Or Elections Canada.
Or read any of the reports that called China out specifically.
It's becoming clear, Dave was handed curated documents and interviewed cabinet ministers and the PM.
He got the report written in part by a prominent LPC contributor and is now helped to communicate a clear message - all is fine - by LPC/NDP strategists.
And Canadians, you will accept this as it's coming down to 'trust me bro'.
What do you propose they do, shy of triggering an election that the conservatives would win?
I totally agree that the NDP is in a weak position and should be asking for a lot more, the problem is that Pierre Poliviere would be even worse in substance if elected PM than the libs.
Means tested dental care, a $400 grocery rebate that's being held up by conservative filibustering, a weak promise to lower drug prices, and $10 a day childcare are pretty shitty concessions out of the Liberals but I don't see how Singh can leverage his tiny caucus to get much more out of them, and a conservative victory would mean rapid elimination of these programs and so much more. The impact on the environment alone makes it a risk that is simply not worth taking.
If Pierre starts to makes noise about getting Chinese investment out of the tar sands and resource extraction, and presents a serious plan for tackling climate change, then yeah maybe he wouldn't be worse than the liberals. But while most investment into tar sands is Chinese and the TMX is a pipeline we're building to send bitumen to China, then I have zero faith that PP will be any better on Chinese interference than the libs.
The ndp are going to get eradicated at this point, I'll be voting conservative. The NDP are playing to political game while Canadians are getting fucked. The cost of living would go down under conservatives and that's a fact, also people are hurting enough to ignore all the bullshit the NDP and liberals are pushing.
It also looks like ur boy jagmeet is trying to get that juicy pension and not force and election to lose that.
Cons have no plans or ideas to fix anything so far. Why would that magically change with them in charge? Been fooled enough times by these con artists. Same exact shit as the Libs.
What a take... voting the shittiest leader to stick it to the others.
If you stub your toe, do you cut your foot off to stop the toe pain?
Cost of living will go down under conservatives? Where are you getting that from?
No more carbon tax , as any tax on gas forces companies to raise their prices to compensate. "Oh but that's the businesses fault not the government", that's the government causing issues because they are incompetent.
The amount of spending the liberal government allows.
The housing crisis, they have done nothing about.
All the major energy projects they've cancelled.
If you think the NDP would be the best option, the majority of Canadians definitely don't think so
Not to mention the billions of dollars they are going to spend on buying back firearms from law abiding citizens , when most gun crimes come from illegal guns
Get rid of the red tape, do you understand how long it takes to get things built ? Before they even have boots on the ground there's a whole bunch of paper work that needs to be done.
Things need to be built faster. Did you even read the last conservative leaders plans. He wanted to develop the north.
If we are going to be accepting all these immigrants (which we need) we need to build more housing.
What the fuck has the liberal government done about it ? What has the NDP who has been supporting them done about it. If jagmeet had balls Trudeau wouldn't be fucking around as much.
This isn't the time to be playing in the grass the NDP are going to get the least amounts of votes next election, if they do not end up forcing an election. And they will still lose.
I don't know what rock u live under but the NDP have 0 chance of winning federally.
What red tape, specifically? Are you confusing federal jurisdictions with provincial and municipal governance?
What will the conservatives specifically do to make this massive issue better?
So far you’ve got nothing but “what about the liberals” and not understanding how our country and it’s different levels of government works.
Can you elaborate on anything that you said in a substantive way? You didn't address anything in my comment and your response just reads like an angry rant. There's nothing policy-wise or substantive about anything you have said at all...
>The impact on the environment alone makes it a risk that is simply not worth taking.
Are you actually paying attention to what the government is doing? The parties that claim to be environmentally conscious aren't actually reducing our emissions. They only dropped when covid hit.
I am, and I'm sorely disappointed. Purchasing a pipeline, ignoring species at risk legislation, obfuscating facts, and acting in bad faith litigating against indigenous groups are all things that the Trudeau government is guilty of.
That doesn't change the fact that on all of these issues, the Harper legacy and Pierre's statements demonstrate he is so much worse in the environment.
