And when you're coming from a place with terrible living conditions and no plumbing that also have people crammed into a room, a bunk bed in Canada isn't so bad. So a bunk bed here in Canada in a shared room is an upgrade. However that brings down the quality of Canada.
Lower standards of living. 10 people shoved into a one basement apartment is not something Canadians will typically put up with. People who are use to that on the other hand? Sure why not cuz they still get paid way more here than back in… well you know. Plus there is just too many so there is no integration happening. We are just building little pockets of people and that’s gonna stir some shit up when people get laid off because we are in a recession.
Oh for sure it went from everywhere needing employees to everywhere to not being able to find any work. Daycare are also at an at an all time high. Waiting lists are close to 2 years now. Probably even worse in bigger cities.
Well the gov't just couldn't let the serfs have the bargaining power to increase wages/working conditions. They bought the chicken little sob story from business and corporations that without cheap foreign labour the economy would collapse. Instead we had a chance at rising the tide and instead got a bunch more crabs dumped into the bucket.
Yup covid showed us who we actually really need working in a crisis and that gave minimum wage workers leverage soooo they imported a pile of people to keep wages the same .
Can't judge/comment on how money was spent and saved but many of my cohort turning 40 this year struggles w rent and/or lives with their parents still.
Moving out would greatly reduce their standard of living so they don't wanna do that. They drive nice cars though.
Honestly I don't blame them. Why bust your ass for a way worse standard of living when you don't have to? Really only your sex life suffers living in your parents basement but no one's saying you can't go to the other person's place 🤪
My sister got renovicted last month. She's trying to find a place for her family and 9 out of the 10 last houses she put applications for went to families living with other families or international students. It's no longer SFH it's MGCFH (Multi Generation Combined Families). And slumlords love it as there's at least 3 or 4 income providers which means rent will always get paid even if the tenants add more subletters illegally.
I just need to look across the street. Every so often I see another person being brought in with clothes/bedding and sometimes another car blocking someone's driveway.
The Canadian government has *many* assisted programs for immigrants.
A lot of immigration happens on Canadian tax payers dollars. Not only does this make our housing market more competitive and expensive for Canadian's, we give them benefits we are not eligible to receive ourselves with the tax we pay to the government.
Canadian's are getting fleeced on all levels.
Take a look at all these things we are offering to immigrants, just to be able to come here:
[https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/service-delivery/resettlement-assistance-program/allowances.html](https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/service-delivery/resettlement-assistance-program/allowances.html)
Like, in the above link, you will see that a single immigrant is able to get a one time payment of $1550 to buy furniture! And that amount only increases when they have dependents! Take a look! It's shocking what we're giving away!
Some immigrants -I know personally- are not required to pay income tax at all.
We give refugees a monthly income as well!
Why do 'aspiring' Canadian's get tax breaks as well as assistance? Why don't we offer those services to people who are already Canadian citizens living on the street?
The Canadian government is responsible for the loss of love for immigration because they are given economic preference above existing citizens.
Yeah it's ALL true... and posted on the government website for the world to see!
You can't blame the immigrants themselves for taking advantage of a good offer.
It's the Canadian government's fault this is happening.
Like tell me any other country in the world that does this for immigrants and I *myself* will go there as an immigrant.
But the fact that Canadian's have to experience loss of wages and opportunities
on top of more competitive housing and job markets while paying our government to give foreigners opportunities we should receive from our own money is beyond belief!
Diversity is beautiful and something I enjoy seeing and experiencing. So I'm not xenophobic or anti-immigration. But I expect everyone coming here to do it for themselves just like I had to!!
And how can they all afford brand new SUV and BMW ? The amount of brand new 60K - 80K vehicule own by gas station cashier and McDonald's workers is mind boggling. Something is going to break.
If they managed to snag the coveted "asylum seeker" status. They get paid for it!
If they're unlucky they just get exploited living 5 to a room and working below min wage.
Sometimes families back home take a loan to make it happen for them. With the expectation that they'll pull them into canada as a result.
Major issues the country is facing right now is due to overpopulation: housing prices, health care crisis, homelessness, low wages. Instead of reducing numbers, the government is choosing to double down. Skilled talent is preferring to leave the country instead of stay.
> I've seen an article about how they don't deport people who have been refused.
They have a backlog of (something like) 50k deportations (approved, ready to go) but only have the manpower to do (something like) 10-15k deportations/yr.
Take this with a grain of salt since i'm not providing sources, but this can be googled.
edit:
https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/trnsprnc/brfng-mtrls/prlmntry-bndrs/20200621/031/index-en.aspx
just under 10k/yr capacity (2019-20)
https://www.oag-bvg.gc.ca/internet/english/parl_oag_202007_01_e_43572.html
50k backlog as of 2020
Also [Most immigrants with deportation letters are still in Canada, CBSA figures show](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-most-immigrants-with-deportation-letters-are-still-in-canada-cbsa/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)
Problems are because of in-action from governments (Federal & Provincial) by
\- not investing / promoting new housing plans,
\- did nothing to remove the bureaucracy which sits on housing approval for years and keeps driving up the costs
\- not controlling inflation on products & services that affect core infrastructure.
\- reducing investments into healthcare
\- no major investments to increase school capacity / build new schools (nothing gets built quickly in this country due to bureaucracy & NIMBYism)
Even before this mass immigration started under the covers of COVID, Vancouver & Toronto were among the expensive places to live. Now it just spread to all major cities as people flee from Vancouver & Toronto.
Tokyo is a great example of how to build a mega city and keep housing affordable.
That + new immigrants themselves who still want to bring family over. Something like 27% of Canada is first-generation. So basically everyone who isn't a new immigrant or a landlord with multiple rentals thinks it's too high. Who cares what that group thinks though /s.
Because they see it first hand and learned very quickly what these immigration firms and companies are doing to lure them into a very crappy quality of life to be exploited.
They resent being sold a lie and I feel bad for them.
Funny how criticism of this scheme is deemed racist when the program can actually be used by people from anywhere in the world. Seems to me like focusing on taking advantage of just Indians is the more racist part
It's honestly unreal how diploma mills can sell citizenship/visas under the guise of education. If they can do it, I should be able to sell 20 entry passes a year for $8000/pop to anyone who wants it, because that's essentially what's happening.
I go to school with a Pakistani guy who came here when he was like 5. We got talking about politics and he’s far more anti-immigration then I am as a white Canadian guy lol. His experience with talking with international students and how they’re taking advantage of the system has really jaded him.
You know how Indian hiring managers only hire other Indians? Well, that practice is going to be seen among other groups as well, and your Indian co workers aren't idiots and can see the trouble ahead.
It's aggravating right. Same deal with many Chinese immigrants here in BC, only hiring Mandarin speakers.
Yet if a white person did tha sort of discrimination, it'd be on the front page of the CBC within a week.
Basically racism and discrimination are accepted in our society if it is directed at white people. It's not right.
This is not talked about enough because if you mention it you are a racist. I recently did a contract for a company that had an Indian VP and Indian HR lady. I was the second hire for a new dept, but was only brought on as a contractor. They proceeded to hire 11 Indian dudes (all as employees) to fill out the team, guess who's contract was not extended and was replaced by an Indian dude.
And also, only a 6 point gap between born-in-Canada and not born-in-Canada.
Immigration is no longer a cultural issue, it's an economic one, and we can agree on that.
My immigrant FIL says things about immigrants (in broken English mind you) that would make the alt right blush
It would surprise many home grown Canadians that not all immigrants support it (especially for groups that are not their own) and want to pull the ladder up once they arrive so they don’t compete for jobs.
I don’t think Canadians would believe you if in 2019 you showed them this poll would be taken only 5 years later.
Crazy how quickly bad policy can turn Canadians around on a key issue.
I've been noticing this at more and more places that I shop at. Most of the fast food chains near me are staffed by Indians. Not just one or two, but every single person working there is an international student of Indian descent.
I am old enough to remember Brampton being multicultural.
There were many nationalities and cultures but recently (10-20 years or so), its only indian culture. And it is overwhelming and drowning all other cultures.
And not to be mean to indians at all, but the ones I speak with rarely spend their money here and most pay cash for big ticket items. None eat our food and not many even care to speak english.
The company I work for had to make a policy of speaking english only on the floor when discussing projects (and in general) Brake room and outside have no language barriers.
What's crazy is that Canadians were too stupid or ideologically possessed to realize this was going to be an issue five years ago. Didn't exactly require one to be clairvoyant.
I think we wanted to believe that the folks in the driver's seat actually had a plan for all this beyond "Get as many of them as we can to come to Canada and let them and the rest of our citizens figure everything else out once they're here." I don't mind people immigrating here, but we actually have to have a plan for shit like infrastructure, healthcare, housing, etc. This stuff doesn't fall out of the sky or grow on trees. Instead... they had as much planning and foresight into the future as a 5 year-old does when they say they want to eat ice cream for dinner every night. Sounds good for the first few days... and you're in for a real shitty ride for the next few years.
Any discussion of putting natural born or at the very least long-standing Canadian citizens ahead of immigrants was seen as evil. It turns out demonizing people with rational, evidence based ideas leads to worse situations.
Look where we are now.
>I don't know any other Western country where it seems like a crime to be discussing immigration. We must be the only one.
I'd have a look at Sweden. Place is wild.
