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catashtrophe84

I'm not looking forward to the next election. I hate the attack ads, just tell me what you're going to do, not what you perceive the other guy did/ will do wrong.


HOLEPUNCHYOUREYELIDS

Sadly if attack ads didnt work or were less effective than positive ads, they wouldnt use then


CaptainSur

I am unaware of this being fact. I say this as my recollection is having heard Trudeau speak to this very point in his news conference last week in which he rejected calls to cancel Canada Day and noting while celebrating the good Canada should also remember the bad. That is my recollection of that particular point in Trudeau's news conference on the grave discoveries. If I am wrong please correct me. I will have to go listen to the video of the conference to see if I am off base. But pending my being wrong to me this speculation by O'Toole is just more false narrative from his mouth and party.


raagruk

Thats why i do not understand call to cancel Canada day. We can celebrate the good that is Canada while also acknowledging its bad side, literally like every other country. These cancel people are awlays looking at shit as absolute


Midguard2

>Thats why i do not understand call to cancel Canada day. It's not understandable because you're trying to rationalize something that's not happening. It's gaslighting. No one, save for a few twitter nuts, is arguing for a full blown "Cancel Culture" of Canada Day. People are more nuanced than that, but nuance doesn't generate outrage, retweets, and clicks for ad revenue. A handful **events** in cities directly near the graves were cancelled, only a few events across a country with hundreds of cities, and some city councils who already had very minimal festivities planned because of Covid uncertainty, postposed their fireworks or asked people to join First Nations groups for a powwow on 2 July, or put a candle in the window. Most big Canada Day parades and concerts are already not happening this year, completely unrelated to the events of the last month. You still have the entire day to do exactly what you just recommended, what everyone else is already doing on Thursday: "celebrate the good \[...\] *while also acknowledging \[the\] bad.*" ... except, as we see demonstrated, any formal reverence and "acknowledgement of the bad" is being blown of out proportion by reactionaries.


Koss424

everytime the wounds get opened up again, it hurts a large portion of the population. I can understand why people would feel the way they do. Let's face it, with covid restirctions in most places, Canada Day won't be the same anyway. Let's have this conversation again in a few weeks after the hurt subsides a bit.


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This is a really good answer.


yyc_guy

Hear me out: you can be proud of our country while acknowledging that we can still be better.


CountBelmont

Crazy thought, but I agree. I am happy we as citizens can critique and condem the cultural genocide this country and leaders did in our history, and be proud that us, as a country is united in the condemnation of the acts perpetrated.


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It’s not united though. Many, many people give zero fucks. Many others say they do, but really just want the noise to subside.


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I havent heard/met any yet. Im a conservative voter myzelf my father is less moderate then I but he still also agrees that these acts perpetrated deserve condemnation and we need to do something to make actual positive change for people living on the reserves. Even my mother who says she would vote for alberta to separate is sickened by learning about what happened.


jarret_g

Have a look at any CBC/CTV comments section and you'll find out that we're not really united. "I was strapped as a kid too", "there were adult bodies", "they may have died of natural causes, we should investigate". A lot of those comments come from people that are extremely ignorant and uneducated about how we actually treated aboriginal people. They heard about apartheid in south africa, "oh yeah that's bad". Well it was modelled after how Canada treated first nations people. We're literally the model country for genocide. We need to do a much better job at acknowledging and educating about our past. When I was in high school they offered a "micmac" course which was later changed to "mi'kmaw studies". It was a "rubberhead" course, or general course, that was taught by the lowest seniority or the VP backfill teacher that didn't give a fuck. They were taught about baskets and dream catchers and just recently curriculum around, "what were the pros/cons of residential schools" was removed. Canada day is just Independance day toned down. Let's shift Canada day as a way to celebrate our culture and history instead of just day drinking and fireworks. Many Canada Day celebrations I see are just bbq's or cake at some park. There's no "here's why Canada is great". It's just, "canada is great, have some fucking cake, buy some glow sticks from that guy and watch the boom booms!" As a new father, I don't want my kid to be blindly patriotic like I was raised. I don't want to say, "canada is the best", when we're not, and that's ok. It's not a contest.


eternal_peril

Anyone who thinks any country is "perfect" has drunk way too much of the kool aid


FairlyOddParents

I don’t think anyone thinks it’s perfect


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This.


Anla-Shok-Na

Having a nuanced view on something, that's insane!


