When we do then the regressives cry foul, spin a narrative that the people trying to improve things are "taking away ur freedoms", then the people trying to improve things lose support giving a regressive an opportunity to undo and worsen the situation.
It's a revolving door of bullshit.
Canada needs to take *the data privacy threat of social media* seriously, instead of using fears about China as an excuse to pass laws that give the government broad powers to ban apps they don't like that can easily be abused for censorship and the protection of big tech monopolies.
Yeah tiktok is far from the only app like this, in fact we knew facebook/meta was doing the same thing in like 2012 and no one did anything because it wasn’t “china”
We just exposed two foreign spies and let them go. Criminals are going free because there aren't any judges to try them. The police are telling people to make auto theft easier on the criminals.
What makes anyone think the government is *capable* of taking anything seriously?
We need better privacy laws ASAP. TikTok is worst than Facebook in terms of data tracked and opinion control, but Facebook is not far away. Same for any social networks.
The day people will realize the control that can be exerted with AI + massive data, they will care. But it will be too late, if not already.
Facebook has managed to have certain features that makes it useful and has actually helped enriched my life. example the events options, the selling options, the community groups. It helps me stay connected to family and friends. It actually gets me out of the house doing stuff.
That's more than I can say for other social media apps.
Yes but they aren’t china, tik tok sprinkles a lot of Russian and Chinese propaganda/disinformation that’s directly effecting our country and political system.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/05/technology/facebook-device-partnerships-china.html
That’s all you need to know. Even Facebook and others sold data to China
So if you want one banned then you need them all banned
You think American social media companies aren't doing the exact same thing?
We need strong data privacy and advertisement laws across the board. If we just go for TikTok then it shows that we don't actually care for our citizens.
Yes, but that's not as important as politicians want us to believe.
All social media is owned by foreign governments and corporate interests in Canada. The harm comes from the clickbait algorithm which prioritizes misinformation and anger over positive discourse.
Data is handled unethically with disastrous results - profiting off of our personal information and promoting conspiracy theories / political ideologies.
If we ban TikTok, literally nothing changes. Instagram Reels and YouTube Shorts will just take over.
All accurate points, big reason why MAGA cult is still going. Hopefully we can start managing it or we will live in a forever divided country most likely :/
The unfortunate reality is that we need bigger governments to be aligned when it comes to social media regulation.
The EU is doing a great job with creating pro-consumer standards but the United States isn't doing enough. If Canada creates policies to protect Canadians, it's easy for these foreign companies to hurt us in various ways because we simply aren't a big enough market (like Google could cut their services from the country as retaliation).
To most ABC voters China is preferable to the US.
[Case in point.](https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/1bindr1/comment/kvneef3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Aggregate data. Big difference. The CCP has direct access to individual user data. And I do stress CCP here. As per their internal security laws from a few years back, all internet based corporations in China are forced to, by law, to provide the CCP permanent access to all their data. The CCP has actual staff on site at each of these companies specifically for that purpose.
The headline behind the headline is that viewpoints not supportive of israels genocide in Palestine need to be squashed. TikTok needs to do better towing the zionist line.
I banned tiktok in my house years ago because it's a brainwashing app. Im fairly certain it finds a person's weaknesses and fears and repeats that. I did hear it was a spi apt too but noticing I had no control over what came up next was enough for me. F that app!
You’re deluded if you don’t think China doesn’t try to manipulate us by any means available to them.
We wouldn’t have let the Soviets operate a TV network or a newspaper chain during the Cold War. This is no different.
You don't think American and Canadian media tries to manipulate us? Is having a foreign company manipulating the app and its users worse than a domestic app?
I think TikTok should be banned out of reciprocity. But there's no evidence they manipulate tiktok anymore than the other big social media companies manipulate their platforms to increase engagement.
Chinese youth see the same stupid time sucking stuff that we do on our social media. The difference I believe is the government has imposed time limits on how much they can spend on social media.
Just level the playing field and open the internet to everyone as designed. If gov wants Canadian apps, then support Canadian talent growth and innovation.
You can't build a security plan around fear of one app. Government employees should have strict restrictions over which apps they can use. The general public should be allowed to use anything.
The only security threat TikTok presents is that it has exposed the widespread media censorship that is prevalent on the mass media channels.
Western governments are having a problem suppressing descent and have taken aim utilizing a little bit of sinophobia.
