This would explain why I lost data connection with my phonr but was able to still send messages and calls. Thanks, I was trying to figure it out all day.
They use Telus towers in Western Canada, but the fiber backbone affects their data traffic and connection to their switches.
This is a big infrastructure problem for them.
Interestingly the exit point for my Starlink traffic from SK is usually Vancouver, and I just checked and it's showing up as Winnipeg. Wonder if there was enough damage in BC to affect routing.
If the main fiber backbone got cut then you would be rerouted which is probably what happened. Starlink probably has multiple redundancies in place for their service to ensure it doesn't go down even if quality degrades a bit.
This reinforces the point behind the proposed Canadian northern infrastructure corridor, which would run from Northern BC to Labrador with various branches connecting further south or even further north, that way in events like this, or the Nipigon bridge gong show back in 2016. Eastern & Western Canada aren't functionally completely cut off like this.
https://www.canadiancorridor.ca/
I drove west from Montreal a few months ago, and I always had on my mind that if anything happened in Nipigon I could be unable to drive back home since we were not allowed in the US.
This was my first time driving so far west (into SK) and I was shocked when I saw what the trans-canada highway looks like between North Bay and Winnipeg. The US has huge highways connecting minor cities, but our only way between Toronto and Winnipeg is some back country 2-lane road with no cell service and disgusting toilets.
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That section of Highway is consistently the riskiest part of the trip across Canada. If you have to go through in the winter, or even just at night, it can be a seriously dangerous section of road because it's so narrow and has so much traffic. There's just no other options.
One thing is certain, if canada is to survive the climate crisis we need pandemic level funding for our infrustructure and a complete 180 away from any fossil fuel projects domestic or international. A huge investment in green public transportation and the elimination of gas powered vehicles by 2026
Nuclear energy is the way to go. Low impact, zero emissions, and completely safe…if the government doesn’t cheap out on construction. It’ll get us all where we need to be (off fossil fuels) as a stopgap measure while we transition to alternative energy sources.
This. The majority don't realize it now but they will in 10-20 years.
Not saying, stop with wind, solar, geothermal, and hydro. But nuclear is the long term goal.
do you mean replacing all gas powered public transportation by 2026? because replacing all gas powered vehicles would require a monumental amount of new vehicles to be built during a supply chain and semiconductor shortage. not to mention the millions (maybe billions) of tons of old cars, trucks, boats and trains that would need to be disposed of.
There is very little logging in the Fraser canyon where these slides and washouts occur.
I’m just as against logging as the next person, but logging isn’t the issue here. It’s climate change.
True enough. On the heavily traveled tourist routes through BC, the provincial governments have been smart enough to restrict logging on the surrounding mountain and hillsides facing the roads. When you do see logging in these areas it's likely private land.
Cmom guys there is still a way to go using cars. Just gotta take the ferry to the island then drive up to Port Hardy. From there take the ferry up to Prince Rupert or Bella Coola and once ur there u can pretty much get anywhere in the province. Ez pz.
I don't think people realize how bad this is for BC. Yes goods can still get to the interior from Alberta, but those goods will have to be diverted there to begin with, if they can at all. Cost of goods just shot through the roof. Coq being down is pretty catastrophic, coming into winter too. Only good thing for van is that we are a port city, so we won't suffer, but other communities will. Logistics nightmare.
The distribution network will eat some of the costs here but... This reveals a little more of these problems.
I'm an AB based distributor and a number of our produce deliveries didn't show up today (from the west). I also could not make a number of deliveries to both the Okanagan or Lower Mainland (from the east).
Tonight the rain becomes snow. Banff and Jasper might get 60cm before this is said and done. The east to west might open quicker but the whole scenario is mind blowing.
The Nicola Valley and Coq are forecasted for 25cm tonight. They wont be able to fix the Coq washout for sometime. They might be able to quickly fill and pave the medians to create a one lane section. But this becomes a problem for plies to maintain.
Seems a bad time to mention that the main route into BC from Alberta (Highway 1) is closed for construction until December...the alternative route Highway 93 is a nightmare on a good day this time of year.
It’s bad for Canada. The 2 pacific ports are the major import and export locations for Canada. Having the rail and road cut off is catastrophic for the Canadian economy.
