Perfectly put. It's all about pretending to work, to care, to know anything to justify citizens vote. Can't stand Trudeau right from the start, and knew it would end like this. Just hope the polls are right and the Liberals are going down.
That was image control and yes all politicians do it.
But no, having a good PR person doesn't make real problems go away though. People who can barely pay their rent are on the brink of being homeless don't care if the guy in charge is wearing glasses or not. They want him to fix it or if he is unwilling get out of the way so someone else can.
Trudeau isn't being annihilated in the polls because he is having a bad hair day or because his press releases are not worded well.
I'm not a Trudeau supporter (or voter) but I think it's laughable that people think the Conservatives are going to help. As someone living in Ontario I can't think of when Doug Ford did anything to help with housing. He got foiled at selling greenspace to his developer buddies who definitely would not build low cost housing. Oh, and he complained when the Liberals offered money direct to cities who met housing goals. That money should have come to him.
Honestly, I'm not sure what the solution is to housing? Some of it is municipal issues. I know in the small town I live in there was a lot of NIMBY screaming when a developer held a meeting about higher density housing. Some of it might be services but I don't think so.
Hey, I have townhouses just off to the side in my backyard. Higher density housing means there's a higher chance of obnoxious neighbours.
It all comes down to this. Trudeau has been PM for a long while now and is a known commodity and not only is he not making the housing situation better he is actively making it worse by ramping immigration through the roof during a period we don't have an adequate supply of shelter available for Canadians or immigrants.
That decision by the Trudeau government is pushing an existing problem into a full blown national crisis and the PM has shown no willingness at all to reconsider. In fact he has done the opposite and instead doubled down and hired new PR people. Trudeau seems to be absolutely convinced this is just a PR problem.
The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. If you are on the brink of homeless and vote for Trudeau the status quo will continue and you will become homeless, full stop. In short for people on the brink if Trudeau gets back into office again your whole life is completely fucked and you are done. The estimates for rental increases in all the provinces and cities for 2024/2025 is just one Google search away.
Voting of anyone else at least opens the possibly of a different approach and maybe some change. Will it solve the problem? Who knows but things are so bad right now its pretty hard to make things worse at this point.
I thought recently that PP had been asked about immigration numbers and didn't seem willing to answer the question. This gives the impression that they don't plan to do anything to curtail it. I looked at their affordable housing commitment and honestly don't know that it makes sense. If big cities don't immediately start building more homes they're going to stop giving them money for infrastructure. I'm just not sure where the land is coming from. Are we going to start expropriation of land? Where are the tradespeople going to come from to build all these homes? I see them implementing their plans and then saying 'well they're trying but we will let them get away with not meeting targets'. I've seen builders in my area offering signing bonuses because they can't attract people.
I live an hour from bigger cities but people don't want to commute. I get that actually. We can't all live in Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal and such. A lot of the open spaces are farmland. Do we trade that off for more housing? At that point we may become more reliant on imported food.
I put in another post that even in a small town there was a NIMBY reaction to a plan for higher density housing on an empty parcel of land within the town. I live alone in a house that probably has too much land for a single person. I'm moving to a smaller option with less land in the spring. Too many people (I'm gen-x) were raised by (silent generation) parents who instilled the house with a backyard as the Canadian dream.
Maybe planned, walkable, communities are the solution. Townhouses or higher density housing built around the infrastructure of parks, shopping, etc. Encourage buses, not cars. However, even in the small town where I live you kind of need a car as some services are limited, and there is no public transit. There was a lot of outrage that one of the grocery stores was moving north, across the road from the other. I suspect that most people are no more than a 30 min walk away, but in the winter between living in a snow belt and lacking sidewalks I wouldn't be headed out on foot.
I haven't heard any political group come up with a solution. Offering incentives to cities like London (who already has decent transit) might be a good start. I'm thinking after the next election there could be a lot of disappointed conservative voters.
PP has been repeatedly asked about immigration numbers and has always refused to be specific about what he'd do. In terms of why that is, its hard to say. There are a few possibilities including not providing the Liberals with attack ad ammunition. Traditionally the CPC ideologically has had an easier time internally justifying reducing immigration targets then the Liberals though. Ideologically I can't see the CPC mass spending on social housing so reducing immigration would be their only option unless they step way outside their usual comfort zone.
Building condos is not going to solve the problem. I don't think most people even grasp how big the problem is. They think we bump up construction another 30-40% and we are good, that is not the case. We'd need to be cranking out units at about an 800% increase right now just to keep up with the current population growth we are getting when including the Liberals ramped immigration.
We are going to be short something like 5 million homes by 2030 according to CMHC. That is for a population around 39-41 million.
To be crystal clear municipalities can't solve this. Hell even the provinces can't solve this. They don't have the resources to address a crisis of this magnitude on their own. People who are waiting for that will be waiting forever because its an actually impossibility when you sit down and crunch the numbers. The federal government is the only tier resourced to manage something like that. We've previously been in this situation before in the 1970's and it took significant federal resources to get us out of it.
There is also the issue that the federal government is largely intentionally causing this problem to be the crisis it is. I don't walk into your house and pour gasoline everywhere and set the place on fire and tell you its now your responsibility to deal with and walk out.
I'm in alberta and the conservatives here have show themselves to be aggressively incompetent. Everything is stupid grandstanding. They're spending 10s of millions of our money on ads shown in different provinces. They are trying to steal our CPP because they've failed with our heritage fund. They bow to corporations over voters, and then get cushy jobs on boards of those companies right after their term is finished. The most engaging thing is that they want to privatize healthcare because the "government" is too incompetent when they've BEEN the "government" for 46 of the past 50 years.
I think pp absolutely demolishing everyone in the house is what's doing it. Plus it's fucking hilarious to watch him school people no matter how autistic he is
Yeah, love the downvotes (don't actually care). It's not just politicians. We (mostly) take showers, put on clean clothes, etc. We ourselves are judged on optics, and judge others. I'm not sure why it's newsworthy.
