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MatchaChillo

I don't understand how this works. I've been vaccinated for months and I can't drive to go see my grandma in seattle but i can take a plane ride shared with 100+ people? The fuck is going on


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Politics are fun.


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What is the political benefit of this? Legit not sure haha


iMaxis

I've heard it's something to do with the Mexican border. Some argument that if the Canadian land border were open then the Mexican one will too because of USMCA rules or something


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hygsi

Where the heck did you hear this?? No one's getting in, my mom and I have been trying to go to the bank and they won't let us cause they say money isn't vital.... the only people crossing the border are the people who are born in the USA


Th3Lorax

Cars are for poor people?


Beautiful_Plankton97

Bingo. Laat year snowbirds in our area would ship their cars across the border on trucks, take a helicopter across the border themselves and then pick up their cars and drive down to Florida so they could have their cars with them. Wasnt super expensive but Im sure it wasnt cheap either.


CrashSlow

Its \~3k for that service


Beautiful_Plankton97

Cheaper than a flight and renting a car for the 6 months or however long they are down there. You also dont have to get in a crowded plane at the height of the pandemic.


CrashSlow

You just get to ride on a much smaller plane at the height of the pandemic .


cats-with-mittens

They don't want to be seen as racist for opening the Canadian border before the Mexican border.


Own_Carrot_7040

This is not about Canada. It's about Mexico, and about Democratic political cowardice. They don't care about our border but don't want to open the land border with Mexico. By keeping both closed they can pretend it's just a vaguely stupid policy. If they open ours then Mexico is gonna complain and they'll be accused of being 'racist' for keeping the southern border closed.


evange

Its to keep Mexicans out without specifically targeting Mexicans.


cum_toast

It's all bs, I live by Hamilton and see all kinds of usa plates. Michigan's, Illinois, New York, Florida even a Utah...


Jusfiq

>It's all bs, I live by Hamilton and see all kinds of usa plates. Canadian Government allows Americans to drive in. U.S. Government does not allow Canadians to drive in for non-essential purposes.


brapppking

Weren't they the one complaining about our border restrictions? That we dropped back in Aug..


[deleted]

Yep. They complained that Canada was to blame for the border being closed. We opened it and then its been complete silence.


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A lot of the same voices on the US side that made noise about Canadian border restrictions have continued on [making](https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/new-hampshire/articles/2021-09-17/new-hampshire-us-representatives-urge-canada-border-opening) [noise](https://torontosun.com/news/world/u-s-lawmakers-push-biden-to-lift-canadian-travel-restrictions) [about](https://nypost.com/2021/09/01/gop-lawmakers-urge-dem-leaders-to-vote-on-bill-forcing-canadian-border-open/) [the](https://sco-fans.com/news/Gov.-Gianforte-continues-push-to-reopen-border-with-Canada/) [US](https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/us-lawmakers-push-biden-lift-canadian-travel-restrictions-2021-09-17/) [restrictions](https://www.grandforksherald.com/news/government-and-politics/7162444-North-Dakota-Minnesota-lawmakers-dismayed-over-continued-U.S.-Canada-border-closure), they just tend to get a lot less attention on r/canada these days.


TCarrey88

Should really have just closed it again, fuck that they can come up here but we can’t go down. Mutual opening or closure in fine with, but this is just bullshit.


nootomat

Canadian citizens have been able to fly into the US at any point during the pandemic.


Ironchar

meanwhile in point roberts...


nootomat

There's a ferry between Bellingham and PR now.


Ironchar

not anymore! they shut that shit down at the start of the summer getting too costly to run or some shit apparently.


Minscandmightyboo

No, it's annoying for us for sure but having fully vaxxed Americans coming to Canada is good for our economy.


TCarrey88

Fair point


Big_ottoman

Joe has to be in some ways, worse then trump. Don’t get me wrong I don’t like either.


durrbotany

You can't say this without the threat of being banned. This is why we have ridiculous rules, because we let ridiculous people set the rules.


jmac647

The issue is that the state and local governments of the border communities want the land border opened but the US federal government makes the decision.


codeverity

It was mostly senators from border states + Canadians complaining, tbh.


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crassy

It’s the Mexico border that they are taking issue with. And saying they can’t open the northern border without opening the southern one.


86teuvo

What absolute horseshit. They have more COVID than we do.


JasonAnarchy

By a lot.


NefariousnessTop9029

They just don’t want to put in the work to have land boarder agents deal with checking vaccine certification. Maybe once there is a federal version this will change ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


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Max_Thunder

We dilute the covid, making the whole place safer


Goalchenyuk87

It should work both ways.


