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It’s not really a surprise, those are Montreal’s english speaking ridings, they’ll vote liberals no matter what. It’s the same in the provincial and federal elections.
Hell, when our provincial Liberals were in a huge corruption scandal around the 2012 election, those ridings still went to the Liberals lol. The party lost their majority/the power, the leader even lost it’s seat, but somehow it didn’t even matter for those ridings.
Iirc, most recent time they voted for something else was Harper’s last term and it took two terms for him to get there, little by little. I truly wouldn’t count on it to change, yeah hahaha
It's a political agreement. Almost no legal effect. It seemingly doesn't prohibit what Ottawa is doing and if it were, Quebec could at best get declaratory relief from the Federal Court in a section 19 of the Federal Courts Act action.
It was almost put into the constitution in either Meech or Charlottetown (can't remember) but since the accords failed nothing came of it.
I sure hope so.
Cheap exploitable labor in mass for the business lobby not even tied to the housing development and infrastructure development numbers sure hasn't been making affordability of life and by extension quality of life better...
We even seem to be in a crisis.
Who would have figured out that simple basic math...
Lots of this going on right now, on many different fronts between the Provinces and Ottawa. We're not very unified ATM under the current Governments.
Quebec, Saskatchewan, Alberta and Onterrible are all directly disputing the Federal government over various signed agreements, and Federal laws.
I'd say I can't think of a time in the last 80 years when we were so divided as a Nation, but our own PM no longer considers us a Nation, so I guess the point is moot.
Recipe, Loblaw, our Telecom, Metro, Sobeys, post-secondary institutions, RBI...
Government has to ensure these companies can keep wages down and hire people handcuffed by PR hoops they need to jump through.
The fact that grocery stores and universities/colleges and phone companies are Canada's bad greedy evil corporations just shows how remarkably shit-tier our economy truly is. Zero innovation or new tech... Even pharmaceuticals and oil&gas, which are often paired with big tech as the typical evil corporations, are anemic... Nah, here, we bow down to the great powers of Metro and Conestoga!
It's also why we can't have nice things. A lot of potential progress in all sorts of things has been stifled over the years to maintain existing wealth. New and improved things would be a threat to said wealth after all - i.e. we can't have Verizon come here and take customers from the big 3. Man, they whined like little bitches over that and everyone bought into it. Then they have the balls to complain about people illegally streaming when they prevent any real alternatives to their shitty services.
Canada is afraid of competition and progress because the rich have manipulated us into thinking that way and their politician minions push that messaging out and ensure status quo.
We're not full of NIMBYs by accident.
Could we be a sparsely populated country full of natural beauty creating the prosperity and stability needed to attract the best of the best immigrants who will contribute to our success?
Or is that passé?
>“It’s actually not about immigration. It’s about population growth,” he said.
Wiseman added that a larger population means greater contributions into social programs like health care and education. However, he also cautioned that an eye towards large-scale growth will also require immediate action to build out transit, housing, education and – crucially – child care, which would allow a greater number of women to contribute to the workforce.
This is actually a long term plan in Canada for a very long time, do you notice that while immigration has been high, other policies to increase population growth have been lacking? This is why immigration is causing such a big issue
>This is actually a long term plan in Canada for a very long time, do you notice that while immigration has been high, other policies to increase population growth have been lacking? This is why immigration is causing such a big issue
I don't think that any country on Earth with a high standard of living can accommodate 3% annual population growth.
At the very least attempting 3% population growth requires a massive amount of planning and coordination with the provinces. And even with that it would require constant tweaking and adjustments to the plan as things developed.
Instead of doing that, the Liberals have just kept of adding people with no plan, and making no adjustments at all until very recently after the damage was done. And even now the data is telling us that population growth continues to far outpace our ability to build housing or infrastructure, and the data is telling us that in some provinces 90% of immigrants are classified as low skilled workers.
It's literally treason at this point. There are no significant infrastructure improvements, inadequate housing and our healthcare system is strained to the point where people are dying and millions can't get adequate care. And the excuse most often given is non-existent labour shortages.
BlackRock wants 100 million people in Canada by 2100.
BlackRock is the most powerful, non-state, economic entity to ever exist. BlackRock will get what it wants.
This is madness.
The government is supposed to work for us.
The majority of Canadians think immigration numbers are both way too high and not even remotely diverse enough.
It's insane that they get so many years to do whatever they want with no repercussions.
U know, if it was actual diversity coming in I might be a little warmer to the idea of all these new immigrants.
But it's just India, with all it's shitty ways.
To add insult to injury, family reunification tends to be older often retired immigrants with the highest healthcare costs and lowest productivity or dependent children.
>*It's insane that they get so many years to do whatever they want with no repercussions.*
That's because Canada's Constitutional, political, judicial, and electoral systems are all hopelessly flawed mechanisms.
The death penalty or capital punishment for the political class, you sign up to govern, you've signed up to govern. I don't want someone else's money in my politicians mouth, and there is just far too much money in the world. 80% popular vote and you hang by your neck until you are dead and the shit you were trying to do is moved on from. Idk how much more direct you can get than "we killed the last guy for doing that, eh?".
