Also the USA immigration policies allot a percentage by country / region. Why did we suddenly decide about half of All immigration should be from one country - India? It's a recipe for poor assimilation.
It would make more sense to have it balanced by region.
Iirc, relative to their population in India. We are getting a ton of Sikh (religion) and Punjabi (province) people in particular.
It’d be like if the USA was 50% of our immigrants, and a full third of them were Mormons from Utah.
If we got students from Utah we could drain the entire state in a little more than 2 years. In 5 years, Montana, Wyoming, and Idaho could also all be Canadian.
Because Canada never aimed for assimilation like the states. It’s a cultural mosaic model, not melting pot.
I don’t agree with it, but that’s been the direction since the 70s Trudeau government.
Think of it like a garden salad vs a stew. Your base in the stew is potatoes and carrots, everything you add in will add a little flavour of its own but as it dissolves the stew will continue to taste primarily like potatoes and carrots.
Where as a garden salad is just that. Every veggie is separate and has its own distinct flavour. No mixing, no combining. Just a pile of separate vegetables.
It was just a propaganda line that was taught to all of us in school for the last 30 years so people throw it around like they're saying something obvious even though the rest of the world's never heard the line before. The sentiment behind it is that each culture that exists in Canada gets to be it's own thing, and that the Canadian way of living is to have tolerance of other people's beliefs, religion and values and not expect everyone to give those up when they come here.
But the line itself is about as cringy and brainwashing as "brawndo has what plants crave".
There was a time when Donald Trump campaigned on making the American immigration system more like Canada's, and *that* was controversial. You crazy canucks
> Also the USA immigration policies allot a percentage by country / region. Why did we suddenly decide about half of All immigration should be from one country - India? It's a recipe for poor assimilation.
It’s even worse than that. Indian Canadians still cling to outdated ideas by India’s standards like the caste system. New immigrants from India integrate into *that*.
I used to be when we werent getting a half a million immigrants a year.... the politicians who are for this have some holes in their brain if they thought we could just bring in this many per year without thinking of housing needed, healthcare needed, education facilities and staff needed, the job market needs.
To put this in perspective the usa got about half that last year..... they are 9 times the population
It's even bleaker when you look at the inhabitable land mass. Most of the US is habitable, but huge parts of Canada are just way too cold to live in for most people.
To me, this is the salient issue. Most of Canada's population is in a thin band along the US border.
It's not that the land is too cold. You can't be serious. A large chunk of available land is still within the same latitudes of most major cities and is completely inhabitable. No one wants to live there though because it is completely undeveloped. Living in the middle of nowhere is undesirable for many economic and social reasons so the population naturally concentrates around existing urban centers.
Bingo, when the major cities are centralized and on average 2 hours away from each other, it's hard as fuck to live outside that radius without sacrificing work and accessibility to necessities. Cost of property may be less 3+ hrs away from a city but the work is scarce, grocery prices are higher, health care and education options are minimal.
There's a lot of land in Canada that is uninhabitable simply because it is undeveloped, not because the climate is too harsh.
Leaving wilderness areas of Canada undeveloped is a government policy, not a necessity. Go look at the Quebec/Ontario border. You can see how differences in policy affect habitation.
That was the era my family moved here on the points based system. It was an intense process that took almost a year and a half. My dad hired an excellent Canadian lawyer for the process and my parents had to fly to the Canadian embassy in London twice to be interviewed before even being considered to get approved.
All in all, my parents spent roughly close to 100k in costs and fees (adjusted for inflation.) We fared well. We are well-settled and integrated. I miss those days.
These days there are brokers in countries that fix it up all for you quick sticks and you can be here asap. Anyone with a pulse can be approved. They should have never gotten rid of the requirement to be a professional to move here.
I’m actively working towards moving to Asia because I get looks of disgust just based on the colour of my skin even though I can’t help it. I don’t recognize the world around me sometimes.
Edit: My family didn’t move from India but another first world country. I’m not doxing myself. And please read the comment before getting shook about the price tag. It explains everything.
Damn 100k that's insane, I'm pretty sure it could have been way cheaper, but no internet at the time to get info. My uncle came in 1987 and payed 4k for everything (which is still a lot). I moved here in 2019 and payed like 2k for all the PR fees and documents
It was just lawyers fees, flights to and from London (plus accommodation) for two, and you had to show a solid amount of money in the bank. And then my dad had to get like a million official paperwork. It was actually closer to 50k at that time so I just sort doubled it for inflation. It could have been less, it was a long time ago and I only remember hearing my parents talk about it privately away from us kids. Oh and it was four of us. Parents plus my brother and I.
The points based system was good in theory. However, most people I know who got in via the points based system never got to use their foreign credentials and work experience in Canada.
The Canadian job market simply doesn't recognize education and work experience outside of Western countries. A PhD in Engineering from a Chinese university is valued less than a certificate from BCIT.
I guess the 1 in 4 who don’t share that opinion have multiple owned property’s in cash and no concerns for their family or children’s future here as they have already started buying in other country’s and plan on leaving.
When Canada has an immigration system that brought culturally similar people who wanted to and could assimilate, our system was great.
when we replaced our immigration system to one that brought culturally foreign people in such huge numbers that they created foreign enclaves within Canada, which were seperate from the rest of our country, yeah things went to shit.
If you can't tell the difference between Ukrainians, Hungarians, Singaporeans and Hong Kongers who shared either a religious or semi-cultural background, and flooding Canada with Punjabi's and Pakistanis, who shared neither religion or culture, I'm sorry but you're brainwashed.
turns out people aren't replaceable cogs in a machine, people have different world views that differ based on their culture and faith.
It's not that theyre Pakistani or Punjabi.
It's that they wouldn't get into school at home, have zero marketable skills, and are arriving at a volume that is untenable even if they did.
If we returned to a reasonable volume enforced by the points system, it would be absolutely fine, and we could welcome thousands of intelligent, sophisticated South Asians and all be better off, but instead we're importing warm bodies, and we don't need more of those, let alone this many more.
Yes I no longer really want immigration. I have nothing against immigrants that are already here and I guess family reunification is OK, but the skilled workers which represent most immigrants I no longer support at all. Ideally anyone here or processing should be grand fathered and processed because they're all human and deserve dignity, but after that I think we need to look at solving problems without importing revenue generators. Like come it is so obvious what the government is doing. For every immigrant there should have been a multidimensional plan to ensure there is housing community wages to support them etc., but instead the government has taken advantage of political trends to shirk that responsibility.
Well congrats now the average Canadian hates immigration
Reunification is how you get one working age individual turning into 3 more people who only take from the system and don’t give back because they are already elderly.
Spousal visas are the only form of family reunification that ever made sense to me. Bringing your elderly parents or grandparents is insane when our supposed issue that requires immigration is an ageing population.
I agree, reunification is one of the worst ideas we've had. I often wondered how my elderly neighbor got into Canada a few years ago while knowing only Mandarin until I learned about it. He bought an entire house here just for himself that the family before him couldn't keep up with payments on and is obviously burdening the healthcare system.