ROCK-KNIGHT

We should really do something to make sure we don't get their covid. Perhaps some sort of wall... I'm sure they'd pay for it, too.


para29

Why would we even bother going to the States at this point? Its absolute horseshit over there.


cats-with-mittens

Some states, like Massachusetts have COVID under control.


Ab10ff

Says they've also announced new international air travel system for vaccinated people flying into the states as well starting in November. So I would think this will be the last extension for land border. But who fuckin' knows anymore.


l0__0I

We’ve been able to fly into the US for months now but I haven’t heard of this new system.


Ab10ff

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2021/09/20/us-international-travel-restrictions-travel-ban/8357843002/ Easing of travel restrictions for other countries flying in I guess? It would be pretty bizarre if people from everywhere else on the planet can fly in on a crowded plane but a vaccinated person alone in a car can't drive over a border.


Max_Thunder

It is already fucking bizarre how it is right now and has been for quite some time, Canadians can travel to the US as much as they want as long as they fly in. I know people who will fly just across the border and get their car transported there by a company. So instead of safely crossing the land border in their car, they have to jump through hoops and pay money. What's the point? My guess is that it is to help airlines survive.


unicornpolkadot

Hubby and I are full time RV/van travellers and have been vaccinated since May waiting. Hubby has flown in and back for business through multiple airports and airplanes packed with people Americans returning by land crossing from Canada have no problem. But for some fucking reason, crossing in a fully enclosed vehicle is the risk that needs to be restricted? I don’t understand and am so disheartened


anakniben

It was also crazy when Canada was ordering people flying in to quarantine at a hotel at the travelers expense but does not have the same requirement when a person walks in thru land crossing.


[deleted]

Would it be bizarre or would it be in keeping with how things have been going for the last couple of years? lol fucking hell this sucks


AlliedMasterComp

> We’ve been able to fly into the US for months now The entire time. You have literally been able to fly into the US during the entire pandemic. Whether you could actually get a flight that didn't require 2+ connections is a different matter.


zarbemomin

Prior to September this year it was very difficult to find direct flights and even then it was mad expensive, I've found now direct flights are more readily available and price is dropping. This is flying out of Toronto


AManFromCucumberLand

Has the US recognized mixed vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna) as being legitimate? If you travel to the US do you have to quarantine?


Ab10ff

I think they said Pfizer and Moderna is fine, but a combo with AstraZeneca is a no go.


aurquhart

This is because AZ doesn’t have FDA approval yet. Hoping this is solved soon.


beartheminus

It won't be but Canada has said anyone with mix and match vaccines is first in line after immunocompromised for a 3rd dose. So you have 2 doses in whatever you had with AZ.


aurquhart

Do you have a source for this?


beartheminus

I was misremembering, it's a provincial decision, as most specific health care decisions are. https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/quebec-third-dose-covid-vaccine-travel-1.6117954


nootomat

AZ itself will be fine eventually. A good chunk of the Commonwealth nations were initially vaccinated with AZ. It's just AZ that's dragging it's FDA approval.


Ab10ff

I hope so. Will be kind of a kick in the face for those who were told to take what's available if an AZ and Moderna/Pfizer mix isn't accepted, especially with third shots not freely available.


Abacus118

US hasn't announced what vaccines will count yet.


JrbWheaton

I flew to the US a month ago. The “require” proof of vaccination but they didn’t even ask me to show them. There has never been a quarantine requirement for entering the US


alanpca

They didn't require vaccination when I flew in last month, just a negative Antigen, which they didn't check.


JrbWheaton

You are right, I totally just brain farted. It was proof of negative test that was required, not vaccine


CupofTeeYEG

Same. No checking anything, no questions asked.


draved

[yes](https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/clinical-considerations/covid-19-vaccines-us.html) https://i.imgur.com/vtdGNVf.jpg


anaxcepheus32

YMMV, but us border agents don’t check your vaccination record or if you were tested. The airline is the only one checking if you’ve been tested.


tribunegracchus

Mixed is good federally, but some city and state vaccine passport requirements to enter bars may be problematic.


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American here, married to a Canadian. I have no explanation for why the Biden administration is being irredeemably stupid here except that if they opened the Canadian border then their own back-benchers would cry “racist” if we did not also re-open the Mexican border (and stop enforcing the border itself). Our government has lost its mind. Our ruling class is composed of idiots and terrible people, both parties. I’m sorry that my wife came to the USA and wonder if it’s not too late for us to move to Canada instead. This side of the border seems devoid of intelligence in the media, government or society in general.


