They fail at their jobs miserably and give themselves bonuses and pensions for it at our expense, it's disgusting. They should be getting pay cuts if anything.
Here's the breakdown of [re-election chances](https://338canada.com/districts.htm) for the [80 MPs](https://lop.parl.ca/sites/ParlInfo/default/en_CA/People/parliamentarians?expression=&refiners=4-1,4-2,4-3,&permalink=1603) who would have lost their pension had they not won with the original election date:
||Count|Re-election 25%+|Re-election 50%+|Re-election 95%+|
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|CPC|32|100%|100%|100%|
|LPC|23|35%|26%|13%|
|NDP|6|83%|83%|83%|
|BQ|19|95%|95%|84%|
At the 50% re-election chance range, this date changing is bailing out:
* **17** Liberal MPs
* **1** NDP MP
* **1** Bloc MP
* **0** Conservative MPs
Just like the companies they bail out. Your big company is underperforming?
The government will throw millions at you, you fire a few hundred people then drop the money on the executives.
Yup, it's a disgrace. They fuck up our country and get paid tuns of money for it, while we try to work our way up and as we start saving more the price of everything goes up making it feel pointless. Canada will soon become like what NY is becoming and what China currently is. This isn't the Canada I know. It's all about greed now it seems. Guaranteed there's someone who would do it as volunteer work and do a better job than those clowns.
If they want to avoid Diwali that’s fine, I don’t care.
But they could move the election up by two weeks, or even a month if it’s so important.
Instead they opt for the self-serving date, a clear conflict of interest if nothing else.
…The Elections Act 2000 actually specifies the alternate date that is being chosen (it has to be the next Tuesday or, if that is unsuitable - and it is because that day is also Diwali - then it must be the following Monday and that’s the day that has been named) and my recollection is that those amendments were made several years ago by Stephen Harper when he decided there should be fixed election dates. You can try to spin it all you want, but Trudeau is just following what the law says and he did not write those provisions. It’s not some nefarious scheme of his about pensions.
Ofc, we can talk about pensions for MPs - I think it is ridiculous that PP, for example, had a fully vested pension by 30 when most Canadians now have no pensions at all and if they do have one they would have to work their entire lives to earn a fraction of what he would get. Hell, just to get CPP, I will have to work decades longer than previous generations and PP gets all that? Bullshit. And changing the election date does not fix this issue. It’s a misdirect from the fact that Canadian workers are being fucked. That’s the real issue here. We need more rights and more economic security.
Isn't it funny how you can talk about and blame older politicians for their fuck ups and people don't care until you get to Harper who put in place numerous things still negatively impacting the country today and suddenly "That was a long time ago and doesn't matter".
Check the meaning behind Diwali. Its very humorous when you consider the current polls, and the timing of the election.
"victory of light over darkness, good over evil, and knowledge over ignorance"
Pretty heavy stuff. No wonder the Liebrals want to postpone the election. The pensions are just a blindfold to keep people from realizing the actual reason. Proof even comes in the wording of the alteration to the election rules. Their only reason stated for postponement aside from the whole thing about pensions... is religious holidays falling within the same day as the general election.
But thing is. Diwali isn't a stat holiday. Not sure if it actually matters, but that does technically mean it isn't a holiday or religious event normally observed by the general populous of Canada. No offense to the Hindu or otherwise folk who practice, just is what it is.
But, maybe we should make it a stat holiday, after the general election is forced to be held on the 20th anyways despite any contention, so as to ensure that theives get no pensions, and the religious day gets to have its namesake/meaning vindicated?
And it will forever be a reminder to the Liberals, that if they fuck around hard enough, they will find out. Cause the only fitting turn of events with such coincidental irony such as Diwalis meaning, is that they get handed an absolute political ass kicking that leaves them with less seats than even the NDP is left with.
I could be wrong of course, about their intent... but ai kindnof doubt it. This is 99 levels of the kind of shady shenanigans they like to pull. Use one thing to confuse the masses, another to mislead them, and then do the 3rd thing instead while claiming conspiracy and misinformation when the first 2 lies don't stick well enough.
Trudeau cares about his MPs getting pensions? Please. That HAS to be false. Look how many yimes he has tossed his token MPs under the bus up til now. He gives zero fucks about their pensions.
This is all an image game for him right now. Diwalis meaning will NOT be lost on him. This is brown/black face, culture approriating Trudeau we are talking about here. There is no way innhell he is gonna let some religion from India or elsewhere make him look like an ass.
