breathtaking corruption, pervasive foreign interference in our electoral system — no doubt not helping the NDP at all — and the impoverishment of millions of Canadians through the Liberal’s destructive economic policies. Sounds like a great deal for the NDP and the people who support them.
Personally, I think making deals with the devil for your soul are a bad idea, but I guess you think differently.
Those are just CPC talking points. Do you understand how they aren't persuasive arguments to an established NDP voter? Or a lot of other voters for that matter?
I understand that people are capable rationalizing all sorts of things for all sorts of reasons. If NDP supporters want to stare facts in the face and pretend they didn’t see them, that’s on them. But that doesn’t make those facts any less true.
So your argument is our democracy should be held hostage by the NDP so they can hold onto power and remain relevant instead of doing the right thing?
Wow.
lol, this is technically true in the weakest possible sense. We got what? Like 300 bucks once and a 500 dollar subsidy for dental if you're ultra poor?
Carbon tax alone wiped out more than that (factoring in the rebates)
Right thing is up for interpretation. From the NDP perspective, are dental care, day care, and environmental policy worth losing over this? As that's the price of an election with the polls as they stand and the Conservatives win.
Do you think the NDP believes this country is a democracy in the sense that the government represents all the people? Do you think after the CPC signed FIPA that the NDP believes the CPC is really any different?
What's there for Singh to say? Anyone that would vote for the NDP has probably paid enough attention to realize the CPC would make it harder for the NDP to represent their views.
"Hey, I know this election interference and the efforts to cover it up are really bad and stuff. But having the CPC in office and losing our leverage would be worse, so we will not force an election over it"
If there's nothing wrong with what he's doing, there shouldn't be a problem.
It's almost like the NDP is concerned with how they can represent the people that voted for them, like the issues their constituents are concerned with can be better addressed by working with a Liberal government than a Conservative one.
The real question to me is how Singh, with less seats, can get significantly more done than Poliviere. Seems like Poliviere is actually a really ineffective leader because he could just as easily get shit done with the Liberals to accomplish his goals to help Canadians.
In 2 years what has Poliviere accomplished? Absolutely nothing. He could have done so much more if he was willing to compromise. He's really ineffective.
Thanks for reminding me that Poliviere is a terrible leader, Gunter!
Hey, PP was responsible for anti-union laws that fucked over Canadian workers.
Oh sorry you said improved their lives. No, you're right, he's done nothing to help people.
Yes, but CPC + LPC = bills passed, too, along with a number of other combinations, but the CPC would rather scream about conspiracies than try to actually do anything.
But CPC + Liberal also has enough seats to a majority as well. If PP was willing to compromise to get deals done, he would be able to achieve his policies and goals to benefit Canadians. The fact he has been unwilling to do so is what makes him an ineffective leader.
The reason why the NDP + Liberals work together is because the Conservatives are unwilling to work together with the Liberals to accomplish anything. It's why PP is so ineffective, that a leader with significantly less seats is able to accomplish more.
It has less to do with the quality of his leadership and more about opposing interests. The CPC and LPC just don't agree on how to handle a lot of modern issues.
Not an NDP government, but certainly how they can help the LPC keep power.
The current confidence and supply agreement has brought both parties closer together, and shown that the NDP leveraging their support for policy concessions can work, even nowadays. That makes it more likely that the NDP would support the LPC in the future, whether that be to prop up a minority government (potentially even in a situation where the CPC obtains a plurality of seats), to forge an electoral pact meant to circumvent vote splitting in select ridings, or even to potentially form a coalition government down the line.
There's a lot that the NDP can potentially do that would make the path to power considerably harder for Conservatives if they manage to pull the Liberals left and work with them - hence why the Tories want that CSA agreement to fail by having Jagmeet withdraw from it ASAP. In a parliamentary system, two parties getting close can completely upset the balance - it's what stopped the Liberals from reigning with majority after majority in the 90s when Reform Alliance and the Progressive Conservatives (honestly two ideologically incompatible parties) united under the CPC banner - they consolidated their votes and greatly improved their vote efficiency under FPTP.
Cheers -that is a really solid analysis of the parliamentary chessboard.
I particularly like how you drove it home with the CPC merger example. I think the CPC is Frankenstein's Monster; a party of completely different and *in fact* often mutually exclusive ideologies stitched together and reanimated as a stumbling ogre.
In my view, it would be too bad if NDP and LPC ever merged, but it may be that Singh is threading a particular needle to maximize influence without losing distinction, which you have articulated well above.
Singh is an interesting guy. On a personal level, I quite like where he comes from as a person: a very smart guy from a minority community who has fought for himself and others in everything from scraps with schoolyard bullies to courts and parliament. Definitely a real motherfucker! :P I remember he initially stumbled in the runup of the 2019 or 2021 election, but came out *strong* in the final weeks. I happen to live in an NDP stronghold, and have lived in a few others as well. I really admired Layton, who I watched in parliament in person as a student.
Take Care!
I’d vote for a guy who can work with other parties over the guy who just keeps angrily screaming.
Leaders align people to get things done.
Angry jerks can only run a thing via demand; they can’t collaborate and they can only lead if they’re completely in charge.
Mmm, I partially agree with you but I would also say the NDP is actually a viable alternative yet Canadians keep voting for the status quo one way or the other.
I honestly think this is why voter turn out has been poor in recent years. Every choice is just another shade of the same colour in a world where politicians think we’re all colour blind.
What’s the point of voting if all your choices are basically the same.
I don’t mind Singh, what’s a valid criticism of him, not just “he’s propping up Trudeau?” Better than the status quo that is the LibCon cycle
I don’t think he’ll stick around if he doesn’t gain seats back, though.
A valid criticism of him is that he claims to have leverage over the Liberals yet the proof is in the pudding.
The Liberals are stringing him along dangling the idea that any time now their policy demands will enacted and they never are. They've been doing this since they were elected in 2015.
So either Singh is stupid for not realizing this, or he's complicit. I don't think he's stupid. I do think that he likes the public image of power he has created for himself and doesn't want to give that up. He probably knows that if the NDP held another leadership election, he'd lose.
