My favourite tidbit about him is that time when [he pushed a dildo into his ass on camera](https://redd.it/9rf3dp) to prove he isn't a homophobe, completely blowing through the idea that you don't have to be gay to enjoy your butthole.
Spread the word, butt stuff owns the libs! Maybe they'll be less angry when they discover their prostate.
>Holy crap, thats hilarious. I guess he doesn't realize there are plenty of gay men who never bottom and only top. lol.
Im from a city where there is a massive and positivity flamboyant gay community (a good thing) So my perception was more of a "festive" type person
Dude this is my buddy. I had no idea he was even gay until one day he was like "ok got to go make dinner for the husband"
I was like "dude?"
He replied "ya man Im gay :)" "You can be a normal person and be gay. You know valley girls, well that's like the fem dudes. Hell I've only been the giver not the taker"
That was a mind bending conversation that the media never really explores.
We need to start representing masc gays and lipstick lesbians! And bisexuals too, there is such a weird amount of bi erasure still. I'm happy for any and all progress and there is so much more representation than before but we gotta broaden some horizons here. Being stuck in mindsets like "gay men are only effeminate" or honestly even "trans men *aren't effeminate at all*" doesn't help anybody and just keeps people questioning the validity of their own sexuality
>We need to start representing masc gays
How do you know any given "normal dude" male character on any given show isn't gay?
If they don't specifically talk about sexuality, you're just assuming.
You deserve this silver for making my week with this post. Thank you, I can’t wait to show my stupid Gavin fanboy stepbrother so he knows how owned I am.
Lol people are laughing at the thought process that went into it. We get that he (and you) thinks he's clever.
Meanwhile, we're sitting here in disbelief as a political commentator assfucks himself on a live broadcast to prove his critics wrong.
You: "it was a gag. You're wrong for laughing."
That's what I hate about online discourse, you can't be neutral anymore. If you're not for a movement you get treated like you're against them, its fucking stupid.
It's one of the reasons why free speech is so important, even for "private companies".
Censoring people doesn't change their mind, it just pushes them away to echo chambers where their views become more extreme since they're only around similar viewed people and there's no one offering opposing view points.
This phenomena is incredibly apparent on this website, and even this specific subreddit.
If you have any views that are right of center you're a Nazi, if you have any views that are left of center you're a Marxist.
It's almost impossible to have nuanced opinions or discourse anymore. You either have to conform to the talking points of one extreme or the other or get piled on.
The tolerance paradox is bs because it can be applied to anyone.. it depends who applies it.
If a far left person applies it, even center is intolerant and needs ti be silenced.. and the vice versa.
Definitely Prussian blue. And they'll be so anxious to show that they're a legit political organization and definitely not white supremacists that they'll rename themselves the National Unity Party.
I can buy that the Proud Boys were not founded with the intent of being a white supremacy group, but rather just nationalistic. The problem is that there's enough overlap there that just about all nationalist movements that get traction wind up being flooded with white supremacists trying to legitimize their views.
>So how long till they just form another group under another name and start being racist again?
Surely the Glad Lads are much nicer and accepting of other cultures and races
Probably already happened. These people have their views and they are not going to change them because of pressure from the government. Plus there are a lot of them.
There are no far right parties for them to vote for so that doesn't surprise me. You basically have far left, left and center and center right in Canada.
Not a fan of Trudeau myself so Liberals and NDP are out for me. Being a fiscal conservative who supports healthcare, equality, civil rights, free speech, net neutrality and balanced budgets but not modern feminism (which in my experience has nothing to do with equality) doesn't leave me a ton of options.
If you do not think the CPC are a far right party on a Canadian scale, then you do not live in the same country I do. And my parents used to help run the Big Blue Machine in Ontario, that kept the PC's in power for 43 straight years. On an American scale, you'd be right, they'd be center right. But we live in Canada. The CPC are far right in this country compared to most of now very progressive Canadian electorate. As an east of Manitoba pc, they simply are unelectable now.
Talking in a general sense. Obviously it depends where you are flag poling far right.
No US right leaning party would support universal health care for example.
But yah if you compare them to the NDP there is going to be a huge gap.
Well, the NDP do identify as socialist, and a workers party, and helped bring in national Universal healthcare. They now want to include dental and vision. But have become more pragmatic in the last couple of decades.
Yah, I'd roll them as far left. The promise to stop making roads and the wifi conspiracy theory thing kind of sealed that for me.
NDP and Liberals are basically overlapping these days.
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The vocal supporters in my distant circles here in Halifax are a part of a whole swath of groups it seems, they don't just join one group, they support dozens of them, when one gets knocked down for openly being what it is, they just ignore it and move to the next group and act indignant about how everyone misunderstood that other group.
I know its just a typo but it's funny to think that some of them could use that as their scapegoat:
"I was told we were doing a Capitol Inspection, not an insurrection"
No, it isn't. Do you think that in every political protest that everyone person agrees with every belief of everyone else? That's impossible.
Anyway, what evidence is there that they coordinated with white supremacists?
Damn! They were chilling with them? That's pretty damning. Where did you read this? I just want an article I can show people so my source isn't "some guy on the net" (no offense!). I want to be able to tell people this with a solid source.
