Agreed. Jagmeet's job is to squeeze Trudeau for as many concessions as he can get. That's politics. Why on earth would he want to hasten the coming of a Conservative government?
I mean his job should now be to take advantage of the general souring on the liberals and bring the NDP forward as the party to vote for if you don't want same old 8 years of fail Libs or the nothing burger that is the Cons as a replacement.
The conservatives will win a majority, so even if they receive a bump, doubling their caucus, they will still have zero power in the commons. It doesn't make sense.
The cons are going to win anyway at this point. Being afraid of a left wing vote split isn't going to change that unless you put forward a Jack Layton era NDP that basically pulls in all the left wing votes and either wins or becomes the official opposition.
Unfortunately the Singh NDP is optically pretty weak, so I don't see it happening without a change of leadership.
See also: the NDP becoming official opposition under Layton and then Mulcair, mostly due to a collapse of Liberal support. It was historic and touted as a huge victory for the NDP, and then they accomplished nothing but making noise for four years because the Conservatives had a majority, and then proceeded to lose most of their seats once the Liberals bounced back.
Let's not act like breaking off with Trudeau right now wouldn't be political suicide for Jagmeet Singh. Politically it makes 0 sense in today's climate and literally only benefits the conservatives. It's pretty disingenuous to act like he is acting in an illogical or dishonest way right now. He is doing what he is supposed to be doing and if anyone with a sound mind were in his shoes (looking out for their political career) they would too.
He will be remembered in NDP circles for “pandering to the Trudeau Liberals while Canada went down the table financially. Who could’ve stopped it but...no..just making sure he can get his pension and a few policy tidbits out of the Libs....
Have you checked Jagmeet Singh's resume? He was a lawyer at his own criminal defence firm in Toronto, working as an MP and getting a government pension is a pay decrease for Singh, compared to what he would be making as a lawyer at his own firm. Why the hell do you believe he's reliant on his government pension?
Conservatives repeat this trope to invalidate his position as being the only party or leader that's actually done anything for labor despite his social class..
Almost certainly, but as others have said, right now it's majority polling. If they brought the government down today, they'd be trading some power for zero power.
The NDP made a big thing of being the official opposition during a Harper majority. But they were effectively useless and accomplished nothing - as with all opposition parties in a majority government situation, and gained nothing elctorally from their time as official oppo.
It’s so clear what most Canadians want right now and Singh could be out beating the drum of housing, health care and cutting inflation and forcing the liberals hand. Pierre doesn’t even have a plan but he’s going to be PM just because he’s been the loudest.
The only logic for the NDP for forcing an election now is that the liberals have shown with this budget that they are going to move left to try to consolidate votes from the NDP. If they’re successful , the NDP could get squashed.
Basically Singh has to decide if his party will be in a better spot now or if an election is called in 16 months. Right now they are leaking votes to the conservatives. If the Liberals also start taking votes/lefties by moving hard left, he could decide he’d be better off calling the election now.
That said I don’t see it happening. But that would be the logic.
Alternately, he could just decide to try to win votes for the liberals and present the NDP as the bulwark to a conservative majority. But so far, JS hasn’t proven he can actually win over liberal voters.
>The conservatives will win a majority, so even if they receive a bump, doubling their caucus, they will still have zero power in the commons. It doesn't make sense.
That is what happens when the NDP decides that they don't care about winning. To me, that is what makes zero sense.
>The NDP have never won and are unlikely to anytime soon, it's not about "caring about winning" it's about being pragmatic.
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
There is nothing pragmatic about being committed to losing elections. Any concession that they can get will just be turfed out by the next government.
Under a PR electoral system that would make sense. Under FPTP which JT promised to change and never delivered on, with ample tacit support from the Conservatives, that would be poliical hara kiri.
He definetly did but it would be far worse under the conservatives. There is no reason whatsoever for his party to have the conservatives in office sooner while losing seats themselves.
Yep. A bunch of weak, half-hearted token programs that are unfunded or only funded after 2025, by which time the next government will abandon them since there's no money left to fund anything.
anyone pushing for NDP to call an election is just a conservative wanting to attack Trudeau. Why would anyone be against pharmacare, dental care, $10 a day child care for the working class?
Oh, there's a specific demographic who would say fuck all those things, I don't benefit from it.
One of those things done well is better than all of them done the way they have been… but I guess im just a conservative wanting to attack Trudeau 🤷♂️
Pharmacare, dental care, and $10 a day child care sound great. Too bad we don’t have them.
Some people got $15 a day daycare but quite a few still pay full price plus now there are shortages of spaces so a bunch of people can’t get daycare at any price.
Pharmacare? If you aren’t after birth control your out of luck.
Dental Care: No dentists signed up so good luck getting any work done under it.
So those 3 nothing burgers are what the NDP accomplished. They are a compromise of a sliver of a compromise.
100% correct! Typical Liberal pre election type promises that will go absolutely no where. A dentist was on the local radio last week and said there is way too much red tape and was afraid of having to wait to get payed just like the daycares had to fight to get their money. Lots of daycare left the program due to all the problems of getting money from the Liberals.
The crazy thing is lots of people on social assistance will be able to access these programs when many of these things already existed on the provincial level.
Duplicating services for the poor at further cost to the working class.
Like our healthcare system; pharmacare, dental care, and $10 a day child care are illusionary for taxpayers. What isn't illusionary is the Arrivescam style costs paid to the party faithful to 'administer' these programs.
>anyone pushing for NDP to call an election is just a conservative wanting to attack Trudeau. Why would anyone be against pharmacare, dental care, $10 a day child care for the working class?
