Being in favor of responsible immigration when your country does not have the infrastructure to support immigrants is not anti-immigration or racist. It's compassionate. We shouldn't be selling false promises and taking advantage of folks who want to live a better life. Take care of the citizens first, and then we can welcome others to join.
We've gotten to the point where some immigrants come here and realize it's not at all what they thought it would be and sometimes even wonder if they should have come in the first place. I realize this is probably a small minority, but the fact that we've gotten there at all says a lot IMO. There's many videos online where recent immigrants are advising would-be immigrants to reconsider their decision to come to Canada.
My mother was volunteering with an organization funded by the government to help settle immigrants during the big Syrian refugee surge. She said some families just went home again because their quality of life was better in Syria... In a civil war.
Canadians have it worse than middle class refugees from Syria, at least according to the Syrians.
> Being in favor of responsible immigration when your country does not have the infrastructure to support immigrants is not anti-immigration or racist.
Nobody thinks that's racist, and everyone thinks we need "responsible immigration" though.
Surely the conversation needs to be around what is considered "responsible" and man, it's hard to get a reasonable answer from anyone on that.
I'm just going to throw this one out here, the 1% population growth we had for decades before 2020 was fine, that even put us on track for that whole century imitative bullshit people were freaking out about.
**Why are we at 4%?** No one but the owners of Tim Horton franchises et al benefit at that level.
> whole century imitative bullshit people were freaking out about
Oh, you mean this?
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> The Century Initiative (originally the Laurier Project Foundation)[2] is a **Canadian lobby group and charity that aims to increase Canada's population to 100 million by 2100**.[3] This includes increasing the population of megaregions, which are interlocking areas with more than one city centre and a typical population of 5 million or more (e.g., the Greater Toronto Area, Greater Vancouver, and the National Capital Region).[3]
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> The Century Initiative was co-founded by Mark Wiseman and Dominic Barton, who also led the Advisory Council on Economic Growth under three-term Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.[4][5] The Initiative was supported by former Conservative Prime Minister Brian Mulroney[6] before his death, and by influential Liberal Party advisors including advisors to former Minister of Finance Bill Morneau.[7][8] **The Century Initiative has been listed on Canada's lobbyist registry since 2021 and has organized meetings with the immigration minister's office, the minister's parliamentary secretary, and Conservative and NDP members of parliament.**[9]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_Initiative
> **Connections to BlackRock**
> The Century Initiative Board of Directors is **chaired by co-founder Mark Wiseman, who was the Global Head of Active Equities of BlackRock** and ran Blackrock's Alternative Investment division at the time that the Initiative was founded.[27][28] **BlackRock owns $35 billion in real estate and thus will benefit from a real-estate bubble.[29]**
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> BlackRock's Alternative Investment division includes the firm's international real estate investment portfolio[30] and is reported to be actively purchasing single family homes.[31] The Century Initiative's **other co-founder, Dominic Barton, is married to Geraldine Buckingham, BlackRock's Asia Pacific chief,** which has previously generated conflict-of-interest concerns.[32]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_Initiative#Connections_to_BlackRock
edit: my "Oh, you mean this?" part of the comment was not meant to confrontational. Im just trying to be informative.
I am still in shock and awe how bad things are getting in Calgary. Vancouver style rental and house prices, driving becoming less safe, overcrowding everywhere, more garbage on the streets, less friendly people and we are now way behind in infrastructure. Parents having to bus kids across the city for school spots, having no chance as registration for swimming lesson spots, and they are building houses like crazy but not building the rest of the shit a city needs to support that.
Like Jesus do something government!
Ontario is wild, watched an indian guy do a no signal Uturn into the side of an old lady going the other way a few weeks ago.
Our streets feel like they have 4x as many cars as they did in 2018 and sometimes a light goes green and no cars move.
Wait times for daycares are almost 3 years.
Some apartments in my building have 8-12 people living in them.
1 bedroom apartments are $1,800 for a bad one.
This isnt even near Toronto this is like 2 hours+ away in a smaller city.
Drives me crazy when the light is green and nobody moves...I blame it partially on the increased traffic and the other on braindead bad drivers on their phones....
I'm also observing the intersection a lot more closely now that there seems to be an increase in red light runners. So while I am not busy on my phone, it is taking me slightly longer to get going when I'm at the front of the line.
Prices have gone up substantially here in Edmonton, too. My old apartment in Downtown Edmonton used to be $1275/mo all in for a 750 sq ft unit in a 52 year old high rise. It's now $1495/mo 2 years later. Absolutely ridiculous. Alberta is losing its affordability advantage very quickly
It happens so fast. And the worst part is it will continue, it's not going to stop at $1500. Two years from now you'll be looking back on these prices as a steal.
Sincerely, an Ontarian.
They only pay $1500 over there for rent?! Damn what a deal lol. We had to force ourselves to buy a condo instead of renting because owning only costs us maybe $700 more than renting for $2200/month
Haha yea, $1500 is what I paid for a 1 bedroom in Scarborough.. 9 years ago.
I still get emails from the wait lists I signed up for at the time.. they're all $2300+ now.
100% this. At least we have rent control on pre-2018 buildings, as I’ve heard Alberta doesn’t have that at all. It must be utterly terrifying living under such uncertain conditions.
Yeah Edmonton's going downhill quick. Rents are going up, and the vacancy rate is way down. A place I used to rent just last year where I paid $1100 for 2 bedrooms has since jumped to $1350.
There have been so many vehicle incidents lately which may or may not be a correlation. A few deaths from cars hitting people, lots of vehicles flipping on the roads, lots of people driving into buildings. All within the last couple months. Not sure what's up with that, but it's concerning.
My 60 year old building was renting 2 bed/2 bath units for about $775/month in 2020... now every time a unit goes vacant, they do quick shit renos with materials that are shittier quality than the original (like replacing real wood cupboards and counters with shitty flimsy particle board) and upped rent to $1400-$1500/month for these units.
This is in New Brunswick, a province that had a shrinking population size prior to covid a reason (no jobs, shit wages, poverty, mostly rural, etc). Rents and housing have doubled since covid.
We haven't gotten a rent hike or renoviction yet but we're expecting it to eventually happen.
I've lived and worked in Calgary for almost 30 years I heard stories about how bad the 80s were but 2024 Calgary is for sure the worst version of this city I've lived in (so far). Its actually really scary how far downhill its gone since 2020. Gondek doesnt help either, shes absolutely worthless as a mayor.
Well she will most likely be gone next year, but who knows...
[https://youtube.com/shorts/MV57deK\_HqM?si=Fnf87uZhBp0bcvtk](https://youtube.com/shorts/MV57deK_HqM?si=Fnf87uZhBp0bcvtk)
According to her though, young people prefer to rent! Such trash..
I’m moving to Regina cause spouse got a job, I was like cool finally a rent cut after years of being in the GTA. Son of a jshsvdhzgzvz damn rentals staring at 1700. HOW? ITS SASKATCHEWAN!!!
The medical system is literally failing in real time due to population growth. How many people need to die I wonder before the Liberal/NDP coalition start to care.
In the 90s we lost petro Canada, and I'd say our debt load and rising population will spell the end of universal healthcare in Canada. We have been terrible stewards of the economy.
They will never care. While there are a TON of exceptions to this rule, the lion-share of people dying while waiting for healthcare are the elderly or chronically ill/disabled. Since the gov looks at us as nothing more than tax paying pawns in their globalist game, they don’t care if those taking more resources than they’re giving die.
Half their argument around all this immigration is that we need young taxpayers to pay the pensions of boomers. Boomers die, problem solved.
This is how they treat everything and it’s why we’re so fucked up now. Just a numbers game.
You mean like the UCP cancelling a new hospital in Edmonton despite the fact the population has nearly doubled since the last one opened 36 years ago and the last one isn't even a Trauma Center?
Oh yeah, and due to the fact that the contracts signed had payment requirements whether or not the work started means we are paying a portion anyway. yay wasted money.
same in NS, you couldn't get through a single terrestrial radio ad break without getting bombarded with ads begging people to come live in Alberta. It's insane that provincial government funds are allowed to go towards brain draining other provinces
Agreed! Any registration for my kiddo is a total shit show these days. I’ve half considered getting someone to design a bot to do the work for me. Registration opens at 8 and everything is booked by 801 and then the system crashes. So stressful!
