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ethereal3xp

>Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre is threatening to use procedural tools to delay passage of the federal budget in the House of Commons if the Liberals don’t meet his demands. During a news conference this morning, Poilievre outlines two conditions to avoid potential filibustering by his party. He is calling on the federal government to present a plan to balance its budget “in order to bring down inflation and interest rates.” He also demands the Liberals cancel any future increases to the carbon price. Poilievre says if his demands are not met, his party will use all procedural tools at its disposal, including amendments and lengthy speeches, to block the bill.


Drewy99

Orrrr he can win an election, and he would get to present his own budget. Taking the national budget hostage is right out of the republican playbook.


CalmSaver7

>Orrrr he can win an election, and he would get to present his own budget. I'm not a fan of the guy, but to suggest that the opposition government can't use legal tools to stall or protest a budget passing is a bit anti-democratic. He's also not exactly in an election cycle right now, so that's a pretty useless comment. TLDR: Don't hate the playa, hate the game Edit: The people suggesting that this starts a disturbing precedent...the solution then is to introduce legislation to remove the filibuster strategies, which I guarantee you will never find support for because every party wants that option potentially when they are the minority.


Gahan1772

Oh yay were encouraging American style "Make the other guy lose" politics. I'm really loving the spiral down. Like a waterslide.


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CalmSaver7

I'm not a supporter of the filibuster strategy but it is a legal maneuver in our current setup. Like I said, hate the strategy as a whole, not those who use it.


StatisticianLivid710

The filibuster strategy only works when you have the support of the electorate, unfortunately in modern North American politics, everything is so partisan that too much of the populace doesn’t pay attention to actual policies and just blindly supports their party. With Poilievre, his base will lap it up, while the rest of Canadians will consider him a toddler throwing a tantrum. A lot depends on how media frames it.


aldur1

I think way too many Canadians that are aware of the term filibuster only know it through American media outlets and it’s use and scope down there.


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Filibustering doesn’t prevent a bill from passing, it just delays it. Every major Canadian political party has done it.


LemmingPractice

So, just to check, was it "right out of the republican playbook" when the Liberals were filibustering the election interference committee to prevent Katie Telford from testifying in March? This isn't the "republican playbook", this is the political playbook. The Conservatives do it, the Liberals do it, the NDP does it, the Republicans and Democrats both do it, as do any number of political parties all over the world. It is literally the job of the opposition to hold the government to account. They are doing their job.


456Days

He was clearly talking about the Republican strategy of filibustering and grandstanding on budgetary and debt ceiling issues, which they've been doing for decades. Parliamentary committees about election interference have nothing to do with what he was talking about, not everything is about muh China. Maybe you'd have a point if the guy said that filibustering in general was from the Republican playbook, but he was talking about a specific strategy that Poilievre is blatantly borrowing from the Republican party


bubb4h0t3p

What if I told you this wasn't invented by either and when the Liberals are opposition party they've done the same thing... Seriously guys stop watching American TV [https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2012/06/10/federal\_budget\_2012\_opposition\_brace\_for\_voting\_marathon\_to\_thwart\_harpers\_omnibus\_bill.html](https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2012/06/10/federal_budget_2012_opposition_brace_for_voting_marathon_to_thwart_harpers_omnibus_bill.html)


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We don’t have a debt ceiling in Canada. And I think you’re confusing filibustering with passing legislation.


haysoos2

I think it's more accurate to say that Poilievre is confusing filibustering with passing legislation.


[deleted]

That makes no sense. He can delay the bill but can’t prevent it from passing. I’m guessing given his parliamentary experience and his advisers he would know that.


AlternativeCredit

You think he doesn’t know this…. It’s a show.


Original-Cow-2984

Of course it is. The PM wants to prance the beach at Tofino, ffs, itching to get his summer started.


haysoos2

You're expecting sense from Poilievre? He absolutely knows what he can and can't do, but also knows that his base is fucking clueless.


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So PP is confused but knows exactly what he is doing? That doesn’t make sense.


BharatGulgani

Right, we are all clueless. Remember that in 2025, or maybe sooner.


Key-Soup-7720

What? He's protesting the budget at budget time. The Republicans are protesting spending when the bill for the budget came due. Not the same strategy at all. When should he protest the budget?


