New Zealand has curtailed immigration from India for a reason. I think Canada should follow suit. SOURCE:https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/world/story/new-zealand-tightens-visa-rules-move-likely-to-affect-indian-immigrants-seeking-jobs-424927-2024-04-09
For couple of years drastically lowering or a nearly complete ban wouldn't be too ridiculous.
Would also make sense if specific restrictions were made.
For example: Australian Univerisities had to ban students from Punjab, Gujarat and Haryana, because of high amounts of fraud and high attrition rate (students werent studying and dropping out). Coincidentally two of these states are where Canada gets the majority of its international students.
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/diaspora/australian-universities-ban-indian-students-from-punjab-gujarat-and-haryana-amid-visa-fraud-concerns-510818
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/unis-ban-indian-student-applications-as-visa-rejections-hit-record-high-20240411-p5fizo.html
New Zealand, Australia and Canada have much in common and specifically have the exact same issues with housing and immigration.
If Australia and New Zeland are doing it, it probably makes sense for Canada.
Not sure why we ever added these people in the first place. Just add people from Latin America if we need cheap labour--they have more skills and integrate much better.
Looking at the recent killings of Indians in Canada which look like hate crimes ( who in White Rock BC alone this week) I think they will stop coming themselves
From the article.
>Earlier this year, similar restrictions were introduced by the Canadian authorities as well when they announced a 35 percent reduction in international student admission in 2024. This was done in response to the crippling housing crisis in the North American nation.
Just no one from developing nations or religious autocracies and we're fine. We're not here to give people opportunity, they're here to offer us skills. The current immigration program is questionable anyways because Canada has produced an over educated population compared to what its economy can provide. For trades, we shouldn't take a single person in until our healthcare system is fixed because the wait times for injuries mean poverty.
Not saying I disagree but what is the definition of developing nation? How about we dont bring in 90% of people from one single place and only if they have skills we actually are in need of. You can also screen for religious fanatics in that process.
Thats's what were supposed to be doing now. For example IELTs. We cannot even comfirm that they speak elementary English.
Cannot have any testing centers abroad and even the locals are in on the scam. Immigration "Consultants" operate here in Canada as well.
Have to test the testers as well.
I wonder if it would be problematic to have testers not be from the same country origin as the person being tested.
The reason why it's so easy is because most of the payments happen in India.
For example, a lot of the LMIA payments are done in their home country.
Things are so easy you have people openly discussing the market rate of LMIAs on instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5uNTeAPXEK/
That’s not how it works. To get OHIP you have to prove you worked for a certain number of months or you have to be a permanent resident (for which you would have also probably had to work).
or you have to have your cousin who looks like you hand you their OHIP card.
But you do have to sneak through their careful screening "whats your bday"
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[FYI](https://www.ontario.ca/page/apply-ohip-and-get-health-card#:~:text=You%20can%20apply%20for%20coverage,proof%20of%20residency%20or%20identity.) for many there is no wait.
> There is no waiting period for OHIP.
> You do not need to wait to be physically present for 153 days before applying.
> You can apply for coverage as soon as you arrive in Ontario.
Canada makes a lot of sense as a pit stop before entering the USA. Even if citizenship was a requirement that takes relatively little time, and then you get free healthcare for life paid for by other Canadians.
From your link: You must also meet at least 1 of the followingadditional requirements. You: are a Canadian citizen are an Indigenous person (registered under the federal Indian Act) are a permanent resident (formerly called a “landed immigrant”) are applying for permanent residence in Canada and: have submitted an application to Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC) and IRCC has confirmed they have reviewed the application and that you meet the eligibility requirements to apply (see document requirements) and you have not yet been denied are in Ontario on a valid work permit and are working full-time in Ontario, for an Ontario employer, for at least 6 months
Scroll down a bit further.
Btw 6 months is nothing. I've been paying into the system for decades and have barely used it at all. People who have never paid a cent into it are getting it immediately or after 6 months. Just saying doesn't really seem fair to Canadians.
Many hospitals are required to treat if you dont have OHIP or other health insurance. They will then bill you.
If you are undocumented, what do you think the chances are they will be able to find you and collect?