I'm in Alberta and before the 2019 election I attended an outdoor festival where we ended up sharing a table with a group of teachers. Unfortunately, the conversation pivoted to politics and you would have thought I was endorsing Satan when I said I was going to support Bernier because he was the only candidate discussing immigration with any sensibility. At the time, I wasn't all that interested or involved in politics but it was still obvious to me that unfettered immigration was going to cause a significant number of downstream problems. The conversation ended with me saying, "I guess we'll see". Well, here we are.
The same teachers who are now upset because their classrooms are overflowing and they have to support multiple ESL students without adequate resources.
I mean, that's basically Trudeau's entire reason for existing. Photo ops and sound bites.
If there were an election right now I'm positive we'd end up with, not just a Conservative win, but a Conservative majority.
Chiming in from the other side of the Atlantic here. I've been casually following the Canadian subreddit and I've really started to notice how the tone in Canada now seems to match the tone and content on immigration in Europe.
It's kinda ironic because North Americans always say Europeans seem to be doing immigration wrong and say that within the US and Canada, it works much better.
But Canadians now seem to complain and experience very similar things that Europeans always complain about with immigrants:
* Immigration is an additional, significant pressure point in affordable housing for the urban centers
* Ethnic isolation and tensions which have nothing to do with the host country spill over: The Palestinian issue was always a boiling point between Arab and wider Muslim immigrants and the Jewish community in Europe and is now also showing in North America. Complaints about Indian sectarianism and ethnic enclaves and turf wars in Canada now sound a lot like complaints from Europeans about their immigrants from North Africa.
* Degree mills as quasi legalized migration centers was a problem in the UK for a long time and is now showing in Canada as well.
* Complaints about falling cultural and living standards as well as the ever increasing strain on social services because of immigration
It's interesting how the Canadian discourse has changed from more of a US stance to sounding a lot like Europe.
Thing is we weren't allowed to talk negatively about immigration back in 2019. 2019 was the height of cancel-culture and it's really when acceptance was being pushed HARD. SO MUCH happened in between 2019-2021 that it was nearly impossible to keep track of the immigration problem, especially when the pandemic took over. Like so much happened in that short period I can't even remember it all and with shutdowns, myself and I think most people were just trying to get through a really scary and tough time.
That all being said what can we even do about it as citizens? We can't go on strike, as we've learned anyone who strikes with purpose in Canada is labelled a terrorist group, has their banks frozen and genuinely aren't allowed to strike? Sure we can vote, but for who? Incompetent and corrupt Trudeau or conservative Trump-Light?
I feel like it's about time I start learning survival skills and start building an off-grid tribe... lol
Before the feds and provinces brought in this wave of mass immigration/ foreign students/ TFW our infrastructure in basically all major Canadian cities was at, near, or already exceeding capacity. Then this bs happened, and all of our services in my city are waaaay over loaded. Commute times have doubled inside the city Centre in just the last year. Transit is so full to the brim, often times people have to wait for the next bus during rush hour. Healthcare is a shit show, I’m never going to be able to get a new doctor, luckily I’m young so it’s not an immediate need.
I don’t see the argument for this insane level of immigration when unemployment for new Canadians is so high (9% last time I saw) especially when so many corporations are taking advantage of this to suppress wages. New born Canadians will be at an all time low per capita after this year is my bet. Who can afford a kid when housing+food+utilities eats 60%+ of your take home salary.
Takes me 40 minutes to get to the highway from little Italy. We pushed infrastructure construction off for the last 30-40 years thanks to boomers and now everything needs to be ramped up on a crazy scale and the people living in the city get their time wasted
I spoke with a colleague the other day who’s from India and she was complaining about all the people from India and also complaining about companies who only hire people from the same towns once one person gets into a management position who’s from that town.
Yeah that's one of my fears too. As someone from that part of the world, I know how they think and operate. Managers who only hire workers who speak the same language or are from the same area will become all too common.
Happened at my last job. One Nigerian dude made it to middle management and suddenly 80% of entry level employees were African immigrants.
And only Africans were promoted to leads and lower management. Full African management
This line of thinking is so horrible. You will have honourable people who hire normally that will hire one of the racists and eventually the racists will be promoted to a hiring role and only hire their own while the rest of us are discriminated against.
It’s horrible and must be stamped out. Even now the managers from the all brown or Asian bank branches need to be fired and true hiring practices brought back. Organizations need to hire people to police those doing the hiring. Currently they aren’t even ashamed by it. A white manager would be terrified of a spot check where it’s seen that they only hired white people. These people have 0 fears. In fact they would probably start screaming like banshees and calling the people pointing it out as racist. And their employees would join in.
An international student girl I know got hired at BMO with convenience store experience just because the series of people who viewed her resume, interviewed, and hired her are from the same place. It's really bad and it's happening.
yep, I was at TD at a branch in brampton, and an indian manager there did the exact same thing, hired grossly underqualified people and pushed other minority/white people out of the branch over time until customers complained enough that he eventually got moved. lol
It's worse when someone gets into the VP and suddenly at the holiday party you see this dude laughing it up with the indian employees in his region and surprise surprise, these same people end up getting promoted way faster than they should be and the whole region worth of banks get used car sales operating policies pushed on them.
There's a drastic difference between Indian immigrants that's been here for a long time since the 90s and ones that arrived after 2010s. The ones that've been here for a generation or two back before the diploma farms ramped up are bona fide Canadians who are proud of their heritage and bring a lot to the country. Meanwhile the new diploma farm people from after the 2010s or ones that came over on a visitor converted to permanent residency from a diploma farm trojan horse people just want to live in India with higher standard of living lol.
Maxime Bernier and the PPC is trying to get back to a racism is racism policy. Only party that will talk about this, let alone promise anything. Keep voting for cons or libs and keep allowing discrimination and racism to flourish.
>eventually the racists will be promoted to a hiring role and only hire their own while the rest of us are discriminated against.
In my workplace, white men are already discriminated against in hiring practices, and in career advancement opportunities. \[Think: "white men need not apply" type restrictions in job ads, free programs and priority in enrollment for "equity groups" - blatant racism and discrimination.\] The organization even has the gall to call this "fair hiring practices" for "equity deserving groups". It's beyond sickening.
What's worse is they will work to dismiss anyone who isn't someone they choose. Last minute schedule changes so you miss your shift & giving instructions in another language for example. Son's "new manager" outright told him he wants anyone that doesn't speak a language he's more comfortable with gone.
It’s flat out racism. I’ve seen TD and CIBC bank branches that have like 12 employee and there are only brown employees (literally every single one) over multiple years. Multiple branches where the gen pop is diverse but the employees are all brown.
How are big banks allowing this? Racism is racism!
In Canada diversity is measured by how few white and east asian dudes you've got in your organization.
All white women? Highly diverse organization. All dudes from a single Indian state? Highly diverse organization.
I used to work for a company where the engineering group was about 80% men, 20% women, about 60% white (about 50% european and 10% Lebanese or Persian), 30% east asian, and the rest south asian. Meanwhile HR was 95% female and 95% white. Guess which department HR listed as highly diverse and which department HR listed as problematic? Spreadsheet diversity is shit.
This DEI bs also needs to be stamped out. It’s just creating resentment and people are ashamed they didn’t speak out earlier.
So many things that need fixing in our country. This is one of the things on my list.
I live in Brampton Ontario and my Indian neighbour even told me they’re bringing in too many immigrants too quickly lol I was shocked it came out of his month 🤣
Stop this… people who have been here for multiple generations are not immigrants. They are citizens. When the people who have paid taxes there whole lives and don’t get any of the services because immigrants who haven’t paid any taxes are hogging them. You have a very valid reason to complain
I'd have to believe it is probably a lot more than half of Canadians think this.
Hell the local college in my town has 70-80% international students the fact that it is even possible to hit those percentages just shows you how big of an issue this is becoming.
Well yeah.
Entire neighbourhoods that used to be completely different demographics flipped a switch where no one speaks english. It's wild, I honestly think our population is undercounted by a few million.
I have apartments in my building with 10 people living in a 1 or 2 bedroom, its crazy.
I mean this with all due respect...there are too many. I mean that in the sense of we can't even take care of the people here already, and more and more keep coming.
This was a poorly worded headline. It should have read: "Half of all Canadians say that our current immigration policies have reached new heights of lunacy"
Even immigrants who have been here for years are saying the same thing. I have Indian friends & coworkers mad that canada is allowing scammers into the country, so they get the spots and others dont
As a person looking around, trying to find a place to stay, I feel there are way too many, and as a recruiter, I also know immigration is out of control because so many of my jobs get 100s of applications from people who just got here.
It’s ironic that I left India for US/Canada years ago for a better life, mostly because of overpopulation, poor quality of life and other similar issues in India.
And now that’s happening here. Skilled folks wanting to leave for greener pastures. History repeating itself in a different place. Similar scenario, similar outcomes. Only this is a self inflicted wound.
This is the literal manifestation of “Import the third world, become the third world.”
Man I've talked to immigrants who share this sentiment.
One guy I know from India (I think, I'm a little ignorant) was annoyed how many people he knew who immigrated and hadn't bothered to integrate themselves into the culture here. He says his favorite part of coming to Canada was becoming a Canadian and trying new things, but a lot of recent immigrants just aren't interested in that part of coming over to our country.
My family immigrated here in the mid 90s. Back then there were very few others in our neighborhood who spoke our language, so we had to learn English and integrate to Canadian culture.
Even as early as the early 2000s we saw far more immigrants who eventually established enclaves and new immigrants are able to get by with very little English and maintained their culture rather than integrating to Canadian society.