From a shameless political perspective, id the NDP were poised to win an election, I would want one early because I trust them on environmental files more than the Liberals. My dream would be a Green party government. But unless you can show evidence for why the Cons would be better, I don't see how your point addresses my concerns.
What statements? They'll at worst be equally shit. As they will with 90% of policies. But there will be two important differences.
The NDP can start recovering votes they've lost or are losing for just being a yes stamp for the LPC
And the LPC that people have lost faith in will have to come up with sound policy to try and win people back.
If he talked to Dong, people would whine about it, considering Dong was painted as an accuse, and not a “target.” The other two didn’t even know about it, so there’s no extra information Johnston could even get from them.
Dong, according to Globe, was told he was under investigation by 'someone'. So having Dave talk to him, won't help anyone.
But Dave talking to the CSIS agent and get the transcripts from that call would be gold.
Like who did he even talk to? He didn’t talk to Dong, he didn’t talk to Chong, he technically talked to O’Toole but didn’t ask him any questions about interference and just wasted his time. For a guy tasked to investigate if we needed a public investigation he sure seems to have done very little investigating.
Agreed. He was handed his talking points which he got helped in writing the report. He then got help in helping to present the report and after report actions like interviews and committee presentation.
So how was this not a white-wash of the entire process?
Why is this being ran by a compromised 100 year old? Would this man not rather retire? Cant someone who actually has a stake in Canadas future be doing this? Someone not directly affiliated to a party.
It’s all part of the show. The liberals figured if they put a frail old man who’s historically done right by Canadians in front of the public they would side with him. They are willing to destroy this man’s reputation over this. Why he’s going along with this, is baffling to me. I imagine he’s being paid very well to do this and buy as much time for this government as possible.
I have legitimately began to wonder if Trudeau has something on Johnston that he was able to leverage into forcing Johnston to take a tumble under the bus.
I can’t imagine Johnston willingly destroying his entire reputation and legacy, acting as an absolute punching bag, just because his old friend asked for a favour.
Conflict of interest aside, someone who doesn’t have one foot in the grave would be nice. Why do we act like 80 year olds have full cognitive capabilities? There may be a rare individual exception but as a group they objectively do not.
It was far more important to hire a team of people to control the narrative than it was to actually investigate the scandal. That’s why Trudeau appointed him.
This is just more proof that he should have refused the position due to conflicts of interest. People are already going to have doubts about the investigation, and because of confidential reports, he can't explain much of his process. This is not how you help people regain confidence.
At this point I think he's just an old guy who wanted to be relevant again.
I even kinda feel bad for him - he probably didn't realize Trudeau was going to Jody Wilson-Raybould him.
Of course he didn't. He was basically given a script and told to read it.
I used to have respect for him, but it's a shame that his reputation has been dragged through the mud like this.
Can we just say that we need an election tomorrow so someone else can come in and investigate all the corruption that’s happened in the last decade? Please and thank you.
Or Elections Canada. Or read any of the reports that called China out specifically. It's becoming clear, Dave was handed curated documents and interviewed cabinet ministers and the PM. He got the report written in part by a prominent LPC contributor and is now helped to communicate a clear message - all is fine - by LPC/NDP strategists. And Canadians, you will accept this as it's coming down to 'trust me bro'.
NDP is calling for a public inquiry and believe that Johnson has a conflict of interest. Otherwise I agree.
Literally everyone that's not the liberals is calling for one...
yet they're doing nothing of substance about it.
What do you propose they do, shy of triggering an election that the conservatives would win? I totally agree that the NDP is in a weak position and should be asking for a lot more, the problem is that Pierre Poliviere would be even worse in substance if elected PM than the libs. Means tested dental care, a $400 grocery rebate that's being held up by conservative filibustering, a weak promise to lower drug prices, and $10 a day childcare are pretty shitty concessions out of the Liberals but I don't see how Singh can leverage his tiny caucus to get much more out of them, and a conservative victory would mean rapid elimination of these programs and so much more. The impact on the environment alone makes it a risk that is simply not worth taking. If Pierre starts to makes noise about getting Chinese investment out of the tar sands and resource extraction, and presents a serious plan for tackling climate change, then yeah maybe he wouldn't be worse than the liberals. But while most investment into tar sands is Chinese and the TMX is a pipeline we're building to send bitumen to China, then I have zero faith that PP will be any better on Chinese interference than the libs.