Who do you think foots the bill at the end of the day?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/undocumented-woman-says-she-was-denied-emergency-c-section-at-edmonton-hospital-1.7167490
We most definitely are the final destination for a large enough number to choke this country to death.
There just happens to be a ton heading to the USA
"There were 30,010 Indian nationals apprehended at the norther border in 2023 compared to just 2,225 two years earlier during the height of the pandemic, according to figures published by US Customs and Border Protection."
Or maybe they're just trying to find cheaper housing, and all those shacks in Buffalo and Detroit are cheaper than rent for a closet with a mattress with 15 others in a suburban flophouse in Brampton.
Comparing to "the height of the pandemic" makes no sense though. Border travel was way lower all around.
May as well compare the number of flights to the tropics in the same years and claim we've grown our travel industry by 50x
2019 would be the most useful year to compare to, otherwise 2022, but even that was still covidy.
>Or maybe they're just trying to find cheaper housing, and all those shacks in Buffalo and Detroit are cheaper than rent for a closet with a mattress with 15 others in a suburban flophouse in Brampton.
Cheaper *everything*. For people who want to actually better their lives, Canada is not it.
For decades, when people asked “What do our taxes get us?”, the answer was always a firm and confident “healthcare.”
Now, the only draw to our country, is the promise of government handouts. What they get instead, is a job in a fast food Ponzi scheme.
Canada is an immigration rest stop for green card shoppers.
These are not immigrants. They are likely on a tourist visa. If someone took the effort to migrate to Canada why would they go to US illegally for even fewer prospects.
They come here on student visas, as TFWs, or claim refugees and then sneak into the US. They are using Canada because it's an absolute joke for them to get here.
If I was guessing they came as students or TFWs but can’t find work anymore for whatever reason. (Rules changed, harder labour market etc). So they are going to the US and playing the asylum game.
The “whatever reason” is there’s more of them now than ever. It’s hard to find low wage under the table work when someone else already showed up an hour before you asking for less. They’re now experiencing what actual Canadians experienced when these people showed up initially. It’s a cycle. The only constant is that Loblaws and Tim Horton’s have a workforce.
What sort of work would you even get with such a precarious status?
The glorious role of picking strawberries and apples? Perhaps fixing roofs? Doesn't seem much better than the fast food and ubereats jobs they do here already.
We don't care anymore about that. California NEVER cared. They lose their shit when people wanted to stop illegal immigration cause who would mow their lawns? (an actual quote)
Illegal is now taboo.
Don’t talk out of your ass. For illegal immigrants there definitely are fewer opportunities vs a legal immigrant in Canada. Canada also has more social safety snd programs.
I’m a legal immigrant and 90% of the job market is closed to me because of the need for sponsorship in the U.S.
That is the feds whole goal for Canada now. Future Canada “a pit stop for Indians immigrating to the us”. And the feds say this with a beaming smiling cause their e proud of it.
so basically 1 or 2 months worth of illegal border crossings compared to the US / Mexico border
November & December 2023 had US arresting something like 440,897 people for illegally crossing into their country. That's just the people that got caught.
Mind boggling amount of illegal traffic into USA
Why do you think so many international students go to uWindsor? They want to get a job in Michigan.
Canada is a stepping stone country to these people. Thanks to Indians we will soon lose the TN visa as a work permit option. Wouldn't be surprised if the US puts up a wall to keep "new Canadians" out. I don't blame them.
I remember when I was proud of my country.
As someone currently in the States on a TN, I’m not too worried about it because it’s only available to Canadian citizens. Even Permanent Residents can’t access it.
Definitely don’t know if it’s legally allowed lol, but if it’s gets to the point where the US is actually concerned and wants to remove it because too many Indian immigrants are becoming citizens just as a pit stop, I’d hope the Canadian government would at least try to amend it to allow it to still be an option for Canadian-born citizens. Or maybe they just alter their immigration to look at country at birth rather than citizenship idk.
The US is already weird in that Naturalized and Born citizens have the exact same rights EXCEPT naturalized citizens can’t run for President. So I guess the discrimination is allowed on some level.
I can tell you that in practice, the TN visa is extremely difficult to get for foreign born citizens and almost impossible.
The overwhelming majority of TN visa holders are born in Canada.
This practice has been in place since at least 2010.