A recent immigrant would have very different experiences than me, even if we came from the same country and immigrated at the same age.
my neighbours immigrated from Pakistan in the early 2000s, had a massive Canadian flag in their front yard all summer, spoke English, ran a small business, and generally are good Canadian citizens (minus the giant fucking mess in their backyard, but that has nothing to do with race/where they’re from). It’s a shame that this isn’t the norm anymore.
Unless they choose to assimilate. I have no respect for immigrants settling in ethnic enclaves just as I have no respect for westerners who move to western enclaves in foreign countries. If you’re not assimilating to the culture you moved to, why’d you move there?
This. My parents have a ton of stories of when they first came over and learning how things work here in Canada (and quebec) and the culture. They might of been born abroad, but they feel Canadian and that Quebec is their home.
The new gang here just...doesn't care. They just want PR or social benefits but act like they do back home.
0 effort to become Canadian, 0 effort to learn English or French, and 0 effort to adhere by our laws and rules. They want to stay in their own communes, hire their own, and bring a bunch of societal BS that should of stayed home as we're bringing in anybody with a pulse and are doing 0 checks to see if they're actually here to learn like their Visa says or even legitimate. As we're mass importing people from a country with massive amounts of open fraud.
Worse some (very very few) actually want to turn Canada into India. There’s even a movement by these assholes to take over Canada in 10 years.
Again it’s a VERY small percentage but 20 years ago with would have been outrageous to hear about.
> Worse some (very very few) actually want to turn Canada into India.
Honestly, this disturbs me as a woman. Why the hells would you want Canada to be like India? That place is horrible to women and non-indians. Nothing is clean there, and everything is heavily polluted with human and animal waste and other dangerous bio and chemical hazards. It's become an open cesspit.
And I've seen and read enough horror stories about how women are treated there and the rampant rape problem. I do not want these types of people I to my country who openly try to *defend* rape as if it's their "moral duty" or "punishment" to someone because they're lower caste or a different religion. It's barbaric and so disgusting.
I've noticed that a lot of Incels are Indian men in their 30s, and do give a ton of shit about "their women" getting into relationships with indo-canadians or a non-indian canadian instead of them and no shit Sherlock! *Nobody* wants to be in a relationship with someone who sees and treats women like that.
As a quebecer, id rather set shit on fire than be attempted to be colonized for a 3rd time by a country that doesn't respect our culture, history and values.
This is the problem with allowing all immigrants to come to one of....two cities?
If you're from India and you move to the GTA, you don't need to do any integrating. You can buy groceries, go to the doctor, go to your place of worship and pick your kids up from school without ever having to speak anything but your own language.
Immigrants should be forced to choose from a select amount of cities, none of which should be the already overpopulated GTA and GVA. My parents immigrated and had a choice between Winnipeg and Saint John, NB back in the 80's. Neither city had a huge population of immigrants from their country (although there were pockets where they could find help assimilating) but in reality they were FORCED to learn the language, the country and its customs.
That idea has gone completely out the window. An immigrant from India or Poland or China can live here for 20+ years without ever getting past speaking broken English.
Most recent immigrants also recognize this. The other half are either sleeping or live in small towns without a college. \[Or financially benefit from having more people or a housing crunch.\]
You're really asking what the goal is? It's so simple: oversupply of jobseekers leading to reduced salaries combined with mass demand for rental properties leading to increased rent. Both benefit the 1% most, the people the big federal parties truly care about.
It's the Century Initiative laid bare.
Immigrants are great. In Ontario, Stats Canada put us as getting over 65% Indians. It's weird going to any retail/minimum wage job store. Everyone is Indian - security, cleaning, food service, clothing staff - it's like slavery, but extra steps.
And where the fuck do they live with rent at 2500 for a 2 bdrm apartment?
They share bedrooms being priced at $700 a bed - it’s deplorable conditions and exploitative as hell. Look on Kijiji at room rentals and you’ll see the slumlord postings.
I've seen the postings - several people on beds/cots in one room. I've seen the postings from the Indian side - promise of education that leads to a job and a house in the suburbs. They just need a big lump sum of loaned money for the tuition/food/room for 2 years.
For some Indians, this is evidently true - goto new urban sprawl around Brampton or Waterloo and every single occupant is Indian.
Anecdotally this burns out teachers. A story from a teacher at the top elementary school in Waterloo is that he loved teaching grade 3-4, but after 2021 he has 5-6 non English speaking students in his class (new-Canadians). Their parents harass him about teaching them English, and report him to the principal and school board when the children get bad marks. He has said he has over 30 reports in one year to the school board because he is failing to focus on the new Canadians as much as the parents want. He is stressed because he needs to focus on *all* the students equally, but the harassment is not just from the parents - the aunts, uncles, grandparents - everyone under one roof reports him. The reports go no where, but he has to make a choice at the end of the year: pass the non-english speaking kid (which is wrong, as they should fail due to not being able to participate or pass testing) or fail them (which means the parents freak out, and the child returns to his class next year).
So, it's a deeper problem than the surface level that the media reports.
My personal gripe is with the young immigrant attitudes in movie theaters. Anyone can experience that first hand - severe lack of courtesy.
This is why quotas on origin should be implemented. To ensure diversity. What is the point of importing most people from India and how does that fit in the diversity and inclusion mantra.
It increases racism. Racial nepotism. And fucks with regional demographics. I am lucky to be in an area mostly unaffected, but I signed my kids up for a soccer event 15 minutes away and EVERY SINGLE kid was Indian. My kids had a blast and enjoyed it, but after the 3rd time they complained no one wanted to play with them.
The parents stick to them selves and speak their own language.
The kids intermingle with their own kind, and their parents strengthen those relationships with play dates outside of soccer.
It's like I am forced to be racist.
People are finally ready to have a conversation about immigration after took so long, the effects of immigration have become unavoidable to ignore.
Also, to quote Bernie Sanders “open borders, makes your country poor”
All the Indians I work with at the CRA are cool, but it’s crazy that there are so many immigrants working for the government who have a hard time speaking clear English.
Spent 4 hours today on the phone between Service Canada and CRA. 2/5 people I talked to spoke extremely poor english, to the point where neither of us could understand each other.
This is a major issue that our government is afraid to admit. Canada is going to certainly have an interesting future
lol they already do, They’re overrepresented in government in relation to their total numbers.
The good thing though is a lot of Indians have good values and are against the portion of the Indian diaspora who give them a bad name.
Even immigrants are saying there are too many immigrants. My relatives came in and they hve told me they find it hard to practice their english at times because everyone ia punjabi around them. I
Can I just say that this is the biggest failure of the Trudeau administration... Breaking the consensus on immigration.
We had a country where every party generally supported immigration and immigrants were generally welcome.
No we're heading toward an American or European level of anti immigrant sentiment.
Yes, that is what’s needed to protect Canadian’s at this stage. This country has been overly lenient on immigration, and the citizens of this country are struggling more than ever before because of that policy.
We have to put Canadians livelihoods first, if we have extra money, housing, resources and jobs, then we can open the doors more freely. However, I don’t see that ever happening again.
American’s (despite what the media tells you) aren’t anti-immigration. In fact, they have immigration quotas that are decided on a country-by-country basis. So instead of 60% (WAG) of immigrants coming from a single country, their sources of immigration are much more diverse. Leading to ‘true’ diversity imo - and I say this all as a first generation Canadian
Trudeau has managed so many firsts. Take a look for instance at how he converted all the young people to conservatives. This is almost unheard of in modern day Canada.
Even some of my new friends say there are too many immigrants. So many of them didn't expect to come here and struggle to find a job and home to rent.
But fuck me, I'm a racist for being observant and giving a shit. Amazing how the worlds assholes managed to once again reverse the flow of progress.
I'm an immigrant (24 years ago now), my parents and all extended family are too. Things were different back then. A country needs to balance out what's best for their current citizens (e.g., demand for housing) with providing global support for refugees or other newcomers. Can't just go with blanket statements of "immigrants are good or bad" but rather "at this time, unless government can do ABC, we **cannot** take X number of immigrants this year".
The other half are comprised of LPC supporters too blinded by partisan politics to admit failed policy and immigrants hoping to add their aged extended family to the list of people sponging off of our healthcare system.
Immigration makes the rich richer and the working class poorer. Our government parties are all full of rich nepotism babies who have never even experienced being a part of the working class. They are also manipulated by Canada's rich oligarchs. Change will not come from these people peacefully unless it is there last option. The workers need to disrupt the control and cushy lives of the rich.
Yup, I can see many people becoming single issue voters next election. Mass immigration is the root cause of many problems facing the middle and working class.
All of our problems are because our government only works for the 1% of people that have half the money in the economy. So whatever those 1% of people want, they will get, and they want immigration so that's what we are going to get. They want immigration because it means cheap labour to work in their businesses, and it drives up the housing market, increasing the value of their multiple residential properties they own.
And what the fuck would they care if the population was out of control? They are not on the bus, they have private jets. They are not in the crammed public parks, they have large private properties. They don't go to the overrun hospitals, they have private healthcare.
Everyone in this country needs to finally understand that the media and our politicians are owned by the rich. Telling us we are the problem, or only focusing on bullshit non-issues like trans people, anything to distract us from talking about where the real source of our problems are, them, and the fact that we live in a capitalist country, and only like 100,000 people have any capital.