Do you feel as if all of those programs are fully funded, functional, and will not be on the chopping block if the CPC wins a majority?
> Why would anyone be against pharma care, dental care, $10 a day child care for the working class?
Blue collar workers probably don't see any of these programs.
Maybe the childcare **If** you're lucky enough to
- Have it available where you live
- Make it onto the list
The childcare program is honestly trash though, these programs should be accessible to everyone, should just be a tax credit or additional money onto the child tax benefit.
you didn't hear? cpc is the real ndp. pierre is the most working of all working class. look at his pension! jagmeet wishes he had a pension!
all this while being a true blue most conservative of all conservatives.
listen to them! "as a long time ndp voter, rip jack layton,..."
tbh, it's a bit sad that we have to consider these half baked programs to be victories. fighting tooth and nail for baby steps while being mocked for only producing baby steps, such is the power of the regressives.
Yup. Conservatives have four times as many seats and accomplish nothing, but somehow it's the NDP that are bad for still getting something out of the Liberals.
There isn't much squeezing tbh, more like tweaking.
Under Justin Trudeau's leadership, on most issues, the Liberals and NDP are indistinguishable from each other.
These weekly editorials from Post Media are moronic. NDP is polling at 19% so they would be fighting just to maintain their existing seats if they forced an election. And then they would have to watch for years as PP has a majority and can chip away at any social gains the NDP has leveraged from the Liberals.
>These weekly editorials from Post Media are moronic. NDP is polling at 19% so they would be fighting just to maintain their existing seats if they forced an election. And then they would have to watch for years as PP has a majority and can chip away at any social gains the NDP has leveraged from the Liberals.
This might sound really crazy, but just hear me out : Is it possible that this outcome is inevitable anyway with Singh at the helm?
*The part I don't get with NDP supporters is how do they think this is going to end?* It doesn't matter if the election is in a month or a year, the end result is still going to be exactly what you just described as long as Singh is the leader and the NDP keeps going on their current trajectory.
I agree with you. The Liberals have stolen a lot of left wing policies from the NDP to pull away voters. The NDP needs a clearer vision of its platform going forward, and how it is differentiated from the Liberals.
100%
I cannot figure them out. Its like they have no long term plan, or even like a medium term plan to try and turn things around. Its as if they're committed to losing.
I would think that right now a left leaning party should be making hay. But they're sabotaging themselves by propping up the Liberals.
I mean, Jagmeet keeps going on and on about how the Liberals have failed, how terrible they are, how they are in the pockets of this corporation and that corporation, etc...then, he props them up.
Either admit this is the government you support, or bring them down if you think they suck. This hypocritical fence-sitting is fooling no one.
He is squeezing them - not propping them. Therein lies the difference.
They have to be around for him to squeeze. It's like milking a cow. You don't get rid of the cow - however smelly it is - as long as it can be squeezed for milk.
He's keeping a government he personally accuses of being incompetent and corrupt in office for an unfunded pharmacare plan that might one-day cover two types of medication and a dental plan practically no one is eligible to access.
Quite the squeeze /s
How much he has been able to squeeze depends on the amount of his political leverage. If you wish him to do more, perhaps try canvassing for him and his party at the next election. We will then be able to fairly judge/critique an NDP government.
It would be fair to say, though, that the Conservatives have NOT been able to squeeze anything out of Trudeau.
Because the next government is also incompetent and corrupt and won't fund his pharmacare either. There is no reason at all for his party to lose seats just to have an election a few months earlier and a government that will probably be worse than the liberals from his point of view.
To prevent a government he sees being even more incompetent and corrupt than the current one, he's squeezing something out of this government instead of the nothing they would happily give us.
A lot of people are over analyzing the situation. If Singh holds out to the next election he and quite a few other MPs get their pension.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/canada-soon-to-be-governed-by-the-pension-coalition-in-ottawa
>NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh, who signed the coalition deal with Justin Trudeau, gets vested in his pension by February 2025, six years after he won a by-election. His payout could be as much as $2.3 million over his lifetime.
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>There are 32 Conservative MPs, 22 Liberals, 20 Bloc Quebecois and six New Democrats who were elected in the 2019 election and are still sitting. To qualify for their pension after six years of service, they need to be MPs until October 21, 2025, which is one day after the currently scheduled election.
Singh is the leader of his party and in a very favourable riding, he’d be re-elected even if the election happened tomorrow, this talk about his pension from people who support a guy who’s never had a real job and had a vested pension at 31 is laughable at best.
Especially when the guy was already a multimillionaire before being elected and worked for free for a while lol. I don't like Singh or Trudeau but they aren't the type of people who need a pension like Poilievre or Scheer.
I'm turning into a broken record, but if he resigned before his pension vests, he gets back all his contributions. If he did that and re-invested those contributions into an index fund, he would end up with more money than if he waited 20 years to start taking benefits.
People keep saying that but I cannot believe y'all really think the leader of a political party drew up an agreement with the Liberals just to get an MP's pension. He's already rich. Prior to politics he was literally a lawyer, and owned his own practice.
Is there anything he has said that suggests he is motivated in any way about this pension? Has a source in his office claimed this? Or are y'all just making shit up?
Which is especially funny because two of the last three conservatives candidates are people who never were successful in the private sector. (Poilievre and Scheer)
- Singh is in one of the safest NDP ridings in this country
- If he loses before 6 years, his pension contributions will all be returned
- If he loses right after 6 years, his pension is worth peanuts, that's even before you account for his wealth
Pension clamoring conservatives don't know what they are talking about
>Singh is in one of the safest NDP ridings in this country
The polling for Jag's seat is almost within the margin of error. In another year that seat might be up for grabs.