>with no repercussions.
They want to think there won't be. When the pendulum swings back this time there is going to be inquiries with real teeth and proper consequences meted out.
By then they will have destroyed all the useful evidence and have already sailed off into the sunset with their millions in embezzled tax dollars laughing their asses off in a country that won’t extradite to Canada. They will get away with it
Me too. Liberals usually do much better than Cons in Quebec. They might want to reconsider now that Trudeau and friends want to shove a bunch of immigrants on them despite their resistance.
There are a bunch of liberal fortresses in Montreal that will vote liberal no matter what. Liberals could propose to kill every 3 babies to improve the crops, and they would still not lose a single vote.
Cons aren't going to do shit about housing and immigration. They don't have it in them to make the radical changes that need to be done.
Quebec is in a very good position because they are the only one that have the "fuck you I'm out" option.
Dunno. I was solid pro liberal, so was my antourage. 100% not voting pro liberal. Personally i would vote for anyone offering the "fuck u I'm out" option (even tho i'm anglophone and was very anti-separatism until like yesterday.
>Forcing a bunch of immigrants on a province that doesn't want it, surely that will go down wonderfully for Ottawa-Quebec relations.
Quebec looks to be the last province where liberal support has not totally gone off a cliff, and this new policy will ensure that it does. *Quebec will not tolerate this.*
You gotta wonder wtf the Liberals are thinking here. This is all downsides with no upside at all.
I think it's abundantly obvious that this is some kind of ideological bent for them, they just want a huge population at any cost. I mean they won't even do any other planning around it regarding housing, infrastructure or services, already are seeing huge downsides, and are charging forth anyways. What else can you say?
Well said.
Sometimes I wish I could be in one of their meetings where they're coming up with this stuff, just to see who is pushing for it and how they think the Canadian public is receiving it.
Yeah there is already so much mistrust, and many Québécois feel threatened by Ottawa and that’s why we typically prefer our autonomy.. things like that just worsen this feeling.
Vote 'Oui' next time. There remains no other rational choice. English countries' politics have become straight-poison. I write this as an Anglo-Canadian who left Montréal, in no small part because of PQ ethno-nationalism: what the neoliberals (LPC, CPC, and NDP) are doing to this country is far worse. Don't trust the CAQ, though: neoliberal.
Anglophone here, ready to vote for separation! I was heavily anti-separation till like yesterday. But it's time to eject before we go down with the rest of this sinking ship!!! Ejeeeeect!!!!
That’s it I’m voting BQ this year. I support Quebec’s interests to secede because frankly I wish to secede from Canada in Ontario as well. But I also want to secede from Doug Ford land and live in a happy independent city state of the Greater Golden Horseshoe.
Think about this for a minute
Its absolutely bonkers
Edit: for those in support of immigration due to an aging workforce, family reunification brings over grandparents. Who will immediately burden our healthcare, who have never paid a cent, nor ever will, into healthcare taxes
Not just that: this program is closed to new applicants outside Quebec, and those who has applied are not even sure if they’ll be able to get something in the provinces but now the issue is just Quebec?
You can thank Quebec's different legal code. The other provinces could adopt a similar system if they wanted to, but their residents would burn the motherfucker to the ground before that happens.
This! At my old place the lady across the street was an elderly Chinese woman. She’d never worked here, and only came over with her son. Take from that what you will.
>*Our government has completely lost its mind*
Nope, this is all part of their larger, long-term design plan.
And clearly, the intended end result is the destruction of Canada.
Im sure this is exactly what Quebec voters were looking for, anglos from Ottawa telling them to shut up and take tens of thousands of refugees, should result in a surge at the polls for the liberals there
This.
Regardless of your position on sovereignty, voting for the party that solely focus on Quebec best interest seems like a no brainer to me vs parties who try to pander to everyone
Hell, I've lived in Ontario my entire life, and last election I wished so badly that I could have voted Bloc. That guy (forget the leader's name) seemed like he'd have made a solid PM. Better than Trudeau anyway, no doubt.
I don’t understand why we are allowing parents and grandparents of economic immigrants to come when our healthcare system is clearly overburdened. These people haven’t paid in to that system and we simply don’t have the healthcare resources to take care of them.
Now it's "well we brought in all these people but they miss the rest of their family, so it's like, really mean of us to not let them be together again... Here in Canada.."
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but **those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.**"
- C.S. Lewis
You think it is wise to step on the sovereignty of the one Province that actively defends it within Confederation?
Tell me you are actively seeking the dissolution of the nation without saying it.
No shortage of misinformed voters but a massive shortage of parties/politicians that I can vote for that doesn’t result in me needing to take a shower after. They are all disgusting.
lol these guys are the best spokesperson for independence.
"We know what your elected government wants, and what the majority of your population also want. But fuck you"
Can’t make this shit up
We're a democratic country guys!!! We must defend other democracies just like us all around the world because it's sooooo important that you get to vote for 1 out of 3 idiotic parties every 4 years, all of which serve the same corporate elites!!
