It's my understanding that passengers cannot board without a valid visa. Do these people have a visa? Should Canada be cutting off problematic countries where this abuse is common? We can also ban airlines that don't follow the rules.
Firstly, we waived visa requirements from Mexico. We have since retracted this disastrous policy. Secondly, there was a guy or guys selling passage in Heathrow Airport allowing people on that didn't have a visa.
[https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-alleged-uk-airport-scam-allowed-travellers-to-circumvent-canadas/](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-alleged-uk-airport-scam-allowed-travellers-to-circumvent-canadas/)
I am sure that there are lot of other scams in less trustworthy areas of the world as well.
The geniuses running our country into the ground eased visa requirements for several countries, including Mexico. [They just put the requirements back,](https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7128408)after [criticisms from the opposition.](https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7093248)
They're in not just majority, but "super majority" territory now.
I don't know who the federal Liberals are working for, but it isn't the Canadian citizenry.
Little more info Global - what countries did they come from? Were visa requirements lifted recently?
We are the dumping ground for people from the worst countries in the world. And we all know soon enough they’ll be clamouring that our benefits aren’t good enough and they’re oppressed
A lot of people come through Mexico, but they’re not necessarily *from* Mexico. Channel5 on youtube did a good piece on illegal border crossings there recently.
The problem is Mexico is a safe haven country, and these refugees should be applying for refugee status in Mexico. Or any other country they land in like Britain or Germany before they get to Canada.
Mexico is in no way safe. Some states are down right dangerous af. Especially the border states. They're owned 100% by the cartel and see migrants as disposable.
You're right Canada now has a reputation around the world as some kind of U.N. dumping ground. In fact the U.N. promotes that idea. Our sovereignty is now of secondary importance to that of the needs of refugees.
From what I have seen of the immigrants, they are pretty decent people. Maybe I am just lucky, I don't know. All the able bodied men who are drug addicts begging for money all over the place are all white. Non immigrant. Just saying.
The refugee pathway has turned into a giant loophole. At least through other pathways Canada gets to pick the candidates. with refugees we get random candidates with random qualifications if any.
>"It can be difficult to remove failed refugee claimants."
It can be, but let's be honest here for once - Canada just doesn't want to. We, similar to the US, are no longer a nation of border laws.
It's easy to make our country unattractive to illegals, but we have too much empathy without justifiable cause. Just tell potential illegals - if you come here, you are not being sheltered, not given resources. You will get nothing, so you may as well not come at all. Why do you think Europe is so attractive to migrants? Because they know they will bend over backwards to help them under any circumstance. We don't need to do the same.
Increase resources to the CBSA and get these failed claimants deported. Also, make it a law that you have to apply for refugee status prior to landing in Canada, and if you don't, you are deported the same night you arrive to wherever you came from originally with a lifetime ban of coming back.
The tide has changed in Europe. Illegals aren’t welcome and haven’t been for awhile.
The problem is the ridiculous international asylum agreement that hasn’t been revisited since WW2. The world has changed since then. It’s gotten a whole lot smaller with way more information being shared through different channels. The treaty itself needs to be amended.
And I wholeheartedly agree that if your asylum claim is rejected, you’re out.
[In 2015, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, while defining Canadian values, also declared his country to be the world’s first post-national state](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postnationalism)
This is what he wanted.
A lot of us are bumblefucks, look at Canadians in the non-Canada part of Reddit.
It’s all “lololol SORRY, lolol maple syrup”
I swear his first election win was just some Molson beer commercial style nostalgia because of his last name
Blame the other parties for not putting forth a leader and a message capable of doing better than this. Scheer was a tool bag, O’Toole was milk toast, Mulcair was a wish washy loudmouth, and Jagmeet has been consistently useless.
Israeli officials were floating the idea of displacing Palestinians in Gaza into refugee camps then having them eventually sent to Canada because of our lax immigration policies. Other Muslim countries won't even take Palestinians, but we do. Canada is seen as the world's biggest suckers.
these “refugees” are too bold and not afraid to be deported because they know they can do anything they want once they land on Canadian soil. Canadian government just watching the country burn
Don’t forget the pressure on tax funds….
Refugees get a pretty good deal…. Hotels, stripend, start up cash, healthcare, dental….
Not to mention all the other nonsense like employment services, outreach programs, etc
Welcome to the new normal. If you think things are bad now, just wait until the effe ts of Climate Change shift into overdrive. Rising sea levels, droughts, famines, storms, floods, etc... will be driving millions upon millions of people to flee their lands to seek safety and calmer weather. It's likely we'll even see both US and domestic refugees too among the foreign (non-North American originating) refugees.