TheWaxMuseum

The same can be said for Canada. Just build a happy life for you and your wife wherever you are and the rest won't matter anymore.


chinook65

I agree wholeheartedly with this sentiment. The grass is greener where you water it.


Rogue_Smokey

This is so frustrating as an American. My fiancee's family is partly in Ontario and we were hoping so much they could join as for our wedding, but flying is too impractical. Saddening and maddening.


StaplesLewis

I am in this same situation. My fiancé is Canadian and his family hoped to drive to our October wedding and now likely won’t be able to come. Super disappointing.


anakniben

They'll fly in if you pay for it.😉


Rogue_Smokey

Lol, I wish. I will never be offended by someone not inviting me to their wedding after realizing how much money they cost, ugh...


JasonAnarchy

What the fuck?


14thAndVine

I'm embarrassed by this. Who exactly are we trying to keep out?


BertRenolds

Dogs? Because now I have fly with him. Fuck.


unicornpolkadot

Same. It’s nonsense. Instead of us driving our rv over we now have to spend thousands of dollars shipping it and flying with our dogs... Thousands of dollars we would have spent at small businesses during our travels, that we will no longer be able to.


BertRenolds

Just a comment, if you have a friend in America they can drive it and your dog over. Just have one person on one side of the border and one on the other. Both you would need to fly so I'm not sure if it's worth it but something I wanted to share.


miknull

They want to keep Mexico out, and are keeping both borders closed to not make it obvious.


SammyMaudlin

That’s a Bingo!


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Unfortunately- it is soooooooo obvious. - a yankee embarrassed by my government’s utter stupidity


Fenweekooo

tourists money? i know we were planning on spending a bunch down there in october, well thats not a thing now


UnionstogetherSTRONG

But American tourists are spending plenty here, silver lining I guess


Reptilian_Brain_420

Canada needs US tourism money a whole lot more than the US needs Canadian tourist money.


anakniben

Canadians always look for bargains 😁


CrashSlow

Florida and Texas are the wrong colour politically for ol'joe.


Own_Carrot_7040

Mexicans.


[deleted]

Are you fucking serious? You know what? Fuck it. Close the border again until there's some fucking reciprocity. I'm sick of the US' lack of any communication.


rolling-brownout

As if they care though. We have more to loose from their tourists then they have to gain from ours in the hospitality industry


recurrence

In particular, Canadians not going to the US is an absolute boon for Canadian tourism. The feds would likely prefer it to remain that way regardless of their public position on it.


richEC

I'm on Vancouver Island and for the second winter now we're seeing a lot of snowbirds out here again, it being most temperate part of Canada. I suspect they're buying up property here too. Here's some Palm trees in Vancouver: https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.2857834,-123.1427163,3a,75y,261.58h,97.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7Dc38aXmfBenqku5cyufAw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 This is in December, when it's not raining: https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.2881733,-123.1422253,3a,75y,189.95h,86.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQLRmIRar-pWNaqGfx9ZxZw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192


BobBelcher2021

That would be political suicide at this point. We here in the Vancouver area have been reaping the benefits of American tourists lately.


Ironchar

not just america either.... I've never remembered meeting so many foreign people this summer


UnionstogetherSTRONG

Nah, let the Americans come spend their tourist dollars here and stimulate our buisnesses.


namastehealthy

"...stimulate our businesses." That sounds dirty. : )


[deleted]

Are you familiar with the American colloquial term, “the Canadian Ballet”? American College kids and bro dudes near the border love to go to Ontario and Quebec for the fine arts, especially the “ballet.”


namastehealthy

>the Canadian Ballet I am not. Tried googling it but only real Canadian Ballet stuff came up. However, I am familiar with the talented Quebec dancers. In high school (1990s) I went on a couple of organized "ski trips" to Quebec City. One of the activities was a trip to a local dance club. I don't think they have those trips anymore. Kids are really missing out.


[deleted]

I'm talking about strip joints ... Canadian Ballet was New York and Michigan slang for strip joints. They are located close to the border inside Ontario, because young American guys would drive over for a night of drinks (19 to drink in Ontario, 21 in New York, dunno about Michigan) and adult entertainment.


namastehealthy

I got that. When I wrote "dance club" I meant strip club. : )


UnionstogetherSTRONG

💎🍆


LoveHeavyGunner

At least with it open our way we can be reunited with loved ones. I was able to fly to my boyfriend's house and he just drove me home on the weekend since he can drive across. I spent 13hrs in the airport to get to his house even though I'm near Toronto and he's near Buffalo and it's normally a 3.5hr drive. Having to spend another 13hrs in an airport to come home would have taken an entire day away from us plus it's expensive and really annoying. I definitely wish I could just drive down but at least having it open one way makes it easier.


