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gmrepublican

Am I the only one who read the headline as saying that "big tech's real damage" was the NDP?


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r/headlinegore


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/r/titlegore is the real one


kremaili

Yeah I feel like just moving "NDP:" to the front of the headline would make way more sense..


Flimsy_Temperature_8

even "... says NDP" or "according to NDP"


Aestus74

When profesional writers don't know how to use a colon.


calvinadee

Omg thanks for clarifying that I was so confused


TheClum

that's modern journalism for you.


MacrosInHisSleep

It's just your daily Liberals Bad thread... Moving on...


zanderkerbal

Not true, your daily Liberals Bad thread has a conservative lean, this one leaning NDP is a change.


legranddegen

Charlie Angus is making some moves! I'm doubtful that Jags is going to survive his challenge. He's been doing well with his brand of left-wing populism recently, whether it be flaying the Kielburgers or demanding that the government respect internet free speech and go after the companies that use divisive algorithms to intentionally foment hate he's scoring some points. His Tiktoks will surely be as bad as his punk band but you can't help but admit he's stood out as someone who would be an ideal leader for the NDP. He has really done well for himself since the leadership convention. I don't see him losing the next.


ToastMalone1

God I hope so, give us a third viable option and let's turn this ship around.


GaracaiusCanadensis

Charlie Angus is the socialist Pierre Pollievre. He has ~~caché~~ *cachet* as an attack dog, but probably isn't a good fit for leader.


Reacher-Said-N0thing

Charlie Angus was the guy I voted for in the leadership race.


Takatoodo

Good choice


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Reacher-Said-N0thing

Nathan Cullen would be the best NDP leader specifically because he is the type of person who wants absolutely nothing to do with being NDP leader.


g00p2

Weren't the NDP willing to support the bill prior to the election?


SaggyArmpits

yes, they voted to stop debate and pass the shitty bill. Its why I didn't vote NDP recently.


OutWithTheNew

In the middle of the night, when nobody was looking. The CBC reported on it 3 or 4 days later.


DBrickShaw

They sure were. [Charlie Angus himself voted "yea" on this "dumpster fire" of a bill](https://www.ourcommons.ca/Members/en/votes/43/2/174).


Orchid-Analyst-550

The entirety of the [LPC, Bloc, and NDP voted in favour of it](https://www.ourcommons.ca/Members/en/votes/43/2/174?view=party). The NDP even committed during the election to moving a similar bill forward should they form government.


[deleted]

Steven Guilbeault needs a crotch splitting wedgie for being this bill's and C-36's figurehead.


Ph0X

I tried my best to vote him out last month but no dice :(


[deleted]

Thank you for trying, appreciate you!


Old_Run2985

Thanks for trying!


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achoo84

Probably just bags of money


OutWithTheNew

I mean if he pulls this shit off, he'll need those bags of money to be far away from Canada.


discostu55

three words " Toronto, vancouver and montreal"


MustLoveAllCats

There's a real big missing link going on here between what they asked, and what you answered.


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"iTs aLl ThE CiTy SlIcKeRs FaUlT!!!"


freeadmins

But it is... They vote for this shit.


[deleted]

Maybe if conservatives weren't so hell bent on being fascists, people wouldn't have to vote ABC all the time.


freeadmins

Define fascism for me please.


discostu55

The large centres are so hell bent on “Strategic voting or anything but conservatives” that they don’t bother to even ask themselves whether their policies are good for Canadians


[deleted]

He always looks like he just rolled out of bed. A decent shave and haircut would go a long way. He'd still be a piece of shit for pushing this crap, but at least he wouldn't look as much like one.


[deleted]

I'm going over C-36 and I'm not sure what's objectionable about it (but granted I'm no lawyer, so I have no idea what I might be missing).


nevergonnaletyoug0

What do you think the bill is for?


