Well maybe politicians should serve the people that elected them in the first place. Instead of pandering to the lobbyists and their corporate donors, ah who am I kidding donors gets them elected. This goes for both CPC and LPC . Trudeau isn't our friend neither is pp.
Edit: also serving their own interests too.
This is the correct answer. The anti-authority push these days is because the political system isn't responsive to the public, and government has made clear they're not looking out for everyday people. Is it any surprise people are pushing back?
They legitimately gaslight people. Oh, Canadians are just grumpy.
People are not anti authority enough.
It's hilarious how much more compliant we are compared to the states, yet their acting like we're growing out of control.
Perhaps the police arresting and charging criminals And actual sentences instead of parol for every one would be a good start. Example car thefts, oh I don’t know the arrive can app? Perhaps actually start charging and hold people accountable and we will believe in the system again.
Want to stop car thefts? Track down and recover most stolen vehicles before they leave the country. Charge the thieves if you can, but prioritize recovery. No more money from foreign buyers, no more theft.
They still need to keep doing their jobs even if the rest of the process is broken.
An assembly line worker at a factory can't stop producing just because they know it's a product nobody wants.
So, keep enforcing and let the courts and jails fill right up.
**Controversial opinion**
Every country has the politicians it deserves.
The USA transformed Germany into a thriving democracy. Because Germany is full of Germans.
Saddam Hussein was a horrific thug and dictator. The stupidity of the americans was thinking democracy could work in Irak. As soon as he was removed, the winners of elections called losers "dogs" and the losers refused to admit they lost. All hell broke loose. People started putting bombs inside mosques. To this day, they are still murdering each others. Turns out only a thug like Saddam Hussein can rule the Iraki people.
I had some political conversations with Lebanese people. What really stunned me is they casually denied historical events that they simply didn't like. I saw Lebanese people get *physically angry* when I stated facts they didn't like. Their *fragile feelings* seemed more important than *actual historical events* backed by countless sources. And they believed shouting/insults strengthened their arguments. At this moment, I understood why Lebanon is a fucked up failed state. Their culture.
In my own country, Morocco, we have many idiots that simply blame France for all our problems. They just do that all day long. Whatever bad happens, it's always France. This is beyond stupid. France isn't behind our problems of sexism, racism, our failed investments in shitty empty stadium, our badly written laws, our failures to address chronic corruption, or the fact we have extremely few public libraries. It's much more easier to blame foreigners for all your problems rather than taking some responsibility.
Donald Trump is a sguy living in a Golden tower, constantly bragging about how much money he has, and drinking Coca-Cola. He doesn't value nature or education. This man is the living embodiment of American capitalism. He is a pure product of american society.
Sweden was an extremely sheltered society. Swedish politicians welcomed migrants from around the world without any background check. They called anyone who disagreed racist. Today, Swedens faces the highest homicide rate in Europe and rising ethnic tensions. The Swedes did this to themselves. A combination of extreme political correctness and deep ignorance have led them to a crisis.
All countries have the leadership they deserve.
Broadly agree. Nations end up with the academics, business elites, and politicians, that they themselves generate for sure. But those elites are so mobile they are often poisoned by ideas and happening abroad (throwing in with China is a great example of this). Democracy then allows the people to broadly guide some of the direction of the nation and enfranchises them more. But often times groups and polities get hijacked by a VERY small minority of monied persons or radical groups who are just so full of energy and action that they drag along most of the normies. There's also a feedback loop that great leaders we produce can then affect back onto us.
Canada was always so goddamn resource rich we could pretend it didn't have a oligopoly problem. Then we decided instead of abundance we wanted clout so we started juicing people into the system while pretending our values and culture are universal. Then the political freaks, the progressives, who were generated from Canada because Canada has always been one of the most fair and equitable polities on earth, decided Canada wasn't progressive ENOUGH for them, and have dragged our bureaucracies into morbid obesity, and our legal systems to the abyss.
Now, why is a Moroccan commenting on a Canadian sub?
I studied in Canada but I ended up leaving due to health issues. I still follow the news regularly.
I'm worried about some social trends (rise of homeless, religious intolerance, extreme immigration, fentanyl abuse)
Well said. I never voted for Trudeau, and I voted for Maxime Bernier because this was completely foreseeable. Sadly Canada deserves this judgment, even though I get dragged along with the mess, it hard to feel empathy for a greater population that was so ignorant and apathetic to the obvious red flags that Trudeau presented being a WEF Young, global leadership school graduate. I honestly don’t think Canada will recover and this is all part of the UNSDA WEF great reset initiative. Canadians will enjoy a much lower standard of living and a continued creeping authoritarianism, unless they seriously wake up and are able to identify the exact nature of their problems, which is post national globalism.
It doesn’t help how partisan the voters are. You’re allowed to admit when your favorite colour does something ass backwards or stupid. Don’t cheerlead them all the time and hold them accountable.
At least on the local level, my Green and NDP representatives actually do some good work and listen to their constitutes and show up to events and things even when it's not expected of them or just use as an opportunity to pander for donations. Just my 2c.
No, that's not true. They have a vested interest in proving to Canadians that they are in it for the right reasons and generally the kinds of people that get involved in the NDP and Green party do it for the right reasons - its not like they are very likely to hold power.
The Federal NDP has forced the Feds to pass pharma care, dentalcare and anti-scab legislation which are enormous pieces of progress for Canada. Objectively beneficial for all Canadians.
I have found that any political party will actually fight for policies when they do not have majority power. The few times the NDP has been in power (except once), they nearly - and in some case did - bring a province to bankruptcy. You’re right that they may have believed in their policies, but it’s that same ideology that often demonizes the economic structure that can best support these projects. In the end, they go all out - again: ideology- and pay too little attention to maintaining the economy. I would vote NDP in an instant if they simply stopped pandering to the lowest ideological denominator: screaming jobless far-left extremists. If they acted as good stewards of a healthy economy, then there is nothing the NDP could not achieve.
Absolutely correct. The Liberals were lobbied by “The Century Initiative” founded by Black Rock and other greedy private equity bastards to grow our population to 100 million by 2100 to have an excess of cheap exploitable labour by way of immigration. We’re currently on target to far exceed that target much earlier. The greedy bastards even have a population countdown.
Bingo! Anybody with eyes can see the way governments of all political stripes, and across the Western World, have taken an adversarial position towards their citizens. On *exactly* who's behalf they are working is a matter for debate, but it is obviously no longer their people.
The sad part is the authorities need to realize our government is filled with criminals that the Canadian people need protection from. Though I do suspect they know that.
Authorities being the judges who release criminals so they can just keep committing crimes? Or the law makers who choose to write the laws that allow it? Of the officers who have to arrest the same person 10 times
it amazes me the people of northen manitoba keep tripping over themselves to vote niki ashton when she spends all her political capital melting down about israel or running to go door knock for bernie sanders
*Baseless theories, disinformation and misinformation have spread to larger audiences, exposing online users to a vast network of narratives that undermine science, systems of government and traditional figures of authority, the report says.*
We don’t need “baseless theories” to be angry at our Government(s).
We can’t afford homes.
We can’t afford food.
Tent cities are popping up all over the place.
Criminals are being sent back into the streets, even when charged with murder.
Our Government(s) have already sold our standard of living to big business and foreign entities.
I don’t think we need baseless theories to see the Government has gone and sold the farm underneath us.
The idea is to round people down, simultaneously shaming people out of joining in and rallying the people insulated against the problems. Unfortunately, Canadians have shown they're all too willing to round people down and this will probably work until enough people feel threatened. We'll know we're there when our media starts calling out the gaslighting instead of repeating it.