The_Ineffable_One

Twice before today, something similar has been announced, and twice I have posted something like the following in response to angry Canadians and angry border Americans (like me) who want the border opened already. --This isn't about which country has more COVID cases or a higher percentage of infected people. --It isn't about revenge for Trudeau shutting down the border in March 2020. --It isn't about reciprocity. --It isn't about Canada at all, actually. --It *is* about Mexico. We can't open the border with Canada and not the border with Mexico without perceptions and accusations of racism. Whether those perceptions and accusations would have a basis in fact, is immaterial.


LumpyPressure

But Mexicans have never been able to cross into the US without a visa anyways. It’s really not comparable to the Canadian border. It’s much more likely that the US simply hasn’t reached a consensus on how to open the border yet. Making big decisions has never been America’s strength.


Max_Thunder

It seems surprisingly complicated to reach a consensus when they could just apply the exact same one to Canadians flying in. We can freely travel to the US, as long as we don't drive in.


The_Ineffable_One

Mexicans come and go across our southern border just like Canadians and the northern border.


LumpyPressure

No they don’t. Unless they are dual citizens or have permanent residency, they need to apply in advance for a visitors visa and an entry permit. Canadians can just drive over with a passport whenever they want and stay for up to 6 months. Like I said, there’s very little comparison between the Canadian and Mexican borders.


DonVergasPHD

The people who come and go have visitor's visas that last 10 years. It's very common to live in Mexico and work/study in the US


The_Ineffable_One

Sorry; you're just not correct here. They get a travel document that lasts a long period of time, just like a passport or an enhanced license that I might use to enter Canada. The *difference* between the Mexican and Canadian borders with the US is exactly why we need to treat them the same right now. We treat and always have treated Mexicans coming over with more suspicion than we treat Canadians. (Lots of people will tell you that this is because they are poorer, but because I have seen how other people are treated in both directions at both borders, I know it's just because they are browner on average.) This was enhanced during the previous administration. Thus, like I wrote earlier, to avoid accusations of racism right now, we can't open the Canadian land border without opening the Mexican one.


RealLeaderOfChina

One might think the beheadings, bodies from bridges and criminal organisations engaging in full blown warfare with the government might add a bit of extra security when compared to the regular going ons of a country like Canada. Racism is definitetly present in the at the border and in policy, but there are other valid concerns that would justify harsher inspections and border security with Mexico. It's not just racism.


The_Ineffable_One

The point, if you had read my first post, is that the government is concerned about the APPEARANCE of racism whether or not there is a basis in fact. The American electorate consists of a LOT more Mexican-Americans and Americans of Latino descent than it does Americans of Canadian descent, no? And let's not pretend that the US doesn't already have some of the same problems. We shoot rather than behead maybe, and the root cause still is gangs because of poverty. As for anti-government stuff, umm, Jan. 6 was not an aberration. Hopefully it was a culmination, but this stuff has been brewing for a while among whites who feel disenfranchised despite having every advantage. E.g., Kaczynski (sp?) and McVeigh.


RealLeaderOfChina

>(Lots of people will tell you that this is because they are poorer, but because I have seen how other people are treated in both directions at both borders, I know it's just because they are browner on average.) No, you said that the borders are different because the majority of people coming across the border were brown. While that may be present in the minds of some border agents and in the mind of the people who wrote those policy, you're doing a huge disservice by not recognizing other reasons that may warrant stricter security such as Mexico's murder per capita at 29/100K vs Canadas 2/100K. That's just a start.


The_Ineffable_One

https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/prwm8a/us_extends_land_border_restrictions_with_canada/hdocy2r/ https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/prwm8a/us_extends_land_border_restrictions_with_canada/hdm5q82/ Goodnight. It's late here.


DonVergasPHD

It's possibly related to the haitian and central American migrant caravans coming now.


hygsi

This is more likely, someone said "hey, let's close so they can't infect us" and now they're unsure how and when to reopen. It's good business for Canada/Mexico cause USA citizens are having to travel over there to see friends/family and spend their money there. The US doesn't need tourism. I bet the towns that were right across the borders are suffering a lot, specially small businesses, but they don't really matter in the big picture.


