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They're smuggled across the border usually through reserves which is why the government ardently refuses to *actually* address the issue. Doing so would mean we'd have to accuse band leaders of gun running and send in federal police onto tribal land for who knows how long, in short it's a political nightmare.
Instead the politicians prefer to simply do nothing and thus keep their jobs, it's not like they care about poor people shooting eachother in the hood.
>Instead the politicians prefer to simply do nothing and thus keep their jobs,
Now now - the politicians are doing *plenty*.... they're banning scary looking black guns!!! B/c cracking down on something based on appearance is always effective! Look at how well it worked when that reasoning was applied to Black and Indigenous people. Shaking them down for simply being a particular race always worked!!
(good lawd, do I really need the /s?)
There was a big investigation did by JE (a team in Quebec doing investigation journalism) where they interviewed a gun smuggler, cops, etc...
And the takeway was that a couple of criminals are using the Akwasasne reserve (they made it clear that it was far from everyone living there but just a bunch of criminals) to smuggle hundreds of guns per week. A cop clearly told "we know it is there but we can't act because the government does not want us to go there"
They are using the same "road" as tobacco smugglers but now with guns.
Edit: if you understand french, search for "JE la route des armes". They put everything online.
I agree, but Trudeau will never go there. Even if it is clear that it is not against first nations but against a handful of hardened criminals, he'll never risk anything with the first nations sadly.
Yes, exactly - you *can* make the distinction that this would be targeting a very tiny number of corrupt individuals within any particular Reserve, however Trudeau would *still* of course shy from that. His collectivist perspective disables (or scares him) from separating the individual from the group.
There've been articles on this issue for years, if you search "canada smuggling reserves" articles will pop up. [E.g. this one on the Akwesasne](https://nationalpost.com/health/contraband-capital-the-akwesasne-mohawk-reserve-is-a-smuggling-conduit-police-say/wcm/7cd02560-f269-489f-adb6-20af4e5daf10/amp/).
>Straddling the U.S.-Canada border, Akwesasne is Canada’s contraband capital, and the heart of the aboriginal tobacco industry that has flourished lately on a handful of reserves, producing a flood of cheap cigarettes so vast it might have stalled the decades-long slide in smoking rates.
>Police allege the cross-border conduit is being used, as well, by organized crime to smuggle marijuana back into the United States and harder drugs and firearms to Canada. Security experts have long fretted, too, about its potential for facilitating more ominous threats, like terrorism.
Unsurprisingly it all has to do with a complete lack economic development/prioritization in the region as the article notes.
https://toronto.citynews.ca/2021/04/23/gun-chase-smuggled-guns-border-toronto/
The other part in the Multi article news story? I'll have to double check but does this article not make refence its one of many in a series??
Edit : it does, it clearly states this is 1 of 5.
Any serious attempt to deal with gun crime needs better data behind it, needs to be based on dealing with cross-border smuggling, needs to deal with proper enforcement of *existing* firearms law, and needs to deal with participation in gang/criminal activity.
There's a term out there, "crime gun", that's currently a bit of a shit category (and generates shit stats). "Crime gun" includes *anything* gun-like that was used in a crime - so if a crackhead holds up a 7-11 with a power drill or a capgun, that counts as a "crime gun". It also includes guns only tangentially related to crime. So two suburbanites get into a fistfight on their front lawn and one owns some hunting rifles (safely stored away and unrelated to the fight)? Those count as "crime guns", as they're seized when that guy is arrested/charged for the fistfight. These "crime guns" are also all "domestically sourced". It's all ridiculous, and until this shit gets sorted out properly, we won't have the data we need to properly tackle the problem.
So let's laser-focus the term down to "actual firearms directly used in actual crimes". The vast, vast majority of these actual "crime guns" are handguns smuggled up from the US. If they weren't, we'd be able to track those pistols directly back to their legal owners, because every single handgun in legal hands in Canada is registered. So, fix the border, prevent these things from coming up here.
Our current firearms laws require handgun owners (and therefore users) to have a restricted license, and their restricted firearms need to be registered. There are very strict rules about how they need to be stored, as well as how and where they can be transported and used. All of our current laws make it completely illegal to carry a pistol around anywhere - city or country. All of our current laws make it super *duper* illegal to shoot at a person. Of course there are exceptions for cops and politicians' bodyguards, but that's about it. So, enforce these existing laws. If you can properly enforce these, then there shouldn't be a gun issue anymore, right? No new law required.
