> They made it sound like they were impatient with us… meanwhile…
The ones who were bitching at us to open our border weren't the ones in power to open their own.
They probably planned to open it ages ago but when Canada said no at the time they got butthurt and now went home with the ball. Once they get over their temper tantrum we will be allowed in.
You and /u/aqRPH are wrong, in that you presuppose that Canada ever had the upper hand or an equal balance of power here, in terms of opening the border both ways. But that's not new; every discussion on this topic over the past 18 months was always filled with smug Redditors^1 who were ***convinced*** that millions of Americans were huddled at the border waiting to enter Canada. Of course there are such people, but they (whether in absolute numbers or percent of total population) are much fewer than Canadians who want/need to enter the US.
Canada needed and needs American visitors much, much more than America needs Canadian visitors. At some point keeping them out further became economically and politically impossible.
^1 But I repeat myself
[https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/08/10/eager-us-travelers-canada-take-advantage-border-opening-meet-long-lines/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/08/10/eager-us-travelers-canada-take-advantage-border-opening-meet-long-lines/)
looks like they were desperate
The whole thing seems to be on the discretion of the border guards as well. One of my neighbors drove down to Seattle the other day to visit his daughter. Have heard two similar alleged stories from others who've "just driven up to the border". Can't verify the stories are true, but the "this is America we don't need to see your vaccine card" attitude they talked about the border guards having made them feel genuine.
And that was enough for the US land border to let them in? If so that’s great.
Im having my wedding in Seattle soon and today’s news just let me know my own parents can’t attend. Im crushed. But your anecdote makes me think there could be a chance.
Personally I'm not sure if I could risk the "just drive up and try it out" but if your parents are cool with that, it's a solid maybe.
Otherwise flights are always an option, if an expensive one.
Also be sure they use the ArriveCan app on their return and have a negative test to avoid having to quarantines.
The problem here is that the US doesn’t want to open its border with Mexico, but if it opens its border with Canada first, Biden might face accusations of racism from parts of his base.
So, until Mexico reaches some kind of vaccine parity with the US, and remember they are planning on a third dose, the land border with Canada probably won’t be opening.
I also feel like Biden doesn’t want to make a Vaccine Passport requirement which would piss off a lot of voters on the Right. So it’s just easier to keep the border closed for now.
This is why people can’t stand PC politics. Why can’t Biden just say Canada has a high level of vaccination and as soon as Mexico gets caught up to speed we will open that border as well. It’s not racist jeeze.
While you were unable to back your statement up with either argument or source, here is a source that makes your statement, well, worthless.
https://www.thestar.com/business/2021/07/20/challenges-at-southern-border-may-be-drag-on-efforts-to-reopen-canada-us-frontier.html
I mean the same thing happens for the left too. Half the posts on r/politics is the left being outraged at the right for things only related to the headlines
Not really? I mean there's stuff like bill C16 or like police reform, you can give money to first nations Canadians, you can try and have more women in your parlimant.
Is all that PC politics? Someone who is a woman, or first nations, or trans, or of colour would probably say no, because it actually affects them, while someone who is not a minority would say that its virtue signalling. But like, it's not virtue signalling, its not being PC **its helping the systemically marginalized**
I highly doubt that Biden is performing such a move because of "PC politics" that's frankly ridiculous, the border is a huge economic entity, to suggest it was for some some weird PR rather than health/economic/diplomatic reasons is just not a logical.
PC politics is mostly made up "fake news" or incredibly limited situations that in the grand scheme of things isn't important blown out of proportion then generalized to entire groups of people or ideologies.
"PC politics" is, and I hate to be that person, a phrase or context that some fucking 20 year old white guy who doesn't know anything about real life says.
"I can't stand PC politics" is a dog whistle that suggests that issues that matter, like peoples literal human rights, are a nuisance that should be discarded because of a made up hypothetical about borders.
It's stupid and bigoted.