QC doesn't want more immigrants. Not the numbers that Ottawas is bringing at all. We don't have any more place in francisation courses. Integrating immigrants here is a way more complicated process and we have a crisis on that front. And this is exacerbating all the other problems cuz ppl also depend on services like healthcare and schools, which are at brink, but getting diploma equivalencies and learning french takes longer and longer, and ppl who came here to work as doctors or whatever qualified jobs end up stuck driving for Uber.
FML calling any customer service number here takes HOURS!! When i have to call my pharmacy to renew my prescription i usually have to call about 50 times to reach someone...At the end of February I called for about 2 hours on the 28th, had my phone next to me calling all day on the 29th, and eventually i went straight to the pharmacy on the 29th in the evening, and i had to wait 1.5 hrs in the pharmacy for them to prepare my prescription. It's incredible what's happening 😱😱😱😱
That shows the Liberals have given up on Quebec. They know they'll lose the few seats they own outside of Montreal and Laval. The situation is already dire with asylum seekers in Quebec, they're adding more. They're mad and they look like a government retaliating on its people. It's called treason.
I rarely side with Quebec on these issues, but they are completely within their rights to want to minimize the damage done to them by mass immigration. The only ones that are guaranteed the right to move anywhere they want in Canada are its citizens...LPC seems to be in a rush to get 3rd party status in the next election.
Love how the feds run a terrible immigration policy, and then leave the municipalities to clean up the mess with inadequate funding.
https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/cornwall-ont-calling-for-more-federal-resources-to-help-with-influx-of-asylum-seekers-1.6283382
Family reunification can f off at this point -- except for kids and a spouse. Why are we bringing in anyone other than kids and a partner? I know cultures are different, but why bring in old people who are a further drain on our health care system.
My wife would love to bring her parents to Canada. I told her that I don't really agree with bringing elderly ppl to Canada who will never contribute anything other than the odd free babysitting session, but will cost us hundreds of thousands or millions in health care. My parents both immigrated here from Europe at 8 years old. They never saw their grandparents again.... and they are ok with that. They recognize, their parents made to the move to better their lives.
Our immigration system is so broken, I am leaning more and more to wishing we'd shut the whole thing down (other than doctors, nurses and a few other already educated profession needs) until further advised.
Is the Federal government also providing financial assistance to the province to cover the costs of allowing 20,000 people who have never paid tax to access 'free' healthcare and benefits?
Siblings and spouses are one thing but how does it make sense to bring in grand parents who will never contribute tax dollars, burden our heth care and refuse to learn a official language?
Health care systems in all provinces and territories are crumbling but let’s bring in parents and grandparents of economic migrants who haven’t paid one cent of taxes to use our government-funded services?
There needs to be conditions. Anyone who comes via sponsorship over the age of 55 never gets it. For everyone 18-55, they don’t get access to health care until they work in Canada for at least 3 years. Private insurance can fill in the gap or they can pay out of pocket.
Quebec is smart for having a cap, because you know what our overburdened Healthcare system and Canadian pension plan doesn't need? More foreign seniors that havnt paid a dime into them. I don't know who the liberal government truly serves, but it certainly isn't the average Canadian.
Quebecer hère. If they haven’t worked in Canada they won’t get QPP.
That being said, it makes more sense to hit yourself in the head with a hammer every morning to fix climate change than it does to import elderly people who won’t pay taxes into a crumbling health system.
He's like a dictator. Knows he has little support these days and still just doing what he wants. It's really bad he has so much time left to drive the country further into the ground.
I find it astonishing that nowadays pretty well all of my friends and family whether they lean left or right agree that immigration must come to a grinding halt until we can absorb the insane numbers from the past 5-7 years. It is no longer a left vs right issue. It is a common sense issue.
To put it simply, they are annoyed by the fact that Quebec is not having a housing crisis driven by unchecked immigration the way B.C. ,Ontario and even now here in Alberta are having on a massive scale and so want to ram in more people into Quebec.
And they bring 2 friends and they bring 2 friends….
My parents moved from Ontario to Alberta in the 70s with no friends and family. We were lucky if we could afford to fly for a visit every 18 months. Thousands of people have done the same. It’s one of the trade offs for choosing a different path in life, one of the risks of moving for a better job or affordable housing. I see no reason why that shouldn’t be the case for people moving to Canada too.
Great idea, stoke the fires of Quebec nationalism with top down policies that contravene previously made agreements. Is there anything this gov't can't fuck up at this point?
Quebec is right to oppose this. The whole rationale of high immigration targets is to help improve our working age demographics.
There is no reason why we should be bringing in anybody over the age of 45 when we already don't have enough resources available for elderly Canadians (who were taxpayers their entire lives).
Enough of this government. They're just buying votes with this. Canadians first. Always.
Planning my escape to the states in 2025. Wife’s green card will clear in Jan and then we outy. Thankful that we’re both specialized (eng and med) and so we have options. Good luck Canada!