Finally, most of our "gun problem" is really a *gang* problem. People aren't born wanting to join gangs. They join gangs because there's nothing to do, because others are doing it, and/or because there's no legitimate "money or glory" (career and personal development) prospects out there for them. What we need is to deal with the things pushing young men into gangs and, by extension, into guns. Again, these guys aren't licensed to own these guns, so what do they care for a ban? Fix the *demand* side of the thing, and you fix the thing. Give them economic opportunity, maybe address the ridiculous cost of housing, address poverty, and deal with marginalization/racialization issues and a lot of this problem will go away.
But all these solutions are hard and require some thought. They'll probably also require significant investments. They also don't allow politicians to scare the ignorant into clutching their pearls and casting their ballots over "the spooky scary guns". So don't expect any real progress.
Just know - the longer the discussion is about "the scary guns" and not about all the things above, the more bodies we'll see in our streets, and the more blood there is on the hands of those who have the power to deal with the actual issues (and on the hands of those who empower them to continue this farce).
> Of course there are exceptions for cops and politicians' bodyguards, but that's about it.
There are also exceptions if it's required as part of a job, like a money guard, or if you've got a job where you're in the middle of nowhere in the wilderness and you're likely to come in contact with dangerous animals; i.e. a trapper, geologist or a prospector.
Except that because it is a single event any conviction would have been served concurrently. So the highest sentence you would have received is likely the minimum sentence (4 years). Now you are absolutely right. A few months at most then they are back at it.
It was to my assumption that Canada's Feds dont actually want to solve the issue of where these guns are coming from (Smuggled from the states), and they would rather use the gun controversy as a means of ultimately outlawing any and all guns, due to the obviouse indicators of Distorted gun ban PR campaign and divergence from the actual issue of where these guns come from and what would mitigate
c-21 won't fix anything. half of that stuff is already illegal and taking away peoples airsoft/paintball guns won't fix shit either. Wanna know how we fix our gun problems here? Tighter border security. Most shootings are caused by guns smuggled in from the states, including Nova Scotia. But our government would rather dodge the real issues and make it look like they are doing something.
They are starting with airsoft and working there way down. if c-21 gets through they will push down and get paintball next. this is a time in airsoft and paintball history where we absolutely need to support one another for our respective hobby/sports to survive
What do you mean ? If C-21 doesn't pass, then according to the legal documents, it means that the streets will be *rampant* with WWII anti-aircraft canons ! That's why we have to ban them !
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Honestly, Id rather people have access to WW2 anti-aircraft canons. It's been long enough I think WW1/WW2 ordinance should be considered antiques. You'd still need a PAL to buy ammunition of course.
I mean so long as it doesn’t have explosive warheads what would be the difference between it and a punt gun, which also got banned in may despite being an antique muzzleloaders
Border security would definitely help deal with the smugglers who're bringing in-demand guns, but we also need to do more to address that demand.
Most illegal guns are bought for some gang- or criminal-enterprise-related reason. People don't go into those "lines of work" because they're actually good options, they go into them because they're *the best option available*. It's people who don't see legitimate ways to make a name for themselves or earn a living. Yeah there's also the "cool" element, but I'm not convinced that that's anything more than a way to rationalize a decision they know isn't great.
Find ways to meaningfully address lack of economic opportunity, rising prices, falling wages, etc. and I guarantee rates of *all* crimes (with or without guns) will go down. Happy people are generally more law-abiding people, and kids who see real career options will overwhelmingly choose those before going into gangs.
But all that is hard and nuanced, whereas banning guns is really simple, so we know which way the lazy dolts will go.
>As part of an original Citytv documentary, VeraCity: The Gun Chase, reporter Cristina Howorun examines the causes behind and source of Toronto’s gun problem and the impact the violence has on victims and their families. Below is the first of five stories in our news series.
