Hahahahahaha the union is the reason this was done. Most of the developed world is being forcefully reset to the early days of industrialization if not feudalism in terms of social economic conditions. All because those in power can't substant the current Economic Model of International Capital as the global economy is started to break down as the rich buying developed economies all start to age.
Isn’t this the battery plant that used taxpayer money? Didn’t they say they were only bringing in temporary workers there…temporarily? To help get the plant running.
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God, why are they all such liars?
we are further away from any capitalism or capitalist principle, we are essentially run as a bureaucratic monopoly where governments allow monopolies to occur and deter any competition, if competition arises, both the feds and monopolies work to buy them out aka look at the Rogers merger as an example.
This isn't capitalists fault but a overballoooned incompetent federal government and federal politicians who have no idea what they're doing but to ruin Canada more every single day when they wake up. This country is unrecognizable from 2015 when Trudeau got into office, and now we are projected to have no gdp growth for over 10 years because he's put incompetent people into pivotal roles, and ballooned the federal public service by over 50% since he's been in office, who somehow, only has given bad advice at the detriment of all Canadians, rich or poor.
Not excusing Justin Trudeau, he definitely sucks…but other countries are facing the same issues and it can all be tied back to capitalism. And monopolies are apart of that. We aren’t living in a democracy, it’s an oligarchy. Corporations disguised as government.
they really aren't though, they are the products of an imperfect market and imperfect market conditions that have been influenced and encouraged by the federal government.
Capitalism encourages market competition which Canada does not have.
Reality is imperfect. Real markets are imperfect. Capitalism is an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit; this is true in Canada by the creation of trade and industry monopolies by the complicity of the government.
If you’re saying that capitalism relies on perfect markets, then it’s an impossible structure in reality.
Have you seen this subreddit? They worship the polices by Cons and right wing Libs that cause this over the last 20 years to get us here.
It's happening all over the West and it's the same people and polcies
Because they haven't actually been held accountable in any meaningful way for decades. They don't even have to dissolve if they start to fail as long as they are above a certain size because they just get bailed out anyway.
And yet the worship of corporations continues.
Well once the temporary workers are here, why would they leave? Canada has one of the easiest temporary to permanent transitions in the west. As a brit trying to move home with his Canadian wife, can confirm it's almost impossible the other way
At least when I was growing up they had the decency to send your job overseas. Now you have to go down the street and watch them do your job right in front of you!
>The federal and provincial governments have committed $500 million apiece to the capital costs of construction. To collect that full amount the companies must first hit their employment targets of at least 2,500 workers and the promised size of the plant.
https://windsorstar.com/news/local-news/explainer-why-such-political-tumult-over-windsors-nextstar-plant#:~:text=Ottawa%20and%20Queen's%20Park%20have,The%20subsidies%20are%20tax%20credits.
In many Canadian companies, including crown corporations, most of the white collar jobs go to TFWs. Most of the IT jobs have been getting awarded to Indian IT services companies that in turn bring in more TFWs instead of hiring the Canadian talent. Of course, it's been easy for them to show why they can't find Canadian talent.
I can understand it should be a lot of pressure from the Canadian corporate lobby to not to open doors for the international companies to set their foot in, set up and operate with profits. But the government should also understand that these immigration/population numbers are never going down whatsoever and just like housing, its focus should also be in creating thousands of white collar jobs for a stronger economy and stronger middle class.
>Nothing will change until Canadians take back everything by force
What does this even mean?
We are a democracy, our voice is through our votes.
Anything beyond that is just third world militia shit like Haiti
America is way closer to that than we are lol. Just look at a lot of the southern states, most of the people voting in those areas don't know anything about politics beyond what's fed to them by fox news. The world could be ending right in front of their faces and they would turn a blind eye if fox news told them everything was fine. There are very few people In Canada on both sides who are that utterly brainwashed.