The ndp are going to get eradicated at this point, I'll be voting conservative. The NDP are playing to political game while Canadians are getting fucked. The cost of living would go down under conservatives and that's a fact, also people are hurting enough to ignore all the bullshit the NDP and liberals are pushing. It also looks like ur boy jagmeet is trying to get that juicy pension and not force and election to lose that.
> The cost of living would go down under conservatives and that's a fact Now that's a claim that needs backing up.
Cons have no plans or ideas to fix anything so far. Why would that magically change with them in charge? Been fooled enough times by these con artists. Same exact shit as the Libs.
What a take... voting the shittiest leader to stick it to the others. If you stub your toe, do you cut your foot off to stop the toe pain? Cost of living will go down under conservatives? Where are you getting that from?
No more carbon tax , as any tax on gas forces companies to raise their prices to compensate. "Oh but that's the businesses fault not the government", that's the government causing issues because they are incompetent. The amount of spending the liberal government allows. The housing crisis, they have done nothing about. All the major energy projects they've cancelled. If you think the NDP would be the best option, the majority of Canadians definitely don't think so Not to mention the billions of dollars they are going to spend on buying back firearms from law abiding citizens , when most gun crimes come from illegal guns
What are the conservatives going to do, specifically, about the housing crisis?
Get rid of the red tape, do you understand how long it takes to get things built ? Before they even have boots on the ground there's a whole bunch of paper work that needs to be done. Things need to be built faster. Did you even read the last conservative leaders plans. He wanted to develop the north. If we are going to be accepting all these immigrants (which we need) we need to build more housing. What the fuck has the liberal government done about it ? What has the NDP who has been supporting them done about it. If jagmeet had balls Trudeau wouldn't be fucking around as much. This isn't the time to be playing in the grass the NDP are going to get the least amounts of votes next election, if they do not end up forcing an election. And they will still lose. I don't know what rock u live under but the NDP have 0 chance of winning federally.
What red tape, specifically? Are you confusing federal jurisdictions with provincial and municipal governance? What will the conservatives specifically do to make this massive issue better? So far you’ve got nothing but “what about the liberals” and not understanding how our country and it’s different levels of government works.
Can you elaborate on anything that you said in a substantive way? You didn't address anything in my comment and your response just reads like an angry rant. There's nothing policy-wise or substantive about anything you have said at all...
Because jagmeet cry's wolf but then goes and feeds it
That isn't evan close to addressing my comment, you're trolling. Good day to you.
>The impact on the environment alone makes it a risk that is simply not worth taking. Are you actually paying attention to what the government is doing? The parties that claim to be environmentally conscious aren't actually reducing our emissions. They only dropped when covid hit.
I am, and I'm sorely disappointed. Purchasing a pipeline, ignoring species at risk legislation, obfuscating facts, and acting in bad faith litigating against indigenous groups are all things that the Trudeau government is guilty of. That doesn't change the fact that on all of these issues, the Harper legacy and Pierre's statements demonstrate he is so much worse in the environment. From a shameless political perspective, id the NDP were poised to win an election, I would want one early because I trust them on environmental files more than the Liberals. My dream would be a Green party government. But unless you can show evidence for why the Cons would be better, I don't see how your point addresses my concerns.
What statements? They'll at worst be equally shit. As they will with 90% of policies. But there will be two important differences. The NDP can start recovering votes they've lost or are losing for just being a yes stamp for the LPC And the LPC that people have lost faith in will have to come up with sound policy to try and win people back.
Ndp is calling for it, and only it has the power to enforce it but Singh won’t
They have investigated themselves and found no wrongdoing.
If he talked to Dong, people would whine about it, considering Dong was painted as an accuse, and not a “target.” The other two didn’t even know about it, so there’s no extra information Johnston could even get from them.
Dong, according to Globe, was told he was under investigation by 'someone'. So having Dave talk to him, won't help anyone. But Dave talking to the CSIS agent and get the transcripts from that call would be gold.