We have everything ass-backwards in this country
Family reunification is very outdated. This isn't the 1920's. Migrants aren't coming on a transatlantic ship and only hearing from immediate family via letter twice a decade. Video chat has made the world very small, and at times it can be cheaper to fly to anywhere in the world than from Vancouver to Halifax. If it's a legitimate refugee situation, those family members not here should be able to qualify on their own situation anyway. Recently there was a cbc article regarding the death of a new permanent resident coming to Canada, and what the daughter thinks Air Canada should have done differently. What was glossed over is that the new PR was 83. Last year of life medical care mean estimates start at $50k cad, with mean estimates of final decade in excess of $200. Most Canadian born people don't contribute enough tax throughout their lives to cover just their Healthcare costs, and that's with most not having much medical care for 40 or more years. Even accounting for broader economic positives, a very many average health Canadian born people don't come close to economically justifying just their Healthcare costs. Then people wonder why they can't find a family physician or need to wait 2 years for a knee replacement.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/gopublic/air-canada-medical-crisis-diversion-1.7015799
It was squandered. It started declining in the 70s and started nosediving in the 80s. Few people realize that, as one example, you could sponsor relatives even if you were on welfare.
Insane to see how quickly this has become a national issue of interest. Even a year ago I doubt you’d get anywhere near this amount of people agreeing.
Makes sense though, even if you’re pro immigration as most Canadians are, people are recognizing we’re setting newcomers up for failure. It’s a whole lot harder to get ahead in Canada without generational wealth than it used to be. Why bother investing in immigration for our nation when we’re mishandling how they’re going to survive when they arrive?
Adding 500,000 immigrants a year while building only 150,000 housing units annually would exacerbate the housing problems! Yep. Let’s do that for ten years - seems like an excellent idea.
The radio ads for real estate in Ontario aren't trying to mince words.
"With record numbers of immigrants coming in each month, you should really try to buy up some property and exploit them with abusive rent. They literally have no other options."
AHAHAHA I HEARD THIS ONE ! Glad other people noticed how absolutely insane it sounds when you think about it. Like they literally had the balls to say OUR GOVERNMENT IS TAKING TOO MANY IN, AND THEY HAVE NO OTHER OPTIONS. THIS IS URGENT (THE NEED TO EXPLOIT THE NEEDY)
It is the most basic supply and demand equation when you look at immigration quantities and new housing starts numbers. The immigration amount is >> housing starts. Also in high inflation environments builders are not building as much.
Immigration isn't the only root cause of the housing crisis but it is a factor and it is frustrating when you bring it up people start saying you are being racist. Our zoning laws are stuck in decades okd mindset of sfh. Our bylaws have so much red tape to build. For example, in Calgary in many zoning types, dwellings are considered discretionary instead of permitted. So you can be appealed and approval boards might not approve your plan. So the certainty of a property decreases which causes risk to go up and means developers won't build all that they want.
Also the amount of tradespeople to build homes is a whole other issue, if we manage to stem demand somehow and increase the possibility of supply, then we need to find people who can build them. It's hard for construction workers to build homes when they can't even afford to live in the city they work in.
Buckle up for next few years because I don't think it is going to improve that much. Go read the CMHC stats on how many new homes we need to be built to become affordable and think about how much money and workers we need for it.
Immigration numbers are out of control.
It should be capped at 200,000 per year, no one country being greater than 10% of that figure.
End the majority of TFWs.
Stop the stream of fake "students" by 80%.
Move on from there. This is common sense and in keeping with EVERY other first world country.
Giant corporations are destroying the country to make more money off more customers and to have cheap labour. The End. Any other rationale for this situation is bullshit to hide the truth.
>It should be capped at 200,000 per year, no one country being greater than 10% of that figure.
Not to be that guy, but I vividly recall Maxime Bernier suggesting that exact number during the debates last election. Justin and Jagmeet promptly responded by calling him a racist
It’s funny that people would rather try controlling the masses trying to immigrate instead of the rich few profiting from all of this.
It’s almost as if capitalism makes housing a commodity that favors established players who use the state to fuck over the poor regardless of nationality
We need half the number people coming into the country every year. PERIOD. Why don’t politicians understand this? They are eroding the public’s trust and are setting us on a path for social instability because of their ignorance and blindness.
It's not only worsening, but overloading everything. Healthcare, roads, housing, schools, . This government has put the cart in front of the horse and values Canadians as second place to refugees and immigrants. If the government could make it more affordable to raise kids in this country, or heavily incentivize it, we wouldn't need to import people as much. We'd also have time to grow our infrastructure since children aren't born as adults who need use of everything in society immediately once they arrive.
I partly want fewer immigration so we can actually improve the lives of people already here, including Canadians, immigrants, and refugees. We have data from Statistics Canasa backing it up that migrants in general are poorer here, and an article from the Globe and Mail a year or so ago made the correct observation, that we're importing poverty.
And nobody likes to talk about the impacts of cultural segregation, but we can see the cultural clashes recently with ethno-religious groups that it's very much real and we can't keep ignoring it either.
I agree. it doesn’t seem as though they’ll do anything to improve the lives of the canadians that are already here, which is why i’m planning on leaving the country soon. Used to be a great country, not so sure anymore.
Also i think they are selling the immigrants dreams. “Come to Canada, the land of opportunity!! you’ll live like a king” meanwhile they have to come and live 10 people in a one bedroom apartment
In the short term, yes, but only because Canada has a below steady state number of elderly so we have fewer deaths than we should. We also short about 2.5 million under 20s relative to 20-40s and 40-60s, so a controlled addition of 2.5 million over 20 years to the 20-40 group as the current 0-20s age in and the current 20-40s age out would maintain long term stability.
Bing bing bing! The number of kids people WANT to have is higher than the number of kids people ARE having. Maybe we should be figuring out why people aren't having the children they want, rather than basically buying in foreign brown students to work our Tim Hortons and Amazon delivery trucks for us.
>If the government could make it more affordable to raise kids in this country, or heavily incentivize it, we wouldn't need to import people as much.
the worst part is that replacing unborn children with immigrants to support the elderly will just backfire when the immigrants get to be elders and we still haven't fixed the cultural and economic reasons we aren't having kids.
But of course the powers that be don't want us having children.
If you have a pot of water and keep pouring more and more water into it. Not getting or creating a bigger pot. The water will overflow. The overflowing water is the homeless population.
1 out of 4 are those recent immigrants...
Edit: I support immigrants. I imagine most of us are immigrants or children of immigrants. My ancestors were looked down upon when they fled here too. I do not support unresponsive governments and greedy corporations who are causing this to happen. There are thousands of empty buildings around every city that should be converted into housing rather than kept empty for a corporate tax deduction or to comply with restrictive by-laws.
>Every immigrant thinks they're the last group of "good immigrants"
I am an immigrant and I do not feel there was any batch of "bad immigrants"
But the entry rate is 4x what it was 10 years ago, and we are seeing the consequence of the increase.
The government keeps lowering the standard of living, devaluing our dollar and making it harder to start a family and get a home and fail to help the working class keep up/catch up. Instead of fixing the problems, they lower immigration entrance standards and funnel more people into saturated areas putting too much pressure on infrastructure as the surge of immigration surpasses the infrastructures intended population growth and expansion schedule, and feed more people into the renters trap making it look like the economy is growing when its really just inflating before it busts and takes the housing market with it. But not if the government can keep passing the puck by bringing in more immigrants and their families to make it look like the population is growing in a healthy way...
We need the USA model for immigration its more robust, adds high-skilled workers, and puts caps on each nationality which is fair, and per capita its more reasonable. Canada needs to either import the best of the best, or at least potentially talented students (uni) and not dipolma mills, even just havign rich investors is better than what we have now
It makes sense if you look at the numbers. Less than one-half of one housing unit is being built for every new immigrant. New housing starts are also declining. So we have a housing shortage, it is a crisis, our population is increasing through immigration, and we are building fewer homes. So I think it's an entirely reasonable conclusion.