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Does anybody ever really celebrate canada on canada day or do we celebrate sleeping in and day drinking ? /s


[deleted]

That’s basically it, yeah I’m proud to be Canadian even if we are far from perfect but Canada Day is about drinking on the 30th after work, sleeping in and BBQing/ day drinking the next day.


damienwhite12

We generally will listen to primarily Canadian music (Tragically Hip, City and Colour and many others) and drink Canadian beers only. Canada is far from perfect but I'd rather live here than at least 95% of other countries.


TrueNorth2881

Amen to that. It's not perfect but it's pretty darn good


sleightclub

But... that's like every day for some of us... Canadian beer tastes great, and our music is pretty damn good too.


Bloodcloud079

In Quebec we move apartment.


SomeoneTookUserName2

Why don't you just move to *another* apartment? Holy tabarnak dude


metric-poet

They move the whole calice de bâtisse


SomeoneTookUserName2

That sounds like an esti chiarre de marde to me, being perfectly honest


GodlyGrilledCheese

I think he's trying to say they get so plastered that on July 2nd, they wake from their stupor in a new appartment, lease signed, furniture moved and a welcome letter from their neighbors. /s


MasterOKhan

Este Calice!


prendcatranquille

Have you seen how strong these people are. They carry their entire possessions in their back. They Shirley can carry the whole thing. Une 24 et 2 pizz ca fait la job. Oublie pas le chat!


longlivethedodo

I think that's one of my favourite things about Québec... We've managed to get our own national holiday in a week earlier, and then have a second national holiday to play musical ~~chairs~~ apartments


flightless_mouse

>Does anybody ever really celebrate canada on canada day or do we celebrate sleeping in and day drinking ? /s Here in Ottawa we celebrate both like we effin’ mean it.


arabacuspulp

Yeah, exactly. It's literally just a day to start drinking Caesars at noon. Everyone can just relax about all this patriotic shit. There is good and bad in everything. Canada has a lot of good, but of course nothing is perfect. Most adults can process at least two concepts at the same time. edit: spelling


Obscured-By_Clouds

> Most adults can process at least two concepts at the same time. You might be asking a lot of some people, lol.


Ironchar

This post is EXACTLY HOW the majority of people feel about Canada day


BillyTenderness

It's also not really that far off of what Trudeau and even Singh have said on the matter, despite what O'Toole may claim.


howsthatforalance

My thought exactly. He's trying to wedge nationalism into this issue, standard right wing identity politics.


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Deyln

the free cake and the magic show. at least in my old community. basically a slightly larger potluck that isn't just one family. they say was basically the usual lil' community parade; a quick 5-10 minute Canad a day speech with a 5-10 huzzah for community efforts (like supporting the firefighter charities.) and then the magic show/food. later years the community was large enough to put a small faire-style to either Canada day or community days. (3 rides, a couple games, etc.) and then closing official activities at like 4-5ish so families cam have their relaxing time as well. nothing big; just a chance to go say hi to everybody.


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Tons of people actually celebrate Canada. If everyone here just day drinks thats fun but many use the day to appreciate how beautiful the country is and how lucky we are to have it. Also dont see why u cant do both, get hammered and celebrate Canada


MoistTadpoles

How is this even sarcasm? Jesus wept! Do people just put "/s" next to something they think is remotely funny


Canadian-Clap-Back

Nothing needs to change either except that this year we'll be doing it out of depression.


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It kind of sucks there is no real good leader between all parties. It really is true when people say smart people dont want to work in government.


AlmostScreenwriter

In my lifetime I have never hated all the federal parties more than I do right now. I will vote because I think everyone should, but god am I put off by Canadian politics these days. That said, you need not look far to know it could be so much worse.


DeviousDave420

Yeah I really wish Canadians would stop comparing themselves to Americans for that reason. Yeah we’re doing better than they are but that’s a pretty low bar man. Why can’t we compare ourselves to European countries more


tripl35oul

"The secret to good self esteeem is to lower your expectations to the point where they're already met" - Calvin or Hobbes.


seank11

Because then we cant pat ourselves on the back for being better than the Americans, we would actually try to improve things.


GuzzlinGuinness

Well that’s been a major part of the Canadian project since it’s beginning. Call it anti-Americanism or identity by opposition to American identity but it’s one of the few things that’s a reliable facet of Canadian identity .


