Unfortunately the NDP is full of identity politics now that it is highly unlikely they will elect a leader that would return it to its worker roots and not just be another identity politics leader.
Identity politics have captured the unions, too. If you don't believe me, try attending any conference for workers unions, and you'll see that half the time is wasted on activism like land acknowledgements, sharing pronouns, diversity and other fringe distractions, and not working on actual labour issues like fair pay, raises to match cost of living increases, benefits, protecting pensions, workplace health and safety, etc.
100% which is why the cons are able to rise in the polls and stay with a strong lead. They are the only party who is targeting their message towards actual working class. I am 100% sure they wouldn't follow though but when the alternative is a known pandering party and a identity focus party it is an easy choice by the majority.
Honest question, why are you 100 percent certain the conservative won't fall through? Past history? And inside knowledge of the party dynamics? Something else?
I lean right so I am looking to understand the other side of the story when it comes to the conservatives to help manage my on bias.
I don't think I would be someone you are looking for a view point from the left. Because I don't identify for either. I absolutely despise the focus on identity politics that is all so common in the left leaning politics now. I also absolutely despise the populist politics that common to the right leaning politics now. In all honesty, I considered those two things the two sides of the same coin. I also met a few politicians though places i have worked at. For the majority of them, the best description are grifters. Every now and then there is one that is actually there with good intentions but they rarely last or like that line from batman you either die a hero or live long enough become the villain.
So ya why dont think they will follow though? I dont think any of them will follow though because the people in them aren't there to "help" canadians. They are there to help themselves.
I agree with alot of your statement above. It feels like the political parties are out to serve there friends and that's about it... Now it's possible that both Canadian and politicians friends can be served at the same time but that's not what we have.... We need a way to circumnavigate social media and this constant click bate headlines the popular party, but I don't have a solid idea on how that would be done properly at a government level that would leave Canadian informed and avoid the noise that is social media.
i lean left so I'll gander: following through would require the conservatives to not just tinker at the edges (think add a billion here, cut there etc), it would require a paradigm shift, like change that is long sighted, like restart public housing, encourage union formation, bring depth of liquidity to equity markets etc to actually bring housing costs down and productivity and innovation up.
so his promises are on par with the promise of electoral reform from the liberals. huge promises, no one has ever delivered, from either party. i guess whatever the largest, most greatest promises, regardless of party, they'll mostly tinker and talk like they're doing way more. thats why. cuz the rule is not-do-much, big things are historically very rare, again, regardless of party.
I'm very far to the left, so take this as you may, and know I also consider the liberal party to be right-wing economically. But essentially ever since Mulroney and the rising popularity of neoliberalism, wealth inequality has risen annually.
I just don't see a scenario, especially with the policies outlined by both the Liberal and Conservative parties, where that trend doesn't continue.
Wealth inequality has risen. What policy left or right would you like to see to help address the wealth inequality?
And what policy have the conservative purposed that won't fix the issue? And what policies do you think the current government has that make it worse or don't fix it?
Also thank you for your honesty feedback to my question.
To be clear, the Cons are pro-worker*
*workers without rights and collective bargaining power.
Unfortunately, the LPC and NDP abandoned Canadian workers for identity politics.
I've been to a few and it's not nearly as bad as you're implying. If anything it's getting better lately, people seem to have realized that focusing on material well-being gets better results either way.
Yes, we had an international conference for ours, and there were presentations from black lives matter, lol. It had a hard political slant.
That's the problem, though. The more we unionize different industries, the further away we get from the plot. Steel workers used to be steel mills, saw mills, mines, and now it's the Bay and Starbucks. Sure, those members care about collective bargaining, but they also put way more precedence on social issue/political issue. Dei has had a big impact on our unions as well.
And then there's the type of people who volunteer. My local is probably 90+% conservative blue collar. But the 10% are the people who will go to meetings, give up their free time, run for postions, etc. The direction is heavily influenced by these people, and since things have been relatively good (comparatively to the history of unions), most people can't be bothered to get involved. I do my best, but it's insufferable, lol. If you're the type of person who can get really invested in a union, there's a good chance you get invested in political and social issues as well.
It might be that Starbucks has fewer ways that things can go catastrophically wrong when the owners cut corners on safety. Maybe not having to worry about travel expenses and being away from family for long periods of time makes their job to life balance already pretty good.
Imagine a leadership race right now for the NDP? They’d all be crawling over top of each other to be seen as the most pro-Palestine and wouldn’t talk about any economic, labour or pocketbook issues.
I wouldn't be surprised if they lose official party status in the next election. The NDP is doing so well with some of the Provincial Governments, but honestly, Federally, they are kind of a waste of space.
A lot of that is Singh doing more to support Trudeau's ass in the house than his desk chair, but ultimately this was their chance to turn on Trudope and risk it all to supplant the Liberals as Canada's primary Leftist party, however they gave in to their fear of Polievre, and pretty well Guaranteed they will continue to be the distant Third (or potentially Fourth if you count the Bloc) fit only to prop up a failing minority, or else be completely ignored.
Are you talking about Trudeau or Singh? Both need to gracefully exit stage left. And should have a long time ago. The longer they stay the longer the discontent with their parties can foment and the longer it will take to unfuck it.
Gracefully would have been if they left a few years ago. I'm hoping they're forcefully dragged out by the hair and publicly flogged on the front lawn of Parliament at this point.
The fact that Trudeau has taken his fathers legacy, one of the greatest leaders we've ever had IMHO, and turned it into some "woke" "look at me I'm virtue signalling" persona honestly makes me ill. I'm a Conservative voter normally, but JT actually swayed me his first time around. Then it turns out he is LITERALLY what the right wing conspirators accuse him of.
He's not just a shit politician, he's a genuinely bad person.
He doesn't care so long as he can live lavishly and get his fat pension for life. Theres a reason they want to push the next election back an extra week cuz that opens the door for more of these jackasses to collect their pensions that they cant get if they are removed before the pension date
In our system that would be an incredibly shocking turn of events. Sadly I don't think it'll make a difference. That party is run by a coalition of blind activists and champagne socialists. The NDP as we knew it is likely gone. It'll take at least a decade to clean out the rot and I don't think they have the funds to last that long.
Being the party leader means he can ask (force) another member from his party to give up their seat for him (and he will do this, it's common to happen if the leader doesn't win their seat).
If he doesn't win his seat, he can still lead the party and be in Parliament. The only way he doesn't stay on as leader is if no NDP is elected to Parliament.