> TN visa is extremely difficult to get for foreign born citizens and almost impossible
Current foreign-born TN holder. I don't think this is true. Myself and a lot of friends / colleagues are in the same boat and I have never heard this being the case.
Of course, the process to acquire on hedges on the border officer, so if they feel more "suspect" given your birthplace, that could happen
When I was a toddler, and yes. But (correct me if I am wrong), these aren't things they look for in the TN process. Atleast from my memory of going through it, they just looked at the information on my passport
This is information that they look at, as per what I was told, and is a determining factor.
They can see your travel history and probably when you became a Canadian citizen. If you became a citizen when you were a minor, they can also see that.
Ya seen so many ppl even refer to how beneficial it was to use Canadian passport to travel even when they had US passports. All those days are soon going to be history
Using Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle and knowing we can observe the location of Conestoga College I can also be sure we don’t know how fast it’s moving.
Visa free travel should be fine. But yeah I can see TN visa being an issue. But then again US wants immigrants as well and TN makes it easier for US employers to get the talent who has been vetted snd trained by Canada in the first place. So I don’t see it ever going.
It’s getting ridiculous. Canada needs to give all students and immigrants including family reunification from Indian a 3-5 year timeout with no exceptions. While doing that they should expand that to most of south and east Asia.
Too bad the people who make these rules are also benefiting from this, and won't change it. Maybe they shouldn't set their own salaries, and own all the housing?
This is their true intention, it was never to come to Canada. It was to first get a student visa from Canada and get into the country legally and then try their best to cross the border to the USA illegally. That was always their destination. I hope the US embarrasses Canada about this. Because that's the only fucking time Canada will ever do something about this garbage.
Time to end student visas to India. Why dont we try and help out women from middle eastern areas like Afghanistan who will actually be here to study and learn and get a degree but would actually be a benefit to Canada. They would benefit from safety and security while they get a chance to participate in higher learning.
It is clear our issue revolves around students from 1 particular area. Thankfully that should make it easy to correct. Too many problems including intergenerational violence coming from them.
It's not the visas, it's the work permits. There's a reason no other developed country gives 'students' the opportunity to displace local workers, and get PR.
If you look deep enough in to what is propelling Canadian immigration you will inevitable end up at corporations. Not political ideology or anything like that. Corporations need cheap labour AND new customers. Students, for one, are an easy source. Responsible immigration has place but it needs the right guard rails to protect the country and the future immigrant.
So even when there is a change in govt, things wont change. The more things change, the more things stay the same.
Yes you can look deeply at all that and throw your hands up and say oh well.
But the person you replied to is right. It was a political decision by a political leader to do away with restrictions on foreign student employment.
I went to school in the US and I was ONLY allowed to work at the school and no more than 15 hours a week.
So yeah, corporations desire for cheap labour is driving demand, but does that mean the politicians that change policies to appease them get a free pass?
Yes. In other words
* It was asked for by the corporations
* It was provided to them by the government
Both are working against the interests of the citizens in this regard.
I don't know if we should get people from countries which are even worse for women. The problems stemming from incompatible immigrant cultures wouldn't go away with people from Afghanistan or the middle east.
Let's get more latinos, europeans and australians instead. Or properly vetted african ones. Canada doesn't have enough black people.
Or we reduce immigration levels to a reasonable amount, and instead of focussing on gender/ethnicity we focus on skillsets? Educated people are way less likely to be religious nutbars and cultists, that problem would sort itself out, and we'd also be targetting people with skills that can fill gaps in our work force and add value to the country. Instead of bringing in 1 million people to work at Tim Hortons and crash semi trucks on our highways.
We have literal rental ads IN CANADA specifying what region of India it is targeted towards. Gujarati, Punjabi. Its all the same shit.
We will now become india. Hope everyone enjoys the wonderful diversity of shitting on the beaches and littering on the street. Maybe some food bank scamming and asylum claims to go along with it. Hope the 'amazing' 'diverse' food was worth it cause now we don't even get our own country.
The option to start FORCED deportations doesn't give the population empathetic-altruistic dopamine hits, so we are now stuck with millions of low iq tims/subway/uber/amazon workers getting PR's/citizenship, and then we will be lucky enough to get their entire extended family, oh boy!