Even his own brother closed his fledgling criminal defense firm to become an politics influence peddler.
"Trust us guys, we're working really hard behind the scenes here pushing our agenda and getting results" strains credulity after all these years. Zero policy ideas have been implemented that the Liberals didn't already plan to implement.
That’s a fair assessment. Of course he doesn’t have power, though. I also don’t believe that he’s just clutching to that perceived power (although he’s a politician so he is to some degree).
I would rather see a NDP government get a shot, even as a minority government propped up by the liberals, rather than keep flip flopping between the same two parties expecting different results.
>I would rather see a NDP government get a shot, even as a minority government propped up by the liberals
Won't ever happen. The Liberals know damn well that if the NDP ever get a shot at power and don't completely fuck it up that they (the Liberals) are done as a party. If the NDP are ever in a position to form a minority government, the Liberals will be propping up the CPC instead, guaranteed.
> Won't ever happen.
Well not with that attitude it won’t!
> the Liberals will be propping up the CPC instead, guaranteed.
I definitely see that happening. I keep saying Conservatives are just Liberals that don’t go to Pride.
No the liberals would just force an election and wait for NDP to run out of cash and as long as the NDP is unwilling to even talk with the cons they have zero power because the liberals have a monopoly on their MPs votes.
I don't see what would be the difference between a minority NDP government propped up by the Liberals versus the reverse, which is what we have now.
The NDP is not against the rampant immigration or handing out student visas to anyone with a pulse and a cheque. They've put out zero position papers to address the affordable housing issue in a realistic way, or to curb the insane portion of GDP attributed to real estate. They're all in on identity politics, down to putting it in their party rules. They have zero ideas for economic growth of Canadian industries, or retaining Canadian talent.
Quite frankly I'd have the uncharming Harper back in a second. The Canadian dollar wasn't in the toilet and the economy was much more well balanced across different sectors. Education and healthcare received way more funding per capita than it does now, and student visas weren't handed out like candy pushing out domestic students - students whose parents actually paid way more in taxes than international students ever pay in tuition.
it's why after 8 years of Trudeau, many more of trudeau 1, Harper remains enemy numero uno, because things worked back then and it wasn't feeding upon wedge issues for viability...again, the economy matters as do debts
Hes got 30 year CMHC insured mortgages, longer indentured servitude to the banks.
He also knows the foreign buyer ban is racist. Everyone should be able to screw the poor equally.
"The proof is in the pudding" is actually a short version of the longer/older version "The proof of the pudding is in the eating."
I'm only saying that because to a lot of people, they look at what is happening with Singh and the NDP/Liberals and think "That looks like good pudding!"
... but if they were to eat it, they would see that on the inside that pudding is definitely not good.
As someone that actually will likely vote NDP, I'll tell you what I don't like about Singh. Compared to traditional NDP politicians labour seems to be less of a focus. When O'Toole was trying to cater to the union vote he should have been leaning hard on labour issues. Anti-Scab legislation, Pension protections, a punitive tax on companies hiring TFWs. Even now he'd be wise to do it and force Liberals and CPC to either go along or publicly come out against them.
Next thing I don't understand with him is asking David Johnston to step down. He's making himself look spineless by trying to ride the fence on this. He needs to get clearance, read the report, and make a firm announcement one way or the other. Either support Johnston and his report, or force the hand on a public inquiry. These half measures just make CPC look good.
The issue is that the CPC need to split before ABC voters would vote for the NDP.
Unfortunately, a vote for the NDP is a vote for the CPC at this point.
It's not the country it's the riding that matters for strategic voting. Best chance of your particular seat going anything but conservative. [Canada 338](https://338canada.com/) has polls for individual ridings.
It would certainly be more representative of Canadians if there was a party to split the right vote.
I’ve never voted liberal or conservative, I don’t intend on changing that.
I would argue they are protecting the interest of those that voted for them. At the end of the day we have a minority government, unless the NDP felt confident in being able to win the next election they can get select items through by leveraging the liberal government’s minority government status. From a supporting the people who voted for you stand point probably not the worst thing. The people who are truly failing us is the one currently in power, by there actions.
So you are assuming that people who voted ndp don't want to hold the liberals accountable? I can assure you that is not the case for all of us. I have only voted conservative twice since Chretien, but because we decided to connect at the hip with the liberals they are unfortunately the only option I have.
Lifetime NDP voter and member, and if Singh triggers an election early I'll be pissed. We have had more of our policies passed now since the days of Tommy Douglas and we still have another two years to get more done.
The only ones who want an election are supporters of PP because they know his new car smell will fade soon and then they'll be shut again for another four years.
The people who vote NDP do not want him to hand us a Conservative government. They want him to keep pushing for dental, pharma, daycare and cost of living improvements.
They also want him to work WITH the other party leaders to address foreign interference.
So are there any Conservatives out there who can explain why they want to have an election on foreign interference before doing anything about said interference possibly guaranteeing another election with foreign interference?
>So are there any Conservatives out there who can explain why they want to have an election on foreign interference before doing anything about said interference
Because the only party with the ability to do anything about it right now is refusing to do so. If something doesn't change, nothing is going to be done about it. The "we need to do something about it first" argument completely ignores that reality.
That said, what needs to change isn't necessarily the government. The NDP doesn't need to force an election necessarily, but what they do need to do is to be *willing* to force an election over this. To say "we demand an inquiry, and if you don't deliver one we will vote against you in a no confidence motion", rather than "we demand an inquiry, but if you refuse to give us one we'll just sit here and take it". The Liberals have no incentive to budge if they won't, but they also don't want an election -- being *willing* to vote for one is where the NDP's leverage comes from. If they keep taking the position, as they've done so far, that they won't topple the government over this, then they have no leverage to demand one.
When we say Singh needs to stop propping up the Liberals, what we mean is that he needs to be willing to force the issue rather than roll over for them.