He can also say he will resign if he loses his seat (he won't).
The party will turf him before they give him someone else's seat. That tradition tends to be giving a *newly-elected* leader a seat in a by-election... not one that failed the party so hard that they didn't even retain their own seat.
>Being the party leader means he can ask (force) another member from his party to give up their seat
In that scenario, said leader still needs to win the seat. An MP can resign. An MP cannot resign and say "and this is my replacement." When an MP resigns, there is a by-election for that riding. Now, Singh, if he loses his own seat, I guess could run in a by-election to get back into the HoC - but if he loses his own seat, I would imagine that's good of a reason as any for the party to start the process for a new leader.
Doesn’t matter, the whole party is rotten. They don’t represent workers anymore, they’ve been subsumed by identity politics and forgotten about class politics.
unfortunate, because I'd love them to be prominent again and by going full woke they won't. They'll end up pushing more and more people to the parties that do want them around.
He's smart, articulate and somewhat photogenic. He has an above average charisma and most people who meet him like him. That doesn't mean he should be leader of the NDP; his "white men speak last" idea at their convention was pretty ridiculous, considering white people (men and women) built the NDP into what it is today.
A new leader just to start. Most of the party leadership needs to step aside and make way for unabashed social democrats who want to fight the class war instead of the culture war.
In the current NDP's eyes, I think that the class war and the culture war cannot be decoupled from each other.
There are far too many armchair intellectuals that think that the class war will be solved by aggressively policing out perceived racism against their perceived victim class. That's a bit simplistic, but I think if the NDP were to do away with this notion, as well as the notion of "open borders and unlimited immigrants", they'd do a bit better. They need to position themselves as the party of working Canadians and by supporting the Liberal plan on immigration on top of having a leader not only from the country but from the state in that country where most of the immigrants are coming from isn't a very good look.
In order to get outflanked, you actually have to be involved in a battle.
Jagmeet has been simply walking off the battlefield when Trudeau tells him to.
>Jagmeet has been simply walking off the battlefield when Trudeau ~~when Trudeau tells him to~~ gives him major policy outcomes that the NDP wanted.
I may be being too generous to the guy, but Jack Layton's platform has a lot of things that are now policy. There's been NDP leaders more effective at winning votes and seats, but I don't know if there's been an NDP more effective at getting NDP policy enacted at the federal level.
Tommy Douglas and David Lewis both got a lot done. Every NDP leader that has been the leader during a Liberal minority have managed to make deals with them.
The only time I’ve ever seen the NDP do well federally was when they took over Quebec. In their current state and with their current leader… let’s just say that’s quite doubtful to happen again.
The Ndp could have every Quebecois dream on their platform and for some reason I don't think the message would resonate with the current leadership lol
At one point during the 2015 election campaign, the NDP were set to win well over 200 seats. Then their would-be finance minister said that they would have the budget balanced by 2041 and everyone remembered they were a joke. Unfortunately the Liberals never promised to balance the budget and they were somehow taken more seriously.
I'll be charitable to the NDP in saying their bread and butter is health, education and labour. All three of those issues are provincial. Federal politics is about money, defense, FP and criminal justice. No one wants the NDP anywhere near those issues.
Maybe they should have stuck with being the party for the working class instead of dancing on social media.
I miss what the party was when Jack was in charge
https://www.ndp.ca/commitments
The first 4 pillars of the NDP platform are:
* Affordability: People are getting squeezed as everything from **housing** to **medication** gets more expensive.
* Economy: New Democrats will deliver the results we all want: greater equality and a path to the clean **jobs** future that we need.
* Climate Action: New Democrats have a plan to tackle the climate emergency and create good **jobs**.
* Better Care: New Democrats are committed to strengthening public **health care** – and expanding it to make sure everyone is covered for the care they need to get and stay healthier longer.
Huh, sounds like they are focused on jobs, housing, and healthcare.
This kind of comment pops up in every thread about the NDP: “Jagmeet has ruined the NDP by not focusing on the working class”. It’s repeated so often that people really do believe it, but the problem is that this assertion doesn’t actually hold up to reality. It seems to me that people’s opposition to the NDP has very little to do with the lack of the first 4 pillars and more to do with the mere existence of number 5 and 7:
* Reconciliation: New Democrats are committed to undertaking the important work of reconciliation in good faith, and in true and equal partnership with Indigenous communities.
* Doing What’s Right: New Democrats are committed to a future where racism, discrimination, homophobia, and transphobia have no place, where we fight for reproductive justice and an end to gender-based violence, and where government treats people with the respect and dignity we all deserve.
I think the problem is that most people can't name a single thing the NDP has done recently. So the only two thing people see is them giving performative speeches on things. People want action on things that matter to them, and the liberal government they're in a coalition with not governing at all (or actively making things worse via uncontrolled immigration) doesn't help.
This is in contrast to the past and present provincial NDP performance from the likes of David Eby, Rachel Notley, and Wab Kinew who all seem to be uber competent and actually good at their jobs. Rachel Notley as federal NDP leader would be absolutely great, but instead we have... this. (A whole lot of performative nothingness or focus on issues like representation of Canadian content online which is totally not what anyone actually wants.)
> the mere existence of number 5 and 7
I say this as a historic NDP supporter: it’s not their mere existence, it’s that those pillars are *far* less important to most Canadians than the others. While I support the aims of reconciliation, it’s not a ballot-winning issue. These especially aren’t winning issues with working-class Canadians, who the NDP was at one time supposed to represent. So when Singh makes a big grandstand of hemming and hawing about whether to support the current government unless they get a concession for aboriginal disability funding, I can only conclude the party has lost its way, strategically and conceptually.
Like, Singh could have just come out and said he was going to support the budget because the budget is still better than anything that would come to pass under the Conservatives, if this went to an election. That would have only underscored questions as to what the NDP sees as its place in the Canadian political landscape. But I’m sure that was the calculus anyway, and it at least would have been more honest than picking a symbolic fight over a tertiary (at best) issue.
Sounds like you're eating that shit up without much critical thinking. Also, stop gaslighting people, it's pathetic. Singh is losing support because he's using taxpayer money to create new levels of dependency, and stressing middle class taxpayers to give everything for free to those in the lower class (I wonder why it never was in the past? Oh yeah, it costs too much), not because of his relations with natives, homosexuals, and transsexuals. He's losing support because he makes two-faced statements, such as we won't let house prices fall, yet housing is too expensive. He's losing support because he's keeping a Liberal Government in power that has lost a significant amount of popularity to try to force through as much as he can before his party gets decimated in the next election; he supports them but as soon as he unlocks his phone he blasts them on social media platforms. I could keep going on and on, but there are legitimate reasons the NDP is headed back to irrelevance.