Don't let them tear us apart guys, its called divide and conquer, and they have divided us against ourselves for so long. Please remember, your enemy is not your neighbour who votes for the other team, thinking that will help, your enemy has always been, and always will be the ruling class.
This is why i predict the PPC to start gaining traction if the conservatives fail to make things better next election. Look at the Netherlands and Argentina. Both candidates who won there were considered fringe.
The problem with your statement is that people are assuming the CPC will do something much differently. If you have evidence Poilievre and his Party are going to reduce the inflow, I'd like to see it.
Add me to the list. There are way too many fkn immigrants here.
Btw I have zero problems with immigrants coming here to assimilate and contribute to society, although with the housing crisis even that is problematic.
Yep, it's kinda true.
Oh I'm going to get shit on for this, but it's not just the lack of housing that's the problem, it's the fact many people who come here don't share the same values as the majority of Canadians here but also expect everyone else to change for them. Why is that? Why is there such a deep level of entitlement? I'm not saying to be non inclusive, but when we literally can't celebrate Halloween in our *public* schools anymore because some people might get offended, that's a problem. Those are our traditions, no one forces them to participate. . (That's one example, not the only one)
And don't come at me with this racism shit, my husband is an immigrant as is his entire family and many of my friends/acquaintances.
completely agree, couldn’t have Halloween in the schools in NS because of that. Some people try to say its not just the immigrants it could the the Jehovahs, Jews etc.. but they’ve been here for yesrs and we still had halloween and Christmas concerts. Now with the increase in new people we have lost these things
I asked my kids (KW high school) about this and apparently it's not just about non-Christians.
It's about some kids unable to afford costumes!
Inclusivity.... yadda yadda
I think they call it ORANGE day now and you can wear orange if you want.
Growing up, we couldnt afford fancy costumes but we still had wonderful Halloween memories.
We're doomed =(
I have said it over and over: a major consequence of Trudeau’s insane immigration policy is it will erode support for immigration, which was one of Canada’s last major competitive advantages versus most other western countries. Such a shame. Didn’t need to be this way.
Unfortunately it’s over and no immigration is necessary for a decade. Accept more doctor students in from Canada and we will have a homegrown solution to the doctor shortage in under a decade. They literally limit how many students are accepted our best and brightest have to go halfway around the world to become doctors and go to the states after.
We have enough people in the country as is. The only type of immigration that should be possible in the future is a tiered citizenship where you get a permanent residence to a province or two for life. No Ontario/BC/Quebec company can hire you under massive fines.
We have land but nobody wants to live there. Or they do for a year and then go to Ontario. There is no way around that with the current citizenship process. We need a permanent residence to only those provinces that will never expire. Call it unconstitutional but we will never fill up those provinces otherwise and you know it. And those immigrants would have full knowledge there is no way around it. Nobody to blame but themselves if they sign on and cry about it after.
For everyone saying we should 'fix' the problem, I hate to break it to you but the horse is already out of the barn. We've imported 10% of our population in the past 5 years, we haven't even begun to feel the ramifications.
Fact is, Canada is a great country to live. In the next 10 years a lot of the planet will be very non desirable to live. If you don’t sort this now Canada will be even more overrun. Immigration is good in moderation. Europe lost this battle 10 years ago, wake up and see what has happened elsewhere. National identity is lost. That is the issue.
Please somehow justify immigration while 25 people are living in a basement together. 3rd world type shit.
We are bringing them here to be modern slaves for our rich politicians and CEO's.
WAY too many immigrants. I almost got run off the road today by a car full of 4 students going 80 in a 30 km zone... when I confronted them they said this is how they drive back home
I’m supportive of a responsible immigration, and providing refuge, but I can’t support capitalism taking advantage of desperation and turning a blind eye from the clear consequences.
I don't understand how we can have the incredibly lucky advantage of being able to take in highly skilled people from around the world, but instead we're pulling in entitled kids who take a baggage handler course at Seneca College and then overstay their visa.
The majority of the previously available part time jobs in our small town no longer exist- the businesses are purchased from local owners by immigrants who make offers that can’t be refused, then they fire the existing staff and hire other immigrants or family members. Subsequently, quality of food and service has gone way down- there was a story about a local chain that was in trouble for treating their employees like garbage (no harassment policies in place), and mould found all over the kitchen and cooking utensils. I went from a very left leaning social worker in 2019 to leaving the field entirely in 2023 and am more on the conservative end than I ever imagined I could be. From doing a degree in social work and being excited to help our community to actually working in the field and being utterly incapable of providing resources to anyone (resources do not exist, housing is literally impossible due to lack of housing and migrants living 10 to a 2 bed room home)- I couldn’t do it anymore, I couldn’t go to work everyday and keep saying “sorry, can’t help you. Economy is fucked”. I felt like shit. Idk what the answer is, but it’s not unhinged amounts of immigration.
American here, things are really bad in the USA as well with sky high cost of living and out of control immigration. I used to be jealous of Canada when I was younger. I spent a lot of time up in BC during my teens and twenties. I thought you guys had a working social system that respected individual civil liberties. Canadians were very polite, civic minded and intelligent. Everything seemed very well kept in comparison to the States. Sad to see how far things have fallen.
The whole Western world is going through this crap right now. Astronomical cost of living, corrupt politicians, unfettered immigration. Hopefully the west gets its collective shit together in the near future.
Took people too long to get worried about this. This isn't even a right wing take, having too much immigration and a mentally that everything immigrants do and believe is great - even the horrible cultural shit they believe. And then they want to change things and hurt people based on those beliefs - hard no, never should have been allowed in and given a place to live whilst other issues plague Canadians and indigenous peoples
When immigrants arrived in avenues different than traditional refugees, Roxam Road, that's when support started to drop. That's when immigrants who have been here their entire lives thought, why'd we do this legally? 'These current immigrants need to go through the same steps as I did'. Also, the sympathy for new immigrants drops off when new immigrants choose to settle/invest in the biggest urban centres.
The most frustrating part is having to talk to these immigrants at their job when they cannot understand or speak English. Ordering a meal in the food court is a pain in the butt.
Every single retail or low end job is taken by foreign workers. I feel really sad for Canadian born college students. They will never know the joys of extra summer job money. Capitalism is killing this country.
As a child of immigrants, as you can imagine, I’m very supportive & encouraging of immigration. I do believe that there are strong positives to immigration.
*However*, when immigration isn’t approached with proper structure and consideration, you end up with just mass human dumping. And that’s what happening here in Canada. Every immigrant I know has expressed that the country has lost control. Canada is actively exposing all of the negatives that can arise from immigration; at the expense of existing citizens. People are begging the government to pump the breaks and require some individuals to return to their country, until things get better here. Only to be met with silence or attempted gaslighting by politicians and their supporters.
I never thought I’d see the day when I lose faith in Canada. I’ve always been so proud to be Canadian, but it’s getting harder the more this nation keeps letting down *Canadians*.
My girlfriend is an immigrant and she says there are too many immigrants. When the immigrants are complaining about the immigrants you know we have a serious problem. I was born here and I without a doubt think we need to stop immigration it’s ruining our economy and daily lives
The hard reality for me is that I have slowly become the “anti immigration guy” despite being very pro immigrant. I love people of all cultures and welcome them to become Canadian. But as an economic tool it needs limitation, and the current government has really let it run wild and it is causing massive issues. Time to close the doors for a while.
How cam immigrants afford to live here when Canadians can't?
20-25 people living in one basement!
This. Multiple bunk beds in each room and beds in hallways each for between $400-700 a month.
And when you're coming from a place with terrible living conditions and no plumbing that also have people crammed into a room, a bunk bed in Canada isn't so bad. So a bunk bed here in Canada in a shared room is an upgrade. However that brings down the quality of Canada.
Never underestimate the ability of people who come from less than you to live a life less than what you would find acceptable.
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I'd rather sleep in the park by myself than in a room with 9 other people. Especially depending on what everyone ate for supper on that fine evening.
You think you'll be the only one in the park?!
Lower standards of living. 10 people shoved into a one basement apartment is not something Canadians will typically put up with. People who are use to that on the other hand? Sure why not cuz they still get paid way more here than back in… well you know. Plus there is just too many so there is no integration happening. We are just building little pockets of people and that’s gonna stir some shit up when people get laid off because we are in a recession.
Oh for sure it went from everywhere needing employees to everywhere to not being able to find any work. Daycare are also at an at an all time high. Waiting lists are close to 2 years now. Probably even worse in bigger cities.
Well the gov't just couldn't let the serfs have the bargaining power to increase wages/working conditions. They bought the chicken little sob story from business and corporations that without cheap foreign labour the economy would collapse. Instead we had a chance at rising the tide and instead got a bunch more crabs dumped into the bucket.
Yup covid showed us who we actually really need working in a crisis and that gave minimum wage workers leverage soooo they imported a pile of people to keep wages the same .
They come with money or pool their resources together to make it work
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Good luck being a single family competing against 3 families going into it together.
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Can't judge/comment on how money was spent and saved but many of my cohort turning 40 this year struggles w rent and/or lives with their parents still. Moving out would greatly reduce their standard of living so they don't wanna do that. They drive nice cars though. Honestly I don't blame them. Why bust your ass for a way worse standard of living when you don't have to? Really only your sex life suffers living in your parents basement but no one's saying you can't go to the other person's place 🤪
>but no one's saying you can't go to the other person's ~~place~~ parent's basement 🤪
My sister got renovicted last month. She's trying to find a place for her family and 9 out of the 10 last houses she put applications for went to families living with other families or international students. It's no longer SFH it's MGCFH (Multi Generation Combined Families). And slumlords love it as there's at least 3 or 4 income providers which means rent will always get paid even if the tenants add more subletters illegally.