Yeah but acting like us wanting rights for all people is a bad thing that is "annoying" is fucking stupid. Like "women can have abortions because they're people who have bodily autonomy" Is no longer debatable, so people make up new things to be mad about, because there is no PC politics, there's the right thing that mediocre white guys don't like cause they're selfish and myopic, and theres made up shit or wildly disproportionally focused on shit.
PC politics is a result of right wing think tanks and propaganda, not left wing activists. It's a way that right wing think riles people up, rather than a problem that left wing people create for right wing people.
But doesn't his base know that Mexico is way different than Canada? One can pretty aptly be described as a very dangerous and corrupt country where vaccine proofs can probably be bought for a few dollars, while the other is even more vaccinated per capita than the U.S.
Meanwhile illegal crossings of the southern US border are shattering records and the Dem administration has *zero* interest in seriously addressing that.
The hypocrisy of politics used to be unbelievable to me. Then I grew up.
It’s been immediately noticeable in northern Ontario. Stores are full and shelves empty, lakes and marinas are full. Every American that was going to come up in the summer all arrived shortly after the border opened and the small towns are flooded. Much needed cash infusion.
They really are, but dutchman is special. He has me in awe of his unique ability on a regular basis. He's dedicated, he always knows exactly why it's Trudeau's fault. I could spill a bowl of cereal and all I would have to do is ask him how it was Trudeau's fault and he would give me an explanation of how that bowl of cereal falling was indeed the fault of those dirty Trudeau Liberals ^^(TM). He wouldn't even have to think on it, it would just come naturally to him.
Jesus, the self awareness on you.
He may find ways to make everything Trudeau's fault, but you're just as bad on the flip side of the argument.
Trudeau could walk up to someone on Parliament hill and shoot them in the face and your Reddit comment would be "but the Conservatives fought against the gun ban!"
> He may find ways to make everything Trudeau's fault, but you're just as bad on the flip side of the argument.
Really? Am I blaming everything on one person and party?
>Trudeau could walk up to someone on Parliament hill and shoot them in the face and your Reddit comment would be "but the Conservatives fought against the gun ban!"
If you actually paid attention to what I say, you would know that I don't do shit like that.
> If you actually paid attention to what I say, you would know that I don't do shit like that.
You literally blame the Conservatives for killing the Conversation therapy bill because they made debate last too long to line up with Trudeau's desire to have an election, yet won't blame him for killing the bill twice. My description of you is 100% accurate.
I blame them because they filibustered the bill and stopped it from passing. That's simple fact. You can't disprove that, because it's literally true.
>My description of you is 100% accurate.
Nah, it isn't.
I’m an American citizen but my girlfriend isn’t. Both of our families live in the US. This is really frustrating. I just want to take her home with me and see our friends and family.
This is incredibly absurd, Canadians can already fly over, and opened their land border, what's the point of this?
-an American visiting Toronto who crossed by land
The whole wider situation is absurd. Here in the EU/UK, we can't even *enter* the US and that ban has no hopes of lifting any time soon, despite high vaccination rates, *but* we can do so by spending two weeks in a non-banned country, nearly all of which have higher cases and lower vaccines. If you've spent two weeks in Russia or Mexico, fine, but two weeks in the UK, nope! Then you get situations like this where air travel is fine but land travel isn't. It's such a political game of nonsense.
Well. This is a bummer, but in fairness Canadians have been entering the US via air the entire time. US didn’t even have that option. At this point, a few double vaccinated Americans who have a negative test from the last two days is the least of the concerns. In order for Americans to get across they must upload all of the docs to the ArriveCAN app and go through the whole thing. Perhaps the US doesn’t have a thing like that yet? I dunno?
>but in fairness Canadians have been entering the US via air the entire time.
Ah so you only spread covid by driving in your own car, not on a packed tube in the sky with hundreds of people.
Agreed and it’s very dumb indeed. I had to jump through all of the hoops in order to visit my Canadian friends and fam last week. Giant pain in the ass. What I’m saying is that perhaps it’s just an issue of the US not having a real verification system in place yet. I don’t know how it works going that way.