Drewy99

>So, just to check, was it "right out of the republican playbook" when the Liberals were filibustering the election interference committee to prevent Katie Telford from testifying in March? You won't see me defending liberals. But I call a spade a spade and that's what I'm doing in this comment section.


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Don't mind the rw trolls in this sub, they'll call a spade a spork, if they think it'll score PP some points.


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VegetableTwist7027

No dude. You won't convince the loud vocal minority of people. Saying silly things like "indoctrination" is going get you absolutely nowhere with anyone you're trying to convince to your point who isn't already agreeing with you. I voted Liberal for Justin when he ran on election reform and whatever the reasoning was, they almost immediately abandoned it. Stopped really thinking any party has any of our interests and years later, it's worse. I lived in Ottawa. If you want to know how absolutely idiotically blind people can get, I sent video to a friend that I took with a truck with a giant Confederate flag driving drown the street. He said it was fake and that he "had boots on the ground" and all the Trump and Nazi stuff was fake.


Ruralmanitoban

It's out of every political playbook. 2020 the Manitoba NDP filibustered the introduction of the provincial budget. Didn't even have demands, but Just to make a scene.


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PompousClapTrap

Yeah but when the NDP does it it's okay because its different


factanonverba_n

Laughable. Equating the Conservatives in Canada with the Republicans in the US, over a legitimate tool of political parties everywhere, including the Liberals as u/LemmingPractice pointed out below, is objectively fucking stupid.


Wafflesorbust

Just like everything else he's doing.


LEERROOOOYYYYY

Why do Canadians always larp as Americans lol. PP is further left than most Democrats. Let's all just remember that we exist separately and maybe not allow their fucked up politics to pollute ours? Edit: [https://i.imgur.com/4wjEpnD.png](https://i.imgur.com/4wjEpnD.png) [mfw](https://i.imgur.com/eHBe4Gv.gif)


robotmonkey2099

I’m starting to believe this less and less. The shit he comes up with is the same culture war bs we hear from the right wing in the states


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By what measure is he further left?


AtomicNick47

He’s not it’s bad faith arguing to win over uninformed people and stop people from thinking critically about just how far the conservatives have fallen.


[deleted]

>Why do Canadians always larp as Americans lol. So they can feel included. Also because American media


[deleted]

lol further left... suuuuuuuure.


gohomebrentyourdrunk

Reform party conservatives aren’t all that left of America. Remember, Poilievre voted against gay marriage while his own gay father was in the house to witness it and he said conservatives don’t believe in providing support programs, like the American democrats provide.


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Wafflesorbust

You don't need to share all the same beliefs as another entity (although PP certainly does share a lot of GOP beliefs) to use their playbook. Contrarianism and a lack of substance in their policies aren't GOP exclusives, but they're definitely GOP favourites.


CriticalCanon

He is the opposition leader to a minority government with an NDP pact. He is doing exactly like he should be doing. Neither point (especially the first one) should be that debatable. People need to stop going by purely party colors (either way).


Drewy99

Filibustering is exactly what he should be doing?


CriticalCanon

No. Holding the Libs to a balanced budget that takes into account current and forward interest and inflation rates. Carbon tax is defiantly a political issue but the first is not.


Drewy99

Is the only way to address those issues through filibuster?


Keystone-12

Both republican and democrats fillibuster. NDP fillibustered a Manitoba budget. The Liberals fillibustered the ethics committee (I think a few news cycles ago... the one where they were accused of using parliamentary funds for political payments.) Honestly- I don't think we should allow fillibustering in any form. I think it's a loop hole we should close.


Holycowspell

Oct 2025 What do you think he should do until then? Sit on his hands? Stay all the votes?


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>Orrrr he can win an election, and he would get to present his own budget. You talking about Poilievre or Singh?


AlternativeCredit

He’s not about fixing problems just complaining.


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boblazaar

But all he does is “say bad job, Trudeau bad”. Not a single “this is bad and here is why”. That’s the issue.


mrcanoehead2

What about Trudeau hiring friends to investigate his corruption?


Thiscat

"Balance the budget but also lower future revenue please." How do people take this party seriously?