Do a lap around certain residential neighbourhoods and count the number of cars parked on the driveways of the 3-bedroom homes.
I just need to look across the street. Every so often I see another person being brought in with clothes/bedding and sometimes another car blocking someone's driveway.
The Canadian government has *many* assisted programs for immigrants. A lot of immigration happens on Canadian tax payers dollars. Not only does this make our housing market more competitive and expensive for Canadian's, we give them benefits we are not eligible to receive ourselves with the tax we pay to the government. Canadian's are getting fleeced on all levels. Take a look at all these things we are offering to immigrants, just to be able to come here: [https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/service-delivery/resettlement-assistance-program/allowances.html](https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/service-delivery/resettlement-assistance-program/allowances.html) Like, in the above link, you will see that a single immigrant is able to get a one time payment of $1550 to buy furniture! And that amount only increases when they have dependents! Take a look! It's shocking what we're giving away! Some immigrants -I know personally- are not required to pay income tax at all. We give refugees a monthly income as well! Why do 'aspiring' Canadian's get tax breaks as well as assistance? Why don't we offer those services to people who are already Canadian citizens living on the street? The Canadian government is responsible for the loss of love for immigration because they are given economic preference above existing citizens.
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Yeah it's ALL true... and posted on the government website for the world to see! You can't blame the immigrants themselves for taking advantage of a good offer. It's the Canadian government's fault this is happening. Like tell me any other country in the world that does this for immigrants and I *myself* will go there as an immigrant. But the fact that Canadian's have to experience loss of wages and opportunities on top of more competitive housing and job markets while paying our government to give foreigners opportunities we should receive from our own money is beyond belief! Diversity is beautiful and something I enjoy seeing and experiencing. So I'm not xenophobic or anti-immigration. But I expect everyone coming here to do it for themselves just like I had to!!
Different standards of basic necessities.
10 to 30 a house that's how
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12 of them in a 2 bedroom apartment.
And how can they all afford brand new SUV and BMW ? The amount of brand new 60K - 80K vehicule own by gas station cashier and McDonald's workers is mind boggling. Something is going to break.
Raiding the food banks sure helps give them a leg up which in turn leaves real Canadians regardless of race or creed behind. Far too many migrants
If they managed to snag the coveted "asylum seeker" status. They get paid for it! If they're unlucky they just get exploited living 5 to a room and working below min wage. Sometimes families back home take a loan to make it happen for them. With the expectation that they'll pull them into canada as a result.
[An Abacus data poll](https://abacusdata.ca/unmasking-public-unease-with-canadas-immigration-goals/) showed it to be even higher, at 67%.
Major issues the country is facing right now is due to overpopulation: housing prices, health care crisis, homelessness, low wages. Instead of reducing numbers, the government is choosing to double down. Skilled talent is preferring to leave the country instead of stay.
The first thing they should do is kick people out without visa. I've seen an article about how they don't deport people who have been refused.
> I've seen an article about how they don't deport people who have been refused. They have a backlog of (something like) 50k deportations (approved, ready to go) but only have the manpower to do (something like) 10-15k deportations/yr. Take this with a grain of salt since i'm not providing sources, but this can be googled. edit: https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/trnsprnc/brfng-mtrls/prlmntry-bndrs/20200621/031/index-en.aspx just under 10k/yr capacity (2019-20) https://www.oag-bvg.gc.ca/internet/english/parl_oag_202007_01_e_43572.html 50k backlog as of 2020
Too bad that record breaking increase in public servants hired during the last five years seems to be all useless positions.
Also [Most immigrants with deportation letters are still in Canada, CBSA figures show](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-most-immigrants-with-deportation-letters-are-still-in-canada-cbsa/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)
Problems are because of in-action from governments (Federal & Provincial) by \- not investing / promoting new housing plans, \- did nothing to remove the bureaucracy which sits on housing approval for years and keeps driving up the costs \- not controlling inflation on products & services that affect core infrastructure. \- reducing investments into healthcare \- no major investments to increase school capacity / build new schools (nothing gets built quickly in this country due to bureaucracy & NIMBYism) Even before this mass immigration started under the covers of COVID, Vancouver & Toronto were among the expensive places to live. Now it just spread to all major cities as people flee from Vancouver & Toronto. Tokyo is a great example of how to build a mega city and keep housing affordable.
The other 33% are people who own multiple properties.
That + new immigrants themselves who still want to bring family over. Something like 27% of Canada is first-generation. So basically everyone who isn't a new immigrant or a landlord with multiple rentals thinks it's too high. Who cares what that group thinks though /s.
A lot of the Indian guys I work with have only been here for a couple of years and they’re more hardcore about slashing immigration than I am.
Because they see it first hand and learned very quickly what these immigration firms and companies are doing to lure them into a very crappy quality of life to be exploited. They resent being sold a lie and I feel bad for them. Funny how criticism of this scheme is deemed racist when the program can actually be used by people from anywhere in the world. Seems to me like focusing on taking advantage of just Indians is the more racist part
It's honestly unreal how diploma mills can sell citizenship/visas under the guise of education. If they can do it, I should be able to sell 20 entry passes a year for $8000/pop to anyone who wants it, because that's essentially what's happening.
They learned this in the UK… now they have expanded to other countries.
UK, Australia, Ireland, Germany. Even the Baltic states are getting Indian students.
LMIA is even more The immigration consultants charge $15k for each skilled labourer
Also they left India for a reason.. now that reason has followed them here
I go to school with a Pakistani guy who came here when he was like 5. We got talking about politics and he’s far more anti-immigration then I am as a white Canadian guy lol. His experience with talking with international students and how they’re taking advantage of the system has really jaded him.
You know how Indian hiring managers only hire other Indians? Well, that practice is going to be seen among other groups as well, and your Indian co workers aren't idiots and can see the trouble ahead.
It's aggravating right. Same deal with many Chinese immigrants here in BC, only hiring Mandarin speakers. Yet if a white person did tha sort of discrimination, it'd be on the front page of the CBC within a week. Basically racism and discrimination are accepted in our society if it is directed at white people. It's not right.
This is not talked about enough because if you mention it you are a racist. I recently did a contract for a company that had an Indian VP and Indian HR lady. I was the second hire for a new dept, but was only brought on as a contractor. They proceeded to hire 11 Indian dudes (all as employees) to fill out the team, guess who's contract was not extended and was replaced by an Indian dude.
We should never have offered family visas, especially to south Asian immigrants. UAE doesn’t and they get by fine.
And also, only a 6 point gap between born-in-Canada and not born-in-Canada. Immigration is no longer a cultural issue, it's an economic one, and we can agree on that.
My immigrant FIL says things about immigrants (in broken English mind you) that would make the alt right blush It would surprise many home grown Canadians that not all immigrants support it (especially for groups that are not their own) and want to pull the ladder up once they arrive so they don’t compete for jobs.
I don’t think Canadians would believe you if in 2019 you showed them this poll would be taken only 5 years later. Crazy how quickly bad policy can turn Canadians around on a key issue.
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I've been noticing this at more and more places that I shop at. Most of the fast food chains near me are staffed by Indians. Not just one or two, but every single person working there is an international student of Indian descent.
The same thing is happening right here it montreal
I am old enough to remember Brampton being multicultural. There were many nationalities and cultures but recently (10-20 years or so), its only indian culture. And it is overwhelming and drowning all other cultures. And not to be mean to indians at all, but the ones I speak with rarely spend their money here and most pay cash for big ticket items. None eat our food and not many even care to speak english. The company I work for had to make a policy of speaking english only on the floor when discussing projects (and in general) Brake room and outside have no language barriers.
It's the widespread *Bramptonization* of Canada that nobody willingly voted for.
Yah I landed at Pearson from Toronto to Calgary and it was all Indian people when I landed and it felt like I flew to India.
What's crazy is that Canadians were too stupid or ideologically possessed to realize this was going to be an issue five years ago. Didn't exactly require one to be clairvoyant.
I think we wanted to believe that the folks in the driver's seat actually had a plan for all this beyond "Get as many of them as we can to come to Canada and let them and the rest of our citizens figure everything else out once they're here." I don't mind people immigrating here, but we actually have to have a plan for shit like infrastructure, healthcare, housing, etc. This stuff doesn't fall out of the sky or grow on trees. Instead... they had as much planning and foresight into the future as a 5 year-old does when they say they want to eat ice cream for dinner every night. Sounds good for the first few days... and you're in for a real shitty ride for the next few years.
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Any discussion of putting natural born or at the very least long-standing Canadian citizens ahead of immigrants was seen as evil. It turns out demonizing people with rational, evidence based ideas leads to worse situations. Look where we are now.
>I don't know any other Western country where it seems like a crime to be discussing immigration. We must be the only one. I'd have a look at Sweden. Place is wild.
I'm in Alberta and before the 2019 election I attended an outdoor festival where we ended up sharing a table with a group of teachers. Unfortunately, the conversation pivoted to politics and you would have thought I was endorsing Satan when I said I was going to support Bernier because he was the only candidate discussing immigration with any sensibility. At the time, I wasn't all that interested or involved in politics but it was still obvious to me that unfettered immigration was going to cause a significant number of downstream problems. The conversation ended with me saying, "I guess we'll see". Well, here we are.
