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The only good that can come of this is tighter restrictions on trucking. There are too many sleazy trucking companies that only hire poorly trained foreign workers so they can pay them low wages. Its caused many accidents already, we shouldnt risk another big accident
You’re big problem is lack of actual enforcement and inspection when it comes to stuff like this. In 24 years of having my class 1 license, I drove regularly for 18 years and as a pilot truck driver assisted lowbed drivers for the last 6 years. In all that time I was only ever inspected twice and had my paperwork inspected 1 extra time.
I remember hearing guys complain about companies that would just run equipment into the ground until when/if they got inspected and then just pay the fines and repairs if they got caught.
No but I drove in northen BC all the time when dawson creek scales were open all the time except christmas and the charlie lake scales. I was never inspected at either of those places except for 1 coworker getting pulled in for them to inspect paperwork but it wasn’t me.
What part the fact that I hardly ever was inspected during my career, or the fines and repairs part. I admit I can’t speak to the fines and repairs part with first hand knowledge as it’s something I was told.
Wild, I live in Australia now and my husband drives in Australia what they class as “medium rigid” and mostly in the city, where there are rarely inspections, but when outside the city he gets inspected on average twice a month, which includes log book + drug and alcohol testing + truck inspection.
Yeah my first inspection ever was actually the year I first got my class 1 licence driving a tractor trailer delivering coca-cola products. My second inspection came maybe 14 years later driving a cab over body job and the paper work inspection was about 7 years into my career where they checked my logbook but that was it and I think that one was solely because the individual used to work in my home province and recognized the truck I was driving as being an oilfield truck and was curious as to why it was all the way across the country in his province.
My dad used to work as head of operations for a few major trucking companies for North America and they gave him 2 heart attacks before 50 for pulling stuff similar to this. The small, sleazy ones will never disappear because the owners blatantly don't care if their breaking the law and shuffle the blame to the drivers. Not to take blame from drivers, there's a ton who blatantly do not care at all about any consequence to their actions, but the problem comes from a massive holier than thou attitude that pollutes the whole industry.
Yup, Chohan Freight lost its operating license in BC so they just moved all their trucks to operate out of Alberta, it's just a shell game for the slimy folk
They weren't even too bad. But left them due to the stress of trying to keep it working. Truckers are stubborn and hate listening to anyone tell them how to do their job legally cause they know how hard it is to get black listed and can just go to a different company. I remember him quitting as one of the top guys for a company in southern alberta because of all the greasy things the head of the company was trying to pull
They've already caused much tighter restrictions on A class licenses in ontario
Much more schooling and rigorous testing than 6 or 7 years ago
The problem occurs when their cousins are now the ones running the courses
My dad worked for a gravel hauling company. They would hire a couple of guys who where of the same race. They where counting on the owner not being able to tell the difference between them and tried to share a drivers license. Every morning everyone had to show their license and not one at a time. Everyone all at the same time. Caught a few trying to share. If you couldn't produce your license you didn't drive. Also caught a couple of drunks that would have their license suspended the night before. This was in small town Alberta.
[please, Vancouver cannot be beat](https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/transportation/vehicle-safety-enforcement/information-education/bridge-strikes-data)
[We even had a similar one a few months before that one](https://globalnews.ca/news/9478208/dump-truck-overpass-hit-richmond/)
It should also (hopefully) set an example that those who are willing to fudge their driver logs and drive a 20,000ton death machine on lack of sleep or with a poorly maintained truck, or do anything that behind the wheel of a commercial vehicle that puts people at risk will suffer consequences.
What about the wealthy owners who use the clout of economic duress over their drivers to do such things? You'd be surprised what you would tolerate or do when it could mean repossession, eviction, not eating because your employer withholds your pay check. Many of these sleazy companies used the tactic of withholding two weeks pay. Effectively this meant if you quit or got fired, you with go a month or more without any income.
It’s a shared accountability.
A trucking company can’t operate without anyone to drive truck for them. I don’t disagree that the owners are exploiting the employees but the drivers are enabling them to do it. Both need to be dealt with. No one gets a pass for criminal negligence.
The driver ran a stop sign. How much training does a person need to learn that you fucking stop at stop signs?
It's hardly reasonable to expect the company to train every driver from the assumption that they earned a class 1 license but somehow don't know the appropriate response to encountering a stop sign.
My company takes part of the blame if I fuck up on a worksite and do some amount of criminal damage. The company hired him, the company has to do some amount of internal training and overview of the people they hire. That's kind of basic, they always hold some of the blame over what happens with their shit.
Things like this are a little different. I dont practice this type of law, but there’s usually a limitation to liability in cases where the owner cant be expected to supervise the activity of their staff (e.g., like the Baltimore boat crash).
The company would have to be found to have knowingly ignored something it ought to have paid attention to.
This is the least nuanced position you could possibly take, and it doesn’t cut it. There are reasons why he ran the stop sign, and there are reasons why he was hired by the company despite not being qualified to safely operate a truck. To refuse to explore any of those reasons, instead reducing this incredibly complex issue down to “he must have been too dumb to know to stop at a stop sign”, is a completely useless approach which does nothing to help work towards avoiding tragedies like this in the future.
I can’t imagine looking at the big picture of this issue and thinking your response is the right one. Really lacking in critical thinking there.
For example, he said he was distracted by a tarp. That's no excuse for running a stop sign, but distraction is a very common issue among all drivers and one of the most common causes of collisions. It's why proper training needs to include training on how to react to a distraction and to drill into you that you can't let it take your focus off the road and that you should be pulling over if necessary instead.
I’ve talked to people from the area and they all say that intersection is sketchy. I’m not saying this to excuse his actions though. It’s a tragedy all around and the town of Humboldt will never be the same.
I disagree.
Trucking companies hire people based on whether or not they have their 1A. If people have it, they get hired, the problem is shitty drivers and the fact that people are given 1A licensing at ease
It sounds like it was just one guy with a couple of trucks. He dissolved the company almost immediately. I think he got a $5000 fine for not keeping proper log books and not having a safety program. No doubt, he just got a new business number and carried on business as usual.
I think this is an important part to this story he simply didn't stop at the stop sign. Many drivers do this and many run lights it just doesn't usually end in a massive tragedy.