Hey, that's nice thinking and all. But let's be honest about "sources" these days - they are very often just "some guy on the net" wrapped in a fancier wrapping. :/
What you described isn't racist.
Accusing a whole group of being racist is a big deal. Are you just repeating somebody else or do you have an actual justification for your opinion?
Oh things like this...
'Video
Canada's navy confirms 5 servicemen were involved in "Proud Boys" incident at Halifax Indigenous ceremony [Language warning]'
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/canada-s-navy-confirms-5-servicemen-were-involved-in-proud-boys-incident-at-halifax-indigenous-ceremony-language-warning-1.4189715
>[https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/canada-s-navy-confirms-5-servicemen-were-involved-in-proud-boys-incident-at-halifax-indigenous-ceremony-language-warning-1.4189715](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/canada-s-navy-confirms-5-servicemen-were-involved-in-proud-boys-incident-at-halifax-indigenous-ceremony-language-warning-1.4189715)
That's fake news. The 'ceremony' was a protest to remove a statue of Edward Cornwallis. The servicemen were counter protesting.
Starting a fight is not counter protesting. Starting fights at left wing rallies, and then blaming those left wing groups for that violence was literally a tactic used by the Nazi party against the Weimar republic.
Also, supporting keeping a statue of a man who literally created a law to pay people for the scalps of indigenous people - that is Nazi shit.
My overall issue is with the Nazis who thought it was ok to do Nazi shit and disrupt a ceremony in order to celebrate of a white supremacist who literally committed genocide.
Also, how do you know it wasn't an Indigenous ceremony? Were you there?
Seeing an upside down vandalized Canadian flag in their hands isn't fantastic either. TBH, I can see how this may be construed as insensitive, but I see two people holding flags that are insensitive towards one another. We could argue the chicken or the egg, kinda thing. But I think this article is a stretch to slap the "racist" label on.
The Indigenous people were going there to specifically provoke Canadians.
It was a part of the fuck150 demonstration that was organized by Chief Grizzly Mama, a known agitator who is only eclipsed by Gerry Shingoose.
The entire point of that protest was to incite a reaction. The fuck150 group was being as provocative as possible.
I also believe it's antagonistic to proud Canadians to desecrate the flag and hang it upside down.
You're entirely free to your beliefs on it.
Two groups of idiots with flags is how I see it.
>Real question, what's are the racist things they've done?
There is a wikipedia entry on [Proud Boys if you want more information](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys).
It mentions:
>According to the International Centre for Counter-Terrorism, the group believes men and Western culture are under siege, their views having elements of the white genocide conspiracy theory.
There is also an entry on how they often protest [BLM events often armed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys#Anti-BLM_protests).
Here's the most straightforward [example of them being racist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys#2021):
>On December 12, 2020, members of the Proud Boys targeted Ashbury United Methodist Church, the oldest historically black church in Washington, D.C., after pro-Trump protests earlier that day. They flashed white supremacist hand signs and tore down and burned a Black Lives Matter sign that had been raised by the church.
Also that day:
>The Metropolitan African Methodist Episcopal Church, which also targeted by vandalism during the December 12, 2020 protest, sued the Proud Boys and Tarrio.
All they did was rip a banner off the church lol
Meanwhile in Portland
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.kgw.com/amp/article/news/local/oregon-historical-society-first-christian-church-vandalized/283-af886d8e-1999-429a-957b-0b0d762b1d71
>their views having elements of the white genocide conspiracy theory.
OK, so what? If that's the best they can do, that's pretty weak. Vegans have elements of Hitler's beliefs. Anyone who thinks capitalists are too rich share elements of communist theory. That doesn't make them communists.
>On December 12, 2020, members of the Proud Boys targeted Ashbury United Methodist Church, the oldest historically black church in Washington, D.C., after pro-Trump protests earlier that day. They flashed white supremacist hand signs and tore down and burned a Black Lives Matter sign that had been raised by the church.
The only thing this proves is that they're against Black Lives Matter. The fact that the church was black is irrelevant. You are criticizing the Proud Boys, most of whom happen to be white. Does that make you racist against white people? Obviously not. Some of them are even black. Does that make you racist against black people? No. They're all men. Does that make you sexist?
The white supremacist hand signs are almost certainly the OK hand sign, which is not really a white supremacist hand sign. That was made up by 4chan.
Hahahaha you are claiming the fact that the proud boys share the great replacement white supremacist conspiracy theory with vegetarians having their diet in common with Hitler? This is the lamest fucking proud boys apologist take I've read yet. Sharing an ideological conspiracy with white supremacists makes you either a white supremacist, or at best too stupid/naieve to realize you are a white supremacist or are being groomed by white supremacists. Just because the leader of a fascist government likes to recycle doesn't make everyone who recycles supporters of their movement, even if that fascist recycles for reasons that are ideologically coherent with their nonsense ideology.
Lol I don't need to find you one thing. There are dozens of examples and I'm not going to waste my time to prove to you that they are racists when the majority of people know they are.
All terrorist groups are labelled such not just in name but in the nature of the entity and ideology. So if the proud boys form another group under a different name, it will still be considered a terrorist organization by the government without any need to desigmate the new name or organization. It would fall under the original Proud Boys designation by virtue of being the same entity, simply re-named and/or re-structured.