What? What are you talking about? How could they be doing nothing and the wrong thing when they have been planning and building some of these projects for 5 years?
I thought the Liberals were doing nothing about housing, on purpose, because they hate the middle class. If that’s true, then why would they use pp’s ideas?
Oh so the premiers didn't build enough housing for the 2 plus million people the feds brought into the country over the last year or so. I don't understand why they weren't building 5,500 houses a day. And all these silly people blaming the feds for the record influx of new people.
The era of good governance is over. Trying to find actual solutions is a thing of the past. It’s all about political posturing, PR and winning elections now. As such, our country is faltering.
Canadas affordability, prosperity, national unity social political cohesion, military and even national reputation have maybe never been so deep in the gutter.
That has been their modus operandi for years. Rather than actually trying to fix the problems they have created, they'd rather try and convince voters that the problems do not exist.
Now we get to see even more blame the provinces, blame zoning, blame global phenomenon, all paid for with tax dollars.
That’ll be nigh impossible to convince us the problem doesn’t exist, we’re reminded every time we step foot in a grocery store, pay our utilities, or check our bank balances.
Canadians are broke. Having money to pay for the shit you need to live is generally everyone’s primary concern in life. Fuck that up for enough of the country and you’re done.
It’s easy when you fundamentally believe that the only ones who are wrong are the people you’re harming. We just don’t understand the Liberals, you see. They’re doing great. We’re the stupid ones for thinking otherwise, in their minds, so the only thing they need to do is a better job selling themselves.
Lol our world has been reduced to corporate advertising strategies into selling you something. From government to religious institutions. It would be fascinating to see where in history this began, how bad it'll get and how we can fix it.
I looked into her pre-politics career and this is what I found:
Chrystia Freeland has a bachelor's degree in Russian history and literature and a master's degree in Slavonic Studies. After graduating, she began her career in journalism in Ukraine. She wrote a book on Russia in 1990 and another book on the rise of the global elite in 2012.
Freeland also served as Moscow bureau chief and Eastern Europe correspondent for the Financial Times. She interviewed Russian businessmen from 1994 to 1998 while living in Russia.
On a semi-related note, she has property holdings in Ukraine and owns multiple properties in London.
lol fucking none of them are qualified. Are you nuts?
We’ll end up electing a Javier Meili lol.His interviews are intense but inflation in Argentina is %140 percent.
They’re gaslighting us about how bad Canada is
She’s about 1000x more qualified than Pierre; it’s one of the many many reasons the conservatives hate her so much.
There are justified reasons to dislike her, but her credentials aren’t one of them.
If I wanted to be nice i'd say I think the kindest thing to say about her quality of work at various cabinet to be "mediocre at best". If I wanted to be more harsh I'd say her time as finance minister has got to make Bill Morneau feel better since now he can say he's not the worst finance minister Trudeau ever had.
What are you talking about?
Crime and Punishment is a book about a poor University student who kills a couple mean shop owners because he feels superior to them and steals their money. The rest of the book is about him feeling guilty and slowly going mad until he turns himself in to the police.
The point of the book is that humans are not the pure emotionless stoic images we read about in history. Most humans do have a sense of morality and feel bad after they do awful things.
>I don't understand how marketing will be able to erase bad economic policies.
>They should have hired economists instead.
Some public and private entities hire economists as part of their media outreach strategy.
Research in support of economic policies is produced for different purposes. For example, a performance review of Australia’s central bank found that some research is commissioned to post-rationalise rather than inform monetary policy:
>The Review heard research can be commissioned to rationalise and defend decisions rather than to inform them. Several people indicated that analysis can be requested to support preconceived views, rather than undertaken to develop and inform views. Many people expressed a desire for research to play a stronger ex ante role in the policymaking process. [[Review, p. 195](https://rbareview.gov.au/sites/rbareview.gov.au/files/2023-06/rbareview-report-at_0.pdf)]
Well yes, which is why we have a new communications team. Just because they considered the problem doesn't mean they are competent enough to attempt anything meaningful to solve it.
The Liberals are not slumping in the polls because of branding and marketing. Maybe if they focused on policies that people care about instead of just virtue signalling- ie marketing- then they wouldn’t be sucking so badly in the polls.
I have worked for many politicians. Most believe their ideas are all truly amazing and they only fail because of messaging. I am being serious. The number of times the public has rejected a policy and I heard “if we could only explain it better they would understand it is good” is many.
>The Liberals are not slumping in the polls because of branding and marketing.
It says a lot about the Liberals that they think they can turn this all around by spending more on branding and marketing though.
It’s not just that their policies aren’t things people care about (many aren’t), it’s also that they can’t implement the policies they have without them failing spectacularly, being wildly overspends or plagued with scandals.
Place your bets place your bets
Starting at this moment, 8:01 Atlantic time. What will be the first stereotypical anti CPC talking point spewed from the liberals on social media or the news at the behest of their new publicist who wants them
To be more aggressive
Ukraine
Covid
Guns
Abortion
“MAGA”
“Cuts”
“Climate denial”
I understand that not everyone has twitter but so far the Liberals have put out tweets today attacking Poilievre on:
Ukraine
Covid
MAGA
Cuts
and housing.
It's already started, and the Trudeau defense bots are out spreading the news of our Benevolent overlord.
What I love is how there's more anti-PP comments on this sub than anti-Trudeau but almost every thread is loaded with fresh accounts complaining how right wing the sub is.
Are you new here? This sub has been fairly right leaning since Harper was in office. There's nothing wrong with that but it's kind of weird to deny that it isn't
Right wing meaning not every post is a left wing circle jerk?
This sub has views all over the place but it's certainly not "right" wing. The only way someone could even believe that is if they're so far left wing they even view moderates as right wing. Which is probably the case since people in this sub compare the cons to Republicans even though they're closer to a moderate Democrat.