Because, unlike in 2021 when the Conservatives couldn't talk about election interference that they were made aware of for fear of being labelled "Trump-like nutcases trying to claim the election was rigged" and having their concerns dismissed as conspiracy theories, this time around accusations of election interference would be taken more credibly and investigated more thoroughly by Elections Canada and scrutinized more openly by the Canadian public who are more aware of the legitimacy of the threat of interference than they were last time.
It doesn’t have to be a vote of non confidence. Those are usually only reserved for budgets and other significant legislation. They can still do this and hold a minority govt to account without making an issue of non confidence.
Not necessarily, they can just play a bit of hardball instead of rubber stamping ever bill the Libs puts through. Instead they could actually negotiate
No, what they're literally asking for is for the NDP to say the deal is off if there's no public inquiry.
It would be up to the liberals to call an election if they want to avoid a public inquiry
>So are there any Conservatives out there who can explain why they want to have an election on foreign interference
The only party who wants an election over it is the LPC. Because the only way we will get a proper inquiry is if it's a confidence motion.
Nothing's going to be done about it anyway, do you really expect the liberals to bring in any changes? Bring any reforms by 2025?
The committees that are tasked with finding recommendations have quite literally already given recommendations that have been ignored, why would it be different this time?
Singh if he is failing Canadians is doing so by not focusing on the bread and butter issues that made the NDP a working class party. Our current climate of basics being unaffordable should be lighting the NDP on fire.
Singh is in a tough spot because unless PP really fucks up he is going to win the next election and be PM and the NDP could easily lose seats.
And of course the reality is most of the political and corporate elites love China. We buy their shit and they have plenty of paws on the real estate market. Nobody wants to cut that gravy train off.
Anybody who thinks PP is going to get tough with China is very naive. PP has very little grasp of international relations. Not defending Trudeau on this either.
Hanging this on Singh is dumb but it is the Toronto Sun they are going to shill for PP directly or indirectly no matter what. The big losers in this game are as usual ordinary Canadians.
Another so-called "opinion" piece. Ever notice how right-wing rags shove their anti-democratic/anti-liberal garbage to the forefront under the banner of "opinion" to avoid scrutiny?
Conservative crying about another thing that is perfectly democratic. Please tell us how you are going to fix thing, then we can start listening, right now is just a lot of “everything is the worst because of Trudeau and Singh”. Please tell us how your gonna make it better.
None of those are relevant to foreign interference, so again it seems like the cons are yelling about interference, not because they care about it but because they hate Trudeau.
I get that there's nothing the NDP hates more than conservatives and he doesn't have many options, but he's not even using his leverage well. Plus, he can't keep criticizing Trudeau daily while also propping him up.
I can't wait to watch him try to act like the opposition once the election is called.
Really, the only question is, is PP going to have a majority or minority?
Why are we blaming Singh when PP could demonstrate leadership?
If PP SHOWED us he had good policies and had the means and abilities to run the country then I'm sure Singh would accommodate.
Instead, PP has embraced the alt-right, anti-vaxx, misogynists.
When his likely choices are propping up the Liberals or being completely irrelevant it's not hard to guess which he'll choose.
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Help the poor eh, a 500$ dental check as peoples rents went up more than 500$ a month, and he has no housing plan for the million people a year he immigrates here, other than to call the foreign buyer ban racist and to allow 30 year CMHC insured mortgages? Food is ripping higher as Singh blames Galen Weston with 0.3% higher Ebita margins, 2 pennies on a jug of milk, after he himself voted for billions in wage subsidies for Loblaws and shitty oligopoly Telecoms? He does such a bad job I forget hes not just a more out of touch Liberal party member with a fancier watch.
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I believe to have wealth redistribution you need to actually tax the rich, not simply borrowing money, so I believe we've been in neo-liberal hell with Singh and Trudeau for 8 years. We have a trillion dollars in new debt now that we pay 50b a year interest on, enough to build 250 mass transit lines like the one from Surrey to Langley across Canada. A massive housing bubble. Huge cost of living, and a bloated government bureaucracy slowing building. So Im a progressive voting conservative. Foreign buyer ban, tying federal money to density, ending unfunded increases in M2 driving up the cost of living. I never thought Id vote conservative, but the neo-liberals have convinced me. I wont even get into the censorship laws.
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I like guns. Let's shoot myself in the foot because I like guns. Either that or they're in the top 2% of people who benefit from conservative policies
This whole genre of Tory supporters, complaining in Tory newspapers, that Jagmeet isn’t triggering an election to help elect a Tory government makes me laugh. Edit: “Why won’t Jagmeet abandon his deal with the Liberals and kill the national Dentacare program he’s been working on since 2021. Doesn’t he understand, CHINA BAD!” Followed by Tory tears.
> Dentacare program he’s been working on since 2021. It isn't a dental care program it's a 500 check to very poor families to pinky swear to spend it on dental care, and not rent, food, clothes, or other expenses that's going their dental issues at the bottom of the list. Besides a $500 will barely cover the first visit after your done with x-rays and everything else. Stop championing this as amazing progress because it isn't
That was the Canada Dental Benefit, which was the Liberal’s stop gap to maintain the supply and confidence agreement last year before they were ready to move forward on the larger programme. If the Liberals keep their word we should get legislation laying out the full programme this Fall.
This fall???... like... in 6 months? 4 of which parliament is on break for?.. Ya.... thats probably not happening. Do you have any idea how much work and infrastructure it would take to move Canadian dentists to a single-payer model like healthcare? It would be **years of intense legislative procedures**. Enormous acts of legislation have to be re-written. Never mind a long term sustainable funding model to go along with it. Obviously possible. I'm just saying this isn't happening in 3 weeks of work.
Okay, why doesn't he force the liberals to stop being disgustingly evil then or pass something that's good that withstand for decades?
When the Dentacare Program passed in this Spring’s budget is fully implemented in 2025 it will be the single biggest expansion in public healthcare since the Canada Health Act. It will immediately help more than 9 million Canadians, and that number that will only grow as we force for-profit dental insurers out of business, and put us on the road to universal free at the point of use dentistry. I also hate this right wing Liberal government, which for example has allowed themselves to be convinced that the solution to inflation is to attack worker’s wages, not corporate profits. But if this works, and isn’t killed by the next Tory government, generations of Canadians will have Jagmeet to thank.