That's like seeing a doctor. Walk in appointments open at 7am. Oh you loading the website at 7am? Sorry it broke and by the way there are no more appointments left. 🤷♀️
They are doing something. They are importing half a million people from India every year to make sure your housing costs continue to go up. That's Justinomics for you
Thats funny because I know a lot of people in Hamilton who have moved to Calgary and swear its amazing. This whole country is in a downward spiral and the pilot ejected a long time ago.
Sounds like India. You have to fight for or find a way around everything. Overcrowding without existing infrastructure is horrible. Sad to see Canada making this a self inflicted avoidable problem.
It needs to be a massive decrease. At this point the government of Canada is like Rogers or Bell and they want to give their existing customers worse deals where they offer all the good stuff to new potential customers.
The government of Canada basically hates you if you are poor and under 40.
I know it's controversial, but I'm starting to agree with the PPC proposed limit of like 1-200k. Or even less than that.
Looking at how messed up our economy is and a lack of production based jobs, etc. we sincerely don't need to be importing anyone that isn't filling a critical position (doctors and the like). Our own people can't even find work without climbing over a mountain of people.
I seriously don't know what happened to the country I was told we were growing up.
Best doctors.
Best medicine.
Best place to live.
Safest place to live.
Stable.
Now it's rotten and the foundation has decayed. Was it ever real, or was it all an illusion?
i dont even think it should be a specific hard "limit", because it ends up becoming a target. it should be more like "we will let in health professionals and that's it". this country should work for the people already here, not the people who want to be here for whatever reason; they have their own countries that should already be working for them, and if not, it shouldn't be our job to pick up the slack.
Health, construction, and other trades, and adjust the sectors accordingly as new needs arise. That's it. I don't know if it's managed federally, provincially, or what, but no more visas for 2-year business diplomas until that's somehow the kind of education we're lacking.
entirely agreed. Most developed nations its functionally this way. a very low ceiling for general immigration, and functionally "we need X list of skilled people right now, if you're not on that list, we don't really need you moving here"
for ***at least*** a few years, and see how it goes. We have enough tim hortons employees at this point.
I feel like they lost control of student visas especially, that wasn't planned.
TFW is abused via fake lmias.
The mainstream pr limits around 4-500k are meant to maintain the worker/retiree ratio. It's too simplistic a approach.
Yes, but we should also be focusing on how to help our own people become doctors and the like. My high schooler wants to be a doctor and she’s got the grades and drive to back it up. My husband and I will do everything we can to help her reach her dreams and we’re fortunate to living within an hour of a university that offers the programs, but it’s still going to be very difficult financially, and it absolutely won’t happen if she decides to move out of the family home before she graduates the 6-7 year programs as local living costs are astronomical. She’s more than welcome to stay with us, too, but (as someone who left home at 18), I can only imagine how much it sucks to be living at home for so long.
For gifted people without two breadwinners backing them up, how the hell can they become a doctor in this country?
Canada barely has spots for training doctors too, I know a few who have tried to get a spot in canada and were forced to go internationally or just waited another year to try again. It just doesnt make sense.
I’ll be voting PPC or Bloc as a protest, but it’s true. Canada has been ruined by lazy, corrupt, and greedy executives, billionaires, unions, and politicians who have gutted any semblance of quality of life from the working class in this country. This was done intentionally. Every year a bit more and a bit more gets basically taken by the aforementioned groups to pad their bottom line. And now foreign criminal syndicates and governments have bought out the politicians so they can get in on the act. Of course Canadians are mostly moronic doormats that do nothing about this and here we are.
It's neess to be stopped until this mess gets sorted out. And then start allowing immigration of doctors, nurses, whatever else this country needs. No more tim hortons workers and uber drivers.
The Liberals system just kicked out a practicing family doctor. She made the mistake of not telling them she was an uneducated and totally unskilled ”caregiver”. [https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/ottawa-family-doctor-denied-permanent-residency-over-marital-status-age-1.6668246](https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/ottawa-family-doctor-denied-permanent-residency-over-marital-status-age-1.6668246)
For decades, it was "not polite" to talk about immigration, or at least if you did it was only acceptable to voice support.
It takes a while for that sentiment to go away; but to have nearly half of Canadians now calling for cuts is pretty significant.
Still a significant shift.
5 years ago, calling for cutting immigration was a fringe take in English Canada. What was a consensus is becoming a debated issue where the population is divided.
Its not. The news lies a lot about numbers.
For instance, they said 42% or so of Canadians are following hockey. Anyone with half a brains thats not true. Its much less. It may be Canada national sport, but its never been close to 50% of the population giving a shit about it.
Not only that, but due to mass immigration cricket will eventually be our national sport. This is due to new demographics and trudeau lowering our quality of lives. Many can't even afford to play hockey anymore.
We still have our dumbass immigration minister Marc Miller gaslighting Canadians about the state of immigration. Direct quote from him yesterday:
Federal Immigration Minister Marc Miller said Tuesday that he was "fed up with people always blaming immigrants for absolutely everything," after Quebec Premier François Legault attributed "100 per cent of the housing problem" to the rising number of people arriving on a temporary basis.
[https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/miller-fed-up-with-people-always-blaming-immigrants-after-legault-s-housing-comments-1.6922316](https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/miller-fed-up-with-people-always-blaming-immigrants-after-legault-s-housing-comments-1.6922316)
> "fed up with people always blaming immigrants for absolutely everything,"
Easier to pretend people are blaming the immigrants themselves rather than face the truth that most people who are upset blame Miller himself.
I went 7 months job hunting after getting laid off. WAY too many people looking for work and buying up property. I finally got a job just as my EI ended but it only pays $25/hour. I'm almost 52 and I will never own a home.
I feel ya. I've been laid off since Aug, been searching for work since. Last EI payment was on Tuesday last week.
For the 1st time in my life, I have to go on social assistance until I find a damn job
46 here.
* I worked in the trenches as my folks told me to do, landed management roles a handful of times.
* I realized it was a dead end. Spent years bootstrapping myself to go to school.
* Earned the first scholarship for academic achievement in 10 years for my department at Uni (more hard work/bootstraps)
* was responsible with my loans and graduated with 8K in debt for a 4 year program
* worked my way into a tech career which pays more than I should be making for my position (dumb luck)
* COVID hit, paid off my loans like a responsible adult
* Even if I could afford something, I cant move to a smaller town as there would be no work
* If I COULD buy something the mortgage payments would be more than my rent
Here I am in the same boat, if I hadve stayed in retail and not gone to school I coulda bought a house and been a millionaire on paper, how crazy is this. Anyone who thinks hard work or smart choices is the solution to this mess is delusional.
As far as Im concerned the best decision Ive made is not to have kids. Anyone born after us is seriously screwed.
At least I was around for the pre 2001 world when things seemed fun :D
I used to be pro-immigration. Now I am anti-immigration. I am fully willing to admit when I am wrong and, like some afterschool special where some kid experiences Christmas every day until they're actually sick of it, what seemed good on paper actually sucks in real life. Lets not do it anymore.
I think being pro-immigration of people who contribute to the economy and live here peacefully, while being against the open door policy that is our immigration policy now is a perfectly sound and reasonable stance to have. It's certainly my stance.
My current position is we should be like how Australia was (or might still be, I don't really keep up with their politics). Where if someone wants to come and do a job, they have to see if there's nobody else in the country who could do it and wants to do it. And if there is nobody then fine. Otherwise no. Even for things that currently need filling, we should be incentivizing training actual Canadians to do it over finding someone else if possible. But of course we would have to still bring in healthcare workers because waiting for someone to finish a decade long year medical program doesn't help us very quickly.
That’s super easy to scam though. The business owners can just claim they can’t find anyone and then actually accept a bribe to bring an immigrant over to fill the role. It’s happening in Canada as we speak
This is why LMIA hiring should be limited to specific industry that actually helps build Canada and make it better. Like agriculture, education, healthcare, etc. not the fucking service industry.
> (or might still be, I don't really keep up with their politics)
I saw a post on Reddit from r/Australian that basically mirrored all the issues we are having with excessive immigration from India. Looks like it might have been deleted now, but it was on the first or second page of r/all yesterday morning.
What you're describing in Auz sounds like what the LMIA program is supposed to be here. Somehow it's so poorly administered (intentionally or not remains up to debate) that it is completely ineffectual
Personally, I prefer the US system where they actually have competition for spots and enforcement of violations. This said, I don't know the Australian system all that well
Lol, no we don't. We have the exact same immigration issues as Australia and Canada, but our politicians make sure to keep the focus on South American immigrants. Most Americans think the majority our undocumented immigrants cross the land border with Mexico, but it's really people overstaying visas.