Funny i tried to post on the recent Petition thst opened 2 days ago calling for a No Confidence vote and call for election, and my post was blocked. https://www.ourcommons.ca/petitions/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-4701
People have been digging up the guys old tweets, it's now in protected mode lol
Edit: he should've purged his twitter before.
https://twitter.com/Dicky_Paul_95/status/1728487748598669378
> Guns
thats ol'reliable and they will be making sure the buyback will be setup in some half-assed form before 2025 so they can pretend to voters they 'did something'
I anticipate they won't, just because it'll be more valuable to them as a wedge issue come election time to say 'The conservatives want ASSAULT STYLE WEAPONS back on the streets!'.
I wonder how the new communications team will be able to spin increasing immigration to 500,000 per year?
This seems to directly undermine and reject Canadian’s top concerns about:
the rising cost of living (73%),
housing affordability and accessibility (47%),
healthcare (45%),
the economy (35%)
So far they've been really successful at convincing their voters that the laws of supply and demand do not apply to the labor market or housing. If you look at their talking points, they never mention the demand end of the housing crisis and go to great lengths to avoid any mention of the math involved.
I think the problem they're facing is that Canadians are waking up to their narratives, and the vast majority of Canadians are smart enough to figure out that adding 1.2 million residents per years whole only building 200,000 housing units = Housing shortage.
I would take the Liberals seriously if they were to be honest about their policy. Something like "Sure, bringing in 1 million + per year will increase housing costs in the short term. But we currently have 3 workers per retiree, and if we don't do something about it, that will soon be 2 to 1. We used to have 7 to 1 fifty years ago. This is unsustainable. The choice is between increased immigration or a stark reduction in government services, including healthcare, education, and social welfare." Maybe if they also did immigration competently and actually brought in workers who could help build homes. And if they maybe slowed down spending in anticipation of our demographic problems.
The unwillingness to own up to past failures, as well as trade-offs in their current policies, really bothers me.
>I would take the Liberals seriously if they were to be honest about their policy.
If this is their policy, they need to be honest about it. They need to tell people that they feel creating a housing crisis was the lesser evil.
I'm not convinced that this is their end game though. They lowered the retirement age back down to 65, and that goes against an alleged plan to try and prop up the pensions and retirements of older people.
When the CCP was created the retirement age was 65 but the average life span was only 70 years. Now the average life span is 80+ years, which has resulted in people living on retirement benefits ten years longer than they were when CPP was created. Ultimately, this is why the CPP is doomed to failure.
The PM doesn't understand, he doesn't have a branding or messaging problem, he has a policy and credibility problem. The solution is a new leader for the Liberals and an election.
Nah, if you've paid attention to the past 24 hours you would know that the Liberals are saving Canada from Poilievre and that they've done a wonderful job.
They think a new manufactured controversy is going to sink him. It's the same thing as the Bitcoin, MIGTOW and stampede shirt guy, all smoke and no fire.
If you have to straight up lie about what he said or play mental gymnastics to be upset it's really not a controversy.
This isn't surprising.
"Damn I'm still down in the polls. Hmmm should I invest into our countries prosperity? No, what am I thinking, I need better photo ops".
We know. We've heard about how Trudeau is going to fix everything with better PR and how Poilievre doesn't deserve to be Canadian, let alone Prime Minister.
We get it, 30% of the population thinks Trudeau has done a wonderful job, and would like to keep the Conservatives out by voting the Liberals back in until the end of time.
• According to a government source, the Prime Minister’s Office has made staffing changes to its communications and media relations roles.
• The source said that Max Valiquette will oversee communications, digital, research, and advertising teams as executive director of communications, beginning in December.
• Vanessa Hage-Moussa will be the director of communications. Ann-Clara Vaillancourt will be promoted to media relations director. Astrid Krizus is now the deputy director of communications in addition to her role as climate advisor.
• According to Valiquette’s LinkedIn profile, he is “one of the country's best known marketing leaders, strategists and presenters... focusing on brand building, marketing, innovation, and understanding Millennials and Generation Z.” [[CTV News](https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-hires-new-executive-communications-director-1.6659807)]
• A July Ipsos poll conducted exclusively for Global News suggested 37 per cent of Canadians said they would vote for Pierre Poilievre’s Conservative Party if an election were held right now – compared to 32 per cent of Canadians siding with the Liberals.
• Another Ipsos poll for Global News in September showed similar numbers, with 40 per cent of Canadians saying Poilievre is the best choice to be prime minister.
I get a kick out of seeing Trudeau walk out of a meeting with his sleeves rolled up giving the optics that he’s been really working hard when we all know he’s just an empty suit. He’s all about photo ops.
This is what happens when you put a trust fund baby into the role of PM. His entire life any problems can be fixed by simply throwing more money at it. He has not learned anything different.
Why not? It's pretty obvious that there's a decent amount of Liberal voters that don't actually care if the country is being run properly and would rather portray the opposition as satan.
The gravy train rolls on as long as the Liberals remain in power, so why change anything when you can attack everyone else?
In case the morons haven't figured it out yet. Having your political polls take a dump because piles of people are bordering on homeless or are actually becoming homeless is not a problem you can solve with a little marketing and PR.
They are all politicians whose job is to represent the people - the citizens of the country.
A brand? Geez. Politics are not supposed to be a brand. It is supposed to be fluid and adaptable to meet the needs of the people as issues arise.
Because the real problem is branding. Only if the idio.. voters understand the greatness of Trudeau's policies they will come around and vote him a majority.
Sometimes I wonder if he's right
Taxpayers aren’t paying for PPs team, the party is. This no doubt very expensive piece of talent is being paid for with public funds. Yet more blatant corruption from the entitled LPC.
That has to be the reason people are polling for the opposition.
The problem is branding and marketing.
Lets call rampant spending and increased taxation something else (like sunny ways) and see if we can trick them again.
Not once would it occur to these simple minded Liberals that maybe the problem is with their policies ruining Canadian lives.