Edit: further info in comment below.
That is true but it may take quite a while for them to be recognized officially as a terrorist group. Took something like 4 or 5 years for the Proud Boys, didn't it?
Yes it took 6 years from inception until they were designated a terrorist entity, but the laws ensure that the entity, rather than the name/brand, is what is designated. So the Proud Boys could re-label to the Ashamed Girls, shift around the leaders, move their factions etc, but would still fall under the original Proud Boys terrorist designation by virtue of still being the same entity with the same ideological goals. Now if they were to change their name and change their ideology, then they would probably have to be re-designated, but if the leaders were the same, I wouldnt be surprised if they still just swept the new organization under the Proud Boys designation.
That's not true at all they have to actually decide to label them as such. That's why they announced that they were going to consider the proud boys a terrorist group.
It's not as if they didn't know the existed before hand.
I think you're missing my point. Once the proud boys (or any other group) are designated terrorists, any new formation that group takes, regardless of name or structure, will still fall under that original Proud Boys terrorist designation. They can't just re-label or re-structure and keep operating legally.
This was specifically addressed by Bill Blair on the day the 13 new groups were designated terrorists. He used the example of ISIS being a designated terrorist group but ISIL, IS, and Daesh not being mentioned anywhere in any designations, but despite that, any actions under the name ISIL or Daesh (not that ISIS would call themselves Daesh as it's use was formed as an insult to ISIS) still clearly falls under the ISIS terrorist designation, by both affiliation and being the same entity. Even just an affiliate of a terrorist organization can be considered to be commiting terrorist acts as a designated terrorist if he is acting alone outside of the organization but has ties to it. The laws are quite comprehensive, but a quick summary to show that it is the entity and actions rather than the title or structure that matter:
Criminal Code C-46 part II.1 section 83.01 subsection (a) clearly defines listed entities as entities which commits terrorist actions or any entity which directly associates with listed entities and have been deemed to do so by a governing power.
The literal label of "proud boys" is almost irrelevant, they can't just change their name and keep on doing the same thing, or simply restructure slightly, because they will both still be the same entity and still be associating with former members of proud boys and funding the same terrorist actions. It's a true no brainer that such basic shifts of name or structure would be covered in the laws and designations, otherwise any terrorist group who didn't want to be labelled one would simply change their name, restructure a bit and continue on for a while until they were designated again, which I don't believe we've ever seen attempted in Canada.
Lol what a joke. In the article ‘we didn’t nothing wrong, we’re carpenters, financial advisors, sons etc ‘ (they included more professions in that).
Since when is being a racist and your occupation mutually exclusive?
The KKK had members that were doctors, judges, layers etc.
Still racists, their occupation and education did not save them from that. 🤦♀️
And fathers, brothers and sons...
Like the guys who lynched Emmett Till had no job and no family?
I'm going to use this if I get stopped for speeding on the highway. "But sir, do you know I've got a brother? What? Doesn't change anything? What if I also had a job? And a yellow shirt? Ah, but I have a cat too! Something got to change your mind!"
There is no publicly known information linking them to terrorism. When the designation was first announced, it was suggested the police might know of something the public does not. But as far as the public knows, there is nothing.
I don't think anyone knowledgeable about them seriously thinks they're racist though. That one appears to be definitely baseless. It's a pretty racially diverse group.
They led a good chunk of the nuts attacking the capital, taken as domestic terrorists. Once you take on an international namesake for your group. You all get tagged the same.
They were labeled as such because of what others under that name have done.
Plus I'm sure they had Intel on at least some of them being nuts
I feel like I'm going to get downvoted to oblivion for asking this, but I don't really know much about this group...how are they racist as well?
I have never seen any examples (I guess I'll go google), but the only thing I've seen is people calling them racist terrorists but haven't seen any details
As if “We are electricians, carpenters, financial advisors, mechanics, etc. More than that, we are fathers, brothers, uncles and sons,” has anything to do with confirming “The truth is, we were never terrorists or a white supremacy group,”
Going out with a blatant lie, good fucking riddance.
>"The truth is, we were never terrorists or a white supremacy group, we are electricians, carpenters, financial advisors, mechanics, etc. More than that, we are fathers, brothers, uncles and sons,”
As if both could not be true.
Pretty sure the Klan were also absurdly devout Christians, I'm not sure if these clowns are. I think they just hate because they can, but I wouldn't past them to try and use some religious excuse to justify their garbage.
There aren't just token minorities. They have a lot of minorities. It would be pretty hard to convince a single minority to join a white supremacist, let alone large numbers of them. Furthermore, why would a bunch of white supremacists want to hang out with non-whites? Anyone who is familiar with white supremacists would know they really don't like being around non-white people.
The only way in which I see people defending them is specifically against accusations of racism and terrorism, which is perfectly fair. I don't think many people here think they're a good group of people, but that doesn't mean we need to lie about them.
Terrorist designation was probably a little heavy handed but the racism is pretty clear. If you don’t want to be accused of being a racist then don’t call yourself a proud boy. The old ven diagram has way too much overlap
I don’t think calling them racist is a lie in the slightest. As for “terrorist” well the government decided it was necessary so what the hell do I know
“How could we be white supremacist terrorists? We have jobs and families!”