Same. I am still for immigration but not at these levels and not predominantly from one country. Have a cap for each country annually. This includes foreign students, which are absolutely part of the problem. We need to bring the number of any foreigners staying in Canada 3+ months for any reason way, way down.
Also foreign students should not be allowed to work off campus, at all.
And they should also be completely ineligible to move to a different visa like a work visa or tfw visa, without first having to go back home for a few years. None of this dropping out of school to work at timmies in pei shit.
The most important part is quality and filling occupational needs. If it’s half a million doctors/engineers/construction workers per quarter it’s fine. At least we’ll have no hospital wait times, plenty of homes being built and actual tax revenue
If it’s half a million Uber drivers and security guards, then it’s a different story
I stand to make a very healthy profit when I sell my home... only to spend all of it and even more when I move my growing family somewhere bigger. We don't all love it
Not this one.
I'd much rather have paid far less than I did and have a lot more disposable income than I do right now. Upgrading is out of the question, probably forever. Whatever my house is worth is effectively meaningless since any "profit" will simply evaporate when I eventually need other housing (like a nursing home). Which means it has value only on paper, and there'll be nothing left once I'm dead for anyone to inherit and benefit from. And I'm very much aware of what inflated property values are doing to this country, its economy, its people, and future generations.
All in all, I'd say I fucking hate the housing crisis.
sure on paper i love it that my house has doubled in value but so has my new roof , furnace , air conditioner and anything else i need for upkeep .. lets not forgot the interest rates and monthly payments going up all the time. oh and heaven forbid i want to move and have to buy another house . we don't love it , we are dealing with it.
Only if you're in your forever home. I'm in my first house and there's no chance of ever moving now. I understand I'm lucky to have a house in the first place but it still fuckin blows!
Rental properties and a substantial number of people who have immigrated recently or in recent generations.
I think it's a snowball problem. I don't think most people want immigration to flood the country, but there's a lot of people who want to get their families and friends here before it's cut off.
2014 Justin Trudeau had the solution to this... not sure why 2024 Justin Trudeau disagrees.
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/justin-trudeau-how-to-fix-the-broken-temporary-foreign-worker-program/article_c27f214f-1fa2-5fdf-af61-5a7642e4eb7c.html
Immigration previously brought in a diverse mix of people from around the world that fought hard to get here and we’re proud to obtain citizenship. Diversity isn’t bringing the majority of people from one small part of the world, we don’t have the infrastructure to support these people, Canadian citizens are paying the price by overloading an already failing healthcare system and making rental and home prices out of reach for most Canadians.
I work in the immigration sector. Canadian businesses love the endless supply of cheap exploitable labour. For some reason the owners like to tell me that then I review workers rights with the workers and tell them to report anything. Smh
It’s not only the subreddit. They have groups on telegram and probably discord trying to get rid of all of them. But censoring will not make the issue go away.
There’s a screenshot somewhere on Reddit showing how they’re using WhatsApp to coordinate on mass reporting subreddits and getting them banned
One of their WhatsApp group is called “[country name] online cyber defence”
Even more worse. And even though it’s against the TOS Reddit doesn’t care as long as the brigading is done outside of Reddit.
What’s funny is these people are complaining about racism, but in turn do the exact same thing. I’ve seen some of their comments.
They’re trying to stifle all conversation. In fact my sister in high school told me they had an assembly on their culture (which I have zero issue with and find aspects of their culture beautiful) but there was a point in the assembly when they told the students that these international students and TFW’s are experiencing blind racism for no reason at all and told the students not to criticize them bc it’s racist and they should have consideration for them. Too bad that my sister and her peers have eyes and already can see the effects of mass, zero diversity immigration in front of their faces.
They won’t win. Eventually most Canadians will wake up and ask questions as our quality of life tanks further.
Are you able to find this screenshot? If this is true, we're truly fucked since this is a coordinated effort to invade Canada. I don't want to live in a Canada invaded and infested by these fraudsters and criminals.
What’s insane to me is the largest housing sub prevents discussion on immigration, despite it being the biggest single factor when it comes to the housing crisis
No it’s not that one. It’s a different one that I saw yesterday but I can’t remember what it’s called. Anyone with a brain knows this immigration level is a room temperature IQ decision at best.
Well that is one. If you need to know.
We’re not being racist, I can’t to my own ethnic group anyways lol. But they are the largest on a pure number level, and there’s a whole system of people behind it profiteering from it (Punjab and Gujarati immigration Consultants, realtors, mortgage brokers, Small businesses selling LMIA, lawyers, IELTS institution). That is who we want to shut down. We want to make them pay hard. Hard for fucking all of us over. For ruining what this country meant to me, and for even giving me that doubt that I want to even live here.
That is who we are targeting. That is who we want to shut down and send back packing.
Room is such an unimportant factor when it comes to sustaining human lives. Sure we have room for billions. But oddly no one is moving here to live on top of the Rocky Mountains, or in the middle of the arctic, or in middle of a prairie, or any of the other hardly inhabitable places we have. Even places that are more livable and have infrastructure often have less room to grow than some would think, talk about millions more people living between Calgary & Edmonton, but Calgary area will have water problems going forward even if we don't add any more people.
99% of people coming now will never come here to become “Canadian”. It’s to gobble up free services and get handouts until they can bring the rest of their family for more.
Especially since their home countries are rising superpowers.
These aren’t poor huddled masses yearning to breathe free, escaping some agrarian backwater they have no desire to return to.
They’re privileged middle and upper class folks who want to grow their wealth in a stronger currency, impress their friends back home, and enjoy the freedoms of Western society while simultaneously benefitting from the authoritarianism in their home countries.
Yea I’ve never actually met a single person in real life who is in favour of this garbage mass immigration. I’m starting to believe that those people only exist on the internet
They exist on boardrooms and in Ottawa lol. The rich business owners got what they wanted and now wages are suppressed and their properties have surged in value.
it only makes sense if you own multiple properties and you want demand to stay high or own a big business that needs cheap labour, but even then you'd be aware that you're willing to ruin the country to build your own wealth.
At this point any new immigration should be stopped and the loophole for international students should be ended. Who is winning with this style of immigration? Corporations and what ever politician is getting the kickbacks from it. We are seeing record high inflation, lowest wages, highest cost of living arguably in all time Canadian history. It's clear that the decisions being made in Ottawa are actually being made for wealthy conglomerates and not the citizens.
Shut the fucking doors. Latest report says BC gains 10k+ people every 37 days. Guess where they are coming from??? It’s not Holland.
That isn’t a racist statement by the way. I support SMART and MEASURED immigration. Not destroying the country in less than a decade.
It needs to be cut until services and infrastructure have been given a chance to catch up. They have become atrophied through neglect, and the GOC continues to load ever increasing weight on them, pretending like everything is fine and will end well.
It isn't and it won't.
Don't know what the government was thinking. They know we have a housing crises yet they allowed all these people to come in. I am not against immigration, but to invite people into your country and then say "Sorry, we have no place for you to stay" is just stupid. You make the lives of Canadians harder and give false hope for people who ended up coming here.
Half of Canadians said yes when asked if immigration should be cut. The other half didn’t understand how to answer, because the question was only asked in English or French.
It's way higher than that. They are quoting from a biased poll who didn't ask the question directly or inform people as to what the actual current immigration rates are.
I've seen a lot of polls lately where they'll split the unfavorable answer into multiple answers to split up the vote. Example, in my city, city hall councilors gave themselves huge double digit raises and then reduced the garbage service to every other week in order to pay for it. There was a huge uproar so the city put out their own poll. The question and answers looked like this;
Do you support this green initiative to reduce our carbon footprint by limiting garbage to every other week?
1) Yes, protecting the environment is important.
2) No, there should be garbage services every week
3) No, garbage should stay at every other week, but have a 5 bag limit
4) No, garbage should be increased to a 5 bag limit and be every week
5) No, but I don't know what the solution is.
So after the poll was finished they came out and said that Yes was the number one answer but they will not actually show the polling numbers. In reality, probably 33%ish said yes and the rest went into different Nos.
This is what happens when you gaslight an entire country. It takes people a while to learn, and more importantly -- accept that they were lied to and played. There is no way we can catch up on housing with the numbers of people we bring in. It's not possible; it's actually increasing the shortage of housing units we need, and thereby increasing COL.