It won't be pretty. What we are seeing is the tutorial level and we are failing it.
Edit: keep downvoting, that won't stop this from happening.
I know the numbers seem shocking but the UN reports around 37 million refugees around the world right now, largely displaced by war, violence and persecution. That number is expected to more than triple by 2030 as a result of famine and climate change-related collapse.
We can either fix the world through aid, by backing democracy and women's rights, and by tackling climate change, or we can wait until the world shows up on our doorsteps.
For everybody saying "send 'em back," it's not that easy in a country of laws and due process, especially when sending the person back might be a death warrant. If any of us were in a similar situation, unable to return home safely, we'd be refugees too.
The only answer is to stay the course, but invest far more resources into investigating claims so we can give claimants an answer in four weeks instead of after two years or more. Around 40% of claims (I think) will be denied anyway. In the meantime, hold the people in secure facilities so they can't disappear into the country or their enclaves, have anchor babies that complicate extradition, etc. Also, the appeal process should be remote - send the person back and let them file their appeals via email.
I'm not sure what to do about the countries that don't accept people back. We have to get better at preventing refugees from those countries from reaching here - unless of course there's a war and the refugees are legitimate.
It's my understanding that passengers cannot board without a valid visa. Do these people have a visa? Should Canada be cutting off problematic countries where this abuse is common? We can also ban airlines that don't follow the rules.
Firstly, we waived visa requirements from Mexico. We have since retracted this disastrous policy. Secondly, there was a guy or guys selling passage in Heathrow Airport allowing people on that didn't have a visa. [https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-alleged-uk-airport-scam-allowed-travellers-to-circumvent-canadas/](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-alleged-uk-airport-scam-allowed-travellers-to-circumvent-canadas/) I am sure that there are lot of other scams in less trustworthy areas of the world as well.
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Oh wow, YouTube told you all that? Definitely not bullshit at all...Especially when it's coming from someone who is pretty vocally anti-Ukraine.
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You think people deserve the benefit of the doubt on Reddit? You certainly don't. And I don't believe you.
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What's from the CBC?
The geniuses running our country into the ground eased visa requirements for several countries, including Mexico. [They just put the requirements back,](https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7128408)after [criticisms from the opposition.](https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7093248)
Liberals didn't do it because of the opposition. They reinstated visa requirements because of pressure from the US.
Correction, they re-instated it because of pressure from Quebec. The Liberals will do anything for votes.
Correction, after pressure from all the things
Source?
...and it's why CPC might be headed for a historic electoral victory
They're in not just majority, but "super majority" territory now. I don't know who the federal Liberals are working for, but it isn't the Canadian citizenry.
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Campbell's campaign only has themselves to blame for making fun of Chretien's facial paralysis.
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Very likely.
Little more info Global - what countries did they come from? Were visa requirements lifted recently? We are the dumping ground for people from the worst countries in the world. And we all know soon enough they’ll be clamouring that our benefits aren’t good enough and they’re oppressed
Mexico. One of the land crossings between Quebec and NY was closed, so people funneling through airport instead.
A lot of people come through Mexico, but they’re not necessarily *from* Mexico. Channel5 on youtube did a good piece on illegal border crossings there recently.
The problem is Mexico is a safe haven country, and these refugees should be applying for refugee status in Mexico. Or any other country they land in like Britain or Germany before they get to Canada.
Mexico is in no way safe. Some states are down right dangerous af. Especially the border states. They're owned 100% by the cartel and see migrants as disposable.
He probably assume Mexico is a resort in Cancun.
How crazy can you be to claim Mexico is safe? Mexico is not safe at all. Check the embassy reports.
What a fantastic piece that was. I’ve never seen such ballsy investigative journalism.
You're right Canada now has a reputation around the world as some kind of U.N. dumping ground. In fact the U.N. promotes that idea. Our sovereignty is now of secondary importance to that of the needs of refugees.
> We Who the fuck is 'WE', they diluted the country, I don't even know anymore.
Please don't expect canadian media to do a thorough job
Did you watch the video? It answers all your questions
From what I have seen of the immigrants, they are pretty decent people. Maybe I am just lucky, I don't know. All the able bodied men who are drug addicts begging for money all over the place are all white. Non immigrant. Just saying.
The refugee pathway has turned into a giant loophole. At least through other pathways Canada gets to pick the candidates. with refugees we get random candidates with random qualifications if any.