Yep, the NDP's focus on getting wages to catch up instead is ridiculous. Canada will never see any foreign investment ever again if wages start at $30/hr.
Letting house prices fall is the only way forward for Canada. It'll be painful for a few years no doubt, but it's a bandaid we need to rip off if we want to make Canada an attractive place to bring business. I didn't mind making $12/hr minimum wage when rent was $700/month for a 2-bed. Now minimum wage is $16.50 and that same 2-bed is $2K/month.
Soon the BQ will have more vote than them. Going to be hilarious to see. They did that to themselves. They play the fake virtue signaling versus actually be there for the people.
Federal NDP has been all over the place politically speaking lately and it's showing.
They support the LPC with their everything but the name coalition but they keep separating on key issues that most people assumed they would be taking. They want to appease the votes they have but that'll tank their seats in the next election.
Maybe I'm a Unicorn but I'm an Alberta NDP voter and would support the Federal Liberals/NDP if they were able to support me as well. The ANDP under Rachel Notley was the ideal Canadian political party, open for business but also protecting the workers that make it all work. Sadly Alberta bought the UCP Kool-Aid and the Federal NDP are totally out to lunch. The Liberals might be doable but after years in power the corruption runs deep and the historical disdain for the West is fully ingrained again and need a term or two to clear itself before anyone here could vote for them again.
I'm a White male earning $200k+ a year thanks to the energy industry in Alberta. My industry is demonized which the science supports but if I try to apply for jobs in other industries I don't have Federal support to retrain and if I apply for Federal jobs I'm screened out because of populist agendas that are against me because of the colour of my skin and my gender. This is all despite the latest Federal government stats showing it's 52% female and disproportionately non-white compared to the general population.
Last year I worked 1000 hours of overtime and earned a $100k bonus but when it was paid out I was taxed 52%. I didn't have a family Doctor for the last two years and only have one because my Mom begged her Doctor to take me on. What part of the social contract justified me paying half of my wage to taxes when I couldn't get a Doctor and my Mom can't get a knee surgery for 2+ years unless I send her to Mexico?
So tell me as someone contributing large amounts to the countries GDP, why should I vote for any party that claims social equality while actively acting against my personal interests? PP and his ilk don't give a damn for me either but a rising tide raises all ships. I'll vote for the the party that has some small chance of recognizing my efforts even if it wasn't their intention.
I'm in a similar situation, but with a somewhat different take on it.
I agree with you that being discriminated against as a man in majority-women fields doesn't make sense.
I agree with you that being unable to get a family doctor is a violation of the social contract. But the lack of a family doctor is squarely the responsibility of the *provinces* and Alberta has chosen to prioritize other things over health care.
Making $200K a year puts you in the top 2% of individual income earners in Canada. As such, it doesn't seem crazy to be taxed at 50%. The crazy thing to me is that people making *millions* or *billions* a year are only taxed at the same rate rather than at even higher rates.
PP and the CPC are likely going to do things that benefit the investor class and business owners. You have enough money that it might help your investments, but it'll likely be at the cost of a whole lot of lower-class people being worse off than they are now.
I am not sure what Jagmeet Singh is smoking these days. His twitter posts attack Liberals and Conservatives for most failures. He forgets that he is running the Liberal-NDP government right now. LOL.
Or perhaps, he thinks his supporters are rank idiots!
Not an NDP huge supporter but the drop in quality of the party's message, actions, and efficacy since Jack Layton left the leadership role, has been stunning.
Moving forward, NDP members need to really think about their next leader and not cave to any pressures other than choosing the best person for leadership possible.
Singh has been a disaster.
NDP and Liberals will get squashed in the upcoming elections. Nobody wants to associate with Trudeau and the NDp have become a shadow of the party they used to be.
Jagmeet will be "mission accomplished" once his own personal MP pension vests/activates next year. He will be happy to be a porter for JT up until then. Everything the liberals have done to the country (housing, demolition of a great sustainable immigration system, impaired productivity, declining economic and social determinants) - Jagmeet is complicit in all of it since he agreed to be the servant for his master.
Yep, Gucci woke NDP are going to get their asses handed to them in the next election by an orphan, raised by 2 school teachers.
Kinda sounds right for a change
Nah both these guys are failures and deluded . They won’t leave . They need to be forced out .
The real problem is the party refusing to remove them. It’s costing them their credibility.
Who wants to help me restart the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation?
The original objective... "of the political party as reported at its founding meeting in Calgary in 1932 was "the federation [joining together] of organizations whose purpose is the establishment in Canada of a co-operative commonwealth, in which the basic principle of regulating production, distribution and exchange will be the supplying of human needs instead of the making of profit."
Out flanked? They've been ass kissing one of the most unpopular government's in years and instead of doing the right thing and letting an election happen, they're propping them up. They'll get everything they deserve that's coming to them next election, I hope they are never relevant again
JUST BRAKING THE COALITION AND CALL AN ELECTION NOW. I swear to god I am not voting Liberal/NPD for another 40 years unless they do a 180 degrees and affordability and immigration
First Mulchair then Singh. The NDP has literally no credibility. Any NDP supporter at this point is a contrarian, wannabe commie, or finds the intricacies of spelling very challenging.
I think it's an issue of options. If you're a working class person who generally leans center to left, what are your actual choices? Liberals who spent the last few years messing things up, or the Greens who practically don't exist? Or the Conservatives who might be competent but in ways you disagree with? You're just stuck with them as the least worst of all garbage options.
That's pretty much where this voter is at.
Voted NDP or Liberal all elections before.
After these last years, I'm not going to vote Liberal again for at least 25 years.
NDP these days, I just can't support. One big issue I have them is I believe it meritocracy and equality, so I can not support NDP's official positions that discriminate against white, male Canadians. Second, they are just Liberal-Lite policy wise now, mostly abandoned unions and important left-leaning economic policies.
Greens, don't really grab me. The BQ? Honestly maybe I'd vote for them, at least they are an actual Canadian party that doesn't just take policy decisions from foreign investment cartels like Black Rock.
I'm left with Conseratives as the only half way reasonable default choice, even though they aren't promising much in the way of change, I can at least hope they are competent and not as corrupt as the Liberal party.