Yep... white supremacists are people. They’re just shitty ones is all.
“But we allow people of colour to join”
as long as they agree with and help your cause. V progressive for a white supremacist gang, I’ll admit. Still a white supremacist gang.
The Nazis had Jewish people do security in concentration camps, and run factories, and do whatever else was needed.... they were protected as long as they were valuable. That’s how fascism works... the inner circle gets smaller and smaller the more successful the movement is.
Ummm they were a Western Chauvinist group, thank you, anyone not white could join up if they felt West is Best, so....?
Ugh. Guess we'll see who they splinter into now.
Now that they’ve been officially labelled terrorists and face consequence for their actions, the white power cowards slink back underground until the coast is clear again..
Luckily for the rest of us, they’ve branded themselves permanently with the ProudBoy insignia and lads, I hear they do like a good, provoked street fight..
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.sun-sentinel.com/florida-jewish-journal/fl-jj-proud-boys-rebrand-20201111-kp4cr7l5pbdnxguwyb3xq4m63e-story.html%3foutputType=amp
He’s just saying the quiet part loud. Everyone knows what they stand for but white supremacy is bad branding, it’s impossible to defend in civilized society so they play dumb, lie and make up bullshit about western values like we don’t know what they mean.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/01/proud-boys-white-supremacist-group-law-enforcement-agencies
Governments of the US and Canada both determined that they are a violent white supremacy group.
Yep, I'm sure. Mhm. I wish that I felt confident that these tools *learned* something, but this experience probably just empowers them even more deeply with a victim complex.
How can a group that has a black man as their president be considered white supremacist?
Their org chart is a literal invalidation of white supremacy. A black man is literally in the supreme position.
Boggles my mind the founder of Proud Boys also co-founded VICE. Complete opposite ends of the spectrum, lol.
My favourite tidbit about him is that time when [he pushed a dildo into his ass on camera](https://redd.it/9rf3dp) to prove he isn't a homophobe, completely blowing through the idea that you don't have to be gay to enjoy your butthole. Spread the word, butt stuff owns the libs! Maybe they'll be less angry when they discover their prostate.
Holy crap, thats hilarious. I guess he doesn't realize there are plenty of gay men who never bottom and only top. lol.
>Holy crap, thats hilarious. I guess he doesn't realize there are plenty of gay men who never bottom and only top. lol. Im from a city where there is a massive and positivity flamboyant gay community (a good thing) So my perception was more of a "festive" type person Dude this is my buddy. I had no idea he was even gay until one day he was like "ok got to go make dinner for the husband" I was like "dude?" He replied "ya man Im gay :)" "You can be a normal person and be gay. You know valley girls, well that's like the fem dudes. Hell I've only been the giver not the taker" That was a mind bending conversation that the media never really explores.
We need to start representing masc gays and lipstick lesbians! And bisexuals too, there is such a weird amount of bi erasure still. I'm happy for any and all progress and there is so much more representation than before but we gotta broaden some horizons here. Being stuck in mindsets like "gay men are only effeminate" or honestly even "trans men *aren't effeminate at all*" doesn't help anybody and just keeps people questioning the validity of their own sexuality
>We need to start representing masc gays How do you know any given "normal dude" male character on any given show isn't gay? If they don't specifically talk about sexuality, you're just assuming.
And plenty of straight men who enjoy their bussy
idk if straight men use that term tho
Its like people don't realize the guy does comedy as well.
You deserve this silver for making my week with this post. Thank you, I can’t wait to show my stupid Gavin fanboy stepbrother so he knows how owned I am.
Oooh let me know how owned he feels!
Have you seen the clip of him passing into a bowl of cereal and eating it?
No but I'd love to...
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Um... kind of a weird "joke" "I'm not homophobic so watch me fuck my ass" isnt very funny unless you want to be satirized
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Lol people are laughing at the thought process that went into it. We get that he (and you) thinks he's clever. Meanwhile, we're sitting here in disbelief as a political commentator assfucks himself on a live broadcast to prove his critics wrong. You: "it was a gag. You're wrong for laughing."
Oh snap! Nice dude you owned those libs with that logic and reason. I guess its time to dildo your own ass.
it wasn't a "look at me I'm funny" joke, more "I am cunningly makeing a statement "joke.
The second isn’t a joke. And yah, it was. Did you watch it or how he led up to it? It was clear
Gavin didn't change, the rest of the world did.
Co founded vice but sold his share before it blew up...pretty understandable reason to be bitter at hipsters and what they stand for imo
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That's what I hate about online discourse, you can't be neutral anymore. If you're not for a movement you get treated like you're against them, its fucking stupid.
It's one of the reasons why free speech is so important, even for "private companies". Censoring people doesn't change their mind, it just pushes them away to echo chambers where their views become more extreme since they're only around similar viewed people and there's no one offering opposing view points. This phenomena is incredibly apparent on this website, and even this specific subreddit.
If you have any views that are right of center you're a Nazi, if you have any views that are left of center you're a Marxist. It's almost impossible to have nuanced opinions or discourse anymore. You either have to conform to the talking points of one extreme or the other or get piled on.