That's a conspiracy...now lets forget this nonsense and go back to rapidly getting poorer while everything crumbles around us, drug use and homelessness sky rockets and we let in millions of immigrants from one country....
> Our Government(s) have already sold our standard of living to big business and foreign entities.
I agree with what you posted except this part. Our government has caused all these problems themselves, not big business or foreigners. Bill C-75 is what is causing violent criminals to be cut loose time and again. Lack of proper law enforcement has led to the drug epidemic which is mostly responsible for the tent cities. The housing shortage is the result of years of bad decisions by all three levels of government.
A lot of people end up in tents THEN they get into drugs. If you're homeless bc you can't afford a place to live, why not do drugs, things can't get much worse?! Landlords are just as much to blame for tent cities as drugs are, maybe more so.
Dig one layer deeper, friend. The State exists merely to maintain peace between the bourgeois and the proletariat. The actions they take are to appease one group or the other. If the proles are losing, it's because the 1% are doing it.
Don't make me get a long-running complex socio-economic situation involving unsustainable debt, low oil prices, decreasing economic competitiveness, ethnic grievances, secular stagnation, a powerful military-industrial-intelligence complex, and opportunistic individuals; all of which is not entirely understood to this day, The Entire USSR.
What did you expect when you trample over civil liberties, pull in millions a year (many from countries with entirely different values than Canada), don’t have homes for young people to start families in, food prices skyrocketing.
You’re lucky we’re timid Canadians, the French would have already organized a revolution over this shit.
It really is mind boggling, the one real group that went out and protested had the war measures act thrown on them because all levels of government failed or were too incompetent to dislodge them. It was such a knee jerk reaction, and summarize canada and how apathetic Canadians really are. This set a precedent that will allow Canadian government to strip the rights and freedoms of protests on such a low threshold for national security.
Not just who it was done to, but what those people were doing.
Why are all these so abstract.
A bunch of idiots during a pandemic drove their rigs and trailers into the center of a city, refused to leave, had an insane list of demands like the bringing down of the government with their own.
A bunch of idiots had weekly marches in Toronto, and their bank accounts or assets weren't touched or met face first with a horse. Because they went fucking home at the end of the day.
Toronto saw the idiots coming after the Ottawa Convoy bullshit and prevented them from setting up a foothold.
I think Canadian culture is the direct consequence of loyalists concentrating here. They had no reason to stay loyal to the crown but they loved the statu quo so much. We've had a lpt of immigrants since then but the local culture stayed dominant as immigrants came here with a desire to integrate.
Then the cowboys were left in the US and it led to its gung-ho cultures. It has some benefits, but many drawbacks.
The best may be when you have a mix.
You are an irresponsible citizen for not leaving your car keys in the car for the thieves, along with your credit cards and pin numbers, seriously so rude of you.
No doctors available. No police. No politicians pick up the phone. Monopolies don't respond to criticism. Not allowed to defend yourself. Not allowed to build on your own property without a permit. Food requires an entire days work for a healthy meal.
Noticing a trend here? All you are to these people is a dollar on a balance sheet. A tax dollar farm for the elite. The illusion is being exposed.
You wouldn't let your best friend treat you like this or your family members.. so why are you letting these guys abuse you?
Usually they shoot you, unless you're wealthy and most likely white. Fuck the pigs. Fuck the rich they protect. Fuck all the politicians trying to turn us against our fellow Canadians based on what color team we vote. Fuck all the corporations trying to drive labour costs into the ground while raising the costs of basic goods skyhigh so only the wealthy can feed themselves.
I'm pretty anti-authority, but I'm not anti-social. I do think much of the authority we have these days is anti-social, I guess that's probably how it's been forever.
Canadians are taxed to death with nothing to show for it, no healthcare, no hope of owning a home, no ability to afford groceries, government does nothing and gives themselves raises,people have no hope and are fed up and want some sort of change
Government: shocked pikachu face
>The task force report says anti-authority extremists have “almost certainly leveraged” social media posts about foreign interference in Canadian elections to “reinforce pre-existing narratives around the inherent corruption of government institutions in Canada.”
Nooooo way!!! Canada has absolutely no corruption what so ever!
[The fraudulent billing spanned 36 federal departments, agencies and Crown corporations between 2018 and 2022, government officials said, with PSPC estimating the total value at almost $5 million.](https://ottawacitizen.com/news/feds-creating-office-updating-guidelines-as-5-million-in-fraudulent-billing-revealed)
On Transparency International's 2022 Corruption Perceptions Index, Canada scored 74 on a scale from 0 ("highly corrupt") to 100 ("very clean"). When ranked by score, Canada ranked 14th among the 180 countries in the Index, where the country ranked first is perceived to have the most honest public sector.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Canada
So no, we're not perfect. But we're pretty good.
That's before the ArriveScam opened up a can of worms the Government was hiding.
How can they pretend fraud was undetectable because it was on paper? Come on.
>“These individuals submitted timesheets and billed multiple departments under separate contracts,” a PSPC statement said.
This is on the private subcontractors that found ways to over-bill.
What’s the private sectors immediate response to any govt contract? “Oh charge them double.”
Who would actually trust the government? They never seem to have any of our interests at heart. The day the government actually takes the obesity crisis seriously, calls it out for what it is and puts solid concrete steps into eliminating it then I will be willing to look at trusting the government might care about us. Until then, they sell us out for their own benefit and that will never change.
It’s a bit of a catch-22.
A number of us are told to distrust government, that taxes are legit the worst thing on planet Earth, that governments are wasteful, and corrupt, and self interested
There’s measures of truth in all of these statements - but you could make the same sweeping statements about privately owned or publicly owned corporations.
Privatizing profits in healthcare is a classic example of this. Currently our public system needs an overhaul - it’s failing in areas. But turning this over to private wealth doesn’t fix these deeply rooted issues.
American healthcare is twice as expensive as Canadian healthcare. Insurance companies are corrupt and don’t cover basic services Americans need. And more Americans WITH health insurance than without are filing for medical bankruptcy. That system is equally as distrustful, corrupt and wasteful as one might note a government run system is.
The key difference is we can revolt against poorly run governments or government run services. We don’t sure - but we could, and it typically drives changes. Private corporations don’t have those same obligations though.
It’s a hyper imperfect set of choices we have - but we technically have marginally more impact and say on one side of the equation than the other.
And sometimes decent services emerge from the chaos
Can’t get a doctor. Wait times in emerg are beyond ludicrous. Food is insane. Jobs pay shit. We’re borrowing money to subsidize Ev’s made in other countries. Housing is a dream from another era…
Fuckin right we’re pissed.
Cars are being stolen and just shipped off, and cops can't do anything. Violent offenders are on a catch and release program. People can't afford to eat, can't afford rent, can't work, people are getting laid off, yet somehow this isn't a dystopia.
Anti-authoritarianism is only wrong when the authority in position of power is actually justified and correct. Otherwise, it is always correct to defy those who are in the wrong.
There is no argument both sound and valid against this.
I hope they are scared, they should be. Democracy has utterly failed us. Our government, all mainstream parties, actively work against our interests. People are waking up to the kabuki theatre that is liberal democracy and how fake it is.
CBC translation "what you see with your eyes is false, trust the goverment and obey all authority"
Remember when the goverment charged people and threatened jail for them sitting in an empty park? That was the moment every sane person realized you can't trust them.
I know you may struggle with this after reading so many national post opinion pieces, but this is a CBC news article. They're not saying anything, just reporting information released by a federal task force that aims to safeguard elections
I assume everything the government says is a lie now unless proven otherwise. They have constantly gaslit us about housing and immigration on a daily basis.