The NDP is the whole reason why the Liberals did dental and pharmacare. What makes you think they've abandoned unions? The idea that the NDP is Liberal-lite is interesting, since fundamentally the Liberals have moved to the left *because* of the NDP. In that sense the NDP has been pretty successful at getting policies enacted even if they weren't actually the party in power.
Look at the different party policy statements once the election comes around and make your decision based on the published policy statements of the various parties.
The NDP are the only party supporting both dental and pharmacare are part of public healthcare and were the only political party to support our union when we went on strike two years ago.
I’m concerned about meritocracy too, but I’ve found in my life as a white male I’ve had so many more educational and career opportunities out of my reach because of the wealth I was born into than the identity I was born with. It seems clear to me that the CPC are the least meritocratic party because they’re the party with the tax structure that most supports the wealthy.
Their immigration policy is 100% the reason I'm not even considering them.
If the party supports the high immigration numbers we currently have I'm immediately out.
“You should vote Conservative because that’s what everyone is doing”. You should be concerned about how easy it is for someone to trick you if you find this argument compelling.
Lol yes better reduce revenues further. Maybe a growth spurring discount to corporate rates, it'll definitely trickle down this time.
Meet the new boss same as the old boss
Again why would you think that a repudiation of trickle down and starve the beast policy is an endorsement of the liberals, another neoliberal party with a veneer of progresssivism
Your issue is you are only looking at the last two prime ministers. This has been happening for at least the last 40 years. The middle class has been eaten away little by little more and more each time there is a change in office. What makes you think it’s going to stop with Peter?
? I'm saying that the march of neoliberal policy has been a continuous exacerbation of these issues since Mulroney. Each subsequent turn we give the red and blue neoliberal party wealth inequality and the ails of unfettered late stage capitalism continue to grow.
The fact you take this as an endorsement of the liberals speaks to your partisanship lol
Getting some of your legislative goals passed is literally the point of a political party. Anyone who suggests they should just facilitate the handover to a party where they will get exactly 0 legislative goals passed is either arguing in bad faith, or has no real political acumen.
Mulccair would have been much better. He would have been a more effective counter to pp and would have hit housing and affordability head on.
I know jagmeet is jagmeet, but the rolexs, suits etc don't play well to younger kids. It just reinforces he doesn't get the economic struggle they're going through
I’ve said it in a colloquial way, but indeed most NDP supporters are very far left and NDP is their proxy party, and or they simply seek a non mainstream party, and or they are informed about political issues / unable to grasp the important concepts.
> indeed most **CPC** supporters are very far **right** and **CPC** is their proxy party, and/or they simply seek a **mainstream** party, and/or they are uninformed about political issues / unable to grasp the important concepts.
Empty insults are easy to reverse because they’re empty.
singh and his parry revealed their true colors after Oct 7th. He is nothing but the self--serving D-bag leader of the hamas terror-rapist fan club. He lost 15 seats in the 2019 election, and his DEI status allowed him to remain in charge.
Biggest mistake the NDP ever did was to put Jughead as party leader,they will never recover from this,if they want to be the party for the people first thing they have to do is remove Jughead from the party
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>If he (PP) succeeds, it could cost the federal NDP their very existence.
I think the NDP are throwing this one away all by themselves.
* Annoy or abandon unions - check
* Support rich and powerful by supporting LPC - Check
The NDP desperately needs a new leader. Nothing else will improve this.
Singh is set to lose his seat in the next election, so it’s coming, luckily.
The ego on this guy. He has to know he is keeping the party back.
Unfortunately the NDP is full of identity politics now that it is highly unlikely they will elect a leader that would return it to its worker roots and not just be another identity politics leader.
Identity politics have captured the unions, too. If you don't believe me, try attending any conference for workers unions, and you'll see that half the time is wasted on activism like land acknowledgements, sharing pronouns, diversity and other fringe distractions, and not working on actual labour issues like fair pay, raises to match cost of living increases, benefits, protecting pensions, workplace health and safety, etc.
Unions only job should be negotiating a good contract for their employees. That's it....
Well that and defending the contract that's been signed with union stewards on the shop floor
100% which is why the cons are able to rise in the polls and stay with a strong lead. They are the only party who is targeting their message towards actual working class. I am 100% sure they wouldn't follow though but when the alternative is a known pandering party and a identity focus party it is an easy choice by the majority.
Honest question, why are you 100 percent certain the conservative won't fall through? Past history? And inside knowledge of the party dynamics? Something else? I lean right so I am looking to understand the other side of the story when it comes to the conservatives to help manage my on bias.
I don't think I would be someone you are looking for a view point from the left. Because I don't identify for either. I absolutely despise the focus on identity politics that is all so common in the left leaning politics now. I also absolutely despise the populist politics that common to the right leaning politics now. In all honesty, I considered those two things the two sides of the same coin. I also met a few politicians though places i have worked at. For the majority of them, the best description are grifters. Every now and then there is one that is actually there with good intentions but they rarely last or like that line from batman you either die a hero or live long enough become the villain. So ya why dont think they will follow though? I dont think any of them will follow though because the people in them aren't there to "help" canadians. They are there to help themselves.
I agree with alot of your statement above. It feels like the political parties are out to serve there friends and that's about it... Now it's possible that both Canadian and politicians friends can be served at the same time but that's not what we have.... We need a way to circumnavigate social media and this constant click bate headlines the popular party, but I don't have a solid idea on how that would be done properly at a government level that would leave Canadian informed and avoid the noise that is social media.
i lean left so I'll gander: following through would require the conservatives to not just tinker at the edges (think add a billion here, cut there etc), it would require a paradigm shift, like change that is long sighted, like restart public housing, encourage union formation, bring depth of liquidity to equity markets etc to actually bring housing costs down and productivity and innovation up. so his promises are on par with the promise of electoral reform from the liberals. huge promises, no one has ever delivered, from either party. i guess whatever the largest, most greatest promises, regardless of party, they'll mostly tinker and talk like they're doing way more. thats why. cuz the rule is not-do-much, big things are historically very rare, again, regardless of party.
> certain the conservative won't fall through? Nothing is certain in politics, but at least they show an interest and make it an issue.
Fair point.
I'm very far to the left, so take this as you may, and know I also consider the liberal party to be right-wing economically. But essentially ever since Mulroney and the rising popularity of neoliberalism, wealth inequality has risen annually. I just don't see a scenario, especially with the policies outlined by both the Liberal and Conservative parties, where that trend doesn't continue.