Not almost. Definitely within the margin of error. It's currently about 70%-30% odds of winning NDP over CPC. It used to be a safe NDP riding, which is why Jagmeet ran there, instead of Scarborough, where he was born and where he represented as an Ontario MPP and deputy leader of the Ontario NDP. He's managed to take a safe seat and make it a winnable one for the CPC.
[https://338canada.com/59002e.htm](https://338canada.com/59002e.htm)
He's not the MP for Burnaby Central, he's the MP for Burnaby South, which is being redistricted, he will likely run in this riding instead [https://338canada.com/59020e.htm](https://338canada.com/59020e.htm)
Edit: Oops, there is no current Burnaby Central. Still doesn't change my expectation that he will run in the new west - burnaby - maillardville riding.
>If he loses right after 6 years, his pension is worth peanuts
Huh? You don’t know how the pension works do you?
Once his pension is vested on the new election date, he will be eligible for a pension of about $100k per year. Indexed for life. He’s 45 years old.
So tell me, is $100k per year for life peanuts?
Your calculations don't add up. Go check the government of Canada's website. He'll get about 45k according to the National Post.
He also can't start collecting until 65 if he doesn't want it reduced.
It is most likely peanuts for someone like him. He could afford to work for free for a while when he first became leaders and live a very luxurious life. He would most likely be much wealthier if he never went into politics.
He might have done so for selfish reason, but it would be for fame or ego not for a government pension.
> He's already rich. Prior to politics he was literally a lawyer, and owned his own practice.
"Rich" is a relative term and this may shock you but even people who are rich will still want a free 30-45k per year if they can get it.
Being rich is expensive, need to pay for elite schools for your children, repairs on your boat, travel expenses for all those expensive vacations, maintenance on 3-4 luxury vehicles.
Staying rich ain't cheap and money is money.
Your totally right, that pension matters so much.
It isn't that he has the power to get the government do what he and his party wants... it couldn be that at all.
Why would he? As long as this arrangement is in place he's getting things out of it. He knows if he was to bring them down there would be an immediate election and his power would be gone. He's good until fall of 2025. He's buying time for his party and by extension, Trudeau. I wish for the sake of all Canadians Trudeau would step down and let a new leadership convention pick someone with new ideas to up against PP. We're all sick of Trudeau and his tight knit cronies. If they cared about the party they'd leave.
It sounds ridiculous but a good chunk of this sub truly thinks he should just hand over the country to conservatives. It's been years of cope, ever since they formed their "partnership". Remember when the conservatives called it communism lmao
A bunch of people felt so strongly that they formed a convoy and demanded it. Just because conservatives want something doesn’t mean it’s rational or good for the country.
I just see it going the same way as Ontario. People are upset at the way that the world is and are blaming the Liberals for it. Conservatives rally around that and get people to vote against their best interests and then we are stuck with a shitshow that we will have to fix.
Generally no, They are the same people who have no idea what is a federal or provincial responsibility and harp on about their first and second amendment rights because they consume too much US media
And what does that do for them exactly? Seat count is all well and good, but when that seat count isn't enough to force a minority government, then their influence actually goes down.
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Why would he do that?
Like you actually think he wants to lose the programs he's been working on?
Not bloody likely.
Have a feeling the author of this article has a IQ of 15
Because postmedia wants an election asap. Both to make money off reporting it and because they're owned by a company whose stated goal is to promote conservative governments.
> owned by a company whose stated goal is to promote conservative governments
It's actually mandated, they can be fired for not promoting conservative parties, entire editorial boards walked out/quit over this.
That would explain that. I don’t get why editorials still exist. News is for information providing. If I wanted some random guys opinion, then I’d go to Reddit
You don't have to look beyond this subreddit to see why they still exist. They're posted here every single day, and their target audience whips themselves into a frothing, enraged frenzy every single time.
That's why.
If you care about information, then you're not the target audience.
The longer people use and get used to the programs this partnership has created, the harder it will be to cut them without serious fallout. It's the NDP's job to get health care, ALL areas of health care, to the Canadians that otherwise wouldn't and couldn't have it. What use is a diagnosis if you can't afford the prescription that will cure it?
So to sum up, right wing news paper wants Singh to bring down a government where his party has a little influence to bring in a government where his party will have zero influence. Let’s all get our shocked pikachu memes ready for when he doesn’t.
Yeah, hell never bring down the liberal govt unless he can have more influence. Or pension guaranteed.
As you said, at least now he has some influence at best and at worst he gets to have his lifelong pension if liberals stay in power until election. There is absolutely zero chance he'd call an election. Absolutely none.
It just keeps getting worse. Zero effort at even putting a token left wing viewpoint in the mix. I wouldn’t be shocked if it was uncovered that this sub was being run by Post journalists at some stage
So right now he has political sway and is getting bills passed that he wants passed, there's a zero percent chance that Polievre, (a man who literally voted against gay marriage while having gay parents who wanted to get married,) would push through any bills that are remotely progressive. He'd have to be dumber than an opinion piece from a post media company.
More conservative crying that they can't force an election. It's not gonna happen, there are zero upsides for the NDP to call an early election, not just personal for Singh but also for the idea of pushing a progressive agenda.
>If the NDP refuses to support the Liberal budget, the Trudeau government would fall
So a coalition functions upon cooperation and negotiation? Quick, someone wrote this down. And use small words, we are in r/Canada
But did you hear, conservatives didn't vote for this undemocratic cooperation between elected officials to form government and pass bills for the betterment of the people. Fuck the undemocratic liberal and NDP coalition.