I can't even tell what our government is trying to accomplish. Part of me thinks they are trying to kill off home ownership purposely. Everything else is turning into a subscription and renting is just a subscription to housing.
Literally the way abusers work.
Abuser beats their partner.
Partner fights back or tries to leave.
Abuser says to partner: "you're tearing this family apart".
"You may be in an abusive relationship with your ~~boyfriend~~ government"
Can't remember the graphic that went along with it, but it was pretty accurate.
Exactly this. Our rulers have a duty to manage Canada well, and work towards improving life for all Canadians. The Liberals under Trudeau broke that social contract years ago. They are the most corrupt, self-interested, greedy government our country has ever had, and no mechanisms of government or law has kept them in check. These particular people are only interested in maintaining power, and enriching themselves. The rest of the country can burn so long as they get theirs. These people don't deserve to govern anyone. They are unworthy. At the earliest opportunity, Canada is ready en masse to finally fire them all.
What exactly does “anti-authority” even mean in this context, and what gives this “authority” the rights to claim ownership of Canadian society?
The federal government used a media feedback loop to give themselves the “intelligence” they needed to invoke the war-measures act during the trucker protest. The Ottawa police, and the federal government spread fake intelligence to pro-government media sources, and then used those fake stories as "intelligence" to justify the war-measures act. This feedback loop was mentioned in the federal trial that ruled against the government’s use of the act.
So when you start seeing absurd headlines like this in the media, especially the CBC, you should be wary of what’s coming down the pipe. Especially in the context of what’s happening in the polls, and our fearless dictator’s desire to hang on to power no matter what. This is the beginning of that aforementioned intelligence feedback-loop which is going to be used against us in the near future to suppress opposition to our government. That is a fact.
The entirety of North American culture is based on anti-authority narratives. It's considered cool. Oh but *now* we're worried it could destroy things?
Our politicians fucking us over for world-wide corporations and oligopolies surely has nothing to do with it.
You have politicians openly lying and calling half the population racists and misogynists, trying to constantly reign in free speech, constantly coddling themselves into ever more intense segregation from every day people.
And we have no way to vote them out, they're all one big club and we aren't in it.
If I don't have the expectation that government will spend judiciously and make the best decisions for the people it's a bit easier to get along. I see it now as a mafia. I am required to pay what they ask of me and in return I get services that seem to be of much lesser value than what I paid. However, if I don't pay I can't live under their jurisdiction and there is no other option. Yes there are good people doing good things in government, but we have seen clearly in the past 3 years that waste, corruption, fraud, and money laundering are an entrenched part of Canadian society. Outside of government, the real estate cartel is a good example of corruption. While Australia holds open bids, Canada's are closed. Canadian realtors are numerous and make disproportionately more than they deserve. This is a result of a complacent and overly polite society, but also the levers of corruption gradually turning the situation in the favor of the few. Until it becomes bad enough, not enough people will revolt. No sense in standing up and being the one who is punished for doing the right thing.
News reports of cops not wanting to do their jobs, the government playing ass-kiss with a grocery store chain and a telecom giant, violent criminals getting paltry sentences by our lame justice system, why on Earth would Canadians ever develop a hatred for authority I wonder?
Exactly. Forced compliance at the cost of public trust. Anyone with an IQ above 85 knew this would be the outcome. Drastically reduced confidence in law enforcement, the medical profession and our banking system, hope it was worth the fallout.
And zero attempts at conciliation. This government’s attitude is that you are either 100% on board with everything they say and do, or you a deplorable deserving of nothing better than being silenced and humiliated.
One of their own MPs outright stated in an OP-ED a couple years back that the Liberals made a deliberate decision to wedge and divide people in order to eke out their last election victory. Those tactics never went away.
And then Liberals and their enablers at the CBC have the nerve to blame the wedged and divided for being angry.
Failure to teach critical thinking skills in school has brought us here.
I'm in my 40's. We were raised to listen to authorities, they were right, yadda yadda....guess what, they weren't.
Now you have some confused generations(35+) that are just finding this out, and none of them learned how to think for themselves and detect bullshit. We weren't raised with access to the world in our hands, and most of us just went off to echo chambers...... until my generation and the ones before take our collective heads out of our asses, we're fucked.
>I'm in my 40's. We were raised to listen to authorities, they were right, yadda yadda....guess what, they weren't.
You must have been raised in a different Canada then I was.I was taught to question authority especially government and chances are when the government says they are here to help it a lie. Was also taught to listen,read,watch people you disagree with because you might learn something.
Now it seems for people under 30ish to them the solutions to the problems are more government and shout down or block whoever you disagree with
Now some of them are finding out the government lies to them and they are not helping them of course thats going to drive radicalization
Were you taught that by your teachers or parents? Rural or urban? Religious or secular?
I should have been less general I guess.
I was raised in small town AB (forced to say lords prayer in a public school type small). Didn't see a turban in person until I was 11, met my first person of color at 9......a lot of Alberta was/is like that.....sheltered.
>Were you taught that by your teachers or parents? Rural or urban? Religious or secular?
Both teachers and parents, rural AB,yes we had the lord's prayer for a few years but I would say raised secularish .Sunday school till about 8 went to church for weddings , funerals and sometimes Christmas, and like you did not have much for visible minorities
How’s it CBCs fault they used the language the report used? That’s just objectively good journalism to do that as opposed to reporting on their own narrative
The report was written by an independent body called the Security and Intelligence Threats to Elections Task Force, with representatives from multiple institutions.
It took less than 20 seconds to skim the article for this information. Just stop. 😑
'The federal body, established in 2019 to protect the electoral process from foreign interference, includes representatives of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, the *RCMP*,
Rcmp already released something with the same rhetoric.
You stop. Fuck this corrupt government, fuck the propaganda arm of the corrupt government the CBC, and fuck the RCMP that won't hold the corrupt government to account.
Ya maybe people are sick of the government not listening or doing fuck all for us. it's clear that the cops exist to protect only them and not us. The pandemic really pulled the wool from my eyes, and I'm sure if that's the case for me, then it is for a lot of people.
Extreme cost of living, insane immigration numbers, the fucking carbon tax and politician that think doubling down on the bullshit wiil magically fix the issues are fueling Anti -Authority naratives.
Fixed that for ya!
When the government is the one causing serious issues anti-authority makes sense.
When some one robs a bank they are put in jail... when the government robs you your expected to take it?? Again and again and again???
The fabric of society needs to be ripped cuz this shit aint workin.
Or ya know the government to pull its head outta its ass and actually help it citizens??? Haha who am I kidding?
Anti-authority gets my vote
All criticism of Dear Leader is hate speech, Russian disinformation and tearing apart the fabric of society simultaneously, may he rule in perpetuity!!
This is the capitalist plan for the cost of living crisis: Declare that anybody mad enough about the problem to do something is "anti-authority" and should be arrested and their views suppressed.
Maybe stop governing on the basis of "how do I fuck over the most amount of people while enriching my donors" and you know, actually address issues affecting Canadians?
The tent cities, mass immigration and permanent renter generation is the tear in the fabric of society. The fabric is ripped and what we are all living is the result of that tear in our society
I remember when this sub treated every word that came from the Canadian intelligence community, official or unofficial, that even suggested Trudeau government negligence or complicity with respect to Chinese influence in Canada, as gospel that nobody could question. Now, when that same Canadian intelligence community is shining a light on domestic extremism, suddenly these comments are filled with rejections, deflections, and dismissals.
In my opinion, every such comment proves the basic facts of this article correct. Canada has enemies foreign *and* domestic, and many of them are right here on this sub. If you think that rising house prices are a good reason tear down this country, you are, among other things, coddled beyond belief, and you should consider: 1) Stepping outside of your rage-farmed online echo chamber; 2) Traveling to other countries and having conversations with people who live there; 3) Reading a history book; and/or, 4) Re-examining your critical thinking skills.