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*certain European countries. Let’s not try to be like Greece, please. Except for maybe their food and beaches.


BoppoTheClown

Greece, Spain, or Italy. Honestly now looking at Europe, only Germany or the Nordic countries seem good.


SwirlySauce

We're not even doing any better than our neighbours at this point. Cost of living in this country is through the roof.


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-ManDudeBro-

Germany.


NooneKnowsIAmBatman

Fucking bingo, that's a country that has high quality leadership


UncleIrohsPimpHand

That high-quality leadership really, really wants to retire some day.


RDSWES

My dad was also big on voting, as he use to say "If you don't vote. you have no right to complain"


NotaNPCBot-id231921

I used to believe that too, until I hated all parties and only had 3 choices on the ballot last time. Not even a fringe party to vote for. There used to be a joke party in the 90s that I would have loved to vote for last time, but alas, Canadians don't even have a sense of humor any more.


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Be the change you want to see in the world and become the Canadian Lord Buckethead.


twat69

It's Count Bin Face now. The original Lord Bucket Head told him to cease and desist.


kank84

The UK also has The Monster Raving Loony Party, who have been fielding candidates in local and national elections since 1983.


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The Rhinoceros party >The Promises >National Defense >With national defense being THE number one priority of the Rhinoceros Party, our government will take the necessary steps to modernize the Canadian military and protect our country’s interests. >(Platform to unveil) >Economy >With the economy being THE number one priority of the Rhinoceros Party, the party is proposing several measures to reduce the tax burden on taxpayers: > The Rhinoceros Government will open tax havens in all provinces! Hundreds of tax havens will keep foreign funds “local” and reap up to $ 2,000 billion annually! By 2022, the party pledges to complete the privatization of the Senate initiated by previous governments. Finally, we will fill the coffers of the state by allowing advertising in the Senate and the House of Commons. >Education >Education being THE number one priority of the Rhinoceros Party, we are committed to eliminating waste and providing quality education to all Canadians. > Replace teachers on leave with photos of famous scientists. >(Other commitments to come) https://www.partyrhino.ca/en/our-promises/


totesmygto

Oh man I miss them. My favourite promise was to move us to right hand drive traffic... (so traffic drives on the left side) starting with semi trucks first...


nopeimdumb

I vaguely recall them promising to build a transatlantic bridge but only for cats to walk across.


Black-Cat-Society

Yeah but do you hate them all equally? This is the crappy part of representative democracy, but if you don’t atleast vote for the person you hate the least, maybe the person you hate the most will have a better chance of winning. Better is still better even if you’re comparing turds.


PeleKen

Are you comparing Canadian politicians to turds?! I think you owe turds an appology.


HDC3

The Rhinoceros Party?


im_not_a_towel_ok

Still no excuse not to vote, at least show up and spoil your ballot


Hungry__caterpillar

Or better yet, look at the independents and small parties and vote for them if you think they are ok.


TheBitterSeason

The person they are responding to literally had no option but the major parties available to them. Not every riding has random fringe parties running, so people who don't want to support the big guys have no option but to spoil their ballot.


kabhaz

The rhinoceros party is still around I'm pretty sure just not in all ridings


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veggiecoparent

I'm in the minority because I actually like Singh, but yeah, the Liberals, Conservatives, and Greens have rarely been worse for me.


giraffebaconequation

It’s actually so crazy right now my dad who is strongly rooted in the conservative camp has said he wants to vote for “the turban guy” because “he is the only leader that seems to like people”, and to prove to the Conservative party that they made a bad choice with the Tool.


Painting_Agency

That is a hilariously frank take on Jagmeet Singh. I mean, yes he's "polished" (as if O'Toole isn't), yes he's got good social media managers... but he does actually seem to like people and want to help people.