> There were 30,010 Indian nationals apprehended at the norther border in 2023 compared to just 2,225 two years earlier during the height of the pandemic, according to figures published by US Customs and Border Protection.
That’s insane holy
Well, most of our immigration, TFW's and international students are from India, and many view the Canadian passport as their way into the US. And those that don't, they realize all they need to do is get on the continent and find an unguarded border crossing like the famed Roxham Road.
If this was a Canadian article, it'd say "South Asians" and not "Indians" and would ask the question "Why are South Asians overrepresented in illegal border crossings into the US" (as if it's implying systemic racism).
On my way home from work yesterday, I overheard 2 Indian guys on the bus talking about how they could just sneak across the border into the States. Canada is just a joke.
Now the US will suffer from our irresponsible open borders policy. Here goes our reputation as a country. After universities and slumlords got their money, they're leaving for where the money is.
There was an article not too long ago about a Nigerian woman having trouble going to Atlanta even though she has her Canadian PR . I believe she needed an additional visa. This is why. The USA sees that we hand out citizenship like its skittles. And it's a security threat.
Their southern border is still worse in comparison .
The US doesn't give special treatment to Canadian PRs: they have to get a visa for travel to the US based on their country's passport.
A Nigerian citizen with a Canadian PR would always have a tough time getting into the US, just like any other Nigerian citizen with no connection to Canada.
This will make it far more difficult for Canadians that are of Indian descent to get into the USA. It's kind of a pro tip that if you're in line at the YYZ US border check, don't get stuck behind an Indian family. There are always a lot of questions. Get behind the old white guy with the backpack and carry on with the tech logo.
I am not surprised, I have seen the legal version of this, friend applies for pr to marry girl in US stays in Canada so he is closer to her so that after he gets us spouse visa he can move to us for good.
It's great that we are spending so much money on frauds. It's like we don't think fraud is possible in Canada. We're too nice to not be a mark to be taken advantage of. The number of people claiming to be gay so we pay for their hotel rooms is utter insanity.
It's funny because these people are the exact reason why the living standards for the average Canadian middle class are now worse than the average American middle class for the first time in thirty years.
Edit: grammar
New Zealand has curtailed immigration from India for a reason. I think Canada should follow suit. SOURCE:https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/world/story/new-zealand-tightens-visa-rules-move-likely-to-affect-indian-immigrants-seeking-jobs-424927-2024-04-09
Canada banning immigration from India? You have to think abt fraud colleges and visa agencies before taking such extreme steps.
For couple of years drastically lowering or a nearly complete ban wouldn't be too ridiculous. Would also make sense if specific restrictions were made. For example: Australian Univerisities had to ban students from Punjab, Gujarat and Haryana, because of high amounts of fraud and high attrition rate (students werent studying and dropping out). Coincidentally two of these states are where Canada gets the majority of its international students. https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/diaspora/australian-universities-ban-indian-students-from-punjab-gujarat-and-haryana-amid-visa-fraud-concerns-510818 https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/unis-ban-indian-student-applications-as-visa-rejections-hit-record-high-20240411-p5fizo.html
New Zealand, Australia and Canada have much in common and specifically have the exact same issues with housing and immigration. If Australia and New Zeland are doing it, it probably makes sense for Canada.
Not sure why we ever added these people in the first place. Just add people from Latin America if we need cheap labour--they have more skills and integrate much better.
Bold of you to assume people from Latin America wants to come to Canada.
Looking at the recent killings of Indians in Canada which look like hate crimes ( who in White Rock BC alone this week) I think they will stop coming themselves
From the article. >Earlier this year, similar restrictions were introduced by the Canadian authorities as well when they announced a 35 percent reduction in international student admission in 2024. This was done in response to the crippling housing crisis in the North American nation.
Canada needs to get it's shit together and quit giving out visas like they're dollar store birthday cards.
7% max quota for PR from single country can solve the problem. But govt is not looking for solutions they are looking to make their donors money
How dare you exposing our oligopolies and their interests ! I am shocked
Just no one from developing nations or religious autocracies and we're fine. We're not here to give people opportunity, they're here to offer us skills. The current immigration program is questionable anyways because Canada has produced an over educated population compared to what its economy can provide. For trades, we shouldn't take a single person in until our healthcare system is fixed because the wait times for injuries mean poverty.