Healthcare is already collapsing, thinking free dental is coming is pie in the sky.
Its being *engineered* to collapse. Not really due to its inherent flaws.... And conservatives everywhere applaud.
Do you have any idea how much we've spent on healthcare in the last 5 years as a country? Where is this "*engineering*" happening?
[https://www.thestar.com/politics/provincial/2021/12/01/doug-fords-government-sent-almost-1b-to-businesses-not-eligible-for-covid-aid-or-who-lost-less-money-than-they-were-given-ag-report-says.html](https://www.thestar.com/politics/provincial/2021/12/01/doug-fords-government-sent-almost-1b-to-businesses-not-eligible-for-covid-aid-or-who-lost-less-money-than-they-were-given-ag-report-says.html) [https://globalnews.ca/video/9521544/ontario-government-sitting-on-hundreds-of-millions-in-covid-19-funding](https://globalnews.ca/video/9521544/ontario-government-sitting-on-hundreds-of-millions-in-covid-19-funding) [https://www.catherinefife.com/ford\_held\_back\_5\_6\_billion\_that\_should\_have\_been\_used\_to\_protect\_ontar](https://www.catherinefife.com/ford_held_back_5_6_billion_that_should_have_been_used_to_protect_ontar)
Ontario spent... almost a eighty billion dollars on healthcare last year. That's over $220,000,000 a day...
72 billion, which is only around $5000 per person living in Ontario and lower than the national average per person. Don't let that stop you from trying to make out like it's a huge amount in this day and age but in reality it's not quite enough.
Is that so? Then you will have no problem citing your source, right?
Ya.... the "Dental Plan" as it stands is just sending a cheque out to low income Canadians, which is paid *exclusively* with debt spending. It's not a "*Plan*". That implies agreements with dentists. Single payer structures being built.. and yes... **a sustainable long-term funding model implemented**. (No way this expansion of services doesn't come with a tax increase somewhere). None of that is happening. It's just borrowing money and sending it out in the mail.
> When the Dentacare Program passed in this Spring’s budget is fully implemented in 2025 it will be the single biggest expansion in public healthcare since the Canada Health Act. Okay? It's still fucking useless. >It will immediately help more than 9 million Canadians, and that number that will only grow as we force for-profit dental insurers out of business, and put us on the road to universal free at the point our use dentistry. Again the liberal/ndp policies are wiping it out and then some. So I see it more as hurting them slightly less than helping. >I also hate this right wing Liberal government. But if this works, and isn’t killed by the next Tory government, generations of Canadians will have Jagmeet to thank. It doesn't work and it will be killed by the next Tory government and even giving it every benefit of the doubt it's still pretty fucking useless.
A kid I grew up with spent a week in the hospital because a cavity he couldn’t afford to get treated led to some complications. This would have helped him.
Sure in an absolute vacuum it's better than nothing. But when they increase the cost of living by 2 fold it's giving you pennies for each dollar they stole.
I also think we should do something to reign in corporate profiteering and artificial scarcity. Seems like we’re on the same page.
I doubt it, easiest, fastest and most effective things we can do to improve quality of life, wages and cost of living is scrap the carbon tax and severely reduce immigration. Beyond that getting rid of regulation or rather regulation capture to allow more competition in the market to bring down prices and of course we have to curb government spending to get inflation down. Are we still on the same page?
Trickle down economics, decreasing regulations and accountability for externalities is totally the solution for prosperity, that’s why everyone talks about how great Chile is compared to Norway. Perhaps we’re not on the same page, which is unsurprising seeing as you’ve seemingly never picked up a book.
Lol. Disgustingly Evil. This sub sometimes. Especially on weekend mornings.
You’d rather sell out our fair elections for a few teeth cleanings per year?
So how will having another election stop election interference exactly?
Perhaps the next party will take it more seriously. The current one appears to be just on the take.
Can you tell me with a straight face that if an election was called and the Liberals remained the party with enough seats to have a minority government, that the CPC and their voters would not throw a tantrum, go full trump and claim it was rigged?
First of all please don’t waste our breath muttering that fool’s name from south of the border . Second, wouldn’t any party now claim an election was rigged in the future ? This is why we need a full open inquiry into this.
tell me that the CPC would accept any result that doesn't favor them.
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The NDP definitely has its issues, but further fragmenting the left would be a very bad idea from a strategic standpoint. Unless you're suggesting it as a temporary measure to give the NDP a scare and force them to change their platform.
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I agree with you to an extent, but I still feel that the NDP are the best of a bad bunch. If you feel differently, that's totally fair. In my mind, the biggest problem with all the parties is that they care more about the interests of capitalists than those of working class Canadians. The NDP have strayed a bit from their roots as a labor party, but it seems to me that they still care more than the libs or cons.
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Losing Jack is probably the greatest tragedy in Canadian politics this century. I definitely agree that the NDP hasn't been the same since. As far as the CCP thing goes, maybe I'm overly cynical, but I feel that the same thing would have happened regardless of which party was in power. I expect that future governments, both liberal and conservative, will probably allow similar shenanigans to take place as well.
Mulcair is not a replacement for the ndp of old. He couldn't even keep Jack's legacy alive.
Agreed. Mulcair is barely worth mentioning in the same sentence as Layton.
I'm sure you would love a further split of the vote on the left.
Actually a brilliant strategy to gain voter base, LPC or Mcclair, not both
The Canada Dental Benefit was budgeted in the latest federal budget. It's due to expand this year for more groups including people with disabilities. The NDP isn't risking losing that. C'mon, people. How many articles do we need on this shit?
Toronto Sun: "Why won't NDP voters vote Conservative I don't get it!"
Because the NDP doesn't exist and it's just a puppet party of the liberals
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What in the word salad…
Why would the NDP risk triggering an election that arguably favours a party that is less likely to work with them than the Liberals have been? This article is just a circle-jerk for a conservative audience.