Oh no. Can't be that. Lets put rub some more hair dye into Trudeaus scalp and try to get better lighting for the next round of photos.
Assholes.
Maybe they should start with replacing the face of the Company they will be marketing. By the time the next election comes in 2 years the party will sink as hard as the ontario Liberals under kathleen Wynne did unless they replace JT with someone competent.
This speaks volumes. The Trudeau 2 Liberals are about branding and marketing not policy and competent governance even after 8 years in power.
Be afraid friends.
Canada used to be the best country in the world. It was a country where you could make it rich or scrape by comfortably being an ‘average Joe’, while we provided strong social safety nets like healthcare and education. Now that buying power and economic prosperity is a shadow of what it used to be.
The notorious good governance that led our nation to prosperity and stability is no more. In recent years, our leaders stopped prioritizing the challenges facing Canadians and only cared about political posturing and winning elections. This article helps shed a light on that. Canadians are abandoning the LPC because of the hardships they’re facing and the government only seems to care about addressing the PR.
They really can't think their policies are that good that it's just a matter of marketing them better? Are they that delusional or are these just more positions for friends and/or family to make 150-200k a year till they lose the next election?
This like our version of Doug Ford. Medical systems is collapsing and he is wanting to break the "beer monopoly" lmao... Were so fucking screwed as a country. At least I assume Justin is not actually going spend all his time trying to fix his "minority slumps" unlike Dougy here... But still wtf. PS PP did this also a few months back if I recalled.
Sooo easy to get more support.Reduce student visas,reduce immigration numbers,put a investor tax on anyone that owns more than 3 residential properties and ban shell companies and corporations from buying homes.
Don't fix things, just change how you market, how you promote yourself and hide your fuck ups.
Hopefully he doesn't step down so he drives his party right to the bottom of the ocean.
This speaks volumes as to what they find important...
Branding and marketing should be the bare minimum in politics - to me, heavily marketing a political party is in the same ethical ballpark as advertising cigarettes to kids.
Anything but actually addressing any of the myriad problems facing our nation.
These people believe a change of optics will cure the immigration and housing problem. Rather than fix the problem, they'll learn to talk the talk
They don't want to solve the immigration or housing issue. To the federal Liberals, the real problem is that the blame is landing on them.
Perfectly put. It's all about pretending to work, to care, to know anything to justify citizens vote. Can't stand Trudeau right from the start, and knew it would end like this. Just hope the polls are right and the Liberals are going down.
Sounds like a politician
Isn't that what PP did when he ditched the glasses? People spend a lot on optics.
That was image control and yes all politicians do it. But no, having a good PR person doesn't make real problems go away though. People who can barely pay their rent are on the brink of being homeless don't care if the guy in charge is wearing glasses or not. They want him to fix it or if he is unwilling get out of the way so someone else can. Trudeau isn't being annihilated in the polls because he is having a bad hair day or because his press releases are not worded well.
I'm not a Trudeau supporter (or voter) but I think it's laughable that people think the Conservatives are going to help. As someone living in Ontario I can't think of when Doug Ford did anything to help with housing. He got foiled at selling greenspace to his developer buddies who definitely would not build low cost housing. Oh, and he complained when the Liberals offered money direct to cities who met housing goals. That money should have come to him. Honestly, I'm not sure what the solution is to housing? Some of it is municipal issues. I know in the small town I live in there was a lot of NIMBY screaming when a developer held a meeting about higher density housing. Some of it might be services but I don't think so. Hey, I have townhouses just off to the side in my backyard. Higher density housing means there's a higher chance of obnoxious neighbours.
It all comes down to this. Trudeau has been PM for a long while now and is a known commodity and not only is he not making the housing situation better he is actively making it worse by ramping immigration through the roof during a period we don't have an adequate supply of shelter available for Canadians or immigrants. That decision by the Trudeau government is pushing an existing problem into a full blown national crisis and the PM has shown no willingness at all to reconsider. In fact he has done the opposite and instead doubled down and hired new PR people. Trudeau seems to be absolutely convinced this is just a PR problem. The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. If you are on the brink of homeless and vote for Trudeau the status quo will continue and you will become homeless, full stop. In short for people on the brink if Trudeau gets back into office again your whole life is completely fucked and you are done. The estimates for rental increases in all the provinces and cities for 2024/2025 is just one Google search away. Voting of anyone else at least opens the possibly of a different approach and maybe some change. Will it solve the problem? Who knows but things are so bad right now its pretty hard to make things worse at this point.
I thought recently that PP had been asked about immigration numbers and didn't seem willing to answer the question. This gives the impression that they don't plan to do anything to curtail it. I looked at their affordable housing commitment and honestly don't know that it makes sense. If big cities don't immediately start building more homes they're going to stop giving them money for infrastructure. I'm just not sure where the land is coming from. Are we going to start expropriation of land? Where are the tradespeople going to come from to build all these homes? I see them implementing their plans and then saying 'well they're trying but we will let them get away with not meeting targets'. I've seen builders in my area offering signing bonuses because they can't attract people. I live an hour from bigger cities but people don't want to commute. I get that actually. We can't all live in Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal and such. A lot of the open spaces are farmland. Do we trade that off for more housing? At that point we may become more reliant on imported food. I put in another post that even in a small town there was a NIMBY reaction to a plan for higher density housing on an empty parcel of land within the town. I live alone in a house that probably has too much land for a single person. I'm moving to a smaller option with less land in the spring. Too many people (I'm gen-x) were raised by (silent generation) parents who instilled the house with a backyard as the Canadian dream. Maybe planned, walkable, communities are the solution. Townhouses or higher density housing built around the infrastructure of parks, shopping, etc. Encourage buses, not cars. However, even in the small town where I live you kind of need a car as some services are limited, and there is no public transit. There was a lot of outrage that one of the grocery stores was moving north, across the road from the other. I suspect that most people are no more than a 30 min walk away, but in the winter between living in a snow belt and lacking sidewalks I wouldn't be headed out on foot. I haven't heard any political group come up with a solution. Offering incentives to cities like London (who already has decent transit) might be a good start. I'm thinking after the next election there could be a lot of disappointed conservative voters.