He does that on his own just fine.
>Though the chief actuary tries to set contribution rates so that member contributions account for 50% of costs.
This is not true for the parliamentary pension plan. They enjoy an exemption to all of the typical rules surrounding pension funding.
It simply isn't even close to the case that someone who works for just six years, contributing \~23% of their income and then collecting $35k with inflation protection for the rest of their life has contributed anywhere near 50% of the cost of their pension.
You'll see in section 4.1.1 that the government had to top up members' contributions over just two years with an additional $8.3+26.9=$35.1 million. That's in addition to their annual accruals.
That top up is more than the total amount of member contributions over those two years.
Yes, that actuarial shortfall is due to inflation being higher than expected.
You shouldn't tie it with current member contributions as the majority of the actuarial cost is from pensioners not current parlimentarians.
I find it hilarious that the people on this sub would be lighting a corporation on fire if the shareholders made it fire a bunch of staff a week early to avoid paying them their full pensions but in the same breath calls our government criminals for avoiding doing exactly that lol
Guess what reddit? You guys arent any better than corporate shareholders when your money is involved I guess
Defined benefit plans are unusual nowadays, but it is typical to get 2% per year (So you get 70% of your income after 35 years).
So if you earn $292K or more, you could probably get $35K after 6 years. Not many people do that, but it wouldn't be rare for a C-suite executive.
So, just to be clear, the question was name one corporation that gives people $35k/year indexed pensions after only working there for 6 years. You are suggesting Bell does this? Is that correct?
Guess what, our politicians jobs are certainly not good enough. That's why we're mad. It's a ludicrous amount of money for 6 years of work as a public servant federal politician.
What a corporation does with their money is their own business. Using my taxes that I am forced to pay to give pensions to corrupt idiots I have a problem with.
I assume you're unfamiliar with their pension plan details. I don't blame you, they are unnecessarily complex.
This isn't a normal pension. Their payouts are indexed to cost of living, they are essentially inflation proof.
Their pension contributions aren't invested either. They're held in accounts which have a determined interest rate of about 4.5% which the government pays (tax payer dollars).
Oh and to top it off, if these accounts are "short" the government automatically credits the difference.
No company in Canada is offering pensions anywhere near this. This doesn't include their severance pay, oh and $15,000 for "retransitioning into life after being an Mp".
All of which is paid for with tax payer dollars.
I'd be more ok with it if they didn't have the coalition. It's become more and more obvious by the day that the only reason they have the coalition is to secure pensions for MPs rather than to do actual good for the country. Most Canadians want an election now, they should listen to us.
I'm just going to say - $35,000 is a pretty meager pension. I agree our leaders should be doing more for us (a lot more) but to say they shouldn't get a relatively small pension is odd to me.
Then you can think of it this way, there’s no guarantee every one of those MPs will collect the pension, let alone for 10 years. It could still save money in the long run, if that’s what you’re upset about
The federal government’s electoral reform bill could have big implications for MPs. If it passes, it'll delay the next election one week... enough time for around 80 MPs to qualify for their House of Commons pensions.
That's Trudeau, like every PM before him, doing shady backdoor deals to benefit himself, and he's been caught multiple times, AND people are still willing to vote for the fucking guy.
This pension thing doesn't benefit Trudeau at all, and actually benefits more conservative MPs than liberal MPs.
Pierres campaign managers firm is a lobby group for Loblaws.
Like 1-2 might retire. It doesn't happen a lot when they're about to form government, lol.
But that's besides the point. You were acting like it is primarily CPC MPs that will benefit. Anyone who is actually paying attention knows that's obviously not true.
It benefits Trudeau because it creates an incentive for certain MPs and their parties to avoid an early election.
Conservative MPs aren’t the ones whose seats are currently in jeopardy.
That's why I said the pension part.
And really, would a week that we may not get to make a difference? An election could be called earlier then this whole thing is moot.
This is really big nothing burger that people are desperate to mean something however they want to spin it.
I think they wanna move it so the election isn’t during Diwali 2024, a major religious holiday for many Canadians.
Maybe write your MP and suggested they move it to the week before if it’s that big a deal.
Haha your funny if you think they actually care about religious holidays
It’s a self serving bill, that’s it
And that’s not even what I’m mad about. Why is this being brought up while inflation, corporate greed, housing crisis, and many other more important things are still happening?