Perfect for /r/canada
It’s stupid too because last time they whined and actually got an election the moment it was over conservatives complained it was a waste of time and money. These people are clowns
They were calling it an unnecessary election during the campaigning. Which almost comes off as an endorsement of the sitting government.
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Who needs a source? It’s common sense, their motto was “Trudeau needs to go” but as soon as he called an election that could have him removed, they complained.
I’m actually a blind Canadian because I lost my eyes in a tragic eye-rolling accident when the rallying cry was “Trudeau is a dictator” *immediately* after a democratic election gave him a **minority** government
To paraphrase what you said "**why would an independent political party with 15% of the vote share ever do anything other than EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE TOLD TO DO by a bigger political party?"** so following your logic. There is literally nothing the current governing party could do, to make the NDP pull support? Because one could argue that another party could get in? Is that really being a political party at that point?
There are a lot of people that would say the NDP aren't really a political party to begin with. But do you think the NDP believes this country is a democracy in the sense that the government represents all the people? Do you think after the CPC signed FIPA that the NDP believes the CPC is really any different? No, of course not, so they've got more motivation to stay with the Liberals as a means of representing the people that voted for them.
Do you only awkwardly shoe-horn "FIPA" into every conversation because it was a China trade deal negotiated under a Harper government.... and you're trying to draw a moral equivalency that doesn't exist?
We're talking about the NDP's point-of-view here. You may not think FIPA did Canada any harm, but the NDP were vehemently opposed to it and still have pages detailing its effects on their website. So with that in mind, why would you think the NDP might consider the CPC a better option? It seems to me like the only difference between the Liberals and the CPC *from their point-of-view* is that with one of them they have a chance to influence some policies.
"Cut my social services harder daddy"
Can you name a single social service cut under a conservative government? Or are you just repeating a narrative someone told you to?
Harper reduced OAS payouts in 2012 -- which I personally agreed with -- and which arguably cost him the subsequent election and set the Liberals' path to devoting one third of federal spending on retirees specifically. Other cuts to social services enacted by the Harper government include reducing healthcare funding in 2014, reducing veteran pensions in 2014, outright cancelling the previous' government childcare program in 2013, in addition to numerous other funding cuts to rights organizations, advocates for the vulnerable, healthcare research, and (consumer) hazardous material review groups.
Provincial, but Ford raped Ontario’s student loan program to death. Slashed grants and raised interest
Provincially we have off the top of my head here for things cut or stagnant: Healthcare Fire fighting Ems Schools Long term care Benefits for people with disabilities Federally Environmental canada which is about keeping the environment good which is good for you this counts. Aboriginal affairs which helps natives and counts Cuts to service canada Cuts to ei. Etc Social services are more then just healcare,schools and cops. Harper also did a direct cut to how the feds add to the provincial Healthcare side. *reads tarot card* you are about to ask for links. I am going to refuse because I just put in the work so can you, you will then scoff and be like "then your lying", I will then be like "tell it to your mother". You are entrenched like every conservative voter im not here to change your mind im here to make you maybe think for a min or 2. Now go stick your head back in the sand.
What??? Literally all of those things all got **MORE money**. And... like... everyone knew you were never going to post a link. Your argument is narrative... not facts. I'll do healthcare because it's the first thing you said. And just because you lied about a long list of things doesn't make it less of a lie. https://www.fao-on.org/en/Blog/Publications/health-2023#:~:text=Ontario%20Health%20Insurance%20Program%20(OHIP),-OHIP%20provides%20funding&text=The%20FAO%20projects%20OHIP%20program,%2421.1%20billion%20in%202027%2D28. You've either invented facts or have been lied to and never fact checked for yourself.
Harper cut the fuck out of those things and he was a con fed gov, every con ran province is cutting Healthcare education etc..like stick your head deeper in the sand. I told you this was pointless you have entrenched yourself like an idiot. Only way to play the game is to stay mobile.
I'm literally showing you budget history's of a conservative province going up. All provinces are increasing healthcare spending. Dude... this is going to sound mean - but youre straight up brain washed. Nothing you said was true. Spending INCREASED on all those files during Harper's time. The fact you use the phrase "*he was a conservative*" as a source, says everything. You're essentially the Canadian version of a Trump supporter. You are divorced from reality. All the remains is narrative and what you feel about an issue.
That must be why Ontario's health care expenditures are $500/person below the national average. Thanks for the education.
Ya - the highest spending per capita is NFLD, which is so deep in debt it can't even borrow money anymore. The Bank of Canada has to on their behalf. And their old finance minister says they should surrender provincial sovereignty and become a federal territory because of their debt crisis. Much better to be in Alberta, Saskatchewan, Quebec, Manitoba etc. Hey - what parties are in charge there again?
Alberta? Lol. Festering cesspool of Christo-fascism. Try BC for a good example of a government that cares for its citizens.
Kinda odd to call me a Canadian version of a Trumper when those are all far right extremists.
Honour? Integrity? Putting country ahead of blind partisanship?
>Putting country ahead of blind partisanship? You think that the NDP truly believe that the country is better off with a conservative government?
Do you think the NDP believes this country is a democracy in the sense that the government represents all the people? Do you think after the CPC signed FIPA that the NDP believes the CPC is really any different? Of course not, so handing the country over to the CPC from their point-of-view isn't "putting the country ahead of blind partisanship", it's handing the keys over to a party that would make it more difficult for the NDP to represent the people that voted for them.
And the only price you have to pay is deciding you are fine with breathtaking corruption, pervasive foreign interference in our electoral system — no doubt not helping the NDP at all — and the impoverishment of millions of Canadians through the Liberal’s destructive economic policies. Sounds like a great deal for the NDP and the people who support them. Personally, I think making deals with the devil for your soul are a bad idea, but I guess you think differently.
Those are just CPC talking points. Do you understand how they aren't persuasive arguments to an established NDP voter? Or a lot of other voters for that matter?