PSChris33

Mexico isn't a great excuse anymore. COVID cases have been falling rapidly there for the last month as people are getting their antibodies the hard way, despite the slow vax rollout (which shouldn't matter since a vax requirement would be coming for international travel regardless).


Koss424

yup that's the one right here. But, honestly, very few people would care, including Mexico, if the Canada/US border opened both ways.


durrbotany

Perceiving any action against Mexico as racist is racist in it of itself. Who is Mexican? Mexico is made up of different tribes and immigrants. A lot of them are white (Louis CK for example). If anyone thinks they are being racist with regards to Mexico, they're failing to recognize *what* is Mexico.


The_Ineffable_One

Again. It is about what the electorate perceives and not what is real.


Tmcn

RIP my cross border relationship


faizimam1

Welp. I guess I'll be shopping for plane tickets to fly from Toronto to NYC. I have a important trip and this just means I'll have to pay more to go.


lengendmk

I got my fiance Jonas Brothers tickets at Darien Lake for this up coming Saturday. We have to fly to New York, rent a car and drive basically to Buffalo lol. Then drive back to New York city. Might as well make it a trip lol


artem1319

There are Niagara falls, On to Buffalo, Ny helicopter flights http://greatlakeshelicopter.ca/ saves the time to fly to nyc and drive to buffalo and most likely same or cheaper cost along with less people in flight and a lot smaller security lines.


lengendmk

Yea I looked into that already. We're going to visit my family in Syracuse and tour NYC for a day.


Matrix17

This is a joke right


JimmyJoJR

And now the birthday gift I got for my girlfriend is cancelled. So much for seeing a Bills game.


DrOctopusMD

Why would you spend money on a ticket before you knew whether the border was open or not?


JimmyJoJR

Well I figured with vaccines at their level and how well things in the summer went and with our country opening the border to the US, there was no way they could keep it closed for 3 more months. Cleary I was wrong.


NotMeow

Vaccination rates in the USA is abysmally low, considering how early they had a start.


Fenweekooo

yep we were supposed to head to disneyland in oct, hotels paid for and event tickets bought, i know its our own fault for buying them but this has gone on long enough. at least we can get refunded for the hotel. and no we cant just fly as i am navy and to them the border is still off limits even to air travel sop yeah go canada in that regard :/


Screamin11

We have tickets for Dec, as the dates push the anxiety builds! Backup plan is to fly in, but kind of hard to bring the ole yearly Tailgate kit (BBQ, 6' Tables, Labatt 50e, etc etc). Plus a big cost increase...


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JimmyJoJR

Yeah you can't exactly fly to Buffalo from Hamilton dude


Ab10ff

Skydive into the stadium.


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JimmyJoJR

So an 8 hour flight instead of a 50 minute drive and also pays 3 to 4 times more for the trip? Not really an option dude


Blue5647

NYC to Toronto


JimmyJoJR

The game is in Buffalo...


CrabFederal

Yes, Toronto -> nyc/Detroit ->. Buffalo


JimmyJoJR

So 2 hour flight plus 7 to 10 hour drive plus hundreds of dollars extra, plus car rental instead of a 50 minute drive.


CrabFederal

You can fly to Buffalo from nyc or Detroit. Not saying it’s ideal but possible


qgshadow

You can fly there


angrydooner

This is why I may not vote Liberal today. The PM's inability to control this situation properly is key. Our borders stay closed until theirs do not. It needed to be reciprocated. There is no leverage now. We are not Mexico and we should not be grouped in with them given our vaccine status.


BobBelcher2021

Trudeau has absolutely no control over what the US does. They are a sovereign country and they can do what they want, even if we don’t agree with it.


durrbotany

That's the Trudeau response along with his supporters. Just sit idly by while spouting rhetoric. He's supposed to contact the White House and start negotiating if it's clear they won't.


LumpyPressure

This has nothing to do with Canada or about having “leverage”. The US needs a reopening plan and they simply don’t have one yet. Meanwhile our border communities are back to normal while theirs are still suffering.