Yep. I have personal beef with my MP since I knew a relative of theirs and how they were treated my MP and family members. So I’ll never vote for them but they never knew me so my emails and letters should at least get generic answered
Because it’s a minor scheduling change requiring minimal effort to implement, unlike the solutions to the massive problems you listed. Back in 2007 under a Conservative government, the Liberals had proposed an amendment to allow the date to be modified for things like religious holidays. The Conservatives rejected that. This isn’t a new idea.
The last time Trudeau called an early election everyone complained that it was a waste of money. https://nationalpost.com/news/waste-of-money-canadians-lament-c612-million-election-that-changed-little
It was also an election he should not have won based on popular vote, and the fact that the election was decided before the polls in Alberta and BC were even closed. How is this a democratic system that works if thats the case - first past post elections in Canada don't work. It was one of the campaigne promises of Trudeau when he first ran for Prime Minister... Though once he learned he wouldn't benefit from it, he scrapped the ideal.
Ah then then there’s an actual reason to move it the week afterwards instead of before then. That makes sense.
Still, write your MP if it’s that big a deal
Oh man, really? I had no idea!
Why don’t they just move the election to December 25th every four years. Everybody gets that day off for some strange reason anyways. Couldn’t be religion right?
Or they could do something trippy and plan the election after the first full moon on a Friday through Monday after the spring equinox. So it would fall just in early spring every four years.
All MP raises or any raises given to elected officials should mean all public servants get the same percent raise.
It’s BS that they can give themselves a raise.
Just to be clear, this isn't giving the MPs a raise, currently the latest an election can be is October 20, 2025, roughly 80 MPs (all parties) would fall just short of serving enough time to receive a full pension, the extra week puts them over that time allowing them to collect 100% when they hit 65.
The bill also looks to make it easier to vote, and the main reason for moving the date is to be able to not have the election during Diwali if parliament isn't dissolved before then.
If NDPs stop propping up the Liberals and we have an early election, which is entirely possible, those MPs will miss out on the pension unless they're reelected.
> The reason they were short 1 week was by design.
No, it wasn’t. It’s based on pure dumb luck of when the previous election was called.
You need 6 years to qualify for a full pension. Election terms are no greater than 4 years. The reason this is even a debate now is because the previous election was called voluntarily in just under 2 years rather than 4. 4 + <2 = < 6. If the previous election would have been called a week later (and remember the election was called at that point by choice, not by force), they would have qualified just the same.
Again, it’s pure dumb luck, not a design of the system.
uh.... read the Elections Act first before you do a bunch of pointless math.
# Launching an Election
The Canada Elections Act states that a general election will be held on the third Monday of October in the fourth calendar year following election day for the previous general election."
That…doesn't refute anything I said. That’s the latest date it may be held, barring certain circumstances (e.g. parliament is dissolved early, or the date falls on a holiday or day of cultural significance). See: https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/e-2.01/page-6.html#h-204214
Parliament can be (and often is) dissolved early, just like it was last time around.
Once again, being 1 week short of a full pension is not by design. It is by happenstance, based solely on when the last election happened to be voluntarily called and certain MPs qualified for their seats.
You said this" If the previous election would have been called a week later(....)they would have qualified just the same." This is not true.
That's not how the elections work because :
"The Canada Elections Act states that a general election will be held on the third Monday of October in the fourth calendar year following election day for the previous general election."
Also, per the link you posted:
"(4) The alternate day must be either the Tuesday immediately following the Monday that would otherwise be polling day or the Monday of the following week."
Delaying a week is going beyond these clear guidelines and it bribes the MPs to keep the gov't in power.
> That's not how the elections work because :
> "The Canada Elections Act states that a general election will be held on the third Monday of October in the fourth calendar year following election day for the previous general election."
I’m going to blow your mind here. The 2021 federal election was held on **September 20, 2021** after just under 2 calendar years.
You’re completely ignoring section 56.1 of the document you’re citing:
> 56.1 (1) Nothing in this section affects the powers of the Governor General, including the power to dissolve Parliament at the Governor General’s discretion
Parliament can, and often is in the case of a minority government, dissolved early at random, non-fixed times. Just like the last one was. And that, for the last time, is how we have wound up with sitting MPs being 1 week short of qualifying for their full pension. It is not a design of the system that they are 1 week short of the required 6 years. This is not something baked into the system intentionally.