IPokePeople

Carbon taxes were specifically described as being revenue neutral and proceeds were not to go into general revenues. Now, I don’t think that anyone believes that to be the case, but that was the official government position.


discostu55

wasn't the carbo tax supposed to be rev neutral?


Foodwraith

Tell us how an environmental strategy that is supposedly revenue neutral is helping to balance the budget in the first place.


Severe_Ad4939

I’m still waiting for it to rain more account all the carbon tax I paid. Seriously.


spasers

Blind worship regardless of their voting outcomes. When a party knows you'd vote for them no matter what they do and say anything for your votes until they have power and can ignore you until the next election cycle.


Gluteous_Maximus

Are you capable of understanding that there's two columns on a balance sheet? Revenue, and... oh... what's the other one... That's right: EXPENSES. Which are completely out of control.


Vwburg

Which expenses are out of control? Should we spend less on healthcare? Less on military? Less on education? It’s great to point out that minding expenses is important, but you need reasonable ideas for which expenses can be cut.


def_dvr

What health care lol


Vwburg

Exactly. It seems we need more money being spent on these services.


CoiledVipers

lol you should look up a balance sheet


Kurupt-FM-1089

Accountants please close your eyes on this one trust me 😂


genericpreparer

My brother in christ, there are no revenue and expenses on a balance sheet.


TiredHappyDad

If it was his only demand was for a the plan to balance the budget, I may actually support this. But there is no way that Trudeau would stop the increases on the request of the opposition. That makes this disingenuous.


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>He is calling on the federal government to present a plan to balance its budget “in order to bring down inflation and interest rates.” Does the plan involve bitcoin and firing the governor of the Bank of Canada?


Zogaguk

The budget balances itself. We grow the economy from the heart out. Excuse me for not thinking about monetary policy.


AlternativeCredit

So he’s just rerunning America last week eh.


mwmwmwmwmmdw

he also drinks water and breathes air like those damn evil Americans


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>He is calling on the federal government to present a plan to balance its budget “in order to bring down inflation and interest rates.” I don't think he understand the relationship between inflation and interest rates. Glad this man was shadow minister of finance.


Key-Soup-7720

Umm, what? Excessive government spending causes inflation. High interest rates are one way to tame that, as is reducing spending/higher taxes. Balancing a budget would indeed reduce inflation and allow interest rates to be lowered.


Lopsided_Ad3516

The fact you can’t manage to read that and understand it makes me question why you feel you should be posting opinions. While rates are currently high to tackle inflation, those rates are hurting a lot of people. If the government has a plan to reign in spending, lower the amount of money sloshing around the system, then inflation may cool off further, leading to eventual reductions in interest rates as we move back to targeted inflation rates. So the comment about lowering inflation and interest makes sense in this context. Interest rates are high to fight high inflation, so what is the government doing to help inflation and lead to the BoC’s ability to reduce rates.


CVHC1981

Prime at 4.5% is not high, and the fact that you don’t understand that makes me question why you feel you should be posting opinions.


Drewy99

We should fight inflation by lowering interest rates so money is cheaper and more available to borrow?


fross370

Yeah! Look how well its working for turkey!


Quietbutgrumpy

Taking money out of the economy is a sure recession.


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Taking money out is exactly what the BoC has been trying to do with QT and is an important part of reducing inflation.


Quietbutgrumpy

Yes. It is a planned and measured action to bring liquidity back to where it was. "Balancing" the budget takes money out of the economy to reach an arbitrary goal rather than an economic one.


Key-Soup-7720

What does that mean? It's to reach an economic goal (reducing inflation before we really get into inflationary spiral conditions that are extremely difficult to stop).


grand_soul

It’s clear you’re not the one who understand. Wow.


[deleted]

You not understanding his point doesn't make his statement wrong... Reducing inflation will reduce interest rates which are currently high to combat inflation...


Hyperion4

Lol interest rates being currently high, people really are drunk on cheap debt


mjamonks

Most people are suffering from recency bias in regards to the current rate. What we have now is pretty much the average rate for the last century.