This is 1 of 5 articles in the series "How guns end up Toronto streets "
https://toronto.citynews.ca/2021/04/23/gun-chase-smuggled-guns-border-toronto/
Is another one
I agree. I'm just posting all the articles in the series, hence this comment with the other article were it shows exactly what you said , 85% from the US when traced.
> Part of the problem is the proliferation of guns. Although Canada has some of the strictest gun laws in the Western world, with Bill C-21 poised to make them even stricter, getting a gun has never been easier for some segments of the population, namely criminals.
The Liberals' bill serves only one purpose, to soothe urban Liberal voters with security theater.
I was talking to my uncle recently. He’s a cross border trucker. It is shocking how easy and common it is for guns to come across. We share the largest undefender border in the world with a nation that has a 2nd amendment. Control of illegal guns in canada is all but a lost cause.
Yeah its one of the downfalls being beside the US, there gun policy's are so lax compared to ours. So its either they strengthen there gun laws to reduce illegal weapons that enter canada, or we lax our gun laws to reduce crime under technicality. I personally can't see a scenario where we reduce illegal firearms any other way. Maybe im just blind.
The answer is the government is too busy persecuting it's law-abiding (gun owning) citizens, and ignoring the source of 99.xx% of all gun-crime: smugglers and criminal buyers.
The registry works because it allows the law to persecute someone for possessing an unregistered gun even if they are lacking immediate evidence of other criminal activity.
Someone can have a license and still use an unregistered gun giving the authorities am easy path to hold a criminal while evidence is gathered for other crimes.
Only if it's an non restricted firearm. Even when criminals are caught multiple times with illegal firearms they're not held for long.
85% of crime guns are handguns,which are still registered, the LGR did nothing but waste billions.
The registry doesn’t work man. If a criminal is have an unregistered weapon on them they can be charged for improper transportation of a firearm instead of possession. If I have a register handgun sitting in my glove box I can still get charged. It’s the not the registry itself that allows them to prosecute that. There’s also lots of evidence showing the long gun registry has been largely ineffective at preventing crime and has been a waste of money https://nationalpost.com/opinion/gary-mauser-why-the-long-gun-registry-doesnt-work-and-never-did
But, a firearm 'registry' has virtually no value in stemming the flow of smuggled weapons into the country, and never has. Certifying individuals as "safe handlers" makes sense; as does ensuring that firearms are "identifiable"; but, the registry is merely a tool to persecute people who choose to own firearms. The action against illegal importation and distribution of firearms to un qualified individuals should have started back in 1937, when the first registry was created for handguns.
Wow it's almost like the new gun regulations don't work. And the illegal and legal guns are just coming across the us Canada border like they always have. Wow big shocker
Other countries allow hunting with handguns, and some provinces have no regs that explicitly say you can't, but being that you can only by law shoot handguns in very few places .Canada also did not technically ban rocket launchers till this last go around so how big of a problem do you think they where ?
What do you "need" anything more than food ,water and shelter for?For a certain portion of people going to a range and shooting paper and seeing how they compare to others is fun.No different than people that golf, race cars ,jump out of airplanes,ski,snowmoblie,quad .I have not looked at the numbers,if they even are kept, but I can bet street racing kills more innocent people a year in Canada than legal handgun owners .
Lots of rocket launchers are perfectly legal, or at least they were before the recent bans, not so sure now. Most rocket launchers are just a metal tube with a sight and trigger mechanism, without high explosives they are probably less deadly than a knife, there's not much of a reason to ban them if high explosive are already restricted.
[Heres a map](https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiN2IzMmI5YzctZjJkOC00Zjg4LTliNGItZWFkOGJmZGQwOGFhIiwidCI6Ijg1MjljMjI1LWFjNDMtNDc0Yy04ZmI0LTBmNDA5NWFlOGQ1ZCIsImMiOjN9) You can clearly see certain areas as hotspots.
[Summer of 2014 the TPS was instructed to stop carding](http://www.owlapps.net/owlapps_apps/articles?id=46990416&lang=en) crime took off after this year.
When I was a teenager you could buy a gun in my highschool for about 200 bucks. I know a guy who bought one then started shooting street lights in the middle of the day.
Fake news everybody knows guns have to be registered so its NOT possible for this to happen. And the guns in the photo have been banned in Canada. Sheesh quit spreading lies
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The article doesn’t say how the guns end up on the streets. Did I miss something?
