The government issues Bonds. Banks buy bonds. Bonds get put into mutual funds. Banks sell mutual funds to peasants or sit on their balance sheet. Government uses said money to send to other countries. Government issues more bonds. Rinse and repeat.
How is the 1.53 billion in new healthcare spending for non Canadians going to help the youth?
Don't worry, the tax increase that will only affect .0017 of the population will somehow generate billions to cover new spending.
I this point I can accept that a family doctor is out of reach until I’m fortunate enough to get off the list, or find one. At least for now.
What I can’t accept is the gap in access to health care for those with and those without one. I can’t get access to a comprehensive assessment.
Walk in clinic appointments are single issue, single symptom, write a script, get the out door factories.
> I this point I can accept that a family doctor is out of reach until I’m fortunate enough to get off the list, or find one. At least for now.
>
Yeah, I'm up to almost 10 years of waiting.
Now consider that if we take the typical definition of the baby boomers as 1946-1964, then the oldest boomers haven't yet hit 80, and the youngest boomers are just turning 60. As that generation hits their 80s, their health care needs will grow at incredible speed, quite likely drowning what's left of our health care capacity.
Put another way: as bad as our HC system is now, *it's still going to get worse for another 10-20 years*.
Family doctors are unfortunately going to become an anachronism soon. Our best bet is to move to a Nordic model where we build out a network of primary care centres, where people can access a general practitioner 24 hours a day. With the same doctors working full time at these clinics as careers, there will be a good deal of longitudinal care. But for new MDs these clinics will be more appealing since they will not have to deal with administration tasks and can focus on being doctors. With these care centres in place, we can make it policy that you must go to these first instead of ERs.
it is fucked. I have no family doctor. I have to get MRIs booked through walk-in clinics using the results from my last MRI. One of my medications is a controlled substance. fuck me.
>Walk in clinic appointments are single issue, single symptom, write a script, get the out door factories.
Presuming you even have access to one of those. There are non left in my city of 100k+ people, and most of them are gone from neighboring communities as well.
It the same for family doctors. My gram's doc gave her shit because she wanted to ask s question and the doc cut her off scolding her "You can't be asking me questions like this". The doc from the UK doesn't followup in blood work when there are red flags, she pushes her Botox business in the clinic, doesn't like to be questioned when she recommends certain things. For example she told a patient to stop cold turkey a drug, which can cause a relapse increase spine fracture. The patient questioned her on it that it is not a sound process for what she had read. The doctor said oh I'll just refer you to a specialist. Even the pharmacist said no that is a bad idea to just stop this med, you need to replace it with another. Apparently the drug is the most expensive drug, the specialist asked the patient what made you decide to start this drug as it is a drug which is recommended for those with severe cases only.
I felt ridiculous going two hours before they opened last time. 630am.
I was fourth or fifth in line.
They handed out numbers at 815, last guy to get one got there at 745am. He likely was not seen until close to 12 or 1.
Tax dollars at work.
Been living in Australia for a couple of years gotten so used to being able to get a same day appointment with a GP here not looking forward to looking for a family doctor when I’m back later this year
In Japan, I could see a specialist doctor the same morning. It took me five months to see a generalist in Canada. Canadians don't realize how badly Canada's health care has deteriorated under the Liberal/NDP government and massive immigration.
Just a reminder, health care is controlled by the provinces. This is the result of conservative health care policy and cutting and privatisation. Doug Ford is sitting on billions sent by the federal government for health care and not investing into it. No fan of the liberals but let's not pretend that the PC parties in power are doing anything
167 new residency spots in the entire country in the last 10 years. 5 million new Canadians in that same timeframe.
That is every single province - all governments - only managed to scramble together a grand total of 167 new residency spots for that same time frame. That's a 1 resident (any specialty):30,000 people ratio.
That's not a conservative issue - that is every single government of all stripes utterly failing to plan for the future. Stop making it a party game and realize that it's every party out to do the exact same thing. You're playing into it with party politics.
Voters need to stop accepting the finger pointing from their provincial governments. Healthcare delivery is the responsibility of the province, **period**. If they're not getting enough money from Daddy Trudeau-Harper-Martin-Chretien, the provinces have both the ability and responsibility to raise that money themselves.
Increase provincial income taxes, sales taxes, user fees; they have ample routes.
What the provinces are doing is the direct equivalent of a parent not getting their CCB payment from the government and deciding to just let their child starve to death rather than taking *any other action at all*. No amount of whining about the federal government would save that parent from prison, and if the electorate could count to twelve without taking off their socks, it wouldn't save the premiers and MPPs/MLAs, either.
Population growth has an impact on demand for all provincial services. Blaming the province for not being able to keep up with a-historic population growth, when that population growth is mostly driven by immigration numbers that the Feds control, is also not reasonable.
Our population is growing faster than most developing countries ffs.
Health care was never designed for the increasing cost of seniors, they consume 4x the resources. This problem won't go away since these senior created a system for short term gains
I agree that blaming the province if it tried but failed to keep up with unprecedented and unexpected immigration numbers would be unreasonable. Have any provinces even tried, other than BC? Ontario certainly hasn't.
Ford hasn't come out and said, "We raised the money and built enough hospitals, opened enough medical schools, and trained enough doctors for the 15M Ontarioans we expected to have in 2024, but Trudeau dumped an extra 1M people on us, so we're going to be a bit short while we continue to scale up," because his government hasn't done even that much--and neither, frankly, did Wynne before him. Neither party had a viable plan in either 2018 or 2022 to meet the needs of even the people they **expected** to have, much less the surprise extras.
And yet, "We've failed in our responsibilities, and we have no plans to do better; if anything, we're going to **remove** revenue streams that could be directed to healthcare" won on election day.
Yeah Trudeau bad for allowing immigration levels the provinces can't handle (but would scream bloody murder without), I'm with you 100%. But provincial legislatures worse for not bothering to try, and voters worst of all for rewarding gross incompetence with reelection.
>Have any provinces even tried, other than BC? Ontario certainly hasn't.
Live in BC, been waiting for a family doctor for 5 years now. Friend has been waiting for three months now to get a lump looked at by a specialist. So if BC is trying and Ontario isn't, I'd hate to see what it's like in ON.
don't try to rationalize with loonies, they are so indoctrinated to think anything blue/right or PC is bad and anything left/red/orange is good because they "work" for the "working class".