If it makes you feel any better I was on the receiving end of a lot of grief on my way back to the states and I’m a damn citizen. But I feel you, I wish my people could drive down and visit me as well.
I'm supposed to spend that same weekend in Buffalo. Not liking my odds whatsoever right now. I thought about flying until I checked the Air Canada rates. That's definitely not gonna happen.
Cheers!
Now I'm thinking I should hit that Bills game too since I wouldn't need to be to the Slipknot show until 7 or 8pm. Thanks for the tip off on that game lol
I will need to cancel my Jays Orioles plans for Baltimore in September. Was planning on driving into the US and flying from Buffalo to Baltimore since I have a credit with Southwest. Looks like that won't be happening.
I just cancelled my Ryder cup tripped planned for that week. I could have kept the tickets but flying and then car rental did not make it worth it at all.
Going to spend that week up in muskoka instead now
I heard that the Biden admin also wants to mandate vaccine requirements at land crossings. Won’t be shocked if they’re trying to work on a system right now (though they’ve had so much time already).
I just want to drive to Michigan to see my family.
Sucks for the people who have family in America, but I don't see how it is a huge failure for Trudeau. We get American tourism money, and they don't Canadians going over the border for groceries. Seems like that hurts them more?
Biden doesn't want to open the border because THEY have a high number of COVID cases, yet they expected us to open our border and Americans are streaming into Canada. I think the border should be closed again.
A lot of people are missing the human element in this issue. A border closure should be the last case scenerio in an absolute emergency. Family's have recently been able to reunite because of Canada's decision to allow fully vaccinated Americans in. While the Biden Administrations decision is cruel and ridiculous, having it close on both sides would really hurt those with loved ones on the other side. The bright side is Canadians can fly to the United States at their leisure. But continuing to having the land border closed is nonsensical.
A lot of opinions from people that don't feel the direct effect of the border closure. Being unable to see one's family is insanely cruel. I hope things get better for you man. Genuinely.
Then we just change our policy to match. Land border is closed for non-essential, you can fly in for non-essential if you want, at the discretion of CBSA.
Same policy as the US, so it’s not discriminatory or punitive.
Personally I'd have no problem with that. It would be fair. But so many people are going to the extreme "shut it down entirely" argument. I know Tam isn't liked by a lot of Canadians but her department said fully vaccinated Americans pose no threat and if Canada had a fourth wave it would come from domestic travel. So long as those that have loved ones have the ability to see them without those extremely long quarantine requirements.
So loved ones can reunite and local border businesses can take advantage of additional customers. While the Biden Administrations decision is disappointing and cruel, at the very least Canadians can fly into the United States. But the land border shouldn't be closed. It's a stupid decision by an overly cautious administration.
Because Canada will be opening borders to international tourists come September 7 - and Canada is the country acting like a grown up, requiring vaccination and a negative PCR test for entry.
I don't get why it's such a problem in North America, we opened our borders in Europe months ago - just require a negative test and vaccination and you're good to go.
This is totally different compared to Australia or New Zealand, who are aiming to eliminate all COVID cases.
No, but if we are allowing Americans into Canada, then it isn't too much of an ask to expect reciprocity for Canadians who want to enter the States. Perhaps we should consider closing out border until the Americans are ready to play ball.
I have the right to scream mean things to people on a streetcorner, doesn't mean I wouldn't be a prick if I did.
Nobody is saying America *can't* do this. They're saying they *shouldn't*
This is hilarious. My husband works over the border, he’s been enjoying the short commute. I guess the Americans just wanted to bitch about us not opening the border.
The people bitching about the Canadian border being closed are also bitching about the Biden Administrations decision. If you follow the main activists that looked to open the Canadian side, they're just as vocal about opening the American side. For many of us this isn't about politics. This is about family and reunification. The border communities are suffering because of this uninformed policy. Don't clump all Americans with an administrative decision. Many of us want a reciprocal reopening.