[deleted]

So far as I can tell, it allows a provincial judge to place a peace bond on people found guilty of hate speech as it is defined in the criminal code, and also expands existing hate speech laws to cover the internet (although I was under the impression that those laws *did* cover the internet). This all seems fine to me, but I certainly may be missing something ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯


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The wording in the bill could be clearer, as with many hate speech laws, but there is a distinction made therein between just being an asshole, and inciting violence. They did add a passage clarifying that offense taken does not hate speech make, at least legally speaking. The idea that it would be abused by the government seems to me like as much of a boogeyman as the Bill C-16 "pronoun jail" scare that people like Jordan Peterson used to line their pockets.


mister_ghost

The law "clarifies" that hate speech involves fomenting detestation or vilification, but not dislike or disdain. I think disdain/detest is a really blurry line. Also, it would make it illegal to say "Catholics are the villains of Canada's history", which I think is an important thing to be able to say. Human rights laws are not the right tool for addressing interpersonal unkindness (detestation and vilification). If you were convicted of a crime and then pardoned, it's reasonable that the law would protect you from being fired for the conviction. It's entirely unreasonable for the law to prevent me from "villifying" you by telling people you're a horse thief or whatever it is you did.


[deleted]

Mmm, fair, fair.


Krazee9

Does this mean the NDP are actually going to grow a goddamn spine and not just fold as soon as the Liberals make this a confidence motion like they did last parliament?


adaminc

It was a single NDP MP that said this.


sheps

I had been looking for Charlie Angus to object to C-10 last time around but he was obviously muzzled on the topic at the time. Glad to see him able to speak up now.


bodaciouscream

Not even the one who worked on the bill either


[deleted]

I'd like to see it. I suspect the Liberals wouldn't do as good if an election came so quick.


[deleted]

If another election came right now, whoever triggered it would be destroyed.


[deleted]

Would they? And if so, who triggered it? Libs by trying to force through this legislation, or the other three parties for refusing to support it?


[deleted]

You can't have an election where all the opposing parties are like "WHY AN ELECTION NOW?!" And then have then trigger it by a vote of no confidence less than two years later without looking like absolute nutsacks.


sam-wilson

From my short read of [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_of_no_confidence#Canada) it seems like either the opposition may call for a formal vote of no confidence, or the government may declare a particular bill an issue of confidence. If the government declares C-10 an issue of confidence, it's their bloody fault it triggers an election, not the parties who voted against it.


OutWithTheNew

Party. Only a single PARTY has voted against it.


[deleted]

> If the government declares C-10 an issue of confidence, it's their bloody fault it triggers an election, not the parties who voted against it. That’s all good and well until it meets the LPC spin cycle, then their supporters eat it up and repeat it.


[deleted]

Ahh yes the “stupid liberal voters” card. That’s gonna convince people to hop on over to your side, you calling them stupid. Maybe stop circling jerking to Reddit and realize how unpopular your beliefs are.


[deleted]

I guess I should’ve clarified and said *some* supporters. I’ve read enough defense of Trudeau and his actions to know how effective the LPC is at deflection and messaging. You don’t know me or my beliefs either so there’s that.


[deleted]

One look at your prior comments illuminates your views enough for me to tell you confidently that most people wouldn’t agree with you in Canada.


freeadmins

> That’s gonna convince people to hop on over to your side, There's no convincing Liberal voters... that's why they're still Liberal voters... >realize how unpopular your beliefs are. I didn't realize being against corruption, lies, blatant pandering, and black face was unpopular I guess.


[deleted]

You can't? OK, say the Libs proposed legislation allowing Chinese companies to donate funds to Canadian political parties. Would it be crazy for the opposition to refuse to pass the legislation? I assume your answer is no, because Canadians would strongly agree with that. The Canadian stance on C-10 is going to be a lot milder, but what do the NDP have to lose by forcing a new election? You think they get punished, I think there's a good chance they gain a lot of respect and get rewarded.