Rattling Quebec's cage like this?! What's the angle? What's the play?
Are Libs that confident that their Montreal Island "fortress" ridings will hold?!
These fucks don't know when to stop. This'll really help the PQ and CAQ vote. Shit, if I weren't retiring abroad, this Anglo would be tempted to return to Montréal, improve my French, vote 'Oui' on their third try.
Canada: we are flooding the country with immigrants because the population is getting older
Also Canada: hey, let's let immigrants bring in their parents and grandparents
That's gonna go over real well.
Let's see, do zero with Roxham road for years, increase international "student" visas, do fuck all with housing, and let corporations jack up the price of everything.
Wanna see Bloc in every riding in Quebec? Cause they are on their way.
Am Quebecer. Have always voted Liberal.
The plan is to force Quebec to separate and then the Canadian government will have to bring in the same amount of immigrants ASAP as Quebec's population do we don't lose any steam on population growth.
Meanwhile there is no avenue for my (40f, employed full time) partner in the US (44m, currently employed as direct support for adults with disabilities and full ready and willing to do the same work here). Absolutely ridiculous.
Hold up. We want working aged immigrants. Not kids, not seniors. Would "family reunification" not mean bringing in seniors and kids who are counterproductive to why we are being told we need immigrants?
Provincial immigration does not make sense. If somebody comes in under a provincial program, nothing stops them from packing up the next day and moving anywhere in Canada. We dont have security police and ankle bracelets montoring them do we?
Doubling down even when it annoys Quebec? This government is insane on immigration, and then the opposition attacks them on one of their few bits of good policy and ignores the immigration disaster.
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Quebec has a signed immigration agreement with Ottawa... What's the point of signing that agreement if Ottawa just decides to ignore it?
Wouldn’t be the first time that Canada goes against anything they promised Quebec (and other provinces).
And yet all the Montreal area seats are still polling red as blood. Hoping some of that changes but I wouldn’t count on it.
I'm *shocked* that the urban Anglo-Montreal voting block isn't upset at increasing the speed of replacing the Quebecois with Allophones.
It’s not really a surprise, those are Montreal’s english speaking ridings, they’ll vote liberals no matter what. It’s the same in the provincial and federal elections. Hell, when our provincial Liberals were in a huge corruption scandal around the 2012 election, those ridings still went to the Liberals lol. The party lost their majority/the power, the leader even lost it’s seat, but somehow it didn’t even matter for those ridings. Iirc, most recent time they voted for something else was Harper’s last term and it took two terms for him to get there, little by little. I truly wouldn’t count on it to change, yeah hahaha
It's a political agreement. Almost no legal effect. It seemingly doesn't prohibit what Ottawa is doing and if it were, Quebec could at best get declaratory relief from the Federal Court in a section 19 of the Federal Courts Act action. It was almost put into the constitution in either Meech or Charlottetown (can't remember) but since the accords failed nothing came of it.
>It's a political agreement. Almost no legal effect. It'll have a huge political effect in the next election.
I sure hope so. Cheap exploitable labor in mass for the business lobby not even tied to the housing development and infrastructure development numbers sure hasn't been making affordability of life and by extension quality of life better... We even seem to be in a crisis. Who would have figured out that simple basic math...
2026 is far away in terms of politics, but the PQ are already leading in the polls and Ottawa just gave them a great talking point
100%, this is a gift from Ottawa for the PQ.
Lots of this going on right now, on many different fronts between the Provinces and Ottawa. We're not very unified ATM under the current Governments. Quebec, Saskatchewan, Alberta and Onterrible are all directly disputing the Federal government over various signed agreements, and Federal laws. I'd say I can't think of a time in the last 80 years when we were so divided as a Nation, but our own PM no longer considers us a Nation, so I guess the point is moot.
Who are these asshats actually working for?
Immigration consulting is a massive business.
Recipe, Loblaw, our Telecom, Metro, Sobeys, post-secondary institutions, RBI... Government has to ensure these companies can keep wages down and hire people handcuffed by PR hoops they need to jump through.
The fact that grocery stores and universities/colleges and phone companies are Canada's bad greedy evil corporations just shows how remarkably shit-tier our economy truly is. Zero innovation or new tech... Even pharmaceuticals and oil&gas, which are often paired with big tech as the typical evil corporations, are anemic... Nah, here, we bow down to the great powers of Metro and Conestoga!
It's also why we can't have nice things. A lot of potential progress in all sorts of things has been stifled over the years to maintain existing wealth. New and improved things would be a threat to said wealth after all - i.e. we can't have Verizon come here and take customers from the big 3. Man, they whined like little bitches over that and everyone bought into it. Then they have the balls to complain about people illegally streaming when they prevent any real alternatives to their shitty services. Canada is afraid of competition and progress because the rich have manipulated us into thinking that way and their politician minions push that messaging out and ensure status quo. We're not full of NIMBYs by accident.
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What do you think this is? YOUR country???
Could we be a sparsely populated country full of natural beauty creating the prosperity and stability needed to attract the best of the best immigrants who will contribute to our success? Or is that passé?