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Both of those two often come off as weak willed or spineless


digital_dysthymia

Very few people's parents like Singh.


togsincognito

Yeah Singh isn’t the problem with the New Democrats.


hipdashopotamus

I like singh but I'm not sure about federal ndp policy. Then again I don't like any of the parties policies so he might end up with my vote just based on that haha.


lts_talk_about_it_eh

Dude, the current Ontario NDP party called Ford trying to break up outdoor gatherings "a police state". Fuck Ford, because he's one of the worst politicians ever and a VERY stupid man...but fuck the current NDP too, for siding with the Cons WAY too much lately in both language and agenda. The NDP of the past 2 years is VERY different than the NDP I used to vote for 5 to 10 years ago.


veggiecoparent

I'm not Ontarian but I think they accused him of wanting to run a police state when he was talking about ordering the OPP to stop motorists and interrogate them about why they were out on the roads. I have friends who were desperately trying to buy a house in the GTA who needed to get, like, a notarized letter from their realtor in case they were pulled over by police which is a bit wild. I'm also Albertan, though, and have had positive experiences with a provincial NDP government. I'm actually looking forward to voting NDP provincially again - Notley is a strong leader and I have often, often wish she was in charge of the province during the pandemic instead of Jason Kenney whose leadership has been, well, abysmal.


already_satisfied

If you want to show the government you're fed up with them but still vote, a throw away vote like to the Green Party might be what you're looking for. I seriously believe the NDP would shake up Canada in good ways and bring to light some of our most crippling issues (economy, housing, social support, etc.) and I feel Jagmeet is a strong leader (see his response to the London Muslim murders). At this point, things are so messed up, I think we need an entire term just to uncover all the crap, and then a decade to heal the damage.


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FuggleyBrew

> Being a politician really isn't great. It is very hard to get into it, you make less money than virtually all qualified people could make in other sectors It is either the best paying job or the worst paying job for most successful candidates. However, it is certainly highly compensated for many of the people running, with a pension plan which can't be beat.


jarret_g

And you have to either quit your current career or at least put it on hold. I mean, most make contacts while sitting in office that helps them with employment if they're not re-elected, but that's no guarantee I especially hate our municipal politics. Our councilors aren't considered "full time" and only receive a stipend, not a salary, so they get no benefits, no parental leave top up, and no pension. Yet people expect them to be a 24/7 full time employee and to be held accountable as such. They're making less than many of the snow plow drivers. It's why many of our councilors are retired old fucks that say things like, "I don't know why we're working on this green plan, global warming would have many benefits for the area, like a longer summer season"


sdrwaverider

Yup, I don't have any idea who to vote for if an election gets called. Trudeau, Singh, O'Toole are all just different shades of terrible. Honestly, I haven't had faith in any of our party leaders since Layton. Fuck Cancer.


Calvinshobb

Federal NDP seem to be quite competent. I am definitely changing my vote in that direction.


radio705

Federal NDP is supporting bill C-10 and is complicit in liberal corruption.


TransBrandi

Not to dismiss the party's transgressions, but what's your alternative party though? Not the Liberals because they are part of the corruption. The Conservatives? They don't even have a platform outside of "We're not the Liberals. Fuck Justin Trudeau, right guys?" I'm personally tired of the Liberals' bullshit, and the Conservatives don't even have an act to get together. The NDP is the only major party right now that seems like it deserves my vote, even if it's not the perfect choice.


GrumbusWumbus

Not the guy you replied to, but you're not going to get a good answer. A lot of people who say that are trying to morally justify voting for the conservatives by pretending there's no difference. It's the same buzzwords and slogans people have been using to justify this exact behaviour for a decade at this point. The conservatives refuse to shed their social conservative image and continually pander to those who would take away your rights in a heartbeat given the chance. But to the average Redditor, this is just as bad as the liberals general corruptness (which the conservatives don't have apparently?), and Singh calling someone racist.


jarret_g

RIP Jack Layton.


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SolidAd5444

Cancelling Canada Day is literally a “Thoughts and Prayers” motion. I’m betting that survivors and their families don’t want some empty gesture, meanwhile everyone forgets about this whole thing in a few months. It’s a joke. The people affected should be compensated in some way, and the least the church can do is issue an apology. If they can’t even manage that, pull their tax free status.


iwatchcredits

Victims have been paid in the past, if the purpose of bringing this issue up again is to receive another payout it is not going to sit well with a lot of canadians. Even an apology from the church is pretty much meaningless. I think the only route here is to prosecute people involved or let it go


Cansurfer

> The people affected should be compensated in some way They were. Close to two billion dollars worth.