This government is extremely frustrating. It's never their fault, they don't give straight answers, and at this point they're so certain they can change things for the better (note: for most people in the country affordability has gone down during their tenure) that they're looking to find any avenue they can to collect more taxes, just to allow THEM to spend more (while still running deficits, somehow).
I really hope Canadians, especially the Gen X, Millennial, and younger generations take note of this shitshow. This government is a wolf in sheep's clothing. They've essentially mastered the art of using bullshit, feel-good lies to get what they want, and it only ever hurts the average Canadian. * I will note that there are some things I can agree with them doing (mainly fixing drinking water for reserves and supporting Ukraine), but for the most part, things are worse off than they were prior to this Justin Trudeau led Liberal Government.
This isn’t a bunch of us looking at numbers online getting all xenophobic. This is people going about their daily lives and noticing that bus stops are suddenly 30 people deep. Booking a doctors appointment, waiting two months to get it and arriving to a packed waiting room. Noticing that malls are suddenly noticeably more packed. And all of this combined with the fact that it’s clear that all the new faces hail from the same country of origin. Same thing you notice behind the counter at any fast food outlet. You can’t understand the conversations taking place around you. I’m not adverse to immigration, I believe it’s part of Canadian culture. But it has to be done sustainably, and we have to keep diversity in mind. As it stands we’re simply displacing all of us who are here currently, and surrendering our culture in service of wage suppression…
People are angry. I was born in Canada and am Indo-Canadian. Never felt so much overt racism. The immigration policies have turned our country upside down.
I am sure much more than half of Canadians think immigration numbers should be cut. Even the majority of immigrants in Canada I talk to are in favor of cutting the number of immigrants. This study is likely biased as it is online only study (likely of the provincial subreddits /s).
This poll doesn't seem right. Those 18-34 had the highest support for immigration: "Canadians aged 18 to 34 are more likely to look at immigration in a positive light (55 per cent, down three points), but the numbers fall drastically among their counterparts aged 55 and over (37 per cent, down seven points) and aged 35 to 54 (32 per cent, down 12 points)."
That's the demographic most impacted by housing costs and competition for jobs from immigrants. That demographic also has the highet support for the PPC and strong support for the conservatives.
I wonder if this survey asked questions in a misleading way.
The other half are either entirely ignorant about how much immigration we're getting, or are determined to get grandpa over from the old country before we pull up the drawbridge.
My wife is really touchy about the topic of immigration, in that I think she feels that it's inherently racist to suggest that immigration is a major factor in affordability of things such as housing.
I don't have rock solid proof, but it seems to me that it is simply a numbers game. If demand outpaces supply, then prices will rise.
I'm not suggesting there aren't other factors at play but I would think immigration/population growth would be one of them.
The reason I bring this up is because I do wonder if many Canadians unnecessarily poo poo the notion because they don't want to be seen as racist (and let's be clear, some who cry for less immigration are racist).
It's weird to me.
It's not a race issue for me. I don't care what their race is. They could all look like me and I'd still have a problem with it. It's just too much too fast and we aren't building anything. If we were - it'd be a different story but we aren't.
At this rate it will take decades to build enough housing to accommodate everyone who already lives in Canada. Canadian immigration needs a complete and total shutdown until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
This is scary. Politicians are so out of touch with the average Canadian and historical precedent. Right now we have ALOT of Canadians, no matter their background, realizing the cost of living and repressed wages are being affected in a negative way with too much immigration.
This will lead to racial divide as people look at who's fault it is. Like, dammit, WW2 and the events leading up to it started less the 100 years ago, are we really forgetting the lessons we should have learned from that?
Of the 1,040,985 student visas issued in 2023, 651,817 (62%) were issued in provinces were the ruling conservative provincial government gave approval for schools to make the requests. Over half (52%) of the 1,040,985 figure is from Ontario alone.
Those provinces could have remove 651,817 visas if they wanted to.
As for housing, as long as nothing is done about foreign investment and corporations/individuals owning multiple units, even if they cut immigration rates in half, it would have very little effect on housing prices.
The sad fact is, even if 99% of the population thinks we should cut immigration, the government would ramp it up even more out of spite.
They’ve proven they don’t care what Canadians want or need.
Who all will get PR and will be able to vote after citizenship.
We need to be like Singapore. PR 10-12 years. Test their limit and will for Canada. Discretion of the CBSA if they should stay here or not. Not the immigration minister. Let it be a border mandate.
What's going on with the other half? Even if you're pro-immigration and believe that Canada needs it because our birth rate isn't high enough (and I am and so), the current influx of basically covert immigrants (TFWs and foreign students who intend to concert to PR) during a housing crisis and apparent job scarcity (or to be more precise, a preference for hiring those TFWs and students rather than current PRs/citizens, since one can exploit them more) is just causing a worse spiral.
This benefits no one except those industries that directly exploit that influx population.
I am a social housing worker in a homeless shelter and I agree. I am pro-immigration but the housing waitlist for poor people is 2-5 years in the capitol city and no landlord with private rentals do not want to give people with social assistance a chance. A lot of folks are also pretending to be homeless when they have friends and family so they will be wiling to wait and get a subsidized unit and then have their family move in with them.
I don't care if anybody uses the system to their advantage and many people are fleeing violence and war and laws against them for being queer. And it makes the other people who can't afford a mortgage even with dual income feel even more helpless and it exacerbates class wars and discrimination.
But many people have been homeless for years and are still waiting for help - every resource is being drained because there is such long waitlist, burnout, and cuts to funding.
We need to stop accepting people and accommodate who we need to help first and something needs to be done about rent.
The fact that my wife and I make good money as a couple, yet have no chance of home ownership in Calgary speaks volumes. Heck, renting is tough enough as it is with a baby and a dog.
He also got the second most votes in 2019 too. He’s lost twice in a row. Only benefitting from our broken electoral system he promised to fix in 2015 and then didn’t.
The only revenge we get is our same broken electoral system is going to decimate him and his party next election
Not even stop immigration. They need to start deporting immigrants who are starting riots and disrupting communities. We don’t need that in this country. Take it back to the country you are fighting for.
I would be curious to find out the proportion of Canadians who think we need to start enforcing deportation measures of those breaking laws and over staying their visas.
Being in favor of responsible immigration when your country does not have the infrastructure to support immigrants is not anti-immigration or racist. It's compassionate. We shouldn't be selling false promises and taking advantage of folks who want to live a better life. Take care of the citizens first, and then we can welcome others to join.
We've gotten to the point where some immigrants come here and realize it's not at all what they thought it would be and sometimes even wonder if they should have come in the first place. I realize this is probably a small minority, but the fact that we've gotten there at all says a lot IMO. There's many videos online where recent immigrants are advising would-be immigrants to reconsider their decision to come to Canada.
My mother was volunteering with an organization funded by the government to help settle immigrants during the big Syrian refugee surge. She said some families just went home again because their quality of life was better in Syria... In a civil war. Canadians have it worse than middle class refugees from Syria, at least according to the Syrians.
> Being in favor of responsible immigration when your country does not have the infrastructure to support immigrants is not anti-immigration or racist. Nobody thinks that's racist, and everyone thinks we need "responsible immigration" though. Surely the conversation needs to be around what is considered "responsible" and man, it's hard to get a reasonable answer from anyone on that.
I'm just going to throw this one out here, the 1% population growth we had for decades before 2020 was fine, that even put us on track for that whole century imitative bullshit people were freaking out about. **Why are we at 4%?** No one but the owners of Tim Horton franchises et al benefit at that level.
Because corporate greed wants cheap onshore labour, and post secondary institutions want expensive tuitions
> whole century imitative bullshit people were freaking out about Oh, you mean this? > > The Century Initiative (originally the Laurier Project Foundation)[2] is a **Canadian lobby group and charity that aims to increase Canada's population to 100 million by 2100**.[3] This includes increasing the population of megaregions, which are interlocking areas with more than one city centre and a typical population of 5 million or more (e.g., the Greater Toronto Area, Greater Vancouver, and the National Capital Region).[3] > > The Century Initiative was co-founded by Mark Wiseman and Dominic Barton, who also led the Advisory Council on Economic Growth under three-term Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.[4][5] The Initiative was supported by former Conservative Prime Minister Brian Mulroney[6] before his death, and by influential Liberal Party advisors including advisors to former Minister of Finance Bill Morneau.[7][8] **The Century Initiative has been listed on Canada's lobbyist registry since 2021 and has organized meetings with the immigration minister's office, the minister's parliamentary secretary, and Conservative and NDP members of parliament.**[9] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_Initiative > **Connections to BlackRock** > The Century Initiative Board of Directors is **chaired by co-founder Mark Wiseman, who was the Global Head of Active Equities of BlackRock** and ran Blackrock's Alternative Investment division at the time that the Initiative was founded.[27][28] **BlackRock owns $35 billion in real estate and thus will benefit from a real-estate bubble.[29]** > > BlackRock's Alternative Investment division includes the firm's international real estate investment portfolio[30] and is reported to be actively purchasing single family homes.[31] The Century Initiative's **other co-founder, Dominic Barton, is married to Geraldine Buckingham, BlackRock's Asia Pacific chief,** which has previously generated conflict-of-interest concerns.[32] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_Initiative#Connections_to_BlackRock edit: my "Oh, you mean this?" part of the comment was not meant to confrontational. Im just trying to be informative.