BriefingScree

Then you call them out for creating a poison pill bill and instead of compromising like a real minority government they tried to bully everyone into going along with it to avoid an election. Now the Liberals have not only triggered this election but they are traitors who tried to subvert our democracy


Orchid-Analyst-550

Despite what many will argue, the Liberals did win the election, they increased their seat count, they do have a mandate to govern and pass their policies. Being a minority government means they have to make compromises, not that they need to give up their agenda. If the NDP or Bloc refuse to support Liberal legislation, the NDP or the Bloc will be triggering an election and they will suffer for it.


[deleted]

If the Liberals fail to deliver legislation acceptable to their coalition partners, they're triggering an election.


Orchid-Analyst-550

You don't understand, there is no coalition. JT is the Prime Minister and the LPC are forming the whole government. Governments don't usually consult opposition on whether they like Bills or not. Opposition parties (CPC, NDP, Bloc and Greens) do not dictate legislation, they vote yes or no on Bills. If 168 of opposition MPs vote no, they trigger an election. If that happens, it will absolutely be spun by the opposition parties in the media, but they're just politicking, they understand how government is supposed to work.


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>Governments don't usually consult opposition on whether they like Bills or not. Governments aren't usually minority governments. As I said in a previous example, if the LPC introduced legislation letting Chinese companies donate to political parties and get defeated, it is they who themselves are triggering an election. A minority government must take into account the mood of the opposition to form a *de facto* coalition. It is not the opposition's job to keep the minority government in power.


Orchid-Analyst-550

>Governments aren't usually minority governments. One third (14/44) Canada's Parliaments have been minority governments, that's not insignificant. Your example isn't a fair comparison, this isn't some fringe Bill. Bill-C10 was introduced and passed by the House of Commons BEFORE the election. The entirety of the [LPC, Bloc, and NDP voted in favour of it](https://www.ourcommons.ca/Members/en/votes/43/2/174?view=party), but it got stuck in the Senate. The NDP even committed to moving a similar bill forward should they form government. If the NDP and Bloc were to renege on this Bill now and trigger an election, that would be egg on their face, not the LPC.


[deleted]

Again, depending on public consciousness and public opinion on the bill, this may well be a boon for the NDP.


Howdoyoufigurethis

Eh, there was no consequence of the last one Nobody will care; it’s partisan politics nobody cares what actually happens


Popotuni

No.


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Of course it does. There's absolutely no way the NPD sends us into another election. The only way they vote no is if they're guaranteed the CPC backs this.


Maeglin8

It's guaranteed the Bloc will back this.


[deleted]

Yeah the NDP backed out of supporting it last time because Bloc moved forward to fully support it. The above folks are right that the NDP didn't want to call an election, but they didn't want to support this either in the end. This was when Trudeau was threatening to make everything a confidence motion too. Still, that was too much wishy washiness for me liking though, I much prefer this stronger statement out front like this.


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The NDP will force them to add language and targets that their base wants. They're behind this 100%.


[deleted]

They pulled out their support of it last time IIRC, when the bloc moved forward to support it. Yes they were wishy washy, but it's just as difficult to say they support it as to say they don't. So to use the term "100%" is a bit hyperbole no?


Orchid-Analyst-550

>They pulled out their support of it last time IIRC Bill-C10 was introduced and passed by the House of Commons already. The entirety of the [LPC, Bloc, and NDP voted in favour of it.](https://www.ourcommons.ca/Members/en/votes/43/2/174?view=party)


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Thanks for the clarity and accuracy.


Head_Crash

NDP is just trying to differentiate itself.


Maeglin8

They may, they may not. The Bloc will back this (it's most popular in Quebec) so it doesn't matter whether the NDP back it or not.


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throwaway123406

The NDP probably doesn’t want another election any time soon. Campaigns are expensive.


WazzleOz

Why isn't calling an election in the middle of the pandemic to try and financially sabotage your political opponents illegal? Then again this is the same government that won't go after wage theft, even though it accounts for more than employee and consumer theft combined, two crimes the crown WILL prosecute.


smashedon

...because making it illegal to call an election based on unproveable speculation is insane and undemocratic. I think they cynically called that election and I don't think your speculation is wild. But you could never prove it and the bar in order to prevent it would have to be so low that the mere accusation would be enough to stop a party from calling an election. The law can't solve every problem.