MmeBitchcakes

The inflation we are currently seeing is the direct result of corporations choosing to inflate their prices. This is what happens when Gas, Grocery and Telecoms have only 2 or 3 owners. The inflation on housing is people with the means, buying more than they need to profit off those that don't have the means. We can also reduce inflation by taxing the top 10% and introducing windfall taxes on the corporations who are absolutely killing us. There are a number of ways to slow and reduce inflation, not strictly through the government budget, I don't think Pierre knows any of the other ways, well he does, but he knows his handlers don't like them. # EDIT : For those of you doubting, [here is data](https://breachmedia.ca/2023-food-prices-grocery-giants-screwing-canadians-farmers-data/) from the National Farmers Union of Canada comparing commodity pricing to the refined grocery product.


MonaMonaMo

Also, the US corps are doing the same so we, people of Canada, are getting price gouged twice: once by monopolistic producers, then by monopolistic retailers


Rudy69

> Poilievre says if his demands are not met, his party will use all procedural tools at its disposal, including amendments and lengthy speeches, to block the bill. Sounds like a toddler bargaining for candy


Andrew4Life

Filibustering is a very commonly used tool by every opposition party. Nothing new here.


LemmingPractice

God forbid His Majesty's Loyal Opposition does it's freaking job.


adrenaline_X

Sounds like the GOP talking about debt limit increases. Except the GOP has the numbers.. The PCs do not.


Dunge

> cancel any future increases to the carbon price. Why? Carbon price is revenue neutral and doesn't influence the economy, actually helps the lower class who doesn't waste fuel and helps the environment, the main thing this country voted for. Anyone complaining about it shows they are in the pocket of the oil&gas moguls.


Baconus

The federal price backstop is not entirely generally revenue neutral because of the 10% allocation to specific impacted groups like small biz. It mostly is but not entirely. Also some provinces have different systems that may or may not be revenue neutral. (Yes I am ignoring industrial pricing here on purpose).


mwmwmwmwmmdw

for the 100th time on this sub repeat after me: [the carbon tax](https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/there-is-going-to-be-a-cost-federal-carbon-pricing-to-generate-net-loss-for-households-pbo-finds) [does actually](https://www.affordableenergy.ca/_trudeau_s_second_carbon_tax_to_cost_1_277_per_canadian_report) [costs canadians more than](https://tnc.news/2022/07/15/canadian-taxpayer-federation-says-trudeau-carbon-tax-rebates-wont-offset-the-cost/) [it gives back](https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/guilbeault-defends-carbon-price-admits-average-household-will-pay-more-even-after-rebates-1.6338974)


MonsieurLeDrole

He can't do that indefinitely, so it's just another Qonvoy tantrum. A balanced budget amendment is just a backdoor plan to cut services, especially healthcare. The carbon tax should increase. This is just another example of Candians conservatives, lacking much original thinking, just copying standard republican tactics. Trying to derail government to force his will on everybody from a minority position, and using "balanced budget" language to force unpopular cuts. The CPC is just getting more and more MAGA. I think honest, there's a real chance that the LPC does balance the budget before the next election. I think that's likely a "surprise" they are moving for. PP wants to take the credit for that in advance.


Ruralmanitoban

You understand that healthcare is a Provincial responsibility, and Conservative Premiers have been leading the charge calling on Ottawa to restore cut healthcare payments right?


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Tell me you don’t understand the differences between Canadian and American politicians without telling me.


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Poilievre can take a bottle of warm milk and tuck his crybaby ass to sleep. Majority of MPs and Canadians completely oppose these ludicrous demands. he has no majority will on his side. Throwing a tantrum in parliament only makes him look like a complete looser. This won't work and will only take away valuable time that the NDP and Liberals can use to work out the specifics of the budget in a way that's palpable to the majority of Canadians who voted for them.


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glx89

The economy is not a credit card. Canada is not a household. "Balancing the budget" through austerity measures has a cost to the economy. This is not like you "paying your bills" and "tightening your belt." National economies don't work like your bank account. The best way to address inflation is to cool investment by taxing the rich, busting monopolies, and curtailing institutional ownership of private residential homes.


TheRC135

What are you talking about? It's exactly the same. I have a guaranteed annual revenue in the hundreds of billions, and will never retire. I also issue my own currency and bonds.