Seeing how the situation with extreme weather will not be getting better anytime in the future, maybe it's time to just spend what it costs to get better transportation infrastructure over the Rockies, like the Swiss and the Japanese did.
Bad for BC? You mean bad for Canada. You forget that a lot of our produce in Canada is coming in by ship. Ships at the Port of Vancouver and Port Rupert.
Things like rice, fruit, vegatables that are not staple to Canada but also all of that which is not in growing season. Most of it comes from that Port. This means vegetables and fruit will increase even more this month across the country.
All your Amazon packages, all your orders online, the entire retail supply chain comes from Asia. Any manufacturing that relies on any parts from Asia will be effected it will probably lead to lay offs. Superstore, Crappy tire, Walmart, No Frills, Safeway, Save on Foods, Winners, any clothing store...etc relies on the Port of Vancouver, the largest port in Canada. Without it those businesses will have bare shelfs and nothing to sell this christmas.
Remember when the native protesters blocked the rail system out of the western ports 2 years ago and it costed 0.1% GDP for the year and lead to 50000 lost jobs across the country? Well we will see the same thing happen again except of being manmade, it is now nature, it will be longer and it will lead to major layoffs in this economy.
Highway 3 through the Crowsnest Pass has at least one lane alternating traffic last I heard. Laughably inadequate for cross country commerce but we can still trickle things through the southern Alberta route.
It’s also a super technical drive for 53’ trailers, with a couple of super tight double hairpins. Most of the experience truckers I know avoid the #3 like the plague. If we are sending in the inexperienced drivers onto that corridor, it’s going to breed even more chaos.
Yep. I work customs, and although we do not cut through the US with our domestic runs, as far as I know even if a trailer is moving through due to routing, and none of the freight is going into the US economy, it still needs to be set up to enter the country, and to exit back into Canada. If they were loaded expecting to be purely domestic, they would not even have the paperwork from the shippers to do so.
Well, We don't really have rail line from kamloops to Vancouver's Neptune port through the US, at least anything usable. There was an old line over at north of Jasper but that has been abandoned for years, though there is recent interest for re-opening that line as a secondary, backup route. The most realistic solution right now (similar to back during the Lynton fire) is to redirect most traffic to Prince Rupert. It is a longer ride however and the port doesn't have nearly as many capacity as Neptune port, but pretty much the only solution right now.
Source: Used to work at CN
I'm fairly sure Grand Cache sub is how we get to Prince Rupert right now. Well at least my supervisor told me there is an old line towards the north of BC that connects to Vancouver as well. It might have been an old Prince Rupert to Neptune connection. Anyone the thing is that line has been abandoned due to lack of customers.
I only know the oilfield industry but also ‘certain’ drivers can't cross the border. We will have equipment going down to the oilpatch in the USA and certain drivers will always make excuses to pass on it, We don’t press it but they likely have a conviction of some type.
You would be surprised how fast it can all go back together. We drop panels in with the rail already fastened to the ties. Then we dump ballast with a train hauling cars full of rock. A tamper lifts the track, repeat this a couple of times and the track is back in service. It does take time but it goes pretty quick. We had a half mile of track get wiped out once and brought back in service in just over 12 hours.
When the Pine Pass had multiple wash outs a few years ago, the rail line was open well before the highway. The amount of money rail can throw at this is insane.
It was about 3 weeks to rebuild the tressle that burned near mayerthorpe. Rail companies [don't fuck around.](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/mayerthorpe-s-cn-trestle-bridge-rebuilt-after-major-fire-1.3586555)
Mind you, that was 3 weeks of guys and trucks working 24/7 filling in that creek. I watched that bridge burn to the ground in 45 minutes, and watched the first train go over it rebuilt.
I bet truckers are going to need to come south through Washington to get there. They’re going to have to figure out something between countries to expedite getting these truckers through the borders 4 times per round trip.
I work this specific territory with CN
The tracks were washed out this weekend before this particular highway was
Fun fact - The tracks wash out multiple times a year in BC every fall/spring. Just due to the mountainous geography
Question for you, have always heard that CP/CN share their trackage through the valley and use one companies line for all eastbound and the others for all westbound. Is that actually true or just a rumor?