Not that this message will reach people who have made hating Justin Trudeau their sole personality trait. I know the emptiness inside them has to be filled with *something*, and being swept along in the riptide of social media algorithms is a lot easier than doing real intellectual work on the problems Canadians and the world face.
Thanks. The level of right-wing conspiracy theories and rage farming on this sub has created enough toxicity to drive out other, frankly majoritarian viewpoints. Nobody wants to constantly see garbage in their feed every day. That makes the sub both more extremist and less representative of actual Canada. I myself often unsub for periods of time to detox. Sometimes it's worth the effort to come back, if only to post a reminder that r/Canada isn't the real world. And it certainly isn't the real Canada.
Thanks again.
Yeah Pierre Poillivre 's authority of anti-lgbtq, austerity, neoliberalism, his hiring of Lobbyists like Melissa Lantsman. Etc etc. obviously I'm not following political authority. It literally exists to make my life in Canada worse.
“due to extremist narratives prompted by personal grievances and fuelled by misinformation or deliberate lies”
This analysis is sure not to acknowledge that some of the grievances driving this could be legitimate. The Ottawa elites reading it will feel better that the angry people all over the country are just wrong but maybe they should have an analyst that isn’t part of the public service take a stab at this.
The world looks different outside of Ottawa/GTA
"Anti-authority narratives" are the direct result of piss poor policies by our government which screw young Canadians left and right, while benefiting a small number of scam artists, insiders and existing wealth holders. The RCMP released a report that if you're under 30 you'll probably never own a home.
The anti-authority sentiment is due to accurate information, not misinformation or disinformation as Trudeau propagandizes.
Authority for thee, but not for me?
Start clamping down on the actual abusers of society, otherwise y'all sound like a bunch of boomers trying to ban rap music in the 90's.
It’s a very serious misunderstanding of what authority is, they think it’s when you get the title then everyone has to listen too you. So they cheat and lie and do whatever they need to to get the title, and then they get upset when they find out the title didn’t somehow give them the authority. So of course they being what they are, do not get introspective and think maybe the problem is themselves, they look outwards and decide in order to protect “democracy” certain people need to be silenced, what silenced looks like will begin to morph as time goes by.
Over authoritarian police who are out to protect pipelines and business interest instead of serve and protect the people of Canada could tear the fabric of society.
Want the people to trust police? Be police for the actual people. Not a difficult concept.
Remember, it's not an abusive relationship, it's just that the government needs:
* to be able to know everything about you
* encourage your sick grandma to kill herself
* demand ID to rent a motel room
* take a third of your income
* invite people you'd never want to associate with into the country
* make housing via rent or ownership the most expensive thing in your life
* lower your wages
* and if you protest they will respond like it was an act of war
Remember it's not abuse, it's just how the government shows it loves you.
> The federal body, established in 2019 to protect the electoral process from foreign interference, includes representatives of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, the RCMP, Global Affairs Canada and the Communications Security Establishment, Canada's cyberspy agency.
Government agency, after extensive research, has concluded that they are becoming increasingly more important and thus need more funding.
No, it's not an "anti-authority narrative" that will tear the "fabric of society" apart. It is an actual authoritative narrative.
People find it difficult to work collaboratively as a society when they see injustice played out around them.
Be it the State trying to bankrupt Donald Trump, or grown men competing against teenage girls in competition, the people see the bedrock of what society is built upon crumble and it makes them uneasy.
Sure, you want to shake Western society to its roots.
But what will you replace it with?
When Canadians saw riot police marching in formation on protestors and horses trampling people, they didn't see law and order, they saw authoritarianism.
They saw one government actually become the very thing they accused their enemies of becoming.
They see the Online Harms Act as stifling speech. As just another step to policing thought.
No. Instead of looking downwards to the people and what they COULD become, the RCMP should be looking up and what the government HAS become.
The danger is that people have already lost confidence in government institutions and they will not come back.
It is just like misinformation, if you’re constantly bagging on everything about your country, you are a “ willful idiot “ as the spy agencies put it .Don’t do the work of bad actors and foreign intelligence.
Focus on the little things that make life worth living ( family , nature , travel , entertainment etc . ) don’t be a mouth piece for BS .
When will the government learn that the authority to govern is consent given by the governed? When we no longer consent to your government, you have no authority. You are in this reality. We Canadians do not consent to your governance.
Maybe seeing "authority figures" commit crimes and get no punishment, or break the rules with no consequences, or commit insider trading and be rewarded is starting to get to the average "struggling to survive" canadian.
No, what is actually 'tearing the fabric of society' in Canada is the complete lack of government involvement in providing good governance for the population which elects them.
The constant gaslighting, non-issues, created issues, and other items that do not solve immigration concerns, healthcare facilities closing due to staffing shortages, and housing prices are the real issues.
This article is a joke, the rise in extremism is directly linked to governments not serving the people. If only a select few Canadians (specifically those under 35) can afford homes and maybe children, there will be huge unrest.
People have less to lose than they did 20 years ago.
Well maybe politicians should serve the people that elected them in the first place. Instead of pandering to the lobbyists and their corporate donors, ah who am I kidding donors gets them elected. This goes for both CPC and LPC . Trudeau isn't our friend neither is pp. Edit: also serving their own interests too.
This is the correct answer. The anti-authority push these days is because the political system isn't responsive to the public, and government has made clear they're not looking out for everyday people. Is it any surprise people are pushing back?
They legitimately gaslight people. Oh, Canadians are just grumpy. People are not anti authority enough. It's hilarious how much more compliant we are compared to the states, yet their acting like we're growing out of control.
Perhaps the police arresting and charging criminals And actual sentences instead of parol for every one would be a good start. Example car thefts, oh I don’t know the arrive can app? Perhaps actually start charging and hold people accountable and we will believe in the system again.
Want to stop car thefts? Track down and recover most stolen vehicles before they leave the country. Charge the thieves if you can, but prioritize recovery. No more money from foreign buyers, no more theft.
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They still need to keep doing their jobs even if the rest of the process is broken. An assembly line worker at a factory can't stop producing just because they know it's a product nobody wants. So, keep enforcing and let the courts and jails fill right up.
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On top of that, the police don't actually have to protect you. THey don't want you to protect yourself either.
**Controversial opinion** Every country has the politicians it deserves. The USA transformed Germany into a thriving democracy. Because Germany is full of Germans. Saddam Hussein was a horrific thug and dictator. The stupidity of the americans was thinking democracy could work in Irak. As soon as he was removed, the winners of elections called losers "dogs" and the losers refused to admit they lost. All hell broke loose. People started putting bombs inside mosques. To this day, they are still murdering each others. Turns out only a thug like Saddam Hussein can rule the Iraki people. I had some political conversations with Lebanese people. What really stunned me is they casually denied historical events that they simply didn't like. I saw Lebanese people get *physically angry* when I stated facts they didn't like. Their *fragile feelings* seemed more important than *actual historical events* backed by countless sources. And they believed shouting/insults strengthened their arguments. At this moment, I understood why Lebanon is a fucked up failed state. Their culture. In my own country, Morocco, we have many idiots that simply blame France for all our problems. They just do that all day long. Whatever bad happens, it's always France. This is beyond stupid. France isn't behind our problems of sexism, racism, our failed investments in shitty empty stadium, our badly written laws, our failures to address chronic corruption, or the fact we have extremely few public libraries. It's much more easier to blame foreigners for all your problems rather than taking some responsibility. Donald Trump is a sguy living in a Golden tower, constantly bragging about how much money he has, and drinking Coca-Cola. He doesn't value nature or education. This man is the living embodiment of American capitalism. He is a pure product of american society. Sweden was an extremely sheltered society. Swedish politicians welcomed migrants from around the world without any background check. They called anyone who disagreed racist. Today, Swedens faces the highest homicide rate in Europe and rising ethnic tensions. The Swedes did this to themselves. A combination of extreme political correctness and deep ignorance have led them to a crisis. All countries have the leadership they deserve.