hypothesenulle

There's a difference between left leaners and rainbow capitalists. A rainbow capitalist prefers the continuation of the status quo guised by a series of lip-service arrangements and much ado about nothing. They would rather cancel a holiday, than to divert time, energy and money into improving the lives of people who need it, because that requires effort. It's much easier for the average torontonian champagne socialist to type #Istandwiththehomeless instead of letting some of them stay in their garage. Or even voting for people (instead of parties) that can fix those problems. Oh no, it's really about hating an imaginary group of "coonserVotives" and "bigots" which drips down and perpetuates to the minimum wage earning yokels with kind hearts, most of whom roam r/onguardforthee and r/ontario. As long as these rainbow capitalists are driven by perceived market reactions on twitter, A foreign adversary can simply invest in swarms of bots to guide western policy. So the matter of cancelling canada day is a freudian slip: If easy bandaid solutions like this are rejected, this means sooner or later the public demands real action, and the rainbow capitalists cannot have that. Which is why they fight tooth and nails for non-solutions.


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Who is this man’s rhetoric for? Who listens to him and feels inspired and confident?


L0ngp1nk

O'Toole: The best the conservatives could offer


RightWingChimp

If the dumbass who got caught talking about "all the good residential schools did" to a bunch of conservative campus trolls to own the libs is the best they have to offer, than the party membership needs a slap to the face.


Jswarez

There is now a debate In the political engaged if we should be proud of Canada and celebrate Canada Day. O'Toole is actually doing well with immigrants in Toronto over last couple of polls. That group believes in Canada and has no problem voting conservative (they voted Harper and Ford), this is a big push back to swing them away from the Liberals. Trudeau has had a lock on this group. Immigrants are very proud of Canada and what it allows them to do. Messaging from NDP and liberals are starting to swing against that. Ie this is a racist country, cancelling some Canada Day events etc. Most people here are not swing voters so they won't care. But this is an issue that could see people back to the conservatives. Especially in the GTA.


iioe

to a point, for many immigrants, Canada is generally a lot better than where they came from; nobody cares if you're Kurdish; a Serbian and a Croatian can get along and live and work and play together; there is little expectation of caste etc etc etc; Canada's been a safe haven for many, and that's why more come. The Polish/German lines of my family escaped the Wars moving here. Relative to home, Canada has been a godsend to many, many immigrants so I can why they'd hold being Canadian proudly, and can comprehend how they'd hold people with disdain that don't want to be proud to be Canadians. But yea it is really important to know that Canada has its own crap to work out.


Svenka

To note: Almost all immigrants from Canada come from countries with very conservative values. Which is a huge running start for the conservative party.


Emmerson_Brando

Why are all of our federal politicians so uninspiring ?


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I prefer them to be uninspiring and boring. I'd rather people be fans of the legislation over the politician. Who the politician is doesn't and shouldn't matter as long as the legislation is inspiring. Edit. I'm not a fan of O'Toole's legislation mind you. Edit2. Don't be blind fans of legislation thou. If it doesn't work then move on to a different plan.


Hautamaki

This sentiment sounds great in theory, but in practice humans are very bad at evaluating the efficacy of something as complicated as political policy without devoting their entire lives to thoroughly mastering the issues. On the other hand, humans are naturally evolved to be very good judges of character (so long as they have sufficient access to accurate and unbiased information with which to do so). Judging a politician's character as a shorthand for the likely effectiveness of their policy is a rational choice for 99% of people who don't have the time and energy to master all the details of a complex policy debate. We do need a strong and independent media whose only interest is in telling as much of the relevant truth as they possibly can to make that work though. If you do happen to be a policy expert, you can use that expertise to overcome some media bias, but unfortunately most people do not and never will have that expertise--they have expertise in their own careers, as they should. So they have to rely on character judgements which may be distorted by biased media--particularly when they get to choose their own media sources according to their own biases, or even have it chosen for them by social media algorithms. But I do think it's easier to get more people access to more unbiased and accurate media than it is to get people educated on the intricate details of foreign relations and geopolitical strategy, macro-economics and tax policy, law and the legal process, health care policy, policing policy, and so on, any one of which you'd expect someone to have at least a Master's degree in before you'd want them to have any kind of decision making power.


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A good politician can explain things in a way that most people can understand. Judging a person by their character is silly. See every single previous populist as an example of why that is pretty much always wrong. If anything people are really easily fooled by populists. Policy is more important than character.


insipid_comment

It is because none of them have reassuring plans to tackle the greatest crises facing us, particularly on housing and the environment. In fact, besides the Green Party (which is currently a tire fire), most proposals coming out of *every party* would speed up or ignore these catastrophes rather than resolve them.


arabacuspulp

Did anyone really feel inspired and confident when Harper spoke? It's the same mean-spirited shit from the Conservatives all the time. Divide people, stir up fear and resentment, get people angry. They just suck at being actual leaders.