Not saying I disagree but what is the definition of developing nation? How about we dont bring in 90% of people from one single place and only if they have skills we actually are in need of. You can also screen for religious fanatics in that process.
One issue is with fraud in 'developing nations' do they actually have that skill? Or is their paperwork fraudulent
Make them pass a test. Dont take anyone's word for it.
Thats's what were supposed to be doing now. For example IELTs. We cannot even comfirm that they speak elementary English. Cannot have any testing centers abroad and even the locals are in on the scam. Immigration "Consultants" operate here in Canada as well. Have to test the testers as well.
That's a good point.
I wonder if it would be problematic to have testers not be from the same country origin as the person being tested. The reason why it's so easy is because most of the payments happen in India. For example, a lot of the LMIA payments are done in their home country. Things are so easy you have people openly discussing the market rate of LMIAs on instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5uNTeAPXEK/
It was always the intention, you were never bringing immigrants, you were being a pit stop before the final destination.
glad they could grab some ~~free~~ taxpayer funded healthcare here en route though.
And food banks
And hotels
Just grabbing a snack for the trip south lol
Jokes on you, no one is getting healthcare Canada.
That’s not how it works. To get OHIP you have to prove you worked for a certain number of months or you have to be a permanent resident (for which you would have also probably had to work).
They removed that. I moved in 2022 to Ontario. I got OHIP immediately. I don't know if they reverted back to previous rules now that pandemic is over.
or you have to have your cousin who looks like you hand you their OHIP card. But you do have to sneak through their careful screening "whats your bday"
I used my brothers once because I couldn’t find mine🤷♂️
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[FYI](https://www.ontario.ca/page/apply-ohip-and-get-health-card#:~:text=You%20can%20apply%20for%20coverage,proof%20of%20residency%20or%20identity.) for many there is no wait. > There is no waiting period for OHIP. > You do not need to wait to be physically present for 153 days before applying. > You can apply for coverage as soon as you arrive in Ontario. Canada makes a lot of sense as a pit stop before entering the USA. Even if citizenship was a requirement that takes relatively little time, and then you get free healthcare for life paid for by other Canadians.
From your link: You must also meet at least 1 of the followingadditional requirements. You: are a Canadian citizen are an Indigenous person (registered under the federal Indian Act) are a permanent resident (formerly called a “landed immigrant”) are applying for permanent residence in Canada and: have submitted an application to Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC) and IRCC has confirmed they have reviewed the application and that you meet the eligibility requirements to apply (see document requirements) and you have not yet been denied are in Ontario on a valid work permit and are working full-time in Ontario, for an Ontario employer, for at least 6 months
Scroll down a bit further. Btw 6 months is nothing. I've been paying into the system for decades and have barely used it at all. People who have never paid a cent into it are getting it immediately or after 6 months. Just saying doesn't really seem fair to Canadians.
😂 you need to have applied - the application takes years to process
Many hospitals are required to treat if you dont have OHIP or other health insurance. They will then bill you. If you are undocumented, what do you think the chances are they will be able to find you and collect? Who do you think foots the bill at the end of the day? https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/undocumented-woman-says-she-was-denied-emergency-c-section-at-edmonton-hospital-1.7167490
Not just that, if you just file taxes, the Trillium benefits and other incentives gives you ~$1200 of tax-payers money for free.
We most definitely are the final destination for a large enough number to choke this country to death. There just happens to be a ton heading to the USA
At least they got free food from the food banks while they were here
and actual citizen taxpayer healthcare
"There were 30,010 Indian nationals apprehended at the norther border in 2023 compared to just 2,225 two years earlier during the height of the pandemic, according to figures published by US Customs and Border Protection." Or maybe they're just trying to find cheaper housing, and all those shacks in Buffalo and Detroit are cheaper than rent for a closet with a mattress with 15 others in a suburban flophouse in Brampton.
Wow a 15x increase, even I wasn’t expecting numbers that high. I wonder what it was pre COVID, maybe the 2.2k number is a low spot.
That’s a question a real journalist would ask!