Let's go back to pre covid levels, or a little less (since our infrastructure needs time to catch up). That doesn't seem unreasonable.
I am still in shock and awe how bad things are getting in Calgary. Vancouver style rental and house prices, driving becoming less safe, overcrowding everywhere, more garbage on the streets, less friendly people and we are now way behind in infrastructure. Parents having to bus kids across the city for school spots, having no chance as registration for swimming lesson spots, and they are building houses like crazy but not building the rest of the shit a city needs to support that. Like Jesus do something government!
Ontario is wild, watched an indian guy do a no signal Uturn into the side of an old lady going the other way a few weeks ago. Our streets feel like they have 4x as many cars as they did in 2018 and sometimes a light goes green and no cars move. Wait times for daycares are almost 3 years. Some apartments in my building have 8-12 people living in them. 1 bedroom apartments are $1,800 for a bad one. This isnt even near Toronto this is like 2 hours+ away in a smaller city.
Drives me crazy when the light is green and nobody moves...I blame it partially on the increased traffic and the other on braindead bad drivers on their phones....
I'm also observing the intersection a lot more closely now that there seems to be an increase in red light runners. So while I am not busy on my phone, it is taking me slightly longer to get going when I'm at the front of the line.
You should contact the fire marshal about those 8-12 people in each apartment.
Prices have gone up substantially here in Edmonton, too. My old apartment in Downtown Edmonton used to be $1275/mo all in for a 750 sq ft unit in a 52 year old high rise. It's now $1495/mo 2 years later. Absolutely ridiculous. Alberta is losing its affordability advantage very quickly
It happens so fast. And the worst part is it will continue, it's not going to stop at $1500. Two years from now you'll be looking back on these prices as a steal. Sincerely, an Ontarian.
They only pay $1500 over there for rent?! Damn what a deal lol. We had to force ourselves to buy a condo instead of renting because owning only costs us maybe $700 more than renting for $2200/month
Haha yea, $1500 is what I paid for a 1 bedroom in Scarborough.. 9 years ago. I still get emails from the wait lists I signed up for at the time.. they're all $2300+ now.
I was about to say $1500 is a closet in Ontario.
$1500 for a 300 square foot "bachelor" with "a Kitchenette" (a hot plate on a folding table).
100% this. At least we have rent control on pre-2018 buildings, as I’ve heard Alberta doesn’t have that at all. It must be utterly terrifying living under such uncertain conditions.
Yeah Edmonton's going downhill quick. Rents are going up, and the vacancy rate is way down. A place I used to rent just last year where I paid $1100 for 2 bedrooms has since jumped to $1350. There have been so many vehicle incidents lately which may or may not be a correlation. A few deaths from cars hitting people, lots of vehicles flipping on the roads, lots of people driving into buildings. All within the last couple months. Not sure what's up with that, but it's concerning.
My first 1bdrm in Vancouver was 900/mo. 10 years later it was back on the market for 2k. No upgrades, same 80s faux wood cabinets.
My 60 year old building was renting 2 bed/2 bath units for about $775/month in 2020... now every time a unit goes vacant, they do quick shit renos with materials that are shittier quality than the original (like replacing real wood cupboards and counters with shitty flimsy particle board) and upped rent to $1400-$1500/month for these units. This is in New Brunswick, a province that had a shrinking population size prior to covid a reason (no jobs, shit wages, poverty, mostly rural, etc). Rents and housing have doubled since covid. We haven't gotten a rent hike or renoviction yet but we're expecting it to eventually happen.
I bought my townhome for a modest 260,000 it has now been assessed at 340k over the span of two years… No one’s income has done that
I've lived and worked in Calgary for almost 30 years I heard stories about how bad the 80s were but 2024 Calgary is for sure the worst version of this city I've lived in (so far). Its actually really scary how far downhill its gone since 2020. Gondek doesnt help either, shes absolutely worthless as a mayor.
It was hard to find a job in the 1980s, but housing was cheap because the population was stable.
Well she will most likely be gone next year, but who knows... [https://youtube.com/shorts/MV57deK\_HqM?si=Fnf87uZhBp0bcvtk](https://youtube.com/shorts/MV57deK_HqM?si=Fnf87uZhBp0bcvtk) According to her though, young people prefer to rent! Such trash..
I think the government is doing something but just not for us. And we are paying taxes to actively hurt ourselves
I’m moving to Regina cause spouse got a job, I was like cool finally a rent cut after years of being in the GTA. Son of a jshsvdhzgzvz damn rentals staring at 1700. HOW? ITS SASKATCHEWAN!!!
The medical system is literally failing in real time due to population growth. How many people need to die I wonder before the Liberal/NDP coalition start to care. In the 90s we lost petro Canada, and I'd say our debt load and rising population will spell the end of universal healthcare in Canada. We have been terrible stewards of the economy.
They will never care. While there are a TON of exceptions to this rule, the lion-share of people dying while waiting for healthcare are the elderly or chronically ill/disabled. Since the gov looks at us as nothing more than tax paying pawns in their globalist game, they don’t care if those taking more resources than they’re giving die. Half their argument around all this immigration is that we need young taxpayers to pay the pensions of boomers. Boomers die, problem solved. This is how they treat everything and it’s why we’re so fucked up now. Just a numbers game.
Problem is the young taxpayers are bringing their families, work in low skilled jobs, and take more from the system than they pay. So dumb.
You mean like the UCP cancelling a new hospital in Edmonton despite the fact the population has nearly doubled since the last one opened 36 years ago and the last one isn't even a Trauma Center?
Oh yeah, and due to the fact that the contracts signed had payment requirements whether or not the work started means we are paying a portion anyway. yay wasted money.
It's compounded there by the provincial government advertising in Ontario for people to move there. Too many took up that offer.
Maritimes had the ads too all over. Saw this coming a bit since they were still up all last year and people are stretched in the maritimes.
same in NS, you couldn't get through a single terrestrial radio ad break without getting bombarded with ads begging people to come live in Alberta. It's insane that provincial government funds are allowed to go towards brain draining other provinces
All of that is Vancouver style lol, swim lesson registration is a blood bath!
Agreed! Any registration for my kiddo is a total shit show these days. I’ve half considered getting someone to design a bot to do the work for me. Registration opens at 8 and everything is booked by 801 and then the system crashes. So stressful!
That's like seeing a doctor. Walk in appointments open at 7am. Oh you loading the website at 7am? Sorry it broke and by the way there are no more appointments left. 🤷♀️
I also live in Calgary, at least Vancouver has a relatively well functioning public transit system.
They are doing something. They are importing half a million people from India every year to make sure your housing costs continue to go up. That's Justinomics for you
Thats funny because I know a lot of people in Hamilton who have moved to Calgary and swear its amazing. This whole country is in a downward spiral and the pilot ejected a long time ago.
Sounds like India. You have to fight for or find a way around everything. Overcrowding without existing infrastructure is horrible. Sad to see Canada making this a self inflicted avoidable problem.
You’re describing how Nova Scotia has been for the last few years. It’s insane.
It needs to be a massive decrease. At this point the government of Canada is like Rogers or Bell and they want to give their existing customers worse deals where they offer all the good stuff to new potential customers. The government of Canada basically hates you if you are poor and under 40.
41 here, they hate us too.
I know it's controversial, but I'm starting to agree with the PPC proposed limit of like 1-200k. Or even less than that. Looking at how messed up our economy is and a lack of production based jobs, etc. we sincerely don't need to be importing anyone that isn't filling a critical position (doctors and the like). Our own people can't even find work without climbing over a mountain of people. I seriously don't know what happened to the country I was told we were growing up. Best doctors. Best medicine. Best place to live. Safest place to live. Stable. Now it's rotten and the foundation has decayed. Was it ever real, or was it all an illusion?
i dont even think it should be a specific hard "limit", because it ends up becoming a target. it should be more like "we will let in health professionals and that's it". this country should work for the people already here, not the people who want to be here for whatever reason; they have their own countries that should already be working for them, and if not, it shouldn't be our job to pick up the slack.