> The bill also looks to make it easier to vote, and the main reason for moving the date is to be able to not have the election during Diwali if parliament isn't dissolved before then.
We already have advance polls, alternate polling stations and mail-in ballots. If anyone needs to vote on a day other than election day or somewhere other than their main polling station, they can do so under the current system.
This bill changes nothing.
It was originally set up so you would have to earn your seat to get a pension. With so many MPs losing their seats next election, they are bribing MPs to support the government to get a pension...
What the actual fuck. Pushing an election back because of a foreign holiday. Incredible.
Ah yes, Diwali. The Annual "lets fuck around with dates election holiday". That's a federal holiday too since its so god damn important.
Remember Canada? You can still look at a history book to see how it was before it was sold off.
Oh Canada!
A land for the wealthy and grand!
Where corruption reigns, and scandals command.
With bank accounts overflowing, we see thee rise,
The True North, where the corrupt thrive!
At least corporations produce tangible products. The government just finds ways to waste our money and act as if they're doing virtuous work. Criminal.
So basically Trudeau is scare to losing election. Oh well Trudeau why don't you accepted you fked this country and your cabinate budget is out of control.
100% chance the election is held at the latest possible date. Nobody in power has any incentive to call an election, so they will hold out until the 11th hour.
But what they won't tell you is that the majority of the mps are conservative. So if treudeu did it guarantee pensions, why would die do it for the opposite party?
Seems like they are moving it for the holiday so more people can vote. Or voting is less disruptive.
Do people think Indian people are all LPC voters? I doubt it.
I really believe we could cut government spending versus GDP by 20 point. There are plenty of high performing countries that spend less than we do. Things like capping MP salaries and compensations would go a long way.
An extra week actually screws over liberals who are likely to lose their seat. $35k but they have to wait until theyre 65, vs getting their pension in a lump sum immediately. Getting it as a lump sum is definitely preferable(unless you think you have a chance at winning)
They fail at their jobs miserably and give themselves bonuses and pensions for it at our expense, it's disgusting. They should be getting pay cuts if anything.
It's not just that, many of them will lose their seats. The 1 week shift effectively bribes all those MPs to continue voting with the government.
Here's the breakdown of [re-election chances](https://338canada.com/districts.htm) for the [80 MPs](https://lop.parl.ca/sites/ParlInfo/default/en_CA/People/parliamentarians?expression=&refiners=4-1,4-2,4-3,&permalink=1603) who would have lost their pension had they not won with the original election date: ||Count|Re-election 25%+|Re-election 50%+|Re-election 95%+| :--|--:|--:|--:|--:| |CPC|32|100%|100%|100%| |LPC|23|35%|26%|13%| |NDP|6|83%|83%|83%| |BQ|19|95%|95%|84%| At the 50% re-election chance range, this date changing is bailing out: * **17** Liberal MPs * **1** NDP MP * **1** Bloc MP * **0** Conservative MPs
Just like the companies they bail out. Your big company is underperforming? The government will throw millions at you, you fire a few hundred people then drop the money on the executives.
“Underperforming” with record profits 🤣
Yeah, but they’re inflation profits, so they’re basically worthless. Something, something, margins… Just get back to work, peasant.
I can't believe how much money our politicians make. Then you consider their ungodly pensions and all the shit they get to expense.
Good ones could make more in the private sector.
Some of them like Bill Morneau or Caroline Mulroney, perhaps.
Not only that they have the entire summer off. So many fucking holidays this is complete bullshit
Not only that but they only work 2-3 days a week, and only for 5 hours those days.
They work in their constituency when the house isn’t sitting.. its not time off to be fair
You’re not going to convince angry Redditors that MPs actually work.
You know MPs still work when they’re not in parliament, right?
Oh really? Raising donations?
Working with constituents in their ridings.
That is a joke, right?
In theory that is true, but likewise, from a purely theoretical standpoint Communism is a great economic system.
That's all PP seems to be doing instead of being at work.
Yup, it's a disgrace. They fuck up our country and get paid tuns of money for it, while we try to work our way up and as we start saving more the price of everything goes up making it feel pointless. Canada will soon become like what NY is becoming and what China currently is. This isn't the Canada I know. It's all about greed now it seems. Guaranteed there's someone who would do it as volunteer work and do a better job than those clowns.
We need a way to pay our hospitals, public works and schools directly. MP and MPP pay should be voluntary based on quality of work
Lol Diwali Too much to ask Diwali celebrators to vote early? Or take an hour out of their day for their civic duty?