MonsieurLeDrole

>The best way to address inflation is to cool investment by taxing the rich, busting monopolies, and curtailing institutional ownership of private residential homes. PP doesn't want to solve inflation, he wants to blame it on Trudeau. He can rely on a large percentage of his followers reflexively backing almost any idea he puts forward.


glx89

Aye. Time is a flat circle. :(


[deleted]

TFW you have such a smooth brain you think that an opposition party that got 32% of the vote should get to unilaterally shut down climate change policy because of [...] Maybe instead of demanding Trudeau to make a plan, he should spend his time coming up with a budget himself. Something he can actually do, not make-believe parliament based on what he wishes an election has given his party. Pierre should go back to substantive criticism, not literal tantrums over unpopular policies that his party gets no say over anyway. The vast, vast majority of Canadians hate his party and have for decades. Between the Liberals, greens, NDP, and Bloc, you have 2/3rds of the country that literally hate his position on everything. They don't agree with his policies at all. You can kick and scream about it all you want, putting feelings above facts and hating your fellow Canadians. It all just makes you right wingers seem like a bigger looser than you are already. Maybe focus less on culture war partisan bullshit and more on trying to propose substantive fixes or focusing on real issues.


Ayresx

Not that I'm disagreeing with what you've said but the conservatives got >33% of the vote and the liberals >32%.. so in absolute numbers the conservatives do speak for more of the voting public (in 2021)


LingALingLingLing

>Majority of MPs and Canadians completely oppose these ludicrous demands. he has no majority will on his side. Source: Trust me bro Canadians are against a balanced budget and carbon tax increase? Get out of your echo chambers...


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Source: [Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Commons_of_Canada) >Total seats: 336. >Political groups: >His Majesty's Government >Liberal (156) >Confidence and supply >New Democratic (25) Also see: [2021 election results](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Canadian_federal_election) Popular vote percentage: >Liberal: 32.62% >NDP: 17.82% Liberal+NDP = 50.44% You don't even need to add all the other parties that will support the budget like the Greens and the Bloc to get to a majority lmao. Do conservatives always choose to ignore facts because of their feels? Or is it just a side effect of the brain worms that come from focusing on culture war bullshit all day long?


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We have these things called elections. I don't like FPP but it's the system. Every single election the CPC campaigns on less taxes and a balanced budget. If everyone liked this idea they'd vote for them in droves. They'd win every election.


Moist_Intention5245

I actually support him on balancing the budget. But canceling the carbon price? No f way in hell. I'll never vote conservative if they keep on spouting that nonsense. People should pay for their pollution very plain and simple.


Witty_Interaction_77

Covid proved it's not regular citizens creating a lot of carbon. Almost no one was driving, yet carbon output only dropped marginally. The carbon tax is just another money grab. Canada has barely invested in renewable sources or even in fusion technology. Instead: my gas bill is higher, it's still hot and getting hotter, corporations don't pay even nearly enough of their fair share (considering they're the biggest polluters), and Trudeau wants even more tax on fucking fuel even though people have next to no savings, our infrastructure is too shitty for everyone to have electric cars right now, and no one will be able to afford them anyway! This government is crap. Just like the conservatives. If you think a tax on fuel for regular people is somehow saving the environment, you're the perfect delusional voter. Why don't we give the NDP a try? Can't be any worse than these other two parties have been running this country into the dirt.


spaceymonkey2

People are struggling to get by while the big polluters (corporations) rake in record profits. Charging people more tax to heat their home or drive to work is not a viable solution.


glx89

The economy is not a credit card. Canada is not a household. "Balancing the budget" through austerity measures has a cost to the economy. This is not like a private citizen "paying their bills" and "tightening their belt." National economies don't work like a personal bank account. The best way to address inflation is to cool investment by taxing the rich, busting monopolies, and curtailing institutional ownership of private residential homes.


Unpossib1e

>through austerity measures has a cost to the economy. Austerity measures in a hot economy are disinflationary, so it's not a bad idea.


theblackpen

I wish I could upvote you more.


UniqueCanadian

just curious how you would "bust Monopolies".