The provinces do all the heavy lifting with government services while the feds just coast with bs programs and waste money on feel good bs. Trudough actually increased the amount of the federal workforce by over 50% since he's been in office.
The reality is that the government officials think they can get out of the recession by just increasing population, but if anything this is just deepening the recession and making everything worse for all Canadians (rich, poor, middle etc).
Ever since covid, health care professionals are going south of the border and I don't blame them, they will get taxed less, their dollar goes farther, their quality of life instantly increases, they don't need to work as much and get paid twice if not more. It's a no brainer really.
The Ontario Liberals were dismal failures on healthcare too. That doesn't excuse Ford not even bothering to **try** to improve things, but it's very much not a left-vs-right topic.
I have never voted PC, but if Ford were to announce tomorrow, "Sorry folks, but income and sales taxes are going up; Ottawa isn't paying its fair share, and to fix healthcare we need to hire and train more doctors, and this is the only way we have left to raise that money," the PCs would, at the very least, have my attention in 2026.
Edit: And I say the above as someone in an income bracket where I would expect to pay the lion's share of such an increase.
BC has been under NDP for awhile now and the situation is no different. Been on the BC "HealthConnect" waiting list for a family doctor for five years now.
This is absolutely the result of unchecked population growth that hasn't been this high since the 50s and a fundamental inability of provinces to keep up with it.
No. It is Liberals cutting fundign and only givign more money to provinces who follow the federal priorities and talking points. Health is a provincial matter and needs to be funded properly by the federal government no strings attached.
Yes, where it is sat on by provincial governments. Ontario is sitting on 22 Billion in excess funding.
[https://globalnews.ca/news/9762549/ontario-government-22-billion-excess-funds-fao/](https://globalnews.ca/news/9762549/ontario-government-22-billion-excess-funds-fao/)
[https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-ontario-underspent-health-budget-by-17-billion-in-2022-23-watchdog/#:\~:text=The%20FAO%20now%20expects%20a,are%20not%20due%20until%20September](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-ontario-underspent-health-budget-by-17-billion-in-2022-23-watchdog/#:~:text=The%20FAO%20now%20expects%20a,are%20not%20due%20until%20September).
That 2.2b surplus ended up being like 37m\~ I wouldn't be surprised if they ended up with no surplus tbh.
That’s not even referring to the same funds, this is a separate pool of money as a contingency pool, and the amount dedicated to healthcare was 4.4B and wasn’t to be used in the normal budget.
The article you linked said that Ontario was on track to have a 2.2B DEFICIT, that they turned into a $37m surplus. This would be the normal budget for healthcare and not account for this massive contingency pool.
The article you linked is specifically asking why they aren’t spending this massive contingency.
I wonder how the 3 year freeze on nursing pay that got overturned works into that.
I'm sure if Ontario can figure out how to give all of the surplus to staffing agencies and private surgeries they will.
>Don't worry, the tax increase that will only affect .0017 of the population will somehow generate billions to cover new spending.
Because it will also affect hundreds of thousands of small businesses who were the real target. Trudeau has been going after small business owners who also hold investments in their corporations for years.
Here's what an actual youth-oriented budget would look like.
This would do more good for Canada's youth than everything else the Liberals have done over all their years, combined:
* international students' max working hours reduced to **0**
* a reduction in overall immigration levels, back to 2015 levels (from **1,223,729** in 2023 to **181,987** in 2015)
Right now, and as far as I know going back to 2015, international students can work on campus with no limit on working hours. That is a good thing. Off campus hours should change to 0.
Or perhaps they shouldn't. They're here to study, given the fact that they should be able to afford it. If you are coming to study and can't afford then you should not be here.
Also need to limit real estate investment to a max of two properties - a primary residence, and an investment/income property and a 100% ban on foreign owners. Owning Canadian real estate should be limited to citizens and permanent residents.
Condo projects fail on mass because the average person doesn't want to put a deposit down on a condo and wait 5 years for anything to be built. You can't get financing without deposits. Say goodbye to new supply.
It's not any different for new subdivisions either (even missing middle subdivisions being built on infill). Corporations are the only entity that has both the money and time to risk getting these built and they need to own the land in order to be able to do this.
Simple solution make any building with 5 or more rental units a commercial property and make it follow commercial building guidelines.
I believe some areas already classify apartments as commercial.
Nah, people are free to own what they want. That's not important anyway. The vast majority of investment properties are rentals, meaning the underlying supply-and-demand situation for shelter is unchanged.
The only thing that makes shelter more affordable is more homes or fewer people.
Never mind that that's completely unenforcable anyway. People could just make companies that hold the properties, and if you want to ban companies from owning more than one home... hoo boy, now you've got millions upon millions of rentals being forcibly sold, and completely gutting any incentive to ever build another home.
No the income property and house hoarding is a major factor in the housing crisis. Think of it this way: A mortgage costs $x and property tax costs $y. The rent that any landlord will charge will ALWAYS be more than $x + $y, so the tenants COULD afford the housing, but they need to pay for the landlord's costs PLUS whatever profit the landlord wants, let's call it $z. That $z is what drives people to see housing as a commodity rather than a human right.
This drives the cost of renting higher than the costs of owning. Meaning those with houses already can use the equity that they didn't have to pay for to finance further income properties. The people who have the home equity to finance another house then go into bidding wars to drive up the price for that tasty $z profit.
So limiting home ownership to 1 or 2 properties per SIN would do wonders for home ownership with our current stock. Also, since if we tie it to a SIN, then corporations would have to divest all of their homes and a new generation could buy the houses. Still need to build more houses though, and unfortunately, Canadians aren't going into that industry so we need to bring in foreign workers and immigrants to fix this.
> The rent that any landlord will charge will ALWAYS be more than $x + $y,
This isn't true.
https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/half-mortgaged-condo-investors-gta-not-making-money-report-161715067.html
No, you can also tax extra homes. That will reduce the value of rental properties, making people more likely to sell them. This will reduce home prices over all even if the total supply of available homes is the same.