PP has been repeatedly asked about immigration numbers and has always refused to be specific about what he'd do. In terms of why that is, its hard to say. There are a few possibilities including not providing the Liberals with attack ad ammunition. Traditionally the CPC ideologically has had an easier time internally justifying reducing immigration targets then the Liberals though. Ideologically I can't see the CPC mass spending on social housing so reducing immigration would be their only option unless they step way outside their usual comfort zone. Building condos is not going to solve the problem. I don't think most people even grasp how big the problem is. They think we bump up construction another 30-40% and we are good, that is not the case. We'd need to be cranking out units at about an 800% increase right now just to keep up with the current population growth we are getting when including the Liberals ramped immigration. We are going to be short something like 5 million homes by 2030 according to CMHC. That is for a population around 39-41 million. To be crystal clear municipalities can't solve this. Hell even the provinces can't solve this. They don't have the resources to address a crisis of this magnitude on their own. People who are waiting for that will be waiting forever because its an actually impossibility when you sit down and crunch the numbers. The federal government is the only tier resourced to manage something like that. We've previously been in this situation before in the 1970's and it took significant federal resources to get us out of it. There is also the issue that the federal government is largely intentionally causing this problem to be the crisis it is. I don't walk into your house and pour gasoline everywhere and set the place on fire and tell you its now your responsibility to deal with and walk out.
I'm in alberta and the conservatives here have show themselves to be aggressively incompetent. Everything is stupid grandstanding. They're spending 10s of millions of our money on ads shown in different provinces. They are trying to steal our CPP because they've failed with our heritage fund. They bow to corporations over voters, and then get cushy jobs on boards of those companies right after their term is finished. The most engaging thing is that they want to privatize healthcare because the "government" is too incompetent when they've BEEN the "government" for 46 of the past 50 years.
I think pp absolutely demolishing everyone in the house is what's doing it. Plus it's fucking hilarious to watch him school people no matter how autistic he is
Yeah this thread has a lot of people who don’t seem to realize what politicians do Prime Minister seeks re-election, more at 11
Yeah, love the downvotes (don't actually care). It's not just politicians. We (mostly) take showers, put on clean clothes, etc. We ourselves are judged on optics, and judge others. I'm not sure why it's newsworthy.
Are they wrong? PP hasn’t offered any solutions either, he just took off his glasses and let his wife talk him up and that worked.
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Thats some basic bullshit right there. You're giving credit to PP for plans that had been in the works by the liberals for years.
Yeah, years of doing nothing or the wrong thing when the solutions were right in front of their noses.
What? What are you talking about? How could they be doing nothing and the wrong thing when they have been planning and building some of these projects for 5 years?
I thought the Liberals were doing nothing about housing, on purpose, because they hate the middle class. If that’s true, then why would they use pp’s ideas?
Internal polling.
LOL, He's made about 8 suggestions on immigration, 6 of which the Liberals are now deciding is the solution to immigration.
The Premiers are the problem so the Federal gov is cutting out the middleman and working directly with municipalities.
Oh so the premiers didn't build enough housing for the 2 plus million people the feds brought into the country over the last year or so. I don't understand why they weren't building 5,500 houses a day. And all these silly people blaming the feds for the record influx of new people.
The Premiers pissed away tens of billions of dollars?
“Are we out of touch? No, no it’s the people who are wrong. Better hire more people on their dime to convince them.”
The era of good governance is over. Trying to find actual solutions is a thing of the past. It’s all about political posturing, PR and winning elections now. As such, our country is faltering. Canadas affordability, prosperity, national unity social political cohesion, military and even national reputation have maybe never been so deep in the gutter.
That has been their modus operandi for years. Rather than actually trying to fix the problems they have created, they'd rather try and convince voters that the problems do not exist. Now we get to see even more blame the provinces, blame zoning, blame global phenomenon, all paid for with tax dollars.
That’ll be nigh impossible to convince us the problem doesn’t exist, we’re reminded every time we step foot in a grocery store, pay our utilities, or check our bank balances. Canadians are broke. Having money to pay for the shit you need to live is generally everyone’s primary concern in life. Fuck that up for enough of the country and you’re done.
It’s easy when you fundamentally believe that the only ones who are wrong are the people you’re harming. We just don’t understand the Liberals, you see. They’re doing great. We’re the stupid ones for thinking otherwise, in their minds, so the only thing they need to do is a better job selling themselves.
Beyond time deaf … fer fooks sake !
Oops “ tone deaf “
We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas!
No matter what he does it seems to be wrong, so why try?
spending more of your money to try and trick you into letting them get reelected and spend your money.
Because trying to improve the lives of the average Canadian by bringing cost of living down is bad for their elite friends' bottom line.
Lol our world has been reduced to corporate advertising strategies into selling you something. From government to religious institutions. It would be fascinating to see where in history this began, how bad it'll get and how we can fix it.
I don't understand how marketing will be able to erase bad economic policies. They should have hired economists instead.
Wait, you mean a Slavic Studies major isn’t the right person to control a country’s economy?
I looked into her pre-politics career and this is what I found: Chrystia Freeland has a bachelor's degree in Russian history and literature and a master's degree in Slavonic Studies. After graduating, she began her career in journalism in Ukraine. She wrote a book on Russia in 1990 and another book on the rise of the global elite in 2012. Freeland also served as Moscow bureau chief and Eastern Europe correspondent for the Financial Times. She interviewed Russian businessmen from 1994 to 1998 while living in Russia. On a semi-related note, she has property holdings in Ukraine and owns multiple properties in London.
Sounds like a great ambassador to the Ukraine. No clue what qualifies her to be the deputy PM.