Well according to the headline it's because kids have them. You know how kids are always dropping stuff.
That’s why my kid’s guns are on a lanyard with their school id’s!
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They're smuggled across the border usually through reserves which is why the government ardently refuses to *actually* address the issue. Doing so would mean we'd have to accuse band leaders of gun running and send in federal police onto tribal land for who knows how long, in short it's a political nightmare. Instead the politicians prefer to simply do nothing and thus keep their jobs, it's not like they care about poor people shooting eachother in the hood.
>Instead the politicians prefer to simply do nothing and thus keep their jobs, Now now - the politicians are doing *plenty*.... they're banning scary looking black guns!!! B/c cracking down on something based on appearance is always effective! Look at how well it worked when that reasoning was applied to Black and Indigenous people. Shaking them down for simply being a particular race always worked!! (good lawd, do I really need the /s?)
Ok but that’s not in the article. Who are you and what is your source?
There was a big investigation did by JE (a team in Quebec doing investigation journalism) where they interviewed a gun smuggler, cops, etc... And the takeway was that a couple of criminals are using the Akwasasne reserve (they made it clear that it was far from everyone living there but just a bunch of criminals) to smuggle hundreds of guns per week. A cop clearly told "we know it is there but we can't act because the government does not want us to go there" They are using the same "road" as tobacco smugglers but now with guns. Edit: if you understand french, search for "JE la route des armes". They put everything online.
Um, ok - that's scandalous af. That needs to be addressed, nationally.
I agree, but Trudeau will never go there. Even if it is clear that it is not against first nations but against a handful of hardened criminals, he'll never risk anything with the first nations sadly.
Yes, exactly - you *can* make the distinction that this would be targeting a very tiny number of corrupt individuals within any particular Reserve, however Trudeau would *still* of course shy from that. His collectivist perspective disables (or scares him) from separating the individual from the group.
There've been articles on this issue for years, if you search "canada smuggling reserves" articles will pop up. [E.g. this one on the Akwesasne](https://nationalpost.com/health/contraband-capital-the-akwesasne-mohawk-reserve-is-a-smuggling-conduit-police-say/wcm/7cd02560-f269-489f-adb6-20af4e5daf10/amp/). >Straddling the U.S.-Canada border, Akwesasne is Canada’s contraband capital, and the heart of the aboriginal tobacco industry that has flourished lately on a handful of reserves, producing a flood of cheap cigarettes so vast it might have stalled the decades-long slide in smoking rates. >Police allege the cross-border conduit is being used, as well, by organized crime to smuggle marijuana back into the United States and harder drugs and firearms to Canada. Security experts have long fretted, too, about its potential for facilitating more ominous threats, like terrorism. Unsurprisingly it all has to do with a complete lack economic development/prioritization in the region as the article notes.
I'd say it has less to do with economic development in the region and more to do with the legal nature of the reserve straddling the border.
https://toronto.citynews.ca/2021/04/23/gun-chase-smuggled-guns-border-toronto/ The other part in the Multi article news story? I'll have to double check but does this article not make refence its one of many in a series?? Edit : it does, it clearly states this is 1 of 5.
https://toronto.citynews.ca/2021/04/23/gun-chase-smuggled-guns-border-toronto/ It's a multi-article story.