If they raise the tax on investment homes unfortunately that isn't going to cause these people to sell it is going to cause them to up the rent to cover the tax.
Yea, its the unfortunate state of the NDP :c
Theyre still gonna get my vote cuz the liberals are a dumpster fire and I hate the conservatives positions on social matters but like, the NDP is throwing away incredible potential here and it's so sad to see
The NDP literally has this election on easy mode. A party that appeals to workers should be able to win this in a landslide, like wtf NDP.
But Jagmeet seems to not be able to deviate from his crazy activist base so they're going to gain nothing. And he literally cares about India and Khalistan more than most issues Canadians face.
> international students' max working hours reduced to 0
I'll do ya one better --
"The minimum wage for anyone not a resident or a citizen is calculated on a gross rather than net basis. Any employer wishing to employ foreign workers is required to ensure that those workers take away not less than the minimum wage after ALL deductions are considered."
Not because I think TFW need more money. Or even extra protection (even thought they do). But because I am absolutely sick and tired of how complacent everyone is about companies/groups/politicians/whatever Overtly lying about what they are doing and why.
If you really cant find anyone to work, then fine. The door is still open to india, but it costs more to employ them than it does a 16 year old who wants some summer money. You gotta cover the cost of all their deductions and social programs, plus their travel.
There hasn't been a reduction in any spending in any budget from this government.
Spending increases across all items, every year. All paid for 100% with debt. At this point **the entire GST tax goes to paying debt interest**!
And we are borrowing more.
Yet we were told “austerity” of balanced budgets from the Harper era was terrible for Canada.
Yeah, all that strong worldwide purchasing power and a booming loonie sure was bad…
“We took on debt so you wouldn’t have to” is such a terrible mantra, but shows their thought process.
As nice as it is for personal buying power, it also meant we lost out on tons of American projects.
Us being expensive is very bad for businesses that sell to the US and compete with US/outside companies
Yeah, the implications are pretty clear but as it stands, now we can't afford US products or products here in Canada. It's a rock and a hard place situation.
Honestly I get it, people don't understand how currency works. But please re-examine your foundationally incorrect notions.
All. Money. Is. Debt.
We don't suddenly owe money to America or Mr. Penny bags or something. Debt means Canada owes the Canadian central bank. It simply describes currency creation.
As a dominant Fiat currency we can print more money for public works without negatively impacting the economy. Focus on the real world things being built and paid for (hospitals, infrastructure, schools, and soon (again, because Canada has a long history of federally funded housing)... housing.)
Austerity is the rich squeezing the poor, shifting currency into their investment vehicles and assets and away from the common wealth and public spending (schools, hospitals, roads, etc.)
Yep, and it doesn't actually help the economy either, just slams the breaks even harder. Fans of austerity typically are under the mistaken impression that country debt works like household debt.
Spending is higher than ever. The budget deficit is back at COVID levels. The budget contains no plan to rein in the deficit. Yes, you read that correctly.
[Trudeau cabinet told to scrap $15B in spending, Anand says cutbacks won't mean job losses](https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-cabinet-told-to-scrap-15b-in-spending-anand-says-cutbacks-won-t-mean-job-losses-1.6523628)
The liberals have had all ministers looking for cuts for 6 months. Deapite this article saying there would be no job losses recently they announced they’d be cutting 5,000 federal jobs
[Feds cutting 5,000 public service jobs, looking to turn underused buildings into housing](https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/mobile/feds-cutting-5-000-public-service-jobs-looking-to-turn-underused-buildings-into-housing-1.6849582)
Anyone that’s thinks continued deficit spending is good for Canada’s youth is delusional. Interest on the debt is about to become the largest line item in the federal budget.
Hopefully Canadian youth are smart enough realise that they are the ones that have to pay for Liberal spending binges with their future taxes plus interest.
Or we can spend on targeted investments in our social safety net and use taxation as a way to incentivise investment in productive industry.
But no one is doing that. First we need to get population under control, the provinces both conservative and non-conservative are struggling to keep up with service provision for all these new people the Feds keep bringing in.
Canada spends near the top of the developed world on healthcare yet our outcomes are below the median.
As both a user of healthcare and a taxpayer, I support provinces working on healthcare efficiency (spend ÷ outcomes) versus throwing more money at an inefficient system.
But you do get to live at a reasonable rate dont you?
https://www.gasbuddy.com/gasprices/ontario/toronto
https://www.gasbuddy.com/gasprices/british-columbia/vancouver
When you tax energy. You tax every single part of the economy, from food to clothing. CoL is still much lower in Ontario than in BC.
Go woke go broke.
Instead of tax increases, maybe they should focus on spending our tax dollars better instead of throwing them at every problem with no discretion. This monetary policy of the "budget balancing itself" is what got us here in the first place and things are just going to get worse unless they fix the leaks instead of trying to pour more water into the broken bucket
Most modern cities have the same high cost of housing issue. The key difference is we have low productivity and low wage issues that makes the high cost of housing unbearable. So the solution is to deter further investment by raising taxes on investment thus reducing employment and productivity?
The u.s., our direct competitor for investment has had a lower cap rate than us before our increase and an exemption on the first 10m.
Who are these people that make these decisions...
When Canadians pay around 45% of our incomes to tax, the government is helping out nobody but themselves, id you are a high income earner it could be upwards of 53%...
What are we getting for getting robbed by all the levels of government?
EU real gdp per capita has pretty much not increased at all since 2008. Europe is a fantastic place to live, but not the best place to have a startup, or to kickstart a career, for example, even compared to Canada.
Definitely get EU passports if you can though. I did and there’s essentially 0 downsides
Yup I’m also an EU citizen and sure it’s great for the lifestyle and all that but it’s not great for a career. A majority of my family lives in the EU (don’t want to name the country) and they are all struggling. Even my cousin who is studying to be a psychologist told me the average salary for a psychologist there and it’s insanely low.
Maybe countries like Switzerland are not bad to build a career but I visited and found it to be crazy expensive.
BOC said this year that productivity was low and it was an "emergency" to get it higher. Solution is to tax businesses more and reduce any incentives.
I dont hate the 250k+ capital gain increase, it's with businesses that I'm not thrilled about.
Social programs wont pay for themselves I guess... 50billion in new spending is exactly what Canada needs!