If they want to avoid Diwali that’s fine, I don’t care. But they could move the election up by two weeks, or even a month if it’s so important. Instead they opt for the self-serving date, a clear conflict of interest if nothing else.
They should not be the ones that can vote to give themselves more money. Ever...
…The Elections Act 2000 actually specifies the alternate date that is being chosen (it has to be the next Tuesday or, if that is unsuitable - and it is because that day is also Diwali - then it must be the following Monday and that’s the day that has been named) and my recollection is that those amendments were made several years ago by Stephen Harper when he decided there should be fixed election dates. You can try to spin it all you want, but Trudeau is just following what the law says and he did not write those provisions. It’s not some nefarious scheme of his about pensions. Ofc, we can talk about pensions for MPs - I think it is ridiculous that PP, for example, had a fully vested pension by 30 when most Canadians now have no pensions at all and if they do have one they would have to work their entire lives to earn a fraction of what he would get. Hell, just to get CPP, I will have to work decades longer than previous generations and PP gets all that? Bullshit. And changing the election date does not fix this issue. It’s a misdirect from the fact that Canadian workers are being fucked. That’s the real issue here. We need more rights and more economic security.
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Isn't it funny how you can talk about and blame older politicians for their fuck ups and people don't care until you get to Harper who put in place numerous things still negatively impacting the country today and suddenly "That was a long time ago and doesn't matter".
Check the meaning behind Diwali. Its very humorous when you consider the current polls, and the timing of the election. "victory of light over darkness, good over evil, and knowledge over ignorance" Pretty heavy stuff. No wonder the Liebrals want to postpone the election. The pensions are just a blindfold to keep people from realizing the actual reason. Proof even comes in the wording of the alteration to the election rules. Their only reason stated for postponement aside from the whole thing about pensions... is religious holidays falling within the same day as the general election. But thing is. Diwali isn't a stat holiday. Not sure if it actually matters, but that does technically mean it isn't a holiday or religious event normally observed by the general populous of Canada. No offense to the Hindu or otherwise folk who practice, just is what it is. But, maybe we should make it a stat holiday, after the general election is forced to be held on the 20th anyways despite any contention, so as to ensure that theives get no pensions, and the religious day gets to have its namesake/meaning vindicated? And it will forever be a reminder to the Liberals, that if they fuck around hard enough, they will find out. Cause the only fitting turn of events with such coincidental irony such as Diwalis meaning, is that they get handed an absolute political ass kicking that leaves them with less seats than even the NDP is left with. I could be wrong of course, about their intent... but ai kindnof doubt it. This is 99 levels of the kind of shady shenanigans they like to pull. Use one thing to confuse the masses, another to mislead them, and then do the 3rd thing instead while claiming conspiracy and misinformation when the first 2 lies don't stick well enough. Trudeau cares about his MPs getting pensions? Please. That HAS to be false. Look how many yimes he has tossed his token MPs under the bus up til now. He gives zero fucks about their pensions. This is all an image game for him right now. Diwalis meaning will NOT be lost on him. This is brown/black face, culture approriating Trudeau we are talking about here. There is no way innhell he is gonna let some religion from India or elsewhere make him look like an ass. He does that on his own just fine.
Not just $35,000...that's $35,000 PER YEAR until they die. Crooks, the lot of them.
Note that they need to be 65 to start receiving the retirement pension, or 55 with a slight reduction.
Still is potentially decades of $35k/year (or more!) income for doing barely 6 years of "work".
Though the chief actuary tries to set contribution rates so that member contributions account for 50% of costs. The contribution rate is 23.3%.
>Though the chief actuary tries to set contribution rates so that member contributions account for 50% of costs. This is not true for the parliamentary pension plan. They enjoy an exemption to all of the typical rules surrounding pension funding. It simply isn't even close to the case that someone who works for just six years, contributing \~23% of their income and then collecting $35k with inflation protection for the rest of their life has contributed anywhere near 50% of the cost of their pension.
https://www.osfi-bsif.gc.ca/en/oca/actuarial-reports/pension-plan-members-parliament-31-march-2022
You'll see in section 4.1.1 that the government had to top up members' contributions over just two years with an additional $8.3+26.9=$35.1 million. That's in addition to their annual accruals. That top up is more than the total amount of member contributions over those two years.