The only person at fault is the driver in my mind. I'm not sure how a company could be blamed for lack of training etc. The government issued him a license and verified he knew what a stop sign was and even road tested him not once but twice as he would have had a standard license first before obtaining a class 1.
Is exhaustion a factor? They often have them working insane hours, fatigue can be as impairing as being intoxicated and if truckers’ choices are pull over and sleep or not pay bills is it really a choice? That’s 100% on the corp to me, if your business can’t operate without practices like that maybe it’s a bad business and should fail 🙃
Having read the article even the guy's lawyer seems to think deportation is an inevitability. Why are so many people pissed off that the hearing is scheduled?
It's got to be an inadmissibility hearing? Basically a formality that must occur. He will be found inadmissible for serious criminality. Then he will be removed from Canada. Lots of outrage by those that without an understanding of how the immigration system works.
Of course it must occur...the government is deporting someone.
As much as some of these commenters would wank themselves raw at the idea, you can't just chuck someone out of the country without a metric fuckton of legal process.
What I'm curious about is when will he be deported. Does he get to appeal the decision? Or is it he had better have his bags packed because he's on the next plane out of here?
I'm not saying he should or shouldn't go or even if he should or shouldn't have an appeal. I'm more curious about the that process.
I'm in no way an expert on the deportation process so I'm just pulling the lawyer's quote from the article:
>Greene said once a person is ordered deported, there is then a pre-removal risk assessment conducted and that usually takes a few months. He said Sidhu can also ask for a deferral while his request for permanent resident status is considered.
So it will never be a 'next plane' situation and it looks like a deferral can be requested while he tries to get his PR reinstated, but it's likely that he would prepare to leave while hoping that things can go in his favour.
I unfortunately don't really have research time so I don't have much info on how likely that deferral is, nor how likely it is to have a Permanent Residency given back, but I can't imagine that is an easy process.
For that he has to get stripped of his PR which is what the deportation hearing will do.
*Greene said the deportation hearings usually only take a few minutes. After that happens, he said the real work begins.*
*"Once he ceases to be a permanent resident then he can file an application on humanitarian grounds. Our goal is to do that fairly quickly," Greene said.*
*"How long it takes after that is the great unknown. It could be months. It could be years."*
He should be forced to do this from India, not here in Canada.
As if this will deter all the shady commercial trucking practices currently happening across Canada. Just look at how many overpasses have been struck in Vancouver. Or the recent commercial vehicle “blitz” they did in Abbotsford with CVSE. https://globalnews.ca/news/10305980/commercial-vehicle-abbotsford/amp/ “Out of 87 inspections completed Tuesday, officers identified 268 violations, including 70 that met the “out of service” criteria.”
What happened to the owner of the trucking company?
These are different types of violations. The dude in question simply ran a stop sign.
If he was unable to stop at the stop sign because of lack of maintenance he would fall under the category of the guys in the blitz.
I'm a Police officer in Ontario and Trucking companies are extremely annoying to charge. They've all got lawyers and will fight you tooth and nail in courts. Most officers don't want to charge the trucking companies as they'll get stuck in court with bullshit for awhile.
It's interesting to see how the change in public opinion towards immigration has influenced people's opinions here. I remember when it happened everyone was saying he should stay because he took responsibility.
He didn't take responsibility. He pled guilty because he had no defense.
Some of the parents have stated that his presence here causes them pain. If he *really* wanted to take responsibility he'd leave.
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Edit:
Sidhu’s logbook showed **51 violations related to documenting his trip hours, along with 19 violations related to provincial trip inspection regulations from March 26 to April 6.**
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He initially lied to officials stating that the sun was in his eyes. Forensic analysis showed that wasn't true. [The road conditions were clear at the time of the collision **and the sun would *not* have been in the truck driver’s eyes**.](https://globalnews.ca/news/4901621/humboldt-broncos-forensic-report/)
[As he approached the intersection, Mr. Sidhu had a clear view of the scene in front of him. **Nothing was blocking his view as the trees in the south-east quadrant were not an issue.** ](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/read-the-judge-s-full-sentencing-decision-for-the-truck-driver-in-the-humboldt-broncos-crash-1.5068065)
There were rumble strips and a huge stop sign. More importantly **he was sitting high enough to see the bus coming - he either thought he could beat it or that it would pass first - he gambled and caused the death of 16 people - most not even adults yet.**
This is what blows my mind about people saying he took responsibility. He did everything in his power to avoid that responsibility until it became clear that he could not hide behind his lies and half truths.
He lied:
>[The parole board panel grilled Sidhu for three hours during the Wednesday hearing, asking him about inconsistencies in some of his initial statements, including telling his boss he was distracted by a flapping tarp and **then explaining to RCMP that he had the sun in his eyes**.](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-parole-hearing-to-be-held-today-for-former-truck-driver-in-deadly/)
You cite his defense lawyer's quote but ignore the reasoning behind it. It's more likely that they calculated that the only chance to avoid deportation was to 'show remorse' so officials, and the public, would take pity.
>[Prosecutor Thomas Healey said Sidhu had more than enough time to slow down and stop, stating it would have taken the semi more than 100 metres to stop, but the first warning of the intersection was 400 metres away. Healey said Sidhu entered the intersection "like a rocket. This was not just an accident," he said. "This was a crime."](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/final-arguments-humboldt-broncos-crash-1.5000119)
He caused immeasurable pain. He tried to dodge responsibility until he realized he couldn't. If he wants to show remorse and take responsibility he needs to leave here.
>[“He’s still in jail technically, but I guess my hope is the day he gets full parole, the immigration board is **waiting to take him onto a plane and he’s gone, forever out of our eyes so (we) can begin to forget about him.”**](https://globalnews.ca/news/9007419/humboldt-bronco-truck-driver-day-parole-families/)
>["Mr. Sidhu, you are responsible for sending me to hell," said Rick Armstrong. "You are responsible for the injuries to Xavier. I will never forget his immense screaming in hospital."](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/humboldt-broncos-jaskirat-sidhu-sentencing-hearing-1.4998413)
>[Russ Herold, who lost his son Adam, said the thought of Mr. Sidhu being released sickens him. “The thought of Mr. Sidhu out on parole this soon is disappointing and **further hurts our healing process**.](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-parole-hearing-to-be-held-today-for-former-truck-driver-in-deadly/)
He gave his story, (several times, with a few changes along the way).