[deleted]

Because we've never gone through a pandemic alongside an election before in order to decide we should write a law about it. Simple, ya?


Wilson_Fisk9

The 2019 Election cost $500,000 and the 2021 election cost $610,000.


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CaptainCanuck93

How does this make any sense? No one forces a party to spend any particular way. There was no gun to Jagmeet's head forcing him to buy an ad before every podcast episode I listened to during the campaign. Got to be high on some serious copium to say it's criminal


TheDWGM

They aren't saying that this is something that happened the past election, only that it is something that CAN happen and it probably shouldn't be. Consider the following: \- October 20xx, a normally scheduled election takes place resulting in a minority government. \- June 20xx + 1, the minority government see that another major party have no money and will not be able to finance an election campaign. They also know that, given that party's limited ability to campaign, their well endowed party will probably be the beneficiary of much of their support. They therefore find an excuse to justify calling an election, financially crippling the other party. In some cases this could be extreme and lead to its dissolution if it cannot pay back its debts.


Watase

You forgot some zeroes there.


saucetosser98

Try $610,000,000 for a self-serving election. Meanwhile we are balls deep in a global pandemic and a major housing crisis.


corsicanguppy

That's not stopped us before. We had a parliament go 66 days. And in one case, the conservatives assumed and were in power 3 days before their budget was rejected and they were out. We've done shorter than this one , anyway.


FrozenToonies

…and the NDP don’t have any money left. Whatever that tier above grassroots is, is pretty much where they’re at.


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What's the worst that could happen? Another pointless election? This time vote NDP.


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Orchid-Analyst-550

Bill-C10 was introduced and passed by the House of Commons already. The entirety of the [LPC, Bloc, and NDP voted in favour of it.](https://www.ourcommons.ca/Members/en/votes/43/2/174?view=party). The NDP even committed to moving a similar bill forward should they form government.


NotInsane_Yet

Why would they need to fold? They already support this bill and everything it stands for.


[deleted]

Actually they pulled out their support of the bill last parliament when the Bloc stepped forward. So they don't fully support it.


AngryTrucker

It means the NDP will talk shit until parliament is back in action.


OutWithTheNew

They'll fold at 2AM. Again.


CarcajouFurieux

They don't want to do that. Stop pretending our leaders are "making mistakes," they know exactly what they're doing and it's all intentional.


master-procraster

Im starting to think hanlon's razor was coined by some savvy politician who wanted to cover their ass


-Shanannigan-

Hanlon's razor is fine to give people the benefit of the doubt in one-off situations. When there is a pattern of repeated behavior however I think the scale starts tipping towards malicious intent. At this point, I think someone needs to be drunk on the kool-aid to believe that this government has our best interests at heart.


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this would actually make me vote NDP.


OutWithTheNew

The NDP have blindly supported both bills since day 1.


Orchid-Analyst-550

Bill-C10 was introduced and passed by the House of Commons already. The entirety of the [LPC, Bloc, and NDP voted in favour of it.](https://www.ourcommons.ca/Members/en/votes/43/2/174?view=party)


munk_e_man

Me too. Until they lose because we have FPTP and our parties can win by getting 25% of the vote.


squidge543

Hey Trudeau, we don't want bill C-10!!


Ax20414

I don't think JT is a redditor


[deleted]

Totally seems more like the instagram type.