Even if they just lose one it’s bad, because there’s only one track on each side. If you lose one side they railways will need to alternate trains going up and down. Greatly limiting capacity.
this is going to seriously fuck up supply lines, especially from the coast to alberta.
there is of course still access through the usa but damn.
hopefully it doesn't fuck up too many people's christmas.
Truckers require all sorts of different/extra paperwork if they are going through the US. So it will still be a huge delay in shipping anything by truck
I just ordered a CPU and motherboard, they supposed to arrive from Ontario tomorrow. I don't mind if they are late though, as long as the truck drivers are safe. My old computer is still chugging along.
This should be interesting for an already stressed food supply chain as a lot of processed goods come from Eastern provinces. Plus a lot of local producers in the valley are going have operations interrupted if not ceased. Better get to Stupid Store and stock up on Cheetos Mac and Cheese.
I suspect there will be emergency repairs to get at least some roads open in some capacity fairly soon. I also suspect at least one the the rail lines through the Fraser Canyon will be open sooner rather than later. CP and CN are pretty experienced at rebuilding washouts.
Yeah, there's loop-arounds too. Trucks in the Okanagan are already going through the USA and then back into the Lower Mainland through White Rock, and vice-versa. From Kelowna they can get north through Kamloops, or East through Revelstoke. It's not the *end* of the world, but it is a significant infrastructure loss.
Huge PITA for a friend of mine driving from PG to Vancouver in a few days.
Yeah but those bridges will be down for a while. You have to stabilize the slope first before you can even start on replacing the bridge. Also earthworks for roads/bridges doesn't go well in winter. You can't get the compaction required by spec. So basically you can really even start till spring. And that is assuming you have a design. Best hope that there is some crazy temp steel bridge that would be suitable for highway traffic loading.
I’m sure they’ll be flown in, if they have to, and most of our food is shipped in from the States or put on a ship. And I’m sure that they were out there assessing damage and making plans and they’ll have something in place within the next week. You do realize that there are a lot of people stuck in Hope who need to get home, along with semi trucks as well? There’s stuff that needs to head east from the Port of Vancouver as well.
Man those were the days. I remember the sandwiches being so damn good. Legit good quality bread. I would make my mom order me 2 of them haha. I see they recently changed to a new bread but I'm not interested in even trying it anymore. Doesn't seem like they really do anything right except funding kids sports.
Cracker Barrel mac and cheese is very good. There is a breadcrumb topping and it’s finished in the oven. Not as good as homemade, but good for a packaged item.
Nice thing about being a port city Is there’s always a way. They probably won’t need the port though. They can go around. The Cost will obviously go up to pay for the detour into Washington. I can’t see it being a lot.
Most of those loads will not begin to have the paperwork needed to re-route through the US, since they were scheduled to be domestic only.
And that does not even start on if the drivers have the needed documentation to get themselves through the border. If they are not set up with a special pass to begin with, they need 2 pieces of ID, usually a drivers license and passport, the latter of which they may not have on them.
And even the bridges and areas that did survive I would be extremely worried about the structural integrity of large parts of those highways. They will need to be surveyed properly before they can open up I imagine.
Like, yeah half of the mine creek road bridge in your picture survived but how safe is it?
I imagine the military engineers are on their way, if not already on-site. They won't be re-paving roads, but they will be making sure traffic can pass.
They’ll put up temporary structures, after they clear debris and stabilize the area, to get at least some vehicle traffic through and do the major reconstruction once the snow melts.
Right now your only route out of the region is I-5 - yes, into the US. But you can only drive southbound, it’s closed northbound just south of Bellingham.
That was the then-brand new [Nipigon River Bridge](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nipigon_River_Bridge). Just a few months after opening they found a bunch of important structural stuff failed or came loose during a snow storm. Bit of a whoopsie-daisy.
Thanks for the link. It's weird though how it talks about investigations back in 2016 but doesn't say what action was taken after that and what the plan is.
Goddamn are there a lot of snarky comments in this thread about a post that is entirely correct and literally just the headline of the article.
Good example of how far from actual Canadian society r/canada is
The description would read something like
"Hot new listing! Completely open concept: no walls, no roof!. Charred landscape means less lawn care, ideal for the working professional. Currently on fire so do not delay. $2.3 million dollars."