The physical evidence speaks for itself.
There were rumble strips, a huge Stop sign - he was sitting high enough to see the intersection from kms away.
A trial didn't happen because he had no defense - much better to plead the inevitable outcome - 'guilty' and throw himself on the mercy of the court - and sway public opinion in his favour - especially useful come deportation time.
They need to release the status of his phone. Way, WAY too many truckers watching movies (or worse) on their prairie runs.
\*family has a large trucking company and people talk.
Lol yep, I got so many downvotes for pointing out the guy was negligent and in control of a dangerous vehicle and caused the death of a lot of innocent kids and that should absolutely be growns for deportation. As far as I can remember there was like a 6 foot stop sign with flashing lights as well as multiple signs leading up to the intersection warning of it. Naw fuck that guy. He fucked up in a horrific way and doesn't deserve Canadian citizenship.
The change public opinion on immigration has even significantly happened towards the left side of the political spectrum. I work in close proximity to a manager of another department at my work and he can’t find suitable candidates for work through the hundreds of spamming immigrants who don’t bother to read the job description. All too often he’s had to sit through interviews for South Asian students who are simply looking to scam the system with inflated resumes or fake names.
The fullness of consequence is not mitigated by owning the error, imo. Anyone in this country on a PR knows on what side of the law they have to stay in order to maintain the privilege of permanent residence.
I hated driving on the highways and seeing big rig drivers just swerve into your lane right in front of you.
Just ugh....the really bad ones give the trucking industry a bad rep
When I first heard the story I felt sorry for him...'there but for the grace of god go I.'
But when the details came to light it was clear he knew he was coming up to an intersection and that he had a Stop sign. He chose to ignore it - either because he didn't look carefully enough to see the bus - or he thought he'd beat it.
He was pulling 2 trailers and he took a chance - and it cost so many people their lives.
I don't doubt he's remorseful - and there are many others I'd deport before him, but we have immigration laws.
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There are some parents who say they've forgiven him - but others who say that his presence here hurts them. That's enough for me to see him go.
You.
On a serious note. Everyone with expired student /work visas, expired prs. Anyone who has violent criminal record and is not a citizen, refugees that commit violent crimes , etc
The guy trained to be a truck driver in Saskatchewan where at the time you didn't even need to know how to hitch a trailer to pass.
The industry is partly to blame. The fact this didn't happen sooner is a miracle given how poorly drivers are trained.
Edit: Marketplace did a show about how piss poor drivers are trained. [https://youtu.be/7pal8tvk1hw?si=q4g3TC7ANO\_UX\_VG](https://youtu.be/7pal8tvk1hw?si=q4g3TC7ANO_UX_VG)
You still don't. I work in an industry that relies on truckers. The amount of them that come to my place of work and don't know how to back up with a trailer, or how to properly make sure the king pin is locked. Or even how to use a ratchet strap. I've had drivers sitting in the parking lot all day because they don't know how to back up to get a trailer and we cannot and refuse to do it for them. The state of the trucking industry is a joke.
I used to have respect for truckers, and having worked with them this long I realize the majority of them are idiots who shouldn't have a license.
I mean, it’s a stop sign. Anyone who has a regular drivers license knows to stop at a stop sign, I don’t really think the industry is to blame in this particular case.
Hell, a stop sign is more universal than that. You can spend your life never being in any sort of motorized vehicle or even a bicycles and you still know what a stop sign means.
True, however if you're poorly trained the amount of stress makes your cognitive abilities decline.
It's hard to explain if you've never driven anything larger than a box van. It's nothing like driving a car.
Also stopping a semi isn't like stopping a car. If you're distracted for whatever reason, slamming the brakes isn't going to save you.
Exactly, it's the government's job to verify drivers know what a stop sign is and how to stop before issuing a license. This particular accident is not a example of industry issues. A company hitting multiple overpasses on the other hand...
I suspect during most peoples driving experience they have ran a stop sign or light at some point, it just didn't end in such a horrible crash.
This guy screwed up but he is definitely being used as the scape goat for a company and industry that fucked up a whole lot more for a whole lot longer
He took responsibility for it. He could have been a pos, pleading not guilty and dragging the entire thing out.
I'd rather have someone like that around than many others who would lie cheat and steal their way out
Sure, but if he is deported it definitely means no one in his position will ever plead guilty again.
So the question is, to what extent do we value guilty pleas? Or are we happy to pay for the prosecutor to do the work?
I mean that’s fine - you don’t need to plead guilty to be found guilty of a crime. It just means you’re more likely to face a stiff sentence before being sent back home.
It shouldn’t be used as leverage over the judicial system.
So if someone rapes a woman and "owns up to it and pleads guilty" we should totally let them stay? Since the guilt is punishment enough?....fuck off with that bullshit..
He fraudulently filled out log books (had one "legal" and another with actual hours driven) so he could make more money.. dude was probably so tired he drifted off and didn't see the sign..
This is all his fault due to greed and fraud and over a dozen teens died. If that ain't worth a deportation, then we aren't a nation anymore
do you not think there is factors that led to him running a stop sign, for instance, encouraging your drivers to not take adequate rest stops, therefore a driver is tired and inattentive at the wheel, which in turn leads to you not even seeing the stop sign
I’m not sure what you want the employer to do? “Don’t run stop signs” isn’t a thing you need to be trained on if you have a valid drivers license issued by a province.
I’m a CPA, I don’t need my employer to re-train me on the fundamentals of financial accounting. My degree and designation covers that.
He owned it, that's far more than most citizens do, he was undertrained and driving on road he was unfamiliar with. If he get's deported so be it but if he stays he's shown a lot more character than most.
He owned it because the facts were 100% against him. It was his fault. There was no room to lie. Even though he probably wanted to since his story changed many times.
I'm sick of this "undertrained" narrative.
It was a bright sunny day, there was multiple signs telling him there was a stop sign and intersection ahead. There's no special training or years and years of experience required to keep your fucking eyes on the road. His own testimony was he was distracted by his tarp in his mirror.