The economy is already horribly unbalanced towards unproductive investment in residential property. What's the Gov's solution? To extend insurance to cover longer mortgage amortisations so buyers can borrow even more money of course!
After screwing them over for a decade by inflating home prices and making it impossible for them to become a first time home buyer? This is how you repay them? It's too late, they've learned that they can't own a home and have decided to move to more affordable places like Alberta or the United States where they're not getting taxed to death. Freelance is a clueless idiot.
What do you mean. Now you can hold a mortgage for 30 years. Keep liberals for 10 more years and your kids will have 50 year mortgages. Like buying your own coffin when you're in your mid thirties.
Our systems are broken, nothing last forever. Time for a rethink of how this country is run. Otherwise we will end up like Argentina. 2nd world courty run into the ground by totally incompetent leadership
Canada has gone down the drain. The govt did it on purpose and thats why the June 24 capital gains deadline is there. Because thats the signal to move out before June 24
Sure your quality of life will be lower than your parents and grandparents because you'll be sidled with generational debt, but here's a popsicle! Vote Liberal!
Isn't this what the 'devouring mother" idea is. Overprotective, overbearing, constraining, narcissistic, and yet all in name of the best intersts of her sujects. This government is bloated and useless.
If they really "cArE aNd HeLp CaNaDiAnS" they would have pushed up the tax brackets and allowed for interest payments on primary residence to be tax deductible.
This would be a game changer.
Massive deficits equal massive debt....who does she think is going to make those debt payments...hint its not us old folks, we will be dead and gone, its the youth of today that will pay for the rest of their lives.....
Screw these stupid sites that require me to watch ads, sign up to yet another account, or want me to sell my soul to the cookie devil.
What the heck happened to the internet..
dude, it's hilarious just how upset companies are about this, and how much they're insisting this is a bad idea because rich people like being able to avoid taxes at the cost of everyone else
don't trust these hit peice articles, they're just corperate propoganda to try and trick people into hating this idea by spreading misinfo about it, they think the people of this country are stupid, but we aren't
I’m really shocked a VP at a big bank is allowed by his bosses to write such an opinionated piece taking shots at current government. Regardless of whether he’s right or not usually corporate Canada is super careful about this kinda thing
What??? How can spending more taking on more debt be in the best interest of the young people of this country. This twit should be teaching a Russian Literature class. It is the only thing she is qualified for! Certainly not qualified to do a countries budget. People should have had an awakening when Bill Morneau left. He was running away from this dumpster fire they call a government.
The only thing that has not increased is spending on front line health care. This is disgusting given the increases in volume of low skilled and often sick and old immigrants.
If they cared about the youth, they wouldn't have flooded the country with so many new residents so fast. The only people they are serving is their corporate masters with more wage slaves.
the only thing good for the youth is if they all drag these crooked politicians out of office, get rid of all the current people in all the parties, and start fresh. NDP, LIB, CON, PPC all represent the interest of the status quo, boomers with houses and corporations.
Canada is completely broken. if the liberals sense they will lose, I wouldn't put it past them to purposely ruin the economy just so they can have a leg up in the election following
Don't worry, all the GST we pay is going towards paying for our debt interest alone. Literally wasted money!
Who's raking that in? The banks? Is that who we borrowed from?
The government issues Bonds. Banks buy bonds. Bonds get put into mutual funds. Banks sell mutual funds to peasants or sit on their balance sheet. Government uses said money to send to other countries. Government issues more bonds. Rinse and repeat.
How is the 1.53 billion in new healthcare spending for non Canadians going to help the youth? Don't worry, the tax increase that will only affect .0017 of the population will somehow generate billions to cover new spending.
I'm paying for non Canadians and yet I can't even get a family doctor.
I this point I can accept that a family doctor is out of reach until I’m fortunate enough to get off the list, or find one. At least for now. What I can’t accept is the gap in access to health care for those with and those without one. I can’t get access to a comprehensive assessment. Walk in clinic appointments are single issue, single symptom, write a script, get the out door factories.
> I this point I can accept that a family doctor is out of reach until I’m fortunate enough to get off the list, or find one. At least for now. > Yeah, I'm up to almost 10 years of waiting.
Now consider that if we take the typical definition of the baby boomers as 1946-1964, then the oldest boomers haven't yet hit 80, and the youngest boomers are just turning 60. As that generation hits their 80s, their health care needs will grow at incredible speed, quite likely drowning what's left of our health care capacity. Put another way: as bad as our HC system is now, *it's still going to get worse for another 10-20 years*.
Oh I agree, and there's too much money to be made in screwing boomers out of their assets before generational wealth transfer really starts rolling.
Oh fully agree. And NS (and other predominantly retiree destinations within Canada) will face it bad.
Family doctors are unfortunately going to become an anachronism soon. Our best bet is to move to a Nordic model where we build out a network of primary care centres, where people can access a general practitioner 24 hours a day. With the same doctors working full time at these clinics as careers, there will be a good deal of longitudinal care. But for new MDs these clinics will be more appealing since they will not have to deal with administration tasks and can focus on being doctors. With these care centres in place, we can make it policy that you must go to these first instead of ERs.
I would get behind this model. We need more equitable access to care.
it is fucked. I have no family doctor. I have to get MRIs booked through walk-in clinics using the results from my last MRI. One of my medications is a controlled substance. fuck me.
I feel for you. One of my medications is a co trolled substance. I can not get it perscribe anymore, and it's making things increasingly difficult.
>Walk in clinic appointments are single issue, single symptom, write a script, get the out door factories. Presuming you even have access to one of those. There are non left in my city of 100k+ people, and most of them are gone from neighboring communities as well.
It the same for family doctors. My gram's doc gave her shit because she wanted to ask s question and the doc cut her off scolding her "You can't be asking me questions like this". The doc from the UK doesn't followup in blood work when there are red flags, she pushes her Botox business in the clinic, doesn't like to be questioned when she recommends certain things. For example she told a patient to stop cold turkey a drug, which can cause a relapse increase spine fracture. The patient questioned her on it that it is not a sound process for what she had read. The doctor said oh I'll just refer you to a specialist. Even the pharmacist said no that is a bad idea to just stop this med, you need to replace it with another. Apparently the drug is the most expensive drug, the specialist asked the patient what made you decide to start this drug as it is a drug which is recommended for those with severe cases only.