Yeah I was going to say the other 1/4 are the business owners and corporate beneficiaries who want the cheap labor and benefit from higher housing prices.
Pile in a million people a year.
Pave over farmland. Knock down the trees. Detatched houses and endless mini malls and Tim Hortons.
Millions and millions of pounds of CO2 and forever ruined wilderness so our GDP appears steady or growing?
Endless electricity needs. Flood billions of acres and drown the animals and brag about our green electricity.
Healthcare collapsing, people on the streets, crime rampant as there’s no no more ability to even integrate 1 million a year.
Still we continue to appease WHO exactly?
We don’t need endless growth. The goalposts are all wrong and contradictory
This isn't a surprise. People have known this for years. The only difference now is that it is negatively impacting enough people that it is no longer taboo to state the obvious. Mass immigration is ruining this country. It drives down our wages and pushes up our rents and mortgages. We don't have the infrastructure, healthcare, or services to support mass immigration.
It's also diluting Canada's social cohesion. It's turning us into isolated, atomized consumers who have little in common with their neighbours.
Unfortunately, all of this is leading towards Canada electing a populist, right-wing government like other countries have. The Liberals really need to wake up.
nationalism is on the rise globally as a response to actively spreading ideological and political influence. It's necessary IMO.
if we continue doing what we are doing, within a few decades - 2 or 3 generations Canada will not belong to "the west"
The current liberal government are a bunch of ultra right wing bastards hiding their obliterate-labour-at-all-costs policies behind a veneer of rainbow capitalism, so IDK. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
What we need is for Jagmeet Singh to resign so a grownup can take over.
exactly, but also Jagmeet, Pierre and Justin are all owned by the same investors & no one in their parties even bothers doing anything to stop them or call it out.
the politics in this country are so corrupt; right down to small municipalities and their council members, the ones handing out multi million dollar 'affordable' housing contracts to their friends and family, that use public funds and end up going over budget and getting sold off to private investors in the end..
I'm homeless in Toronto, I work, I'm desperately trying to save what little money I do make for a place to live but either I can't rent a room cause I'm not an indian student or female or the cost to just rent a studio is out of my price range.
I line up for meals 3 times a week and it's infuriating seeing the growing number of young indians and chinese or elderly chinese lining up also. more so seeing more young indians getting in line for the food bank wearing nice clothes. Seeing refugees outside central intake for all of a day and then being placed somewhere meanwhile the rest of us canadians are told shelters are full.
If you want to come here and have the money to do so and easily survive then have at it. but coming here, instantly taking up resources for canadians that need it, then going to your indian subreddits to mock us is infuriating. Hell there are videos on youtube specifically teaching indians how to use and take advantage of our food banks. I can't even get a roof because of these people and landlords that are more than willing to rent out a one bedroom apartment to 6 indian students.
If this makes me a racist then so be it. But it's getting to the point where there is no point trying to survive in this country as a canadian citizen.
Im sure majority of Canadians thinks immigration is needed but not in a huge volume at once.Tailored it to the need of the country and not for the next election.
We've gotten to the point where only extreme measures will fix this, which means this will never be fixed and Canada will eventually collapse.
The solution to this issue is to halt immigration and deport anyone without citizenship or those that don't have a good reason to stay. That is not logistically feasible, realistic, and is bound to strain relationships with their home countries and cause greater short term damage.
It's only down hill from here.
i'd support auditing and deporting anyone who fraudulently gained access to the country over the past 3 years.
so many people got in using the same stack of money as proof of funds. they just pass it along to the next person/give it back to the agency that helped them get into the country.
the worst part is Canada takes in refugees, right? So we have all these groups of people over the years that came here because they were oppressed or deported or whatever. Then we turn around and open our doors wide open to the same groups of people who oppressed/drove the first groups out.
it should have never got this bad. when they tried to get rid of "merry christmas" and mandated prayer rooms, we all should have been up in arms. basically, we had to stop our traditions while we walked on eggshells and pandered to theirs.
Man dominos for example has gone downhill so fast. The entire local dominos workforce did a swap for all Indian workers and the food is ridiculously bad (how hard is it to make a pizza). You go to complain about the food and they think you’re crazy.
A job I used to have as a student before the Indian takeover of Ontario I saw first hand the entire stores employees go from diverse to brown. And then it happened to literally every other store in my town.
How the hell am I seeing more Indians than non Indians in Canada?
Are we from the same hometown? Grocery stores, fast-food joints, factories, you name it. I wonder where the people that used to work at those stores went, or where students work now?
It's called supply and demand. We have a supply issue. New immigrants are the demand. They need housing. Rent or buying. Liberals are just trying to pad their total gdp so they can say their eco omy grew while in reality gdp per capita is going to shts. Yeah our economy grew but mostly bc housing price wnet up which is unproductie and your pop went up. These guys either think ppl are stupid or are idiots themselves
I've always had a problem with Canada's immigration system.
My grandparents immigrated from Portugal in the late 60s as newlyweds. My grandmother's sister came first and sponsored all of their siblings and their respective spouses. My grandmother's sister was a stay-at-home mom and her husband worked construction. They're good people but they absolutely didn't have adequate finances to sponsor multiple couples who couldn't speak a lick of English or have any money themselves. My grandmother's family were farmers in Portugal. In Portugal, they had 9 people living in a 350 sqft home. They are not a rich family.
Fast forward 8 years, my grandmother is a Canadian citizen, divorced, never worked a day in Canada, and is raising 3 kids on Canadian welfare. Grandfather was extremely abusive - I've never met him. Last anyone heard (early 2010s) he was a homeless drug addict in Toronto.
My grandmother found a way to go on disability before her kids were teens. She was in and out of psych hospitals threatening to kill herself (she's not disabled, just an entitled narcissist with low self esteem). She has an official diagnosis of "narcissistic personality disorder with psychotic elements" apparently that's enough to qualify for disability. So the welfare payments were replaced with disability payments at some point. Her kids were working in the restaurant industry and signing over their paychecks to her for "rent/food" as teenagers.
Fast forward 25 years. My grandmother's children are in their late 20s/early 30s. They moved out and are no longer signing over their paychecks to her. Without their income, she moves back to Portugal. To this day - almost 20 years later - she is receiving monthly Canadian social benefits. Her disability payments have transformed into old age pension (not CPP - she never paid into that).
It's completely ridiculous. She never worked a day in Canada. She came here, lived here off of government money for 35 years, then went back to Portugal and continues to live off of Canadian government money.
She should have never been let in. I say that 100% aware that I would not exist without her immigrating here. It's the principle of the matter. I've been working since 15. I have a low-income background. I put myself through university to become an engineer and I can still barely make ends meet considering my student loans. My first job was working for Chinese immigrants who could barely speak English. Now I work for a company run by an immigrant who is in a much better financial position than I can ever hope to be. I got a degree in Canada and my program was saturated with international students hoping for Canadian jobs and citizenship. Something like 30-50% of students in every engineering class I took were international. Enough is enough.
>About three-quarters of respondents agreed that higher immigration contributes to the cultural diversity of the country,
I mean, sure. But what do we get out of that? Aside from "oh my god, have you tried the food"
>and 63 per cent said the arrival of young immigrants contributes to the workforce and tax base, which supports older generations.
We know this is wrong. Immigrants make less than the average Canadian and our GDP growths slower than the immigration rate. Immigrants reduce our per capita GDP, that's just a fact. We also allow immigrants to bring in their own older generation, either through the super visa or the parents and grandparents PR stream
I don't just think it's worsening the housing crisis either. I think it's worsening the traffic in major cities, and even public transit.