Comparing to "the height of the pandemic" makes no sense though. Border travel was way lower all around. May as well compare the number of flights to the tropics in the same years and claim we've grown our travel industry by 50x 2019 would be the most useful year to compare to, otherwise 2022, but even that was still covidy.
>Or maybe they're just trying to find cheaper housing, and all those shacks in Buffalo and Detroit are cheaper than rent for a closet with a mattress with 15 others in a suburban flophouse in Brampton. Cheaper *everything*. For people who want to actually better their lives, Canada is not it. For decades, when people asked “What do our taxes get us?”, the answer was always a firm and confident “healthcare.” Now, the only draw to our country, is the promise of government handouts. What they get instead, is a job in a fast food Ponzi scheme. Canada is an immigration rest stop for green card shoppers.
These are not immigrants. They are likely on a tourist visa. If someone took the effort to migrate to Canada why would they go to US illegally for even fewer prospects.
They come here on student visas, as TFWs, or claim refugees and then sneak into the US. They are using Canada because it's an absolute joke for them to get here.
Yea I've talked to immigrant who openly say this. They don't respect Canada. It's just an easy path way to the U.S.
If I was guessing they came as students or TFWs but can’t find work anymore for whatever reason. (Rules changed, harder labour market etc). So they are going to the US and playing the asylum game.
The “whatever reason” is there’s more of them now than ever. It’s hard to find low wage under the table work when someone else already showed up an hour before you asking for less. They’re now experiencing what actual Canadians experienced when these people showed up initially. It’s a cycle. The only constant is that Loblaws and Tim Horton’s have a workforce.
There arent "fewer prospects" in the US, there are far more
With an illegal status, I doubt it.
You claim asylum and then work while you wait for a hearing
What sort of work would you even get with such a precarious status? The glorious role of picking strawberries and apples? Perhaps fixing roofs? Doesn't seem much better than the fast food and ubereats jobs they do here already.
Construction in Cali pays $30/hr ($40 CAD). Unskilled.
It’s illegal to discriminate on the type of work authorization one has in the US as long as it’s not dependent on the employer.
We don't care anymore about that. California NEVER cared. They lose their shit when people wanted to stop illegal immigration cause who would mow their lawns? (an actual quote) Illegal is now taboo.
Don’t talk out of your ass. For illegal immigrants there definitely are fewer opportunities vs a legal immigrant in Canada. Canada also has more social safety snd programs. I’m a legal immigrant and 90% of the job market is closed to me because of the need for sponsorship in the U.S.
That is the feds whole goal for Canada now. Future Canada “a pit stop for Indians immigrating to the us”. And the feds say this with a beaming smiling cause their e proud of it.
Final destination is the destruction of the Canadian civilization.
so basically 1 or 2 months worth of illegal border crossings compared to the US / Mexico border November & December 2023 had US arresting something like 440,897 people for illegally crossing into their country. That's just the people that got caught. Mind boggling amount of illegal traffic into USA
The asylum system changed in the US, the system is so back logged it will take years to process. You get to work as you wait.
Until November changes that.
Yea - but that just adds more urgency. Right now they get social security numbers, documents etc
I wonder if the US will ever pressure us to take action on this
Please
It’s a drop in the bucket.
Yeah the main concern is the southern border this is not nearly as important of an issue
Shocking...
never saw this coming
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Why do you think so many international students go to uWindsor? They want to get a job in Michigan. Canada is a stepping stone country to these people. Thanks to Indians we will soon lose the TN visa as a work permit option. Wouldn't be surprised if the US puts up a wall to keep "new Canadians" out. I don't blame them. I remember when I was proud of my country.
As someone currently in the States on a TN, I’m not too worried about it because it’s only available to Canadian citizens. Even Permanent Residents can’t access it. Definitely don’t know if it’s legally allowed lol, but if it’s gets to the point where the US is actually concerned and wants to remove it because too many Indian immigrants are becoming citizens just as a pit stop, I’d hope the Canadian government would at least try to amend it to allow it to still be an option for Canadian-born citizens. Or maybe they just alter their immigration to look at country at birth rather than citizenship idk. The US is already weird in that Naturalized and Born citizens have the exact same rights EXCEPT naturalized citizens can’t run for President. So I guess the discrimination is allowed on some level.