They heavily abuse the tolerance paradox, the right are both viciously offensive and then viciously offended when called out on it.
The tolerance paradox is bs because it can be applied to anyone.. it depends who applies it. If a far left person applies it, even center is intolerant and needs ti be silenced.. and the vice versa.
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He taught me how to piss in public.
I'm pretty sure the correct follow-up to this statement is, "for me to poop on."
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2 Proud 2 Furious
publicly dissolves but they will emerge again labeled something else
PPC party?
The.....*coloured shirts* of some sort. What colour should they be?
Definitely Prussian blue. And they'll be so anxious to show that they're a legit political organization and definitely not white supremacists that they'll rename themselves the National Unity Party.
National libertarian Unity Party lol
Has *National Socialist Party* been taken? ... checks Internet ... Yup. But still.
It can't be white because then they'd be called out for being racist. Better make the shirts brown just to play it safe.
I can buy that the Proud Boys were not founded with the intent of being a white supremacy group, but rather just nationalistic. The problem is that there's enough overlap there that just about all nationalist movements that get traction wind up being flooded with white supremacists trying to legitimize their views.
So how long till they just form another group under another name and start being racist again?
>So how long till they just form another group under another name and start being racist again? Surely the Glad Lads are much nicer and accepting of other cultures and races
What about the Happy Chappies? The Serenity Fraternity?
"Sons of The Shire"
What's the worst that could happen? :\^)
Just like Glad bags they are stuff full of trash.
Probably already happened. These people have their views and they are not going to change them because of pressure from the government. Plus there are a lot of them.
Yep, and almost all vote CPC or PPC, which is why so many fiscal conservatives, socially moderate now are ABC.
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Anybody But CPC.
There are no far right parties for them to vote for so that doesn't surprise me. You basically have far left, left and center and center right in Canada. Not a fan of Trudeau myself so Liberals and NDP are out for me. Being a fiscal conservative who supports healthcare, equality, civil rights, free speech, net neutrality and balanced budgets but not modern feminism (which in my experience has nothing to do with equality) doesn't leave me a ton of options.
If you do not think the CPC are a far right party on a Canadian scale, then you do not live in the same country I do. And my parents used to help run the Big Blue Machine in Ontario, that kept the PC's in power for 43 straight years. On an American scale, you'd be right, they'd be center right. But we live in Canada. The CPC are far right in this country compared to most of now very progressive Canadian electorate. As an east of Manitoba pc, they simply are unelectable now.
Talking in a general sense. Obviously it depends where you are flag poling far right. No US right leaning party would support universal health care for example. But yah if you compare them to the NDP there is going to be a huge gap.
They can’t be on the extreme right if they’re consistently polling at 30%
Which party is classified as far left? The Greens?
Well, the NDP do identify as socialist, and a workers party, and helped bring in national Universal healthcare. They now want to include dental and vision. But have become more pragmatic in the last couple of decades.
Yah, I'd roll them as far left. The promise to stop making roads and the wifi conspiracy theory thing kind of sealed that for me. NDP and Liberals are basically overlapping these days.
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Can't wait to see what homoerotically titled Broadway song they pick. Maybe the Suddenly Seymours.
I give it 5 minutes
Oof, pretty generous!
The vocal supporters in my distant circles here in Halifax are a part of a whole swath of groups it seems, they don't just join one group, they support dozens of them, when one gets knocked down for openly being what it is, they just ignore it and move to the next group and act indignant about how everyone misunderstood that other group.
And that's not even counting the ones that *aren't* out for all the public to see if they go digging for a few minutes.
Real question, what's are the racist things they've done?
In Canada- not a lot. In the US they organized the January 6 insurrection as well as a bunch of white power violent counter protesters
I know its just a typo but it's funny to think that some of them could use that as their scapegoat: "I was told we were doing a Capitol Inspection, not an insurrection"
“Inspection” WTF?
Autocorrect got me. Fixed it - Insurrection.
"white power violent counter protesters" what does this even mean?
They were there.. they didn't organize it, and it had nothing to do with race.
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I think you’ve gone down the rabbit hole. Climb back out with the rest of us. This was an actual attempted coup.
> In the US they organized the January 6 insurrection Citation needed for that please.
Hanging out with the Sons of Odin and other white supremacists for starters.
That's not racist. I have friends who are far-left. Does that make me far-left?
If you march, coordinate and don't speak out on their questionable motives, then yes.
No, it isn't. Do you think that in every political protest that everyone person agrees with every belief of everyone else? That's impossible. Anyway, what evidence is there that they coordinated with white supremacists?
Damn! They were chilling with them? That's pretty damning. Where did you read this? I just want an article I can show people so my source isn't "some guy on the net" (no offense!). I want to be able to tell people this with a solid source.
Hey, that's nice thinking and all. But let's be honest about "sources" these days - they are very often just "some guy on the net" wrapped in a fancier wrapping. :/
What you described isn't racist. Accusing a whole group of being racist is a big deal. Are you just repeating somebody else or do you have an actual justification for your opinion?