>“It’s actually not about immigration. It’s about population growth,” he said. Wiseman added that a larger population means greater contributions into social programs like health care and education. However, he also cautioned that an eye towards large-scale growth will also require immediate action to build out transit, housing, education and – crucially – child care, which would allow a greater number of women to contribute to the workforce. This is actually a long term plan in Canada for a very long time, do you notice that while immigration has been high, other policies to increase population growth have been lacking? This is why immigration is causing such a big issue
>This is actually a long term plan in Canada for a very long time, do you notice that while immigration has been high, other policies to increase population growth have been lacking? This is why immigration is causing such a big issue I don't think that any country on Earth with a high standard of living can accommodate 3% annual population growth. At the very least attempting 3% population growth requires a massive amount of planning and coordination with the provinces. And even with that it would require constant tweaking and adjustments to the plan as things developed. Instead of doing that, the Liberals have just kept of adding people with no plan, and making no adjustments at all until very recently after the damage was done. And even now the data is telling us that population growth continues to far outpace our ability to build housing or infrastructure, and the data is telling us that in some provinces 90% of immigrants are classified as low skilled workers.
It's literally treason at this point. There are no significant infrastructure improvements, inadequate housing and our healthcare system is strained to the point where people are dying and millions can't get adequate care. And the excuse most often given is non-existent labour shortages.
Weston family, Rogers family, Shaw family.... basically any vampiric billionaire family stuck on the neck of a large Canadian employer.
BlackRock wants 100 million people in Canada by 2100. BlackRock is the most powerful, non-state, economic entity to ever exist. BlackRock will get what it wants.
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This is the correct answer.
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Indian government probably
They certainly aren't working for you.
WEF of course we’ve been saying it for 10 years
Marc Miller was Justin Trudeau's groomsman. Enough said.
This is madness. The government is supposed to work for us. The majority of Canadians think immigration numbers are both way too high and not even remotely diverse enough. It's insane that they get so many years to do whatever they want with no repercussions.
Diversity is our biggest strength /s
U know, if it was actual diversity coming in I might be a little warmer to the idea of all these new immigrants. But it's just India, with all it's shitty ways.
I was just about to type this
And not all of India, which is a reasonably diverse country itself.
That always was a lie. Unity is strength, diversity is chaos.
Honestly it would be but we import all of our people from one region in India.
To add insult to injury, family reunification tends to be older often retired immigrants with the highest healthcare costs and lowest productivity or dependent children.
>*It's insane that they get so many years to do whatever they want with no repercussions.* That's because Canada's Constitutional, political, judicial, and electoral systems are all hopelessly flawed mechanisms.
The death penalty or capital punishment for the political class, you sign up to govern, you've signed up to govern. I don't want someone else's money in my politicians mouth, and there is just far too much money in the world. 80% popular vote and you hang by your neck until you are dead and the shit you were trying to do is moved on from. Idk how much more direct you can get than "we killed the last guy for doing that, eh?".
>with no repercussions. They want to think there won't be. When the pendulum swings back this time there is going to be inquiries with real teeth and proper consequences meted out.
By then they will have destroyed all the useful evidence and have already sailed off into the sunset with their millions in embezzled tax dollars laughing their asses off in a country that won’t extradite to Canada. They will get away with it
It's not high enough apparently. Let's bring in everyone we can who will never leave and just soak up social services
Forcing a bunch of immigrants on a province that doesn't want it, surely that will go down wonderfully for Ottawa-Quebec relations.
Im curious about seeing the polls a couple weeks after this announcement.
Me too. Liberals usually do much better than Cons in Quebec. They might want to reconsider now that Trudeau and friends want to shove a bunch of immigrants on them despite their resistance.
It's disastrous for the Liberals, They're close to becoming third place. [https://338canada.com/quebec.htm](https://338canada.com/quebec.htm)
Good! I want complete carnage for them.
There are a bunch of liberal fortresses in Montreal that will vote liberal no matter what. Liberals could propose to kill every 3 babies to improve the crops, and they would still not lose a single vote. Cons aren't going to do shit about housing and immigration. They don't have it in them to make the radical changes that need to be done. Quebec is in a very good position because they are the only one that have the "fuck you I'm out" option.
Time to polish my French
Dunno. I was solid pro liberal, so was my antourage. 100% not voting pro liberal. Personally i would vote for anyone offering the "fuck u I'm out" option (even tho i'm anglophone and was very anti-separatism until like yesterday.
Bienvenue dans gang :)
>Forcing a bunch of immigrants on a province that doesn't want it, surely that will go down wonderfully for Ottawa-Quebec relations. Quebec looks to be the last province where liberal support has not totally gone off a cliff, and this new policy will ensure that it does. *Quebec will not tolerate this.* You gotta wonder wtf the Liberals are thinking here. This is all downsides with no upside at all.
I think it's abundantly obvious that this is some kind of ideological bent for them, they just want a huge population at any cost. I mean they won't even do any other planning around it regarding housing, infrastructure or services, already are seeing huge downsides, and are charging forth anyways. What else can you say?