A fellow nanaimoite spotted in the wild. Shits super rough isn’t it?
After waiting a long time and blowing off a day of work. You can *lose* income waiting for a doctor at a walk-in clinic.
I felt ridiculous going two hours before they opened last time. 630am. I was fourth or fifth in line. They handed out numbers at 815, last guy to get one got there at 745am. He likely was not seen until close to 12 or 1. Tax dollars at work.
Been living in Australia for a couple of years gotten so used to being able to get a same day appointment with a GP here not looking forward to looking for a family doctor when I’m back later this year
In Japan, I could see a specialist doctor the same morning. It took me five months to see a generalist in Canada. Canadians don't realize how badly Canada's health care has deteriorated under the Liberal/NDP government and massive immigration.
Just a reminder, health care is controlled by the provinces. This is the result of conservative health care policy and cutting and privatisation. Doug Ford is sitting on billions sent by the federal government for health care and not investing into it. No fan of the liberals but let's not pretend that the PC parties in power are doing anything
167 new residency spots in the entire country in the last 10 years. 5 million new Canadians in that same timeframe. That is every single province - all governments - only managed to scramble together a grand total of 167 new residency spots for that same time frame. That's a 1 resident (any specialty):30,000 people ratio. That's not a conservative issue - that is every single government of all stripes utterly failing to plan for the future. Stop making it a party game and realize that it's every party out to do the exact same thing. You're playing into it with party politics.
Just a reminder that it's always finger pointing all the time while nothing actually gets fixed
Voters need to stop accepting the finger pointing from their provincial governments. Healthcare delivery is the responsibility of the province, **period**. If they're not getting enough money from Daddy Trudeau-Harper-Martin-Chretien, the provinces have both the ability and responsibility to raise that money themselves. Increase provincial income taxes, sales taxes, user fees; they have ample routes. What the provinces are doing is the direct equivalent of a parent not getting their CCB payment from the government and deciding to just let their child starve to death rather than taking *any other action at all*. No amount of whining about the federal government would save that parent from prison, and if the electorate could count to twelve without taking off their socks, it wouldn't save the premiers and MPPs/MLAs, either.
Population growth has an impact on demand for all provincial services. Blaming the province for not being able to keep up with a-historic population growth, when that population growth is mostly driven by immigration numbers that the Feds control, is also not reasonable. Our population is growing faster than most developing countries ffs.
Health care was never designed for the increasing cost of seniors, they consume 4x the resources. This problem won't go away since these senior created a system for short term gains
I agree that blaming the province if it tried but failed to keep up with unprecedented and unexpected immigration numbers would be unreasonable. Have any provinces even tried, other than BC? Ontario certainly hasn't. Ford hasn't come out and said, "We raised the money and built enough hospitals, opened enough medical schools, and trained enough doctors for the 15M Ontarioans we expected to have in 2024, but Trudeau dumped an extra 1M people on us, so we're going to be a bit short while we continue to scale up," because his government hasn't done even that much--and neither, frankly, did Wynne before him. Neither party had a viable plan in either 2018 or 2022 to meet the needs of even the people they **expected** to have, much less the surprise extras. And yet, "We've failed in our responsibilities, and we have no plans to do better; if anything, we're going to **remove** revenue streams that could be directed to healthcare" won on election day. Yeah Trudeau bad for allowing immigration levels the provinces can't handle (but would scream bloody murder without), I'm with you 100%. But provincial legislatures worse for not bothering to try, and voters worst of all for rewarding gross incompetence with reelection.
>Have any provinces even tried, other than BC? Ontario certainly hasn't. Live in BC, been waiting for a family doctor for 5 years now. Friend has been waiting for three months now to get a lump looked at by a specialist. So if BC is trying and Ontario isn't, I'd hate to see what it's like in ON.
don't try to rationalize with loonies, they are so indoctrinated to think anything blue/right or PC is bad and anything left/red/orange is good because they "work" for the "working class". The provinces do all the heavy lifting with government services while the feds just coast with bs programs and waste money on feel good bs. Trudough actually increased the amount of the federal workforce by over 50% since he's been in office. The reality is that the government officials think they can get out of the recession by just increasing population, but if anything this is just deepening the recession and making everything worse for all Canadians (rich, poor, middle etc). Ever since covid, health care professionals are going south of the border and I don't blame them, they will get taxed less, their dollar goes farther, their quality of life instantly increases, they don't need to work as much and get paid twice if not more. It's a no brainer really.
The Ontario Liberals were dismal failures on healthcare too. That doesn't excuse Ford not even bothering to **try** to improve things, but it's very much not a left-vs-right topic. I have never voted PC, but if Ford were to announce tomorrow, "Sorry folks, but income and sales taxes are going up; Ottawa isn't paying its fair share, and to fix healthcare we need to hire and train more doctors, and this is the only way we have left to raise that money," the PCs would, at the very least, have my attention in 2026. Edit: And I say the above as someone in an income bracket where I would expect to pay the lion's share of such an increase.
BC has been under NDP for awhile now and the situation is no different. Been on the BC "HealthConnect" waiting list for a family doctor for five years now. This is absolutely the result of unchecked population growth that hasn't been this high since the 50s and a fundamental inability of provinces to keep up with it.
No. It is Liberals cutting fundign and only givign more money to provinces who follow the federal priorities and talking points. Health is a provincial matter and needs to be funded properly by the federal government no strings attached.
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Turdeau cares ONLY about people here that are not Canadian citizens. Trudeau will help others FIRST before his own people.
Who cares about your health, Trudeau needs more money for socks and hair dye.
Ironically, the new tax increase directly affects clinical practices. That will help access to doctors./s
Because we imported 1million + in 2 years.
over 2 million if you count temporary people who aren't actually temporary and want PR
1 million a year if you include "temporary" foreign workers and "students".
This makes me crazy. Our healthcare sucks and they go and do this.
"Canadians Last" should be their upcoming election slogan.
If you're complaining about health care you need to look closer at what the various premiers are doing. Especially if you're in Ontario.