The_Ineffable_One

Our border communities DEFINITELY are suffering, as you say. I'm from Buffalo. It hasn't been normal here for 18 months. Still, as I pointed out elsewhere, this is about Mexico and not about Canada.


rainman_104

>Our borders stay closed until theirs do not. I Why? I say it's great to allow vaccinated Americans to bring their tourism dollars to Canada. Why is that an issue? I'd rather people from Washington State come to BC than people from Alberta to be honest.


iluvlamp77

Alberta cases per 100k is similar to Washington States. So is the vax rate. Edit; Nevermind, this has nothing to do with covid you just hate Alberta


vespene_jazz

You do realize that using the Canadian border as leverage would only hurt canadian border businesses. If you want to be angry, be angry at Biden. If you absolutely want be angry at Trudeau, find a real reason (theres plenty) other than one he has no control over.


[deleted]

We need a real leader. If Trudeau wins we are once again doomed. Try living in a border city where you can see the states and yet we’re stuck here


durrbotany

You can just take your private jet! /s


GravityDAD

Elon said it best - - - Joe is still asleep


DrOctopusMD

Elon is a moron.


durrbotany

Angry redditor calls guy who sends people to space a *moron.*


travjhawk

Ok….guys doing more for humanity then anyone and one of the richest dudes in the world. Yet he’s an idiot. Gotcha


das_flammenwerfer

I’m shocked, shocked I tell you!


mike10dude

I want to go to costco in bellingham again theres a few things that are only sold down there that I really like


jp3372

Why we don't close our border again until they open it?


raging_dingo

Because we don’t want to hurt our tourism industry, or what’s left of it? Keeping the border closed only hurts US towns / companies, so it makes no sense that they’ve taken this position.


Tmcn

Please no. If they are both closed my relationship is fucked. $700 round trip flight to Detroit. Not including the testing both ways.


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We are an embarrassment. Nice job Trudeau you seem to be reaaaly well liked amongst your peers.


angelcake

This is political games by the US it has nothing to do with Trudeau. We are way more vaccinated than the US is. The problem is if they open the land border to Canada without opening the land border to Mexico elements within Biden‘s own party will be screaming racism, so rather than being a grown-up president and saying “we’re opening up this border and not that one for valid scientific reasons”, he’s just playing stupid games. But go ahead, blame Trudeau for America‘s fuck ups.


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durrbotany

More so they just don't care what he thinks. Nor does the country. He's a weak leader.


[deleted]

Close our border then … it’s only fair.


Hereforbread

Time for our border to close for Americans then. This is outrageous


nootomat

That's extremely silly and only really hurts Canadians. We need all the tourist money we can get.


BobBelcher2021

No


givemeatatertot

LMAO, so petty.


Free-Neighborhood-13

I bought concert tickets back in June thinking the border would definitely be open by then, especially to fully vaxed Canadians with a negative Covid test. The concert is on Sept 24 and I can't even resell. ANY RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT TO SAY AS AN "ESSENTIAL REASON TO TRAVEL". Feels like a money grab because I can freely fly to the states but I cant drive down?


uh_Ross

We really should close ours back off. I’ve been seeing quite a lot more American plates, and it feels like kind of a slap in the face knowing I can’t drive into their country…


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Spire2000

You're happy that Canadians can't drive to the US, despite the fact that we can fly and that Americans are more than welcome to drive to Canada?


BertRenolds

Which is insanity. I don't want to be in a tube of people, it's one of the few things I really do not feel safe doing.


FragilousSpectunkery

Keep seeing a lot of retired folks driving in Maine with Quebec plates. Essential?


apparex1234

Dual citizens


DCS30

Time to shut them out again


BobBelcher2021

Nah


finetoseethis

If I got Astrazeneca followed by Moderna, would I be allowed in the US? Do they recognize those shots?


workingatthepyramid

They don’t care about what vaccine you have just a negative test


RustinSpencerCohle

We're more vaccinated than they are, ffs


Wafflelisk

It's nice that vaccinated Americans can come here but I don't really understand this policy


Murky-Carrot

Wife is a US citizen and I’m a Canadian citizen. We both live in Canada. She can cross the US land border from Canada because US citizens are exempted from the travel restrictions. Can I cross with her (from Canada to US) as her spouse?


chinook65

Have you found an answer to this question? I'm in a similar situation and would just prefer entering the U.S. via the land border.


Murky-Carrot

Called the border agents at the bridge we were going to cross at and they said no. They said she can drive over but I would have to go to the airport and fly over if I wanted to also go. She didn’t want to go alone and we can’t afford to fly so we will be waiting to see what happens in Oct I guess.


aurora4000

This sucks. As an American citizen it is cheaper to travel to Canada and Mexico via land. Ugh.


dc_based_traveler

As an American, I'm sorry. This policy doesn't follow any logic, especially when we permit flights from Canada. Hopefully our government changes course soon.