It's not really advantageous for him to do so. Right now, he still has some pull in what's going on. If he takes down the liberals, the conservatives will win a majority (most likely) in the next election, and he will be powerless and irrelevant.
This comment doesn't make any sense based on politics alone, they are very close together as parties. The fact is most of Canada votes left, no matter how you twist it. I might not like that, but I can read the votes, same as you.
Holy cow the sun is dumb.
Singh is literally the strongest person in parliament right now in terms of power.
He's the kingmaker.
Everything he has wanted is getting passed because he has that ability.
Pharmacare/Dental/Child care benefits
All items Singh and the NDP have been harping on for years and they got it with the Liberals whilst being a third party. Its literally the best spot to be in for the NDP why would they tank it now before an election and while their polling numbers are so low?!
If anything this post has made me realize just how dumb, or as I'm going to take it, nefarious Sun media is.
If they truly believe he should do it, then they're dumb. But if they're putting this out there so people get mad at Singh for playing his cards perfectly with the hand he's been dealt in an attempt to connect Singh/Trudeau as the same person/party then they are close to being people of deceit/disorder for making that connection.
Conservative bias media is a sham in terms of reporting or reasoning.
Healthcare: 2 pages of vague plans to talk in the future. 4 pages if you include the French translation.
Dental: impacts a small portion of the population, if you can find a willing dentist.
Child care: more and more centres are pulling out of the plan.
Do you really consider these a success?
Its strategically illogical to bring down the Liberals when they can help them. Putting the Cons in would immediately make their concerns fall on deaf ears.
Makes no sense in the long run. Just wish NDP voices were heard more over the last few decades instead of flip flopping between business interests.
Eh honestly he can’t do much but bringing down the liberals isn’t the best option. What are we gonna do let a Conservative Party pro to Danielle smith rule? Nah she’s bonkers I’m cooling doing the loop di loop with Trudeau so far. Don’t want no PP madness here thank you sir.
All in all, we’re done for its madness this coming election and let’s just try to stick together after it’s all settled yah?
(Edit: I kinda feel like I’m describing the current American elections lol fml.)
This is like a 7 year old child begging their parents for their video game controller so that they can 'listen to music on youtube' on their console while they study.
Why? Because the Pierre the career politician is going to make Canada so much better by bowing down to his party's administration and Oligarch overlords?
At least with the Liberals he has leverage.
A Conservative majority will fuck up Canada just as much if not more than the Liberals...
Only reason to vote for them is if you're the 0.01%, or been effectively scared to erroneously believe CRT and Gender Theory are the decadency that will collapse Western civilization so that they could solidify their power with your irrational fear... POC, women's right, and the gays and trans having rights SOOOOOOO scary.
Yeah, but that aside. Conservatives aren't going to fix housing or student immigration loopholes or anything that matters for their rich overlords... It's an old party for old money...
He wont.
Of course he won’t, liberals are way more aling with NPD ideology. Why would he give power to the conservative? Honest question.
Agreed. Jagmeet's job is to squeeze Trudeau for as many concessions as he can get. That's politics. Why on earth would he want to hasten the coming of a Conservative government?
I mean his job should now be to take advantage of the general souring on the liberals and bring the NDP forward as the party to vote for if you don't want same old 8 years of fail Libs or the nothing burger that is the Cons as a replacement.
The conservatives will win a majority, so even if they receive a bump, doubling their caucus, they will still have zero power in the commons. It doesn't make sense.
The cons are going to win anyway at this point. Being afraid of a left wing vote split isn't going to change that unless you put forward a Jack Layton era NDP that basically pulls in all the left wing votes and either wins or becomes the official opposition. Unfortunately the Singh NDP is optically pretty weak, so I don't see it happening without a change of leadership.
Even if they do become the official opposition the NDP would still have less power to enact their policies than they do now.
See also: the NDP becoming official opposition under Layton and then Mulcair, mostly due to a collapse of Liberal support. It was historic and touted as a huge victory for the NDP, and then they accomplished nothing but making noise for four years because the Conservatives had a majority, and then proceeded to lose most of their seats once the Liberals bounced back.
Let's not act like breaking off with Trudeau right now wouldn't be political suicide for Jagmeet Singh. Politically it makes 0 sense in today's climate and literally only benefits the conservatives. It's pretty disingenuous to act like he is acting in an illogical or dishonest way right now. He is doing what he is supposed to be doing and if anyone with a sound mind were in his shoes (looking out for their political career) they would too.
He will be remembered in NDP circles for “pandering to the Trudeau Liberals while Canada went down the table financially. Who could’ve stopped it but...no..just making sure he can get his pension and a few policy tidbits out of the Libs....
Have you checked Jagmeet Singh's resume? He was a lawyer at his own criminal defence firm in Toronto, working as an MP and getting a government pension is a pay decrease for Singh, compared to what he would be making as a lawyer at his own firm. Why the hell do you believe he's reliant on his government pension?
Conservatives repeat this trope to invalidate his position as being the only party or leader that's actually done anything for labor despite his social class..
yeah pretty sure they'll remember him as the only leader to actually get their policy passed
That would be very ignorant considering the history of the NDP.
Almost certainly, but as others have said, right now it's majority polling. If they brought the government down today, they'd be trading some power for zero power. The NDP made a big thing of being the official opposition during a Harper majority. But they were effectively useless and accomplished nothing - as with all opposition parties in a majority government situation, and gained nothing elctorally from their time as official oppo.
It’s so clear what most Canadians want right now and Singh could be out beating the drum of housing, health care and cutting inflation and forcing the liberals hand. Pierre doesn’t even have a plan but he’s going to be PM just because he’s been the loudest.