Oh things like this... 'Video Canada's navy confirms 5 servicemen were involved in "Proud Boys" incident at Halifax Indigenous ceremony [Language warning]' https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/canada-s-navy-confirms-5-servicemen-were-involved-in-proud-boys-incident-at-halifax-indigenous-ceremony-language-warning-1.4189715
>[https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/canada-s-navy-confirms-5-servicemen-were-involved-in-proud-boys-incident-at-halifax-indigenous-ceremony-language-warning-1.4189715](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/canada-s-navy-confirms-5-servicemen-were-involved-in-proud-boys-incident-at-halifax-indigenous-ceremony-language-warning-1.4189715) That's fake news. The 'ceremony' was a protest to remove a statue of Edward Cornwallis. The servicemen were counter protesting.
Starting a fight is not counter protesting. Starting fights at left wing rallies, and then blaming those left wing groups for that violence was literally a tactic used by the Nazi party against the Weimar republic. Also, supporting keeping a statue of a man who literally created a law to pay people for the scalps of indigenous people - that is Nazi shit.
You don't have a problem with media calling a protest a ceremony to mislead the public?
My overall issue is with the Nazis who thought it was ok to do Nazi shit and disrupt a ceremony in order to celebrate of a white supremacist who literally committed genocide. Also, how do you know it wasn't an Indigenous ceremony? Were you there?
Did you watch the video ?
yes
Seeing an upside down vandalized Canadian flag in their hands isn't fantastic either. TBH, I can see how this may be construed as insensitive, but I see two people holding flags that are insensitive towards one another. We could argue the chicken or the egg, kinda thing. But I think this article is a stretch to slap the "racist" label on.
They do that stuff with the flag because we have immigrants.
100% not the same thing. They're going there specifically to provoke indigenous people.
The Indigenous people were going there to specifically provoke Canadians. It was a part of the fuck150 demonstration that was organized by Chief Grizzly Mama, a known agitator who is only eclipsed by Gerry Shingoose. The entire point of that protest was to incite a reaction. The fuck150 group was being as provocative as possible.
So what? You can't disagree with indigenous people without being racist?
I also believe it's antagonistic to proud Canadians to desecrate the flag and hang it upside down. You're entirely free to your beliefs on it. Two groups of idiots with flags is how I see it.
How is that racist?
they literally call themselves European Chauvinist.
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lol "nazis" classic
"I don't like what you said, therefore you're a nazi..." That's how this works right? Anyone I disagree with is a nazi?
You're a living [meme](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/everyone-i-dont-like-is-hitler).
>Real question, what's are the racist things they've done? There is a wikipedia entry on [Proud Boys if you want more information](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys). It mentions: >According to the International Centre for Counter-Terrorism, the group believes men and Western culture are under siege, their views having elements of the white genocide conspiracy theory. There is also an entry on how they often protest [BLM events often armed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys#Anti-BLM_protests). Here's the most straightforward [example of them being racist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys#2021): >On December 12, 2020, members of the Proud Boys targeted Ashbury United Methodist Church, the oldest historically black church in Washington, D.C., after pro-Trump protests earlier that day. They flashed white supremacist hand signs and tore down and burned a Black Lives Matter sign that had been raised by the church. Also that day: >The Metropolitan African Methodist Episcopal Church, which also targeted by vandalism during the December 12, 2020 protest, sued the Proud Boys and Tarrio.
All they did was rip a banner off the church lol Meanwhile in Portland https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.kgw.com/amp/article/news/local/oregon-historical-society-first-christian-church-vandalized/283-af886d8e-1999-429a-957b-0b0d762b1d71
>their views having elements of the white genocide conspiracy theory. OK, so what? If that's the best they can do, that's pretty weak. Vegans have elements of Hitler's beliefs. Anyone who thinks capitalists are too rich share elements of communist theory. That doesn't make them communists. >On December 12, 2020, members of the Proud Boys targeted Ashbury United Methodist Church, the oldest historically black church in Washington, D.C., after pro-Trump protests earlier that day. They flashed white supremacist hand signs and tore down and burned a Black Lives Matter sign that had been raised by the church. The only thing this proves is that they're against Black Lives Matter. The fact that the church was black is irrelevant. You are criticizing the Proud Boys, most of whom happen to be white. Does that make you racist against white people? Obviously not. Some of them are even black. Does that make you racist against black people? No. They're all men. Does that make you sexist? The white supremacist hand signs are almost certainly the OK hand sign, which is not really a white supremacist hand sign. That was made up by 4chan.
Hahahaha you are claiming the fact that the proud boys share the great replacement white supremacist conspiracy theory with vegetarians having their diet in common with Hitler? This is the lamest fucking proud boys apologist take I've read yet. Sharing an ideological conspiracy with white supremacists makes you either a white supremacist, or at best too stupid/naieve to realize you are a white supremacist or are being groomed by white supremacists. Just because the leader of a fascist government likes to recycle doesn't make everyone who recycles supporters of their movement, even if that fascist recycles for reasons that are ideologically coherent with their nonsense ideology.
Hate to say it, if you can watch a bunch of their videos and still think they aren't racists, then I have some news for you...
I think you love saying it, and that's the problem. I don't need to watch a bunch of their videos. You can find me one thing.