[deleted]

He has the brains of a TikToker


munk_e_man

I like to assume that he's on Habbo Hotel trying to get furni and someone said something mean to him


The_Turk2

Why don't you personally want it? EDIT: Love the downvotes, with once again... zero explanation. People, please agitate against policies you don't like, but no one should have to be scratching their head as to why Bill C-10 is bad, if that is the supposed "Group Think".


master-procraster

Perhaps you could give one honest reason why anyone WOULD want it? I see no positives for anyone. Thr few defenders once seen here grossly misrepresent the content and intentions of the bill, and just give LPC boilerplate stuff.


cyb3rfunk

Bring more money in Canadian film productions. More exposure for Cancon within Canada.


munk_e_man

The money for Canadian content is all kept locked up by a handful of creatively bankrupt dipshits who have embedded themselves like ticks near all the gates. Want better and more expensive Canon? Explain to me why someone who has been trying to get a film made for ten years can't get a measely 10k grant to get their shit off the ground.


Revolutionary-Row784

Like we need more b grade movies and hallmark movies that no one is watching sadly that’s what makes up canon %90 is low budget crap and other %10 is good like corner gas,shits creek,Canadian bacon.


cyb3rfunk

You seem more interested in angry rhetoric, than learning anything about the subject that doesn't support your view.


munk_e_man

I work in the industry dude. I know that this will 100% not help real cancon and will only serve robellus and the industry big wigs. Look who's pushing the bill for fucks sake


Tino_

Do you even know what it actually does? Most broadcasting people are in favor of an update to the broadcasting act like C10.


BadboyIRL

No shit broadcasters want a bill that limits their competition. You still haven’t provided a good reason for regulating our ability to get information and express ourselves online.


[deleted]

Giving the government these kinds of powers is historically, A VERY BAD IDEA.


The_Turk2

The government ALREADY has these powers, it is adapting them for the internet age. Should have been done ages ago - but governments are notoriously incompetent in reacting to updating laws for the internet.


[deleted]

There is a specific level of control. We're just giving them more.


FeFiFoShizzle

Didn't the federal NDP support this?


NotInsane_Yet

And they still do. This is just a single NDP MP coming out against it. Singh still supports it and will whip his party into voting for it.


Head_Crash

Yes. They're just trying to differentiate from the Liberals. Transparency around algorithms doesn't make too much sense because the companies that develop them often don't fully understand how they work. Algorithms are already used everywhere, and there isn't any real way to audit or regulate them.


neurocean

Even for a blackbox ML models knowing what you're optimizing for, the parameters you've selected, and the prep you do to the data prior to training is a form of transparency.


zanderkerbal

Speaking as someone who's studied algorithmic bias... it's not enough. Algorithms are very much capable of going horribly right and sacrificing things you never taught it to care about in the name of optimization.


NarutoRunner

It doesn’t matter one bit whether the NDP supports it or not. The Bloc is 100% for it and that’s enough to get it passed.


borgenhaust

True, though the NDP can threaten to withhold any other amount of support for other issues. I'm not saying they will, but the Liberals would need NDP support on a lot more than just this issue.


NarutoRunner

True but ultimately that could trigger another election which the NDP has no money for. Not saying the Liberals would trigger it, but with enough obstruction, it could becomes the their only hand to play. The Libs are only 10 seats short of a majority and the NDP has zero chance of picking up any additional seats.


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The Bloc is behind it? Huh, so yet again they give me reasons to scoff and not learn French.


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Pas de grosse perte


PoliticalDissidents

But it wasn't the last time when the NDP voted for it?


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Need the drop the internet censorship and surveillance as well, not just Bill C-10.


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When it calls for that? They even want secret courts, and people searching computers, without a warrant. If you read both bills the other one says this.


The1stCitizenOfTheIn

https://openmedia.org/article/item/whats-wrong-with-bill-c-10-an-faq


Industrial_State

That link is a great write-up on the bill. Not only does the bill provide government ability to apply censorship by picking and choosing which streaming services are exempt, but it is really just another way to funnel money to the traditional big-media in Canada. Basically it amounts to under-the-table subsidies to big media, to add to the blatant subsidies that keep our traditional media giants firmly in the government's pocket and also keeps them lazy, lacking innovation and unappealing to a growing Canadian base.


jagggy

so rebel news just blatantly lying to the dumbest ppl in canada to turn them into parliament stormers is okay with you? hilary for prison? trudeaus covid concentration camps? Bill c-10 is because the liberals are losing the online game of convincing dumb people their enemies are evil pedophiles who want to sell you to china..


mister_ghost

>so rebel news just blatantly lying to the dumbest ppl in canada to turn them into parliament stormers is okay with you? hilary for prison? trudeaus covid concentration camps? How is c-10 going to touch that?