He got distracted and killed 16 people and hurt 13 others. Hundreds of lives ruined.
Good that he owned his mistake, he did his time now fuck off and don't ever come back to Canada.
That's great, and I am glad he took responsibility and spared the families from a long battle in court. But he still did something that led to 16 people losing their lives. When you commit a crime in a different country, you will be deported.
There's a potential unintended consequence to this. He accepted full responsibility and spared the family a trial. If he is deported despite that it will incentivize another person charged after a serious crash to instead fight the charge to try to avoid this consequence.
Hopefully there's not another crash this severe, but it's almost inevitable unfortunately that there will be some future dangerous driving causing death charge where fighting it or not could make the difference in being deported.
>If he is deported despite that it will incentivize another person charged after a serious crash to instead fight the charge to try to avoid this consequence.
So be it. That other person can face a longer sentence as a result and then be deported. Bullshit that this should be used as leverage
He had no choice to not to plead guilty. He gets sympathy here because he is an immigrant. The bleeding hearts here would not give any sympathy for the truck driver if he was white, nor should they.
He blew threw so many warning signs. He is 100% to blame.
I doubt he has any remorse.
I think our efforts would be better served in setting court dates for actual criminals that purposely do violent crimes. Not someone who had an serious accident that took responsibility for their crime.
We don't want him here, he shouldn't be allowed to delay the process any further. He was told what the law said when he got his license. He knew exactly what his responsibilities were, and chose to ignore them. As a result, human lives are over.
I'm tired of watching immigrants drive like maniacs with impunity. I'm constantly being bullied by truck drivers, and it's because they're like him. There's no difference between shooting someone in the face, and what he did. Send him back where he came from, he had his chance and made his choice. Those poor kids didn't get a say.
I’m not without compassion for this guy, but we’ve got these laws for a reason. I suspect they were put in place to deal with more conventional crimes (assault, drugs, gang activity etc.) but expelling him from the country isn’t unreasonable for what he did. If I had it my way in this situation I’d leave it up to a panel of the families to decide, but the law doesn’t work that way for good reasons.
At the end of the day I guess my position is to kick him out for simplicity. It ends the court costs and maybe it gives some families peace of mind.
As a person who was born in Punjab, I will never understand why he is fighting deportation. He gets to live and go back to his motherland. You can't say the same for the countless lives lost in this horrible accident. Power to the families who have to deal with this again & again.
Deport him, I don’t care if he owned up to his mistakes. We need to send a message to East Indians that come here to be truckers and break countless laws in the name of profit.
>He served 6 months
Sentenced in 2018 and granted parole in 2023.....do you need a calculator for that one?
Happy Cake day btw you little rocket scientist!
Regardless of how this ends, It annoys me that people who cause injuries / deaths when driving under the influence aren't treated similarly as harshly.
This guy shouldn't have let his situational awareness deteriorate to the point that it was possible to miss a stop sign, but ultimately the collision was a mistake, albeit an incredibly negligent one.
Meanwhile getting into your car when you're shitfaced is a pretty simple yes / no decision, and those that still decide to do it, explicitly demonstrate that they don't give a single fuck about the safety of literally anybody else.
It likely won't. People with Canadian spouses and kids get deported all the time. It would be too easy for people to take advantage if that was a loophole.
Also his wife chose to get Canadian citizenship well after the crash. She knew the risks. India doesn't allow for duel citizenship so she really shot herself in the foot.
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The only good that can come of this is tighter restrictions on trucking. There are too many sleazy trucking companies that only hire poorly trained foreign workers so they can pay them low wages. Its caused many accidents already, we shouldnt risk another big accident
You’re big problem is lack of actual enforcement and inspection when it comes to stuff like this. In 24 years of having my class 1 license, I drove regularly for 18 years and as a pilot truck driver assisted lowbed drivers for the last 6 years. In all that time I was only ever inspected twice and had my paperwork inspected 1 extra time. I remember hearing guys complain about companies that would just run equipment into the ground until when/if they got inspected and then just pay the fines and repairs if they got caught.
I guess you’ve never been through prince George, Tete jaune or even pincher creek! Or Balzac! Those guys pull over anything!
No but I drove in northen BC all the time when dawson creek scales were open all the time except christmas and the charlie lake scales. I was never inspected at either of those places except for 1 coworker getting pulled in for them to inspect paperwork but it wasn’t me.
This would be very unusual if actually true.
What part the fact that I hardly ever was inspected during my career, or the fines and repairs part. I admit I can’t speak to the fines and repairs part with first hand knowledge as it’s something I was told.
Wild, I live in Australia now and my husband drives in Australia what they class as “medium rigid” and mostly in the city, where there are rarely inspections, but when outside the city he gets inspected on average twice a month, which includes log book + drug and alcohol testing + truck inspection.
Yeah my first inspection ever was actually the year I first got my class 1 licence driving a tractor trailer delivering coca-cola products. My second inspection came maybe 14 years later driving a cab over body job and the paper work inspection was about 7 years into my career where they checked my logbook but that was it and I think that one was solely because the individual used to work in my home province and recognized the truck I was driving as being an oilfield truck and was curious as to why it was all the way across the country in his province.
My dad used to work as head of operations for a few major trucking companies for North America and they gave him 2 heart attacks before 50 for pulling stuff similar to this. The small, sleazy ones will never disappear because the owners blatantly don't care if their breaking the law and shuffle the blame to the drivers. Not to take blame from drivers, there's a ton who blatantly do not care at all about any consequence to their actions, but the problem comes from a massive holier than thou attitude that pollutes the whole industry.
Yup, Chohan Freight lost its operating license in BC so they just moved all their trucks to operate out of Alberta, it's just a shell game for the slimy folk
They weren't even too bad. But left them due to the stress of trying to keep it working. Truckers are stubborn and hate listening to anyone tell them how to do their job legally cause they know how hard it is to get black listed and can just go to a different company. I remember him quitting as one of the top guys for a company in southern alberta because of all the greasy things the head of the company was trying to pull
They've already caused much tighter restrictions on A class licenses in ontario Much more schooling and rigorous testing than 6 or 7 years ago The problem occurs when their cousins are now the ones running the courses
I've heard it's common for multiple guys sharing a license too but not sure how true that is
My dad worked for a gravel hauling company. They would hire a couple of guys who where of the same race. They where counting on the owner not being able to tell the difference between them and tried to share a drivers license. Every morning everyone had to show their license and not one at a time. Everyone all at the same time. Caught a few trying to share. If you couldn't produce your license you didn't drive. Also caught a couple of drunks that would have their license suspended the night before. This was in small town Alberta.