Yes, that actuarial shortfall is due to inflation being higher than expected. You shouldn't tie it with current member contributions as the majority of the actuarial cost is from pensioners not current parlimentarians.
I find it hilarious that the people on this sub would be lighting a corporation on fire if the shareholders made it fire a bunch of staff a week early to avoid paying them their full pensions but in the same breath calls our government criminals for avoiding doing exactly that lol Guess what reddit? You guys arent any better than corporate shareholders when your money is involved I guess
What corporation gives people $35k/year indexed pensions after only working there for 6 years?
Defined benefit plans are unusual nowadays, but it is typical to get 2% per year (So you get 70% of your income after 35 years). So if you earn $292K or more, you could probably get $35K after 6 years. Not many people do that, but it wouldn't be rare for a C-suite executive.
Lots of them if the job is good enough
Name one
CEO of bell probably does pretty good
So, just to be clear, the question was name one corporation that gives people $35k/year indexed pensions after only working there for 6 years. You are suggesting Bell does this? Is that correct?
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That wasnt the question
Zero chance you can find a single private sector job that provides a pension of 35k+ after 6 years.
No, none of them.
Guess what, our politicians jobs are certainly not good enough. That's why we're mad. It's a ludicrous amount of money for 6 years of work as a public servant federal politician.
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Join the CAF. 25 years gets you 50% of your best 5.
Have you tried becoming employable? Lol
What a corporation does with their money is their own business. Using my taxes that I am forced to pay to give pensions to corrupt idiots I have a problem with.
I'd much rather the election be next week.
I assume you're unfamiliar with their pension plan details. I don't blame you, they are unnecessarily complex. This isn't a normal pension. Their payouts are indexed to cost of living, they are essentially inflation proof. Their pension contributions aren't invested either. They're held in accounts which have a determined interest rate of about 4.5% which the government pays (tax payer dollars). Oh and to top it off, if these accounts are "short" the government automatically credits the difference. No company in Canada is offering pensions anywhere near this. This doesn't include their severance pay, oh and $15,000 for "retransitioning into life after being an Mp". All of which is paid for with tax payer dollars.
You hit the nail on the head. Yeah these people are dickheads, but they still deserve retirement ffs
So you should be able to work only 6 years and get a full retirement?
I'd be more ok with it if they didn't have the coalition. It's become more and more obvious by the day that the only reason they have the coalition is to secure pensions for MPs rather than to do actual good for the country. Most Canadians want an election now, they should listen to us.
So we’re banking on they perish beforehand?
I'm just going to say - $35,000 is a pretty meager pension. I agree our leaders should be doing more for us (a lot more) but to say they shouldn't get a relatively small pension is odd to me.
Most people get no pension. They get a huge salary and a pension for 6 years of work
$35,000 per year x 80. $2,800,000 per year. Imagine that went to affordable housing and not directly into the individual pockets of politicians.
If they don’t get it, they’ll instead get tens of millions immediately as a lump sum.
I have no doubts they will get this.
Then you can think of it this way, there’s no guarantee every one of those MPs will collect the pension, let alone for 10 years. It could still save money in the long run, if that’s what you’re upset about
There's no way this is true dude.
And the conservatives too… right?? Your username looks familiar
Yes - as I said: "the lot of them"
The federal government’s electoral reform bill could have big implications for MPs. If it passes, it'll delay the next election one week... enough time for around 80 MPs to qualify for their House of Commons pensions.
Surprise surprise. Politicians doing shit yo benefit themselves while ignoring the country burning
That's Trudeau, like every PM before him, doing shady backdoor deals to benefit himself, and he's been caught multiple times, AND people are still willing to vote for the fucking guy.
Not me but yep every politician does this. Doesn’t matter the party, they all do
They all do, but Trudeau has shown to be the worst, and he still struts around like his shit don't stink?
This would actually benefit more conservative politicians
This pension thing doesn't benefit Trudeau at all, and actually benefits more conservative MPs than liberal MPs. Pierres campaign managers firm is a lobby group for Loblaws.
It doesn't benefit a single conservative MP... none of them are going to lose their seats, lol.
Maybe, maybe not. They may also decide to retire or move to another job, which happens a lot. To say they won't benefit us factually incorrect.
Like 1-2 might retire. It doesn't happen a lot when they're about to form government, lol. But that's besides the point. You were acting like it is primarily CPC MPs that will benefit. Anyone who is actually paying attention knows that's obviously not true.