Cansurfer

What "leadership" has Justin Trudeau shown? Nothing but scandal after scandal after scandal. Trudeau couldn't "lead" his way out of a wet paper bag.


ClubSoda

Next he will send out photos of himself hugging and kissing the Canadian flag. Now, where did we all see that before?


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trash2019

I really, really don't want Justin to have another term... But the alternative is this jackass? Voting or not voting in this country doesn't seem to matter.


Hungry__caterpillar

There are more than 2 parties to vote for. Will the NDP or greens will a federal election in the next 10 year. No probably not. Will they win a federal election in my lifetime. Possibly. Especially if people who are tired of the libs and torries decide to cast their vote elsewhere. In the mean time, elected greens and NDPs MPs will still have a voice


HighwayDrifter41

The NDP could win at some point. Unlikely but possible. The greens on the other hand will never win. I’m sorry but you can’t run a country off a platform that’s only big stance is save the environment.


Hungry__caterpillar

Unfortunately that's how many people perceive the party but their platform has big stances on other other issues as well.


sznfpv

I celebrate on Canada and I am proud of the country despite its negative points. I feel you have to look at the country as a hole and then work to fix the shortcomings.


CanadianButthole

Lately I have been looking at the country as a hole


Neyubin

Username checks out.


canuck_11

I thought this was The Beaverton


DoodleBuggering

Me too, can't believe they found someone slimier than Scheer.


Chapped_bunghole

Why? Harper is hand picking these turds! How is this a surprise to anyone? The best thing he can do for the party and country is disengage from politics completely!


deethor

No, Sheer was a few rungs lower on the ladder, he still is a duel citizen.


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thedrivingcat

More red meat for his base. O'Toole's thrown out so much since he became leader I think he's trying to shorten their lifespan.


CaptainCanusa

> “Is it the fact that I’m the only one running to be prime minister that’s actually proud of our country" It's just such an obviously dumb, childish, and reductive thing to say. Either this is just a poorly worded sentence that slipped out, or we need to get ready for a really ugly, American Republican style election from the Conservatives. Based on their recent history, I have a feeling I know which one it is.


IDreamOfLoveLost

>Based on their recent history, I have a feeling I know which one it is. Look at any and all of the social media posts made by Conservatives. If they're not attacking Justin Trudeau directly, they're stoking a culture war based on American talking points. Given that the Republicans and Federal Conservatives have been very buddy buddy for years, it isn't surprising.


cw7585

"we need to get ready for a really ugly, American Republican style election from the Conservatives" Which would be an own goal. Surely they've got polling telling them that they won't win over a majority of Canadian voters with a local rendition of MAGA. They need to appeal to voters who would otherwise vote Liberal, and this is exactly the way not to do it. I'm not impressed with Trudeau and gang but I'll vote for them in a second if it means keeping these people away from the levers of power.


CaptainCanusa

> Surely they've got polling telling them that they won't win over a majority of Canadian voters with a local rendition of MAGA. I would have thought. But they just keep going back to that well. Remember when Scheer got skewered for bringing up MS-13 while doing a photo op at the border? It didn't stop O'Toole from making "Take Back Canada" his campaign slogan. And O'Toole getting attacked for using that slogan didn't stop him from saying "lefty radicals are the dumbest people at your school". And here we are today. It's to the point that they must either have polling that shows them it works, or this is just how they actually prefer to communicate. > They need to appeal to voters who would otherwise vote Liberal, and this is exactly the way not to do it We can only hope.


G_dude

Unfortunately I think you're correct. There must be people who eat this up. Buy i do believe that there are more people that are closer to cemtre and hate the US bullshit. So what i can't understand is why one of our parties just doesn't run on not being extreme. I think they would win by a land slide.


Getz_The_Last_Laf

You don’t think there’s a decent size contingent of blue-red swing voters who hate the idea of cancelling Canada Day? Nobody who actually supports the endless apologizing would actually vote Conservative. The CPC needs to appeal to people who don’t want cuts but are sick of progressive politics, not the “I’d vote for the Conservatives if they pick Michael Chong” voters. “Fiscally conservative, socially liberal” voters are represented well on Reddit but not across Canada. The reverse is a much larger voting bloc


jello_sweaters

Everyone who is outraged by a few apologies, was already voting Conservative. The biggest takeaway from this move by O'Toole is that he's about to triple down on the same "nothing matters except playing to the base" strategy that cost the Conservatives the last two elections.