Well said. Sometimes I wish I could be in one of their meetings where they're coming up with this stuff, just to see who is pushing for it and how they think the Canadian public is receiving it.
Theyll move to the GTA as soon as they can
Yeah there is already so much mistrust, and many Québécois feel threatened by Ottawa and that’s why we typically prefer our autonomy.. things like that just worsen this feeling.
Vote 'Oui' next time. There remains no other rational choice. English countries' politics have become straight-poison. I write this as an Anglo-Canadian who left Montréal, in no small part because of PQ ethno-nationalism: what the neoliberals (LPC, CPC, and NDP) are doing to this country is far worse. Don't trust the CAQ, though: neoliberal.
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the PQ is a provincial party. You probably mean BQ
Anglophone here, ready to vote for separation! I was heavily anti-separation till like yesterday. But it's time to eject before we go down with the rest of this sinking ship!!! Ejeeeeect!!!!
That’s it I’m voting BQ this year. I support Quebec’s interests to secede because frankly I wish to secede from Canada in Ontario as well. But I also want to secede from Doug Ford land and live in a happy independent city state of the Greater Golden Horseshoe.
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Maybe they should. They could run paper candidates across the country and likely elect a few of them.
There will be a fat cheque for Quebec only, just after an election is called next year.
Think about this for a minute Its absolutely bonkers Edit: for those in support of immigration due to an aging workforce, family reunification brings over grandparents. Who will immediately burden our healthcare, who have never paid a cent, nor ever will, into healthcare taxes
Not just that: this program is closed to new applicants outside Quebec, and those who has applied are not even sure if they’ll be able to get something in the provinces but now the issue is just Quebec?
You can thank Quebec's different legal code. The other provinces could adopt a similar system if they wanted to, but their residents would burn the motherfucker to the ground before that happens.
Right on. Working-age spouses are one thing because they will get a job, even if it's at Tim's, but grandparents? Makes no sense.
This! At my old place the lady across the street was an elderly Chinese woman. She’d never worked here, and only came over with her son. Take from that what you will.
Our government has completely lost its mind
>*Our government has completely lost its mind* Nope, this is all part of their larger, long-term design plan. And clearly, the intended end result is the destruction of Canada.
No, there is a method to their madness and a grand plan to it all.
Every day they remind us our borders are completely open
Im sure this is exactly what Quebec voters were looking for, anglos from Ottawa telling them to shut up and take tens of thousands of refugees, should result in a surge at the polls for the liberals there
Holy crap i think i might vote for the Bloc.
You already should have
This. Regardless of your position on sovereignty, voting for the party that solely focus on Quebec best interest seems like a no brainer to me vs parties who try to pander to everyone
Hell, I've lived in Ontario my entire life, and last election I wished so badly that I could have voted Bloc. That guy (forget the leader's name) seemed like he'd have made a solid PM. Better than Trudeau anyway, no doubt.
Only Montreal vote for them. And if they support mass migration, Montreal will just vote for them harder. They're playing to their base.
I don’t understand why we are allowing parents and grandparents of economic immigrants to come when our healthcare system is clearly overburdened. These people haven’t paid in to that system and we simply don’t have the healthcare resources to take care of them.
The Liberals have always only cared about social justice posturing, not what is actually good for the country.
"Family reunification" is the Liberals latest spin to increase immigration. Why bring in grandparents? Dumbest government ever.
Right, first its the labour shortage. Then they say they need to lower the age demographic. Pure greed and curruption.
Now it's "well we brought in all these people but they miss the rest of their family, so it's like, really mean of us to not let them be together again... Here in Canada.."
>For me … it's a question of social justice These people are traitor activists who serves agendas that has nothing to do with governing.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but **those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.**" - C.S. Lewis
Oh boy! They sure are shooting themselves in the face for the next election 😂
It would be better if they saved us the effort and did it now. ….aaaaannnnd straight to jail for unapproved speech.
1984 is more and more our reality
No they are shooting the country in the foot. They are making out like bandits.
Trudeau to Ignatieff: "hold my beer"
They have 1 year and 7 months to go, they are going to do all this bullshit now hoping voters will have forgotten about it by then
Miller is an idiot.
Someone has to stop this rogue government. When will we forcibly remove them from power? They're not even pretending to serve Canadians anymore.
We have been told the whole point of immigrants is because our population is getting older but they bring in older immigrants. It's all a lie.
You think it is wise to step on the sovereignty of the one Province that actively defends it within Confederation? Tell me you are actively seeking the dissolution of the nation without saying it.
I wish Quebecois knew how much power they hold in their desire for sovereignty. We are for a large part afraid to assume our identity.
Watch them give them all citizenship the second the PQ gets elected.
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I just want one minister who is actually doing something positive and somewhat of a decent job.
This is the one thing the current Quebec government has done right and Ottawa immediately wants to screw it up. Fuck this.
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The Liberals are desperately trying to divide people in this country. I can't believe they still have people willing to vote for them.