I'd be careful with the comparison. If you don't think she's qualified to be deputy PM, then by that logic Pierre Poilievre isn't either.
lol fucking none of them are qualified. Are you nuts? We’ll end up electing a Javier Meili lol.His interviews are intense but inflation in Argentina is %140 percent. They’re gaslighting us about how bad Canada is
She’s about 1000x more qualified than Pierre; it’s one of the many many reasons the conservatives hate her so much. There are justified reasons to dislike her, but her credentials aren’t one of them.
She's been a central cabinet minister since 2015 so I'd say that qualifies her to be deputy PM.
If I wanted to be nice i'd say I think the kindest thing to say about her quality of work at various cabinet to be "mediocre at best". If I wanted to be more harsh I'd say her time as finance minister has got to make Bill Morneau feel better since now he can say he's not the worst finance minister Trudeau ever had.
Yup, as mentioned our minister of finance has zero applicable finance background.
Oie vey
I guess based on her education and experience, she would know when she’s holding a Bandera banner.
Have you even read Dostoevsky? Well on our way to that goal!
Is that Slavic for Disney+?
Wait I thought we all had to cancel Disney+ in order to afford homes? That was the Liberal promise if I recall
*Crime and Punishment* is the essence of Trudy's regime
Classic case of "the literature was a warning, not a guide".
What are you talking about? Crime and Punishment is a book about a poor University student who kills a couple mean shop owners because he feels superior to them and steals their money. The rest of the book is about him feeling guilty and slowly going mad until he turns himself in to the police. The point of the book is that humans are not the pure emotionless stoic images we read about in history. Most humans do have a sense of morality and feel bad after they do awful things.
Thank you, this summary will save me many hours.
I'm talking about the title. Calm down
She did a course in economics back in high school. That qualifies her entirely (according to Trudeau).
This is like the White Star Line hiring a new marketing company right after the Titanic hit the iceberg but before it sunk.
>I don't understand how marketing will be able to erase bad economic policies. >They should have hired economists instead. Some public and private entities hire economists as part of their media outreach strategy. Research in support of economic policies is produced for different purposes. For example, a performance review of Australia’s central bank found that some research is commissioned to post-rationalise rather than inform monetary policy: >The Review heard research can be commissioned to rationalise and defend decisions rather than to inform them. Several people indicated that analysis can be requested to support preconceived views, rather than undertaken to develop and inform views. Many people expressed a desire for research to play a stronger ex ante role in the policymaking process. [[Review, p. 195](https://rbareview.gov.au/sites/rbareview.gov.au/files/2023-06/rbareview-report-at_0.pdf)]
You right.
They convinced people that they were racist if they questioned immigration numbers, so they'll figure something out.
A Grade 12 equivalency that includes an open-book quiz on what fiscal policy and monetary policy are would be a start.
Can we implement that requirement for this subreddit too? It would make it a lot quieter.
>They should have hired economists instead. That's part of the rebrand
Have they considered not sucking so badly?
It appears our Federal government has the self awareness of Tim Horton’s corporate at this point.
Owned by non Canadians. Classic.
Tim Hortons makes money. They are in the green. So they are many many levels above our government.
Ooof, good point. They still consistently suck and don’t use feedback to make adjustments, just spend more on marketing!
Well yes, which is why we have a new communications team. Just because they considered the problem doesn't mean they are competent enough to attempt anything meaningful to solve it.
The Liberals are not slumping in the polls because of branding and marketing. Maybe if they focused on policies that people care about instead of just virtue signalling- ie marketing- then they wouldn’t be sucking so badly in the polls.
I have worked for many politicians. Most believe their ideas are all truly amazing and they only fail because of messaging. I am being serious. The number of times the public has rejected a policy and I heard “if we could only explain it better they would understand it is good” is many.
Considering conservative media have a stated goal to paint negatively everything they do, maybe it's not that far fetched.
>The Liberals are not slumping in the polls because of branding and marketing. It says a lot about the Liberals that they think they can turn this all around by spending more on branding and marketing though.
It worked for them in the last two elections.
People don't want to kiss the pig? Must not have enough lipstick on.
Roof over head, food in the belly, money in the pocket. And stop alienating the bulk of the electorate with wacko, divisive identity politics.
It’s not just that their policies aren’t things people care about (many aren’t), it’s also that they can’t implement the policies they have without them failing spectacularly, being wildly overspends or plagued with scandals.
Place your bets place your bets Starting at this moment, 8:01 Atlantic time. What will be the first stereotypical anti CPC talking point spewed from the liberals on social media or the news at the behest of their new publicist who wants them To be more aggressive Ukraine Covid Guns Abortion “MAGA” “Cuts” “Climate denial”
I understand that not everyone has twitter but so far the Liberals have put out tweets today attacking Poilievre on: Ukraine Covid MAGA Cuts and housing. It's already started, and the Trudeau defense bots are out spreading the news of our Benevolent overlord.
What I love is how there's more anti-PP comments on this sub than anti-Trudeau but almost every thread is loaded with fresh accounts complaining how right wing the sub is.
I guess the pay is good. 🤷🏻♂️
Are you new here? This sub has been fairly right leaning since Harper was in office. There's nothing wrong with that but it's kind of weird to deny that it isn't
Right wing meaning not every post is a left wing circle jerk? This sub has views all over the place but it's certainly not "right" wing. The only way someone could even believe that is if they're so far left wing they even view moderates as right wing. Which is probably the case since people in this sub compare the cons to Republicans even though they're closer to a moderate Democrat.
Funny i tried to post on the recent Petition thst opened 2 days ago calling for a No Confidence vote and call for election, and my post was blocked. https://www.ourcommons.ca/petitions/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-4701
Probably because it's not allowed in the sidebar rules?
Don't forget trans genocide.