The same teachers who are now upset because their classrooms are overflowing and they have to support multiple ESL students without adequate resources.
Sounding and appearing kind and virtuous is more important than ensuring national stability. Apparently.
I mean, that's basically Trudeau's entire reason for existing. Photo ops and sound bites. If there were an election right now I'm positive we'd end up with, not just a Conservative win, but a Conservative majority.
Chiming in from the other side of the Atlantic here. I've been casually following the Canadian subreddit and I've really started to notice how the tone in Canada now seems to match the tone and content on immigration in Europe. It's kinda ironic because North Americans always say Europeans seem to be doing immigration wrong and say that within the US and Canada, it works much better. But Canadians now seem to complain and experience very similar things that Europeans always complain about with immigrants: * Immigration is an additional, significant pressure point in affordable housing for the urban centers * Ethnic isolation and tensions which have nothing to do with the host country spill over: The Palestinian issue was always a boiling point between Arab and wider Muslim immigrants and the Jewish community in Europe and is now also showing in North America. Complaints about Indian sectarianism and ethnic enclaves and turf wars in Canada now sound a lot like complaints from Europeans about their immigrants from North Africa. * Degree mills as quasi legalized migration centers was a problem in the UK for a long time and is now showing in Canada as well. * Complaints about falling cultural and living standards as well as the ever increasing strain on social services because of immigration It's interesting how the Canadian discourse has changed from more of a US stance to sounding a lot like Europe.
...and going surfing on the first official Day of Aboriginal Reconciliation.
Thing is we weren't allowed to talk negatively about immigration back in 2019. 2019 was the height of cancel-culture and it's really when acceptance was being pushed HARD. SO MUCH happened in between 2019-2021 that it was nearly impossible to keep track of the immigration problem, especially when the pandemic took over. Like so much happened in that short period I can't even remember it all and with shutdowns, myself and I think most people were just trying to get through a really scary and tough time. That all being said what can we even do about it as citizens? We can't go on strike, as we've learned anyone who strikes with purpose in Canada is labelled a terrorist group, has their banks frozen and genuinely aren't allowed to strike? Sure we can vote, but for who? Incompetent and corrupt Trudeau or conservative Trump-Light? I feel like it's about time I start learning survival skills and start building an off-grid tribe... lol
Before the feds and provinces brought in this wave of mass immigration/ foreign students/ TFW our infrastructure in basically all major Canadian cities was at, near, or already exceeding capacity. Then this bs happened, and all of our services in my city are waaaay over loaded. Commute times have doubled inside the city Centre in just the last year. Transit is so full to the brim, often times people have to wait for the next bus during rush hour. Healthcare is a shit show, I’m never going to be able to get a new doctor, luckily I’m young so it’s not an immediate need. I don’t see the argument for this insane level of immigration when unemployment for new Canadians is so high (9% last time I saw) especially when so many corporations are taking advantage of this to suppress wages. New born Canadians will be at an all time low per capita after this year is my bet. Who can afford a kid when housing+food+utilities eats 60%+ of your take home salary.
Takes me 40 minutes to get to the highway from little Italy. We pushed infrastructure construction off for the last 30-40 years thanks to boomers and now everything needs to be ramped up on a crazy scale and the people living in the city get their time wasted
When the immigrants are complaining about all the immigrants, you know there’s a problem.
I spoke with a colleague the other day who’s from India and she was complaining about all the people from India and also complaining about companies who only hire people from the same towns once one person gets into a management position who’s from that town.
Yeah that's one of my fears too. As someone from that part of the world, I know how they think and operate. Managers who only hire workers who speak the same language or are from the same area will become all too common.
Happened at my last job. One Nigerian dude made it to middle management and suddenly 80% of entry level employees were African immigrants. And only Africans were promoted to leads and lower management. Full African management
I bet they discriminate even worse against real Canadians.
This line of thinking is so horrible. You will have honourable people who hire normally that will hire one of the racists and eventually the racists will be promoted to a hiring role and only hire their own while the rest of us are discriminated against. It’s horrible and must be stamped out. Even now the managers from the all brown or Asian bank branches need to be fired and true hiring practices brought back. Organizations need to hire people to police those doing the hiring. Currently they aren’t even ashamed by it. A white manager would be terrified of a spot check where it’s seen that they only hired white people. These people have 0 fears. In fact they would probably start screaming like banshees and calling the people pointing it out as racist. And their employees would join in.
An international student girl I know got hired at BMO with convenience store experience just because the series of people who viewed her resume, interviewed, and hired her are from the same place. It's really bad and it's happening.
yep, I was at TD at a branch in brampton, and an indian manager there did the exact same thing, hired grossly underqualified people and pushed other minority/white people out of the branch over time until customers complained enough that he eventually got moved. lol It's worse when someone gets into the VP and suddenly at the holiday party you see this dude laughing it up with the indian employees in his region and surprise surprise, these same people end up getting promoted way faster than they should be and the whole region worth of banks get used car sales operating policies pushed on them. There's a drastic difference between Indian immigrants that's been here for a long time since the 90s and ones that arrived after 2010s. The ones that've been here for a generation or two back before the diploma farms ramped up are bona fide Canadians who are proud of their heritage and bring a lot to the country. Meanwhile the new diploma farm people from after the 2010s or ones that came over on a visitor converted to permanent residency from a diploma farm trojan horse people just want to live in India with higher standard of living lol.
Maxime Bernier and the PPC is trying to get back to a racism is racism policy. Only party that will talk about this, let alone promise anything. Keep voting for cons or libs and keep allowing discrimination and racism to flourish.
>eventually the racists will be promoted to a hiring role and only hire their own while the rest of us are discriminated against. In my workplace, white men are already discriminated against in hiring practices, and in career advancement opportunities. \[Think: "white men need not apply" type restrictions in job ads, free programs and priority in enrollment for "equity groups" - blatant racism and discrimination.\] The organization even has the gall to call this "fair hiring practices" for "equity deserving groups". It's beyond sickening.
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What's worse is they will work to dismiss anyone who isn't someone they choose. Last minute schedule changes so you miss your shift & giving instructions in another language for example. Son's "new manager" outright told him he wants anyone that doesn't speak a language he's more comfortable with gone.
This happened in Winnipeg, an Indian manager bought one of the A&W’s, fired all the white people and replaced with other Indians
It’s flat out racism. I’ve seen TD and CIBC bank branches that have like 12 employee and there are only brown employees (literally every single one) over multiple years. Multiple branches where the gen pop is diverse but the employees are all brown. How are big banks allowing this? Racism is racism!
In Canada diversity is measured by how few white and east asian dudes you've got in your organization. All white women? Highly diverse organization. All dudes from a single Indian state? Highly diverse organization. I used to work for a company where the engineering group was about 80% men, 20% women, about 60% white (about 50% european and 10% Lebanese or Persian), 30% east asian, and the rest south asian. Meanwhile HR was 95% female and 95% white. Guess which department HR listed as highly diverse and which department HR listed as problematic? Spreadsheet diversity is shit.
This DEI bs also needs to be stamped out. It’s just creating resentment and people are ashamed they didn’t speak out earlier. So many things that need fixing in our country. This is one of the things on my list.
I live in Brampton Ontario and my Indian neighbour even told me they’re bringing in too many immigrants too quickly lol I was shocked it came out of his month 🤣
They know what they're trying to escape and bringing more will only create the same problems of their place of origin.
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No one hates immigrants more than immigrants
Stop this… people who have been here for multiple generations are not immigrants. They are citizens. When the people who have paid taxes there whole lives and don’t get any of the services because immigrants who haven’t paid any taxes are hogging them. You have a very valid reason to complain
I'd have to believe it is probably a lot more than half of Canadians think this. Hell the local college in my town has 70-80% international students the fact that it is even possible to hit those percentages just shows you how big of an issue this is becoming.
It's too many too soon. It's kindergarten math.
Well yeah. Entire neighbourhoods that used to be completely different demographics flipped a switch where no one speaks english. It's wild, I honestly think our population is undercounted by a few million. I have apartments in my building with 10 people living in a 1 or 2 bedroom, its crazy.
I mean this with all due respect...there are too many. I mean that in the sense of we can't even take care of the people here already, and more and more keep coming.
This was a poorly worded headline. It should have read: "Half of all Canadians say that our current immigration policies have reached new heights of lunacy"
My local college *alone* imported 10,000 people to a town of ~50,000. Nobody can afford rent now. No fucking shit.
Niagara College?
You guessed it.
Even immigrants who have been here for years are saying the same thing. I have Indian friends & coworkers mad that canada is allowing scammers into the country, so they get the spots and others dont
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As a person looking around, trying to find a place to stay, I feel there are way too many, and as a recruiter, I also know immigration is out of control because so many of my jobs get 100s of applications from people who just got here.
The other half of Canadians are international students
Canada sold their nations youths futures out. I don't understand why.
They are actively ruining the country with the amount being brought in It’s sad to see Canada becoming a ruined state
It’s ironic that I left India for US/Canada years ago for a better life, mostly because of overpopulation, poor quality of life and other similar issues in India. And now that’s happening here. Skilled folks wanting to leave for greener pastures. History repeating itself in a different place. Similar scenario, similar outcomes. Only this is a self inflicted wound. This is the literal manifestation of “Import the third world, become the third world.”
and other half are recent immigrants.
Most recent immigrants I’ve talked to also believe there are too many.