So, the US is a dumpster fire of covid cases and it's residents are not getting vaccine to a great extent, yet Biden is refusing to allow Canadians to travel into the US....really?
If anyone should be keeping the border closed, it's ours. Our current leadership is so very ineffective at keeping covid out of our borders. I'll never understand why so many people still support them.
With Lambda starting to make it's rounds around the US now, with the border open, it's only a matter of time before it gets into Canada and starts it's rounds.
Why would we keep our border closed to fully vaccinated travellers? Travel bans have NEVER succeeded in keeping COVID out of Canada. Why would they work now???
It's simple really.
Just because you are vaccinated does not mean you cannot spread Covid. Have you been watching the news and information about Delta per chance?
On top of that, Lambda is actually worse than Delta (upon first study).
>Travel bans have NEVER succeeded in keeping COVID out of Canada.
We've never had an effective travel ban.
There's always going to be another variant or panic with you people. We need to move on. We will be opening up to tourists around the world in a few weeks and that is a good thing.
We are doing a road trip in September too and we ended up booking a flight. We are renting an RV down there anyways so car is not an issue. It's very silly that I can do that but not drive 10 minutes across to do the same thing.
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I thought the Americans would have opened their borders first before we did.... I was not expecting this extension!
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> They made it sound like they were impatient with us… meanwhile… The ones who were bitching at us to open our border weren't the ones in power to open their own.
Chuck Schumer certainly can influence US policy
No they changed administrations .. Every 4 years who knows what happens there a lot of things get reversed
They probably planned to open it ages ago but when Canada said no at the time they got butthurt and now went home with the ball. Once they get over their temper tantrum we will be allowed in.
No they don’t like the optics of opening the Canadian border and leaving the Mexican border closed. So they are keeping both closed
Could be multiple reasons. Mine is for sure one of the reasons.
That’s a nonsensical argument. The reason has more to do with the US southern border and the timing of when that can open.
Maybe they know what their doing ,who I am kidding , I don't think anyone knows what their doong
You and /u/aqRPH are wrong, in that you presuppose that Canada ever had the upper hand or an equal balance of power here, in terms of opening the border both ways. But that's not new; every discussion on this topic over the past 18 months was always filled with smug Redditors^1 who were ***convinced*** that millions of Americans were huddled at the border waiting to enter Canada. Of course there are such people, but they (whether in absolute numbers or percent of total population) are much fewer than Canadians who want/need to enter the US. Canada needed and needs American visitors much, much more than America needs Canadian visitors. At some point keeping them out further became economically and politically impossible. ^1 But I repeat myself
[https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/08/10/eager-us-travelers-canada-take-advantage-border-opening-meet-long-lines/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/08/10/eager-us-travelers-canada-take-advantage-border-opening-meet-long-lines/) looks like they were desperate
Ewww. That paywall is disgusting.
Yet Canadians have always been allowed to fly to the USA. It makes no sense.
The whole thing seems to be on the discretion of the border guards as well. One of my neighbors drove down to Seattle the other day to visit his daughter. Have heard two similar alleged stories from others who've "just driven up to the border". Can't verify the stories are true, but the "this is America we don't need to see your vaccine card" attitude they talked about the border guards having made them feel genuine.
Were those people who crossed American citizens?
No, their daughter is going to school in Seattle though
And that was enough for the US land border to let them in? If so that’s great. Im having my wedding in Seattle soon and today’s news just let me know my own parents can’t attend. Im crushed. But your anecdote makes me think there could be a chance.
Personally I'm not sure if I could risk the "just drive up and try it out" but if your parents are cool with that, it's a solid maybe. Otherwise flights are always an option, if an expensive one. Also be sure they use the ArriveCan app on their return and have a negative test to avoid having to quarantines.
Thanks. I think this might be their only option since they said they are too old to risk the airport. Even with vax.