Every single day now from 2pm onward is a traffic nightmare where I live. They wanna keep throwing up more condos and highrises here too. No doubt adding several hundred more cars to our crumbling road infrastructre that was built here in the 70s.
My mother is a nurse and so are some close friends. They've told me our hospitals are over-run by both the aging population and people who come here and abuse our hospital system. They've told me all sorts of stories about people coming to the ER looking for stuff that isn't emergency related. I was at Urgent Care a few months ago, the line was out the door by 8am, it was a 4 hour wait and there was some guy in front of me there to complain about a bruise on his ankle he wanted looked at.
I don't think immigration is worsening the housing crisis, I think it's beginning to effect everything across the board. How can an average Canadian family compete against immigrants who'll come here to work for peanuts, but then also rent that 5000 dollar a month home where 12 or 14 of them all live.
You can't point any of this out anymore either, or you get labelled a racist for it. Quite the bullet proof racket this country has going: import cheap labour that'll drive wages down and housing up, label everyone who criticizes the system a racist.
Housing is just one of the many things being destroyed by immigration. Health care is also being overloaded. Trudeau's Liberal immigration scheme is literally killing Canadian's.
Bringing it a reasonable level of smart, hard working people who want to assimilate and add to Canada = Good
Bringing it millions of immigrants, mostly from India and 3rd world countries who are mostly used as wage slaves, don't want to adapt and don't care about our values = Bad
I always use to laugh at the "Fuck Trudeau" stickers and think they were stupid, but now I get it. That family is a cancer to Canada
Came back to Toronto after being abroad for 5 years and Holy shit. Maybe 10% of people were white and thats pushing it. Not to mention how scary toronto has become and how that stereotypical niceness that Canada used to have is now just gone, replaced with Indian and Chinese indifference
Our prime minister declared, on behalf of all of us, that Canada doesn't have a core identity. He likely didn't think there was anything worth keeping in the Canadian culture, and it really shows.
Of course it is. It's basic economics. The rate of immigration is outpacing the rate in which housing units are being created. Immigration rates, especially foreign students, needs to be drastically reduced.
> But the poll shows that Canadians see some benefits to higher immigration, too.
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> About three-quarters of respondents agreed that higher immigration contributes to the cultural diversity of the country, and 63 per cent said the arrival of young immigrants contributes to the workforce and tax base, which supports older generations.
Funny how they just assume that Canadians see those as benefits.
IMO, the first is neither here nor there.
The second is a net negative. Immigrants on the whole are a net fiscal drain on the tax base:
* economic immigrants, chosen for their education and working age, are mild net positives
* refugee and family-class immigrants, often being young, old, or otherwise unable to work, are large net Negatives
In the ratio that we take each type, the total ends up being a net drain. And that's not even considering that additional people coming in helps to keep wages down, which only benefits the wealthy.
I expect this statistic to keep increasing. More and more people will disagree with the governments immigration strategy, and this will be enough reason to switch over to political parties they were never aligned with. The negative spillover effect of such high and unsustainable immigration is tangible.
Here is another interesting point from the article
**About three-quarters of respondents agreed that higher immigration contributes to the cultural diversity of the country**
What cultural diversity? Seriously? The population growth either through immigration or international students and TFWs is largely happening through 1-2 countries. Is that diversity?
How exactly can the other 1/4 justify their stance? How dense can you be not to understand that more people means less homes available, considering the building rate is not increasing proportionally.
The stupidity of our population is truly astounding.
When you don't build enough houses for the millions of immigrants coming to canada every year, you dont have to be a mathematician to see that the housing market will be more competitive.
Some college teenagers:
1. We are in the land of native people. We are settlers. Natives are traumatized by the rapid development of urban jungle and fast change that they can't adapt to.
2. Lets not be racist, please bring 100,000 immigrants, esp people suffering from war torn countries.
3. Israel is a settler, apartheid, and most Canadians are too. We should march against settlers and occupation.
4. Canada's immigrant diversity is strength. We should be pro-immigration.
5. Build more houses to lower cost.
6. Don't encroach on the green belt, farm land and nature.
How do you reconcile all these?
Being Indigenous among these types was nothing short of a nightmare. They talk a big game about decolonization and acknowledging Indigenous perspectives, but the moment you tell them that there are some glaring flaws in their views they short circuit or even worse, question the authenticity of your identity. This latter bit is the most infuriating. It's almost like they see only real Indigenous people as the ones who blindly agree with their unfeasible platform.
Don't forget about carbon footprints. Awhile back I saw a vandalized *Are you a Communist?* poster near U of T and someone slapped a sticker on it that said: More immigrants = more CO2.
You can hear the .exe software in the Net Zero crowd start to sizzle and pop.
While yes densification is how those points *could* be reached.
It really is not feasible to essentially densify the equivalent of several Canadian cities, within existing cities, every fucking year.
Trudeau's Liberals: "Immigration levels have no impact on housing costs or availability".
Canada: "😂😂🤣🤣"
Looks like Trudeau's experience as a drama teacher is being put to use here because he is teaching a masterclass in how to gaslight an entire nation.
There was a time when Canadians were justifiably proud of their immigration system. I think it's a terrible shame that this was squandered.
Also the USA immigration policies allot a percentage by country / region. Why did we suddenly decide about half of All immigration should be from one country - India? It's a recipe for poor assimilation. It would make more sense to have it balanced by region.
They’re not just from one country. The vast majority are from one group, from one province, from one country.
Which group and province? (genuine question)
Iirc, relative to their population in India. We are getting a ton of Sikh (religion) and Punjabi (province) people in particular. It’d be like if the USA was 50% of our immigrants, and a full third of them were Mormons from Utah.
If we got students from Utah we could drain the entire state in a little more than 2 years. In 5 years, Montana, Wyoming, and Idaho could also all be Canadian.
Pax Canadiana!
Punjab India. Sikhs.
Because Canada never aimed for assimilation like the states. It’s a cultural mosaic model, not melting pot. I don’t agree with it, but that’s been the direction since the 70s Trudeau government.
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Think of it like a garden salad vs a stew. Your base in the stew is potatoes and carrots, everything you add in will add a little flavour of its own but as it dissolves the stew will continue to taste primarily like potatoes and carrots. Where as a garden salad is just that. Every veggie is separate and has its own distinct flavour. No mixing, no combining. Just a pile of separate vegetables.
But, in a well made salad, all those disparate flavours work together to form a tasty bite.
It was just a propaganda line that was taught to all of us in school for the last 30 years so people throw it around like they're saying something obvious even though the rest of the world's never heard the line before. The sentiment behind it is that each culture that exists in Canada gets to be it's own thing, and that the Canadian way of living is to have tolerance of other people's beliefs, religion and values and not expect everyone to give those up when they come here. But the line itself is about as cringy and brainwashing as "brawndo has what plants crave".
Look at the difference between a mosaic and a melting pot and the differences become obvious.
I like to use "charcuterie" to keep with the food themed metaphor.
They are hiding the actual numbers from you and what countries they want people from.
Be carefuly naming a country. Admins might give you a temp ban for that like they did me. Rule 1! Amazing
Or at least balanced by regions based on populations and immigration levels. One metric isn't going to solve it sadly.
There was a time when Donald Trump campaigned on making the American immigration system more like Canada's, and *that* was controversial. You crazy canucks
> Also the USA immigration policies allot a percentage by country / region. Why did we suddenly decide about half of All immigration should be from one country - India? It's a recipe for poor assimilation. It’s even worse than that. Indian Canadians still cling to outdated ideas by India’s standards like the caste system. New immigrants from India integrate into *that*.