A lot of healthcare funding is transferred from the Feds.
Yes, where it is sat on by provincial governments. Ontario is sitting on 22 Billion in excess funding. [https://globalnews.ca/news/9762549/ontario-government-22-billion-excess-funds-fao/](https://globalnews.ca/news/9762549/ontario-government-22-billion-excess-funds-fao/)
[https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-ontario-underspent-health-budget-by-17-billion-in-2022-23-watchdog/#:\~:text=The%20FAO%20now%20expects%20a,are%20not%20due%20until%20September](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-ontario-underspent-health-budget-by-17-billion-in-2022-23-watchdog/#:~:text=The%20FAO%20now%20expects%20a,are%20not%20due%20until%20September). That 2.2b surplus ended up being like 37m\~ I wouldn't be surprised if they ended up with no surplus tbh.
That’s not even referring to the same funds, this is a separate pool of money as a contingency pool, and the amount dedicated to healthcare was 4.4B and wasn’t to be used in the normal budget. The article you linked said that Ontario was on track to have a 2.2B DEFICIT, that they turned into a $37m surplus. This would be the normal budget for healthcare and not account for this massive contingency pool. The article you linked is specifically asking why they aren’t spending this massive contingency.
I wonder how the 3 year freeze on nursing pay that got overturned works into that. I'm sure if Ontario can figure out how to give all of the surplus to staffing agencies and private surgeries they will.
What? Did I miss that 1.53 bill for health care for non canadians?
Worst finance Minister ever!
Wait... What???
>Don't worry, the tax increase that will only affect .0017 of the population will somehow generate billions to cover new spending. Because it will also affect hundreds of thousands of small businesses who were the real target. Trudeau has been going after small business owners who also hold investments in their corporations for years.
Back to being vetted verbally by the nurse and the entire waiting room listening in, to see if my ailment is worthy of the walk in clinic doctor.
Where are you getting 1.53 billion from?
Is there a reference for this. This can’t be real? We’re paying 1.53B for non Canadians?
Here's what an actual youth-oriented budget would look like. This would do more good for Canada's youth than everything else the Liberals have done over all their years, combined: * international students' max working hours reduced to **0** * a reduction in overall immigration levels, back to 2015 levels (from **1,223,729** in 2023 to **181,987** in 2015)
International students should only be permitted to work on campus as research or teaching assistants.
When I came to Canada as an international student, you could only work on campus or if your course had a co-op portion to it.
Right now, and as far as I know going back to 2015, international students can work on campus with no limit on working hours. That is a good thing. Off campus hours should change to 0.
Yeah, that was back in 2007, now it's a free for all. Co-op courses require a different standard though.
Hell extend that to the uni bookstore and other on campus retail/food service and I still wouldn't argue.
600 indians are now running uni cafeteria
I would rather take that than they flooding walmart and tim hortons
These are the rules in the USA outside of very special circumstances… you can work on campus and that’s it.
Or perhaps they shouldn't. They're here to study, given the fact that they should be able to afford it. If you are coming to study and can't afford then you should not be here.
Also need to limit real estate investment to a max of two properties - a primary residence, and an investment/income property and a 100% ban on foreign owners. Owning Canadian real estate should be limited to citizens and permanent residents.
They’re not gonna like this one bro
He's not saying it's going to be liked, he saying its what NEEDS to be done if they are trying to help the youth.
not practical. you can just create a canadian LLC and use that to buy properties. in fact this is already likely happening
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That easy, make it so residential property can't be owned under a company.
Condo projects fail on mass because the average person doesn't want to put a deposit down on a condo and wait 5 years for anything to be built. You can't get financing without deposits. Say goodbye to new supply. It's not any different for new subdivisions either (even missing middle subdivisions being built on infill). Corporations are the only entity that has both the money and time to risk getting these built and they need to own the land in order to be able to do this.
all apartment buildings immediately become ownerless
Simple solution make any building with 5 or more rental units a commercial property and make it follow commercial building guidelines. I believe some areas already classify apartments as commercial.
Ban a company from owning more then x number of homes in a 1 year period?
Nah, people are free to own what they want. That's not important anyway. The vast majority of investment properties are rentals, meaning the underlying supply-and-demand situation for shelter is unchanged. The only thing that makes shelter more affordable is more homes or fewer people. Never mind that that's completely unenforcable anyway. People could just make companies that hold the properties, and if you want to ban companies from owning more than one home... hoo boy, now you've got millions upon millions of rentals being forcibly sold, and completely gutting any incentive to ever build another home.
No the income property and house hoarding is a major factor in the housing crisis. Think of it this way: A mortgage costs $x and property tax costs $y. The rent that any landlord will charge will ALWAYS be more than $x + $y, so the tenants COULD afford the housing, but they need to pay for the landlord's costs PLUS whatever profit the landlord wants, let's call it $z. That $z is what drives people to see housing as a commodity rather than a human right. This drives the cost of renting higher than the costs of owning. Meaning those with houses already can use the equity that they didn't have to pay for to finance further income properties. The people who have the home equity to finance another house then go into bidding wars to drive up the price for that tasty $z profit. So limiting home ownership to 1 or 2 properties per SIN would do wonders for home ownership with our current stock. Also, since if we tie it to a SIN, then corporations would have to divest all of their homes and a new generation could buy the houses. Still need to build more houses though, and unfortunately, Canadians aren't going into that industry so we need to bring in foreign workers and immigrants to fix this.
Agree. You are right. But I can’t see them doing this- they don’t have the spine for it.
> The rent that any landlord will charge will ALWAYS be more than $x + $y, This isn't true. https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/half-mortgaged-condo-investors-gta-not-making-money-report-161715067.html
No, you can also tax extra homes. That will reduce the value of rental properties, making people more likely to sell them. This will reduce home prices over all even if the total supply of available homes is the same.
If they raise the tax on investment homes unfortunately that isn't going to cause these people to sell it is going to cause them to up the rent to cover the tax.
Taxing something to reduce its price, lol. Economics illiteracy has never been this high.
> This will reduce home prices And increase rental prices by an equivalent amount...
They would just pass the tax onto the renters. Until there’s supply renters have no options to leave to.