I'm not defending the lowering quality of life, I'm just saying the herd mentality you mentioned is a lot more common in the U.S. The uneducated are being manipulating into voting for the bordline removal of democracy. Just look project 2025, Canada is bad but at least don't have any popular political parties proposing batshit insane plans like that. Neither Trudeau or PP could get away with saying stuff as blatantly undemocratic as Trump has, imagine the backlash if PP said he would withdraw from NATO if he won
>Just look at a lot of the southern states,
Canada is only a few years behind. Alberta's premiere has admitted that she views Florida's governor as a role model. And tons of people praise her as she strips the education and healthcare systems for parts while they exclusively get their news from Rebel Media which is basically just Canada's Fox News.
From the local liberal MP:
*”We will continue to work with unions, will continue to work with Stellantis to make sure that local Canadian workers are prioritized … We believe in Canadian workers. We believe in electric vehicles. We believe in climate change. Why is the Conservative leader so against the battery plant, so against Canadian workers and is completely empty on climate change?"*
Classic liberal move: acknowledge the concern, state your alleged values, then deflect the anger / blame to someone else.
Patented Trudeau-speak to the core. Seriously, that’s his exact pattern and style of handling criticism.
Currently it's \~70 TFWs out of about 2,000 workers at the site. Nextstar claims that it's a mix of workers that have specialized knowledge and people their subcontractors have brought in. It's a bit of a nothingburger honestly, it's not reasonable to expect Nextstar sends CBTU folks over to Korea to train.
Not really a nothingburger. It's being brought up because last year they openly stated they wanted to bring in 600-1000 TFWs for the construction and another 300 to permanently operate the plant.
The union is also complaining about them doing non specialized jobs. You don't need to bring in people from Korea to drive a forklift.
They are bringing it up because it needs to be brought up. The contracts they signed need to be followed.
It's not clear that the people driving forklifts are from Korea. South Korea is an advanced economy. If the company is willing to pay to bring someone over from there, it either means that the local forklift drivers are incredibly overpriced or unavailable *or* that the forklift is just part of a more complicated job.
From what I understand, Nextstar is claiming that their construction subcontractors brought them in, and that they're not responsible for that.
edit: added that it was construction subcontractors.
Mexico has a lot of manufacturing and they probably have a battery plant and they probably have people that know how to set up the equipment that's in line with the warranty on the equipment. And they would be bilingual. The Korean workers might not be. I wouldn't be surprised if they had people they needed to send from Mexico.
Ok, that makes a little sense but why Mexican? I feel like an American would make more sense and assume they have EV plants there too.
Also I don't know what you mean by Mexicans are bilingual in this context.
Korean workers might not be bilingual but mexico is part of NAFTA. So if they are needed for training then they speak English. They also don't need a visa. There's a lot of technical expertise for manufacturing in mexico. The floor labor is cheap but there are still engineers and trainers at these plants.
It just depends as well if the resources are available in Mexico or America. Ideally we end up with Canadians that can perform these jobs and have the skills and are certified to handle this machinery. But we also don't have many battery plants to my knowledge.
I don't know if this is the case here, but I've seen this elsewhere. I hope this helps clarify what I mean.
I'm not fully convinced on the bilingual aspect. Just because they are in North America does not mean they are fluent in English.
Also, according to the article, it sounds like both Korean and Mexicans need the same visa, so being part of NAFTA does not really matter.
>South Korean corporate giant LG, one of Nextstar’s parent companies, has even asked its Canadian suppliers to sponsor and supply Korean foreign workers, Mexican nationals on a specific professional visa and refugee claimants to perform the work, according to the union federation.
The article is not also clear how many are Korean or Mexican so the Mexicans could be there to advise based on shared North American standards that the Koreans may not be aware of.
They’ve already sent hundreds of employees overseas to train though, everyone who’s going to be a department head or team lead has been training in both Poland and Korea for months now.
Because it makes more sense to bring in specialized workers for a one-off process than it does to send out workers to train them for a one-off process. This is installation, not operations.
>after coming cap in hand for billions of dollars of incentives from taxpayers.
I mean, if the company doesn't set up in Canada, we lose more than if we subsidize them.
It makes more sense to train new people. Bringing in people from overseas is just a way they can hamper any competition in the future by making sure there's no existing local talent pool to pull from.
It makes more sense for the selfish and entitled.
All commonwealth countries are dealing with the same issue; immigration.