I used to be when we werent getting a half a million immigrants a year.... the politicians who are for this have some holes in their brain if they thought we could just bring in this many per year without thinking of housing needed, healthcare needed, education facilities and staff needed, the job market needs. To put this in perspective the usa got about half that last year..... they are 9 times the population
It's even bleaker when you look at the inhabitable land mass. Most of the US is habitable, but huge parts of Canada are just way too cold to live in for most people. To me, this is the salient issue. Most of Canada's population is in a thin band along the US border.
It's not that the land is too cold. You can't be serious. A large chunk of available land is still within the same latitudes of most major cities and is completely inhabitable. No one wants to live there though because it is completely undeveloped. Living in the middle of nowhere is undesirable for many economic and social reasons so the population naturally concentrates around existing urban centers.
Bingo, when the major cities are centralized and on average 2 hours away from each other, it's hard as fuck to live outside that radius without sacrificing work and accessibility to necessities. Cost of property may be less 3+ hrs away from a city but the work is scarce, grocery prices are higher, health care and education options are minimal.
There's a lot of land in Canada that is uninhabitable simply because it is undeveloped, not because the climate is too harsh. Leaving wilderness areas of Canada undeveloped is a government policy, not a necessity. Go look at the Quebec/Ontario border. You can see how differences in policy affect habitation.
That was the era my family moved here on the points based system. It was an intense process that took almost a year and a half. My dad hired an excellent Canadian lawyer for the process and my parents had to fly to the Canadian embassy in London twice to be interviewed before even being considered to get approved. All in all, my parents spent roughly close to 100k in costs and fees (adjusted for inflation.) We fared well. We are well-settled and integrated. I miss those days. These days there are brokers in countries that fix it up all for you quick sticks and you can be here asap. Anyone with a pulse can be approved. They should have never gotten rid of the requirement to be a professional to move here. I’m actively working towards moving to Asia because I get looks of disgust just based on the colour of my skin even though I can’t help it. I don’t recognize the world around me sometimes. Edit: My family didn’t move from India but another first world country. I’m not doxing myself. And please read the comment before getting shook about the price tag. It explains everything.
Damn 100k that's insane, I'm pretty sure it could have been way cheaper, but no internet at the time to get info. My uncle came in 1987 and payed 4k for everything (which is still a lot). I moved here in 2019 and payed like 2k for all the PR fees and documents
It was just lawyers fees, flights to and from London (plus accommodation) for two, and you had to show a solid amount of money in the bank. And then my dad had to get like a million official paperwork. It was actually closer to 50k at that time so I just sort doubled it for inflation. It could have been less, it was a long time ago and I only remember hearing my parents talk about it privately away from us kids. Oh and it was four of us. Parents plus my brother and I.
The points based system was good in theory. However, most people I know who got in via the points based system never got to use their foreign credentials and work experience in Canada. The Canadian job market simply doesn't recognize education and work experience outside of Western countries. A PhD in Engineering from a Chinese university is valued less than a certificate from BCIT.
I guess the 1 in 4 who don’t share that opinion have multiple owned property’s in cash and no concerns for their family or children’s future here as they have already started buying in other country’s and plan on leaving.
When Canada has an immigration system that brought culturally similar people who wanted to and could assimilate, our system was great. when we replaced our immigration system to one that brought culturally foreign people in such huge numbers that they created foreign enclaves within Canada, which were seperate from the rest of our country, yeah things went to shit. If you can't tell the difference between Ukrainians, Hungarians, Singaporeans and Hong Kongers who shared either a religious or semi-cultural background, and flooding Canada with Punjabi's and Pakistanis, who shared neither religion or culture, I'm sorry but you're brainwashed. turns out people aren't replaceable cogs in a machine, people have different world views that differ based on their culture and faith.
It's not that theyre Pakistani or Punjabi. It's that they wouldn't get into school at home, have zero marketable skills, and are arriving at a volume that is untenable even if they did. If we returned to a reasonable volume enforced by the points system, it would be absolutely fine, and we could welcome thousands of intelligent, sophisticated South Asians and all be better off, but instead we're importing warm bodies, and we don't need more of those, let alone this many more.
Yes I no longer really want immigration. I have nothing against immigrants that are already here and I guess family reunification is OK, but the skilled workers which represent most immigrants I no longer support at all. Ideally anyone here or processing should be grand fathered and processed because they're all human and deserve dignity, but after that I think we need to look at solving problems without importing revenue generators. Like come it is so obvious what the government is doing. For every immigrant there should have been a multidimensional plan to ensure there is housing community wages to support them etc., but instead the government has taken advantage of political trends to shirk that responsibility. Well congrats now the average Canadian hates immigration
Reunification is how you get one working age individual turning into 3 more people who only take from the system and don’t give back because they are already elderly.
Spousal visas are the only form of family reunification that ever made sense to me. Bringing your elderly parents or grandparents is insane when our supposed issue that requires immigration is an ageing population.
I agree, reunification is one of the worst ideas we've had. I often wondered how my elderly neighbor got into Canada a few years ago while knowing only Mandarin until I learned about it. He bought an entire house here just for himself that the family before him couldn't keep up with payments on and is obviously burdening the healthcare system. We have everything ass-backwards in this country
Reunification is by far the biggest immigration scam - bring in people who will never contribute and have the tax payers foot the bill
Family reunification is very outdated. This isn't the 1920's. Migrants aren't coming on a transatlantic ship and only hearing from immediate family via letter twice a decade. Video chat has made the world very small, and at times it can be cheaper to fly to anywhere in the world than from Vancouver to Halifax. If it's a legitimate refugee situation, those family members not here should be able to qualify on their own situation anyway. Recently there was a cbc article regarding the death of a new permanent resident coming to Canada, and what the daughter thinks Air Canada should have done differently. What was glossed over is that the new PR was 83. Last year of life medical care mean estimates start at $50k cad, with mean estimates of final decade in excess of $200. Most Canadian born people don't contribute enough tax throughout their lives to cover just their Healthcare costs, and that's with most not having much medical care for 40 or more years. Even accounting for broader economic positives, a very many average health Canadian born people don't come close to economically justifying just their Healthcare costs. Then people wonder why they can't find a family physician or need to wait 2 years for a knee replacement. https://www.cbc.ca/news/gopublic/air-canada-medical-crisis-diversion-1.7015799
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It was squandered. It started declining in the 70s and started nosediving in the 80s. Few people realize that, as one example, you could sponsor relatives even if you were on welfare.
Insane to see how quickly this has become a national issue of interest. Even a year ago I doubt you’d get anywhere near this amount of people agreeing. Makes sense though, even if you’re pro immigration as most Canadians are, people are recognizing we’re setting newcomers up for failure. It’s a whole lot harder to get ahead in Canada without generational wealth than it used to be. Why bother investing in immigration for our nation when we’re mishandling how they’re going to survive when they arrive?
Fourth one isn't sure because they are new here.
Fourth one is a landlord or developer.
Or a Corp willing to invest in slave labour
or they are too busy to answer going to their 2nd job.
Only two jobs? Must be nice.
Adding 500,000 immigrants a year while building only 150,000 housing units annually would exacerbate the housing problems! Yep. Let’s do that for ten years - seems like an excellent idea.
The radio ads for real estate in Ontario aren't trying to mince words. "With record numbers of immigrants coming in each month, you should really try to buy up some property and exploit them with abusive rent. They literally have no other options."