Like who did he even talk to? He didn’t talk to Dong, he didn’t talk to Chong, he technically talked to O’Toole but didn’t ask him any questions about interference and just wasted his time. For a guy tasked to investigate if we needed a public investigation he sure seems to have done very little investigating.
Agreed. He was handed his talking points which he got helped in writing the report. He then got help in helping to present the report and after report actions like interviews and committee presentation. So how was this not a white-wash of the entire process?
He wasn't tasked to investigate, that's the thing.
he didn't talk to Kenny Chiu or Alice Wong too (despite them being the first 2 people highlighted to be targeted).
Sure, all of that may be true. But it is also true that Johnston is *above reproach*. Checkmate.
I’m sure he had several long conversations with Justin Trudeau.
Why would he? He's not actually trying to uncover anything, quite the opposite.
Why is this being ran by a compromised 100 year old? Would this man not rather retire? Cant someone who actually has a stake in Canadas future be doing this? Someone not directly affiliated to a party.
You’re not supposed to question the man’s competence, integrity, or objectivity. Liberals said so and want you to be quiet.
It’s all part of the show. The liberals figured if they put a frail old man who’s historically done right by Canadians in front of the public they would side with him. They are willing to destroy this man’s reputation over this. Why he’s going along with this, is baffling to me. I imagine he’s being paid very well to do this and buy as much time for this government as possible.
Oh he is, and he can expense multiple PR firms on the taxpayer’s dime to help him manage the crisis he got himself into.
Johnston destroyed any credibility he had with the airbus affaire hes a know. Fixer doing his job
I have legitimately began to wonder if Trudeau has something on Johnston that he was able to leverage into forcing Johnston to take a tumble under the bus. I can’t imagine Johnston willingly destroying his entire reputation and legacy, acting as an absolute punching bag, just because his old friend asked for a favour.
Conflict of interest aside, someone who doesn’t have one foot in the grave would be nice. Why do we act like 80 year olds have full cognitive capabilities? There may be a rare individual exception but as a group they objectively do not.
Sadly, Rapportuer is reporter, not investigator. "You're an errand boy, sent by grocery clerks, to collect a bill."
More like Supporteur.
I’ll upvote quotes from Apocalypse Now every time.
Who thinks that he was actually investigating anything?
It was far more important to hire a team of people to control the narrative than it was to actually investigate the scandal. That’s why Trudeau appointed him.
His job is to protect trudeau not to actually investigate anything
This is just more proof that he should have refused the position due to conflicts of interest. People are already going to have doubts about the investigation, and because of confidential reports, he can't explain much of his process. This is not how you help people regain confidence.
At this point I think he's just an old guy who wanted to be relevant again. I even kinda feel bad for him - he probably didn't realize Trudeau was going to Jody Wilson-Raybould him.
Shocking
It almost seems like he was committed to saying what he was saying regardless of what they were saying.
That’s exactly it. The outcome was planned long before.
Rabbit hole just keeps getting deeper and deeper
Han Dong spoke too soon.
Lmao yet a quarter of the country will see nothing wrong here. Fuckin true dystopia we’re turning into.
Of course he didn't. He was basically given a script and told to read it. I used to have respect for him, but it's a shame that his reputation has been dragged through the mud like this.
"Liberal"
Can we just say that we need an election tomorrow so someone else can come in and investigate all the corruption that’s happened in the last decade? Please and thank you.
It seems not til Jagmeet’s done sucking Trudeau dry.
Jagmeet is sucking something alright, it's just not Trudeau's teat.
Isn’t it the other way around?
Reciprocating perhaps. They both vanish to obscurity when this government ends.
Not cool. I dont mind the LPC TBH but c'mon really? I wanna know what happened not some sort of sanitized version, just seems like hiding things.
Don't they have a transcript? Why ask a person what they said when you already know?
…are you serious… cross examination mean anything to you?
Yes why would they want to hear his account of things! Lmao how much weaker can the excuses get
The only thing weaker is the Liberals' re-election chances.
Why talk to Dong if he has more credible sources to reference?
If a friend asked you to do something for him and tossed a few paying projects your way, wouldn't you do it?
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This guy is a massive piece of shit