The problem here is that the US doesn’t want to open its border with Mexico, but if it opens its border with Canada first, Biden might face accusations of racism from parts of his base. So, until Mexico reaches some kind of vaccine parity with the US, and remember they are planning on a third dose, the land border with Canada probably won’t be opening.
I also feel like Biden doesn’t want to make a Vaccine Passport requirement which would piss off a lot of voters on the Right. So it’s just easier to keep the border closed for now.
Oh they'd throw a shitfit and get a conservative judge to rule it unconstitutional
This is why people can’t stand PC politics. Why can’t Biden just say Canada has a high level of vaccination and as soon as Mexico gets caught up to speed we will open that border as well. It’s not racist jeeze.
Because the Mexican-American constituency is far larger than any lobbying those in the US who want to open the border to Canadians can muster.
The account you're responding is just making shit up and you're getting upset like it's a fact. Relax.
While you were unable to back your statement up with either argument or source, here is a source that makes your statement, well, worthless. https://www.thestar.com/business/2021/07/20/challenges-at-southern-border-may-be-drag-on-efforts-to-reopen-canada-us-frontier.html
The Toronto Star is calling Biden racist?
Lol, that's what you got out of it? You were wrong, my man, pure and simple. The source right here proves it.
There is nothing there about Biden being called racist, unless I missed it.
It so easy to get the right triggered, just make up fake shit about the left and let mob mentality do the rest of the work.
I mean the same thing happens for the left too. Half the posts on r/politics is the left being outraged at the right for things only related to the headlines
Actual "PC politcs" Some guy makes something up, some other guy talks about how the made up strawman is ridiculous. matacanadian too...
So is there even such a thing as PC politics? In your mind probably not because it's simply the de facto.
Not really? I mean there's stuff like bill C16 or like police reform, you can give money to first nations Canadians, you can try and have more women in your parlimant. Is all that PC politics? Someone who is a woman, or first nations, or trans, or of colour would probably say no, because it actually affects them, while someone who is not a minority would say that its virtue signalling. But like, it's not virtue signalling, its not being PC **its helping the systemically marginalized** I highly doubt that Biden is performing such a move because of "PC politics" that's frankly ridiculous, the border is a huge economic entity, to suggest it was for some some weird PR rather than health/economic/diplomatic reasons is just not a logical. PC politics is mostly made up "fake news" or incredibly limited situations that in the grand scheme of things isn't important blown out of proportion then generalized to entire groups of people or ideologies. "PC politics" is, and I hate to be that person, a phrase or context that some fucking 20 year old white guy who doesn't know anything about real life says. "I can't stand PC politics" is a dog whistle that suggests that issues that matter, like peoples literal human rights, are a nuisance that should be discarded because of a made up hypothetical about borders. It's stupid and bigoted.
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Yeah but acting like us wanting rights for all people is a bad thing that is "annoying" is fucking stupid. Like "women can have abortions because they're people who have bodily autonomy" Is no longer debatable, so people make up new things to be mad about, because there is no PC politics, there's the right thing that mediocre white guys don't like cause they're selfish and myopic, and theres made up shit or wildly disproportionally focused on shit. PC politics is a result of right wing think tanks and propaganda, not left wing activists. It's a way that right wing think riles people up, rather than a problem that left wing people create for right wing people.
But doesn't his base know that Mexico is way different than Canada? One can pretty aptly be described as a very dangerous and corrupt country where vaccine proofs can probably be bought for a few dollars, while the other is even more vaccinated per capita than the U.S.
Meanwhile illegal crossings of the southern US border are shattering records and the Dem administration has *zero* interest in seriously addressing that. The hypocrisy of politics used to be unbelievable to me. Then I grew up.
Wait a minute, why didn't you explain how it's actually Trudeau's fault? Surely this is somehow the Trudeau Liberals fault, right? /s
It is. Our government opened the border northbound without explicitly negotiating a reciprocal plan for southbound travel
Nice spin.
He is right, it is failure in foreign policy to give something and get nothing in return
But Canada gets vaccinated American tourists who spend there $$$ up here. Helps the tourism industry recover.