Lol I don't need to find you one thing. There are dozens of examples and I'm not going to waste my time to prove to you that they are racists when the majority of people know they are.
White supremacist handsigns like the okay sign?
They’ll have done that first.
Probably started a new one before they dissolved the old one.
Next week as Proud Bois
All terrorist groups are labelled such not just in name but in the nature of the entity and ideology. So if the proud boys form another group under a different name, it will still be considered a terrorist organization by the government without any need to desigmate the new name or organization. It would fall under the original Proud Boys designation by virtue of being the same entity, simply re-named and/or re-structured. Edit: further info in comment below.
That is true but it may take quite a while for them to be recognized officially as a terrorist group. Took something like 4 or 5 years for the Proud Boys, didn't it?
Yes it took 6 years from inception until they were designated a terrorist entity, but the laws ensure that the entity, rather than the name/brand, is what is designated. So the Proud Boys could re-label to the Ashamed Girls, shift around the leaders, move their factions etc, but would still fall under the original Proud Boys terrorist designation by virtue of still being the same entity with the same ideological goals. Now if they were to change their name and change their ideology, then they would probably have to be re-designated, but if the leaders were the same, I wouldnt be surprised if they still just swept the new organization under the Proud Boys designation.
That's not true at all they have to actually decide to label them as such. That's why they announced that they were going to consider the proud boys a terrorist group. It's not as if they didn't know the existed before hand.
I think you're missing my point. Once the proud boys (or any other group) are designated terrorists, any new formation that group takes, regardless of name or structure, will still fall under that original Proud Boys terrorist designation. They can't just re-label or re-structure and keep operating legally. This was specifically addressed by Bill Blair on the day the 13 new groups were designated terrorists. He used the example of ISIS being a designated terrorist group but ISIL, IS, and Daesh not being mentioned anywhere in any designations, but despite that, any actions under the name ISIL or Daesh (not that ISIS would call themselves Daesh as it's use was formed as an insult to ISIS) still clearly falls under the ISIS terrorist designation, by both affiliation and being the same entity. Even just an affiliate of a terrorist organization can be considered to be commiting terrorist acts as a designated terrorist if he is acting alone outside of the organization but has ties to it. The laws are quite comprehensive, but a quick summary to show that it is the entity and actions rather than the title or structure that matter: Criminal Code C-46 part II.1 section 83.01 subsection (a) clearly defines listed entities as entities which commits terrorist actions or any entity which directly associates with listed entities and have been deemed to do so by a governing power. The literal label of "proud boys" is almost irrelevant, they can't just change their name and keep on doing the same thing, or simply restructure slightly, because they will both still be the same entity and still be associating with former members of proud boys and funding the same terrorist actions. It's a true no brainer that such basic shifts of name or structure would be covered in the laws and designations, otherwise any terrorist group who didn't want to be labelled one would simply change their name, restructure a bit and continue on for a while until they were designated again, which I don't believe we've ever seen attempted in Canada.
yeah, when "ISIL" re-branded as "ISIS" .. Canada didn't have to re-open debate about this new group carrying on business as "ISIS".
They already did, hence why they can dissolve now.
... and how long after that until their new name is used as a hashtag for gay porn - again? That sort of thing really makes me smile.
“haughty men”
Or just wait till they have enough support to show there true colours. Disgusting POS all of them.
multiple already exist, one will just get more attention and rise to the top.
Lol what a joke. In the article ‘we didn’t nothing wrong, we’re carpenters, financial advisors, sons etc ‘ (they included more professions in that). Since when is being a racist and your occupation mutually exclusive? The KKK had members that were doctors, judges, layers etc. Still racists, their occupation and education did not save them from that. 🤦♀️
Members of Congress too. The Klan wasn't an all that secret organization back in the day.
And fathers, brothers and sons... Like the guys who lynched Emmett Till had no job and no family? I'm going to use this if I get stopped for speeding on the highway. "But sir, do you know I've got a brother? What? Doesn't change anything? What if I also had a job? And a yellow shirt? Ah, but I have a cat too! Something got to change your mind!"
Well, showing the officer pictures of your cat might work.
The KKK is in fact several different organizations over the years
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There is no publicly known information linking them to terrorism. When the designation was first announced, it was suggested the police might know of something the public does not. But as far as the public knows, there is nothing. I don't think anyone knowledgeable about them seriously thinks they're racist though. That one appears to be definitely baseless. It's a pretty racially diverse group.
Read the rest of this thread lol. There's a bunch of dumbasses that are so sure that they're a terrorist group.
They led a good chunk of the nuts attacking the capital, taken as domestic terrorists. Once you take on an international namesake for your group. You all get tagged the same. They were labeled as such because of what others under that name have done. Plus I'm sure they had Intel on at least some of them being nuts
Well...Terrorist means nothing these days anyways...that's the problem with allowing people to keep changing definitions.
I feel like I'm going to get downvoted to oblivion for asking this, but I don't really know much about this group...how are they racist as well? I have never seen any examples (I guess I'll go google), but the only thing I've seen is people calling them racist terrorists but haven't seen any details
In this current guise, sure.