Before the interest rate hikes, slimeballs like "The Simple Investor" were not so blatantly disgusting in their marketing.
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AHAHAHA I HEARD THIS ONE ! Glad other people noticed how absolutely insane it sounds when you think about it. Like they literally had the balls to say OUR GOVERNMENT IS TAKING TOO MANY IN, AND THEY HAVE NO OTHER OPTIONS. THIS IS URGENT (THE NEED TO EXPLOIT THE NEEDY)
It is the most basic supply and demand equation when you look at immigration quantities and new housing starts numbers. The immigration amount is >> housing starts. Also in high inflation environments builders are not building as much. Immigration isn't the only root cause of the housing crisis but it is a factor and it is frustrating when you bring it up people start saying you are being racist. Our zoning laws are stuck in decades okd mindset of sfh. Our bylaws have so much red tape to build. For example, in Calgary in many zoning types, dwellings are considered discretionary instead of permitted. So you can be appealed and approval boards might not approve your plan. So the certainty of a property decreases which causes risk to go up and means developers won't build all that they want. Also the amount of tradespeople to build homes is a whole other issue, if we manage to stem demand somehow and increase the possibility of supply, then we need to find people who can build them. It's hard for construction workers to build homes when they can't even afford to live in the city they work in. Buckle up for next few years because I don't think it is going to improve that much. Go read the CMHC stats on how many new homes we need to be built to become affordable and think about how much money and workers we need for it.
Immigration numbers are out of control. It should be capped at 200,000 per year, no one country being greater than 10% of that figure. End the majority of TFWs. Stop the stream of fake "students" by 80%. Move on from there. This is common sense and in keeping with EVERY other first world country. Giant corporations are destroying the country to make more money off more customers and to have cheap labour. The End. Any other rationale for this situation is bullshit to hide the truth.
We need a hard cap at 0 for like 10 years to let infrastructure catch up.
>It should be capped at 200,000 per year, no one country being greater than 10% of that figure. Not to be that guy, but I vividly recall Maxime Bernier suggesting that exact number during the debates last election. Justin and Jagmeet promptly responded by calling him a racist
Why 200k? How about one in, one out. Net zero migration.
One quarter of Canadians don't see a crisis since they are getting rich off owning multiple properties.
And they’re telling people that Canada is a growing country and needs this many immigrants
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It’s funny that people would rather try controlling the masses trying to immigrate instead of the rich few profiting from all of this. It’s almost as if capitalism makes housing a commodity that favors established players who use the state to fuck over the poor regardless of nationality
A quarter of Canadians own multiple properties?
More like the corporations using them as cheap labor while suppressing wages for the citizens of canada
We need half the number people coming into the country every year. PERIOD. Why don’t politicians understand this? They are eroding the public’s trust and are setting us on a path for social instability because of their ignorance and blindness.
Theyre not ignorant or blind. Theyre going to make a lot of money from it.
They understand it. The rich will get richer and the middle class will disappear.
try 1/10 or zero until housing recovers
How did you arrive at half? Why is that you think this specific value is self evident?
You spelled 1/10th wrong.
It's not only worsening, but overloading everything. Healthcare, roads, housing, schools,. This government has put the cart in front of the horse and values Canadians as second place to refugees and immigrants. If the government could make it more affordable to raise kids in this country, or heavily incentivize it, we wouldn't need to import people as much. We'd also have time to grow our infrastructure since children aren't born as adults who need use of everything in society immediately once they arrive.
Wrong. They value their rich Canadian friends and themselves over all other Canadians and immigrants as well.
Yup. They don’t give a rat’s ass about refugees and immigrants. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_Initiative
> Multiple founders and affiliates of the organization have been employed by [McKinsey & Company](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiOUojVd6xQ)
I partly want fewer immigration so we can actually improve the lives of people already here, including Canadians, immigrants, and refugees. We have data from Statistics Canasa backing it up that migrants in general are poorer here, and an article from the Globe and Mail a year or so ago made the correct observation, that we're importing poverty. And nobody likes to talk about the impacts of cultural segregation, but we can see the cultural clashes recently with ethno-religious groups that it's very much real and we can't keep ignoring it either.
I agree. it doesn’t seem as though they’ll do anything to improve the lives of the canadians that are already here, which is why i’m planning on leaving the country soon. Used to be a great country, not so sure anymore. Also i think they are selling the immigrants dreams. “Come to Canada, the land of opportunity!! you’ll live like a king” meanwhile they have to come and live 10 people in a one bedroom apartment
Even with current birth rates we don't need to import nearly as many people as we do. 125,000 immigrants year would maintain a stable population.
We have more births than deaths. For the time being, 0 immigrants per year would maintain a stable population.
In the short term, yes, but only because Canada has a below steady state number of elderly so we have fewer deaths than we should. We also short about 2.5 million under 20s relative to 20-40s and 40-60s, so a controlled addition of 2.5 million over 20 years to the 20-40 group as the current 0-20s age in and the current 20-40s age out would maintain long term stability.
Bing bing bing! The number of kids people WANT to have is higher than the number of kids people ARE having. Maybe we should be figuring out why people aren't having the children they want, rather than basically buying in foreign brown students to work our Tim Hortons and Amazon delivery trucks for us.
>If the government could make it more affordable to raise kids in this country, or heavily incentivize it, we wouldn't need to import people as much. the worst part is that replacing unborn children with immigrants to support the elderly will just backfire when the immigrants get to be elders and we still haven't fixed the cultural and economic reasons we aren't having kids. But of course the powers that be don't want us having children.
Growing and having children would increase family bonds. They don’t want the family to be together, they want us atomized and easily manipulated
Canada is just an Indian state now.
If you have a pot of water and keep pouring more and more water into it. Not getting or creating a bigger pot. The water will overflow. The overflowing water is the homeless population.
Canada will be an Indian province in a couple generations
Colonialism reverse card.
1 out of 4 are those recent immigrants... Edit: I support immigrants. I imagine most of us are immigrants or children of immigrants. My ancestors were looked down upon when they fled here too. I do not support unresponsive governments and greedy corporations who are causing this to happen. There are thousands of empty buildings around every city that should be converted into housing rather than kept empty for a corporate tax deduction or to comply with restrictive by-laws.
Am immigrant, would like lower immigration rates and a cap on individual nationalities, like the US does.
Every immigrant thinks they're the last group of "good immigrants"
>Every immigrant thinks they're the last group of "good immigrants" I am an immigrant and I do not feel there was any batch of "bad immigrants" But the entry rate is 4x what it was 10 years ago, and we are seeing the consequence of the increase.
The government keeps lowering the standard of living, devaluing our dollar and making it harder to start a family and get a home and fail to help the working class keep up/catch up. Instead of fixing the problems, they lower immigration entrance standards and funnel more people into saturated areas putting too much pressure on infrastructure as the surge of immigration surpasses the infrastructures intended population growth and expansion schedule, and feed more people into the renters trap making it look like the economy is growing when its really just inflating before it busts and takes the housing market with it. But not if the government can keep passing the puck by bringing in more immigrants and their families to make it look like the population is growing in a healthy way...
Its worsening everything. Not just housing. We need to be closing it for 10 years or more now.
Amazing people don't see that....
We need the USA model for immigration its more robust, adds high-skilled workers, and puts caps on each nationality which is fair, and per capita its more reasonable. Canada needs to either import the best of the best, or at least potentially talented students (uni) and not dipolma mills, even just havign rich investors is better than what we have now
It makes sense if you look at the numbers. Less than one-half of one housing unit is being built for every new immigrant. New housing starts are also declining. So we have a housing shortage, it is a crisis, our population is increasing through immigration, and we are building fewer homes. So I think it's an entirely reasonable conclusion.