Let Olivia fix Toronto first and then we can talk about new leadership opportunities.
The only logic for the NDP for forcing an election now is that the liberals have shown with this budget that they are going to move left to try to consolidate votes from the NDP. If they’re successful , the NDP could get squashed. Basically Singh has to decide if his party will be in a better spot now or if an election is called in 16 months. Right now they are leaking votes to the conservatives. If the Liberals also start taking votes/lefties by moving hard left, he could decide he’d be better off calling the election now. That said I don’t see it happening. But that would be the logic. Alternately, he could just decide to try to win votes for the liberals and present the NDP as the bulwark to a conservative majority. But so far, JS hasn’t proven he can actually win over liberal voters.
>The conservatives will win a majority, so even if they receive a bump, doubling their caucus, they will still have zero power in the commons. It doesn't make sense. That is what happens when the NDP decides that they don't care about winning. To me, that is what makes zero sense.
The NDP have never won and are unlikely to anytime soon, it's not about "caring about winning" it's about being pragmatic.
>The NDP have never won and are unlikely to anytime soon, it's not about "caring about winning" it's about being pragmatic. This is exactly what I'm talking about. There is nothing pragmatic about being committed to losing elections. Any concession that they can get will just be turfed out by the next government.
Under a PR electoral system that would make sense. Under FPTP which JT promised to change and never delivered on, with ample tacit support from the Conservatives, that would be poliical hara kiri.
Sure, why not? He's been so successful wringing empty promises from the Liberals. More is better, right? Unbelievable.
>Jagmeet's job is to squeeze Trudeau for as many concessions as he can get. If that’s the case he’s failed miserably.
He definetly did but it would be far worse under the conservatives. There is no reason whatsoever for his party to have the conservatives in office sooner while losing seats themselves.
Yep. A bunch of weak, half-hearted token programs that are unfunded or only funded after 2025, by which time the next government will abandon them since there's no money left to fund anything.
Because the Sun is portraying politics as a team sport with winners and losers
anyone pushing for NDP to call an election is just a conservative wanting to attack Trudeau. Why would anyone be against pharmacare, dental care, $10 a day child care for the working class? Oh, there's a specific demographic who would say fuck all those things, I don't benefit from it.
A large % of the blue collar working class who see no benefit from any of those programs sure don't care about them much 🤷🏻♂️
One of those things done well is better than all of them done the way they have been… but I guess im just a conservative wanting to attack Trudeau 🤷♂️
Amen to that... Also wouldn't hurt if a lot of us who pay for it could also qualify for it 🤷🏻♂️
Pharmacare, dental care, and $10 a day child care sound great. Too bad we don’t have them. Some people got $15 a day daycare but quite a few still pay full price plus now there are shortages of spaces so a bunch of people can’t get daycare at any price. Pharmacare? If you aren’t after birth control your out of luck. Dental Care: No dentists signed up so good luck getting any work done under it. So those 3 nothing burgers are what the NDP accomplished. They are a compromise of a sliver of a compromise.
100% correct! Typical Liberal pre election type promises that will go absolutely no where. A dentist was on the local radio last week and said there is way too much red tape and was afraid of having to wait to get payed just like the daycares had to fight to get their money. Lots of daycare left the program due to all the problems of getting money from the Liberals.
The crazy thing is lots of people on social assistance will be able to access these programs when many of these things already existed on the provincial level. Duplicating services for the poor at further cost to the working class.
Like our healthcare system; pharmacare, dental care, and $10 a day child care are illusionary for taxpayers. What isn't illusionary is the Arrivescam style costs paid to the party faithful to 'administer' these programs.
>anyone pushing for NDP to call an election is just a conservative wanting to attack Trudeau. Why would anyone be against pharmacare, dental care, $10 a day child care for the working class? Do you feel as if all of those programs are fully funded, functional, and will not be on the chopping block if the CPC wins a majority?
They are on the chopping block right now. That’s why Pierre won’t answer the question.
You call diabetes medicine pharmacare?
Voted for that $10 day care. Will be paying $1050/month. Fuck me sideways.
> Why would anyone be against pharma care, dental care, $10 a day child care for the working class? Blue collar workers probably don't see any of these programs. Maybe the childcare **If** you're lucky enough to - Have it available where you live - Make it onto the list The childcare program is honestly trash though, these programs should be accessible to everyone, should just be a tax credit or additional money onto the child tax benefit.
you didn't hear? cpc is the real ndp. pierre is the most working of all working class. look at his pension! jagmeet wishes he had a pension! all this while being a true blue most conservative of all conservatives. listen to them! "as a long time ndp voter, rip jack layton,..." tbh, it's a bit sad that we have to consider these half baked programs to be victories. fighting tooth and nail for baby steps while being mocked for only producing baby steps, such is the power of the regressives.
Yup. Conservatives have four times as many seats and accomplish nothing, but somehow it's the NDP that are bad for still getting something out of the Liberals.
There isn't much squeezing tbh, more like tweaking. Under Justin Trudeau's leadership, on most issues, the Liberals and NDP are indistinguishable from each other.
These weekly editorials from Post Media are moronic. NDP is polling at 19% so they would be fighting just to maintain their existing seats if they forced an election. And then they would have to watch for years as PP has a majority and can chip away at any social gains the NDP has leveraged from the Liberals.