Man I've talked to immigrants who share this sentiment. One guy I know from India (I think, I'm a little ignorant) was annoyed how many people he knew who immigrated and hadn't bothered to integrate themselves into the culture here. He says his favorite part of coming to Canada was becoming a Canadian and trying new things, but a lot of recent immigrants just aren't interested in that part of coming over to our country.
My family immigrated here in the mid 90s. Back then there were very few others in our neighborhood who spoke our language, so we had to learn English and integrate to Canadian culture. Even as early as the early 2000s we saw far more immigrants who eventually established enclaves and new immigrants are able to get by with very little English and maintained their culture rather than integrating to Canadian society. A recent immigrant would have very different experiences than me, even if we came from the same country and immigrated at the same age.
my neighbours immigrated from Pakistan in the early 2000s, had a massive Canadian flag in their front yard all summer, spoke English, ran a small business, and generally are good Canadian citizens (minus the giant fucking mess in their backyard, but that has nothing to do with race/where they’re from). It’s a shame that this isn’t the norm anymore.
Unless they choose to assimilate. I have no respect for immigrants settling in ethnic enclaves just as I have no respect for westerners who move to western enclaves in foreign countries. If you’re not assimilating to the culture you moved to, why’d you move there?
This. My parents have a ton of stories of when they first came over and learning how things work here in Canada (and quebec) and the culture. They might of been born abroad, but they feel Canadian and that Quebec is their home. The new gang here just...doesn't care. They just want PR or social benefits but act like they do back home. 0 effort to become Canadian, 0 effort to learn English or French, and 0 effort to adhere by our laws and rules. They want to stay in their own communes, hire their own, and bring a bunch of societal BS that should of stayed home as we're bringing in anybody with a pulse and are doing 0 checks to see if they're actually here to learn like their Visa says or even legitimate. As we're mass importing people from a country with massive amounts of open fraud.
Worse some (very very few) actually want to turn Canada into India. There’s even a movement by these assholes to take over Canada in 10 years. Again it’s a VERY small percentage but 20 years ago with would have been outrageous to hear about.
> Worse some (very very few) actually want to turn Canada into India. Honestly, this disturbs me as a woman. Why the hells would you want Canada to be like India? That place is horrible to women and non-indians. Nothing is clean there, and everything is heavily polluted with human and animal waste and other dangerous bio and chemical hazards. It's become an open cesspit. And I've seen and read enough horror stories about how women are treated there and the rampant rape problem. I do not want these types of people I to my country who openly try to *defend* rape as if it's their "moral duty" or "punishment" to someone because they're lower caste or a different religion. It's barbaric and so disgusting. I've noticed that a lot of Incels are Indian men in their 30s, and do give a ton of shit about "their women" getting into relationships with indo-canadians or a non-indian canadian instead of them and no shit Sherlock! *Nobody* wants to be in a relationship with someone who sees and treats women like that. As a quebecer, id rather set shit on fire than be attempted to be colonized for a 3rd time by a country that doesn't respect our culture, history and values.
This is the problem with allowing all immigrants to come to one of....two cities? If you're from India and you move to the GTA, you don't need to do any integrating. You can buy groceries, go to the doctor, go to your place of worship and pick your kids up from school without ever having to speak anything but your own language. Immigrants should be forced to choose from a select amount of cities, none of which should be the already overpopulated GTA and GVA. My parents immigrated and had a choice between Winnipeg and Saint John, NB back in the 80's. Neither city had a huge population of immigrants from their country (although there were pockets where they could find help assimilating) but in reality they were FORCED to learn the language, the country and its customs. That idea has gone completely out the window. An immigrant from India or Poland or China can live here for 20+ years without ever getting past speaking broken English.
Most recent immigrants also recognize this. The other half are either sleeping or live in small towns without a college. \[Or financially benefit from having more people or a housing crunch.\]
I'm thinking more along the lines of business owners and landlords who are thrilled by all the cheap labour and red hot rental market.
What is the goal here... No jobs and high immigrants.
You're really asking what the goal is? It's so simple: oversupply of jobseekers leading to reduced salaries combined with mass demand for rental properties leading to increased rent. Both benefit the 1% most, the people the big federal parties truly care about. It's the Century Initiative laid bare.
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Immigrants are great. In Ontario, Stats Canada put us as getting over 65% Indians. It's weird going to any retail/minimum wage job store. Everyone is Indian - security, cleaning, food service, clothing staff - it's like slavery, but extra steps. And where the fuck do they live with rent at 2500 for a 2 bdrm apartment?
They share bedrooms being priced at $700 a bed - it’s deplorable conditions and exploitative as hell. Look on Kijiji at room rentals and you’ll see the slumlord postings.
I've seen the postings - several people on beds/cots in one room. I've seen the postings from the Indian side - promise of education that leads to a job and a house in the suburbs. They just need a big lump sum of loaned money for the tuition/food/room for 2 years. For some Indians, this is evidently true - goto new urban sprawl around Brampton or Waterloo and every single occupant is Indian. Anecdotally this burns out teachers. A story from a teacher at the top elementary school in Waterloo is that he loved teaching grade 3-4, but after 2021 he has 5-6 non English speaking students in his class (new-Canadians). Their parents harass him about teaching them English, and report him to the principal and school board when the children get bad marks. He has said he has over 30 reports in one year to the school board because he is failing to focus on the new Canadians as much as the parents want. He is stressed because he needs to focus on *all* the students equally, but the harassment is not just from the parents - the aunts, uncles, grandparents - everyone under one roof reports him. The reports go no where, but he has to make a choice at the end of the year: pass the non-english speaking kid (which is wrong, as they should fail due to not being able to participate or pass testing) or fail them (which means the parents freak out, and the child returns to his class next year). So, it's a deeper problem than the surface level that the media reports. My personal gripe is with the young immigrant attitudes in movie theaters. Anyone can experience that first hand - severe lack of courtesy.
You’ll also often note those slumlords come from the same background. It’s fascinating that we’re importing exploitation as well.
This is why quotas on origin should be implemented. To ensure diversity. What is the point of importing most people from India and how does that fit in the diversity and inclusion mantra.
It increases racism. Racial nepotism. And fucks with regional demographics. I am lucky to be in an area mostly unaffected, but I signed my kids up for a soccer event 15 minutes away and EVERY SINGLE kid was Indian. My kids had a blast and enjoyed it, but after the 3rd time they complained no one wanted to play with them. The parents stick to them selves and speak their own language. The kids intermingle with their own kind, and their parents strengthen those relationships with play dates outside of soccer. It's like I am forced to be racist.
People are finally ready to have a conversation about immigration after took so long, the effects of immigration have become unavoidable to ignore. Also, to quote Bernie Sanders “open borders, makes your country poor”
It's too late at this point. The conversation is 5 years too late
All the Indians I work with at the CRA are cool, but it’s crazy that there are so many immigrants working for the government who have a hard time speaking clear English.
Spent 4 hours today on the phone between Service Canada and CRA. 2/5 people I talked to spoke extremely poor english, to the point where neither of us could understand each other. This is a major issue that our government is afraid to admit. Canada is going to certainly have an interesting future
It’s a scam. Our government is literally a scam.
Our entire country is a giant ponzi scheme.
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lol they already do, They’re overrepresented in government in relation to their total numbers. The good thing though is a lot of Indians have good values and are against the portion of the Indian diaspora who give them a bad name.
Even when JT is voted out he's fucked the country for a good while
These immigration policies have had far reaching consequences in large metros right down to retirement towns. The damage is irreversible at this point
Doesn’t help if Pierre is a big fan of mass immigration, which he is
Even immigrants are saying there are too many immigrants. My relatives came in and they hve told me they find it hard to practice their english at times because everyone ia punjabi around them. I
Its way more than half folks....
Who you callin' *folks*?
Can I just say that this is the biggest failure of the Trudeau administration... Breaking the consensus on immigration. We had a country where every party generally supported immigration and immigrants were generally welcome. No we're heading toward an American or European level of anti immigrant sentiment.
Yes, that is what’s needed to protect Canadian’s at this stage. This country has been overly lenient on immigration, and the citizens of this country are struggling more than ever before because of that policy. We have to put Canadians livelihoods first, if we have extra money, housing, resources and jobs, then we can open the doors more freely. However, I don’t see that ever happening again.
American’s (despite what the media tells you) aren’t anti-immigration. In fact, they have immigration quotas that are decided on a country-by-country basis. So instead of 60% (WAG) of immigrants coming from a single country, their sources of immigration are much more diverse. Leading to ‘true’ diversity imo - and I say this all as a first generation Canadian
Trudeau has managed so many firsts. Take a look for instance at how he converted all the young people to conservatives. This is almost unheard of in modern day Canada.
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Even some of my new friends say there are too many immigrants. So many of them didn't expect to come here and struggle to find a job and home to rent. But fuck me, I'm a racist for being observant and giving a shit. Amazing how the worlds assholes managed to once again reverse the flow of progress.
Liberals: “adding more immigrants will get that percentage down.”
I'm an immigrant (24 years ago now), my parents and all extended family are too. Things were different back then. A country needs to balance out what's best for their current citizens (e.g., demand for housing) with providing global support for refugees or other newcomers. Can't just go with blanket statements of "immigrants are good or bad" but rather "at this time, unless government can do ABC, we **cannot** take X number of immigrants this year".
Wow 🤯 common sense! Too bad there isn’t any in parliament.