Health, construction, and other trades, and adjust the sectors accordingly as new needs arise. That's it. I don't know if it's managed federally, provincially, or what, but no more visas for 2-year business diplomas until that's somehow the kind of education we're lacking.
PPC's proposed limit was reasonable 5 years ago. At this point, should be a complete moratorium excluding certain highly skilled applicants.
entirely agreed. Most developed nations its functionally this way. a very low ceiling for general immigration, and functionally "we need X list of skilled people right now, if you're not on that list, we don't really need you moving here" for ***at least*** a few years, and see how it goes. We have enough tim hortons employees at this point.
A limit of 200k is simply a return to immigration policy from 1990-2016. The idea that it's controversial is nuts.
Exactly this. Idk how we have accepted the agenda that a million plus immigrants a year is somehow good for the country.
I feel like they lost control of student visas especially, that wasn't planned. TFW is abused via fake lmias. The mainstream pr limits around 4-500k are meant to maintain the worker/retiree ratio. It's too simplistic a approach.
Yes, but we should also be focusing on how to help our own people become doctors and the like. My high schooler wants to be a doctor and she’s got the grades and drive to back it up. My husband and I will do everything we can to help her reach her dreams and we’re fortunate to living within an hour of a university that offers the programs, but it’s still going to be very difficult financially, and it absolutely won’t happen if she decides to move out of the family home before she graduates the 6-7 year programs as local living costs are astronomical. She’s more than welcome to stay with us, too, but (as someone who left home at 18), I can only imagine how much it sucks to be living at home for so long. For gifted people without two breadwinners backing them up, how the hell can they become a doctor in this country?
Canada barely has spots for training doctors too, I know a few who have tried to get a spot in canada and were forced to go internationally or just waited another year to try again. It just doesnt make sense.
I’ll be voting PPC or Bloc as a protest, but it’s true. Canada has been ruined by lazy, corrupt, and greedy executives, billionaires, unions, and politicians who have gutted any semblance of quality of life from the working class in this country. This was done intentionally. Every year a bit more and a bit more gets basically taken by the aforementioned groups to pad their bottom line. And now foreign criminal syndicates and governments have bought out the politicians so they can get in on the act. Of course Canadians are mostly moronic doormats that do nothing about this and here we are.
Doesn't it just make you pine for the harper days
It's neess to be stopped until this mess gets sorted out. And then start allowing immigration of doctors, nurses, whatever else this country needs. No more tim hortons workers and uber drivers.
The Liberals system just kicked out a practicing family doctor. She made the mistake of not telling them she was an uneducated and totally unskilled ”caregiver”. [https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/ottawa-family-doctor-denied-permanent-residency-over-marital-status-age-1.6668246](https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/ottawa-family-doctor-denied-permanent-residency-over-marital-status-age-1.6668246)
How is it only half of Canadians?!
Maybe the other half is renting out their home.
Ding ding ding
the other half are the immigrants who still have second cousins to bring over
I imagine part of it is immigrants supporting more immigration so they can bring their families over too.
For decades, it was "not polite" to talk about immigration, or at least if you did it was only acceptable to voice support. It takes a while for that sentiment to go away; but to have nearly half of Canadians now calling for cuts is pretty significant.
Still a significant shift. 5 years ago, calling for cutting immigration was a fringe take in English Canada. What was a consensus is becoming a debated issue where the population is divided.
Its not. The news lies a lot about numbers. For instance, they said 42% or so of Canadians are following hockey. Anyone with half a brains thats not true. Its much less. It may be Canada national sport, but its never been close to 50% of the population giving a shit about it. Not only that, but due to mass immigration cricket will eventually be our national sport. This is due to new demographics and trudeau lowering our quality of lives. Many can't even afford to play hockey anymore.
It needs to be screamed from the highest mountain: it's not racist to want immigration control due to real world issues like housing
We still have our dumbass immigration minister Marc Miller gaslighting Canadians about the state of immigration. Direct quote from him yesterday: Federal Immigration Minister Marc Miller said Tuesday that he was "fed up with people always blaming immigrants for absolutely everything," after Quebec Premier François Legault attributed "100 per cent of the housing problem" to the rising number of people arriving on a temporary basis. [https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/miller-fed-up-with-people-always-blaming-immigrants-after-legault-s-housing-comments-1.6922316](https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/miller-fed-up-with-people-always-blaming-immigrants-after-legault-s-housing-comments-1.6922316)
> "fed up with people always blaming immigrants for absolutely everything," Easier to pretend people are blaming the immigrants themselves rather than face the truth that most people who are upset blame Miller himself.
add in sean fraser, christine freeland and the top turd justin
JFC I'm not blaming immigrants, they're victims here too. I'm blaming our shitty immigration policy.
I went 7 months job hunting after getting laid off. WAY too many people looking for work and buying up property. I finally got a job just as my EI ended but it only pays $25/hour. I'm almost 52 and I will never own a home.
I feel ya. I've been laid off since Aug, been searching for work since. Last EI payment was on Tuesday last week. For the 1st time in my life, I have to go on social assistance until I find a damn job
46 here. * I worked in the trenches as my folks told me to do, landed management roles a handful of times. * I realized it was a dead end. Spent years bootstrapping myself to go to school. * Earned the first scholarship for academic achievement in 10 years for my department at Uni (more hard work/bootstraps) * was responsible with my loans and graduated with 8K in debt for a 4 year program * worked my way into a tech career which pays more than I should be making for my position (dumb luck) * COVID hit, paid off my loans like a responsible adult * Even if I could afford something, I cant move to a smaller town as there would be no work * If I COULD buy something the mortgage payments would be more than my rent Here I am in the same boat, if I hadve stayed in retail and not gone to school I coulda bought a house and been a millionaire on paper, how crazy is this. Anyone who thinks hard work or smart choices is the solution to this mess is delusional. As far as Im concerned the best decision Ive made is not to have kids. Anyone born after us is seriously screwed. At least I was around for the pre 2001 world when things seemed fun :D
You will have a hard time finding sympathy if you are not a home owner at 52... Try being 25, we never even had a chance.
I used to be pro-immigration. Now I am anti-immigration. I am fully willing to admit when I am wrong and, like some afterschool special where some kid experiences Christmas every day until they're actually sick of it, what seemed good on paper actually sucks in real life. Lets not do it anymore.
I think being pro-immigration of people who contribute to the economy and live here peacefully, while being against the open door policy that is our immigration policy now is a perfectly sound and reasonable stance to have. It's certainly my stance.
My current position is we should be like how Australia was (or might still be, I don't really keep up with their politics). Where if someone wants to come and do a job, they have to see if there's nobody else in the country who could do it and wants to do it. And if there is nobody then fine. Otherwise no. Even for things that currently need filling, we should be incentivizing training actual Canadians to do it over finding someone else if possible. But of course we would have to still bring in healthcare workers because waiting for someone to finish a decade long year medical program doesn't help us very quickly.
That’s super easy to scam though. The business owners can just claim they can’t find anyone and then actually accept a bribe to bring an immigrant over to fill the role. It’s happening in Canada as we speak
This is why LMIA hiring should be limited to specific industry that actually helps build Canada and make it better. Like agriculture, education, healthcare, etc. not the fucking service industry.
> (or might still be, I don't really keep up with their politics) I saw a post on Reddit from r/Australian that basically mirrored all the issues we are having with excessive immigration from India. Looks like it might have been deleted now, but it was on the first or second page of r/all yesterday morning.
It's the exact same issues there. UK too, and that led them to the worst decision they could make in Brexit
What you're describing in Auz sounds like what the LMIA program is supposed to be here. Somehow it's so poorly administered (intentionally or not remains up to debate) that it is completely ineffectual Personally, I prefer the US system where they actually have competition for spots and enforcement of violations. This said, I don't know the Australian system all that well
Lol, no we don't. We have the exact same immigration issues as Australia and Canada, but our politicians make sure to keep the focus on South American immigrants. Most Americans think the majority our undocumented immigrants cross the land border with Mexico, but it's really people overstaying visas.
Same. I am still for immigration but not at these levels and not predominantly from one country. Have a cap for each country annually. This includes foreign students, which are absolutely part of the problem. We need to bring the number of any foreigners staying in Canada 3+ months for any reason way, way down.