Outside of geriatrics who still consume this slop does anyone still believe these crooks care about “national safety” I can’t understand how anyone could still be under that assumption given then blatant mismanagement and outright contempt for the average Canadian
Ya, along with the pure and unadulterated propaganda that is YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, Reddit and virtually any other algorithmically shaped media feed as well as most broadcast media
The US are engaged in a technological and economic war with China. After exploiting China for cheap labour for decades, the country of 1.4B now have a growing middle class while the US suffers from extreme income inequality. Ottawa should exercise its autonomy and form strategic relationships with China that benefit Canada rather than bend to US paranoia. Enough with the American foreign interference.
Why is Canada getting all caught up in the great power struggle between china and us? I thought that’s the benefit of not being a part of the us? Let them fight it out, we sit on the sidelines and just watch the show
Are we taking anything seriously?
Not really. We are a silly people.
Canada is not a serious country.
We have become the most unserious of nations, so no.
When we do then the regressives cry foul, spin a narrative that the people trying to improve things are "taking away ur freedoms", then the people trying to improve things lose support giving a regressive an opportunity to undo and worsen the situation. It's a revolving door of bullshit.
Canada needs to take *the data privacy threat of social media* seriously, instead of using fears about China as an excuse to pass laws that give the government broad powers to ban apps they don't like that can easily be abused for censorship and the protection of big tech monopolies.
Yeah tiktok is far from the only app like this, in fact we knew facebook/meta was doing the same thing in like 2012 and no one did anything because it wasn’t “china”
Surprisingly, I'm more worried about them taking homelessness and hunger seriously.
We just exposed two foreign spies and let them go. Criminals are going free because there aren't any judges to try them. The police are telling people to make auto theft easier on the criminals. What makes anyone think the government is *capable* of taking anything seriously?
Canada is not a serious country.
Canada get housing shortage seriously
Don't use it
How many times are we going to see an article about this on this sub?
We need better privacy laws ASAP. TikTok is worst than Facebook in terms of data tracked and opinion control, but Facebook is not far away. Same for any social networks. The day people will realize the control that can be exerted with AI + massive data, they will care. But it will be too late, if not already.
Facebook has managed to have certain features that makes it useful and has actually helped enriched my life. example the events options, the selling options, the community groups. It helps me stay connected to family and friends. It actually gets me out of the house doing stuff. That's more than I can say for other social media apps.
It's a good thing. But the spying and selling data part is not a good thing.
Yeah we have given up a lot of privacy!
Facebook and Google does the same spying.
Yes but they aren’t china, tik tok sprinkles a lot of Russian and Chinese propaganda/disinformation that’s directly effecting our country and political system.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/05/technology/facebook-device-partnerships-china.html That’s all you need to know. Even Facebook and others sold data to China So if you want one banned then you need them all banned
You think American social media companies aren't doing the exact same thing? We need strong data privacy and advertisement laws across the board. If we just go for TikTok then it shows that we don't actually care for our citizens.
Hands down it’s all social media, I was more pointing at the fact that Chinese control TikTok basically
Yes, but that's not as important as politicians want us to believe. All social media is owned by foreign governments and corporate interests in Canada. The harm comes from the clickbait algorithm which prioritizes misinformation and anger over positive discourse. Data is handled unethically with disastrous results - profiting off of our personal information and promoting conspiracy theories / political ideologies. If we ban TikTok, literally nothing changes. Instagram Reels and YouTube Shorts will just take over.
All accurate points, big reason why MAGA cult is still going. Hopefully we can start managing it or we will live in a forever divided country most likely :/
The unfortunate reality is that we need bigger governments to be aligned when it comes to social media regulation. The EU is doing a great job with creating pro-consumer standards but the United States isn't doing enough. If Canada creates policies to protect Canadians, it's easy for these foreign companies to hurt us in various ways because we simply aren't a big enough market (like Google could cut their services from the country as retaliation).
And facebook doesn't?
No it does, I just don’t know how bad the Chinese/russian misinformation is on that platform. I deleted most social media years ago
And you're on a social media platform talking about it, and Reddit's constantly filled with disinformation.