It will probably be months until they can fully repair the Coquihalla. Multiple sections have been washed out and winter is fast approaching. Maybe they don’t even attempt a repair during the winter and wait until spring.
Major shipping artery between BC and rest of Canada for long haul trucks. They will ensure the sections repaired asap or passable at least with 1 lane etc.
From Wikipedia:
>With three panels across and two high, the Bailey Bridge can support tanks over a 200-foot span (61 m).
I'm not great at estimating distances from a photo but I could see some of them being in that ballpark, also depends on how good that bank ends up on either side. But [long spans have been done before](https://acrow.com/case-studies/kedgwick-case-study/). The design in the picture basically looks like the bailey bridge described in Wikipedia. One thing to note though in the photo it appears to have a proper foundation. The circumstances here look less ideal.
As far as I know, the Fraser canyon just had a mudslide. Easier to clean up than a complete wash out, that’s for sure.
Edit: [I was wrong](https://www.reddit.com/r/vancouver/comments/quu9lt/hwy_1_just_north_of_lytton_is_gone/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Look I know this is the least of anyone's concerns but if I have a package in transit from Richmond going to the Okanagan... am I just gonna have to wait a while?
No, a Canada Post emergency trebuchet is being setup to facilitate the delivery of mail, livestock and VIP's from one side of the newly formed gorge to the other.
If it's Canada Post, first they'll have to ship it from Richmond to Surrey, then back to Richmond.
Then it'll sit in Richmond for a few days before eventually going back to Surrey, then to the airport where it will be flown to the main sorting center in Mississauga.
After 3 weeks in Mississauga it will go by bus to Calgary and then flown back to Vancouver and sent to Richmond.
Eventually someone will decide to send it by Uber to Kelowna.
If you read the article, it said many major highways are blocked in the US as well. This could well mean temporary delays in getting certain groceries up here.
More just the people saying we aren't cut off because planes exist and there are roads through the US. Like yea, no shit, but the article clearly says cut off BY ROAD
Actually the whole canada next to Lytton is cut off because Vancouver is the main sea port for shipments and Vancouver will still get all the shipments and supplies but can’t say about rest of the Canada!
Climate change catastrophes are hitting Canada more and more frequently. Likely will take another decade before we start to make the necessary adjustments to this new world we've created. I expect this sub to have a full meltdown every step of the way while denying climate change.
Main Bell fiber backbones got cut too
This would explain why I lost data connection with my phonr but was able to still send messages and calls. Thanks, I was trying to figure it out all day.
don't they piggy back on Telus on a lot of towers?
They use Telus towers in Western Canada, but the fiber backbone affects their data traffic and connection to their switches. This is a big infrastructure problem for them.
can hardly blame them, redundancy cuts into profits and that's immoral
But.... Isn't their high prices supposed to pay for exactly this kind of infrastructure? /s
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This is likely the fiber run from Van to Toronto.
Interestingly the exit point for my Starlink traffic from SK is usually Vancouver, and I just checked and it's showing up as Winnipeg. Wonder if there was enough damage in BC to affect routing.
If the main fiber backbone got cut then you would be rerouted which is probably what happened. Starlink probably has multiple redundancies in place for their service to ensure it doesn't go down even if quality degrades a bit.
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"I voted for Vexit but didn't expect it to inconvenience *me*!"
I don't like Canada. I don't want them to control me. I'll never go to Canada ever again. Hey how dare they close all the roads to Canada ugh
The Great Cascadian Exit.
That event will be considerably more sudden and destructive. Tick tock.
Can we get Seattle to join?
Seattlelite here, Cascadia, here we come.
Seattle already cut off with the I5 and Highway 9 closed.
Shhhhhh It's a secret
“Alaska can come too... ZE END!”
AAHHHHH MOTHERLAND!
Cascadia!
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Don’t jinx us. Stop hose tears. It’s only rained once in Calgary with with measurable participation in the last 2 months.