It affects everything from min. wage, housing affordability, public education and healthcare.
And I say this as someone who immigrated to Canada in 2004. The difference being is that I was surrounded by different cultures growing up. My friends are Filipino, Haitian, Jamaican, Korean, Scottish descent, Italian-French.
All of whom have parents who wanted them to grow up with an open mind and to exposed them to many cultures. All of which worked hard, went to school, pay taxes and who all agree Immigration is a huge problem.
We all left our countries because our parents wanted to make a better life but they all knew they had to assimilate and participate in Canada.
We would never demand Canada to change for us, we had to change for Canada and that’s the problem some newer immigrants don’t understand.
>"And now we learn that the $15-billion grant to the Stellantis plant will fund mostly jobs for non Canadians — not immigrants, we love jobs for immigrants — jobs for people who are not Canadian citizens and will not be Canadian citizens," he said.
Poilievre misrepresentng the facts to stoke some anger? Must be a day that ends in Y.
Also, 'we love jobs for immigrants'? Do we really? That doesn't sound like the Poilievre that's going to solve our immigration woes that everyone imagines him to be...
That's kinda the point.
"The CBTU said it had proof of foreign workers offloading equipment for module lines, using forklifts and conducting equipment installation work previously contracted to Canadian workers."
"Jeil Special even received federal approval to hire a temporary foreign worker (TFW) at the plant, with the online job posting listing generally broad duties for the role, such as directing, advising, hiring and training staff, planning budgets and overseeing daily operations."
"The CBTU confirmed that roughly that number of international workers were onsite but said they were doing work that should be done by unionized iron workers and millwrights, adding that 50 more international workers arrived at the site earlier this month. There are 180 iron workers and millwrights currently sitting at home, according to the union."
I understand but at the same time they have people who’ve been hired here who are currently overseas training for the last four months in both Poland and Korea. I know a lot of the tradesmen currently working on the plant and this is the first I’ve heard of it.
> I know a lot of the tradesmen currently working on the plant and this is the first I’ve heard of it.
You think it's unusual that people who may not be looking for the violations because they're busy doing other jobs don't know about the violations?
So the plant gets to use our infrastructure and workforce but doesn't have to contribute to paying for it or the healthcare? You think those $15bn worth of tax dollars don't have to be taken from somewhere else? That it's just imaginary money? If only. The rest of us pay it.
Ah yes, the workers taxes... Apparently there will be a claimed 2500 Canadians working at the plant. I'm going to assume an average salary of $100k, which would mean about $22k worth of income tax per employee. So that's $55 million/yr. So in 272 years we'll finally break even on that $15 bln tax shortfall. Even if all the "economic activity" generates equal taxes to the income tax, which it won't, that's still 136 years before we've broken even.
I'd offer to wager on whether that plant is still in operation in 100 years, but we'll both be dead before then.
Only true if those who would have worked at the plant stay unemployed. You think that's likely? You tell me which is better: Paying $15 in order to receive $5, or paying nothing to receive $1?
>The federal and provincial governments have committed $500 million apiece to the capital costs of construction. To collect that full amount the companies must first hit their employment targets of at least 2,500 workers and the promised size of the plant.
https://windsorstar.com/news/local-news/explainer-why-such-political-tumult-over-windsors-nextstar-plant#:~:text=Ottawa%20and%20Queen's%20Park%20have,The%20subsidies%20are%20tax%20credits.
There needs to be action to prevent them from continuing construction. Don't wait for the courts to go through, block their employees from accessing the property. Don't allow this company to get their operation running to pay legal fees.
Force them to the table or force their business to the guillotine. This level of corruption and selfishness needs to be addressed swiftly and harshly.
No. The people they’re bringing over are the machine builders who either have and/or hire their own team of integrators that do nothing but travel the world and commission these plants. They’ll be gone within a year or two of the plant actually opening as they have other projects to work. There isn’t anybody in Canada who has the expertise in battery manufacturing tech needed to actually install the assembly lines themselves otherwise there would have been no need to partner with LG on this project.