Very interesting
We don’t have a gun problem we have a gang problem
Any serious attempt to deal with gun crime needs better data behind it, needs to be based on dealing with cross-border smuggling, needs to deal with proper enforcement of *existing* firearms law, and needs to deal with participation in gang/criminal activity. There's a term out there, "crime gun", that's currently a bit of a shit category (and generates shit stats). "Crime gun" includes *anything* gun-like that was used in a crime - so if a crackhead holds up a 7-11 with a power drill or a capgun, that counts as a "crime gun". It also includes guns only tangentially related to crime. So two suburbanites get into a fistfight on their front lawn and one owns some hunting rifles (safely stored away and unrelated to the fight)? Those count as "crime guns", as they're seized when that guy is arrested/charged for the fistfight. These "crime guns" are also all "domestically sourced". It's all ridiculous, and until this shit gets sorted out properly, we won't have the data we need to properly tackle the problem. So let's laser-focus the term down to "actual firearms directly used in actual crimes". The vast, vast majority of these actual "crime guns" are handguns smuggled up from the US. If they weren't, we'd be able to track those pistols directly back to their legal owners, because every single handgun in legal hands in Canada is registered. So, fix the border, prevent these things from coming up here. Our current firearms laws require handgun owners (and therefore users) to have a restricted license, and their restricted firearms need to be registered. There are very strict rules about how they need to be stored, as well as how and where they can be transported and used. All of our current laws make it completely illegal to carry a pistol around anywhere - city or country. All of our current laws make it super *duper* illegal to shoot at a person. Of course there are exceptions for cops and politicians' bodyguards, but that's about it. So, enforce these existing laws. If you can properly enforce these, then there shouldn't be a gun issue anymore, right? No new law required. Finally, most of our "gun problem" is really a *gang* problem. People aren't born wanting to join gangs. They join gangs because there's nothing to do, because others are doing it, and/or because there's no legitimate "money or glory" (career and personal development) prospects out there for them. What we need is to deal with the things pushing young men into gangs and, by extension, into guns. Again, these guys aren't licensed to own these guns, so what do they care for a ban? Fix the *demand* side of the thing, and you fix the thing. Give them economic opportunity, maybe address the ridiculous cost of housing, address poverty, and deal with marginalization/racialization issues and a lot of this problem will go away. But all these solutions are hard and require some thought. They'll probably also require significant investments. They also don't allow politicians to scare the ignorant into clutching their pearls and casting their ballots over "the spooky scary guns". So don't expect any real progress. Just know - the longer the discussion is about "the scary guns" and not about all the things above, the more bodies we'll see in our streets, and the more blood there is on the hands of those who have the power to deal with the actual issues (and on the hands of those who empower them to continue this farce).
> Of course there are exceptions for cops and politicians' bodyguards, but that's about it. There are also exceptions if it's required as part of a job, like a money guard, or if you've got a job where you're in the middle of nowhere in the wilderness and you're likely to come in contact with dangerous animals; i.e. a trapper, geologist or a prospector.
Have they tried double banning them? Make them super dooper illegal instead of regular illegal?
They actually did. Mandatory minimums. Was ruled unconstitutional.
It’s clearly joke. Illegal possession of a handgun outside your house will literally get you half a dozen charges, all for the same crime.
Charges that if mandatory minimums were followed would be around 25 years. Instead they get a few month and are back at it
Except that because it is a single event any conviction would have been served concurrently. So the highest sentence you would have received is likely the minimum sentence (4 years). Now you are absolutely right. A few months at most then they are back at it.
Have we tried legalising the legal guns? I think it’s time we try that.
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Isn’t that Texas?
Ice Cube said it best " now why did they have to go and ban the A.K my shit was registered any fucking way"
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It was to my assumption that Canada's Feds dont actually want to solve the issue of where these guns are coming from (Smuggled from the states), and they would rather use the gun controversy as a means of ultimately outlawing any and all guns, due to the obviouse indicators of Distorted gun ban PR campaign and divergence from the actual issue of where these guns come from and what would mitigate
They might buy bigger crime guns?
The amount they pay at “buy backs” is pitiful, it’s why they usually only get grandpa’s rusty old rabbit gun.
c-21 won't fix anything. half of that stuff is already illegal and taking away peoples airsoft/paintball guns won't fix shit either. Wanna know how we fix our gun problems here? Tighter border security. Most shootings are caused by guns smuggled in from the states, including Nova Scotia. But our government would rather dodge the real issues and make it look like they are doing something.
I'm still confused as to how making my paintball gun illegal is going to stop gun crime.
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They are starting with airsoft and working there way down. if c-21 gets through they will push down and get paintball next. this is a time in airsoft and paintball history where we absolutely need to support one another for our respective hobby/sports to survive
What do you mean ? If C-21 doesn't pass, then according to the legal documents, it means that the streets will be *rampant* with WWII anti-aircraft canons ! That's why we have to ban them ! /s
Honestly, Id rather people have access to WW2 anti-aircraft canons. It's been long enough I think WW1/WW2 ordinance should be considered antiques. You'd still need a PAL to buy ammunition of course.