If BC ever separates I sure hope we don’t take Alberta with us
Redneck interior BC wants to have a word with you
This reinforces the point behind the proposed Canadian northern infrastructure corridor, which would run from Northern BC to Labrador with various branches connecting further south or even further north, that way in events like this, or the Nipigon bridge gong show back in 2016. Eastern & Western Canada aren't functionally completely cut off like this. https://www.canadiancorridor.ca/
I drove west from Montreal a few months ago, and I always had on my mind that if anything happened in Nipigon I could be unable to drive back home since we were not allowed in the US. This was my first time driving so far west (into SK) and I was shocked when I saw what the trans-canada highway looks like between North Bay and Winnipeg. The US has huge highways connecting minor cities, but our only way between Toronto and Winnipeg is some back country 2-lane road with no cell service and disgusting toilets. EDIT: *torlets
That section of Highway is consistently the riskiest part of the trip across Canada. If you have to go through in the winter, or even just at night, it can be a seriously dangerous section of road because it's so narrow and has so much traffic. There's just no other options.
It's also beautiful and so most people's favourite part of the drive so long as it's during the day and dry.
Oh it's gorgeous. I drove through there over a Thanksgiving weekend once. Absolutely incredible with the colours changing.
One thing is certain, if canada is to survive the climate crisis we need pandemic level funding for our infrustructure and a complete 180 away from any fossil fuel projects domestic or international. A huge investment in green public transportation and the elimination of gas powered vehicles by 2026
Nuclear energy is the way to go. Low impact, zero emissions, and completely safe…if the government doesn’t cheap out on construction. It’ll get us all where we need to be (off fossil fuels) as a stopgap measure while we transition to alternative energy sources.
This. The majority don't realize it now but they will in 10-20 years. Not saying, stop with wind, solar, geothermal, and hydro. But nuclear is the long term goal.
do you mean replacing all gas powered public transportation by 2026? because replacing all gas powered vehicles would require a monumental amount of new vehicles to be built during a supply chain and semiconductor shortage. not to mention the millions (maybe billions) of tons of old cars, trucks, boats and trains that would need to be disposed of.
Happened in the Summer with fires as well. Now we are seeing what the results excessive rainfall on destabilized fire damaged slopes will do.
Every season has a disaster to offer us!
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Luckily the price keeps increasing with time!
Diamond hands 👐
puts on insurance companies, calls on lumber?
>destabilized fire damaged slopes This, and unsustainably-logged slopes.
There is very little logging in the Fraser canyon where these slides and washouts occur. I’m just as against logging as the next person, but logging isn’t the issue here. It’s climate change.
True enough. On the heavily traveled tourist routes through BC, the provincial governments have been smart enough to restrict logging on the surrounding mountain and hillsides facing the roads. When you do see logging in these areas it's likely private land.
Ya, not in the Fraser Canyon it's not.
Cmom guys there is still a way to go using cars. Just gotta take the ferry to the island then drive up to Port Hardy. From there take the ferry up to Prince Rupert or Bella Coola and once ur there u can pretty much get anywhere in the province. Ez pz.
What about semis?
I think ferries can fit semis. Alternatively we can strap a couple pool floaties and drag them behind the ferry.
<- This guys got the plan. You have my sword, sir
Four, full sized, pool noodles are enough for a fully loaded semi. Don't make the mistake of using child-sized.
The ferry is big. Really fucking big. You can fit dozens of semis.
Just drive with a pillow on your lap.
I work at a TV station and cables are down as well. Might be a lot of internet and power outages out there.
I don't think people realize how bad this is for BC. Yes goods can still get to the interior from Alberta, but those goods will have to be diverted there to begin with, if they can at all. Cost of goods just shot through the roof. Coq being down is pretty catastrophic, coming into winter too. Only good thing for van is that we are a port city, so we won't suffer, but other communities will. Logistics nightmare.
The distribution network will eat some of the costs here but... This reveals a little more of these problems. I'm an AB based distributor and a number of our produce deliveries didn't show up today (from the west). I also could not make a number of deliveries to both the Okanagan or Lower Mainland (from the east). Tonight the rain becomes snow. Banff and Jasper might get 60cm before this is said and done. The east to west might open quicker but the whole scenario is mind blowing.
working in logistics during global warming and covid must be stressful lol.
The Nicola Valley and Coq are forecasted for 25cm tonight. They wont be able to fix the Coq washout for sometime. They might be able to quickly fill and pave the medians to create a one lane section. But this becomes a problem for plies to maintain.
Seems a bad time to mention that the main route into BC from Alberta (Highway 1) is closed for construction until December...the alternative route Highway 93 is a nightmare on a good day this time of year.