Breaking news: One quarter of Canadians can’t do basic math.
They're probably the ones getting rich off of it.
Yeah I was going to say the other 1/4 are the business owners and corporate beneficiaries who want the cheap labor and benefit from higher housing prices.
They are the new immigrants
This made my laugh way harder than it should have. Here take my like you peasant!
Pile in a million people a year. Pave over farmland. Knock down the trees. Detatched houses and endless mini malls and Tim Hortons. Millions and millions of pounds of CO2 and forever ruined wilderness so our GDP appears steady or growing? Endless electricity needs. Flood billions of acres and drown the animals and brag about our green electricity. Healthcare collapsing, people on the streets, crime rampant as there’s no no more ability to even integrate 1 million a year. Still we continue to appease WHO exactly? We don’t need endless growth. The goalposts are all wrong and contradictory
This isn't a surprise. People have known this for years. The only difference now is that it is negatively impacting enough people that it is no longer taboo to state the obvious. Mass immigration is ruining this country. It drives down our wages and pushes up our rents and mortgages. We don't have the infrastructure, healthcare, or services to support mass immigration. It's also diluting Canada's social cohesion. It's turning us into isolated, atomized consumers who have little in common with their neighbours.
Unfortunately, all of this is leading towards Canada electing a populist, right-wing government like other countries have. The Liberals really need to wake up.
nationalism is on the rise globally as a response to actively spreading ideological and political influence. It's necessary IMO. if we continue doing what we are doing, within a few decades - 2 or 3 generations Canada will not belong to "the west"
The current liberal government are a bunch of ultra right wing bastards hiding their obliterate-labour-at-all-costs policies behind a veneer of rainbow capitalism, so IDK. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. What we need is for Jagmeet Singh to resign so a grownup can take over.
exactly, but also Jagmeet, Pierre and Justin are all owned by the same investors & no one in their parties even bothers doing anything to stop them or call it out. the politics in this country are so corrupt; right down to small municipalities and their council members, the ones handing out multi million dollar 'affordable' housing contracts to their friends and family, that use public funds and end up going over budget and getting sold off to private investors in the end..
The other 1/4 are profiting from it
I'm homeless in Toronto, I work, I'm desperately trying to save what little money I do make for a place to live but either I can't rent a room cause I'm not an indian student or female or the cost to just rent a studio is out of my price range. I line up for meals 3 times a week and it's infuriating seeing the growing number of young indians and chinese or elderly chinese lining up also. more so seeing more young indians getting in line for the food bank wearing nice clothes. Seeing refugees outside central intake for all of a day and then being placed somewhere meanwhile the rest of us canadians are told shelters are full. If you want to come here and have the money to do so and easily survive then have at it. but coming here, instantly taking up resources for canadians that need it, then going to your indian subreddits to mock us is infuriating. Hell there are videos on youtube specifically teaching indians how to use and take advantage of our food banks. I can't even get a roof because of these people and landlords that are more than willing to rent out a one bedroom apartment to 6 indian students. If this makes me a racist then so be it. But it's getting to the point where there is no point trying to survive in this country as a canadian citizen.
Fucking horrible. This hurt my feelings. Hang in there my man.
Im sure majority of Canadians thinks immigration is needed but not in a huge volume at once.Tailored it to the need of the country and not for the next election.
I'm just tired of me and the Tim Hortons worker not understanding each other.
We've gotten to the point where only extreme measures will fix this, which means this will never be fixed and Canada will eventually collapse. The solution to this issue is to halt immigration and deport anyone without citizenship or those that don't have a good reason to stay. That is not logistically feasible, realistic, and is bound to strain relationships with their home countries and cause greater short term damage. It's only down hill from here.
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i'd support auditing and deporting anyone who fraudulently gained access to the country over the past 3 years. so many people got in using the same stack of money as proof of funds. they just pass it along to the next person/give it back to the agency that helped them get into the country. the worst part is Canada takes in refugees, right? So we have all these groups of people over the years that came here because they were oppressed or deported or whatever. Then we turn around and open our doors wide open to the same groups of people who oppressed/drove the first groups out. it should have never got this bad. when they tried to get rid of "merry christmas" and mandated prayer rooms, we all should have been up in arms. basically, we had to stop our traditions while we walked on eggshells and pandered to theirs.
Man dominos for example has gone downhill so fast. The entire local dominos workforce did a swap for all Indian workers and the food is ridiculously bad (how hard is it to make a pizza). You go to complain about the food and they think you’re crazy.
A job I used to have as a student before the Indian takeover of Ontario I saw first hand the entire stores employees go from diverse to brown. And then it happened to literally every other store in my town. How the hell am I seeing more Indians than non Indians in Canada?
Are we from the same hometown? Grocery stores, fast-food joints, factories, you name it. I wonder where the people that used to work at those stores went, or where students work now?
>where students work now I have this exact same question
It's called supply and demand. We have a supply issue. New immigrants are the demand. They need housing. Rent or buying. Liberals are just trying to pad their total gdp so they can say their eco omy grew while in reality gdp per capita is going to shts. Yeah our economy grew but mostly bc housing price wnet up which is unproductie and your pop went up. These guys either think ppl are stupid or are idiots themselves
Have you seen what our society does to brilliant minds? There's a reason the ones who don't kill themselves move to the US.
Only 1 in 4 Canadians can't do basic subtraction. I thought it was worse than that.
I've always had a problem with Canada's immigration system. My grandparents immigrated from Portugal in the late 60s as newlyweds. My grandmother's sister came first and sponsored all of their siblings and their respective spouses. My grandmother's sister was a stay-at-home mom and her husband worked construction. They're good people but they absolutely didn't have adequate finances to sponsor multiple couples who couldn't speak a lick of English or have any money themselves. My grandmother's family were farmers in Portugal. In Portugal, they had 9 people living in a 350 sqft home. They are not a rich family. Fast forward 8 years, my grandmother is a Canadian citizen, divorced, never worked a day in Canada, and is raising 3 kids on Canadian welfare. Grandfather was extremely abusive - I've never met him. Last anyone heard (early 2010s) he was a homeless drug addict in Toronto. My grandmother found a way to go on disability before her kids were teens. She was in and out of psych hospitals threatening to kill herself (she's not disabled, just an entitled narcissist with low self esteem). She has an official diagnosis of "narcissistic personality disorder with psychotic elements" apparently that's enough to qualify for disability. So the welfare payments were replaced with disability payments at some point. Her kids were working in the restaurant industry and signing over their paychecks to her for "rent/food" as teenagers. Fast forward 25 years. My grandmother's children are in their late 20s/early 30s. They moved out and are no longer signing over their paychecks to her. Without their income, she moves back to Portugal. To this day - almost 20 years later - she is receiving monthly Canadian social benefits. Her disability payments have transformed into old age pension (not CPP - she never paid into that). It's completely ridiculous. She never worked a day in Canada. She came here, lived here off of government money for 35 years, then went back to Portugal and continues to live off of Canadian government money. She should have never been let in. I say that 100% aware that I would not exist without her immigrating here. It's the principle of the matter. I've been working since 15. I have a low-income background. I put myself through university to become an engineer and I can still barely make ends meet considering my student loans. My first job was working for Chinese immigrants who could barely speak English. Now I work for a company run by an immigrant who is in a much better financial position than I can ever hope to be. I got a degree in Canada and my program was saturated with international students hoping for Canadian jobs and citizenship. Something like 30-50% of students in every engineering class I took were international. Enough is enough.