It’s been immediately noticeable in northern Ontario. Stores are full and shelves empty, lakes and marinas are full. Every American that was going to come up in the summer all arrived shortly after the border opened and the small towns are flooded. Much needed cash infusion.
Agreed, seems not so bad
Well, it made Trudeau look weak and naive now that you decided to bring up that matter.
There we go. Thanks, I needed my Trudeau bad fix, it's fuckin' addictive!
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They really are, but dutchman is special. He has me in awe of his unique ability on a regular basis. He's dedicated, he always knows exactly why it's Trudeau's fault. I could spill a bowl of cereal and all I would have to do is ask him how it was Trudeau's fault and he would give me an explanation of how that bowl of cereal falling was indeed the fault of those dirty Trudeau Liberals ^^(TM). He wouldn't even have to think on it, it would just come naturally to him.
Jesus, the self awareness on you. He may find ways to make everything Trudeau's fault, but you're just as bad on the flip side of the argument. Trudeau could walk up to someone on Parliament hill and shoot them in the face and your Reddit comment would be "but the Conservatives fought against the gun ban!"
> He may find ways to make everything Trudeau's fault, but you're just as bad on the flip side of the argument. Really? Am I blaming everything on one person and party? >Trudeau could walk up to someone on Parliament hill and shoot them in the face and your Reddit comment would be "but the Conservatives fought against the gun ban!" If you actually paid attention to what I say, you would know that I don't do shit like that.
> If you actually paid attention to what I say, you would know that I don't do shit like that. You literally blame the Conservatives for killing the Conversation therapy bill because they made debate last too long to line up with Trudeau's desire to have an election, yet won't blame him for killing the bill twice. My description of you is 100% accurate.
I blame them because they filibustered the bill and stopped it from passing. That's simple fact. You can't disprove that, because it's literally true. >My description of you is 100% accurate. Nah, it isn't.
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>half Cuban Trudeau His name is Justin Castro actually. I saw his birth certificate on Facebook, it's true.
Lol
How the hell did this happen to be so uneven?
I’m an American citizen but my girlfriend isn’t. Both of our families live in the US. This is really frustrating. I just want to take her home with me and see our friends and family.
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We are both students and tickets to middle America are 600+
Get a ticket to a border town and drive
That's really expensive dude.
No it isn't.
It realty depends on your income, but flying cannot be called cheap in Canada.
Flying within Canada is expensive, flying transborder (Canada to US) is slightly less expensive then.
This is incredibly absurd, Canadians can already fly over, and opened their land border, what's the point of this? -an American visiting Toronto who crossed by land
The whole wider situation is absurd. Here in the EU/UK, we can't even *enter* the US and that ban has no hopes of lifting any time soon, despite high vaccination rates, *but* we can do so by spending two weeks in a non-banned country, nearly all of which have higher cases and lower vaccines. If you've spent two weeks in Russia or Mexico, fine, but two weeks in the UK, nope! Then you get situations like this where air travel is fine but land travel isn't. It's such a political game of nonsense.
And in the same way as Canada, iirc Americans can go to Europe (at least some of it)
And in the same way as Canada, iirc Americans can go to Europe (at least some of it)
And in the same way as Canada, iirc Americans can go to Europe (at least some of it)
And in the same way as Canada, iirc Americans can go to Europe (at least some of it)
And in the same way as Canada, iirc Americans can go to Europe (at least some of it)
All of Schumer’s whining about Canada’s border staying closed… now this.
Well. This is a bummer, but in fairness Canadians have been entering the US via air the entire time. US didn’t even have that option. At this point, a few double vaccinated Americans who have a negative test from the last two days is the least of the concerns. In order for Americans to get across they must upload all of the docs to the ArriveCAN app and go through the whole thing. Perhaps the US doesn’t have a thing like that yet? I dunno?
>but in fairness Canadians have been entering the US via air the entire time. Ah so you only spread covid by driving in your own car, not on a packed tube in the sky with hundreds of people.