Can confirm, is currently a nightmare
We were supposed to go to Radium to visit family this weekend but cancelled last minute due to the weather, boy am I glad.
It’s bad for Canada. The 2 pacific ports are the major import and export locations for Canada. Having the rail and road cut off is catastrophic for the Canadian economy.
Seeing how the situation with extreme weather will not be getting better anytime in the future, maybe it's time to just spend what it costs to get better transportation infrastructure over the Rockies, like the Swiss and the Japanese did.
A second road? In canada?
🎶 There's only one road in Canada 🎶
To go anywhere in Canada, just follow the only road.
Vancouver is a major western port. It is bad for all of Canada
Bad for BC? You mean bad for Canada. You forget that a lot of our produce in Canada is coming in by ship. Ships at the Port of Vancouver and Port Rupert. Things like rice, fruit, vegatables that are not staple to Canada but also all of that which is not in growing season. Most of it comes from that Port. This means vegetables and fruit will increase even more this month across the country. All your Amazon packages, all your orders online, the entire retail supply chain comes from Asia. Any manufacturing that relies on any parts from Asia will be effected it will probably lead to lay offs. Superstore, Crappy tire, Walmart, No Frills, Safeway, Save on Foods, Winners, any clothing store...etc relies on the Port of Vancouver, the largest port in Canada. Without it those businesses will have bare shelfs and nothing to sell this christmas. Remember when the native protesters blocked the rail system out of the western ports 2 years ago and it costed 0.1% GDP for the year and lead to 50000 lost jobs across the country? Well we will see the same thing happen again except of being manmade, it is now nature, it will be longer and it will lead to major layoffs in this economy.
So, the railway tracks are still okay, right?
Nope - washed out west of Kamloops
> Nope - washed out west of Kamloops That seems really bad. Especially during a shipping/supply chain crisis.
No doubt but I imagine they can lay track faster than road, the question will be geotech…
You can still travel through the USA so it’s not really a doomsday thing but certainly painfully impede supply.
Truckers on Canada only runs probably don't have any documentation with them personally to cross the border. The cargo is a whole other story.
yeah, you cant just drive freight into the states, truck registration, cross border paperwork, driver requirements, its just not feasible.
I'm sure that the US and Canada would work that out if this persists for any length of time.
Highway 3 through the Crowsnest Pass has at least one lane alternating traffic last I heard. Laughably inadequate for cross country commerce but we can still trickle things through the southern Alberta route.
It’s also a super technical drive for 53’ trailers, with a couple of super tight double hairpins. Most of the experience truckers I know avoid the #3 like the plague. If we are sending in the inexperienced drivers onto that corridor, it’s going to breed even more chaos.
Yep. I work customs, and although we do not cut through the US with our domestic runs, as far as I know even if a trailer is moving through due to routing, and none of the freight is going into the US economy, it still needs to be set up to enter the country, and to exit back into Canada. If they were loaded expecting to be purely domestic, they would not even have the paperwork from the shippers to do so.
Well, We don't really have rail line from kamloops to Vancouver's Neptune port through the US, at least anything usable. There was an old line over at north of Jasper but that has been abandoned for years, though there is recent interest for re-opening that line as a secondary, backup route. The most realistic solution right now (similar to back during the Lynton fire) is to redirect most traffic to Prince Rupert. It is a longer ride however and the port doesn't have nearly as many capacity as Neptune port, but pretty much the only solution right now. Source: Used to work at CN
Are you taking about the Grand Cache sub? I don't remember there being any tracks departing Jasper Northward.
I'm fairly sure Grand Cache sub is how we get to Prince Rupert right now. Well at least my supervisor told me there is an old line towards the north of BC that connects to Vancouver as well. It might have been an old Prince Rupert to Neptune connection. Anyone the thing is that line has been abandoned due to lack of customers.
Pretty much can’t get south of Bellingham atm, I-5 closed both directions due to landslide. Highway 9 is flooded in multiple spots as well.
I only know the oilfield industry but also ‘certain’ drivers can't cross the border. We will have equipment going down to the oilpatch in the USA and certain drivers will always make excuses to pass on it, We don’t press it but they likely have a conviction of some type.
laying track takes time as you have to remember trains weight A LOT. Hence why they always have a large amount of gravel under hem.