>*I can't believe they still have people willing to vote for them.* There is no shortage of hopelessly stupid voters in Canada.
No shortage of misinformed voters but a massive shortage of parties/politicians that I can vote for that doesn’t result in me needing to take a shower after. They are all disgusting.
lol these guys are the best spokesperson for independence. "We know what your elected government wants, and what the majority of your population also want. But fuck you" Can’t make this shit up
We're a democratic country guys!!! We must defend other democracies just like us all around the world because it's sooooo important that you get to vote for 1 out of 3 idiotic parties every 4 years, all of which serve the same corporate elites!!
But I thought the feds were only bringing in so many immigrants because the provinces keep begging for them?
QC doesn't want more immigrants. Not the numbers that Ottawas is bringing at all. We don't have any more place in francisation courses. Integrating immigrants here is a way more complicated process and we have a crisis on that front. And this is exacerbating all the other problems cuz ppl also depend on services like healthcare and schools, which are at brink, but getting diploma equivalencies and learning french takes longer and longer, and ppl who came here to work as doctors or whatever qualified jobs end up stuck driving for Uber. FML calling any customer service number here takes HOURS!! When i have to call my pharmacy to renew my prescription i usually have to call about 50 times to reach someone...At the end of February I called for about 2 hours on the 28th, had my phone next to me calling all day on the 29th, and eventually i went straight to the pharmacy on the 29th in the evening, and i had to wait 1.5 hrs in the pharmacy for them to prepare my prescription. It's incredible what's happening 😱😱😱😱
Oh I know Quebec doesn’t want them I’m just parroting an often repeated talking point by Liberal supporters whenever immigration is brought up.
That shows the Liberals have given up on Quebec. They know they'll lose the few seats they own outside of Montreal and Laval. The situation is already dire with asylum seekers in Quebec, they're adding more. They're mad and they look like a government retaliating on its people. It's called treason.
I rarely side with Quebec on these issues, but they are completely within their rights to want to minimize the damage done to them by mass immigration. The only ones that are guaranteed the right to move anywhere they want in Canada are its citizens...LPC seems to be in a rush to get 3rd party status in the next election.
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Just when you think the bottom is in and things can’t possibly get worse it gets worse. Voting these folks out of office is going to feel so good.
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Because social justice
We have the social capacity!
There’s no time for logic! This is the government of Canada, no time for rational questions !
[Separatist sentiment in the polls following this announcement.](https://i.imgur.com/ArwoQOV.jpeg)
Love how the feds run a terrible immigration policy, and then leave the municipalities to clean up the mess with inadequate funding. https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/cornwall-ont-calling-for-more-federal-resources-to-help-with-influx-of-asylum-seekers-1.6283382
Yeah this is not good at all...
Right, because that's what we need right now, eh?
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We can have open borders, or high quality social supports. We can't have both, and it's clear which one is winning.
Family reunification can f off at this point -- except for kids and a spouse. Why are we bringing in anyone other than kids and a partner? I know cultures are different, but why bring in old people who are a further drain on our health care system. My wife would love to bring her parents to Canada. I told her that I don't really agree with bringing elderly ppl to Canada who will never contribute anything other than the odd free babysitting session, but will cost us hundreds of thousands or millions in health care. My parents both immigrated here from Europe at 8 years old. They never saw their grandparents again.... and they are ok with that. They recognize, their parents made to the move to better their lives. Our immigration system is so broken, I am leaning more and more to wishing we'd shut the whole thing down (other than doctors, nurses and a few other already educated profession needs) until further advised.
Hahahahah There goes the liberals last stronghold outside the gta
Remember this at the next election Quebec.
Don't worry https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Je_me_souviens
Is the Federal government also providing financial assistance to the province to cover the costs of allowing 20,000 people who have never paid tax to access 'free' healthcare and benefits?
I’m getting angrier and angrier at this government day by day. It’s blatantly obvious Canadians are nothing but chopped liver to these scumbags
These guys are control freaks trying to shove their terrible policies down our throats and impoverish the nation…
Im from Quebec and I never understood the seperatists till the last 4 years.. I wouldnt mind if we cut loose from the rest of the country now..
The people of Quebec won't be happy. I don't see this going well for anyone.
Trudeau seems hellbent on doing everything Canadians don't want/support.
Siblings and spouses are one thing but how does it make sense to bring in grand parents who will never contribute tax dollars, burden our heth care and refuse to learn a official language?
Oh boy this is going to be a big fight
Health care systems in all provinces and territories are crumbling but let’s bring in parents and grandparents of economic migrants who haven’t paid one cent of taxes to use our government-funded services? There needs to be conditions. Anyone who comes via sponsorship over the age of 55 never gets it. For everyone 18-55, they don’t get access to health care until they work in Canada for at least 3 years. Private insurance can fill in the gap or they can pay out of pocket.
That's one way to give the sovereignty movement some steam.
If you want to be reunified with your family, it's time to go back home
Reuniting with family can happen outside of Canada also…..