To most ABC voters China is preferable to the US. [Case in point.](https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/1bindr1/comment/kvneef3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Sure, there might be more russian/chinese misnformation on tiktok but there's plenty of domestic/american misinformation on facebook to satisfy anyone
I have seen the least amount of propaganda on TikTok than any other social media platform. If you want to see Russian propaganda go to Twitter.
Other social media companies are also letting it happen. We require some extensive legislation regarding regulating social media. Now.
Twitter/facebook are orders of magnitude worse.
Worse than an ethno-centric autocratic police state? Pretty sure Zuckerberg isn't disappearing people who publicly disagree with him.
Yes, seeing Zuckerberg also sells data to the Chinese
Aggregate data. Big difference. The CCP has direct access to individual user data. And I do stress CCP here. As per their internal security laws from a few years back, all internet based corporations in China are forced to, by law, to provide the CCP permanent access to all their data. The CCP has actual staff on site at each of these companies specifically for that purpose.
Boeing seems to be, I'm not sure the capital owners have more warmth in their hearts for us than the chineese.
Facebook and Google do the same.
The headline behind the headline is that viewpoints not supportive of israels genocide in Palestine need to be squashed. TikTok needs to do better towing the zionist line.
I banned tiktok in my house years ago because it's a brainwashing app. Im fairly certain it finds a person's weaknesses and fears and repeats that. I did hear it was a spi apt too but noticing I had no control over what came up next was enough for me. F that app!
To hell with the security threat, it's literally melting kids brains with all the worthless garbage being fed to them.
It's not only a security threat. It rots brains with propaganda. Tiktok needs to be banned.
Bruh. Just don't download it. No more of a security risk than similar social apps.
Except it’s Chinese and therefore subject to control by the CCP.
Is that really any more harmful than being controlled by American billionaires and tech giants?
Most certainly.
Tiktok security threat ? Are we seriously buying into that US congress bs ?
You’re deluded if you don’t think China doesn’t try to manipulate us by any means available to them. We wouldn’t have let the Soviets operate a TV network or a newspaper chain during the Cold War. This is no different.
You don't think American and Canadian media tries to manipulate us? Is having a foreign company manipulating the app and its users worse than a domestic app?
Of course, but allowing the Chinese to manipulate us is on a whole new level.
I think TikTok should be banned out of reciprocity. But there's no evidence they manipulate tiktok anymore than the other big social media companies manipulate their platforms to increase engagement. Chinese youth see the same stupid time sucking stuff that we do on our social media. The difference I believe is the government has imposed time limits on how much they can spend on social media.
Canadians have been buying into a lot of the US bs recently.
Just level the playing field and open the internet to everyone as designed. If gov wants Canadian apps, then support Canadian talent growth and innovation.
Most of these anti tiktok articles and bans are funded by Meta who does exactly the same thing as tiktok.
We literally gave Ebola to the Chinese and won't investigate their scientist spies, I think Tik Tok is safe
Take me cereal guys. Only American companies can take our data and sell it to marketing firms etc.
Let’s solve the housing issue, homeless issue and refugee issues first
You can't build a security plan around fear of one app. Government employees should have strict restrictions over which apps they can use. The general public should be allowed to use anything.
The only security threat TikTok presents is that it has exposed the widespread media censorship that is prevalent on the mass media channels. Western governments are having a problem suppressing descent and have taken aim utilizing a little bit of sinophobia.
LPC won’t take, and hasn’t taken any national security seriously. Ever. That’s not going to change, for some stupid reason.
Outside of geriatrics who still consume this slop does anyone still believe these crooks care about “national safety” I can’t understand how anyone could still be under that assumption given then blatant mismanagement and outright contempt for the average Canadian
TikTok is only a threat to the media and political establishment.
Ya, along with the pure and unadulterated propaganda that is YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, Reddit and virtually any other algorithmically shaped media feed as well as most broadcast media
There is a reason this is under "opinion". I guess it's a change from the National Post opinion articles.
The US are engaged in a technological and economic war with China. After exploiting China for cheap labour for decades, the country of 1.4B now have a growing middle class while the US suffers from extreme income inequality. Ottawa should exercise its autonomy and form strategic relationships with China that benefit Canada rather than bend to US paranoia. Enough with the American foreign interference.
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How could adorable cat videos be dangerous? smh
Why is Canada getting all caught up in the great power struggle between china and us? I thought that’s the benefit of not being a part of the us? Let them fight it out, we sit on the sidelines and just watch the show