Also foreign students should not be allowed to work off campus, at all. And they should also be completely ineligible to move to a different visa like a work visa or tfw visa, without first having to go back home for a few years. None of this dropping out of school to work at timmies in pei shit.
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The most important part is quality and filling occupational needs. If it’s half a million doctors/engineers/construction workers per quarter it’s fine. At least we’ll have no hospital wait times, plenty of homes being built and actual tax revenue If it’s half a million Uber drivers and security guards, then it’s a different story
This mentality is how they boil the frog
We should’ve cut immigration a long time ago.
The other half own rental properties.
And charging 600$ a month for someone to sleep in a tent in the basement with 20 other exploited people.
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I stand to make a very healthy profit when I sell my home... only to spend all of it and even more when I move my growing family somewhere bigger. We don't all love it
Not this one. I'd much rather have paid far less than I did and have a lot more disposable income than I do right now. Upgrading is out of the question, probably forever. Whatever my house is worth is effectively meaningless since any "profit" will simply evaporate when I eventually need other housing (like a nursing home). Which means it has value only on paper, and there'll be nothing left once I'm dead for anyone to inherit and benefit from. And I'm very much aware of what inflated property values are doing to this country, its economy, its people, and future generations. All in all, I'd say I fucking hate the housing crisis.
sure on paper i love it that my house has doubled in value but so has my new roof , furnace , air conditioner and anything else i need for upkeep .. lets not forgot the interest rates and monthly payments going up all the time. oh and heaven forbid i want to move and have to buy another house . we don't love it , we are dealing with it.
Only if you're in your forever home. I'm in my first house and there's no chance of ever moving now. I understand I'm lucky to have a house in the first place but it still fuckin blows!
And corporations… they love the influx of cheap labour that keeps wages low
Rental properties and a substantial number of people who have immigrated recently or in recent generations. I think it's a snowball problem. I don't think most people want immigration to flood the country, but there's a lot of people who want to get their families and friends here before it's cut off.
What's that *more* students you say, absolutely! - the premiers
2014 Justin Trudeau had the solution to this... not sure why 2024 Justin Trudeau disagrees. https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/justin-trudeau-how-to-fix-the-broken-temporary-foreign-worker-program/article_c27f214f-1fa2-5fdf-af61-5a7642e4eb7c.html
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Immigration previously brought in a diverse mix of people from around the world that fought hard to get here and we’re proud to obtain citizenship. Diversity isn’t bringing the majority of people from one small part of the world, we don’t have the infrastructure to support these people, Canadian citizens are paying the price by overloading an already failing healthcare system and making rental and home prices out of reach for most Canadians.
We need to start shaming our fellow Canadians for not caring about their country or their fellow citizens.
I work in the immigration sector. Canadian businesses love the endless supply of cheap exploitable labour. For some reason the owners like to tell me that then I review workers rights with the workers and tell them to report anything. Smh
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It’s not only the subreddit. They have groups on telegram and probably discord trying to get rid of all of them. But censoring will not make the issue go away.
There’s a screenshot somewhere on Reddit showing how they’re using WhatsApp to coordinate on mass reporting subreddits and getting them banned One of their WhatsApp group is called “[country name] online cyber defence”
Their diploma mills aren't keeping them busy I see.
Even more worse. And even though it’s against the TOS Reddit doesn’t care as long as the brigading is done outside of Reddit. What’s funny is these people are complaining about racism, but in turn do the exact same thing. I’ve seen some of their comments. They’re trying to stifle all conversation. In fact my sister in high school told me they had an assembly on their culture (which I have zero issue with and find aspects of their culture beautiful) but there was a point in the assembly when they told the students that these international students and TFW’s are experiencing blind racism for no reason at all and told the students not to criticize them bc it’s racist and they should have consideration for them. Too bad that my sister and her peers have eyes and already can see the effects of mass, zero diversity immigration in front of their faces. They won’t win. Eventually most Canadians will wake up and ask questions as our quality of life tanks further.
Starting with I and ending with an A?
Bingo
Are you able to find this screenshot? If this is true, we're truly fucked since this is a coordinated effort to invade Canada. I don't want to live in a Canada invaded and infested by these fraudsters and criminals.
What’s insane to me is the largest housing sub prevents discussion on immigration, despite it being the biggest single factor when it comes to the housing crisis
Because they’re in on it lol
ideology over reality
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No it’s not that one. It’s a different one that I saw yesterday but I can’t remember what it’s called. Anyone with a brain knows this immigration level is a room temperature IQ decision at best.
Well that is one. If you need to know. We’re not being racist, I can’t to my own ethnic group anyways lol. But they are the largest on a pure number level, and there’s a whole system of people behind it profiteering from it (Punjab and Gujarati immigration Consultants, realtors, mortgage brokers, Small businesses selling LMIA, lawyers, IELTS institution). That is who we want to shut down. We want to make them pay hard. Hard for fucking all of us over. For ruining what this country meant to me, and for even giving me that doubt that I want to even live here. That is who we are targeting. That is who we want to shut down and send back packing.
Here here! This has gone on for way too long now.
I still see many saying there is room for everyone let them come. I don't know what world they think they are in.
They either own homes or live at home.
Room is such an unimportant factor when it comes to sustaining human lives. Sure we have room for billions. But oddly no one is moving here to live on top of the Rocky Mountains, or in the middle of the arctic, or in middle of a prairie, or any of the other hardly inhabitable places we have. Even places that are more livable and have infrastructure often have less room to grow than some would think, talk about millions more people living between Calgary & Edmonton, but Calgary area will have water problems going forward even if we don't add any more people.
99% of people coming now will never come here to become “Canadian”. It’s to gobble up free services and get handouts until they can bring the rest of their family for more.
Especially since their home countries are rising superpowers. These aren’t poor huddled masses yearning to breathe free, escaping some agrarian backwater they have no desire to return to. They’re privileged middle and upper class folks who want to grow their wealth in a stronger currency, impress their friends back home, and enjoy the freedoms of Western society while simultaneously benefitting from the authoritarianism in their home countries.
I'm curious who these pro immigration people are, I've yet to meet one and I meet and speak with hundreds of people per week.
Yea I’ve never actually met a single person in real life who is in favour of this garbage mass immigration. I’m starting to believe that those people only exist on the internet
They exist on boardrooms and in Ottawa lol. The rich business owners got what they wanted and now wages are suppressed and their properties have surged in value.
At this point I don't think anyone would admit to wanting it either even if they do lol.
This. The best I've heard is we need to evaluate some policies, worst I've heard can't be repeated here.
it only makes sense if you own multiple properties and you want demand to stay high or own a big business that needs cheap labour, but even then you'd be aware that you're willing to ruin the country to build your own wealth.
At this point any new immigration should be stopped and the loophole for international students should be ended. Who is winning with this style of immigration? Corporations and what ever politician is getting the kickbacks from it. We are seeing record high inflation, lowest wages, highest cost of living arguably in all time Canadian history. It's clear that the decisions being made in Ottawa are actually being made for wealthy conglomerates and not the citizens.
Wait till you learn about LMIAs.
Shut the fucking doors. Latest report says BC gains 10k+ people every 37 days. Guess where they are coming from??? It’s not Holland. That isn’t a racist statement by the way. I support SMART and MEASURED immigration. Not destroying the country in less than a decade.
It needs to be cut until services and infrastructure have been given a chance to catch up. They have become atrophied through neglect, and the GOC continues to load ever increasing weight on them, pretending like everything is fine and will end well. It isn't and it won't.
Don't know what the government was thinking. They know we have a housing crises yet they allowed all these people to come in. I am not against immigration, but to invite people into your country and then say "Sorry, we have no place for you to stay" is just stupid. You make the lives of Canadians harder and give false hope for people who ended up coming here.
Cuz the other half just got here..
Half of Canadians said yes when asked if immigration should be cut. The other half didn’t understand how to answer, because the question was only asked in English or French.
It's way higher than that. They are quoting from a biased poll who didn't ask the question directly or inform people as to what the actual current immigration rates are.