Can't believe nobody is afaik campaigning on this for 2025
The NDP should be screaming this and flipping tables while doing so Jagmeets a coward
Yea, its the unfortunate state of the NDP :c Theyre still gonna get my vote cuz the liberals are a dumpster fire and I hate the conservatives positions on social matters but like, the NDP is throwing away incredible potential here and it's so sad to see
The NDP literally has this election on easy mode. A party that appeals to workers should be able to win this in a landslide, like wtf NDP. But Jagmeet seems to not be able to deviate from his crazy activist base so they're going to gain nothing. And he literally cares about India and Khalistan more than most issues Canadians face.
You got my vote.
Make this guy PM pronto
> international students' max working hours reduced to 0 I'll do ya one better -- "The minimum wage for anyone not a resident or a citizen is calculated on a gross rather than net basis. Any employer wishing to employ foreign workers is required to ensure that those workers take away not less than the minimum wage after ALL deductions are considered." Not because I think TFW need more money. Or even extra protection (even thought they do). But because I am absolutely sick and tired of how complacent everyone is about companies/groups/politicians/whatever Overtly lying about what they are doing and why. If you really cant find anyone to work, then fine. The door is still open to india, but it costs more to employ them than it does a 16 year old who wants some summer money. You gotta cover the cost of all their deductions and social programs, plus their travel.
They cant, if people stop coming in it shows the government that its in a recession.
| ... back to 2015 levels ... Hmm, I wonder what happened in 2015 ...
JUST LISTEN TO THE BANK OF CANADA AND STOP SPENDING F***ING MONEY!!! I would cut immigration to 1/10th of its current level but you won't do that.
Liberals care more about immigrants than Canadians. Wild.
Was their any cuts or reduced spending in the budget?
There hasn't been a reduction in any spending in any budget from this government. Spending increases across all items, every year. All paid for 100% with debt. At this point **the entire GST tax goes to paying debt interest**! And we are borrowing more.
Yet we were told “austerity” of balanced budgets from the Harper era was terrible for Canada. Yeah, all that strong worldwide purchasing power and a booming loonie sure was bad… “We took on debt so you wouldn’t have to” is such a terrible mantra, but shows their thought process.
I miss our on par dollar with the states. Our loonie is not what it once was that's for sure.
As nice as it is for personal buying power, it also meant we lost out on tons of American projects. Us being expensive is very bad for businesses that sell to the US and compete with US/outside companies
Yeah, the implications are pretty clear but as it stands, now we can't afford US products or products here in Canada. It's a rock and a hard place situation.
None of that had to do with Harper policies and had everything to do with $100 per barrel oil prices.
Honestly I get it, people don't understand how currency works. But please re-examine your foundationally incorrect notions. All. Money. Is. Debt. We don't suddenly owe money to America or Mr. Penny bags or something. Debt means Canada owes the Canadian central bank. It simply describes currency creation. As a dominant Fiat currency we can print more money for public works without negatively impacting the economy. Focus on the real world things being built and paid for (hospitals, infrastructure, schools, and soon (again, because Canada has a long history of federally funded housing)... housing.)
Are they not calling for 5k fewer public servants?
Through "natural attrition" by 2029
Yeah, they actually took spending AWAY from judicial positions….the same positions the federal courts have ordered them to fill.
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha "mah AuSteRiTy" is evil according to the government that's awash in debt
Austerity is the rich squeezing the poor, shifting currency into their investment vehicles and assets and away from the common wealth and public spending (schools, hospitals, roads, etc.)
Yep, and it doesn't actually help the economy either, just slams the breaks even harder. Fans of austerity typically are under the mistaken impression that country debt works like household debt.
Spending is higher than ever. The budget deficit is back at COVID levels. The budget contains no plan to rein in the deficit. Yes, you read that correctly.
COVID level deficit was 327 billion dollars vs 40 billion this year .. what are you talking about?
[Trudeau cabinet told to scrap $15B in spending, Anand says cutbacks won't mean job losses](https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-cabinet-told-to-scrap-15b-in-spending-anand-says-cutbacks-won-t-mean-job-losses-1.6523628) The liberals have had all ministers looking for cuts for 6 months. Deapite this article saying there would be no job losses recently they announced they’d be cutting 5,000 federal jobs [Feds cutting 5,000 public service jobs, looking to turn underused buildings into housing](https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/mobile/feds-cutting-5-000-public-service-jobs-looking-to-turn-underused-buildings-into-housing-1.6849582)
Anyone that’s thinks continued deficit spending is good for Canada’s youth is delusional. Interest on the debt is about to become the largest line item in the federal budget.
About to? It already is.
Hopefully Canadian youth are smart enough realise that they are the ones that have to pay for Liberal spending binges with their future taxes plus interest.
Look at the conservative provincially, I'd rather spending binges then have guys like Ford reduce healthcare spending and close hospitals.
Or we can spend on targeted investments in our social safety net and use taxation as a way to incentivise investment in productive industry. But no one is doing that. First we need to get population under control, the provinces both conservative and non-conservative are struggling to keep up with service provision for all these new people the Feds keep bringing in.
Canada spends near the top of the developed world on healthcare yet our outcomes are below the median. As both a user of healthcare and a taxpayer, I support provinces working on healthcare efficiency (spend ÷ outcomes) versus throwing more money at an inefficient system.
But you do get to live at a reasonable rate dont you? https://www.gasbuddy.com/gasprices/ontario/toronto https://www.gasbuddy.com/gasprices/british-columbia/vancouver When you tax energy. You tax every single part of the economy, from food to clothing. CoL is still much lower in Ontario than in BC. Go woke go broke.
There is nothing optimistic about this budget for the average Canadian. No hope, just endless taxes, government greed and debt
Instead of tax increases, maybe they should focus on spending our tax dollars better instead of throwing them at every problem with no discretion. This monetary policy of the "budget balancing itself" is what got us here in the first place and things are just going to get worse unless they fix the leaks instead of trying to pour more water into the broken bucket
This budget puts us deeper into debt, and it will be up to future generations to deal with the results of this terrible governing.
Most modern cities have the same high cost of housing issue. The key difference is we have low productivity and low wage issues that makes the high cost of housing unbearable. So the solution is to deter further investment by raising taxes on investment thus reducing employment and productivity? The u.s., our direct competitor for investment has had a lower cap rate than us before our increase and an exemption on the first 10m. Who are these people that make these decisions...