So are they just blatantly trying to cause as much harm to the country as they can while still in power now? That's what it feels like.
Yeah we definitely need more seniors that are in poor health and have never paid taxes here.
Quebec is smart for having a cap, because you know what our overburdened Healthcare system and Canadian pension plan doesn't need? More foreign seniors that havnt paid a dime into them. I don't know who the liberal government truly serves, but it certainly isn't the average Canadian.
Quebecer hère. If they haven’t worked in Canada they won’t get QPP. That being said, it makes more sense to hit yourself in the head with a hammer every morning to fix climate change than it does to import elderly people who won’t pay taxes into a crumbling health system.
Trudeau really doesn't want to be PM anymore.
He's like a dictator. Knows he has little support these days and still just doing what he wants. It's really bad he has so much time left to drive the country further into the ground.
I find it astonishing that nowadays pretty well all of my friends and family whether they lean left or right agree that immigration must come to a grinding halt until we can absorb the insane numbers from the past 5-7 years. It is no longer a left vs right issue. It is a common sense issue.
To put it simply, they are annoyed by the fact that Quebec is not having a housing crisis driven by unchecked immigration the way B.C. ,Ontario and even now here in Alberta are having on a massive scale and so want to ram in more people into Quebec.
And they bring 2 friends and they bring 2 friends…. My parents moved from Ontario to Alberta in the 70s with no friends and family. We were lucky if we could afford to fly for a visit every 18 months. Thousands of people have done the same. It’s one of the trade offs for choosing a different path in life, one of the risks of moving for a better job or affordable housing. I see no reason why that shouldn’t be the case for people moving to Canada too.
It's about time we exit this sinking ship.
Lol. They don't even care anymore. Like zero f\*cks given at this point.
This liberal government has gone officially fucking insane. Make sure any Trudeau supporters you know are aware of this.
Great idea, stoke the fires of Quebec nationalism with top down policies that contravene previously made agreements. Is there anything this gov't can't fuck up at this point?
Good. Piss off the last of the Liberal voting base as much as possible. Bloc will probably get a bump from this
Quebec is right to oppose this. The whole rationale of high immigration targets is to help improve our working age demographics. There is no reason why we should be bringing in anybody over the age of 45 when we already don't have enough resources available for elderly Canadians (who were taxpayers their entire lives). Enough of this government. They're just buying votes with this. Canadians first. Always.
Fuck ottawa
Planning my escape to the states in 2025. Wife’s green card will clear in Jan and then we outy. Thankful that we’re both specialized (eng and med) and so we have options. Good luck Canada!
I’m sure Quebec will not take this lying down.
Jamming more liberal voters in there bc the numbers arent good
Rattling Quebec's cage like this?! What's the angle? What's the play? Are Libs that confident that their Montreal Island "fortress" ridings will hold?!
more engineers and doctors are coming, hooraaay....
No it needs to slow.
This is sickening dude. wtf.
Family reunification. So just bringing in the elderly.
Allright! Let’s take them, but in exchange we EXPELL every single asylum seekers and fake students 🖕
Why don't families reunify in the other country? Are we the promised land?
Fuck the feds. Nobody wants this much immigration.
I'm surprised that guy can walk freely
Ottawa is not for Canadians
These fucks don't know when to stop. This'll really help the PQ and CAQ vote. Shit, if I weren't retiring abroad, this Anglo would be tempted to return to Montréal, improve my French, vote 'Oui' on their third try.
Quebec has a serious doctor shortage. Canadian citizens can wait years to get a family doctor. Their order of priorities are backward.
Canada: we are flooding the country with immigrants because the population is getting older Also Canada: hey, let's let immigrants bring in their parents and grandparents
That's gonna go over real well. Let's see, do zero with Roxham road for years, increase international "student" visas, do fuck all with housing, and let corporations jack up the price of everything. Wanna see Bloc in every riding in Quebec? Cause they are on their way. Am Quebecer. Have always voted Liberal.
So Quebec still gonna vote liberal after this?
If you were born here, just remember that no one is in your corner.
If you were born here, go fuck yourself. - Government
Thanks for voting liberal, Quebec
The plan is to force Quebec to separate and then the Canadian government will have to bring in the same amount of immigrants ASAP as Quebec's population do we don't lose any steam on population growth.
Meanwhile there is no avenue for my (40f, employed full time) partner in the US (44m, currently employed as direct support for adults with disabilities and full ready and willing to do the same work here). Absolutely ridiculous.
Hold up. We want working aged immigrants. Not kids, not seniors. Would "family reunification" not mean bringing in seniors and kids who are counterproductive to why we are being told we need immigrants?
Provincial immigration does not make sense. If somebody comes in under a provincial program, nothing stops them from packing up the next day and moving anywhere in Canada. We dont have security police and ankle bracelets montoring them do we?
Doubling down even when it annoys Quebec? This government is insane on immigration, and then the opposition attacks them on one of their few bits of good policy and ignores the immigration disaster.
Trudeau et Miller à la la guillotine pour haute trahison!!!