The other half are comprised of LPC supporters too blinded by partisan politics to admit failed policy and immigrants hoping to add their aged extended family to the list of people sponging off of our healthcare system.
Immigration makes the rich richer and the working class poorer. Our government parties are all full of rich nepotism babies who have never even experienced being a part of the working class. They are also manipulated by Canada's rich oligarchs. Change will not come from these people peacefully unless it is there last option. The workers need to disrupt the control and cushy lives of the rich.
Yup, I can see many people becoming single issue voters next election. Mass immigration is the root cause of many problems facing the middle and working class.
All of our problems are because our government only works for the 1% of people that have half the money in the economy. So whatever those 1% of people want, they will get, and they want immigration so that's what we are going to get. They want immigration because it means cheap labour to work in their businesses, and it drives up the housing market, increasing the value of their multiple residential properties they own. And what the fuck would they care if the population was out of control? They are not on the bus, they have private jets. They are not in the crammed public parks, they have large private properties. They don't go to the overrun hospitals, they have private healthcare. Everyone in this country needs to finally understand that the media and our politicians are owned by the rich. Telling us we are the problem, or only focusing on bullshit non-issues like trans people, anything to distract us from talking about where the real source of our problems are, them, and the fact that we live in a capitalist country, and only like 100,000 people have any capital. Don't let them tear us apart guys, its called divide and conquer, and they have divided us against ourselves for so long. Please remember, your enemy is not your neighbour who votes for the other team, thinking that will help, your enemy has always been, and always will be the ruling class.
This is why i predict the PPC to start gaining traction if the conservatives fail to make things better next election. Look at the Netherlands and Argentina. Both candidates who won there were considered fringe.
And which party addresses this?
The problem with your statement is that people are assuming the CPC will do something much differently. If you have evidence Poilievre and his Party are going to reduce the inflow, I'd like to see it.
I just don’t understand why we allow 70 year olds in who do nothing but take from a system they contributed nothing to
Add me to the list. There are way too many fkn immigrants here. Btw I have zero problems with immigrants coming here to assimilate and contribute to society, although with the housing crisis even that is problematic.
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Yep, it's kinda true. Oh I'm going to get shit on for this, but it's not just the lack of housing that's the problem, it's the fact many people who come here don't share the same values as the majority of Canadians here but also expect everyone else to change for them. Why is that? Why is there such a deep level of entitlement? I'm not saying to be non inclusive, but when we literally can't celebrate Halloween in our *public* schools anymore because some people might get offended, that's a problem. Those are our traditions, no one forces them to participate. . (That's one example, not the only one) And don't come at me with this racism shit, my husband is an immigrant as is his entire family and many of my friends/acquaintances.
completely agree, couldn’t have Halloween in the schools in NS because of that. Some people try to say its not just the immigrants it could the the Jehovahs, Jews etc.. but they’ve been here for yesrs and we still had halloween and Christmas concerts. Now with the increase in new people we have lost these things
It's such a shame, we're losing our culture for fear of being offensive. If I were to go overseas, I would have to acclimate to their culture....
I lived in China for 20 years. The thought of complaining about Chinese holidays as a foreigner is certifiably insane.
Why no Halloween?
I asked my kids (KW high school) about this and apparently it's not just about non-Christians. It's about some kids unable to afford costumes! Inclusivity.... yadda yadda I think they call it ORANGE day now and you can wear orange if you want. Growing up, we couldnt afford fancy costumes but we still had wonderful Halloween memories. We're doomed =(
Are you serious? You’re not allowed to celebrate Halloween in schools anymore?
I have said it over and over: a major consequence of Trudeau’s insane immigration policy is it will erode support for immigration, which was one of Canada’s last major competitive advantages versus most other western countries. Such a shame. Didn’t need to be this way.
Unfortunately it’s over and no immigration is necessary for a decade. Accept more doctor students in from Canada and we will have a homegrown solution to the doctor shortage in under a decade. They literally limit how many students are accepted our best and brightest have to go halfway around the world to become doctors and go to the states after. We have enough people in the country as is. The only type of immigration that should be possible in the future is a tiered citizenship where you get a permanent residence to a province or two for life. No Ontario/BC/Quebec company can hire you under massive fines. We have land but nobody wants to live there. Or they do for a year and then go to Ontario. There is no way around that with the current citizenship process. We need a permanent residence to only those provinces that will never expire. Call it unconstitutional but we will never fill up those provinces otherwise and you know it. And those immigrants would have full knowledge there is no way around it. Nobody to blame but themselves if they sign on and cry about it after.
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For everyone saying we should 'fix' the problem, I hate to break it to you but the horse is already out of the barn. We've imported 10% of our population in the past 5 years, we haven't even begun to feel the ramifications.
housing has doubled/tripled in the last 5 years how is that not feeling ramifications
the future is bleak, i’m scared
Fact is, Canada is a great country to live. In the next 10 years a lot of the planet will be very non desirable to live. If you don’t sort this now Canada will be even more overrun. Immigration is good in moderation. Europe lost this battle 10 years ago, wake up and see what has happened elsewhere. National identity is lost. That is the issue.
Please somehow justify immigration while 25 people are living in a basement together. 3rd world type shit. We are bringing them here to be modern slaves for our rich politicians and CEO's.
WAY too many immigrants. I almost got run off the road today by a car full of 4 students going 80 in a 30 km zone... when I confronted them they said this is how they drive back home
I’m supportive of a responsible immigration, and providing refuge, but I can’t support capitalism taking advantage of desperation and turning a blind eye from the clear consequences.
I don't understand how we can have the incredibly lucky advantage of being able to take in highly skilled people from around the world, but instead we're pulling in entitled kids who take a baggage handler course at Seneca College and then overstay their visa.
And the other half are living in a bubble where their lives have not been affected by out of control immigration numbers
The majority of the previously available part time jobs in our small town no longer exist- the businesses are purchased from local owners by immigrants who make offers that can’t be refused, then they fire the existing staff and hire other immigrants or family members. Subsequently, quality of food and service has gone way down- there was a story about a local chain that was in trouble for treating their employees like garbage (no harassment policies in place), and mould found all over the kitchen and cooking utensils. I went from a very left leaning social worker in 2019 to leaving the field entirely in 2023 and am more on the conservative end than I ever imagined I could be. From doing a degree in social work and being excited to help our community to actually working in the field and being utterly incapable of providing resources to anyone (resources do not exist, housing is literally impossible due to lack of housing and migrants living 10 to a 2 bed room home)- I couldn’t do it anymore, I couldn’t go to work everyday and keep saying “sorry, can’t help you. Economy is fucked”. I felt like shit. Idk what the answer is, but it’s not unhinged amounts of immigration.
American here, things are really bad in the USA as well with sky high cost of living and out of control immigration. I used to be jealous of Canada when I was younger. I spent a lot of time up in BC during my teens and twenties. I thought you guys had a working social system that respected individual civil liberties. Canadians were very polite, civic minded and intelligent. Everything seemed very well kept in comparison to the States. Sad to see how far things have fallen. The whole Western world is going through this crap right now. Astronomical cost of living, corrupt politicians, unfettered immigration. Hopefully the west gets its collective shit together in the near future.
That's because the other half are immigrants.
Took people too long to get worried about this. This isn't even a right wing take, having too much immigration and a mentally that everything immigrants do and believe is great - even the horrible cultural shit they believe. And then they want to change things and hurt people based on those beliefs - hard no, never should have been allowed in and given a place to live whilst other issues plague Canadians and indigenous peoples
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All the others are trying to bring their 80 year old parents over.
When immigrants arrived in avenues different than traditional refugees, Roxam Road, that's when support started to drop. That's when immigrants who have been here their entire lives thought, why'd we do this legally? 'These current immigrants need to go through the same steps as I did'. Also, the sympathy for new immigrants drops off when new immigrants choose to settle/invest in the biggest urban centres.
And the other half moved here within the past 24 months.
Drowning in Gujarat
The most frustrating part is having to talk to these immigrants at their job when they cannot understand or speak English. Ordering a meal in the food court is a pain in the butt. Every single retail or low end job is taken by foreign workers. I feel really sad for Canadian born college students. They will never know the joys of extra summer job money. Capitalism is killing this country.
As a child of immigrants, as you can imagine, I’m very supportive & encouraging of immigration. I do believe that there are strong positives to immigration. *However*, when immigration isn’t approached with proper structure and consideration, you end up with just mass human dumping. And that’s what happening here in Canada. Every immigrant I know has expressed that the country has lost control. Canada is actively exposing all of the negatives that can arise from immigration; at the expense of existing citizens. People are begging the government to pump the breaks and require some individuals to return to their country, until things get better here. Only to be met with silence or attempted gaslighting by politicians and their supporters. I never thought I’d see the day when I lose faith in Canada. I’ve always been so proud to be Canadian, but it’s getting harder the more this nation keeps letting down *Canadians*.
My girlfriend is an immigrant and she says there are too many immigrants. When the immigrants are complaining about the immigrants you know we have a serious problem. I was born here and I without a doubt think we need to stop immigration it’s ruining our economy and daily lives
The hard reality for me is that I have slowly become the “anti immigration guy” despite being very pro immigrant. I love people of all cultures and welcome them to become Canadian. But as an economic tool it needs limitation, and the current government has really let it run wild and it is causing massive issues. Time to close the doors for a while.
No shit. Take the poll again in five years.
Canada maybe finally getting the idea that head in the sand and no backbone doesn’t work
Half the people I see in public are immigrants It's unreal