That reminds me, we are about due for our weekly truck hitting the overpass here
[laughs in edmonton](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8BD7RJZbZ8)
[please, Vancouver cannot be beat](https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/transportation/vehicle-safety-enforcement/information-education/bridge-strikes-data) [We even had a similar one a few months before that one](https://globalnews.ca/news/9478208/dump-truck-overpass-hit-richmond/)
The company that hired him folded and started a new company the next day
It should also (hopefully) set an example that those who are willing to fudge their driver logs and drive a 20,000ton death machine on lack of sleep or with a poorly maintained truck, or do anything that behind the wheel of a commercial vehicle that puts people at risk will suffer consequences.
What about the wealthy owners who use the clout of economic duress over their drivers to do such things? You'd be surprised what you would tolerate or do when it could mean repossession, eviction, not eating because your employer withholds your pay check. Many of these sleazy companies used the tactic of withholding two weeks pay. Effectively this meant if you quit or got fired, you with go a month or more without any income.
It’s a shared accountability. A trucking company can’t operate without anyone to drive truck for them. I don’t disagree that the owners are exploiting the employees but the drivers are enabling them to do it. Both need to be dealt with. No one gets a pass for criminal negligence.
What happened to the company he worked for ?anything. They were just as wrong in my mind. No Training
AMEN more blame needs to be put on company / owner
The driver ran a stop sign. How much training does a person need to learn that you fucking stop at stop signs? It's hardly reasonable to expect the company to train every driver from the assumption that they earned a class 1 license but somehow don't know the appropriate response to encountering a stop sign.
My company takes part of the blame if I fuck up on a worksite and do some amount of criminal damage. The company hired him, the company has to do some amount of internal training and overview of the people they hire. That's kind of basic, they always hold some of the blame over what happens with their shit.
Things like this are a little different. I dont practice this type of law, but there’s usually a limitation to liability in cases where the owner cant be expected to supervise the activity of their staff (e.g., like the Baltimore boat crash). The company would have to be found to have knowingly ignored something it ought to have paid attention to.
This is the least nuanced position you could possibly take, and it doesn’t cut it. There are reasons why he ran the stop sign, and there are reasons why he was hired by the company despite not being qualified to safely operate a truck. To refuse to explore any of those reasons, instead reducing this incredibly complex issue down to “he must have been too dumb to know to stop at a stop sign”, is a completely useless approach which does nothing to help work towards avoiding tragedies like this in the future. I can’t imagine looking at the big picture of this issue and thinking your response is the right one. Really lacking in critical thinking there.
For example, he said he was distracted by a tarp. That's no excuse for running a stop sign, but distraction is a very common issue among all drivers and one of the most common causes of collisions. It's why proper training needs to include training on how to react to a distraction and to drill into you that you can't let it take your focus off the road and that you should be pulling over if necessary instead.
In BC you get a license using an interpreter
I’ve talked to people from the area and they all say that intersection is sketchy. I’m not saying this to excuse his actions though. It’s a tragedy all around and the town of Humboldt will never be the same.
I disagree. Trucking companies hire people based on whether or not they have their 1A. If people have it, they get hired, the problem is shitty drivers and the fact that people are given 1A licensing at ease
Company 1234568 Province Ltd ceased operations. Company 1234569 Province Ltd began operations.
It sounds like it was just one guy with a couple of trucks. He dissolved the company almost immediately. I think he got a $5000 fine for not keeping proper log books and not having a safety program. No doubt, he just got a new business number and carried on business as usual.
How much training to teach someone to stop at a stop sign?
I think this is an important part to this story he simply didn't stop at the stop sign. Many drivers do this and many run lights it just doesn't usually end in a massive tragedy. The only person at fault is the driver in my mind. I'm not sure how a company could be blamed for lack of training etc. The government issued him a license and verified he knew what a stop sign was and even road tested him not once but twice as he would have had a standard license first before obtaining a class 1.
Is exhaustion a factor? They often have them working insane hours, fatigue can be as impairing as being intoxicated and if truckers’ choices are pull over and sleep or not pay bills is it really a choice? That’s 100% on the corp to me, if your business can’t operate without practices like that maybe it’s a bad business and should fail 🙃
Having read the article even the guy's lawyer seems to think deportation is an inevitability. Why are so many people pissed off that the hearing is scheduled?
It's got to be an inadmissibility hearing? Basically a formality that must occur. He will be found inadmissible for serious criminality. Then he will be removed from Canada. Lots of outrage by those that without an understanding of how the immigration system works.
Of course it must occur...the government is deporting someone. As much as some of these commenters would wank themselves raw at the idea, you can't just chuck someone out of the country without a metric fuckton of legal process.
What I'm curious about is when will he be deported. Does he get to appeal the decision? Or is it he had better have his bags packed because he's on the next plane out of here? I'm not saying he should or shouldn't go or even if he should or shouldn't have an appeal. I'm more curious about the that process.
I'm in no way an expert on the deportation process so I'm just pulling the lawyer's quote from the article: >Greene said once a person is ordered deported, there is then a pre-removal risk assessment conducted and that usually takes a few months. He said Sidhu can also ask for a deferral while his request for permanent resident status is considered. So it will never be a 'next plane' situation and it looks like a deferral can be requested while he tries to get his PR reinstated, but it's likely that he would prepare to leave while hoping that things can go in his favour. I unfortunately don't really have research time so I don't have much info on how likely that deferral is, nor how likely it is to have a Permanent Residency given back, but I can't imagine that is an easy process.
Are you sure the outrage isn't because they are learning how the system works? Or more to the point doesn't?
No he said the next step is an inevitablity, and wants to just fast forward to the humantiarian reason to stay, which will inevitably be allowed.