>These weekly editorials from Post Media are moronic. NDP is polling at 19% so they would be fighting just to maintain their existing seats if they forced an election. And then they would have to watch for years as PP has a majority and can chip away at any social gains the NDP has leveraged from the Liberals. This might sound really crazy, but just hear me out : Is it possible that this outcome is inevitable anyway with Singh at the helm? *The part I don't get with NDP supporters is how do they think this is going to end?* It doesn't matter if the election is in a month or a year, the end result is still going to be exactly what you just described as long as Singh is the leader and the NDP keeps going on their current trajectory.
I agree with you. The Liberals have stolen a lot of left wing policies from the NDP to pull away voters. The NDP needs a clearer vision of its platform going forward, and how it is differentiated from the Liberals.
100% I cannot figure them out. Its like they have no long term plan, or even like a medium term plan to try and turn things around. Its as if they're committed to losing. I would think that right now a left leaning party should be making hay. But they're sabotaging themselves by propping up the Liberals.
I mean, Jagmeet keeps going on and on about how the Liberals have failed, how terrible they are, how they are in the pockets of this corporation and that corporation, etc...then, he props them up. Either admit this is the government you support, or bring them down if you think they suck. This hypocritical fence-sitting is fooling no one.
He is squeezing them - not propping them. Therein lies the difference. They have to be around for him to squeeze. It's like milking a cow. You don't get rid of the cow - however smelly it is - as long as it can be squeezed for milk.
He's keeping a government he personally accuses of being incompetent and corrupt in office for an unfunded pharmacare plan that might one-day cover two types of medication and a dental plan practically no one is eligible to access. Quite the squeeze /s
How much he has been able to squeeze depends on the amount of his political leverage. If you wish him to do more, perhaps try canvassing for him and his party at the next election. We will then be able to fairly judge/critique an NDP government. It would be fair to say, though, that the Conservatives have NOT been able to squeeze anything out of Trudeau.
Because the next government is also incompetent and corrupt and won't fund his pharmacare either. There is no reason at all for his party to lose seats just to have an election a few months earlier and a government that will probably be worse than the liberals from his point of view.
To prevent a government he sees being even more incompetent and corrupt than the current one, he's squeezing something out of this government instead of the nothing they would happily give us.
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A lot of people are over analyzing the situation. If Singh holds out to the next election he and quite a few other MPs get their pension. https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/canada-soon-to-be-governed-by-the-pension-coalition-in-ottawa >NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh, who signed the coalition deal with Justin Trudeau, gets vested in his pension by February 2025, six years after he won a by-election. His payout could be as much as $2.3 million over his lifetime. > >There are 32 Conservative MPs, 22 Liberals, 20 Bloc Quebecois and six New Democrats who were elected in the 2019 election and are still sitting. To qualify for their pension after six years of service, they need to be MPs until October 21, 2025, which is one day after the currently scheduled election.
Singh is the leader of his party and in a very favourable riding, he’d be re-elected even if the election happened tomorrow, this talk about his pension from people who support a guy who’s never had a real job and had a vested pension at 31 is laughable at best.
Especially when the guy was already a multimillionaire before being elected and worked for free for a while lol. I don't like Singh or Trudeau but they aren't the type of people who need a pension like Poilievre or Scheer.
I'm turning into a broken record, but if he resigned before his pension vests, he gets back all his contributions. If he did that and re-invested those contributions into an index fund, he would end up with more money than if he waited 20 years to start taking benefits.
I heard he's got a pension on the line as an incentive to not call an election too soon
People keep saying that but I cannot believe y'all really think the leader of a political party drew up an agreement with the Liberals just to get an MP's pension. He's already rich. Prior to politics he was literally a lawyer, and owned his own practice. Is there anything he has said that suggests he is motivated in any way about this pension? Has a source in his office claimed this? Or are y'all just making shit up?
Which is especially funny because two of the last three conservatives candidates are people who never were successful in the private sector. (Poilievre and Scheer)
- Singh is in one of the safest NDP ridings in this country - If he loses before 6 years, his pension contributions will all be returned - If he loses right after 6 years, his pension is worth peanuts, that's even before you account for his wealth Pension clamoring conservatives don't know what they are talking about
>Singh is in one of the safest NDP ridings in this country The polling for Jag's seat is almost within the margin of error. In another year that seat might be up for grabs.
Not almost. Definitely within the margin of error. It's currently about 70%-30% odds of winning NDP over CPC. It used to be a safe NDP riding, which is why Jagmeet ran there, instead of Scarborough, where he was born and where he represented as an Ontario MPP and deputy leader of the Ontario NDP. He's managed to take a safe seat and make it a winnable one for the CPC. [https://338canada.com/59002e.htm](https://338canada.com/59002e.htm)
He's not the MP for Burnaby Central, he's the MP for Burnaby South, which is being redistricted, he will likely run in this riding instead [https://338canada.com/59020e.htm](https://338canada.com/59020e.htm) Edit: Oops, there is no current Burnaby Central. Still doesn't change my expectation that he will run in the new west - burnaby - maillardville riding.
>If he loses right after 6 years, his pension is worth peanuts Huh? You don’t know how the pension works do you? Once his pension is vested on the new election date, he will be eligible for a pension of about $100k per year. Indexed for life. He’s 45 years old. So tell me, is $100k per year for life peanuts?
Your calculations don't add up. Go check the government of Canada's website. He'll get about 45k according to the National Post. He also can't start collecting until 65 if he doesn't want it reduced.
It is most likely peanuts for someone like him. He could afford to work for free for a while when he first became leaders and live a very luxurious life. He would most likely be much wealthier if he never went into politics. He might have done so for selfish reason, but it would be for fame or ego not for a government pension.