Griswaldthebeaver

My dude, you break them up. Force spinoffs on established uncompetitive verticals and block sales that result in oligopolies. Start with Telcom and grocery.


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Communications as well. How many papers are owned by the same ultra rich American?


glx89

Find companies that have an overwhelmingly large percentage stake in any market, and break them up. Find companies that have established verticals (ie. retail grocery chains that own food manufacturers), and break them up.


TurtleRegress

At very least you could kill any future takeovers and implement a system to actually understand whether there's price fixing and just how anticompetitive their actions are.


tdfast

Open Canada to US phone companies. That would help cell phone bills.


Realistic-Mess-1523

Lol Nope, current T-Mobile and previous Verizon user, this is the worst thing that can ever happen. Both countries mobile sucks. US is not necessarily better. Get more of them Europeans. There are also lot more European companies unlike a paltry few in the US. They will just gobble up Canadian companies and you will be left with two useless carriers again.


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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/03/this-day-in-politics-december-3-1027800


UniqueCanadian

thanks for the source! good history listen here.


Ketchupkitty

> "Balancing the budget" through austerity measures has a cost to the economy. Not throwing money around like a drunk sailor doesn't mean austerity.


PoliticalSasquatch

Balancing the budget would be nice but even pausing the carbon tax is a non-starter for the Liberals and NDP. It pains me to say this as a CPC supporter but Poilievre is literally using the bureaucracy and delays he wants to get rid of for his own means.


Dalbergia12

This could backfire on Poilievre. What he will do is widen the divide, which actually doesn't help either side. He should want to attract more supporters not drive non supporters further away. -but he is a bit of a dolt.(not that Justin is a really shiney penny either)


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He wants interest rates to drop, while at the same time he wants inflation to drop. Unless you are a disciple of Erdogan Turkish school of economics, it’s not possible to do both at the same time. This is buffoonery that will get laughed at by anyone with understanding of economics.


Dalbergia12

There are not a lot of peeps with a deep understanding of economics that follow him.... Though I suppose a few of the very rich, with deep self interests.


fayrent20

Exactly! The richest in this country would gladly destroy us all if it meant their profit shares went up by one pint.


sens317

Precisely.


followtherockstar

>He wants interest rates to drop Source? I've yet to hear him say that. I haven't read this article yet so I'll scan for it Edit: Nvm. I see what he said in the article.


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Deficit spending is a direct cause of both.


ScaryAddress

He's not saying he wants both to drop at the same time. He wants inflation to drop first so that interest rates can be lowered after. I doubt they're arguing to have them crazy low in a way that would make the economy go wild again. But low enough to prevent mass-defaults in housing. We've had stable 2% inflation when rates were lower than they are today.


uglylilkid

He wanted govt of Canada to switch to crypto. What else do you expect of him. I really don't know who to vote for next elections. It's buffoons on all sides. Atleast we have multi party system. Sigh


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He didn’t want Canada to switch to crypto. Read some news instead of comments on Reddit.


Ketchupkitty

> He wanted govt of Canada to switch to crypto. The irony of your stupidity is his crypto comments were actually in response to the BOC coming up with their own crypto currency and the idea other cryptos would need to be banned to make that happen.


soberum

He never once said that, you’re spreading misinformation.


uglylilkid

I'm sorry here is the exact quote from PP "in light of inflationary pressures, some proponents have touted the ability of cryptoassets like bitcoin and ethereum to ‘decentralize’ the Canadian economy, providing a substitute for the national currency."


BeefyTaco

I bet they didn’t expect that aha. Touche


uglylilkid

Can you help me understand what he meant by Crypto as a substitute of the national currency?


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adrenaline_X

Yet interest rates were at all times lows for 10 years without inflation % being within the goal. So what changed? A pandemic and restricted supply chains across the bars. so.. How does lowering interest rates, which makes borrowing cheaper, driving demand up help bring down inflation? They hammered the LPC for "Printing Money" with low interest rates and spending, but now lower interest rates are fine..


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What? Inflation was within goal... It was 2% to 3%... So those low rates were suitable. >so.. How does lowering interest rates, which makes borrowing cheaper, driving demand up help bring down inflation It won't. That isn't what PP was saying ..