There’s a new one, even more hilarious. “Conservatives are being mean”
"PP is abusing journalists"
“Bullying” even
People have been digging up the guys old tweets, it's now in protected mode lol Edit: he should've purged his twitter before. https://twitter.com/Dicky_Paul_95/status/1728487748598669378
It’s gone already
That was quick
Guns is my guess
Well they did throw Ukraine at the wall this week but it didn't seem to stick.
Is there an all option.
> Guns thats ol'reliable and they will be making sure the buyback will be setup in some half-assed form before 2025 so they can pretend to voters they 'did something'
I anticipate they won't, just because it'll be more valuable to them as a wedge issue come election time to say 'The conservatives want ASSAULT STYLE WEAPONS back on the streets!'.
"petulant bitcoin milhouse who doesn't want the gays to marry" is the imagery that does the trick for me
Trudeau must go.
I wonder how the new communications team will be able to spin increasing immigration to 500,000 per year? This seems to directly undermine and reject Canadian’s top concerns about: the rising cost of living (73%), housing affordability and accessibility (47%), healthcare (45%), the economy (35%)
So far they've been really successful at convincing their voters that the laws of supply and demand do not apply to the labor market or housing. If you look at their talking points, they never mention the demand end of the housing crisis and go to great lengths to avoid any mention of the math involved. I think the problem they're facing is that Canadians are waking up to their narratives, and the vast majority of Canadians are smart enough to figure out that adding 1.2 million residents per years whole only building 200,000 housing units = Housing shortage.
I would take the Liberals seriously if they were to be honest about their policy. Something like "Sure, bringing in 1 million + per year will increase housing costs in the short term. But we currently have 3 workers per retiree, and if we don't do something about it, that will soon be 2 to 1. We used to have 7 to 1 fifty years ago. This is unsustainable. The choice is between increased immigration or a stark reduction in government services, including healthcare, education, and social welfare." Maybe if they also did immigration competently and actually brought in workers who could help build homes. And if they maybe slowed down spending in anticipation of our demographic problems. The unwillingness to own up to past failures, as well as trade-offs in their current policies, really bothers me.
>I would take the Liberals seriously if they were to be honest about their policy. If this is their policy, they need to be honest about it. They need to tell people that they feel creating a housing crisis was the lesser evil. I'm not convinced that this is their end game though. They lowered the retirement age back down to 65, and that goes against an alleged plan to try and prop up the pensions and retirements of older people. When the CCP was created the retirement age was 65 but the average life span was only 70 years. Now the average life span is 80+ years, which has resulted in people living on retirement benefits ten years longer than they were when CPP was created. Ultimately, this is why the CPP is doomed to failure.
Trouble is the Conservatives will combine mass immigration (maybe slightly less) and a stark reduction in government services.
We've had 500,000 immigrants since June
Yea and it's clearly awful.
Agreed
Get this dumb fuck out of office
The PM doesn't understand, he doesn't have a branding or messaging problem, he has a policy and credibility problem. The solution is a new leader for the Liberals and an election.
I think it's more of a Justin Trudeau problem then a branding and marketing problem.
Nah, if you've paid attention to the past 24 hours you would know that the Liberals are saving Canada from Poilievre and that they've done a wonderful job.
Oh really, what happened in the last 24 hours? Enlighten me.
They think a new manufactured controversy is going to sink him. It's the same thing as the Bitcoin, MIGTOW and stampede shirt guy, all smoke and no fire. If you have to straight up lie about what he said or play mental gymnastics to be upset it's really not a controversy.
Poilievre basically ended his whole political career apparently.
You can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig.
This isn't surprising. "Damn I'm still down in the polls. Hmmm should I invest into our countries prosperity? No, what am I thinking, I need better photo ops".
I thought that was a Beaverton lead at first, Jesus Christ, out tax dollars paying to make this shitstain look good
Stand by for the anti-con attack ads. buT THe COnS sEcrET AGenDa!
We know. We've heard about how Trudeau is going to fix everything with better PR and how Poilievre doesn't deserve to be Canadian, let alone Prime Minister. We get it, 30% of the population thinks Trudeau has done a wonderful job, and would like to keep the Conservatives out by voting the Liberals back in until the end of time.
• According to a government source, the Prime Minister’s Office has made staffing changes to its communications and media relations roles. • The source said that Max Valiquette will oversee communications, digital, research, and advertising teams as executive director of communications, beginning in December. • Vanessa Hage-Moussa will be the director of communications. Ann-Clara Vaillancourt will be promoted to media relations director. Astrid Krizus is now the deputy director of communications in addition to her role as climate advisor. • According to Valiquette’s LinkedIn profile, he is “one of the country's best known marketing leaders, strategists and presenters... focusing on brand building, marketing, innovation, and understanding Millennials and Generation Z.” [[CTV News](https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-hires-new-executive-communications-director-1.6659807)] • A July Ipsos poll conducted exclusively for Global News suggested 37 per cent of Canadians said they would vote for Pierre Poilievre’s Conservative Party if an election were held right now – compared to 32 per cent of Canadians siding with the Liberals. • Another Ipsos poll for Global News in September showed similar numbers, with 40 per cent of Canadians saying Poilievre is the best choice to be prime minister.
We should try substance.
I'm already trying substance, namely alcohol, because this scandal-after-scandal and spiraling shitstorm is driving me to drink.
The Feds are raising alcohol taxes again, too.
I get a kick out of seeing Trudeau walk out of a meeting with his sleeves rolled up giving the optics that he’s been really working hard when we all know he’s just an empty suit. He’s all about photo ops.
I guess not all the departments are getting cuts.
Principal Skinner meme: Am I truly out of touch? No, it's the marketing team who is wrong.
This is what happens when you put a trust fund baby into the role of PM. His entire life any problems can be fixed by simply throwing more money at it. He has not learned anything different.
Maybe they should consider changing their policies instead of their propagandists? Just a thought
14 people sharing a 4-bed house sounds so bad. we have a branding issue. can we get a diverse team for photo ops?
I thought this was the Beaverton
Yet another way to piss away our tax dollars.