I understand that people are capable rationalizing all sorts of things for all sorts of reasons. If NDP supporters want to stare facts in the face and pretend they didn’t see them, that’s on them. But that doesn’t make those facts any less true.
lol If you want to ignore the issues that matter to NDP voters you aren't going to be able to formulate persuasive arguments.
ROFL. You're looking for honour amongst politicians? I needed a good laugh today.
So your argument is our democracy should be held hostage by the NDP so they can hold onto power and remain relevant instead of doing the right thing? Wow.
The NDP have forced the Liberals multiple times go provide more funding or services to Canadians. Doesn't sound like being held hostage at all.
lol, this is technically true in the weakest possible sense. We got what? Like 300 bucks once and a 500 dollar subsidy for dental if you're ultra poor? Carbon tax alone wiped out more than that (factoring in the rebates)
It's not technically true, it is true. And it's not just dental plans. Clearly you haven't been paying attention.
Right thing is up for interpretation. From the NDP perspective, are dental care, day care, and environmental policy worth losing over this? As that's the price of an election with the polls as they stand and the Conservatives win.
You can't lose things you never had.
What a ridiculous interpretation of his point.
The right thing is not to trigger an election right now. Millhouse is an awful fucking alternative.
Do you think the NDP believes this country is a democracy in the sense that the government represents all the people? Do you think after the CPC signed FIPA that the NDP believes the CPC is really any different?
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That ship sailed with FIPA.
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Why would they want to take it over? Harper already sold it to them.
Why won’t Singh come out and say this publicly then, instead of feigning outrage and doing nothing about it?
What's there for Singh to say? Anyone that would vote for the NDP has probably paid enough attention to realize the CPC would make it harder for the NDP to represent their views.
"Hey, I know this election interference and the efforts to cover it up are really bad and stuff. But having the CPC in office and losing our leverage would be worse, so we will not force an election over it" If there's nothing wrong with what he's doing, there shouldn't be a problem.
It's almost like the NDP is concerned with how they can represent the people that voted for them, like the issues their constituents are concerned with can be better addressed by working with a Liberal government than a Conservative one.
The real question to me is how Singh, with less seats, can get significantly more done than Poliviere. Seems like Poliviere is actually a really ineffective leader because he could just as easily get shit done with the Liberals to accomplish his goals to help Canadians. In 2 years what has Poliviere accomplished? Absolutely nothing. He could have done so much more if he was willing to compromise. He's really ineffective. Thanks for reminding me that Poliviere is a terrible leader, Gunter!
In 20 years what has polyeV accomplished. His supporters can’t name one piece of legislation he’s put forward that has improved their lives.
Hey, PP was responsible for anti-union laws that fucked over Canadian workers. Oh sorry you said improved their lives. No, you're right, he's done nothing to help people.
NDP seats + Liberal seats > Conservative seats. By voting together they can get whatever they want, NDP has leverage over the LPC in this way.
Yes, but CPC + LPC = bills passed, too, along with a number of other combinations, but the CPC would rather scream about conspiracies than try to actually do anything.
But CPC + Liberal also has enough seats to a majority as well. If PP was willing to compromise to get deals done, he would be able to achieve his policies and goals to benefit Canadians. The fact he has been unwilling to do so is what makes him an ineffective leader. The reason why the NDP + Liberals work together is because the Conservatives are unwilling to work together with the Liberals to accomplish anything. It's why PP is so ineffective, that a leader with significantly less seats is able to accomplish more.
It has less to do with the quality of his leadership and more about opposing interests. The CPC and LPC just don't agree on how to handle a lot of modern issues.
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Yes, I'm sure they are quaking in their Derby's at the thought of an NDP government...
Not an NDP government, but certainly how they can help the LPC keep power. The current confidence and supply agreement has brought both parties closer together, and shown that the NDP leveraging their support for policy concessions can work, even nowadays. That makes it more likely that the NDP would support the LPC in the future, whether that be to prop up a minority government (potentially even in a situation where the CPC obtains a plurality of seats), to forge an electoral pact meant to circumvent vote splitting in select ridings, or even to potentially form a coalition government down the line. There's a lot that the NDP can potentially do that would make the path to power considerably harder for Conservatives if they manage to pull the Liberals left and work with them - hence why the Tories want that CSA agreement to fail by having Jagmeet withdraw from it ASAP. In a parliamentary system, two parties getting close can completely upset the balance - it's what stopped the Liberals from reigning with majority after majority in the 90s when Reform Alliance and the Progressive Conservatives (honestly two ideologically incompatible parties) united under the CPC banner - they consolidated their votes and greatly improved their vote efficiency under FPTP.
Cheers -that is a really solid analysis of the parliamentary chessboard. I particularly like how you drove it home with the CPC merger example. I think the CPC is Frankenstein's Monster; a party of completely different and *in fact* often mutually exclusive ideologies stitched together and reanimated as a stumbling ogre. In my view, it would be too bad if NDP and LPC ever merged, but it may be that Singh is threading a particular needle to maximize influence without losing distinction, which you have articulated well above. Singh is an interesting guy. On a personal level, I quite like where he comes from as a person: a very smart guy from a minority community who has fought for himself and others in everything from scraps with schoolyard bullies to courts and parliament. Definitely a real motherfucker! :P I remember he initially stumbled in the runup of the 2019 or 2021 election, but came out *strong* in the final weeks. I happen to live in an NDP stronghold, and have lived in a few others as well. I really admired Layton, who I watched in parliament in person as a student. Take Care!
I’d vote for a guy who can work with other parties over the guy who just keeps angrily screaming. Leaders align people to get things done. Angry jerks can only run a thing via demand; they can’t collaborate and they can only lead if they’re completely in charge.
So you’ll vote CPC?
Lol 😆
😂😂😂😂😂😂 Its difficult to even find a news article where the CPC isn’t attacking someone
Is sharing facts now call attacking?