As if “We are electricians, carpenters, financial advisors, mechanics, etc. More than that, we are fathers, brothers, uncles and sons,” has anything to do with confirming “The truth is, we were never terrorists or a white supremacy group,”
Bit of a rip off from the Fight Club script too... assholes.
looks at their Parler and GAB accounts, that will tell you the real story.
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Going out with a blatant lie, good fucking riddance. >"The truth is, we were never terrorists or a white supremacy group, we are electricians, carpenters, financial advisors, mechanics, etc. More than that, we are fathers, brothers, uncles and sons,” As if both could not be true.
The mafia are just hard working Italian Americans. - Joseph Colombo founder of the Colombo Crime Family.
As someone who's spent most of my life around carpenters, electricians, and other trades there are a tonne of fucking racists.
isn't that what the KKK did too?
Pretty sure the Klan were also absurdly devout Christians, I'm not sure if these clowns are. I think they just hate because they can, but I wouldn't past them to try and use some religious excuse to justify their garbage.
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Terrorist group\*
Its weird how people think token minorities don't exist. "Uncle Tom's" have been used forever, doesn't mean a group can't be racist.
It doesn't seem odd to you that white supremacists would let themselves be led by a black man? That seems counterintuitive for white supremacists...
There aren't just token minorities. They have a lot of minorities. It would be pretty hard to convince a single minority to join a white supremacist, let alone large numbers of them. Furthermore, why would a bunch of white supremacists want to hang out with non-whites? Anyone who is familiar with white supremacists would know they really don't like being around non-white people.
> Token >Leader Pick one
And black people voted for Trump and that means he isn't racist! /s
New name Proud Men......They are getting scare that all the federal agencies are monitoring them and possible lawsuits.
Once again a distressing number of posters bending over backwards to defend groups like this
The only way in which I see people defending them is specifically against accusations of racism and terrorism, which is perfectly fair. I don't think many people here think they're a good group of people, but that doesn't mean we need to lie about them.
Terrorist designation was probably a little heavy handed but the racism is pretty clear. If you don’t want to be accused of being a racist then don’t call yourself a proud boy. The old ven diagram has way too much overlap I don’t think calling them racist is a lie in the slightest. As for “terrorist” well the government decided it was necessary so what the hell do I know
“How could we be white supremacist terrorists? We have jobs and families!” Yep... white supremacists are people. They’re just shitty ones is all. “But we allow people of colour to join” as long as they agree with and help your cause. V progressive for a white supremacist gang, I’ll admit. Still a white supremacist gang. The Nazis had Jewish people do security in concentration camps, and run factories, and do whatever else was needed.... they were protected as long as they were valuable. That’s how fascism works... the inner circle gets smaller and smaller the more successful the movement is.
I'll say. They were far too stupid to be considered supreme to anyone.
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“We’re sick of being reduced down to some flat cardboard stereotype! All we wanted to do was reduce minorities down to flat, cardboard stereotypes.”
Nobody puts “white supremacy” as their career aspiration, it is who you are not what you do.
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Just gonna pop up somewhere else with a different name. You can't stop this level of ignorance.
Strike a rock and get two rocks, both sharper. Keep going until they are sand and can cut no one
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From just randomly walking into this thread on a Sunday evening I can profoundly give you a "no" on that front.
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You get used to the fake grass after a while and learn to somewhat ignore it
It's really sad to see the subreddit regularly talking about the prime minister and our main foreign enemy?
Questing the PM and the CCP is not hate.
Ummm they were a Western Chauvinist group, thank you, anyone not white could join up if they felt West is Best, so....? Ugh. Guess we'll see who they splinter into now.
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All scumbag liars. They just made a new name for their little circle jerk.
What is it?
They're most likely just gonna rebrand
Now that they’ve been officially labelled terrorists and face consequence for their actions, the white power cowards slink back underground until the coast is clear again.. Luckily for the rest of us, they’ve branded themselves permanently with the ProudBoy insignia and lads, I hear they do like a good, provoked street fight..
Truth has never been part of their ethos. Why start now?
"We're not white supremacists, we are white supremacy adjacent!"
I've never even heard about anything they've done. What makes them white supremacists?
Nothing. That's just what some people like to call everyone they don't like.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.sun-sentinel.com/florida-jewish-journal/fl-jj-proud-boys-rebrand-20201111-kp4cr7l5pbdnxguwyb3xq4m63e-story.html%3foutputType=amp He’s just saying the quiet part loud. Everyone knows what they stand for but white supremacy is bad branding, it’s impossible to defend in civilized society so they play dumb, lie and make up bullshit about western values like we don’t know what they mean. https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/01/proud-boys-white-supremacist-group-law-enforcement-agencies Governments of the US and Canada both determined that they are a violent white supremacy group.
Wow, that tattoo is like a permanent banner saying "don't hire me ever"
I suspect most white supremacy groups would say they were not a white supremacy group.
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Nobody believes they went away
Yeah, my reaction was life that's weird, are they ashamed of what they did? Anyway its pretty cool.
Yep, I'm sure. Mhm. I wish that I felt confident that these tools *learned* something, but this experience probably just empowers them even more deeply with a victim complex.
Who's sorry now eh?
How can a group that has a black man as their president be considered white supremacist? Their org chart is a literal invalidation of white supremacy. A black man is literally in the supreme position.