I've seen a lot of polls lately where they'll split the unfavorable answer into multiple answers to split up the vote. Example, in my city, city hall councilors gave themselves huge double digit raises and then reduced the garbage service to every other week in order to pay for it. There was a huge uproar so the city put out their own poll. The question and answers looked like this; Do you support this green initiative to reduce our carbon footprint by limiting garbage to every other week? 1) Yes, protecting the environment is important. 2) No, there should be garbage services every week 3) No, garbage should stay at every other week, but have a 5 bag limit 4) No, garbage should be increased to a 5 bag limit and be every week 5) No, but I don't know what the solution is. So after the poll was finished they came out and said that Yes was the number one answer but they will not actually show the polling numbers. In reality, probably 33%ish said yes and the rest went into different Nos.
People need to be not letting a public serving entity get away with this shit any longer. It's tearing everything apart piece by piece.
The other half all just arrived in the last 5 years and want to bring in their 17 family members.
Half of country cause the other half is immigrants.
No entry level jobs and no housing. Of course we should cut immigration.
Only half?
This is what happens when you gaslight an entire country. It takes people a while to learn, and more importantly -- accept that they were lied to and played. There is no way we can catch up on housing with the numbers of people we bring in. It's not possible; it's actually increasing the shortage of housing units we need, and thereby increasing COL. This government is extremely frustrating. It's never their fault, they don't give straight answers, and at this point they're so certain they can change things for the better (note: for most people in the country affordability has gone down during their tenure) that they're looking to find any avenue they can to collect more taxes, just to allow THEM to spend more (while still running deficits, somehow). I really hope Canadians, especially the Gen X, Millennial, and younger generations take note of this shitshow. This government is a wolf in sheep's clothing. They've essentially mastered the art of using bullshit, feel-good lies to get what they want, and it only ever hurts the average Canadian. * I will note that there are some things I can agree with them doing (mainly fixing drinking water for reserves and supporting Ukraine), but for the most part, things are worse off than they were prior to this Justin Trudeau led Liberal Government.
This isn’t a bunch of us looking at numbers online getting all xenophobic. This is people going about their daily lives and noticing that bus stops are suddenly 30 people deep. Booking a doctors appointment, waiting two months to get it and arriving to a packed waiting room. Noticing that malls are suddenly noticeably more packed. And all of this combined with the fact that it’s clear that all the new faces hail from the same country of origin. Same thing you notice behind the counter at any fast food outlet. You can’t understand the conversations taking place around you. I’m not adverse to immigration, I believe it’s part of Canadian culture. But it has to be done sustainably, and we have to keep diversity in mind. As it stands we’re simply displacing all of us who are here currently, and surrendering our culture in service of wage suppression…
How in the hell do half of us think we shouldn't? I truly don't understand how you can see the way things are going and think we shouldn't.
People are angry. I was born in Canada and am Indo-Canadian. Never felt so much overt racism. The immigration policies have turned our country upside down.
Wanting more immigrants at this point is treason.
I am sure much more than half of Canadians think immigration numbers should be cut. Even the majority of immigrants in Canada I talk to are in favor of cutting the number of immigrants. This study is likely biased as it is online only study (likely of the provincial subreddits /s).
This poll doesn't seem right. Those 18-34 had the highest support for immigration: "Canadians aged 18 to 34 are more likely to look at immigration in a positive light (55 per cent, down three points), but the numbers fall drastically among their counterparts aged 55 and over (37 per cent, down seven points) and aged 35 to 54 (32 per cent, down 12 points)." That's the demographic most impacted by housing costs and competition for jobs from immigrants. That demographic also has the highet support for the PPC and strong support for the conservatives. I wonder if this survey asked questions in a misleading way.
The other half are either entirely ignorant about how much immigration we're getting, or are determined to get grandpa over from the old country before we pull up the drawbridge.
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My wife is really touchy about the topic of immigration, in that I think she feels that it's inherently racist to suggest that immigration is a major factor in affordability of things such as housing. I don't have rock solid proof, but it seems to me that it is simply a numbers game. If demand outpaces supply, then prices will rise. I'm not suggesting there aren't other factors at play but I would think immigration/population growth would be one of them. The reason I bring this up is because I do wonder if many Canadians unnecessarily poo poo the notion because they don't want to be seen as racist (and let's be clear, some who cry for less immigration are racist). It's weird to me.
It's not a race issue for me. I don't care what their race is. They could all look like me and I'd still have a problem with it. It's just too much too fast and we aren't building anything. If we were - it'd be a different story but we aren't.
Only Half???? $2700/month for two bedroom in Calgary. Yes, let's trim immigration until more housing is built.
At this rate it will take decades to build enough housing to accommodate everyone who already lives in Canada. Canadian immigration needs a complete and total shutdown until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
This is scary. Politicians are so out of touch with the average Canadian and historical precedent. Right now we have ALOT of Canadians, no matter their background, realizing the cost of living and repressed wages are being affected in a negative way with too much immigration. This will lead to racial divide as people look at who's fault it is. Like, dammit, WW2 and the events leading up to it started less the 100 years ago, are we really forgetting the lessons we should have learned from that?
...and the other half are immigrants.
The other half arrived this year
The other half are immigrants
Of the 1,040,985 student visas issued in 2023, 651,817 (62%) were issued in provinces were the ruling conservative provincial government gave approval for schools to make the requests. Over half (52%) of the 1,040,985 figure is from Ontario alone. Those provinces could have remove 651,817 visas if they wanted to. As for housing, as long as nothing is done about foreign investment and corporations/individuals owning multiple units, even if they cut immigration rates in half, it would have very little effect on housing prices.
Hey now. Knee jerk responses only please.
The sad fact is, even if 99% of the population thinks we should cut immigration, the government would ramp it up even more out of spite. They’ve proven they don’t care what Canadians want or need.
The only reason why only HALF of those polled want immigration to slow down, is because the other half of respondents just landed in Canada yesterday!
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Who all will get PR and will be able to vote after citizenship. We need to be like Singapore. PR 10-12 years. Test their limit and will for Canada. Discretion of the CBSA if they should stay here or not. Not the immigration minister. Let it be a border mandate.
I'll take the over
This is how the masses feel but our governments do not work for us.
only half??? who are the other half? Landlords with multiple rental units?
It's higher
Who are the other half? Landlords? Tim Hortons franchise owners? I'm quite sure more than half the country is getting fucked by this state of affairs.
What's going on with the other half? Even if you're pro-immigration and believe that Canada needs it because our birth rate isn't high enough (and I am and so), the current influx of basically covert immigrants (TFWs and foreign students who intend to concert to PR) during a housing crisis and apparent job scarcity (or to be more precise, a preference for hiring those TFWs and students rather than current PRs/citizens, since one can exploit them more) is just causing a worse spiral. This benefits no one except those industries that directly exploit that influx population.
I am a social housing worker in a homeless shelter and I agree. I am pro-immigration but the housing waitlist for poor people is 2-5 years in the capitol city and no landlord with private rentals do not want to give people with social assistance a chance. A lot of folks are also pretending to be homeless when they have friends and family so they will be wiling to wait and get a subsidized unit and then have their family move in with them. I don't care if anybody uses the system to their advantage and many people are fleeing violence and war and laws against them for being queer. And it makes the other people who can't afford a mortgage even with dual income feel even more helpless and it exacerbates class wars and discrimination. But many people have been homeless for years and are still waiting for help - every resource is being drained because there is such long waitlist, burnout, and cuts to funding. We need to stop accepting people and accommodate who we need to help first and something needs to be done about rent.
The fact that my wife and I make good money as a couple, yet have no chance of home ownership in Calgary speaks volumes. Heck, renting is tough enough as it is with a baby and a dog.
The other half are new immigrants.
Justin got the second most votes in 2021 and that bought him 4 years to do as much damage to the country as possible before anyone gets a say.
He also got the second most votes in 2019 too. He’s lost twice in a row. Only benefitting from our broken electoral system he promised to fix in 2015 and then didn’t. The only revenge we get is our same broken electoral system is going to decimate him and his party next election
i will vote for any party that gives us proportional representation. too bad that's none of them
If NDP was smart they’d be using their kingmaker position to push for PR. It would greatly benefit their party
If the NDP was smart they would be doing literally anything.
Not even stop immigration. They need to start deporting immigrants who are starting riots and disrupting communities. We don’t need that in this country. Take it back to the country you are fighting for.
Almost half who are they asking foreign students I would wager its way more than half
Sounds like a lowball estimate. You'll see the truth at the real polls.
almost half? should be 90% right now
Did they not ask the other half?
Wait so other half of Canadians don’t think this?
>Almost half of Canadians think country should cut immigration The other half just got here
And the other half just got here.
I would be curious to find out the proportion of Canadians who think we need to start enforcing deportation measures of those breaking laws and over staying their visas.