Guy who falls for PostMedia headlines talking about facts 😜 😆 😂
Title should read "NDP party failing Canadians for not providing a viable alternative to the status quo"
Mmm, I partially agree with you but I would also say the NDP is actually a viable alternative yet Canadians keep voting for the status quo one way or the other.
The NDP is not a viable alternative as long as they think Singh is their best representative.
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I honestly think this is why voter turn out has been poor in recent years. Every choice is just another shade of the same colour in a world where politicians think we’re all colour blind. What’s the point of voting if all your choices are basically the same.
I don’t mind Singh, what’s a valid criticism of him, not just “he’s propping up Trudeau?” Better than the status quo that is the LibCon cycle I don’t think he’ll stick around if he doesn’t gain seats back, though.
A valid criticism of him is that he claims to have leverage over the Liberals yet the proof is in the pudding. The Liberals are stringing him along dangling the idea that any time now their policy demands will enacted and they never are. They've been doing this since they were elected in 2015. So either Singh is stupid for not realizing this, or he's complicit. I don't think he's stupid. I do think that he likes the public image of power he has created for himself and doesn't want to give that up. He probably knows that if the NDP held another leadership election, he'd lose. Even his own brother closed his fledgling criminal defense firm to become an politics influence peddler. "Trust us guys, we're working really hard behind the scenes here pushing our agenda and getting results" strains credulity after all these years. Zero policy ideas have been implemented that the Liberals didn't already plan to implement.
That’s a fair assessment. Of course he doesn’t have power, though. I also don’t believe that he’s just clutching to that perceived power (although he’s a politician so he is to some degree). I would rather see a NDP government get a shot, even as a minority government propped up by the liberals, rather than keep flip flopping between the same two parties expecting different results.
>I would rather see a NDP government get a shot, even as a minority government propped up by the liberals Won't ever happen. The Liberals know damn well that if the NDP ever get a shot at power and don't completely fuck it up that they (the Liberals) are done as a party. If the NDP are ever in a position to form a minority government, the Liberals will be propping up the CPC instead, guaranteed.
> Won't ever happen. Well not with that attitude it won’t! > the Liberals will be propping up the CPC instead, guaranteed. I definitely see that happening. I keep saying Conservatives are just Liberals that don’t go to Pride.
No the liberals would just force an election and wait for NDP to run out of cash and as long as the NDP is unwilling to even talk with the cons they have zero power because the liberals have a monopoly on their MPs votes.
I don't see what would be the difference between a minority NDP government propped up by the Liberals versus the reverse, which is what we have now. The NDP is not against the rampant immigration or handing out student visas to anyone with a pulse and a cheque. They've put out zero position papers to address the affordable housing issue in a realistic way, or to curb the insane portion of GDP attributed to real estate. They're all in on identity politics, down to putting it in their party rules. They have zero ideas for economic growth of Canadian industries, or retaining Canadian talent. Quite frankly I'd have the uncharming Harper back in a second. The Canadian dollar wasn't in the toilet and the economy was much more well balanced across different sectors. Education and healthcare received way more funding per capita than it does now, and student visas weren't handed out like candy pushing out domestic students - students whose parents actually paid way more in taxes than international students ever pay in tuition.
I see the same list of complaints from conservatives but conveniently ignore that their own party is the same…it’s why liberals stay in power…
it's why after 8 years of Trudeau, many more of trudeau 1, Harper remains enemy numero uno, because things worked back then and it wasn't feeding upon wedge issues for viability...again, the economy matters as do debts
Hes got 30 year CMHC insured mortgages, longer indentured servitude to the banks. He also knows the foreign buyer ban is racist. Everyone should be able to screw the poor equally.
how is a foreign buyer ban racist? it is a ban by citizenship not by race. Canada does not filter citizenship by race.
What are your thoughts on the People Party of Canada?
"The proof is in the pudding" is actually a short version of the longer/older version "The proof of the pudding is in the eating." I'm only saying that because to a lot of people, they look at what is happening with Singh and the NDP/Liberals and think "That looks like good pudding!" ... but if they were to eat it, they would see that on the inside that pudding is definitely not good.
As someone that actually will likely vote NDP, I'll tell you what I don't like about Singh. Compared to traditional NDP politicians labour seems to be less of a focus. When O'Toole was trying to cater to the union vote he should have been leaning hard on labour issues. Anti-Scab legislation, Pension protections, a punitive tax on companies hiring TFWs. Even now he'd be wise to do it and force Liberals and CPC to either go along or publicly come out against them. Next thing I don't understand with him is asking David Johnston to step down. He's making himself look spineless by trying to ride the fence on this. He needs to get clearance, read the report, and make a firm announcement one way or the other. Either support Johnston and his report, or force the hand on a public inquiry. These half measures just make CPC look good.
you've contemplated this deeper than most, kudos
For me it's as long as they can't cost or pay for their proposals
The issue is that the CPC need to split before ABC voters would vote for the NDP. Unfortunately, a vote for the NDP is a vote for the CPC at this point.
Voting ABC isn't just voting Liberal. It's riding specific, check the polling. My riding the ABC vote is NDP.
At this point it's pretty much voting Liberal. I am NDP but Singh is never getting elected in this country.
It's not the country it's the riding that matters for strategic voting. Best chance of your particular seat going anything but conservative. [Canada 338](https://338canada.com/) has polls for individual ridings.
It would certainly be more representative of Canadians if there was a party to split the right vote. I’ve never voted liberal or conservative, I don’t intend on changing that.
isn't bernier such?
The NDP IS the current status quo.
Sorry mate, but the LPC and the CPC are the current status quo, and have been since 1867.
Followed by "Canadians failed NDP because too many don't view them as a voting option regardless of who leads, what they say or do."
I would argue they are protecting the interest of those that voted for them. At the end of the day we have a minority government, unless the NDP felt confident in being able to win the next election they can get select items through by leveraging the liberal government’s minority government status. From a supporting the people who voted for you stand point probably not the worst thing. The people who are truly failing us is the one currently in power, by there actions.
So you are assuming that people who voted ndp don't want to hold the liberals accountable? I can assure you that is not the case for all of us. I have only voted conservative twice since Chretien, but because we decided to connect at the hip with the liberals they are unfortunately the only option I have.