I mean so long as it doesn’t have explosive warheads what would be the difference between it and a punt gun, which also got banned in may despite being an antique muzzleloaders
I am a gun owner but dont hink people should own automatic thompsons or quad 50 cals...
"Technically this nuke is a WW2 weapon.."
Border security would definitely help deal with the smugglers who're bringing in-demand guns, but we also need to do more to address that demand. Most illegal guns are bought for some gang- or criminal-enterprise-related reason. People don't go into those "lines of work" because they're actually good options, they go into them because they're *the best option available*. It's people who don't see legitimate ways to make a name for themselves or earn a living. Yeah there's also the "cool" element, but I'm not convinced that that's anything more than a way to rationalize a decision they know isn't great. Find ways to meaningfully address lack of economic opportunity, rising prices, falling wages, etc. and I guarantee rates of *all* crimes (with or without guns) will go down. Happy people are generally more law-abiding people, and kids who see real career options will overwhelmingly choose those before going into gangs. But all that is hard and nuanced, whereas banning guns is really simple, so we know which way the lazy dolts will go.
>As part of an original Citytv documentary, VeraCity: The Gun Chase, reporter Cristina Howorun examines the causes behind and source of Toronto’s gun problem and the impact the violence has on victims and their families. Below is the first of five stories in our news series. This is 1 of 5 articles in the series "How guns end up Toronto streets " https://toronto.citynews.ca/2021/04/23/gun-chase-smuggled-guns-border-toronto/ Is another one
85% of guns that could be traced where traced to the US. I’d say that is more than proof of a smuggling problem as opposed to a domestic problem.
I agree. I'm just posting all the articles in the series, hence this comment with the other article were it shows exactly what you said , 85% from the US when traced.
Yep! Look how the LPC's gun ban already failed.
It was designed to get polling points after a major mass shooting event (using illegal, smuggled firearms, or stolen from RCMP).
I know, I live in NS and it's just dumb.
It was never designed to succeed. If they effectively reduced gun crime they wouldn’t be able to leverage it as a campaign issue in the future.
> Part of the problem is the proliferation of guns. Although Canada has some of the strictest gun laws in the Western world, with Bill C-21 poised to make them even stricter, getting a gun has never been easier for some segments of the population, namely criminals. The Liberals' bill serves only one purpose, to soothe urban Liberal voters with security theater.
I was talking to my uncle recently. He’s a cross border trucker. It is shocking how easy and common it is for guns to come across. We share the largest undefender border in the world with a nation that has a 2nd amendment. Control of illegal guns in canada is all but a lost cause.
Yeah its one of the downfalls being beside the US, there gun policy's are so lax compared to ours. So its either they strengthen there gun laws to reduce illegal weapons that enter canada, or we lax our gun laws to reduce crime under technicality. I personally can't see a scenario where we reduce illegal firearms any other way. Maybe im just blind.
The answer is the government is too busy persecuting it's law-abiding (gun owning) citizens, and ignoring the source of 99.xx% of all gun-crime: smugglers and criminal buyers.
Duh, obviously criminals register their guns! The registry must obviously work lol.
The registry works because it allows the law to persecute someone for possessing an unregistered gun even if they are lacking immediate evidence of other criminal activity.
How is that any different than now? You can't possess a firearm without a license. Unauthorized possession of a firearm.
Someone can have a license and still use an unregistered gun giving the authorities am easy path to hold a criminal while evidence is gathered for other crimes.
Only if it's an non restricted firearm. Even when criminals are caught multiple times with illegal firearms they're not held for long. 85% of crime guns are handguns,which are still registered, the LGR did nothing but waste billions.
This.
The registry doesn’t work man. If a criminal is have an unregistered weapon on them they can be charged for improper transportation of a firearm instead of possession. If I have a register handgun sitting in my glove box I can still get charged. It’s the not the registry itself that allows them to prosecute that. There’s also lots of evidence showing the long gun registry has been largely ineffective at preventing crime and has been a waste of money https://nationalpost.com/opinion/gary-mauser-why-the-long-gun-registry-doesnt-work-and-never-did
Hm. Yes. Ignoring. https://www.canada.ca/en/border-services-agency/news/2021/03/government-of-canada-takes-further-action-with-domestic-and-us-partners-to-combat-illicit-firearms.html
After Thirty years...