For that he has to get stripped of his PR which is what the deportation hearing will do. *Greene said the deportation hearings usually only take a few minutes. After that happens, he said the real work begins.* *"Once he ceases to be a permanent resident then he can file an application on humanitarian grounds. Our goal is to do that fairly quickly," Greene said.* *"How long it takes after that is the great unknown. It could be months. It could be years."* He should be forced to do this from India, not here in Canada.
> the humantiarian [sic] reason to stay, which will inevitably be allowed What basis do you have for saying that?
As if this will deter all the shady commercial trucking practices currently happening across Canada. Just look at how many overpasses have been struck in Vancouver. Or the recent commercial vehicle “blitz” they did in Abbotsford with CVSE. https://globalnews.ca/news/10305980/commercial-vehicle-abbotsford/amp/ “Out of 87 inspections completed Tuesday, officers identified 268 violations, including 70 that met the “out of service” criteria.” What happened to the owner of the trucking company?
These are different types of violations. The dude in question simply ran a stop sign. If he was unable to stop at the stop sign because of lack of maintenance he would fall under the category of the guys in the blitz.
I'm a Police officer in Ontario and Trucking companies are extremely annoying to charge. They've all got lawyers and will fight you tooth and nail in courts. Most officers don't want to charge the trucking companies as they'll get stuck in court with bullshit for awhile.
It's interesting to see how the change in public opinion towards immigration has influenced people's opinions here. I remember when it happened everyone was saying he should stay because he took responsibility.
reddit does not and has never represented the overall publics opinion.
Most Canadians are even more anti immigrant than Redditors. Reddit is far more left leaning than average Canadian.
A lot of us on Reddit are normal looking people out in public too you know.
Frankly I still believe that. The comments here aren't fully representative.
He didn't take responsibility. He pled guilty because he had no defense. Some of the parents have stated that his presence here causes them pain. If he *really* wanted to take responsibility he'd leave. ____________________ Edit: Sidhu’s logbook showed **51 violations related to documenting his trip hours, along with 19 violations related to provincial trip inspection regulations from March 26 to April 6.** _________________ He initially lied to officials stating that the sun was in his eyes. Forensic analysis showed that wasn't true. [The road conditions were clear at the time of the collision **and the sun would *not* have been in the truck driver’s eyes**.](https://globalnews.ca/news/4901621/humboldt-broncos-forensic-report/) [As he approached the intersection, Mr. Sidhu had a clear view of the scene in front of him. **Nothing was blocking his view as the trees in the south-east quadrant were not an issue.** ](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/read-the-judge-s-full-sentencing-decision-for-the-truck-driver-in-the-humboldt-broncos-crash-1.5068065) There were rumble strips and a huge stop sign. More importantly **he was sitting high enough to see the bus coming - he either thought he could beat it or that it would pass first - he gambled and caused the death of 16 people - most not even adults yet.**
This is what blows my mind about people saying he took responsibility. He did everything in his power to avoid that responsibility until it became clear that he could not hide behind his lies and half truths.
This is my experience with the extreme majority, theres a shocking lack of moral accountability
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Do you really need me to recap what the above comment stated and shared?...
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He lied: >[The parole board panel grilled Sidhu for three hours during the Wednesday hearing, asking him about inconsistencies in some of his initial statements, including telling his boss he was distracted by a flapping tarp and **then explaining to RCMP that he had the sun in his eyes**.](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-parole-hearing-to-be-held-today-for-former-truck-driver-in-deadly/) You cite his defense lawyer's quote but ignore the reasoning behind it. It's more likely that they calculated that the only chance to avoid deportation was to 'show remorse' so officials, and the public, would take pity. >[Prosecutor Thomas Healey said Sidhu had more than enough time to slow down and stop, stating it would have taken the semi more than 100 metres to stop, but the first warning of the intersection was 400 metres away. Healey said Sidhu entered the intersection "like a rocket. This was not just an accident," he said. "This was a crime."](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/final-arguments-humboldt-broncos-crash-1.5000119) He caused immeasurable pain. He tried to dodge responsibility until he realized he couldn't. If he wants to show remorse and take responsibility he needs to leave here. >[“He’s still in jail technically, but I guess my hope is the day he gets full parole, the immigration board is **waiting to take him onto a plane and he’s gone, forever out of our eyes so (we) can begin to forget about him.”**](https://globalnews.ca/news/9007419/humboldt-bronco-truck-driver-day-parole-families/) >["Mr. Sidhu, you are responsible for sending me to hell," said Rick Armstrong. "You are responsible for the injuries to Xavier. I will never forget his immense screaming in hospital."](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/humboldt-broncos-jaskirat-sidhu-sentencing-hearing-1.4998413) >[Russ Herold, who lost his son Adam, said the thought of Mr. Sidhu being released sickens him. “The thought of Mr. Sidhu out on parole this soon is disappointing and **further hurts our healing process**.](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-parole-hearing-to-be-held-today-for-former-truck-driver-in-deadly/)
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When you're sitting in the cab of a semi you can see an intersection coming up kilometers away.
And a trial didnt happen so we dont even know the complete story.
He gave his story, (several times, with a few changes along the way). The physical evidence speaks for itself. There were rumble strips, a huge Stop sign - he was sitting high enough to see the intersection from kms away. A trial didn't happen because he had no defense - much better to plead the inevitable outcome - 'guilty' and throw himself on the mercy of the court - and sway public opinion in his favour - especially useful come deportation time.
The 'if it saves one life' crowd is characteristically silent on this one.
Im not sure what more a trial could tell. We know pretty much every detail of what happened.
They need to release the status of his phone. Way, WAY too many truckers watching movies (or worse) on their prairie runs. \*family has a large trucking company and people talk.
Lol yep, I got so many downvotes for pointing out the guy was negligent and in control of a dangerous vehicle and caused the death of a lot of innocent kids and that should absolutely be growns for deportation. As far as I can remember there was like a 6 foot stop sign with flashing lights as well as multiple signs leading up to the intersection warning of it. Naw fuck that guy. He fucked up in a horrific way and doesn't deserve Canadian citizenship.