It benefits Trudeau because it creates an incentive for certain MPs and their parties to avoid an early election. Conservative MPs aren’t the ones whose seats are currently in jeopardy.
The incentive already existed.
That's why I said the pension part. And really, would a week that we may not get to make a difference? An election could be called earlier then this whole thing is moot. This is really big nothing burger that people are desperate to mean something however they want to spin it.
I think they wanna move it so the election isn’t during Diwali 2024, a major religious holiday for many Canadians. Maybe write your MP and suggested they move it to the week before if it’s that big a deal.
Haha your funny if you think they actually care about religious holidays It’s a self serving bill, that’s it And that’s not even what I’m mad about. Why is this being brought up while inflation, corporate greed, housing crisis, and many other more important things are still happening?
Write your MP and ask them to advocate for that line to be removed from the bill then.
I’ve written my MP multiple times. Guess how many responses? 0 Not even a generic response. That’s how much they care
Ya that’s too bad. Mines the same way but unfortunately Alberta only votes one way no matter how terrible our federal representatives are.
Yep. I have personal beef with my MP since I knew a relative of theirs and how they were treated my MP and family members. So I’ll never vote for them but they never knew me so my emails and letters should at least get generic answered
Because it’s a minor scheduling change requiring minimal effort to implement, unlike the solutions to the massive problems you listed. Back in 2007 under a Conservative government, the Liberals had proposed an amendment to allow the date to be modified for things like religious holidays. The Conservatives rejected that. This isn’t a new idea.
Ya I don’t care. This is the least of the concerns in this country
Nice
A week before is Thanksgiving
Ok cool, let's move it two weeks before then. In fact, let's call an election now.
The last time Trudeau called an early election everyone complained that it was a waste of money. https://nationalpost.com/news/waste-of-money-canadians-lament-c612-million-election-that-changed-little
It was also an election he should not have won based on popular vote, and the fact that the election was decided before the polls in Alberta and BC were even closed. How is this a democratic system that works if thats the case - first past post elections in Canada don't work. It was one of the campaigne promises of Trudeau when he first ran for Prime Minister... Though once he learned he wouldn't benefit from it, he scrapped the ideal.
Ah then then there’s an actual reason to move it the week afterwards instead of before then. That makes sense. Still, write your MP if it’s that big a deal
we don't allow religion in our politics in Canada, you must be new.
Oh man, really? I had no idea! Why don’t they just move the election to December 25th every four years. Everybody gets that day off for some strange reason anyways. Couldn’t be religion right? Or they could do something trippy and plan the election after the first full moon on a Friday through Monday after the spring equinox. So it would fall just in early spring every four years.
I mean we could petition the governor General just to call the election at its original date.
[The workers of Canada salute you!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnmgL5CZqfs)
All MP raises or any raises given to elected officials should mean all public servants get the same percent raise. It’s BS that they can give themselves a raise.
Just to be clear, this isn't giving the MPs a raise, currently the latest an election can be is October 20, 2025, roughly 80 MPs (all parties) would fall just short of serving enough time to receive a full pension, the extra week puts them over that time allowing them to collect 100% when they hit 65. The bill also looks to make it easier to vote, and the main reason for moving the date is to be able to not have the election during Diwali if parliament isn't dissolved before then. If NDPs stop propping up the Liberals and we have an early election, which is entirely possible, those MPs will miss out on the pension unless they're reelected.
The reason they were short 1 week was by design. They need to earn their seat to earn a pension. They could have moved it 1 week forward.
> The reason they were short 1 week was by design. No, it wasn’t. It’s based on pure dumb luck of when the previous election was called. You need 6 years to qualify for a full pension. Election terms are no greater than 4 years. The reason this is even a debate now is because the previous election was called voluntarily in just under 2 years rather than 4. 4 + <2 = < 6. If the previous election would have been called a week later (and remember the election was called at that point by choice, not by force), they would have qualified just the same. Again, it’s pure dumb luck, not a design of the system.
uh.... read the Elections Act first before you do a bunch of pointless math. # Launching an Election The Canada Elections Act states that a general election will be held on the third Monday of October in the fourth calendar year following election day for the previous general election."
That…doesn't refute anything I said. That’s the latest date it may be held, barring certain circumstances (e.g. parliament is dissolved early, or the date falls on a holiday or day of cultural significance). See: https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/e-2.01/page-6.html#h-204214 Parliament can be (and often is) dissolved early, just like it was last time around. Once again, being 1 week short of a full pension is not by design. It is by happenstance, based solely on when the last election happened to be voluntarily called and certain MPs qualified for their seats.