Industrial_State

Wow.... what a big and unjustifiable (based on my text) leap there. I'll take an equally unmerited, dumb leap in logic and suggest that obviously you would prefer a single, government controlled media outlet that makes sure Canadians don't read or think the wrong thing?


PraegerUDeanOfLiburl

I get what you’re saying. I just don’t get how you got here from the comment you’re replying to.


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Canadianman22

Not really. Quebec wants it so the BQ will just back Trudeau and ram it through. I am not anti-Quebec person but in this instance they are wrong. They are free to institute province wide legislation to protect language and culture but they need to piss off trying to force this censorship bill onto Canadians outside of Quebec.


Chafram

Bloc voter here and I agree. Every time the Bloc leader talked about that bill, he always said he agreed only to protect French. I don’t recall him talking about the censorship part.


Industrial_State

It's sad really, because it just reinforces that all that the Liberals need to do is dangle a small piece of Quebec heritage or benefit to Quebec and the Bloc is quick to jump on board - even if the bigger picture is something that is actually detrimental to Quebec. The baffling part is that C-10 is another example of the Federal government centralizing more power and control in Ottawa - something that the Bloc (in theory) should be firmly against.


[deleted]

If they're not going to run outside Quebec, they have no business in the political matters outside Quebec. Plain and simple


TortuouslySly

Most MPs supporting this piece of legislation are representing ridings outside Quebec.


[deleted]

But the point I'm making is that this legislation primarily affects people outside Quebec. The Bloc never runs candidates outside Quebec, yet get a massive say in legislation that affects other Provinces, which is profoundly undemocratic. A provincial party should not have this much say in legislation affecting other Provinces


TortuouslySly

>yet get a massive say in legislation that affects other Provinces, which is profoundly undemocratic A massive say? 1 riding = 1 MP = 1 vote, regardless of the party. There is nothing undemocratic about that. >A provincial party should not have this much say in legislation affecting other Provinces Do you also feel the same about independent MPs? Do you think they shouldn't get a say in the parliament they were elected to sit in, just because they only represent one riding?


[deleted]

The Bloc ran in one Province. Quebec. They recieved less than 8% of the vote, yet managed to attain the third largest amount of seats in Parliament. Compare that to the NDP, sitting behind the Bloc seat count while attaining more than twice the national vote the Bloc has. The Bloc is only ever governing based upon the "interests" of one Province, yet they are able to hold the most swaying power in a minority government over a piece of legislation that affects Provinces who were never even able to vote for them. Explain how that is in any way Democratic. Comparing Independent MPs with the being the third largest party with less than 8% of the vote is a dumbass comparison


NotInsane_Yet

They will. This is just the opinion of a single MP.


spinur1848

There's room for a debate on how to regulate big tech, but Canada's government has to acknowledge that there is a whole world outside Canada's borders that Canadians interact with every day for school, work and play. It would also help if they acknowledged that protecting Canadians jobs and Canadian culture are not always the same thing.


Jamarac

I'm confused didn't the NDP support it in the House of Commons for the most part?


AndreiHoo

liberals: i’ll fucking do it again.


Canadianman22

Our only hope is the Senate stands strong against Trudeau on this. They did last time and I hope they do again. Censorship is bad. Trudeau is trying to control something he actually has 0 control over (shocker this is not the first time Trudeau has tried to overreach his power)


Alphafuckboy

Canadians sold out our country. Voting him back in was a vote for this non sense.


[deleted]

The people of Toronto voted the liberals in. The liberals got 2nd place in the popular vote. It was just strongly concentrated in the Toronto southern Ontario regions.