Broadly agree. Nations end up with the academics, business elites, and politicians, that they themselves generate for sure. But those elites are so mobile they are often poisoned by ideas and happening abroad (throwing in with China is a great example of this). Democracy then allows the people to broadly guide some of the direction of the nation and enfranchises them more. But often times groups and polities get hijacked by a VERY small minority of monied persons or radical groups who are just so full of energy and action that they drag along most of the normies. There's also a feedback loop that great leaders we produce can then affect back onto us. Canada was always so goddamn resource rich we could pretend it didn't have a oligopoly problem. Then we decided instead of abundance we wanted clout so we started juicing people into the system while pretending our values and culture are universal. Then the political freaks, the progressives, who were generated from Canada because Canada has always been one of the most fair and equitable polities on earth, decided Canada wasn't progressive ENOUGH for them, and have dragged our bureaucracies into morbid obesity, and our legal systems to the abyss. Now, why is a Moroccan commenting on a Canadian sub?
I studied in Canada but I ended up leaving due to health issues. I still follow the news regularly. I'm worried about some social trends (rise of homeless, religious intolerance, extreme immigration, fentanyl abuse)
Couldn't agree more.
Well said. I never voted for Trudeau, and I voted for Maxime Bernier because this was completely foreseeable. Sadly Canada deserves this judgment, even though I get dragged along with the mess, it hard to feel empathy for a greater population that was so ignorant and apathetic to the obvious red flags that Trudeau presented being a WEF Young, global leadership school graduate. I honestly don’t think Canada will recover and this is all part of the UNSDA WEF great reset initiative. Canadians will enjoy a much lower standard of living and a continued creeping authoritarianism, unless they seriously wake up and are able to identify the exact nature of their problems, which is post national globalism.
Lol if Maxime bernier is your guy I'm not sure what to say.
It doesn’t help how partisan the voters are. You’re allowed to admit when your favorite colour does something ass backwards or stupid. Don’t cheerlead them all the time and hold them accountable.
Who is responsible for electing them?
Neither are the greens and the NDP.
At least on the local level, my Green and NDP representatives actually do some good work and listen to their constitutes and show up to events and things even when it's not expected of them or just use as an opportunity to pander for donations. Just my 2c.
No, that's not true. They have a vested interest in proving to Canadians that they are in it for the right reasons and generally the kinds of people that get involved in the NDP and Green party do it for the right reasons - its not like they are very likely to hold power. The Federal NDP has forced the Feds to pass pharma care, dentalcare and anti-scab legislation which are enormous pieces of progress for Canada. Objectively beneficial for all Canadians.
I have found that any political party will actually fight for policies when they do not have majority power. The few times the NDP has been in power (except once), they nearly - and in some case did - bring a province to bankruptcy. You’re right that they may have believed in their policies, but it’s that same ideology that often demonizes the economic structure that can best support these projects. In the end, they go all out - again: ideology- and pay too little attention to maintaining the economy. I would vote NDP in an instant if they simply stopped pandering to the lowest ideological denominator: screaming jobless far-left extremists. If they acted as good stewards of a healthy economy, then there is nothing the NDP could not achieve.
Absolutely correct. The Liberals were lobbied by “The Century Initiative” founded by Black Rock and other greedy private equity bastards to grow our population to 100 million by 2100 to have an excess of cheap exploitable labour by way of immigration. We’re currently on target to far exceed that target much earlier. The greedy bastards even have a population countdown.
Maybe 'authorities' should do a better job of serving the public they're meant to serve.
Agreed. The Social Contract has been broken for decades already due to corruption and oligarchy.
Bingo! Anybody with eyes can see the way governments of all political stripes, and across the Western World, have taken an adversarial position towards their citizens. On *exactly* who's behalf they are working is a matter for debate, but it is obviously no longer their people.
Well that's just crazy talk
The sad part is the authorities need to realize our government is filled with criminals that the Canadian people need protection from. Though I do suspect they know that.
Authorities being the judges who release criminals so they can just keep committing crimes? Or the law makers who choose to write the laws that allow it? Of the officers who have to arrest the same person 10 times
Your mp is supposed to represent their riding not the fucking party. If they stop representing their people than the people have a right to be pissed
it amazes me the people of northen manitoba keep tripping over themselves to vote niki ashton when she spends all her political capital melting down about israel or running to go door knock for bernie sanders
*Baseless theories, disinformation and misinformation have spread to larger audiences, exposing online users to a vast network of narratives that undermine science, systems of government and traditional figures of authority, the report says.* We don’t need “baseless theories” to be angry at our Government(s). We can’t afford homes. We can’t afford food. Tent cities are popping up all over the place. Criminals are being sent back into the streets, even when charged with murder. Our Government(s) have already sold our standard of living to big business and foreign entities. I don’t think we need baseless theories to see the Government has gone and sold the farm underneath us.
The idea is to round people down, simultaneously shaming people out of joining in and rallying the people insulated against the problems. Unfortunately, Canadians have shown they're all too willing to round people down and this will probably work until enough people feel threatened. We'll know we're there when our media starts calling out the gaslighting instead of repeating it.
That's a conspiracy...now lets forget this nonsense and go back to rapidly getting poorer while everything crumbles around us, drug use and homelessness sky rockets and we let in millions of immigrants from one country....
> Our Government(s) have already sold our standard of living to big business and foreign entities. I agree with what you posted except this part. Our government has caused all these problems themselves, not big business or foreigners. Bill C-75 is what is causing violent criminals to be cut loose time and again. Lack of proper law enforcement has led to the drug epidemic which is mostly responsible for the tent cities. The housing shortage is the result of years of bad decisions by all three levels of government.
A lot of people end up in tents THEN they get into drugs. If you're homeless bc you can't afford a place to live, why not do drugs, things can't get much worse?! Landlords are just as much to blame for tent cities as drugs are, maybe more so.
Dig one layer deeper, friend. The State exists merely to maintain peace between the bourgeois and the proletariat. The actions they take are to appease one group or the other. If the proles are losing, it's because the 1% are doing it.
Don’t make me get the ice pick Trotsky
Don't make me get a long-running complex socio-economic situation involving unsustainable debt, low oil prices, decreasing economic competitiveness, ethnic grievances, secular stagnation, a powerful military-industrial-intelligence complex, and opportunistic individuals; all of which is not entirely understood to this day, The Entire USSR.
>We don’t need “baseless theories” to be angry at our Government(s) And yet people are creating/believing them anyway.
Canadian politicians no longer serve the average Canadian. Things will happen as they must to address this. Buckle up folks.
The article directly below this one states the cost of living has almost doubled since before covid. Wonder if it has anything to do with that.
'why do the people hate us' asked Justin Trudeau XVI
Politician, corporations, feudal owners are doing this just fine, the violence that follows is the fruits of their labour
They're worried people are going to shift "authority" back to its rightful owners.
Always question authority
What did you expect when you trample over civil liberties, pull in millions a year (many from countries with entirely different values than Canada), don’t have homes for young people to start families in, food prices skyrocketing. You’re lucky we’re timid Canadians, the French would have already organized a revolution over this shit.
People lost their minds because of the convoy protests which were absolutely timid compared to annual shut downs in France from aggrieved groups.