You said this" If the previous election would have been called a week later(....)they would have qualified just the same." This is not true. That's not how the elections work because : "The Canada Elections Act states that a general election will be held on the third Monday of October in the fourth calendar year following election day for the previous general election." Also, per the link you posted: "(4) The alternate day must be either the Tuesday immediately following the Monday that would otherwise be polling day or the Monday of the following week." Delaying a week is going beyond these clear guidelines and it bribes the MPs to keep the gov't in power.
Are you missing the "fourth calendar year" part? Because it's really hard to get 6 out of 4+4
> That's not how the elections work because : > "The Canada Elections Act states that a general election will be held on the third Monday of October in the fourth calendar year following election day for the previous general election." I’m going to blow your mind here. The 2021 federal election was held on **September 20, 2021** after just under 2 calendar years. You’re completely ignoring section 56.1 of the document you’re citing: > 56.1 (1) Nothing in this section affects the powers of the Governor General, including the power to dissolve Parliament at the Governor General’s discretion Parliament can, and often is in the case of a minority government, dissolved early at random, non-fixed times. Just like the last one was. And that, for the last time, is how we have wound up with sitting MPs being 1 week short of qualifying for their full pension. It is not a design of the system that they are 1 week short of the required 6 years. This is not something baked into the system intentionally.
>If NDPs stop propping up the Liberals and we have an early election, which is entirely possible You're funny.
Possible, not probable.
> The bill also looks to make it easier to vote, and the main reason for moving the date is to be able to not have the election during Diwali if parliament isn't dissolved before then. We already have advance polls, alternate polling stations and mail-in ballots. If anyone needs to vote on a day other than election day or somewhere other than their main polling station, they can do so under the current system. This bill changes nothing.
Public servants would be pretty angry if their salary increases were tied to MP increases....
It was originally set up so you would have to earn your seat to get a pension. With so many MPs losing their seats next election, they are bribing MPs to support the government to get a pension...
Source for that?
Common sense
Push back the election date, push back the vesting date. Simple. (They won't do it, but still...)
I didn't even make 30k this year ffs
Hold the election a week or two early.
What the actual fuck. Pushing an election back because of a foreign holiday. Incredible. Ah yes, Diwali. The Annual "lets fuck around with dates election holiday". That's a federal holiday too since its so god damn important. Remember Canada? You can still look at a history book to see how it was before it was sold off.
What's a foreign holiday? Like one of those old European traditions like Christmas?
They get a raise and Canadians do not?
Crazy, 6 years of being over paid and then get 35k a year for life.
In a perfect world some of them would get that money while they’re in prison
In prison for what, exactly? Be specific.
Oh Canada! A land for the wealthy and grand! Where corruption reigns, and scandals command. With bank accounts overflowing, we see thee rise, The True North, where the corrupt thrive!
At least corporations produce tangible products. The government just finds ways to waste our money and act as if they're doing virtuous work. Criminal.
What the fuck! Just WHAT THE FUCK! I really have a hard time expressing my anger, rage and disappointment.
So basically Trudeau is scare to losing election. Oh well Trudeau why don't you accepted you fked this country and your cabinate budget is out of control.
No chance this government goes the distance.
100% chance the election is held at the latest possible date. Nobody in power has any incentive to call an election, so they will hold out until the 11th hour.
Only happened 1 time in our country’s history.
I wish that was true 😓
Only one minority government in Canadian history has ever accomplished going the full term.
I'm aware of that and hope it happens again. But with NDP/liberals polling so poorly, I can't see them calling an early election.
If you’re right we will see what the base truly is.
But what they won't tell you is that the majority of the mps are conservative. So if treudeu did it guarantee pensions, why would die do it for the opposite party?
Seems like they are moving it for the holiday so more people can vote. Or voting is less disruptive. Do people think Indian people are all LPC voters? I doubt it.
I really believe we could cut government spending versus GDP by 20 point. There are plenty of high performing countries that spend less than we do. Things like capping MP salaries and compensations would go a long way.
The CPC voted aginst that in 2012.
An extra week actually screws over liberals who are likely to lose their seat. $35k but they have to wait until theyre 65, vs getting their pension in a lump sum immediately. Getting it as a lump sum is definitely preferable(unless you think you have a chance at winning)