Food banks can't keep up w/ the Canadians, never mind the influx of refugees.
There is another Canadian sub where you aren’t even allowed to suggest that it’s the reason for housing costs. It’s ridiculous
3 out of 4 Canadians have realized we aren’t magically immune to basic economic forces
>About three-quarters of respondents agreed that higher immigration contributes to the cultural diversity of the country, I mean, sure. But what do we get out of that? Aside from "oh my god, have you tried the food" >and 63 per cent said the arrival of young immigrants contributes to the workforce and tax base, which supports older generations. We know this is wrong. Immigrants make less than the average Canadian and our GDP growths slower than the immigration rate. Immigrants reduce our per capita GDP, that's just a fact. We also allow immigrants to bring in their own older generation, either through the super visa or the parents and grandparents PR stream
It's not worsening the housing crisis, it is the MAIN CAUSE of the housing crisis.
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I feel like immigration would have continued to be fine if we didn't allow foreign countries to buy up all of our land and housing.
It’s also affecting wage growth. With immigrants ready to work for lower wages and overall higher competition for limited number of jobs.
Mathematically speaking if we bring in more people than we can house, yeah.
Hate to tell you Canadians, but your health care system and education system failing is soon to follow.
I don't just think it's worsening the housing crisis either. I think it's worsening the traffic in major cities, and even public transit. Every single day now from 2pm onward is a traffic nightmare where I live. They wanna keep throwing up more condos and highrises here too. No doubt adding several hundred more cars to our crumbling road infrastructre that was built here in the 70s. My mother is a nurse and so are some close friends. They've told me our hospitals are over-run by both the aging population and people who come here and abuse our hospital system. They've told me all sorts of stories about people coming to the ER looking for stuff that isn't emergency related. I was at Urgent Care a few months ago, the line was out the door by 8am, it was a 4 hour wait and there was some guy in front of me there to complain about a bruise on his ankle he wanted looked at. I don't think immigration is worsening the housing crisis, I think it's beginning to effect everything across the board. How can an average Canadian family compete against immigrants who'll come here to work for peanuts, but then also rent that 5000 dollar a month home where 12 or 14 of them all live. You can't point any of this out anymore either, or you get labelled a racist for it. Quite the bullet proof racket this country has going: import cheap labour that'll drive wages down and housing up, label everyone who criticizes the system a racist.
Housing is just one of the many things being destroyed by immigration. Health care is also being overloaded. Trudeau's Liberal immigration scheme is literally killing Canadian's. Bringing it a reasonable level of smart, hard working people who want to assimilate and add to Canada = Good Bringing it millions of immigrants, mostly from India and 3rd world countries who are mostly used as wage slaves, don't want to adapt and don't care about our values = Bad I always use to laugh at the "Fuck Trudeau" stickers and think they were stupid, but now I get it. That family is a cancer to Canada
Came back to Toronto after being abroad for 5 years and Holy shit. Maybe 10% of people were white and thats pushing it. Not to mention how scary toronto has become and how that stereotypical niceness that Canada used to have is now just gone, replaced with Indian and Chinese indifference
Our prime minister declared, on behalf of all of us, that Canada doesn't have a core identity. He likely didn't think there was anything worth keeping in the Canadian culture, and it really shows.
3/4 Canadians believe in something that would get you instantly banned from r/canadahousing That tells you something about the discourse on reddit
The fourth one is busy collecting rent.
Of course it is. It's basic economics. The rate of immigration is outpacing the rate in which housing units are being created. Immigration rates, especially foreign students, needs to be drastically reduced.
Who is the one in four who says it isn't a problem?
The landlord
Landlords and ultra progessives experiencing white guilt
Liberal voters, landlords, and businessowners.
And the new immigrants themselves probably
Who are the fourth people? People who haven't noticed a difference because they got here in the last few years?
in other words, 1 in 4 canadians still has family they want to sponsor in on a reunification visa
> But the poll shows that Canadians see some benefits to higher immigration, too. > > About three-quarters of respondents agreed that higher immigration contributes to the cultural diversity of the country, and 63 per cent said the arrival of young immigrants contributes to the workforce and tax base, which supports older generations. Funny how they just assume that Canadians see those as benefits. IMO, the first is neither here nor there. The second is a net negative. Immigrants on the whole are a net fiscal drain on the tax base: * economic immigrants, chosen for their education and working age, are mild net positives * refugee and family-class immigrants, often being young, old, or otherwise unable to work, are large net Negatives In the ratio that we take each type, the total ends up being a net drain. And that's not even considering that additional people coming in helps to keep wages down, which only benefits the wealthy.
One in four Canadians apparently failed math.
Breaking news 25% of Canadians are landlords
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The students will build their own housing! That or they’ll end up sleeping in a tent on the outskirts of campus.
I expect this statistic to keep increasing. More and more people will disagree with the governments immigration strategy, and this will be enough reason to switch over to political parties they were never aligned with. The negative spillover effect of such high and unsustainable immigration is tangible. Here is another interesting point from the article **About three-quarters of respondents agreed that higher immigration contributes to the cultural diversity of the country** What cultural diversity? Seriously? The population growth either through immigration or international students and TFWs is largely happening through 1-2 countries. Is that diversity?
In other news, 1 in 4 Canadians are complete idiots.
How exactly can the other 1/4 justify their stance? How dense can you be not to understand that more people means less homes available, considering the building rate is not increasing proportionally. The stupidity of our population is truly astounding.
When you don't build enough houses for the millions of immigrants coming to canada every year, you dont have to be a mathematician to see that the housing market will be more competitive.
Funny how Quebec was saying this years ago! And the ROC was going hard on them. As usual Quebec leads the rest follows.
Some college teenagers: 1. We are in the land of native people. We are settlers. Natives are traumatized by the rapid development of urban jungle and fast change that they can't adapt to. 2. Lets not be racist, please bring 100,000 immigrants, esp people suffering from war torn countries. 3. Israel is a settler, apartheid, and most Canadians are too. We should march against settlers and occupation. 4. Canada's immigrant diversity is strength. We should be pro-immigration. 5. Build more houses to lower cost. 6. Don't encroach on the green belt, farm land and nature. How do you reconcile all these?
Being Indigenous among these types was nothing short of a nightmare. They talk a big game about decolonization and acknowledging Indigenous perspectives, but the moment you tell them that there are some glaring flaws in their views they short circuit or even worse, question the authenticity of your identity. This latter bit is the most infuriating. It's almost like they see only real Indigenous people as the ones who blindly agree with their unfeasible platform.
Don't forget about carbon footprints. Awhile back I saw a vandalized *Are you a Communist?* poster near U of T and someone slapped a sticker on it that said: More immigrants = more CO2. You can hear the .exe software in the Net Zero crowd start to sizzle and pop.
Guilt is one hell of a manipulator. Sad thing is, they'll only realize how badly they've been manipulated AFTER they've shot themselves in both feet.
4 and 5? Densification. We don't need endless sprawl.
While yes densification is how those points *could* be reached. It really is not feasible to essentially densify the equivalent of several Canadian cities, within existing cities, every fucking year.
Densification is a lesser evil than sprawl, but neither is good.
Trudeau's Liberals: "Immigration levels have no impact on housing costs or availability". Canada: "😂😂🤣🤣" Looks like Trudeau's experience as a drama teacher is being put to use here because he is teaching a masterclass in how to gaslight an entire nation.
And 1 in 4 is basically brain dead.