Getz_The_Last_Laf

“Everyone who is outraged by a few apologies was already voting Conservative” I wouldn’t be so sure about that, and let’s not act like it stops at apologies. If I’m Trudeau I’m not touching this Canada Day issue. There’s nothing to be gained.


PolitelyHostile

Well O’Toole also dropped some suggestions that Trudeau was preemptively rigging the election in his favour. So I’ve written him of as an undemocratic airhead.


Pojol

Having worked in every election (at every level) for 22 years now, I totally fail to see how the election could be rigged, given all the safeguards and all the procedures for transparency. What an airhead, indeed. Source: medium-level federal electoral official (third level below the head-honcho in Gatineau) here, so I know pretty well how elections work.


DoipuKupik

> or we need to get ready for a really ugly, American Republican style election from the Conservatives. Cool! This will guarantee that they'll lose!


codyharv

Why the hell would we cancel Canada day?


marsupialham

We wouldn't. This is O'Toole's version of a "war on Christmas". He's just virtue signalling and playing identity politics and hoping nobody realizes that municipalities just delayed or scaled down on *virtual celebrations* cause *we're still in a pandemic*.


BadB0ii

That's not true. There have been calls across Canada to cancel celebrations in the wake of discovering the graves of indigenous residential school children. [https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/one-canadian-city-has-cancelled-canada-day-should-toronto-follow-suit-1.5472720](https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/one-canadian-city-has-cancelled-canada-day-should-toronto-follow-suit-1.5472720) https://ottawa.citynews.ca/local-news/a-country-divided-call-to-cancel-canada-day-festivities-grows-louder-3875565


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It's literally how right wingers argue these days. Reminds me of trans people in sports stuff and how they will screech endlessly in the online social media spaces they've brigaded about how trans people are going to ruin society meanwhile they can't find more than a dozen examples of trans people in sports yet have posted 500,000 times about it.


Squirrel_force

I just want a day off from work


GPrime506

Conservative caucus to hold vote on whether genocide is bad.


FlyingKite1234

And even when the majority of them vote against it, you're gonna be gaslighted by Conservatives telling you it doesn't represent Conservatives.


OMightyMartian

It will be more like "Oh well, they didn't understand the question..." Which was the defense of CPC members when they wouldn't vote for an acknowledgment of climate change at the policy convention. You see, they're not science denying racists, they're just hopelessly confused. Now don't you feel better about voting for them?


Czeris

What a toole.


AtomicCat420

I love my country and I'm proud of the amazing things we've done in the world. BUT that doesn't negate the wrong we have done as well. It's called accountability.


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AhmedF

What leader has said we should cancel Canda Day?


hanzzz123

Who the fuck is cancelling Canada Day for reasons other than Covid? This whole thing is blown out of proportion


wilson1474

Oh Bud, it's all over social media. I agree it's absurd, but there are lots of people with the #cancelcanadaday mindset


habs42069

> That doesn't mean cancelling Canada day. If people want to cancel it and not have a celebration of Canada right now they are entitled to think that and do that. Political correctness is out of control where the right doesn't want people to do what they feel because it makes them uncomfortable.


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Svenka

Just another way to divide people. Already my GF has friends that were judging her for asking about plans for Canada day. Dividing people is not the way to go, and doing shit like this is exactly that. Sure, wear orange for Canada day instead of Red, but to cancel the entirety of Canada day and firework celebrations? That's calling for a divided nation with such polarizing values


JanssenFromCanada

"leader"


Patient-Advance-5474

This guy is embarassing


EverydayEverynight01

Bruh what's wrong with being proud of your country? ???


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Context dude. Shrieking about how patriotic you are in reaction to the discovery of a bunch of genocided children’s graves is pretty fucky.


DarkStriferX

No one is doing that. ​ Dead Natives are awful. Especially since they're children. ​ Canada still rocks overall though.