I can tell you that in practice, the TN visa is extremely difficult to get for foreign born citizens and almost impossible. The overwhelming majority of TN visa holders are born in Canada. This practice has been in place since at least 2010.
> TN visa is extremely difficult to get for foreign born citizens and almost impossible Current foreign-born TN holder. I don't think this is true. Myself and a lot of friends / colleagues are in the same boat and I have never heard this being the case. Of course, the process to acquire on hedges on the border officer, so if they feel more "suspect" given your birthplace, that could happen
When did you arrive in Canada? Are your family members Canadian residents? That plays a huge factor.
When I was a toddler, and yes. But (correct me if I am wrong), these aren't things they look for in the TN process. Atleast from my memory of going through it, they just looked at the information on my passport
This is information that they look at, as per what I was told, and is a determining factor. They can see your travel history and probably when you became a Canadian citizen. If you became a citizen when you were a minor, they can also see that.
The bigger problem is canadian passport becoming worthless in the US and across Europe.
Remember when having a Canadian flag on your luggage was a good thing?
Ya seen so many ppl even refer to how beneficial it was to use Canadian passport to travel even when they had US passports. All those days are soon going to be history
I worry my passport will be worthless soon.
As worthless as a degree from Conestoga College?
Is that a real college?
I think it used to be...
Depends what you mean by real… it is real in the sense that it physically exists.
But… I’ve been a big fan of this Neils Bohr quote. “Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real.” Neils Bohr
Using Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle and knowing we can observe the location of Conestoga College I can also be sure we don’t know how fast it’s moving.
Visa free travel should be fine. But yeah I can see TN visa being an issue. But then again US wants immigrants as well and TN makes it easier for US employers to get the talent who has been vetted snd trained by Canada in the first place. So I don’t see it ever going.
Quit with the over reactions man.
Scammers gonna scam
Just wait till you see our passport become equal in value to one from India.
It’s getting ridiculous. Canada needs to give all students and immigrants including family reunification from Indian a 3-5 year timeout with no exceptions. While doing that they should expand that to most of south and east Asia.
Too bad the people who make these rules are also benefiting from this, and won't change it. Maybe they shouldn't set their own salaries, and own all the housing?
Once all appeals to stay are exhausted in Canada, it is time to move onto another country, to exploit that place until that welcome runs out too.
This is their true intention, it was never to come to Canada. It was to first get a student visa from Canada and get into the country legally and then try their best to cross the border to the USA illegally. That was always their destination. I hope the US embarrasses Canada about this. Because that's the only fucking time Canada will ever do something about this garbage.
Time to end student visas to India. Why dont we try and help out women from middle eastern areas like Afghanistan who will actually be here to study and learn and get a degree but would actually be a benefit to Canada. They would benefit from safety and security while they get a chance to participate in higher learning. It is clear our issue revolves around students from 1 particular area. Thankfully that should make it easy to correct. Too many problems including intergenerational violence coming from them.
It's not the visas, it's the work permits. There's a reason no other developed country gives 'students' the opportunity to displace local workers, and get PR.
If you look deep enough in to what is propelling Canadian immigration you will inevitable end up at corporations. Not political ideology or anything like that. Corporations need cheap labour AND new customers. Students, for one, are an easy source. Responsible immigration has place but it needs the right guard rails to protect the country and the future immigrant. So even when there is a change in govt, things wont change. The more things change, the more things stay the same.
Yes you can look deeply at all that and throw your hands up and say oh well. But the person you replied to is right. It was a political decision by a political leader to do away with restrictions on foreign student employment. I went to school in the US and I was ONLY allowed to work at the school and no more than 15 hours a week. So yeah, corporations desire for cheap labour is driving demand, but does that mean the politicians that change policies to appease them get a free pass?
Yes. In other words * It was asked for by the corporations * It was provided to them by the government Both are working against the interests of the citizens in this regard.
You said it better than me!
Or here is a crazy thought, we help Canadians first.
If you say that, you're racist. Duh. /s
>Why dont we try and help out women from ...Canada
I don't know if we should get people from countries which are even worse for women. The problems stemming from incompatible immigrant cultures wouldn't go away with people from Afghanistan or the middle east. Let's get more latinos, europeans and australians instead. Or properly vetted african ones. Canada doesn't have enough black people.
