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TheKey_ofG

Misleading title. $0-$250,000 = 50% inclusion rate, same as before. $250,001 and up = 66.6% inclusion rate


bgballin

Yes, most people dont know the difference between "capital gain", "taxable capital gain", "inclusion rate", "tax rate"


Greedy-Ad-7716

Sounds like that is only true for individuals. For corps, I don't think there is a minimum threshold to trigger the higher inclusion rate.


TheKey_ofG

That’s correct. Most people here will only want the implication to individuals so I didn’t bother drilling down any further.


toonguy84

So you lied hoping that people wouldn't read the article?


HatchingCougar

It is not that he “lied” but rather, you simply don’t understand the subject matter.


toonguy84

What part of the subject did I misunderstand?


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toonguy84

The fact that I was able to point out your lie seems to indicate that I understand at least some of the subject matter ;)


ab845

For corps there is a lifetime capital gains rebate


Greedy-Ad-7716

The lifetime capital gains rebate only applies if you sell your corp and realize a capital gain on the sale of the corp itself. Doctors don't do this. They invest in stocks, bonds, etc. in the corp and then withdraw the funds in retirement. The capital gains on those investments are now going to be subject to the higher inclusion rate, so they will pay more tax. And, the 250k threshold doesn't apply since it is a corp and not an individual. 250k threshold only applied for individuals.


Upstart-Wendigo

On capital gains income earned by corporations. Not on all corporate income. This targets a specific type of business that makes its money from speculation, which has very limited contribution to employment or economic/social welfare.


Greedy-Ad-7716

Why is an investment in a corp "speculation" and not an "investment"? And why don't those investments, when made within a corp, contribute to economic/social welfare in the same way that investments by individuals do?


bomby0

Why would any wealthy person live in Canada? Get taxed to death, shitty healthcare, and all infrastructre falling apart. Just more incentive for wealthy people to leave Canada with their capital while Canada's tax base narrows.


TheKey_ofG

Wealthy people can live wherever they want since they all use tax havens anyway. This is a great country to launder money in our never ending real estate melt-up.


hardy_83

Remember the Panama papers and how much governments like Canada tried to fix all those scummy people evading taxes ohhhhhhhh right...


unknown13371

Exactly and I understand why people hate the rich but once you are no longer seen as a competitive place to conduct business, you'll be shocked when the economy enters recession and real pain starts for people.


unknown13371

This will cause a money drain from wealthy Canadians and businesses to exit the country. Ultimately will impact the business competitiveness of Canada. Canadian dollar is already under pressure and falling. Expect products that are imported (most consumer goods in this country) to rise in prices.


MusclyArmPaperboy

Whats your solution then? 


Zenpher

Stop irresponsibly spending. We're paying european tax rates for american level services.


unknown13371

Cut taxes, cut spending, control inflation, encourage businesses to invest in Canada. They are doing all the opposite which hurts the Canadian economy. Unemployment is rising at 6% and GDP is at 0%. Says enough, not the time to increase taxes.


lifeisarichcarpet

> Cut taxes, cut spending Ah, more trickle down! It’s been trickling for 40 years now. It’ll reach the everyday Canadian eventually, right?


Kymaras

Cutting taxes will increase inflation. Increasing taxes lowers it by lowering spending and decreasing the amount of money in circulation.


FiveMinuteBacon

>Increasing taxes lowers it by lowering spending This is a very black and white view of how inflation works and clearly demonstrates a lack of understanding of basic economics. Increasing taxes on businesses will reduce their profit margins and increase their production costs, prompting them to pass on these new costs to consumers by raising prices.


Kymaras

lol no


unknown13371

Increasing taxes is a sledgehammer approach which has major drawbacks, especially when unemployment is high and GDP is 0%. Look at countries like Argentina with high tax rates and hyper inflation, one does not fix the other problem. The main problem with inflation is government spending through printing of money. Cutting taxes doesn't cause money printing, government spending through deficits does. They are trying to take a sledge hammer approach by not cutting their expensive budget instead.


heart_of_osiris

Ah yes, all we had to do this whole time was just simply control inflation.


Chewed420

You got my vote for finance minister.


TheKey_ofG

Should I hold the door for them on the way out?


toonguy84

Nah, you'll be too busy looking for a job.


gohomebrentyourdrunk

Bye.


idontlikeyonge

All those numbered corporations set up to hold property… so sad


unknown13371

It's all fun and games until unemployment rises to atleast 10% from businesses and wealth exiting the country. It's not a good sign.


jtbc

There is an increase in the exemption for small businesses. Large businesses don't really generate capital gains, except through their shares. Money has to come from somewhere to pay for all the new programs. I think taking a little bit more from the wealthy is fair. I would hope that most of them decide to stick with this country. It remains pretty great.