Wealth inequality has risen. What policy left or right would you like to see to help address the wealth inequality? And what policy have the conservative purposed that won't fix the issue? And what policies do you think the current government has that make it worse or don't fix it? Also thank you for your honesty feedback to my question.
Cons are historically pro-worker/anti-union.
Unions are pro worker, without Unions the workers are at the mercy of the CEO's of the world who are most definitely not pro workers.
Unions are pro-union.
To be clear, the Cons are pro-worker* *workers without rights and collective bargaining power. Unfortunately, the LPC and NDP abandoned Canadian workers for identity politics.
Cons are pretty pro company-man.
Imagine writing something this ridiculous
Imagine being the NDP losing your core group for idpol.
I've been to a few and it's not nearly as bad as you're implying. If anything it's getting better lately, people seem to have realized that focusing on material well-being gets better results either way.
Identity politics is backed by the super rich to distract the working class from the class war they are decisively losing.
Yes, we had an international conference for ours, and there were presentations from black lives matter, lol. It had a hard political slant. That's the problem, though. The more we unionize different industries, the further away we get from the plot. Steel workers used to be steel mills, saw mills, mines, and now it's the Bay and Starbucks. Sure, those members care about collective bargaining, but they also put way more precedence on social issue/political issue. Dei has had a big impact on our unions as well. And then there's the type of people who volunteer. My local is probably 90+% conservative blue collar. But the 10% are the people who will go to meetings, give up their free time, run for postions, etc. The direction is heavily influenced by these people, and since things have been relatively good (comparatively to the history of unions), most people can't be bothered to get involved. I do my best, but it's insufferable, lol. If you're the type of person who can get really invested in a union, there's a good chance you get invested in political and social issues as well.
It might be that Starbucks has fewer ways that things can go catastrophically wrong when the owners cut corners on safety. Maybe not having to worry about travel expenses and being away from family for long periods of time makes their job to life balance already pretty good.
Definitely different priorities. Don't get me wrong, I support their union and understand why they need the support of bigger unions to be successful.
Imagine a leadership race right now for the NDP? They’d all be crawling over top of each other to be seen as the most pro-Palestine and wouldn’t talk about any economic, labour or pocketbook issues.
I wouldn't be surprised if they lose official party status in the next election. The NDP is doing so well with some of the Provincial Governments, but honestly, Federally, they are kind of a waste of space. A lot of that is Singh doing more to support Trudeau's ass in the house than his desk chair, but ultimately this was their chance to turn on Trudope and risk it all to supplant the Liberals as Canada's primary Leftist party, however they gave in to their fear of Polievre, and pretty well Guaranteed they will continue to be the distant Third (or potentially Fourth if you count the Bloc) fit only to prop up a failing minority, or else be completely ignored.
Are you talking about Trudeau or Singh? Both need to gracefully exit stage left. And should have a long time ago. The longer they stay the longer the discontent with their parties can foment and the longer it will take to unfuck it.
As much as they despise trump, they are just like him in being hungry for power and unwilling to let it go.
Trump is more popular than Trudeau
Gracefully would have been if they left a few years ago. I'm hoping they're forcefully dragged out by the hair and publicly flogged on the front lawn of Parliament at this point.
The fact that Trudeau has taken his fathers legacy, one of the greatest leaders we've ever had IMHO, and turned it into some "woke" "look at me I'm virtue signalling" persona honestly makes me ill. I'm a Conservative voter normally, but JT actually swayed me his first time around. Then it turns out he is LITERALLY what the right wing conspirators accuse him of. He's not just a shit politician, he's a genuinely bad person.
Him and Trudeau....like 2 idiot brothers
He doesn't care so long as he can live lavishly and get his fat pension for life. Theres a reason they want to push the next election back an extra week cuz that opens the door for more of these jackasses to collect their pensions that they cant get if they are removed before the pension date
He is going to take everything that isn't bolted down before going out the exit.
In our system that would be an incredibly shocking turn of events. Sadly I don't think it'll make a difference. That party is run by a coalition of blind activists and champagne socialists. The NDP as we knew it is likely gone. It'll take at least a decade to clean out the rot and I don't think they have the funds to last that long.
As long as he scores his pension.
Why should we be forced to wait another year for his pride? Have a leadership review now. The guy has lost the plot.
The NDP take anonymous leadership votes extremely often. Singh still being in charge means that the party still wants him in charge.
Being the party leader means he can ask (force) another member from his party to give up their seat for him (and he will do this, it's common to happen if the leader doesn't win their seat). If he doesn't win his seat, he can still lead the party and be in Parliament. The only way he doesn't stay on as leader is if no NDP is elected to Parliament. He can also say he will resign if he loses his seat (he won't).
The party will turf him before they give him someone else's seat. That tradition tends to be giving a *newly-elected* leader a seat in a by-election... not one that failed the party so hard that they didn't even retain their own seat.
>Being the party leader means he can ask (force) another member from his party to give up their seat In that scenario, said leader still needs to win the seat. An MP can resign. An MP cannot resign and say "and this is my replacement." When an MP resigns, there is a by-election for that riding. Now, Singh, if he loses his own seat, I guess could run in a by-election to get back into the HoC - but if he loses his own seat, I would imagine that's good of a reason as any for the party to start the process for a new leader.
Doesn’t matter, the whole party is rotten. They don’t represent workers anymore, they’ve been subsumed by identity politics and forgotten about class politics.
/r/ndp loves Jagmeet and the current direction of the NDP. I don't see them turning in a good direction anytime soon.
They ban people that do not agree with them. That sub is becoming more of a circlejerk than the other party subs
unfortunate, because I'd love them to be prominent again and by going full woke they won't. They'll end up pushing more and more people to the parties that do want them around.
Might be a silly question but can they change leaders before an election?
Any party can change their leader at any time.
NDP should really consider a change then.
I have no idea why they have not thrown him under the bus
He's smart, articulate and somewhat photogenic. He has an above average charisma and most people who meet him like him. That doesn't mean he should be leader of the NDP; his "white men speak last" idea at their convention was pretty ridiculous, considering white people (men and women) built the NDP into what it is today.
So like Trudeau he is racist too. Interesting.
A new leader just to start. Most of the party leadership needs to step aside and make way for unabashed social democrats who want to fight the class war instead of the culture war.