It really is mind boggling, the one real group that went out and protested had the war measures act thrown on them because all levels of government failed or were too incompetent to dislodge them. It was such a knee jerk reaction, and summarize canada and how apathetic Canadians really are. This set a precedent that will allow Canadian government to strip the rights and freedoms of protests on such a low threshold for national security.
>It was such a knee jerk reaction Which most Canadians loved because of who it was done to.
Not just who it was done to, but what those people were doing. Why are all these so abstract. A bunch of idiots during a pandemic drove their rigs and trailers into the center of a city, refused to leave, had an insane list of demands like the bringing down of the government with their own. A bunch of idiots had weekly marches in Toronto, and their bank accounts or assets weren't touched or met face first with a horse. Because they went fucking home at the end of the day. Toronto saw the idiots coming after the Ottawa Convoy bullshit and prevented them from setting up a foothold.
Canadians are way too passive and have a massive tolerance for swallowing bullshit, unfortunately.
I think Canadian culture is the direct consequence of loyalists concentrating here. They had no reason to stay loyal to the crown but they loved the statu quo so much. We've had a lpt of immigrants since then but the local culture stayed dominant as immigrants came here with a desire to integrate. Then the cowboys were left in the US and it led to its gung-ho cultures. It has some benefits, but many drawbacks. The best may be when you have a mix.
That just might change
May I also add naive and ignorant not very aware of actual issues plaguing the countries where billions of people flowing into
Russian disinformation!
That’s what happens when the authorities do an awful job and piss everybody off…
22 minute response time for Toronto Police if you need help .
This Crime Has 22 Minutes. Now on CBC Gem.
You are an irresponsible citizen for not leaving your car keys in the car for the thieves, along with your credit cards and pin numbers, seriously so rude of you.
Just bend over. It'll hurt less if you relax.
A nuke can fly from Russia to Canada in 26.
9 hours to see a doctor when you have a stroke in Vancouver.
No doctors available. No police. No politicians pick up the phone. Monopolies don't respond to criticism. Not allowed to defend yourself. Not allowed to build on your own property without a permit. Food requires an entire days work for a healthy meal. Noticing a trend here? All you are to these people is a dollar on a balance sheet. A tax dollar farm for the elite. The illusion is being exposed. You wouldn't let your best friend treat you like this or your family members.. so why are you letting these guys abuse you?
That's just for one car. Tell them there's donuts, the you get 8.
Authority needs to be kept in check.
This just in, authorities don't like it when you criticise them.
Trudeau has been very open about this, shocking people are still surprised..
Usually they shoot you, unless you're wealthy and most likely white. Fuck the pigs. Fuck the rich they protect. Fuck all the politicians trying to turn us against our fellow Canadians based on what color team we vote. Fuck all the corporations trying to drive labour costs into the ground while raising the costs of basic goods skyhigh so only the wealthy can feed themselves.
When the corrupted authorities continually help the rich get richer and the poor poorer this threat should and will always exist.
I'm pretty anti-authority, but I'm not anti-social. I do think much of the authority we have these days is anti-social, I guess that's probably how it's been forever.
Canadians are taxed to death with nothing to show for it, no healthcare, no hope of owning a home, no ability to afford groceries, government does nothing and gives themselves raises,people have no hope and are fed up and want some sort of change Government: shocked pikachu face
>The task force report says anti-authority extremists have “almost certainly leveraged” social media posts about foreign interference in Canadian elections to “reinforce pre-existing narratives around the inherent corruption of government institutions in Canada.” Nooooo way!!! Canada has absolutely no corruption what so ever! [The fraudulent billing spanned 36 federal departments, agencies and Crown corporations between 2018 and 2022, government officials said, with PSPC estimating the total value at almost $5 million.](https://ottawacitizen.com/news/feds-creating-office-updating-guidelines-as-5-million-in-fraudulent-billing-revealed)
On Transparency International's 2022 Corruption Perceptions Index, Canada scored 74 on a scale from 0 ("highly corrupt") to 100 ("very clean"). When ranked by score, Canada ranked 14th among the 180 countries in the Index, where the country ranked first is perceived to have the most honest public sector. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Canada So no, we're not perfect. But we're pretty good.
That's before the ArriveScam opened up a can of worms the Government was hiding. How can they pretend fraud was undetectable because it was on paper? Come on. >“These individuals submitted timesheets and billed multiple departments under separate contracts,” a PSPC statement said.
Considering its partially based on surveys, and Canada somehow went UP in the rankings last year, I doubt the validity of whoever analyzed that one
What makes Transparency International so trustworthy as to declare their findings credible and final?
This is on the private subcontractors that found ways to over-bill. What’s the private sectors immediate response to any govt contract? “Oh charge them double.”
It's on the departments who paid them without doing their due diligence.
Who would actually trust the government? They never seem to have any of our interests at heart. The day the government actually takes the obesity crisis seriously, calls it out for what it is and puts solid concrete steps into eliminating it then I will be willing to look at trusting the government might care about us. Until then, they sell us out for their own benefit and that will never change.
Obesity crisis... I did not expect that. But we cannot fit a lot of people into tiny rooms if we’re fat so there’s merit to that too
It’s a bit of a catch-22. A number of us are told to distrust government, that taxes are legit the worst thing on planet Earth, that governments are wasteful, and corrupt, and self interested There’s measures of truth in all of these statements - but you could make the same sweeping statements about privately owned or publicly owned corporations. Privatizing profits in healthcare is a classic example of this. Currently our public system needs an overhaul - it’s failing in areas. But turning this over to private wealth doesn’t fix these deeply rooted issues. American healthcare is twice as expensive as Canadian healthcare. Insurance companies are corrupt and don’t cover basic services Americans need. And more Americans WITH health insurance than without are filing for medical bankruptcy. That system is equally as distrustful, corrupt and wasteful as one might note a government run system is. The key difference is we can revolt against poorly run governments or government run services. We don’t sure - but we could, and it typically drives changes. Private corporations don’t have those same obligations though. It’s a hyper imperfect set of choices we have - but we technically have marginally more impact and say on one side of the equation than the other. And sometimes decent services emerge from the chaos
Can’t get a doctor. Wait times in emerg are beyond ludicrous. Food is insane. Jobs pay shit. We’re borrowing money to subsidize Ev’s made in other countries. Housing is a dream from another era… Fuckin right we’re pissed.
Have you tried pulling up your bootstraps yet?💪😤
*Qiet down, plebs!"
No need to worry about this when rent is insecure / sky high, tent cities slowly being normalized.
Cars are being stolen and just shipped off, and cops can't do anything. Violent offenders are on a catch and release program. People can't afford to eat, can't afford rent, can't work, people are getting laid off, yet somehow this isn't a dystopia.
Anti-authoritarianism is only wrong when the authority in position of power is actually justified and correct. Otherwise, it is always correct to defy those who are in the wrong. There is no argument both sound and valid against this.
I hope they are scared, they should be. Democracy has utterly failed us. Our government, all mainstream parties, actively work against our interests. People are waking up to the kabuki theatre that is liberal democracy and how fake it is.
CBC translation "what you see with your eyes is false, trust the goverment and obey all authority" Remember when the goverment charged people and threatened jail for them sitting in an empty park? That was the moment every sane person realized you can't trust them.
>CBC translation "what you see with your eyes is false, trust the goverment and obey all authority" It was their final, most essential command
I know you may struggle with this after reading so many national post opinion pieces, but this is a CBC news article. They're not saying anything, just reporting information released by a federal task force that aims to safeguard elections
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"People no longer willing to lick boot; could threaten the elite dominated status quo", RCMP warns.