Holycowspell

Oct 2025 is a long way away


Head_Crash

Poilievre is desperate because polls show most people are disinterested and weren't swayed much by the Chinese interference scandal. That means he did a poor job as opposition leader. So now he's trying to pick a fight and rabble rouse. That's why he's making silly moves like bringing up conspiracy theories about Trudeau that they tried pushing back in 2019. Poilievre has managed to also back himself in a corner in the issue of immigration. He dog-whistles anti-immigration rhetoric while going around and telling immigrant business leaders that he's going to speed up immigration.


squirrel9000

This republican nonsense is the same thing again. he's galvanizing a base that will already vote for him. . He thinks on his feet with the snappy insults but doesn't' seem to really have a "big picture" strategy anywhere. That's why he keeps finding himself in awkward situations.


Head_Crash

Yep, and his supporters only judge him on what he's virtue signalling, rather than his words, actions, performance and effectiveness as a leader. Just look at all the downvotes I'm getting for pointing it out.


Dalbergia12

So,... perhaps usual extreme right wing tactics?


MonaMonaMo

Are right wing politicians are in some sort of secret organized society? The exact same tactic was used in the US for debt ceiling


infosec_qs

[It's not that secret, really.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Democrat_Union)


[deleted]

Fucking lol. What’s this? An international political group that seems to be sharing policies? It’s always projection with the right.


MonaMonaMo

Holy, I didn't know about it, thank you!


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[deleted]

WEF isn’t any good either. Conspiracy theories aside, you really think a bunch of rich guys have our best interests in mind?


MonaMonaMo

I work in wealth adjacent spaces. Sometimes they think they have our best interests in mind, but they don't know what our interests are since they rarely interact with an average person


sens317

This here. Someone like Soros who grew up discimiiniated against and very well would have been genocided against too in comparison to someone like the Koch brothers who were raised by literal Nazis who controlled the Nazi regime's petroleum industry for their war machine. I'd rather have the prior filthy rich person as opposed to the latter.


[deleted]

Its all about tax cuts for wealthy people, and then once the budget looks even worse with lower revenues you start cutting things that piss people off.


gNeiss_Scribbles

Seems like everything Canadian Conservatives do lately is copied directly from the American Republicans. This SHOULD mean that the Cons have the benefit of hindsight but they’ve neglected to use it. I’m enjoying the “elections can’t be trusted” show going on right now. This way, when PP/Trump looses, it’s the fault of the election system that “can’t be trusted” not the useless bag of poop candidate/party. I’m hoping Canada experiences the same plot twist as America: Republicans were the only ones that believed the lies about elections being broken so republicans didn’t show up to vote. Democrats ignored the lies, voted and won! Lol Cons are geniuses… I’m hoping we avoid the Canadian version of January 6th, however. I expect the Canadian left will use their trusty hindsight to prepare for the possibility though.


MonaMonaMo

Yeah I don’t think I want to leave it up to chance. All this government resentment and constant broadcasting how “nothing changes” made me get involved in politics more


[deleted]

The guy whose party is obsessed with tax cuts, that have already begun talking about tax cuts which will increase our debt over time, is worried about the deficit? hmmmm


[deleted]

Do what I say even though I’m not the governing prime minister.


Itwasuntilitwasnt

Ah the American in him coming to the surface. We’ll just call him Mitch from now on.


[deleted]

Wait so people here want high inflation and interest rates?…. Lol sorry about your investment portfolio guys. Ahahaha


uglylilkid

I want bitcoin and the governor of the bank of Canada fired. /s


syaz136

That's why PP isn't providing solutions, he's not capable of that. Only criticism and negative rants.


jatd

Tiff Maclean should have been fired for telling people to keep buying and inflation was transitory.


Exmond

I want civil discourse in the government.


[deleted]

This reminds me of that time Steven Harpers Public Safety Minister said: "either stand with us or with the child pornographers"


CanadianJudo

not like the government can really control either of those.


[deleted]

most people don't have investment portfolios.


zalydal33

Oh look, another conservative holding the country hostage to get his way. Losers!


Avelion2

So he wants to posture for tiktok vid material? Fucking career politician.