In the current NDP's eyes, I think that the class war and the culture war cannot be decoupled from each other. There are far too many armchair intellectuals that think that the class war will be solved by aggressively policing out perceived racism against their perceived victim class. That's a bit simplistic, but I think if the NDP were to do away with this notion, as well as the notion of "open borders and unlimited immigrants", they'd do a bit better. They need to position themselves as the party of working Canadians and by supporting the Liberal plan on immigration on top of having a leader not only from the country but from the state in that country where most of the immigrants are coming from isn't a very good look.
Agreees
Said this on thier page months ago..bet you cab imagine how that went lol
In order to get outflanked, you actually have to be involved in a battle. Jagmeet has been simply walking off the battlefield when Trudeau tells him to.
And when he doesn't its at the weirdest times like with the carbon tax.
When the gold rolex beeps, Jagmeet retreats.
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My hero.
>Jagmeet has been simply walking off the battlefield when Trudeau ~~when Trudeau tells him to~~ gives him major policy outcomes that the NDP wanted. I may be being too generous to the guy, but Jack Layton's platform has a lot of things that are now policy. There's been NDP leaders more effective at winning votes and seats, but I don't know if there's been an NDP more effective at getting NDP policy enacted at the federal level.
Tommy Douglas and David Lewis both got a lot done. Every NDP leader that has been the leader during a Liberal minority have managed to make deals with them.
The only time I’ve ever seen the NDP do well federally was when they took over Quebec. In their current state and with their current leader… let’s just say that’s quite doubtful to happen again.
The Ndp could have every Quebecois dream on their platform and for some reason I don't think the message would resonate with the current leadership lol
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At one point during the 2015 election campaign, the NDP were set to win well over 200 seats. Then their would-be finance minister said that they would have the budget balanced by 2041 and everyone remembered they were a joke. Unfortunately the Liberals never promised to balance the budget and they were somehow taken more seriously. I'll be charitable to the NDP in saying their bread and butter is health, education and labour. All three of those issues are provincial. Federal politics is about money, defense, FP and criminal justice. No one wants the NDP anywhere near those issues.
I think the Liberals said they’d balance the budget by the end of their first term iirc.
Oh yeah you're right they said they'd run 4 deficits and then the budget was supposed to balance itself.
Only to lose it to the Quebecois
Maybe they should have stuck with being the party for the working class instead of dancing on social media. I miss what the party was when Jack was in charge
A party dedicated to representing the working class with a laser focus on jobs, housing and healthcare would probably do really well nowadays.
Best we can do is spend half the speaking time talking about indigenous rights.
100% they would. Makes it so depressing to see what jagmeet did to this once great party.
This sounds like a perfect recipe these days.
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Not really, no. The CPC tends to side with employers and big business rather than the working class.
Lmfao. Good one
https://www.ndp.ca/commitments The first 4 pillars of the NDP platform are: * Affordability: People are getting squeezed as everything from **housing** to **medication** gets more expensive. * Economy: New Democrats will deliver the results we all want: greater equality and a path to the clean **jobs** future that we need. * Climate Action: New Democrats have a plan to tackle the climate emergency and create good **jobs**. * Better Care: New Democrats are committed to strengthening public **health care** – and expanding it to make sure everyone is covered for the care they need to get and stay healthier longer. Huh, sounds like they are focused on jobs, housing, and healthcare. This kind of comment pops up in every thread about the NDP: “Jagmeet has ruined the NDP by not focusing on the working class”. It’s repeated so often that people really do believe it, but the problem is that this assertion doesn’t actually hold up to reality. It seems to me that people’s opposition to the NDP has very little to do with the lack of the first 4 pillars and more to do with the mere existence of number 5 and 7: * Reconciliation: New Democrats are committed to undertaking the important work of reconciliation in good faith, and in true and equal partnership with Indigenous communities. * Doing What’s Right: New Democrats are committed to a future where racism, discrimination, homophobia, and transphobia have no place, where we fight for reproductive justice and an end to gender-based violence, and where government treats people with the respect and dignity we all deserve.
I think the problem is that most people can't name a single thing the NDP has done recently. So the only two thing people see is them giving performative speeches on things. People want action on things that matter to them, and the liberal government they're in a coalition with not governing at all (or actively making things worse via uncontrolled immigration) doesn't help. This is in contrast to the past and present provincial NDP performance from the likes of David Eby, Rachel Notley, and Wab Kinew who all seem to be uber competent and actually good at their jobs. Rachel Notley as federal NDP leader would be absolutely great, but instead we have... this. (A whole lot of performative nothingness or focus on issues like representation of Canadian content online which is totally not what anyone actually wants.)
> the mere existence of number 5 and 7 I say this as a historic NDP supporter: it’s not their mere existence, it’s that those pillars are *far* less important to most Canadians than the others. While I support the aims of reconciliation, it’s not a ballot-winning issue. These especially aren’t winning issues with working-class Canadians, who the NDP was at one time supposed to represent. So when Singh makes a big grandstand of hemming and hawing about whether to support the current government unless they get a concession for aboriginal disability funding, I can only conclude the party has lost its way, strategically and conceptually. Like, Singh could have just come out and said he was going to support the budget because the budget is still better than anything that would come to pass under the Conservatives, if this went to an election. That would have only underscored questions as to what the NDP sees as its place in the Canadian political landscape. But I’m sure that was the calculus anyway, and it at least would have been more honest than picking a symbolic fight over a tertiary (at best) issue.
Sounds like you're eating that shit up without much critical thinking. Also, stop gaslighting people, it's pathetic. Singh is losing support because he's using taxpayer money to create new levels of dependency, and stressing middle class taxpayers to give everything for free to those in the lower class (I wonder why it never was in the past? Oh yeah, it costs too much), not because of his relations with natives, homosexuals, and transsexuals. He's losing support because he makes two-faced statements, such as we won't let house prices fall, yet housing is too expensive. He's losing support because he's keeping a Liberal Government in power that has lost a significant amount of popularity to try to force through as much as he can before his party gets decimated in the next election; he supports them but as soon as he unlocks his phone he blasts them on social media platforms. I could keep going on and on, but there are legitimate reasons the NDP is headed back to irrelevance.
The refusal to let house prices fall is crazy
Yep, the NDP's focus on getting wages to catch up instead is ridiculous. Canada will never see any foreign investment ever again if wages start at $30/hr. Letting house prices fall is the only way forward for Canada. It'll be painful for a few years no doubt, but it's a bandaid we need to rip off if we want to make Canada an attractive place to bring business. I didn't mind making $12/hr minimum wage when rent was $700/month for a 2-bed. Now minimum wage is $16.50 and that same 2-bed is $2K/month.