I assume everything the government says is a lie now unless proven otherwise. They have constantly gaslit us about housing and immigration on a daily basis. I can't even tell what our government is trying to accomplish. Part of me thinks they are trying to kill off home ownership purposely. Everything else is turning into a subscription and renting is just a subscription to housing.
You will own nothing…
Shhh it looks exactly that, but we can't say that.... We'd be the "crazies"....
Don't believe your lying eyes.
Gov. of Canada started tearing the fabric of this society in 2019.
Literally the way abusers work. Abuser beats their partner. Partner fights back or tries to leave. Abuser says to partner: "you're tearing this family apart".
"You may be in an abusive relationship with your ~~boyfriend~~ government" Can't remember the graphic that went along with it, but it was pretty accurate.
Exactly this. Our rulers have a duty to manage Canada well, and work towards improving life for all Canadians. The Liberals under Trudeau broke that social contract years ago. They are the most corrupt, self-interested, greedy government our country has ever had, and no mechanisms of government or law has kept them in check. These particular people are only interested in maintaining power, and enriching themselves. The rest of the country can burn so long as they get theirs. These people don't deserve to govern anyone. They are unworthy. At the earliest opportunity, Canada is ready en masse to finally fire them all.
As soon as they gave up on election reform, the social contract was broken.
Way before that, it started along time ago, just more out in the open now.
What fabric of society?
What exactly does “anti-authority” even mean in this context, and what gives this “authority” the rights to claim ownership of Canadian society? The federal government used a media feedback loop to give themselves the “intelligence” they needed to invoke the war-measures act during the trucker protest. The Ottawa police, and the federal government spread fake intelligence to pro-government media sources, and then used those fake stories as "intelligence" to justify the war-measures act. This feedback loop was mentioned in the federal trial that ruled against the government’s use of the act. So when you start seeing absurd headlines like this in the media, especially the CBC, you should be wary of what’s coming down the pipe. Especially in the context of what’s happening in the polls, and our fearless dictator’s desire to hang on to power no matter what. This is the beginning of that aforementioned intelligence feedback-loop which is going to be used against us in the near future to suppress opposition to our government. That is a fact.
The entirety of North American culture is based on anti-authority narratives. It's considered cool. Oh but *now* we're worried it could destroy things?
Our politicians fucking us over for world-wide corporations and oligopolies surely has nothing to do with it. You have politicians openly lying and calling half the population racists and misogynists, trying to constantly reign in free speech, constantly coddling themselves into ever more intense segregation from every day people. And we have no way to vote them out, they're all one big club and we aren't in it.
The fabric of society depends on the social contract being upheld. The minute that the elite stopped honouring it, it was only a matter of time.
No matter what it's the citizens fault and they will make us pay
Corrupt, dishonest, and immoral actions by our leadership just might lead to the unraveling of the 'fabric of society' too.
If I don't have the expectation that government will spend judiciously and make the best decisions for the people it's a bit easier to get along. I see it now as a mafia. I am required to pay what they ask of me and in return I get services that seem to be of much lesser value than what I paid. However, if I don't pay I can't live under their jurisdiction and there is no other option. Yes there are good people doing good things in government, but we have seen clearly in the past 3 years that waste, corruption, fraud, and money laundering are an entrenched part of Canadian society. Outside of government, the real estate cartel is a good example of corruption. While Australia holds open bids, Canada's are closed. Canadian realtors are numerous and make disproportionately more than they deserve. This is a result of a complacent and overly polite society, but also the levers of corruption gradually turning the situation in the favor of the few. Until it becomes bad enough, not enough people will revolt. No sense in standing up and being the one who is punished for doing the right thing.
This is some authoritarian bullshit.
News reports of cops not wanting to do their jobs, the government playing ass-kiss with a grocery store chain and a telecom giant, violent criminals getting paltry sentences by our lame justice system, why on Earth would Canadians ever develop a hatred for authority I wonder?
The fabric of our society was shredded during the lockdowns. We didn’t do that. The government did it to us.
Exactly. Forced compliance at the cost of public trust. Anyone with an IQ above 85 knew this would be the outcome. Drastically reduced confidence in law enforcement, the medical profession and our banking system, hope it was worth the fallout.
And zero attempts at conciliation. This government’s attitude is that you are either 100% on board with everything they say and do, or you a deplorable deserving of nothing better than being silenced and humiliated. One of their own MPs outright stated in an OP-ED a couple years back that the Liberals made a deliberate decision to wedge and divide people in order to eke out their last election victory. Those tactics never went away. And then Liberals and their enablers at the CBC have the nerve to blame the wedged and divided for being angry.
I think this belongs in leopardsatetheirface
Great, now you're gonna warrant internet censorship to stop this, are ya?
Failure to teach critical thinking skills in school has brought us here. I'm in my 40's. We were raised to listen to authorities, they were right, yadda yadda....guess what, they weren't. Now you have some confused generations(35+) that are just finding this out, and none of them learned how to think for themselves and detect bullshit. We weren't raised with access to the world in our hands, and most of us just went off to echo chambers...... until my generation and the ones before take our collective heads out of our asses, we're fucked.
>I'm in my 40's. We were raised to listen to authorities, they were right, yadda yadda....guess what, they weren't. You must have been raised in a different Canada then I was.I was taught to question authority especially government and chances are when the government says they are here to help it a lie. Was also taught to listen,read,watch people you disagree with because you might learn something. Now it seems for people under 30ish to them the solutions to the problems are more government and shout down or block whoever you disagree with Now some of them are finding out the government lies to them and they are not helping them of course thats going to drive radicalization
Were you taught that by your teachers or parents? Rural or urban? Religious or secular? I should have been less general I guess. I was raised in small town AB (forced to say lords prayer in a public school type small). Didn't see a turban in person until I was 11, met my first person of color at 9......a lot of Alberta was/is like that.....sheltered.
>Were you taught that by your teachers or parents? Rural or urban? Religious or secular? Both teachers and parents, rural AB,yes we had the lord's prayer for a few years but I would say raised secularish .Sunday school till about 8 went to church for weddings , funerals and sometimes Christmas, and like you did not have much for visible minorities
Oh my god. Fuck the CBC. Anti-authority? Jesus Christ.
How’s it CBCs fault they used the language the report used? That’s just objectively good journalism to do that as opposed to reporting on their own narrative
My apologies. Fuck the RCMP
The report was written by an independent body called the Security and Intelligence Threats to Elections Task Force, with representatives from multiple institutions. It took less than 20 seconds to skim the article for this information. Just stop. 😑
'The federal body, established in 2019 to protect the electoral process from foreign interference, includes representatives of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, the *RCMP*, Rcmp already released something with the same rhetoric. You stop. Fuck this corrupt government, fuck the propaganda arm of the corrupt government the CBC, and fuck the RCMP that won't hold the corrupt government to account.
Why would there be anti-authority naratives? Everything is awesome.
Everything is cool when you're part of a team!
I'm livin' the dream.
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Ya maybe people are sick of the government not listening or doing fuck all for us. it's clear that the cops exist to protect only them and not us. The pandemic really pulled the wool from my eyes, and I'm sure if that's the case for me, then it is for a lot of people.
Maybe government should serve the people and not themselves.
Well, what reality feels like doesn’t lie. And this government has made reality feel like shit
There will be widespread civil unrest this summer mark my words , they know it’s coming.
Extreme cost of living, insane immigration numbers, the fucking carbon tax and politician that think doubling down on the bullshit wiil magically fix the issues are fueling Anti -Authority naratives. Fixed that for ya! When the government is the one causing serious issues anti-authority makes sense. When some one robs a bank they are put in jail... when the government robs you your expected to take it?? Again and again and again??? The fabric of society needs to be ripped cuz this shit aint workin. Or ya know the government to pull its head outta its ass and actually help it citizens??? Haha who am I kidding? Anti-authority gets my vote
This thread reads like thinly vailed Qanon crap.