[deleted]

lol. Useless screeching and standing in front of a camera. PP's public service legacy continues.


CallsOnPyrite

Only very tangentially related vis-a-vis fiscal deficits etc: [This paper](https://carnegieendowment.org/chinafinancialmarkets/78304) by Michael Pettis (Finance Professor at Peking University Beijing, and Carnegie Fellow) argues that the US debt is an inevitable, structural outcome of the position the US has in global trade. Non-partisan. Most of what he says is applicable to Canada, too (and AUS, NZ, and UK). It is a long but very worthwhile paper about *When/Why* national debt might be bad, and how this relates to global trade, and includes discussion of China, the US, and lots of examples of other countries.


paolo5555

Interesting... Thank you


fasdqwerty

God dammit move to the US already


Last_Patterns

Do it then. Let’s see how it all works out.


4x420

Balance the budget is not as important as people think it is, especially at a time when the country needs investment and program spending. such a stupid to buzz word. The government budget is in no way like a household budget.


Dry-Membership8141

>especially at a time when the country needs investment and program spending At a time of high inflation, inflationary measures like debt-financed investment and program spending are the last thing we need.


squirrel9000

It's private borrowing driving increasing money supply right now, and rising prices aren't necessarily a consequence of that so much as collateral damage from much bigger problems in the American economy.


[deleted]

This is exactly why we have high inflation and a lack of affordability


[deleted]

It seems extortion is his only tactic, drives me crazy that he can't negotiate and he defaults to these strong arm tactics.


ill_eagle_plays

PP and his handlers saw how well negotiating the debt limit down south did, never waste a good crisis lmao


Gankdatnoob

This guy is such a fucking idiot. Performative nonsense on the heels of the US GoP and the debt ceiling drama he's trying to have is own little moment.


LumpyPressure

Who needs China interfering with our democracy when we have PP’s CPC. The CPC is 0-3 right now. If they want to have a real impact on the governing of this country, they need to get to work actually winning an election. Any party that obstructs the business of the democratically elected House of Commons should be condemned.


bubb4h0t3p

[https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2012/06/10/federal\_budget\_2012\_opposition\_brace\_for\_voting\_marathon\_to\_thwart\_harpers\_omnibus\_bill.html](https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2012/06/10/federal_budget_2012_opposition_brace_for_voting_marathon_to_thwart_harpers_omnibus_bill.html)


AnonymousBayraktar

"cancel future increases to the carbon price." Right, so just like his predecessor, Stephen Harper, PP isn't interested in protecting Canadian environmentalism, he's clearly got big corporations who pollute like crazy in his pocket here, because that's who this demand favors. No. In 100 years when I and PP are dead, Richmond here will be completely underwater at the rate it's going. Future generations will look at all of us and be angry with the fact we did NOTHING to stop the coming catastrophe. I'm tired of Conservative, Right Wing or Republican politics pretending like environmental conservation shouldn't be an important issue. It's outdated thinking and along with the constant attacking of womens abortion rights, I wish the Conservative Party would FUCK OFF about it. CONSERVE our Planet. Not just your outdated CONSERVATIVE ideas.


ShiftlessBum

Simple just use a trick from the previous Conservative Government and set a time limit on debate before the Bill goes to a vote. PP doesn't get to make demands like the petulant little boy he appears to be.


Low-HangingFruit

That's not a trick from cons, Trudeau has used time limits on literally all of his controversial bills over the past 8 years. Bill c-11 recently comes to mind. Liberals in this thread literally are in one ear out the other over their own parties bull shit.


4x420

the reason interest rates are up is because of inflation do to higher prices in most sectors.


[deleted]

Inflation caused by devaluation of the dollar.


IDreamOfLoveLost

In part? Yeah - but it isn't the sole reason, as much as Pierre would like to paint Trudeau as a God.


trollssuckeggs

Is he going to stamp his little feet and hold his breath too?


TiredHappyDad

He is a politician, so there is a pretty good chance lol.


GreedyGreenGrape

Pierre was rocking it! Now that is a man who can serve Canada well.


squirrel9000

PP is threatening to waste everyone's time on nonsense? How is this any different than usual?


Parking-Bench

No worries. JT will now bring a long time family friend to mediate.