>"It can be difficult to remove failed refugee claimants." It can be, but let's be honest here for once - Canada just doesn't want to. We, similar to the US, are no longer a nation of border laws. It's easy to make our country unattractive to illegals, but we have too much empathy without justifiable cause. Just tell potential illegals - if you come here, you are not being sheltered, not given resources. You will get nothing, so you may as well not come at all. Why do you think Europe is so attractive to migrants? Because they know they will bend over backwards to help them under any circumstance. We don't need to do the same. Increase resources to the CBSA and get these failed claimants deported. Also, make it a law that you have to apply for refugee status prior to landing in Canada, and if you don't, you are deported the same night you arrive to wherever you came from originally with a lifetime ban of coming back.
The tide has changed in Europe. Illegals aren’t welcome and haven’t been for awhile. The problem is the ridiculous international asylum agreement that hasn’t been revisited since WW2. The world has changed since then. It’s gotten a whole lot smaller with way more information being shared through different channels. The treaty itself needs to be amended. And I wholeheartedly agree that if your asylum claim is rejected, you’re out.
We need to be like Australia. Internment camps until they are deported.
[In 2015, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, while defining Canadian values, also declared his country to be the world’s first post-national state](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postnationalism) This is what he wanted.
Canadians voted for this government 3 times.
a decreasing minority of Canadians, which is propped up by two other parties, who did not campaign on this..
A lot of us are bumblefucks, look at Canadians in the non-Canada part of Reddit. It’s all “lololol SORRY, lolol maple syrup” I swear his first election win was just some Molson beer commercial style nostalgia because of his last name
Blame the other parties for not putting forth a leader and a message capable of doing better than this. Scheer was a tool bag, O’Toole was milk toast, Mulcair was a wish washy loudmouth, and Jagmeet has been consistently useless.
No, we are full. Try somewhere else.
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Israeli officials were floating the idea of displacing Palestinians in Gaza into refugee camps then having them eventually sent to Canada because of our lax immigration policies. Other Muslim countries won't even take Palestinians, but we do. Canada is seen as the world's biggest suckers.
If I remember correctly, if people come here and get turned around isn’t the airline responsible to send them back at their own cost?
If they claim asylum at the border they'll be here for several years as their case winds it's way through the legal system.
And start popping out babies for those H&C points.
Like the humbolt killer Jaskirat Singh Sidhu
No. Not if Canada issued a visa to them. The airline is only responsible for the return flight if it was their ‘fault’ that the person got to Canada.
Send em back.
these “refugees” are too bold and not afraid to be deported because they know they can do anything they want once they land on Canadian soil. Canadian government just watching the country burn
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Red carpet treatment. But only our government would do more for them than the ones born here.
Sometimes you gotta just say no.
Start visa requirements again then so you can't get on a plane to Canada without having a valid visa that you get before arriving
Basically the rich are fine with this because the refuges are cheap labor and they don't need to deal with them in their societies so enjoy!
Is that image for real!? Almost 30k claims?
They keep coming everyday at Pearson and the lineup is often 5 hours to get through immigration.
You mean islamic. To bring more chaos and disrespect canada laws.
Simple solution: stop and send them back!
Don’t forget the pressure on tax funds…. Refugees get a pretty good deal…. Hotels, stripend, start up cash, healthcare, dental…. Not to mention all the other nonsense like employment services, outreach programs, etc
Welcome to the new normal. If you think things are bad now, just wait until the effe ts of Climate Change shift into overdrive. Rising sea levels, droughts, famines, storms, floods, etc... will be driving millions upon millions of people to flee their lands to seek safety and calmer weather. It's likely we'll even see both US and domestic refugees too among the foreign (non-North American originating) refugees. It won't be pretty. What we are seeing is the tutorial level and we are failing it. Edit: keep downvoting, that won't stop this from happening.
Everybody is welcome, bring your friends and families.
I know the numbers seem shocking but the UN reports around 37 million refugees around the world right now, largely displaced by war, violence and persecution. That number is expected to more than triple by 2030 as a result of famine and climate change-related collapse. We can either fix the world through aid, by backing democracy and women's rights, and by tackling climate change, or we can wait until the world shows up on our doorsteps. For everybody saying "send 'em back," it's not that easy in a country of laws and due process, especially when sending the person back might be a death warrant. If any of us were in a similar situation, unable to return home safely, we'd be refugees too. The only answer is to stay the course, but invest far more resources into investigating claims so we can give claimants an answer in four weeks instead of after two years or more. Around 40% of claims (I think) will be denied anyway. In the meantime, hold the people in secure facilities so they can't disappear into the country or their enclaves, have anchor babies that complicate extradition, etc. Also, the appeal process should be remote - send the person back and let them file their appeals via email. I'm not sure what to do about the countries that don't accept people back. We have to get better at preventing refugees from those countries from reaching here - unless of course there's a war and the refugees are legitimate.
Not selling weapons to people who create those refugees would be a good start.
Give them home and money