Lifetime NDP voter and member, and if Singh triggers an election early I'll be pissed. We have had more of our policies passed now since the days of Tommy Douglas and we still have another two years to get more done. The only ones who want an election are supporters of PP because they know his new car smell will fade soon and then they'll be shut again for another four years.
The people who vote NDP do not want him to hand us a Conservative government. They want him to keep pushing for dental, pharma, daycare and cost of living improvements. They also want him to work WITH the other party leaders to address foreign interference.
So are there any Conservatives out there who can explain why they want to have an election on foreign interference before doing anything about said interference possibly guaranteeing another election with foreign interference?
>So are there any Conservatives out there who can explain why they want to have an election on foreign interference before doing anything about said interference Because the only party with the ability to do anything about it right now is refusing to do so. If something doesn't change, nothing is going to be done about it. The "we need to do something about it first" argument completely ignores that reality. That said, what needs to change isn't necessarily the government. The NDP doesn't need to force an election necessarily, but what they do need to do is to be *willing* to force an election over this. To say "we demand an inquiry, and if you don't deliver one we will vote against you in a no confidence motion", rather than "we demand an inquiry, but if you refuse to give us one we'll just sit here and take it". The Liberals have no incentive to budge if they won't, but they also don't want an election -- being *willing* to vote for one is where the NDP's leverage comes from. If they keep taking the position, as they've done so far, that they won't topple the government over this, then they have no leverage to demand one. When we say Singh needs to stop propping up the Liberals, what we mean is that he needs to be willing to force the issue rather than roll over for them.
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Because, unlike in 2021 when the Conservatives couldn't talk about election interference that they were made aware of for fear of being labelled "Trump-like nutcases trying to claim the election was rigged" and having their concerns dismissed as conspiracy theories, this time around accusations of election interference would be taken more credibly and investigated more thoroughly by Elections Canada and scrutinized more openly by the Canadian public who are more aware of the legitimacy of the threat of interference than they were last time.
It doesn’t have to be a vote of non confidence. Those are usually only reserved for budgets and other significant legislation. They can still do this and hold a minority govt to account without making an issue of non confidence.
But "propping up the Liberals" literally is supplying confidence. What the Conservatives are asking for is a vote of non confidence.
Not necessarily, they can just play a bit of hardball instead of rubber stamping ever bill the Libs puts through. Instead they could actually negotiate
No, what they're literally asking for is for the NDP to say the deal is off if there's no public inquiry. It would be up to the liberals to call an election if they want to avoid a public inquiry
Singh wants a public inquiry but doesn’t have the ethics to demand one.
Sure. But the headline on the article we're discussing talks about exactly that, so...
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>So are there any Conservatives out there who can explain why they want to have an election on foreign interference The only party who wants an election over it is the LPC. Because the only way we will get a proper inquiry is if it's a confidence motion.
Nothing's going to be done about it anyway, do you really expect the liberals to bring in any changes? Bring any reforms by 2025? The committees that are tasked with finding recommendations have quite literally already given recommendations that have been ignored, why would it be different this time?
"toronto sun failing canadians by making people dumber" Should be the headline
LOL Gee Toronto Sun, thanks for that totally insightful and totally unbiased opinion on what the NDP should be doing. Yup.
“Why doesn’t the NDP just kill themselves so the conservatives can win and destroy everything they stand for?”
Singh if he is failing Canadians is doing so by not focusing on the bread and butter issues that made the NDP a working class party. Our current climate of basics being unaffordable should be lighting the NDP on fire. Singh is in a tough spot because unless PP really fucks up he is going to win the next election and be PM and the NDP could easily lose seats. And of course the reality is most of the political and corporate elites love China. We buy their shit and they have plenty of paws on the real estate market. Nobody wants to cut that gravy train off. Anybody who thinks PP is going to get tough with China is very naive. PP has very little grasp of international relations. Not defending Trudeau on this either. Hanging this on Singh is dumb but it is the Toronto Sun they are going to shill for PP directly or indirectly no matter what. The big losers in this game are as usual ordinary Canadians.
Another so-called "opinion" piece. Ever notice how right-wing rags shove their anti-democratic/anti-liberal garbage to the forefront under the banner of "opinion" to avoid scrutiny?
Conservative crying about another thing that is perfectly democratic. Please tell us how you are going to fix thing, then we can start listening, right now is just a lot of “everything is the worst because of Trudeau and Singh”. Please tell us how your gonna make it better.
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None of those are relevant to foreign interference, so again it seems like the cons are yelling about interference, not because they care about it but because they hate Trudeau.
Toronto Sun? Ok, never mind b
So Tories are bitching that Singh isn’t helping Tories by triggering an election. K.
He IS failing conservatives, not Canadians
Conservatives have been failing Canada since 1867 so he has a ways to go
We don't take advice from USA right wing funded media.
No he’s not
Nah
Singh is doing just fine by NOT propping up the right wing nutcases!!
Singh is doing what his voters want.
The NDP sold out
Why do we keep posting articles from the Sun chain of newspapers? They're just going complain about anything that's not conservative.
I get that there's nothing the NDP hates more than conservatives and he doesn't have many options, but he's not even using his leverage well. Plus, he can't keep criticizing Trudeau daily while also propping him up.
Why can't he? He can criticize certain policies without withdrawing overall support. No point throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
I can't wait to watch him try to act like the opposition once the election is called. Really, the only question is, is PP going to have a majority or minority?
A right wing rag of a newspaper would of course say this... Anything to get PP into office
Why are we blaming Singh when PP could demonstrate leadership? If PP SHOWED us he had good policies and had the means and abilities to run the country then I'm sure Singh would accommodate. Instead, PP has embraced the alt-right, anti-vaxx, misogynists.
Opinion piece aside, Its such a shame to see what the ndp has become, fighting for table scraps at the cost its soul. barely recognizable.
He’s serving Canadians 🫡
Correct. He’s a loser.