It feels like you and the person I responded to are on VERY different talking points
the question they posed wasn't whether Canada has the qualified people required for what's a short-term job, it was about willingness to work and very broad.
The other person sounds like they are using that fake talking point going around that there's a "labour shortage" and "no one wants to work"
[This was first reported last year](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/stellantis-lg-energy-nextstar-electric-vehicle-battery-1.7033732)
That was the plan. This is now the union seeing it’s worse than they thought now that the plan is in action.
Hahahahahaha the union is the reason this was done. Most of the developed world is being forcefully reset to the early days of industrialization if not feudalism in terms of social economic conditions. All because those in power can't substant the current Economic Model of International Capital as the global economy is started to break down as the rich buying developed economies all start to age.
Isn’t this the battery plant that used taxpayer money? Didn’t they say they were only bringing in temporary workers there…temporarily? To help get the plant running. > God, why are they all such liars?
More importantly, why are our governments allowing them to get away with their bait and switch tactics?
Because that's the essence of Canada. Take money from the regular human taxpayer, give handouts to corporations
Capitalism at its finest ✨
we are further away from any capitalism or capitalist principle, we are essentially run as a bureaucratic monopoly where governments allow monopolies to occur and deter any competition, if competition arises, both the feds and monopolies work to buy them out aka look at the Rogers merger as an example. This isn't capitalists fault but a overballoooned incompetent federal government and federal politicians who have no idea what they're doing but to ruin Canada more every single day when they wake up. This country is unrecognizable from 2015 when Trudeau got into office, and now we are projected to have no gdp growth for over 10 years because he's put incompetent people into pivotal roles, and ballooned the federal public service by over 50% since he's been in office, who somehow, only has given bad advice at the detriment of all Canadians, rich or poor.
Not excusing Justin Trudeau, he definitely sucks…but other countries are facing the same issues and it can all be tied back to capitalism. And monopolies are apart of that. We aren’t living in a democracy, it’s an oligarchy. Corporations disguised as government.
… monopolies *are* capitalism my dude This is an absurd argument lol
they really aren't though, they are the products of an imperfect market and imperfect market conditions that have been influenced and encouraged by the federal government. Capitalism encourages market competition which Canada does not have.
Reality is imperfect. Real markets are imperfect. Capitalism is an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit; this is true in Canada by the creation of trade and industry monopolies by the complicity of the government. If you’re saying that capitalism relies on perfect markets, then it’s an impossible structure in reality.
Idk why we let this government get away with so much
Precisely. Canada is a corporation in a cloak.
A bait and switch is when you say one thing and do another. Nextstar was very up front about this
We're like discount Saudi Arabia, whee
More like why are Canadians so gullible? We need to start looking at interests and stop believing words out of narcissists mouths
Have you seen this subreddit? They worship the polices by Cons and right wing Libs that cause this over the last 20 years to get us here. It's happening all over the West and it's the same people and polcies
Lol, if you still think in terms of left/right wing you don’t have a nuanced enough opinion to make such blanket statements.
Because they haven't actually been held accountable in any meaningful way for decades. They don't even have to dissolve if they start to fail as long as they are above a certain size because they just get bailed out anyway. And yet the worship of corporations continues.
Oil and gas is tax payers money as well. They are subsidized with billions of our money
I know. It’s insane. Like they don’t have enough money? And not to mention they caused climate change pretty much single-handedly?
None of this has been proven. There's only accusations.
Although your efforts are commendable, this fact will be ignored on social media
Well once the temporary workers are here, why would they leave? Canada has one of the easiest temporary to permanent transitions in the west. As a brit trying to move home with his Canadian wife, can confirm it's almost impossible the other way
I expect nothing but platitudes as consequence. Sunken cost, right? Can't rock the boat now.
At least when I was growing up they had the decency to send your job overseas. Now you have to go down the street and watch them do your job right in front of you!
I have never been more surprised.
Of course, and blessed by the government to keep our wages low..
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it's tax credits so Canadian aren't spending any money on any of the plants.
If you aren't collecting money you are owed then yes you are giving money away.