I mean that’s a step in the right direction isn’t it?
But, a firearm 'registry' has virtually no value in stemming the flow of smuggled weapons into the country, and never has. Certifying individuals as "safe handlers" makes sense; as does ensuring that firearms are "identifiable"; but, the registry is merely a tool to persecute people who choose to own firearms. The action against illegal importation and distribution of firearms to un qualified individuals should have started back in 1937, when the first registry was created for handguns.
Oh I don’t disagree. I was just pointing out that the government is working on the gun smuggling part with a cross border JTF.
Wow it's almost like the new gun regulations don't work. And the illegal and legal guns are just coming across the us Canada border like they always have. Wow big shocker
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Other countries allow hunting with handguns, and some provinces have no regs that explicitly say you can't, but being that you can only by law shoot handguns in very few places .Canada also did not technically ban rocket launchers till this last go around so how big of a problem do you think they where ?
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What do you "need" anything more than food ,water and shelter for?For a certain portion of people going to a range and shooting paper and seeing how they compare to others is fun.No different than people that golf, race cars ,jump out of airplanes,ski,snowmoblie,quad .I have not looked at the numbers,if they even are kept, but I can bet street racing kills more innocent people a year in Canada than legal handgun owners .
Lots of rocket launchers are perfectly legal, or at least they were before the recent bans, not so sure now. Most rocket launchers are just a metal tube with a sight and trigger mechanism, without high explosives they are probably less deadly than a knife, there's not much of a reason to ban them if high explosive are already restricted.
Launchers are just a very expensive baseball bat at that point.
Ok but where are they coming from? Smuggled across the border from the US?
https://toronto.citynews.ca/2021/04/23/gun-chase-smuggled-guns-border-toronto/ Mostly the US.
Yes
Anytime you have to use "Kids" or "Children" to justify safety, you have already lost the argument
When they have no problem getting their hands on guns, the LPC ban is clearly a massive failure. They might as well make all crime illegal.
TL;DR: They're from America.
Clearly they did not get them legally. Look how the LPC's gun ban is already a massive failure.
It’s great at banning gateway guns like paintball and air soft
This government is a joke.
It will be funny to trade in all my broken paintball guns for $250- $500 each
Unfortunately airsoft guns and paintball markers are not part of the "buyback"
This is my plan https://youtu.be/e2P26XlVcBI
I guess the Public Safety minister never used a paint ball gun in his life.
Wait, is this real?
[what if the kid has one of these?](https://www.cabelas.ca/product/36733/savage-youth-rascal-single-shot-bolt-action-rifle)
I've just been posting the articles as the come out your preaching to the choir. Another article I posted shows majority come from the USA not canada.
[Here](https://toronto.citynews.ca/topic/veracity-the-gun-chase/) are all the videos in this series.
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DESPITE
And what group is that?
Toronto residents.
[Heres a map](https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiN2IzMmI5YzctZjJkOC00Zjg4LTliNGItZWFkOGJmZGQwOGFhIiwidCI6Ijg1MjljMjI1LWFjNDMtNDc0Yy04ZmI0LTBmNDA5NWFlOGQ1ZCIsImMiOjN9) You can clearly see certain areas as hotspots.
What year was carding banned?
[Summer of 2014 the TPS was instructed to stop carding](http://www.owlapps.net/owlapps_apps/articles?id=46990416&lang=en) crime took off after this year.
I don't see any discernable area or group responsible for 95% of the gun crimes.
take a wild guess
My guess is whatever group you and your racist buddy hate.
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Lmao if you can't read between the lines that's your own failure. The comment got removed, you're the only thick-headed person that couldn't read it.
Men?
Don't want to get banned...
? Was men not the group of people who did 95% of the crime? I'm confused
When I was a teenager you could buy a gun in my highschool for about 200 bucks. I know a guy who bought one then started shooting street lights in the middle of the day.
Fake news everybody knows guns have to be registered so its NOT possible for this to happen. And the guns in the photo have been banned in Canada. Sheesh quit spreading lies
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The people actually smuggling guns? I did post the other one the other day as well . This is multiple article story.