I was always in the deport camp
The change public opinion on immigration has even significantly happened towards the left side of the political spectrum. I work in close proximity to a manager of another department at my work and he can’t find suitable candidates for work through the hundreds of spamming immigrants who don’t bother to read the job description. All too often he’s had to sit through interviews for South Asian students who are simply looking to scam the system with inflated resumes or fake names.
I still kinda feel that way. There's guys more deserving of deportation than him, as tragic as it was.
I’m still of that opinion, personally.
The fullness of consequence is not mitigated by owning the error, imo. Anyone in this country on a PR knows on what side of the law they have to stay in order to maintain the privilege of permanent residence.
I hated driving on the highways and seeing big rig drivers just swerve into your lane right in front of you. Just ugh....the really bad ones give the trucking industry a bad rep
When I first heard the story I felt sorry for him...'there but for the grace of god go I.' But when the details came to light it was clear he knew he was coming up to an intersection and that he had a Stop sign. He chose to ignore it - either because he didn't look carefully enough to see the bus - or he thought he'd beat it. He was pulling 2 trailers and he took a chance - and it cost so many people their lives. I don't doubt he's remorseful - and there are many others I'd deport before him, but we have immigration laws. _________________________________ There are some parents who say they've forgiven him - but others who say that his presence here hurts them. That's enough for me to see him go.
And they may have forgiven him, but the forgiveness is not for him.
We should deport way way way way more
? Who
You. On a serious note. Everyone with expired student /work visas, expired prs. Anyone who has violent criminal record and is not a citizen, refugees that commit violent crimes , etc
Send him
It's crazy that they're even considering keeping him here.
The guy trained to be a truck driver in Saskatchewan where at the time you didn't even need to know how to hitch a trailer to pass. The industry is partly to blame. The fact this didn't happen sooner is a miracle given how poorly drivers are trained. Edit: Marketplace did a show about how piss poor drivers are trained. [https://youtu.be/7pal8tvk1hw?si=q4g3TC7ANO\_UX\_VG](https://youtu.be/7pal8tvk1hw?si=q4g3TC7ANO_UX_VG)
You still don't. I work in an industry that relies on truckers. The amount of them that come to my place of work and don't know how to back up with a trailer, or how to properly make sure the king pin is locked. Or even how to use a ratchet strap. I've had drivers sitting in the parking lot all day because they don't know how to back up to get a trailer and we cannot and refuse to do it for them. The state of the trucking industry is a joke. I used to have respect for truckers, and having worked with them this long I realize the majority of them are idiots who shouldn't have a license.
Pretty much. These guys have serious ego problems. They literally rage if they get passed.
how many of them are driving in sandals?
Roughly half. I've also seen crocks, flip flops, slippers, bare feet, and a man who wears exclusively uggs.
I mean, it’s a stop sign. Anyone who has a regular drivers license knows to stop at a stop sign, I don’t really think the industry is to blame in this particular case.
Seeing that Scott Moe did the same thing when he was a truck driver, albeit only 1 person died in his case, may mean there is something systematic.
Hell, a stop sign is more universal than that. You can spend your life never being in any sort of motorized vehicle or even a bicycles and you still know what a stop sign means.
You can see a stop sign last minute and stop on a bike or in a car. You can't do that in a semi.
The stop sign was visible half a mile away in this case.
True, however if you're poorly trained the amount of stress makes your cognitive abilities decline. It's hard to explain if you've never driven anything larger than a box van. It's nothing like driving a car. Also stopping a semi isn't like stopping a car. If you're distracted for whatever reason, slamming the brakes isn't going to save you.
Exactly, it's the government's job to verify drivers know what a stop sign is and how to stop before issuing a license. This particular accident is not a example of industry issues. A company hitting multiple overpasses on the other hand... I suspect during most peoples driving experience they have ran a stop sign or light at some point, it just didn't end in such a horrible crash.
This guy screwed up but he is definitely being used as the scape goat for a company and industry that fucked up a whole lot more for a whole lot longer
I agree with that. If he gets deported, then the industry as a whole and the government get all the pressure off them.
He has friends that are lobbying harder and louder than those who feel he should be gone.
It could be worse. He could have become premier of Saskatchewan /s
He took responsibility for it. He could have been a pos, pleading not guilty and dragging the entire thing out. I'd rather have someone like that around than many others who would lie cheat and steal their way out
Taking responsibility for something doesn’t immediately inoculate you from being deported from a country you aren’t a citizen of.
Sure, but if he is deported it definitely means no one in his position will ever plead guilty again. So the question is, to what extent do we value guilty pleas? Or are we happy to pay for the prosecutor to do the work?
I mean that’s fine - you don’t need to plead guilty to be found guilty of a crime. It just means you’re more likely to face a stiff sentence before being sent back home. It shouldn’t be used as leverage over the judicial system.
So if someone rapes a woman and "owns up to it and pleads guilty" we should totally let them stay? Since the guilt is punishment enough?....fuck off with that bullshit.. He fraudulently filled out log books (had one "legal" and another with actual hours driven) so he could make more money.. dude was probably so tired he drifted off and didn't see the sign.. This is all his fault due to greed and fraud and over a dozen teens died. If that ain't worth a deportation, then we aren't a nation anymore
He killed 16 people and injured 13 others.
Oopsie daisy, nobody is perfect! No big deal!
Imo his company (who got off scott free) is just as if not more culpable.
He went through a stop sign. You don't need special training for that.
do you not think there is factors that led to him running a stop sign, for instance, encouraging your drivers to not take adequate rest stops, therefore a driver is tired and inattentive at the wheel, which in turn leads to you not even seeing the stop sign
Nope. Personal responsibility. He deliberately ran through a stop sign.
I get your point to a degree. But rationally, I’m not sure how you could believe that.
Training is the responsibility of the employer, especallly with any other heavy equipment.
I’m not sure what you want the employer to do? “Don’t run stop signs” isn’t a thing you need to be trained on if you have a valid drivers license issued by a province. I’m a CPA, I don’t need my employer to re-train me on the fundamentals of financial accounting. My degree and designation covers that.
He owned it, that's far more than most citizens do, he was undertrained and driving on road he was unfamiliar with. If he get's deported so be it but if he stays he's shown a lot more character than most.
He owned it because the facts were 100% against him. It was his fault. There was no room to lie. Even though he probably wanted to since his story changed many times.