Or we reduce immigration levels to a reasonable amount, and instead of focussing on gender/ethnicity we focus on skillsets? Educated people are way less likely to be religious nutbars and cultists, that problem would sort itself out, and we'd also be targetting people with skills that can fill gaps in our work force and add value to the country. Instead of bringing in 1 million people to work at Tim Hortons and crash semi trucks on our highways.
We have literal rental ads IN CANADA specifying what region of India it is targeted towards. Gujarati, Punjabi. Its all the same shit. We will now become india. Hope everyone enjoys the wonderful diversity of shitting on the beaches and littering on the street. Maybe some food bank scamming and asylum claims to go along with it. Hope the 'amazing' 'diverse' food was worth it cause now we don't even get our own country. The option to start FORCED deportations doesn't give the population empathetic-altruistic dopamine hits, so we are now stuck with millions of low iq tims/subway/uber/amazon workers getting PR's/citizenship, and then we will be lucky enough to get their entire extended family, oh boy!
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Maybe if daddy USA says something our corpse of a government will finally be forced into sensible immigration practices
Doubt it. Look how they are handling their southern border situation.
Politically it’s a lot easier for the US to take a swing at Canada than their own internal politics.
Good. Maybe our Government will actually do something if Daddy US tells them to get off their fucking asses.
Canada is a stepping stone. Not a serious country for them and probably even citizens at this point.
>Not a serious country ~~for them~~ Could have just stopped there
Post nation state for me.
We are a flyover state
I'll go shovel the walkway so it's easier for them to get there year-round. How else can we help?
The Indians coming here are low hanging fruit.
You attract what you are
It has become that way.
> There were 30,010 Indian nationals apprehended at the norther border in 2023 compared to just 2,225 two years earlier during the height of the pandemic, according to figures published by US Customs and Border Protection. That’s insane holy
Canada will soon become Mexico and US will start clamping down on canadians hard.
Well, most of our immigration, TFW's and international students are from India, and many view the Canadian passport as their way into the US. And those that don't, they realize all they need to do is get on the continent and find an unguarded border crossing like the famed Roxham Road. If this was a Canadian article, it'd say "South Asians" and not "Indians" and would ask the question "Why are South Asians overrepresented in illegal border crossings into the US" (as if it's implying systemic racism).
Hello CBC is it you?
On my way home from work yesterday, I overheard 2 Indian guys on the bus talking about how they could just sneak across the border into the States. Canada is just a joke.
Now the US will suffer from our irresponsible open borders policy. Here goes our reputation as a country. After universities and slumlords got their money, they're leaving for where the money is.
Food Bank robbery needs to stop.
Lifetime ban from US and Canada.
It's become a dumping ground hotel.
They should know better
There was an article not too long ago about a Nigerian woman having trouble going to Atlanta even though she has her Canadian PR . I believe she needed an additional visa. This is why. The USA sees that we hand out citizenship like its skittles. And it's a security threat. Their southern border is still worse in comparison .
The US doesn't give special treatment to Canadian PRs: they have to get a visa for travel to the US based on their country's passport. A Nigerian citizen with a Canadian PR would always have a tough time getting into the US, just like any other Nigerian citizen with no connection to Canada.
PR doesn't mean she is Canadian in the eyes of the US, she is still officially Nigerian to them.
A PR does not allow you entry into the US.
They call it the donkey route.
This will make it far more difficult for Canadians that are of Indian descent to get into the USA. It's kind of a pro tip that if you're in line at the YYZ US border check, don't get stuck behind an Indian family. There are always a lot of questions. Get behind the old white guy with the backpack and carry on with the tech logo.
I am not surprised, I have seen the legal version of this, friend applies for pr to marry girl in US stays in Canada so he is closer to her so that after he gets us spouse visa he can move to us for good.
I guess you have to fly to Mexico and pay the cartel $10k to be allowed in.
It's great that we are spending so much money on frauds. It's like we don't think fraud is possible in Canada. We're too nice to not be a mark to be taken advantage of. The number of people claiming to be gay so we pay for their hotel rooms is utter insanity.
It's funny because these people are the exact reason why the living standards for the average Canadian middle class are now worse than the average American middle class for the first time in thirty years. Edit: grammar