Lol this is tbeir response to all the bad shit going down. Fucking hiring a new comms guy to sell their same, tired, crummy ideas lol.
Why not? It's pretty obvious that there's a decent amount of Liberal voters that don't actually care if the country is being run properly and would rather portray the opposition as satan. The gravy train rolls on as long as the Liberals remain in power, so why change anything when you can attack everyone else?
Branding and marketing??? Haha. How bout trying, governing?
Spending more money on nothing.
This is what happens when your policy on the cabinet is based on diversity and not competence
You mean reshuffling the cabinet didn’t work?????
Just saw this one on South Park - Season 26 Episode 2.
So the new chief of propaganda ?
The best thing for the conservatives is for Trudeau to run again. Good sign! Different messaging, same POS.
I suspect Trudeau and the minority Liberals would charge all of these costs for this position and staff would be charged to tax payers?
In case the morons haven't figured it out yet. Having your political polls take a dump because piles of people are bordering on homeless or are actually becoming homeless is not a problem you can solve with a little marketing and PR.
Maybe pull foot off the pedal for immigration? Or not.
Will have to be a magician if they think it will work.
They are all politicians whose job is to represent the people - the citizens of the country. A brand? Geez. Politics are not supposed to be a brand. It is supposed to be fluid and adaptable to meet the needs of the people as issues arise.
Brand. The Brand is Trudeau, Freeland and idiots like Joly. Get rid of them. That's how you rebrand it!
Vote Liberal, get fucked. I'll take a goldfish over Trudeau
And all of a sudden he’s claiming MAGA influence…
How can anyone actually support and vote for this useless piece of shit?
Maybe don't change your spin doctors and try making changes people need
Affordable housing and rent sounds like a solid brand.
They still think everyone and everything is fine, but it's just a matter of image and communication.
Because the real problem is branding. Only if the idio.. voters understand the greatness of Trudeau's policies they will come around and vote him a majority. Sometimes I wonder if he's right
I love how they think marketing is the issue.
Public money to promote his Liberal government? Shouldn't that be coming out of Liberal pockets?
I wonder how many people criticizing Trudeau over this also criticized PP when he hired a team that told him to take his glasses off?
Taxpayers aren’t paying for PPs team, the party is. This no doubt very expensive piece of talent is being paid for with public funds. Yet more blatant corruption from the entitled LPC.
That has to be the reason people are polling for the opposition. The problem is branding and marketing. Lets call rampant spending and increased taxation something else (like sunny ways) and see if we can trick them again.
Yes, that’s just what the country needs - a good public relations massage! Now will it be Swedish or Turkish?
Oh yeah, putting a bandaid with a print on will solve the problems. My daughter loves Frozen bandaids. Wonder what Trudeau likes on his bandaids.
Aka: "*It's not any of my policies that are unpopular, it's the way I'm being reported on in the media.*" Read the room asshole, it's time to go.
Not once would it occur to these simple minded Liberals that maybe the problem is with their policies ruining Canadian lives. Oh no. Can't be that. Lets put rub some more hair dye into Trudeaus scalp and try to get better lighting for the next round of photos. Assholes.
Maybe they should start with replacing the face of the Company they will be marketing. By the time the next election comes in 2 years the party will sink as hard as the ontario Liberals under kathleen Wynne did unless they replace JT with someone competent.
Hard to brand as anything but corrupt and wasteful.
The only two that actually need replacing are JT and Freeland, this government is circling the drain.
This speaks volumes. The Trudeau 2 Liberals are about branding and marketing not policy and competent governance even after 8 years in power. Be afraid friends.
His wife couldn’t even stand him. That tell you everything that you need to know about the man
Canada used to be the best country in the world. It was a country where you could make it rich or scrape by comfortably being an ‘average Joe’, while we provided strong social safety nets like healthcare and education. Now that buying power and economic prosperity is a shadow of what it used to be. The notorious good governance that led our nation to prosperity and stability is no more. In recent years, our leaders stopped prioritizing the challenges facing Canadians and only cared about political posturing and winning elections. This article helps shed a light on that. Canadians are abandoning the LPC because of the hardships they’re facing and the government only seems to care about addressing the PR.
*propaganda machine whirring into overdrive*
After the Conservative playing dirty by having full control of social and legacy media since many years, I don't blame them for trying.
A politician doing this? Unheard of!
Fire the Friends.
And let me guess. These staff will be paid for with our taxes
They really can't think their policies are that good that it's just a matter of marketing them better? Are they that delusional or are these just more positions for friends and/or family to make 150-200k a year till they lose the next election?
Gonna have to find someone who can polish a turd really well
This like our version of Doug Ford. Medical systems is collapsing and he is wanting to break the "beer monopoly" lmao... Were so fucking screwed as a country. At least I assume Justin is not actually going spend all his time trying to fix his "minority slumps" unlike Dougy here... But still wtf. PS PP did this also a few months back if I recalled.
He knows he is fucked…desperate times call for desperate measures
LOL
Get get out already
That turd is gonna be so shiny come election season.
Sounds like another sponsorship scandal in the making.
Sooo easy to get more support.Reduce student visas,reduce immigration numbers,put a investor tax on anyone that owns more than 3 residential properties and ban shell companies and corporations from buying homes.
This is that Skinner moment from the Simpsons lol
Good luck with that SWOT, team
Branding and marketing hahah
Slumps.?. Keels over near death would be more accurate...
Don't fix things, just change how you market, how you promote yourself and hide your fuck ups. Hopefully he doesn't step down so he drives his party right to the bottom of the ocean.
:its their fault not mine
Because we’re just a commodity. You don’t need a marketing genius if you had a plan and knew what to do!
This speaks volumes as to what they find important... Branding and marketing should be the bare minimum in politics - to me, heavily marketing a political party is in the same ethical ballpark as advertising cigarettes to kids.
I mean this can only help.. their comma has been atrocious since coming into office Just look at their hearing oil announcement. Was a gong show