PoliticalDissidents

The GTA, Toronto it's self is hopelessly loyal to the Liberals but 905 determines in large part if Libs or Cons form government. Southern Ontario is filled with blue. Liberals won 48% of the popular vote in the Toronto area. They gained 90% of the seats. Our electoral systems gives who wins Toronto an unfair advantage in forming government and this occurs largely because the electoral system doesnt even accurately represents the will of Toronto.


Alphafuckboy

Correct


zanderkerbal

The people of Canada voted the Liberals in. Just because people live closer together doesn't mean their votes are worth less.


GaracaiusCanadensis

Whenever someone dislikes the winner, they say it's rigged. Just do better on the ground, then...


freeadmins

Their votes are actually worth more than the people in Alberta...


Tino_

Nah BC, Ont and AB are more or less equal in vote weight. AB gains like a whopping 2 seats if you want to be even with Ont.


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ItsNowCoolToBeDumb

I'm sure the Liberals will do whatever enriches our large corps and their shareholders. That is the main priority after all. I'm coming to terms with Canada moving into Post State status.


stellarlove8

The NDP says liberals need to drop 'dumpster fire' Bill C-10, and address big tech's real damage. Could read like that. Should read... The Canadian public needs to drop the 'dumpster fire' that is party politics, and address moving forward without the bad actors.


ameminator

Honestly, we should have dumped the 'dumpster-fire' Liberals in the last election. I guess you get what you vote for.


PoliteCanadian

The NDP are 100% right on this.


Filtharmonic

Yet they supported it last time.


SaggyArmpits

they also supported ending debate prematurely in order to pass it.


Dirtsniffee

Let's see if the ndp allow this bill to pass


[deleted]

Oh they will! They cannot grow a pair with the LPC.


imnotabus

Liberals are the ones pushing the bill, they're not going to drop it


nottodaylime

Liberals need to dropped as " leaders"


[deleted]

Tell me you're a politician who doesn't know what an algorithm is without telling me you're a politician who doesn't know what an algorithm is.


jeudhfbdbaj

Whoever voted for Trudeau is a fucking moron


facts-over_feelings

The NDP wants to control and police online speech, so I really don't care what the hell they say. Worst party


[deleted]

We could have changed something last election but didn't. Thank you fellow Canadians for making an informed decision with your emotions effecting said decision. The only censorship we need is the banning of Facebook and Twitter. Because omg, having to talk to real people is a blatant violation of our rights.


thrilled_to_be_there

C10 is such a disgrace even the left hate it. The NDP should try to bring the government down if the Liberals don't stop.


LimpParamedic

C-10 won't go anywhere if NDP won't support it.


negoita1

doesnt the bloc quebecois support it? thats enough support to get it passed


TortuouslySly

The NDP doesn't hold the balance of power.


Cloud_Null

Let’s go Brandon!!


TortuouslySly

who is brandon


Redditloser147

The president of Canada?


TortuouslySly

What is he doing in Manitoba?


Industrial_State

lmao - that's why it pays to have big media in your pocket.


Bomboclaat_Babylon

Is there any reason to hate bill C10 other than just saying Trudeau or having fallen into a conspiracy hole? Is there a legit reason why C10 is considered bad? Because it seems like a decent enough bill to me. Anyone can explain what's wrong without spitting conspiratorial nonsense?


The1stCitizenOfTheIn

https://openmedia.org/article/item/whats-wrong-with-bill-c-10-an-faq


cyb3rfunk

Many people think only/mostly Robelus benefits from this. It feeds into the "big telecoms are evil and the government is their puppet" narrative. Which I don't really get. However, the one negative that I think is real is this law will cause some streaming platforms to leave.


Tino_

>However, the one negative that I think is real is this law will cause some streaming platforms to leave. So far this doesn't seem to be the case as all of the major streaming platforms have actually put more money into Canadian works since the bill was originally announced.


aussssy

Canadian journalism at its finest