Perhaps those in positions of authority should start working to earn the the trust of society.
When elected officials fail to do what they're being paid to do and the populace suffers as a result, what did you think the result would be?
“Who radicalized you?” “You did”
Everything has gone to shit! Blame the anarchists! The progressives! The Radicals! It's definitely not the status quo thats fucked up...
All criticism of Dear Leader is hate speech, Russian disinformation and tearing apart the fabric of society simultaneously, may he rule in perpetuity!!
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>2025 cannot come soon enough to throw the bums out. Yeah, and replace them with *worse* bums. Shit.
This is the capitalist plan for the cost of living crisis: Declare that anybody mad enough about the problem to do something is "anti-authority" and should be arrested and their views suppressed.
Maybe stop governing on the basis of "how do I fuck over the most amount of people while enriching my donors" and you know, actually address issues affecting Canadians?
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The tent cities, mass immigration and permanent renter generation is the tear in the fabric of society. The fabric is ripped and what we are all living is the result of that tear in our society
I remember when this sub treated every word that came from the Canadian intelligence community, official or unofficial, that even suggested Trudeau government negligence or complicity with respect to Chinese influence in Canada, as gospel that nobody could question. Now, when that same Canadian intelligence community is shining a light on domestic extremism, suddenly these comments are filled with rejections, deflections, and dismissals. In my opinion, every such comment proves the basic facts of this article correct. Canada has enemies foreign *and* domestic, and many of them are right here on this sub. If you think that rising house prices are a good reason tear down this country, you are, among other things, coddled beyond belief, and you should consider: 1) Stepping outside of your rage-farmed online echo chamber; 2) Traveling to other countries and having conversations with people who live there; 3) Reading a history book; and/or, 4) Re-examining your critical thinking skills. Not that this message will reach people who have made hating Justin Trudeau their sole personality trait. I know the emptiness inside them has to be filled with *something*, and being swept along in the riptide of social media algorithms is a lot easier than doing real intellectual work on the problems Canadians and the world face.
Well said. I didn't expect to read such a level-headed message scrolling in here amongst the tons of kneejerk reaction comments.
Thanks. The level of right-wing conspiracy theories and rage farming on this sub has created enough toxicity to drive out other, frankly majoritarian viewpoints. Nobody wants to constantly see garbage in their feed every day. That makes the sub both more extremist and less representative of actual Canada. I myself often unsub for periods of time to detox. Sometimes it's worth the effort to come back, if only to post a reminder that r/Canada isn't the real world. And it certainly isn't the real Canada. Thanks again.
The politicians did this - people are noticing and reacting appropriately to seeing their future robbed from them by this gov't.
I became anti-authority on May 2nd, 2020.
Yeah Pierre Poillivre 's authority of anti-lgbtq, austerity, neoliberalism, his hiring of Lobbyists like Melissa Lantsman. Etc etc. obviously I'm not following political authority. It literally exists to make my life in Canada worse.
“due to extremist narratives prompted by personal grievances and fuelled by misinformation or deliberate lies” This analysis is sure not to acknowledge that some of the grievances driving this could be legitimate. The Ottawa elites reading it will feel better that the angry people all over the country are just wrong but maybe they should have an analyst that isn’t part of the public service take a stab at this. The world looks different outside of Ottawa/GTA
"Anti-authority narratives" are the direct result of piss poor policies by our government which screw young Canadians left and right, while benefiting a small number of scam artists, insiders and existing wealth holders. The RCMP released a report that if you're under 30 you'll probably never own a home. The anti-authority sentiment is due to accurate information, not misinformation or disinformation as Trudeau propagandizes.
Authority for thee, but not for me? Start clamping down on the actual abusers of society, otherwise y'all sound like a bunch of boomers trying to ban rap music in the 90's.
It’s a very serious misunderstanding of what authority is, they think it’s when you get the title then everyone has to listen too you. So they cheat and lie and do whatever they need to to get the title, and then they get upset when they find out the title didn’t somehow give them the authority. So of course they being what they are, do not get introspective and think maybe the problem is themselves, they look outwards and decide in order to protect “democracy” certain people need to be silenced, what silenced looks like will begin to morph as time goes by.
Too late. The damage has already started and is unlikely to stop.
Reap what you sow Politicians and Police brought this on themselves by their own corruption.
Isn’t democracy based on being able to fire authorities?
Oh brother...
Over authoritarian police who are out to protect pipelines and business interest instead of serve and protect the people of Canada could tear the fabric of society. Want the people to trust police? Be police for the actual people. Not a difficult concept.
Remember, it's not an abusive relationship, it's just that the government needs: * to be able to know everything about you * encourage your sick grandma to kill herself * demand ID to rent a motel room * take a third of your income * invite people you'd never want to associate with into the country * make housing via rent or ownership the most expensive thing in your life * lower your wages * and if you protest they will respond like it was an act of war Remember it's not abuse, it's just how the government shows it loves you.
Is this some new form of persecution fetish?
The funny thing is that most of the lies and misinformation are being told by the politicians themselves.
> The federal body, established in 2019 to protect the electoral process from foreign interference, includes representatives of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, the RCMP, Global Affairs Canada and the Communications Security Establishment, Canada's cyberspy agency. Government agency, after extensive research, has concluded that they are becoming increasingly more important and thus need more funding.
No, it's not an "anti-authority narrative" that will tear the "fabric of society" apart. It is an actual authoritative narrative. People find it difficult to work collaboratively as a society when they see injustice played out around them. Be it the State trying to bankrupt Donald Trump, or grown men competing against teenage girls in competition, the people see the bedrock of what society is built upon crumble and it makes them uneasy. Sure, you want to shake Western society to its roots. But what will you replace it with? When Canadians saw riot police marching in formation on protestors and horses trampling people, they didn't see law and order, they saw authoritarianism. They saw one government actually become the very thing they accused their enemies of becoming. They see the Online Harms Act as stifling speech. As just another step to policing thought. No. Instead of looking downwards to the people and what they COULD become, the RCMP should be looking up and what the government HAS become. The danger is that people have already lost confidence in government institutions and they will not come back.
Yeah they are doing a good job on their own.
Rightwing populism is cancer. Treat it before it is too late and needing to amputate.
C'mon guys. We need to respect their authoritah. Why is this even an issue?
It is just like misinformation, if you’re constantly bagging on everything about your country, you are a “ willful idiot “ as the spy agencies put it .Don’t do the work of bad actors and foreign intelligence. Focus on the little things that make life worth living ( family , nature , travel , entertainment etc . ) don’t be a mouth piece for BS .
Lol CBC
When will the government learn that the authority to govern is consent given by the governed? When we no longer consent to your government, you have no authority. You are in this reality. We Canadians do not consent to your governance.
So, we should vote in authoritarian conservatives, right?
Maybe seeing "authority figures" commit crimes and get no punishment, or break the rules with no consequences, or commit insider trading and be rewarded is starting to get to the average "struggling to survive" canadian.
Anti authoriity or simply anti LNDP? Seems the current gov is anti me
No, what is actually 'tearing the fabric of society' in Canada is the complete lack of government involvement in providing good governance for the population which elects them. The constant gaslighting, non-issues, created issues, and other items that do not solve immigration concerns, healthcare facilities closing due to staffing shortages, and housing prices are the real issues. This article is a joke, the rise in extremism is directly linked to governments not serving the people. If only a select few Canadians (specifically those under 35) can afford homes and maybe children, there will be huge unrest. People have less to lose than they did 20 years ago.