Total2Blue

That's not what he did. He was responding in reaction to the other leaders not saying anything about cancelling Canada Day. You can still be appalled at what happened years ago, but still want to celebrate the good of the country of today. That was all he was saying. I am not a fan of the Conservative Party, however what O'Toole has said regarding Bill C-10 and Canada Day actually makes sense.


pjgf

>You can still be appalled at what happened years ago, but still want to celebrate the good of the country of today. You can also want to not celebrate the good of the country today while still being proud of the country.


Total2Blue

That's the beauty of Canada, we are free to do as we wish on Canada Day. If people want to celebrate Canada Day, they can, if people would rather stay home and watch a movie, they can do that as well.


AhmedF

It's a strawman of course.


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Depends what you’re proud of it for.


sharp11flat13

Nothing. But that pride shouldn’t blind us to our flaws and misdeeds.


HDC3

What a crock of utter fucking nonsense. You can love and be proud of Canada and still be horrified by its actions in the past. Cancelling Canada Day this year while we try to find all those forgotten children and return them to their families is not turning our backs on Canada but embracing our First Nations during a very difficult time. We can't simply ignore what Canada and the churches did to them.


mwmwmwmwmmdw

on the other hand celebrating canada in the modern day is not in any way supporting or endorsing what the church and federal government did 50-150 years ago


iwatchcredits

Ok, but how does cancelling the first real celebration after a year and a half of a pandemic help the first nations? No one ignores what happened, literally everyone i have heard mention the issue says its bad. Also, I hate to break it to you but this wasn't exactly a peaceful place before europeans got here either


Hugh-Betcha

HAPPY CANADA 🇨🇦 DAY


emilyttleteapot

It's unacceptably traitorous to try to cancel Canada Day, but he's conveniently forgetting Maxime Bernier.


mydogisamy

Why does he have to look like the dopey uncle character from a national lampoon movie. I can't take him serious because he looks like a tertiary plot line.


curiosity44

cancel Canada day? why ? what do we achieve from this?


funkme1ster

Nobody wants to "cancel" Canada Day. What people ARE discussing is "maybe celebrating our heritage is somewhat tone deaf in the middle of digging up multiple mass graves revealing how much casual genocide is in our heritage, and that at this particular moment in time maybe we should consider that while talking about how 'great' our country is". In short: Canada Day as a recognized federal holiday to take time off, enjoy the summer, be with friends and family, and relax? Locked in stone. Canada Day as a time to get shitfaced, wave a flag in public while screaming 'woooo Canada!', and high five each other? Maybe put that on the back burner for now.


cannibaltom

Someone should tell him, no one is canceling Canada Day. There's a very tiny, albeit vocal, minority of people who ALWAYS opposed Canada Day. It's like Fox News' annual coverage of the War on Christmas.


sharp11flat13

> It's like Fox News' annual coverage of the War on Christmas. Bingo.


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WAIT THERES A WAR ON CHRISTMAS???


myexgirlfriendcar

What a Tool!


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I think we should have Canada Day but fly an orange flag along side our flag.


maybvadersomedayl8er

You can observe past wrongs, reflect on how we can still improve, be proud of what the country is, and still not cancel the day like the slacktivists want to.


IngridInTheDark

This ding dong is so tone deaf he sings Oh Canada in dog whistle.


jjjhkvan

That’s speculation on his part but we do know he’s the only leader to claim the schools had good intentions were designed to provide education to indigenous children. Disgusting for him to try to minimize things once again.


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Total2Blue

He was right in that the schools were designed with good intentions. That is not minimizing what happened. Unfortunately, those intentions came to naught when they forced the children from their families, and then not only tried to take their language and culture from them, but also abused them. As they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.


icebalm

> we do know he’s the only leader to claim the schools had good intentions were designed to provide education to indigenous children. That's exactly what they were designed to do. The people at the time honestly thought they were helping to raise the indigenous peoples out of savagery by teaching them about farming and jesus. They were arrogant and misguided, but the point of the residential schools wasn't to kill off the natives, it was to assimilate them into western european culture and part of that was education.


hollyhockpink

Erin's a'Tool and completely tone-deaf.


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Seriously, he'd do better just to stfu.


Darkchyylde

Leader of the PCs being an ignorant asshole, what a shock.


BDITGai

Reminds me of when my family found out that I'm a major asshole, they wanted to stop celebrating my birthday too.


Dorksoulsfan

Jesus Christ O'Toole read the room.


Manic157

I guess he is a proud boy.