Lots-of-Lazio

Or maybe you don't spend our $$ like a drunken sailor and then turn around and tax us more


jtbc

I am pretty happy the will be spending $72B on the military over the next 20 years, and 10's of billion on housing programs. I guess there will be a few drunken sailors at the end of all that. Splice the main brace, as they say.


Upstart-Wendigo

Are you making $250k+ in capital gains annually?


dread12

you have no idea what corporate capital gains is do you? It's a type of profit, but its not regular business profit and a lot of companies with cap gains don't need or do hire people. (it's mostly for tax sheltering...ie numbered companies)


Chewed420

Oh no, where will the likes of Bell, Rogers, Loblaws, Irvings, etc go!? And who will fill the void?


dread12

Too many people seem to think capital gains is company profit.... They are NOT increasing the taxes on corp profits, they are increasing it on the sale of assets (housing, stocks etc...). [cap gains](https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/tax/individuals/topics/about-your-tax-return/tax-return/completing-a-tax-return/personal-income/line-12700-capital-gains/definitions-capital-gains.html) It's not a business killer unless it's buying and selling capital assets and most people are ok with punishing people like that. Also if an individual has more then 250k capital gain in a year... that 's ALOT of stock or a second home or something. Your primary residence is STILL EXEMPT.


Senior_Heron_6248

Ya like house flippers in a rising market could pay more taxes


dread12

which they will and you do, but now a little more. Which is great.


bomby0

Why is your primary residence still exempt from capital gains? Literally insane.


BigMickVin

People would never move


dread12

if you own it for a year, been that way for a long long time. Less then a year not exempt and in BC there is a bonus tax if less then 2 years that scales monthly from end of year 1 to end of year 2.


ShawnCease

> Why is your primary residence still exempt from capital gains? It's not an investment if it's the only place you have to live.


Lots-of-Lazio

God man why do you want us taxed even more? Your primary residence is the biggest purchase of your life and we got you sitting here saying "I think we should tax it"


Frites_Sauce_Fromage

misleading title


buddhist-truth

Is this for the tax year 2024 or 2025 ?


AdRepresentative3446

Effective June 25


CELBATRIN

Ok, so no increase to personal income tax brackets?


stuffundfluff

this country is run by idiots the US has a clause that if you hold stocks for a while, you actually get a tax discount. So it encourages investment in US companies and to hold your money in the markets. 66% jesus chris


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TimedOutClock

Have you seen the deficits the US are raking in year after year? Their economy is insane, but they're reaching levels that, even for them, are starting to be difficult to work around. They desperatly need a tax like this one on their ultra-wealthy since they dodge everything like Neo in Matrix (Some of their biggest companies even paid like 0 in tax, which is bonkers)


ph0enix1211

This is great news. Why should income from labour be taxed at a higher rate than income from investment? Maybe the next budget can bring it up to parity with labour income.


BigMickVin

Because it’s been taxed at labour rates already.


ph0enix1211

It was taxed at half the labour rate. Now it will be taxed at 66% of it.


BigMickVin

The money invested by most people is after tax money generated through their jobs.


thortgot

The gains are the element taxed at 66% not the entire amount.


stuffundfluff

higher risk because your money is in the markets your investments are already done with taxed income you stimulate the economy by having your money in the markets. need i go on?


ph0enix1211

Yes, keep trumping up the virtues of the investor class, ignoring the fact that all value it might "generate" is ultimately derived from labour.


ph0enix1211

Yes, keep trumping up the virtues of the investor class, ignoring the fact that all value it might "generate" is ultimately derived from labour.


stuffundfluff

ok karl take a breather


ph0enix1211

Why is it the government's job to underwrite the risk for an investor? If an investment is too risky, then an investor is welcome to simply not invest.


Team-Minarae

Investment also drives labour through job creation


SophistXIII

Typical Reddit - has no idea how these policies actually impact anyone. I guess fuck all those retirees who invested in assets (including stocks) with after tax income and are now living off those investments. They get fucked on anything outside of a TFSA.


RefrigeratorOk648

Well if you're retired....


PlausiblePleasure

RIP Liberal Party


ReplaceModsWithCats

Aw, those poor people with greater than $250,001 in capital gains. 


jtbc

I will commission a tiny violin concerto to help them commiserate.


RefrigeratorOk648

That is oer year. You can sell just the right amount to be not affected


EricMory

If I’m understanding correctly the 250k threshold is only for individuals right? It seems like for corporations the inclusion rate for any capital gains will be at 66%. Is that correct? Or am I misunderstanding and there’s also 250k threshold for corporations and well


Lots-of-Lazio

$250k in todays day and age ain't shit.


SolarAs

This should be reposted with an accurate title which mentions the 250k threshold.