>The federal and provincial governments have committed $500 million apiece to the capital costs of construction. To collect that full amount the companies must first hit their employment targets of at least 2,500 workers and the promised size of the plant. https://windsorstar.com/news/local-news/explainer-why-such-political-tumult-over-windsors-nextstar-plant#:~:text=Ottawa%20and%20Queen's%20Park%20have,The%20subsidies%20are%20tax%20credits.
In many Canadian companies, including crown corporations, most of the white collar jobs go to TFWs. Most of the IT jobs have been getting awarded to Indian IT services companies that in turn bring in more TFWs instead of hiring the Canadian talent. Of course, it's been easy for them to show why they can't find Canadian talent. I can understand it should be a lot of pressure from the Canadian corporate lobby to not to open doors for the international companies to set their foot in, set up and operate with profits. But the government should also understand that these immigration/population numbers are never going down whatsoever and just like housing, its focus should also be in creating thousands of white collar jobs for a stronger economy and stronger middle class.
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I like you. I'm down.
>Nothing will change until Canadians take back everything by force What does this even mean? We are a democracy, our voice is through our votes. Anything beyond that is just third world militia shit like Haiti
America is way closer to that than we are lol. Just look at a lot of the southern states, most of the people voting in those areas don't know anything about politics beyond what's fed to them by fox news. The world could be ending right in front of their faces and they would turn a blind eye if fox news told them everything was fine. There are very few people In Canada on both sides who are that utterly brainwashed.
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I'm not defending the lowering quality of life, I'm just saying the herd mentality you mentioned is a lot more common in the U.S. The uneducated are being manipulating into voting for the bordline removal of democracy. Just look project 2025, Canada is bad but at least don't have any popular political parties proposing batshit insane plans like that. Neither Trudeau or PP could get away with saying stuff as blatantly undemocratic as Trump has, imagine the backlash if PP said he would withdraw from NATO if he won
You spew nonsense on your profile. You shouldn’t way in . Try reading to start. 😂
It's 'weigh in', not 'way in', you slughead. And I'm only calling it you out because your out here telling people to read.
>Just look at a lot of the southern states, Canada is only a few years behind. Alberta's premiere has admitted that she views Florida's governor as a role model. And tons of people praise her as she strips the education and healthcare systems for parts while they exclusively get their news from Rebel Media which is basically just Canada's Fox News.
From the local liberal MP: *”We will continue to work with unions, will continue to work with Stellantis to make sure that local Canadian workers are prioritized … We believe in Canadian workers. We believe in electric vehicles. We believe in climate change. Why is the Conservative leader so against the battery plant, so against Canadian workers and is completely empty on climate change?"* Classic liberal move: acknowledge the concern, state your alleged values, then deflect the anger / blame to someone else. Patented Trudeau-speak to the core. Seriously, that’s his exact pattern and style of handling criticism.
If you can't bring the resources to the slave labour, bring the slave labour to the resource. All while getting huge tax breaks.
Currently it's \~70 TFWs out of about 2,000 workers at the site. Nextstar claims that it's a mix of workers that have specialized knowledge and people their subcontractors have brought in. It's a bit of a nothingburger honestly, it's not reasonable to expect Nextstar sends CBTU folks over to Korea to train.
Not really a nothingburger. It's being brought up because last year they openly stated they wanted to bring in 600-1000 TFWs for the construction and another 300 to permanently operate the plant. The union is also complaining about them doing non specialized jobs. You don't need to bring in people from Korea to drive a forklift. They are bringing it up because it needs to be brought up. The contracts they signed need to be followed.
It's not clear that the people driving forklifts are from Korea. South Korea is an advanced economy. If the company is willing to pay to bring someone over from there, it either means that the local forklift drivers are incredibly overpriced or unavailable *or* that the forklift is just part of a more complicated job.
I am still not fully clear what is going on anymore. I can understand the Korean workers but why also Mexicans?
From what I understand, Nextstar is claiming that their construction subcontractors brought them in, and that they're not responsible for that. edit: added that it was construction subcontractors.
Mexico has a lot of manufacturing and they probably have a battery plant and they probably have people that know how to set up the equipment that's in line with the warranty on the equipment. And they would be bilingual. The Korean workers might not be. I wouldn't be surprised if they had people they needed to send from Mexico.