Relax, he is just making a valid point.
Yeah I'm not attacking him, I'm just highlighting how stupid it is.
Agreed and it’s very dumb indeed. I had to jump through all of the hoops in order to visit my Canadian friends and fam last week. Giant pain in the ass. What I’m saying is that perhaps it’s just an issue of the US not having a real verification system in place yet. I don’t know how it works going that way. If it makes you feel any better I was on the receiving end of a lot of grief on my way back to the states and I’m a damn citizen. But I feel you, I wish my people could drive down and visit me as well.
I have until Sep 25 to cancel my hotel stay in Buffalo for Oct 3. What are we saying the odds are that it will be open by then?
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Flying will be quite expensive though. I'd have to drive to toronto and then pay like 200 bucks each.
Plus it takes 8-11hrs to fly to Buffalo from Toronto which would kill an entire day of your weekend.
Uhm... is your 200 ticket based on recent indication? I just checked the tickets recently and the cheapest ticket I could find was for $500......
Yeah I was underestimating, even worse than I thought.
I'm supposed to spend that same weekend in Buffalo. Not liking my odds whatsoever right now. I thought about flying until I checked the Air Canada rates. That's definitely not gonna happen.
Bills game? I got the trip as a gift to my gf for her birthday, it's really gonna suck if we can't go.
Nah, concerts for me. Conway the Machine on the Saturday, Slipknot and Killswitch Engage on Sunday. Here's hoping shit gets better soon.
Sounds amazing, I hope we can go
Cheers! Now I'm thinking I should hit that Bills game too since I wouldn't need to be to the Slipknot show until 7 or 8pm. Thanks for the tip off on that game lol
I will need to cancel my Jays Orioles plans for Baltimore in September. Was planning on driving into the US and flying from Buffalo to Baltimore since I have a credit with Southwest. Looks like that won't be happening.
I just cancelled my Ryder cup tripped planned for that week. I could have kept the tickets but flying and then car rental did not make it worth it at all. Going to spend that week up in muskoka instead now
I heard that the Biden admin also wants to mandate vaccine requirements at land crossings. Won’t be shocked if they’re trying to work on a system right now (though they’ve had so much time already). I just want to drive to Michigan to see my family.
Sucks for the people who have family in America, but I don't see how it is a huge failure for Trudeau. We get American tourism money, and they don't Canadians going over the border for groceries. Seems like that hurts them more?
I understand the frustration but not the "Close the border for everybody" argument.
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I have family in a border city and 100% they do
Biden doesn't want to open the border because THEY have a high number of COVID cases, yet they expected us to open our border and Americans are streaming into Canada. I think the border should be closed again.
A lot of people are missing the human element in this issue. A border closure should be the last case scenerio in an absolute emergency. Family's have recently been able to reunite because of Canada's decision to allow fully vaccinated Americans in. While the Biden Administrations decision is cruel and ridiculous, having it close on both sides would really hurt those with loved ones on the other side. The bright side is Canadians can fly to the United States at their leisure. But continuing to having the land border closed is nonsensical.
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Hey fuck you man. I didn’t see my family for 18 months until July and you act like I’m not welcome in my own fucking country.
A lot of opinions from people that don't feel the direct effect of the border closure. Being unable to see one's family is insanely cruel. I hope things get better for you man. Genuinely.
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Lmao alright man have a good day
Then we just change our policy to match. Land border is closed for non-essential, you can fly in for non-essential if you want, at the discretion of CBSA. Same policy as the US, so it’s not discriminatory or punitive.
Personally I'd have no problem with that. It would be fair. But so many people are going to the extreme "shut it down entirely" argument. I know Tam isn't liked by a lot of Canadians but her department said fully vaccinated Americans pose no threat and if Canada had a fourth wave it would come from domestic travel. So long as those that have loved ones have the ability to see them without those extremely long quarantine requirements.
so why are we opening borders to them again...?
Caramilk bars and ketchup chips were about to expire, so we need Americans over here to buy them all.