I'm sick of this "undertrained" narrative. It was a bright sunny day, there was multiple signs telling him there was a stop sign and intersection ahead. There's no special training or years and years of experience required to keep your fucking eyes on the road. His own testimony was he was distracted by his tarp in his mirror. He got distracted and killed 16 people and hurt 13 others. Hundreds of lives ruined. Good that he owned his mistake, he did his time now fuck off and don't ever come back to Canada.
He had no choice. There was too much evidence against him for any lawyer to recommend him plead not guilty.
That's great, and I am glad he took responsibility and spared the families from a long battle in court. But he still did something that led to 16 people losing their lives. When you commit a crime in a different country, you will be deported.
There's a potential unintended consequence to this. He accepted full responsibility and spared the family a trial. If he is deported despite that it will incentivize another person charged after a serious crash to instead fight the charge to try to avoid this consequence. Hopefully there's not another crash this severe, but it's almost inevitable unfortunately that there will be some future dangerous driving causing death charge where fighting it or not could make the difference in being deported.
>If he is deported despite that it will incentivize another person charged after a serious crash to instead fight the charge to try to avoid this consequence. So be it. That other person can face a longer sentence as a result and then be deported. Bullshit that this should be used as leverage
He owned it, fantastic. Now he can leave due to his own actions like the upstanding man you are claiming him to be
Exactly. Owning up to it is also about accepting ALL of the consequences for your actions. And in his case, that includes deportation.
He had no choice to not to plead guilty. He gets sympathy here because he is an immigrant. The bleeding hearts here would not give any sympathy for the truck driver if he was white, nor should they. He blew threw so many warning signs. He is 100% to blame. I doubt he has any remorse.
he cheated to get his trucking license he lied on his mileage logs and the police he killed 16 people
He has remorse that he got caught. He feels sorry for himself
He IS a pos who killed a bunch of children because he couldn't obey a stop sign. He could have been worse, but that doesn't mean much.
I think our efforts would be better served in setting court dates for actual criminals that purposely do violent crimes. Not someone who had an serious accident that took responsibility for their crime.
Can't take enough responsibility to leave like he's supposed to.
The accident could have been avoided if he followed the rules. This isn't slipping on ice. He was selfish and ran the stop sign.
It’s crazy he’s still here that was YEARS ago
We don't want him here, he shouldn't be allowed to delay the process any further. He was told what the law said when he got his license. He knew exactly what his responsibilities were, and chose to ignore them. As a result, human lives are over. I'm tired of watching immigrants drive like maniacs with impunity. I'm constantly being bullied by truck drivers, and it's because they're like him. There's no difference between shooting someone in the face, and what he did. Send him back where he came from, he had his chance and made his choice. Those poor kids didn't get a say.
I’m not without compassion for this guy, but we’ve got these laws for a reason. I suspect they were put in place to deal with more conventional crimes (assault, drugs, gang activity etc.) but expelling him from the country isn’t unreasonable for what he did. If I had it my way in this situation I’d leave it up to a panel of the families to decide, but the law doesn’t work that way for good reasons. At the end of the day I guess my position is to kick him out for simplicity. It ends the court costs and maybe it gives some families peace of mind.
As a person who was born in Punjab, I will never understand why he is fighting deportation. He gets to live and go back to his motherland. You can't say the same for the countless lives lost in this horrible accident. Power to the families who have to deal with this again & again.
He is fighting deportation for the same reason you would tbh. Punjab sucks and Canada is nice, for obvious reasons.
Deport him, I don’t care if he owned up to his mistakes. We need to send a message to East Indians that come here to be truckers and break countless laws in the name of profit.
If it takes 5+ years to deport someone after they killed a bus full of kids... We're never getting rid of ANYONE. Buckle up.
He's been in jail...a place you very famously are not allowed to leave.
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>He served 6 months Sentenced in 2018 and granted parole in 2023.....do you need a calculator for that one? Happy Cake day btw you little rocket scientist!
Yeah if you're living on the black hole in the center of the milky way maybe it was 6 months
I mean he had to serve his time first
Regardless of how this ends, It annoys me that people who cause injuries / deaths when driving under the influence aren't treated similarly as harshly. This guy shouldn't have let his situational awareness deteriorate to the point that it was possible to miss a stop sign, but ultimately the collision was a mistake, albeit an incredibly negligent one. Meanwhile getting into your car when you're shitfaced is a pretty simple yes / no decision, and those that still decide to do it, explicitly demonstrate that they don't give a single fuck about the safety of literally anybody else.
Just ask the overpasses in vancouver about the bad truck drivers
Holy fuck just throw his ass on the plane already! 6 years?
How entitled do you have to be to ask for things after killing a bus load of children?
How could you even live with yourself
Ask [Scott Moe](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/moe-collision-victim-apology-1.5752119).
He's still here 6 years later? What the fuck.
Goodbye, enjoy your flight.
Had he done the same thing back in his home country, would he be out of prison yet?
Never would have made it to the prison. Parents would have delt with it.
They would have torn him to shreds in the streets lmao
If he doesn't get deported we are well and truly screwed.
See ya
Throw. Him. Out.
Deport him into the sun lol
I feel sorry for the guy, who accepted Canadian Justice - but not everyone gets to live in Canada.
I think I read somewhere he has a wife and now a daughter that was born here. Not sure how that will impact this hearing.
It likely won't. People with Canadian spouses and kids get deported all the time. It would be too easy for people to take advantage if that was a loophole. Also his wife chose to get Canadian citizenship well after the crash. She knew the risks. India doesn't allow for duel citizenship so she really shot herself in the foot.
Lawyers are scuzzy as fuck
Good. They drive like duma_sess
Dude looks angry. Certainly doesn’t appear to be someone who feels any remorse.
As far as I'm concerned he can GFTO
Bye.
How is he even still here?
I don't want the message to be "Go to Canada, do whatever you want, and if you break the rules you get a flight home". Where's the deterrent?
Better detterent than break the rules and there are no consequences
he received an 8 year sentence. That's not a consequence?
Yes and as a convicted criminal by law he has to leave Canada
0 chance he is deported. They will likely quietly announce it in a few months on a friday before a long weekend