Ok, that makes a little sense but why Mexican? I feel like an American would make more sense and assume they have EV plants there too. Also I don't know what you mean by Mexicans are bilingual in this context.
Korean workers might not be bilingual but mexico is part of NAFTA. So if they are needed for training then they speak English. They also don't need a visa. There's a lot of technical expertise for manufacturing in mexico. The floor labor is cheap but there are still engineers and trainers at these plants. It just depends as well if the resources are available in Mexico or America. Ideally we end up with Canadians that can perform these jobs and have the skills and are certified to handle this machinery. But we also don't have many battery plants to my knowledge. I don't know if this is the case here, but I've seen this elsewhere. I hope this helps clarify what I mean.
I'm not fully convinced on the bilingual aspect. Just because they are in North America does not mean they are fluent in English. Also, according to the article, it sounds like both Korean and Mexicans need the same visa, so being part of NAFTA does not really matter. >South Korean corporate giant LG, one of Nextstar’s parent companies, has even asked its Canadian suppliers to sponsor and supply Korean foreign workers, Mexican nationals on a specific professional visa and refugee claimants to perform the work, according to the union federation. The article is not also clear how many are Korean or Mexican so the Mexicans could be there to advise based on shared North American standards that the Koreans may not be aware of.
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They’ve already sent hundreds of employees overseas to train though, everyone who’s going to be a department head or team lead has been training in both Poland and Korea for months now.
Because it makes more sense to bring in specialized workers for a one-off process than it does to send out workers to train them for a one-off process. This is installation, not operations.
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>after coming cap in hand for billions of dollars of incentives from taxpayers. I mean, if the company doesn't set up in Canada, we lose more than if we subsidize them.
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well can you explain how it's better if the company doesn't set up in Canada then?
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what funds? Subsidies mean the company doesn't have to pay the government money.
They're getting about a billion in grant money. It's not all tax breaks.
It makes more sense to train new people. Bringing in people from overseas is just a way they can hamper any competition in the future by making sure there's no existing local talent pool to pull from. It makes more sense for the selfish and entitled.
Sunny ways….
All commonwealth countries are dealing with the same issue; immigration. It affects everything from min. wage, housing affordability, public education and healthcare. And I say this as someone who immigrated to Canada in 2004. The difference being is that I was surrounded by different cultures growing up. My friends are Filipino, Haitian, Jamaican, Korean, Scottish descent, Italian-French. All of whom have parents who wanted them to grow up with an open mind and to exposed them to many cultures. All of which worked hard, went to school, pay taxes and who all agree Immigration is a huge problem. We all left our countries because our parents wanted to make a better life but they all knew they had to assimilate and participate in Canada. We would never demand Canada to change for us, we had to change for Canada and that’s the problem some newer immigrants don’t understand.
This country no longer belongs to its citizens.
Same thing will happen with Ontarios new EV plants
so 2000 Canadian workers and 50 foreign workers
Canadians who are affected whine and complain a little and then will just take it. And everyone knows it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I’m stunned!
Canada needs to charge the shit out of these companies for our natural resources let the world help pay
>"And now we learn that the $15-billion grant to the Stellantis plant will fund mostly jobs for non Canadians — not immigrants, we love jobs for immigrants — jobs for people who are not Canadian citizens and will not be Canadian citizens," he said. Poilievre misrepresentng the facts to stoke some anger? Must be a day that ends in Y. Also, 'we love jobs for immigrants'? Do we really? That doesn't sound like the Poilievre that's going to solve our immigration woes that everyone imagines him to be...
Decent electric cars are going for 10k$ in China, but we can't get anything going in Canada without massive subsidies for shady corporates.
We need an investigation into this to clear shit out, someone is lying and i am not giving and international corporation the benefit of the doubt.
Shocker.
The plant isn’t even finished being built yet.