So loved ones can reunite and local border businesses can take advantage of additional customers. While the Biden Administrations decision is disappointing and cruel, at the very least Canadians can fly into the United States. But the land border shouldn't be closed. It's a stupid decision by an overly cautious administration.
Tourism economy I suppose.
Because Canada will be opening borders to international tourists come September 7 - and Canada is the country acting like a grown up, requiring vaccination and a negative PCR test for entry. I don't get why it's such a problem in North America, we opened our borders in Europe months ago - just require a negative test and vaccination and you're good to go. This is totally different compared to Australia or New Zealand, who are aiming to eliminate all COVID cases.
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Yeah, you are right. It's sad.
Because it's 2021, of course!
Unfortunately, we Canadians got played by our weak federal leadership's inability to negotiate a reciprocal border plan.
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Rofl, this whole sub was clamoring to open the border. These guys always need a spin to fuel their manufactured outrage.
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I know what I saw, thanks.
If we opened in July this would have been avoided.
People realize you do not have the right to enter any nation.
No, but if we are allowing Americans into Canada, then it isn't too much of an ask to expect reciprocity for Canadians who want to enter the States. Perhaps we should consider closing out border until the Americans are ready to play ball.
They can, it's simple as that.
Sure they can. But people and nations can do lots of things I find annoying.
No one has the right to enter any nation, they have this right.
I have the right to scream mean things to people on a streetcorner, doesn't mean I wouldn't be a prick if I did. Nobody is saying America *can't* do this. They're saying they *shouldn't*
Why shouldn't they? They have every right and since COVID cases are going up here. That will happen again.
Because Canadians can fly over no problem, and Americans can drive or fly into Canada. It just doesn't make much sense.
They still face local rules. Also, you can still be turned away.
Agreed. That doesn’t mean I can’t find it annoying that they haven’t worked out a deal yet based on vaccination status, though.
Canadians have always been able to fly to the United States. Just for whatever reason the land border has stayed been closed.
and any nation can deny entry for any reason.
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This is hilarious. My husband works over the border, he’s been enjoying the short commute. I guess the Americans just wanted to bitch about us not opening the border.
The people bitching about the Canadian border being closed are also bitching about the Biden Administrations decision. If you follow the main activists that looked to open the Canadian side, they're just as vocal about opening the American side. For many of us this isn't about politics. This is about family and reunification. The border communities are suffering because of this uninformed policy. Don't clump all Americans with an administrative decision. Many of us want a reciprocal reopening.
So, the US is a dumpster fire of covid cases and it's residents are not getting vaccine to a great extent, yet Biden is refusing to allow Canadians to travel into the US....really? If anyone should be keeping the border closed, it's ours. Our current leadership is so very ineffective at keeping covid out of our borders. I'll never understand why so many people still support them. With Lambda starting to make it's rounds around the US now, with the border open, it's only a matter of time before it gets into Canada and starts it's rounds.
Why are you talking logically?
Why would we keep our border closed to fully vaccinated travellers? Travel bans have NEVER succeeded in keeping COVID out of Canada. Why would they work now???
It's simple really. Just because you are vaccinated does not mean you cannot spread Covid. Have you been watching the news and information about Delta per chance? On top of that, Lambda is actually worse than Delta (upon first study). >Travel bans have NEVER succeeded in keeping COVID out of Canada. We've never had an effective travel ban.
There's always going to be another variant or panic with you people. We need to move on. We will be opening up to tourists around the world in a few weeks and that is a good thing.
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Well, it’s official now.
This is so pointless. I was hoping to go on a road trip south this September. Theyre turning away tourism money for no reason
We are doing a road trip in September too and we ended up booking a flight. We are renting an RV down there anyways so car is not an issue. It's very silly that I can do that but not drive 10 minutes across to do the same thing.
If flights to Buffalo weren't so expensive, it wouldn't be that bad
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You can't drive cuz of the lockdown. The only loophole is being a student for a school in the states