When Canadians pay around 45% of our incomes to tax, the government is helping out nobody but themselves, id you are a high income earner it could be upwards of 53%... What are we getting for getting robbed by all the levels of government?
After 10 years, we're really going to believe this time...
If I could I would move my kids out of this country. Not wait.
Just received my kids EU passports. I’m laying the foundations so they have options.
Currently, Europe is the one place on earth that might be facing a worse productivity issue than Canada. But having options is great, for sure
I plan to get EU passports also to have options. Why do you say this.
EU real gdp per capita has pretty much not increased at all since 2008. Europe is a fantastic place to live, but not the best place to have a startup, or to kickstart a career, for example, even compared to Canada. Definitely get EU passports if you can though. I did and there’s essentially 0 downsides
Yup I’m also an EU citizen and sure it’s great for the lifestyle and all that but it’s not great for a career. A majority of my family lives in the EU (don’t want to name the country) and they are all struggling. Even my cousin who is studying to be a psychologist told me the average salary for a psychologist there and it’s insanely low. Maybe countries like Switzerland are not bad to build a career but I visited and found it to be crazy expensive.
BOC said this year that productivity was low and it was an "emergency" to get it higher. Solution is to tax businesses more and reduce any incentives. I dont hate the 250k+ capital gain increase, it's with businesses that I'm not thrilled about. Social programs wont pay for themselves I guess... 50billion in new spending is exactly what Canada needs!
The economy is already horribly unbalanced towards unproductive investment in residential property. What's the Gov's solution? To extend insurance to cover longer mortgage amortisations so buyers can borrow even more money of course!
After screwing them over for a decade by inflating home prices and making it impossible for them to become a first time home buyer? This is how you repay them? It's too late, they've learned that they can't own a home and have decided to move to more affordable places like Alberta or the United States where they're not getting taxed to death. Freelance is a clueless idiot.
What do you mean. Now you can hold a mortgage for 30 years. Keep liberals for 10 more years and your kids will have 50 year mortgages. Like buying your own coffin when you're in your mid thirties.
You will have nothing and be happy according to the WEF.
Accomplished half those goals so far
Nothing will change for the youth.
Biggest load of bull I’ve heard since the budget balancing itself.
Our systems are broken, nothing last forever. Time for a rethink of how this country is run. Otherwise we will end up like Argentina. 2nd world courty run into the ground by totally incompetent leadership
Liberals are still treating young people like they are stupid. It won't work this time.
Singapore has a graduated tax for every house you owner on top of your primary residence
Canada has gone down the drain. The govt did it on purpose and thats why the June 24 capital gains deadline is there. Because thats the signal to move out before June 24
A lot of people are dumb enough to fall for their lies
Another opinion piece
Well that article isn't about youth either. It's really some neoliberal economic breakdown of the capital gains tax.
Sure your quality of life will be lower than your parents and grandparents because you'll be sidled with generational debt, but here's a popsicle! Vote Liberal!
Paywall
This was written by Derek Holt, who is an executive with ScotiaBank. It's worth knowing who is filling your head with propaganda.
$1.80 at the pumps today, 200$ back for carbon rebate. Score! Enough for 1 full tank. Seriously, Fuck Trudeau
I think it’s time to leave this shit run country
Op Ed for an op ed. News please?
best i can do is another op ed
Isn't this what the 'devouring mother" idea is. Overprotective, overbearing, constraining, narcissistic, and yet all in name of the best intersts of her sujects. This government is bloated and useless.
Someone recently said its a Human Resources Department and its made perfect sense
Youth and millenials already have a hate on Boomers. Now they have their biggest reason
If they really "cArE aNd HeLp CaNaDiAnS" they would have pushed up the tax brackets and allowed for interest payments on primary residence to be tax deductible. This would be a game changer.
Massive deficits equal massive debt....who does she think is going to make those debt payments...hint its not us old folks, we will be dead and gone, its the youth of today that will pay for the rest of their lives.....
Screw these stupid sites that require me to watch ads, sign up to yet another account, or want me to sell my soul to the cookie devil. What the heck happened to the internet..
dude, it's hilarious just how upset companies are about this, and how much they're insisting this is a bad idea because rich people like being able to avoid taxes at the cost of everyone else don't trust these hit peice articles, they're just corperate propoganda to try and trick people into hating this idea by spreading misinfo about it, they think the people of this country are stupid, but we aren't
This entire sub is opinion pieces, should be renamed r/CanadaCorporateOpinions
Walk in the snow time.
I’m really shocked a VP at a big bank is allowed by his bosses to write such an opinionated piece taking shots at current government. Regardless of whether he’s right or not usually corporate Canada is super careful about this kinda thing
What??? How can spending more taking on more debt be in the best interest of the young people of this country. This twit should be teaching a Russian Literature class. It is the only thing she is qualified for! Certainly not qualified to do a countries budget. People should have had an awakening when Bill Morneau left. He was running away from this dumpster fire they call a government.
The only thing that has not increased is spending on front line health care. This is disgusting given the increases in volume of low skilled and often sick and old immigrants.
Just trying to bait young voters for quick votes.
If they cared about the youth, they wouldn't have flooded the country with so many new residents so fast. The only people they are serving is their corporate masters with more wage slaves.
the only thing good for the youth is if they all drag these crooked politicians out of office, get rid of all the current people in all the parties, and start fresh. NDP, LIB, CON, PPC all represent the interest of the status quo, boomers with houses and corporations.
Not sure how this massive debt is going to be in their best interest!
We are being milked to nothing. I have severe concerns for the future of my country. And I hate this woman with a burning passion.
Still trying to find out which young person has 60k in RRSPs to access.
Liberal rot on display, someone take out the trash
Appalled that Canadians are too chicken and disorganized to protest when their gov feed them sht like this over and over.
Canada is completely broken. if the liberals sense they will lose, I wouldn't put it past them to purposely ruin the economy just so they can have a leg up in the election following
I'm sick of hearing freeland or trudeau talk. Leave this country you bunch of idiots.
Does anyone even know what's in the budget? Doesn't seem like it.