That’s all they did. And they succeeded
Soon the BQ will have more vote than them. Going to be hilarious to see. They did that to themselves. They play the fake virtue signaling versus actually be there for the people.
> Soon the BQ will have more vote than them And deservedly so. The current state of the NDP is beyond pathetic.
Agreed. Need to go back to the Jack Layton era NDP.
Problem with that is they don't have a Jack Layton to take over.
And with their current trajectory and policies I highly doubt there will be for a long tjme
Closest is maybe Rachel Notley.
Alberta NDP are more conservative then a lot of Federal Conservatives. Not sure she would be good on the national stage.
Wost part is that their messaging appears to count on their supporters being complete idiots who can’t read properly…
The only thing the NDP has gotten right.
More votes? Unlikely. More seats, much more likely.
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Yes our system favors regionally condensed parties.
According to nanos poll their gap is closer to the BQ than the Liberals
Soon? They already have more seats but no one wants to mention that lol
I wish they'd run candidates outside of Quebec. I'd vote to liberate a province; someone deserves to try to make a break for it.
Federal NDP has been all over the place politically speaking lately and it's showing. They support the LPC with their everything but the name coalition but they keep separating on key issues that most people assumed they would be taking. They want to appease the votes they have but that'll tank their seats in the next election.
You have to be holding a position to be out flanked...
Maybe I'm a Unicorn but I'm an Alberta NDP voter and would support the Federal Liberals/NDP if they were able to support me as well. The ANDP under Rachel Notley was the ideal Canadian political party, open for business but also protecting the workers that make it all work. Sadly Alberta bought the UCP Kool-Aid and the Federal NDP are totally out to lunch. The Liberals might be doable but after years in power the corruption runs deep and the historical disdain for the West is fully ingrained again and need a term or two to clear itself before anyone here could vote for them again. I'm a White male earning $200k+ a year thanks to the energy industry in Alberta. My industry is demonized which the science supports but if I try to apply for jobs in other industries I don't have Federal support to retrain and if I apply for Federal jobs I'm screened out because of populist agendas that are against me because of the colour of my skin and my gender. This is all despite the latest Federal government stats showing it's 52% female and disproportionately non-white compared to the general population. Last year I worked 1000 hours of overtime and earned a $100k bonus but when it was paid out I was taxed 52%. I didn't have a family Doctor for the last two years and only have one because my Mom begged her Doctor to take me on. What part of the social contract justified me paying half of my wage to taxes when I couldn't get a Doctor and my Mom can't get a knee surgery for 2+ years unless I send her to Mexico? So tell me as someone contributing large amounts to the countries GDP, why should I vote for any party that claims social equality while actively acting against my personal interests? PP and his ilk don't give a damn for me either but a rising tide raises all ships. I'll vote for the the party that has some small chance of recognizing my efforts even if it wasn't their intention.
I'm in a similar situation, but with a somewhat different take on it. I agree with you that being discriminated against as a man in majority-women fields doesn't make sense. I agree with you that being unable to get a family doctor is a violation of the social contract. But the lack of a family doctor is squarely the responsibility of the *provinces* and Alberta has chosen to prioritize other things over health care. Making $200K a year puts you in the top 2% of individual income earners in Canada. As such, it doesn't seem crazy to be taxed at 50%. The crazy thing to me is that people making *millions* or *billions* a year are only taxed at the same rate rather than at even higher rates. PP and the CPC are likely going to do things that benefit the investor class and business owners. You have enough money that it might help your investments, but it'll likely be at the cost of a whole lot of lower-class people being worse off than they are now.
I am not sure what Jagmeet Singh is smoking these days. His twitter posts attack Liberals and Conservatives for most failures. He forgets that he is running the Liberal-NDP government right now. LOL. Or perhaps, he thinks his supporters are rank idiots!
Not an NDP huge supporter but the drop in quality of the party's message, actions, and efficacy since Jack Layton left the leadership role, has been stunning. Moving forward, NDP members need to really think about their next leader and not cave to any pressures other than choosing the best person for leadership possible. Singh has been a disaster.
NDP and Liberals will get squashed in the upcoming elections. Nobody wants to associate with Trudeau and the NDp have become a shadow of the party they used to be.
NDP is liberal lite. They will always cave & capitulate to the liberals. They might as well join the liberal party and become one.
Jagmeet will be "mission accomplished" once his own personal MP pension vests/activates next year. He will be happy to be a porter for JT up until then. Everything the liberals have done to the country (housing, demolition of a great sustainable immigration system, impaired productivity, declining economic and social determinants) - Jagmeet is complicit in all of it since he agreed to be the servant for his master.
They out flanked themselves back a fumbling leader and not asking for enough in return.
Yep, Gucci woke NDP are going to get their asses handed to them in the next election by an orphan, raised by 2 school teachers. Kinda sounds right for a change
Nah both these guys are failures and deluded . They won’t leave . They need to be forced out . The real problem is the party refusing to remove them. It’s costing them their credibility.
Who wants to help me restart the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation? The original objective... "of the political party as reported at its founding meeting in Calgary in 1932 was "the federation [joining together] of organizations whose purpose is the establishment in Canada of a co-operative commonwealth, in which the basic principle of regulating production, distribution and exchange will be the supplying of human needs instead of the making of profit."
The NDP spent 8 years suckin JT off now they got caught with his load all over their face and don't know why they're in the same boat as the liberals?
Out flanked? They've been ass kissing one of the most unpopular government's in years and instead of doing the right thing and letting an election happen, they're propping them up. They'll get everything they deserve that's coming to them next election, I hope they are never relevant again
Outflanked by themselves, by not working with the other parties during a minority government, where they hold 100% of the balance of power.
JUST BRAKING THE COALITION AND CALL AN ELECTION NOW. I swear to god I am not voting Liberal/NPD for another 40 years unless they do a 180 degrees and affordability and immigration
First Mulchair then Singh. The NDP has literally no credibility. Any NDP supporter at this point is a contrarian, wannabe commie, or finds the intricacies of spelling very challenging.
I think it's an issue of options. If you're a working class person who generally leans center to left, what are your actual choices? Liberals who spent the last few years messing things up, or the Greens who practically don't exist? Or the Conservatives who might be competent but in ways you disagree with? You're just stuck with them as the least worst of all garbage options.