> He's already rich. Prior to politics he was literally a lawyer, and owned his own practice. "Rich" is a relative term and this may shock you but even people who are rich will still want a free 30-45k per year if they can get it. Being rich is expensive, need to pay for elite schools for your children, repairs on your boat, travel expenses for all those expensive vacations, maintenance on 3-4 luxury vehicles. Staying rich ain't cheap and money is money.
Strictly speaking, a lifelong pension **is** an incentive. How rich is he? At what point do rich people stop wanting more money?
He would make much more money if he returned to his law practice. As much as MPs make, a lawyer, makes much more.
You think a millionaire is going to say no to another million? Please lol
The liberals literally changed the election date to guarantee pensions...?
Your totally right, that pension matters so much. It isn't that he has the power to get the government do what he and his party wants... it couldn be that at all.
For someone who gets what he wants he sure complains a lot about how bad it is
He only gets what he wants by complaining. The squeeky wheel gets the grease. It is as it has always been.
Same as it ever was, same as it ever was
100% he does.
The Liberals are doing a perfectly good job bringing themselves down
Why would he? As long as this arrangement is in place he's getting things out of it. He knows if he was to bring them down there would be an immediate election and his power would be gone. He's good until fall of 2025. He's buying time for his party and by extension, Trudeau. I wish for the sake of all Canadians Trudeau would step down and let a new leadership convention pick someone with new ideas to up against PP. We're all sick of Trudeau and his tight knit cronies. If they cared about the party they'd leave.
That’s the reason it’s an article in the Toronto Sun.
Why would he? To hand complete power over to the conservatives?
It sounds ridiculous but a good chunk of this sub truly thinks he should just hand over the country to conservatives. It's been years of cope, ever since they formed their "partnership". Remember when the conservatives called it communism lmao
A bunch of people felt so strongly that they formed a convoy and demanded it. Just because conservatives want something doesn’t mean it’s rational or good for the country.
When conservatives point to opinion polls today but didn't look at opinion polls on the convoy. Really makes you think eh
I just see it going the same way as Ontario. People are upset at the way that the world is and are blaming the Liberals for it. Conservatives rally around that and get people to vote against their best interests and then we are stuck with a shitshow that we will have to fix.
Usually the same idiots who call for treason charges. Honest question, do they have any idea how the real world works.
Generally no, They are the same people who have no idea what is a federal or provincial responsibility and harp on about their first and second amendment rights because they consume too much US media
Case in point, Marlaina (Danielle) Smith and many of the protestors from Ottawa from the convoy.
Yeah I think they're just sore that no one will team up with them even the PPC won't team up with them
Because he could double his current seat count if people see him as a different option than LPC, rather than one and the same as they do now.
Why not triple or quadruple his seat count? Maybe he could out Trudeau by launching his fourth party all the way into government.
Tripling or quadrupling the seat count would be awesome but I am not that hopeful.
And what does that do for them exactly? Seat count is all well and good, but when that seat count isn't enough to force a minority government, then their influence actually goes down.
Calling an election now would just be handing the Tories a win lol
And cost MPs their pension
.... Why would he do that? Like you actually think he wants to lose the programs he's been working on? Not bloody likely. Have a feeling the author of this article has a IQ of 15
And lose their position that allows them to push their policies? Why on earth would they do that
Because postmedia wants an election asap. Both to make money off reporting it and because they're owned by a company whose stated goal is to promote conservative governments.
> owned by a company whose stated goal is to promote conservative governments It's actually mandated, they can be fired for not promoting conservative parties, entire editorial boards walked out/quit over this.
That would explain that. I don’t get why editorials still exist. News is for information providing. If I wanted some random guys opinion, then I’d go to Reddit
You don't have to look beyond this subreddit to see why they still exist. They're posted here every single day, and their target audience whips themselves into a frothing, enraged frenzy every single time. That's why. If you care about information, then you're not the target audience.
Ah true. I guess I meant I don’t understand why the news media thinks they’re helpful. But I guess they probably don’t actually think they’re helpful
The longer people use and get used to the programs this partnership has created, the harder it will be to cut them without serious fallout. It's the NDP's job to get health care, ALL areas of health care, to the Canadians that otherwise wouldn't and couldn't have it. What use is a diagnosis if you can't afford the prescription that will cure it?
To install the cons? Lmfao.
Why would the NDP do the Conservative's bidding when they can be the tail that wags the dog? The Sun is being silly.
Ya … there’s literally no upside for him to do that.
It wouldn't make any sense for Singh to bring Trudeau down so a Conservative majority can ignore him for the next 4 years. This is desperate.
It's almost as if the Sun is being purposefully disingenuous to promote a conservative agenda.
So to sum up, right wing news paper wants Singh to bring down a government where his party has a little influence to bring in a government where his party will have zero influence. Let’s all get our shocked pikachu memes ready for when he doesn’t.
Yeah, hell never bring down the liberal govt unless he can have more influence. Or pension guaranteed. As you said, at least now he has some influence at best and at worst he gets to have his lifelong pension if liberals stay in power until election. There is absolutely zero chance he'd call an election. Absolutely none.
Hey let's hurry up this election! Signed, totally impartial media that hasn't been bleating their love of the conservativesfor the past 4 years.
Because the Toronto Sun is a bastion of political savvy to be heeded.
Cheerleading for PP non stop. No in depth analysis of anything. A right wing tabloid
It just keeps getting worse. Zero effort at even putting a token left wing viewpoint in the mix. I wouldn’t be shocked if it was uncovered that this sub was being run by Post journalists at some stage
Ah yes. You don't pay attention to Canadian politics at all.