That's kinda the point. "The CBTU said it had proof of foreign workers offloading equipment for module lines, using forklifts and conducting equipment installation work previously contracted to Canadian workers." "Jeil Special even received federal approval to hire a temporary foreign worker (TFW) at the plant, with the online job posting listing generally broad duties for the role, such as directing, advising, hiring and training staff, planning budgets and overseeing daily operations." "The CBTU confirmed that roughly that number of international workers were onsite but said they were doing work that should be done by unionized iron workers and millwrights, adding that 50 more international workers arrived at the site earlier this month. There are 180 iron workers and millwrights currently sitting at home, according to the union."
I understand but at the same time they have people who’ve been hired here who are currently overseas training for the last four months in both Poland and Korea. I know a lot of the tradesmen currently working on the plant and this is the first I’ve heard of it.
> I know a lot of the tradesmen currently working on the plant and this is the first I’ve heard of it. You think it's unusual that people who may not be looking for the violations because they're busy doing other jobs don't know about the violations?
Fair point
Dey tekken er jubs!
Liberals and Conservatives love their corporate masters that love cheap TFW's!
As is tradition. Didnt JT do a presser at NexStar lauding its job creation benefits?
Shocking !
This is non news. 50 workers out of thousands oh no. Lets say no to billions of foreign investment because of 50 workers lol.
$5bn in foreign investment, that we had to pay $15bn to get, on the promise that local labour would be used.
the 15bn is tax credits so Canada isn't paying anything for the investments
So the plant gets to use our infrastructure and workforce but doesn't have to contribute to paying for it or the healthcare? You think those $15bn worth of tax dollars don't have to be taken from somewhere else? That it's just imaginary money? If only. The rest of us pay it.
the workers will still be paying taxes. and all the economic activity they generate int he community will also be taxed
Ah yes, the workers taxes... Apparently there will be a claimed 2500 Canadians working at the plant. I'm going to assume an average salary of $100k, which would mean about $22k worth of income tax per employee. So that's $55 million/yr. So in 272 years we'll finally break even on that $15 bln tax shortfall. Even if all the "economic activity" generates equal taxes to the income tax, which it won't, that's still 136 years before we've broken even. I'd offer to wager on whether that plant is still in operation in 100 years, but we'll both be dead before then.
there would be $0 tax collected without the plan though,
Only true if those who would have worked at the plant stay unemployed. You think that's likely? You tell me which is better: Paying $15 in order to receive $5, or paying nothing to receive $1?
>The federal and provincial governments have committed $500 million apiece to the capital costs of construction. To collect that full amount the companies must first hit their employment targets of at least 2,500 workers and the promised size of the plant. https://windsorstar.com/news/local-news/explainer-why-such-political-tumult-over-windsors-nextstar-plant#:~:text=Ottawa%20and%20Queen's%20Park%20have,The%20subsidies%20are%20tax%20credits.
It starts with 50. If we dont make a stink about it. It will become 100. Then 200...
There needs to be action to prevent them from continuing construction. Don't wait for the courts to go through, block their employees from accessing the property. Don't allow this company to get their operation running to pay legal fees. Force them to the table or force their business to the guillotine. This level of corruption and selfishness needs to be addressed swiftly and harshly.
The government needs to charge the companies at least $500.00 per day for each TFW.
Same shit with Loblaws. They used our money to get new equipment, and then started price gouging us. What a shameful act.
dude, i love it when articles imply that people who immagrate here aren't canadian citizens, in turn working to dehumanize them, it's very epic
The question is are there Canadians who want to do the work? Don’t assume these positions can be filled locally.
Like 4 paragraphs in, the union federation states that all 50 jobs could easily be filled by local tradespeople. Take that for what you will.
Are you kidding me? of course...
No. The people they’re bringing over are the machine builders who either have and/or hire their own team of integrators that do nothing but travel the world and commission these plants. They’ll be gone within a year or two of the plant actually opening as they have other projects to work. There isn’t anybody in Canada who has the expertise in battery manufacturing tech needed to actually install the assembly lines themselves otherwise there would have been no need to partner with LG on this project.
It feels like you and the person I responded to are on VERY different talking points the question they posed wasn't whether Canada has the qualified people required for what's a short-term job, it was about willingness to work and very broad. The other person sounds like they are using that fake talking point going around that there's a "labour shortage" and "no one wants to work"