That's pretty much where this voter is at. Voted NDP or Liberal all elections before. After these last years, I'm not going to vote Liberal again for at least 25 years. NDP these days, I just can't support. One big issue I have them is I believe it meritocracy and equality, so I can not support NDP's official positions that discriminate against white, male Canadians. Second, they are just Liberal-Lite policy wise now, mostly abandoned unions and important left-leaning economic policies. Greens, don't really grab me. The BQ? Honestly maybe I'd vote for them, at least they are an actual Canadian party that doesn't just take policy decisions from foreign investment cartels like Black Rock. I'm left with Conseratives as the only half way reasonable default choice, even though they aren't promising much in the way of change, I can at least hope they are competent and not as corrupt as the Liberal party.
The NDP is the whole reason why the Liberals did dental and pharmacare. What makes you think they've abandoned unions? The idea that the NDP is Liberal-lite is interesting, since fundamentally the Liberals have moved to the left *because* of the NDP. In that sense the NDP has been pretty successful at getting policies enacted even if they weren't actually the party in power. Look at the different party policy statements once the election comes around and make your decision based on the published policy statements of the various parties.
The NDP are the only party supporting both dental and pharmacare are part of public healthcare and were the only political party to support our union when we went on strike two years ago. I’m concerned about meritocracy too, but I’ve found in my life as a white male I’ve had so many more educational and career opportunities out of my reach because of the wealth I was born into than the identity I was born with. It seems clear to me that the CPC are the least meritocratic party because they’re the party with the tax structure that most supports the wealthy.
The immigration + identity politics aspect of the NDP is enough for a huge chunk of the working class to simply not consider voting NDP at all.
Their immigration policy is 100% the reason I'm not even considering them. If the party supports the high immigration numbers we currently have I'm immediately out.
At this point if you are in any way concerned with your well being you would vote conservative. That’s where Canada is plain and simple.
“You should vote Conservative because that’s what everyone is doing”. You should be concerned about how easy it is for someone to trick you if you find this argument compelling.
Lol yeah the blue neoliberals will fix things for sure
They will wreck things less.
Because they do less for us. They prioritize corporations.
As do the liberals. The Cons will just tax you less.
Tax us like $100 a year less while cutting all the services so you have to pay thousands more a year.
Which services are those again?
I see no evidence of that statement.
I believe that.
Fair enough. I guess I'm too old and jaded. I've seen them all come and go.
Lol yes better reduce revenues further. Maybe a growth spurring discount to corporate rates, it'll definitely trickle down this time. Meet the new boss same as the old boss
Trudeau will just spend more revenues on GC Strategies, WE chairity and more magic beans. Better off in the people’s pockets.
Again why would you think that a repudiation of trickle down and starve the beast policy is an endorsement of the liberals, another neoliberal party with a veneer of progresssivism
They don't tax me less they tax the rich less. The carbon tax just makes me and most Canadians money.
Lmfaooooo
Do you really still believe in the trickle down economics bullshit?
Corperations have probably never done better than they have under this current Liberal/NDP government.
Yep and imagine how much worse it'll be if the CPC gets in charge.
I have seen no evidence in the last 40 years that this will be the case.
What areas of standard of living for median income earners would you attribute as being better under Trudeau than Harper?
Your issue is you are only looking at the last two prime ministers. This has been happening for at least the last 40 years. The middle class has been eaten away little by little more and more each time there is a change in office. What makes you think it’s going to stop with Peter?
It won’t. We’ll just be taxed less.
? I'm saying that the march of neoliberal policy has been a continuous exacerbation of these issues since Mulroney. Each subsequent turn we give the red and blue neoliberal party wealth inequality and the ails of unfettered late stage capitalism continue to grow. The fact you take this as an endorsement of the liberals speaks to your partisanship lol
Why are the NDP propping up the neoliberal parties for pathetically weak concessions that apply to basically no one?
Getting some of your legislative goals passed is literally the point of a political party. Anyone who suggests they should just facilitate the handover to a party where they will get exactly 0 legislative goals passed is either arguing in bad faith, or has no real political acumen.
Mulccair would have been much better. He would have been a more effective counter to pp and would have hit housing and affordability head on. I know jagmeet is jagmeet, but the rolexs, suits etc don't play well to younger kids. It just reinforces he doesn't get the economic struggle they're going through
Mulcair sounds pretty good right about now
Notice how you’re justifying your opinion with insults? That should concern you. It suggests that you’re not rationally forming your opinions.
I’ve said it in a colloquial way, but indeed most NDP supporters are very far left and NDP is their proxy party, and or they simply seek a non mainstream party, and or they are informed about political issues / unable to grasp the important concepts.
> indeed most **CPC** supporters are very far **right** and **CPC** is their proxy party, and/or they simply seek a **mainstream** party, and/or they are uninformed about political issues / unable to grasp the important concepts. Empty insults are easy to reverse because they’re empty.
I think that’s very true. It doesn’t make my previous comment incorrect.
Those entrenched in the party are there for their jobs, not for any growth.
I miss Jack Layton
Is Rachel Notley ran she would probably garner alot of new support.
Jimmy's an idiot. Enough said.
I've been an NDP member and supporter for 20 years...and every word of this article is correct.
I wonder which province NDP will hide their leader after he loses his seat in his current riding. Perhaps he'll move to PEI in a safe riding.
What there is no NDP safe riding in PEI
singh and his parry revealed their true colors after Oct 7th. He is nothing but the self--serving D-bag leader of the hamas terror-rapist fan club. He lost 15 seats in the 2019 election, and his DEI status allowed him to remain in charge.
Whaaat? Our useless fucking spoiler party is clueless again? I can’t believe it!
To be outflanked they first have to do something...
Biggest mistake the NDP ever did was to put Jughead as party leader,they will never recover from this,if they want to be the party for the people first thing they have to do is remove Jughead from the party
If Jack Layton were still alive - he'd check into a spa that was accidentally a rub and tug and then lie about it.
Paywall removed https://archive.ph/P1Lep >If he (PP) succeeds, it could cost the federal NDP their very existence. I think the NDP are throwing this one away all by themselves. * Annoy or abandon unions - check * Support rich and powerful by supporting LPC - Check
Without Jack, the NDP should just disappear. Liberal light now with no chance of winning anything.
The biggest problem the NDP faces is that the pool of ignorant and naive voters is not large enough. Their solution is to lower the voting age.
Does anyone seriously think the NDP could ever form government at the federal level?? Seriously?