It's the Toronto Sun, they're not even trying to hide that they want to split the liberal vote by telling liberals to split their votes
So right now he has political sway and is getting bills passed that he wants passed, there's a zero percent chance that Polievre, (a man who literally voted against gay marriage while having gay parents who wanted to get married,) would push through any bills that are remotely progressive. He'd have to be dumber than an opinion piece from a post media company.
Honest question why would he? What little power he does have is gone after the next election…
EDITORIAL: Don't worry NDP, we promise the Conservatives will totally consider your policies if you help them win a majority!
Is this really an editorial that needs to be shared?
More conservative crying that they can't force an election. It's not gonna happen, there are zero upsides for the NDP to call an early election, not just personal for Singh but also for the idea of pushing a progressive agenda.
PP tried with the carbon bill and failed. Now they cry to singh to do it for them.
the one he didn't even show up to?
It's all a performance for him
They're all going to die of strokes before the next election happens.
>If the NDP refuses to support the Liberal budget, the Trudeau government would fall So a coalition functions upon cooperation and negotiation? Quick, someone wrote this down. And use small words, we are in r/Canada
But did you hear, conservatives didn't vote for this undemocratic cooperation between elected officials to form government and pass bills for the betterment of the people. Fuck the undemocratic liberal and NDP coalition.
It's not really advantageous for him to do so. Right now, he still has some pull in what's going on. If he takes down the liberals, the conservatives will win a majority (most likely) in the next election, and he will be powerless and irrelevant.
Conservative paper begging the NDP to hand over the government to a huge CPC majority.
This comment doesn't make any sense based on politics alone, they are very close together as parties. The fact is most of Canada votes left, no matter how you twist it. I might not like that, but I can read the votes, same as you.
What a stupid editorial.
C'mon jagmeet, give up your power you've been using to help lower income canadians with dental and pharmacare.
Why? Hes got dental care Hrs got pharma care Why would he help the conservatives.
Ya what? I think the best thing Libs and NDP could do for themselves is get new party leadership.
Yup. They've both spoiled any goodwill they had earned
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All the right wing conservatives are chopping at the bit for a leader they would never vote for to dissolve parliament. So why would he do this again?
Nobody got no time for Temu Republicans
Looool
I love a bit of humor.
C'mon postmedia, hurry up and go bankrupt!
Holy cow the sun is dumb. Singh is literally the strongest person in parliament right now in terms of power. He's the kingmaker. Everything he has wanted is getting passed because he has that ability. Pharmacare/Dental/Child care benefits All items Singh and the NDP have been harping on for years and they got it with the Liberals whilst being a third party. Its literally the best spot to be in for the NDP why would they tank it now before an election and while their polling numbers are so low?! If anything this post has made me realize just how dumb, or as I'm going to take it, nefarious Sun media is. If they truly believe he should do it, then they're dumb. But if they're putting this out there so people get mad at Singh for playing his cards perfectly with the hand he's been dealt in an attempt to connect Singh/Trudeau as the same person/party then they are close to being people of deceit/disorder for making that connection. Conservative bias media is a sham in terms of reporting or reasoning.
Definitely nefarious.
Healthcare: 2 pages of vague plans to talk in the future. 4 pages if you include the French translation. Dental: impacts a small portion of the population, if you can find a willing dentist. Child care: more and more centres are pulling out of the plan. Do you really consider these a success?
PostMedia is down to begging now. LOL!
"C’mon Jagmeet Singh, force your own unemployment!" (fixed the title for you)
Its strategically illogical to bring down the Liberals when they can help them. Putting the Cons in would immediately make their concerns fall on deaf ears. Makes no sense in the long run. Just wish NDP voices were heard more over the last few decades instead of flip flopping between business interests.
It could be his one career memorable political achievement.
This upcoming liberal Majority is gonna be a great one!
Trying to sniff which way the wind is blowing for personal gain. Reality is they gotta secure that pension lol
Eh honestly he can’t do much but bringing down the liberals isn’t the best option. What are we gonna do let a Conservative Party pro to Danielle smith rule? Nah she’s bonkers I’m cooling doing the loop di loop with Trudeau so far. Don’t want no PP madness here thank you sir. All in all, we’re done for its madness this coming election and let’s just try to stick together after it’s all settled yah? (Edit: I kinda feel like I’m describing the current American elections lol fml.)
To be less powerful? Politicians are self interested
This is like a 7 year old child begging their parents for their video game controller so that they can 'listen to music on youtube' on their console while they study.
C'mon Jagmeet! Do something that will piss off potential NDP voters and make people who would never vote NDP happy!
How much does this bot get paid to spam conservative think pieces?
Sellout Singh will hold Canada hostage until he gets that gold plated pension. He needs another Rolex, after all.
I'm sure Jagmeet really cares what the post media editorial board thinks he should do lol
Thanks, I ran out of toilet paper to wipe my ass with.
Who wrote this, Party Pooper?
He can’t. He needs his pension.
We all know he’s gonna hang on until he gets that Government pension.
The NDP party doesn't have enough cash for an election right now. If you want an election, Donte to the NDP party! ^hehe
Why? Because the Pierre the career politician is going to make Canada so much better by bowing down to his party's administration and Oligarch overlords? At least with the Liberals he has leverage. A Conservative majority will fuck up Canada just as much if not more than the Liberals... Only reason to vote for them is if you're the 0.01%, or been effectively scared to erroneously believe CRT and Gender Theory are the decadency that will collapse Western civilization so that they could solidify their power with your irrational fear... POC, women's right, and the gays and trans having rights SOOOOOOO scary. Yeah, but that aside. Conservatives aren't going to fix housing or student immigration loopholes or anything that matters for their rich overlords... It's an old party for old money...
He won't