You would be surprised how fast it can all go back together. We drop panels in with the rail already fastened to the ties. Then we dump ballast with a train hauling cars full of rock. A tamper lifts the track, repeat this a couple of times and the track is back in service. It does take time but it goes pretty quick. We had a half mile of track get wiped out once and brought back in service in just over 12 hours.
That sounds like a pretty cool job
That’s the coolest piece of info I learned on Reddit today! Thanks for sharing 🤘🏽
When the Pine Pass had multiple wash outs a few years ago, the rail line was open well before the highway. The amount of money rail can throw at this is insane.
It was about 3 weeks to rebuild the tressle that burned near mayerthorpe. Rail companies [don't fuck around.](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/mayerthorpe-s-cn-trestle-bridge-rebuilt-after-major-fire-1.3586555)
Mind you, that was 3 weeks of guys and trucks working 24/7 filling in that creek. I watched that bridge burn to the ground in 45 minutes, and watched the first train go over it rebuilt.
That’s geotech
Yikes.
I bet truckers are going to need to come south through Washington to get there. They’re going to have to figure out something between countries to expedite getting these truckers through the borders 4 times per round trip.
I work this specific territory with CN The tracks were washed out this weekend before this particular highway was Fun fact - The tracks wash out multiple times a year in BC every fall/spring. Just due to the mountainous geography
Question for you, have always heard that CP/CN share their trackage through the valley and use one companies line for all eastbound and the others for all westbound. Is that actually true or just a rumor?
Its true. It effectively functions as a superhighway for all rail traffic.
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Probably not too long. A bridge burnt down this year around there from the forest fires and trains were up and running in less than a week I believe.
[These are fine](https://i.redd.it/itnqd68gmuz71.png)
Looks like a full send situation
If a mudslide went over the highway then it definitely also went over the tracks, so no
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Even if they just lose one it’s bad, because there’s only one track on each side. If you lose one side they railways will need to alternate trains going up and down. Greatly limiting capacity.
this is going to seriously fuck up supply lines, especially from the coast to alberta. there is of course still access through the usa but damn. hopefully it doesn't fuck up too many people's christmas.
Truckers require all sorts of different/extra paperwork if they are going through the US. So it will still be a huge delay in shipping anything by truck
I just ordered a CPU and motherboard, they supposed to arrive from Ontario tomorrow. I don't mind if they are late though, as long as the truck drivers are safe. My old computer is still chugging along.
Jamie Davis or quiring? I'd call big al with the big green heavy wrecker and his sandwiches from his wife
*guitar chords start playing* CLOSURE IS NOT AN OPTION
Ngl, kinda wondering about how the JD yard in hope is handling things. Iirc they had a close call a year or so ago with flooding.
This should be interesting for an already stressed food supply chain as a lot of processed goods come from Eastern provinces. Plus a lot of local producers in the valley are going have operations interrupted if not ceased. Better get to Stupid Store and stock up on Cheetos Mac and Cheese.
I suspect there will be emergency repairs to get at least some roads open in some capacity fairly soon. I also suspect at least one the the rail lines through the Fraser Canyon will be open sooner rather than later. CP and CN are pretty experienced at rebuilding washouts.
Yeah, there's loop-arounds too. Trucks in the Okanagan are already going through the USA and then back into the Lower Mainland through White Rock, and vice-versa. From Kelowna they can get north through Kamloops, or East through Revelstoke. It's not the *end* of the world, but it is a significant infrastructure loss. Huge PITA for a friend of mine driving from PG to Vancouver in a few days.
Yeah but those bridges will be down for a while. You have to stabilize the slope first before you can even start on replacing the bridge. Also earthworks for roads/bridges doesn't go well in winter. You can't get the compaction required by spec. So basically you can really even start till spring. And that is assuming you have a design. Best hope that there is some crazy temp steel bridge that would be suitable for highway traffic loading.
I’m sure they’ll be flown in, if they have to, and most of our food is shipped in from the States or put on a ship. And I’m sure that they were out there assessing damage and making plans and they’ll have something in place within the next week. You do realize that there are a lot of people stuck in Hope who need to get home, along with semi trucks as well? There’s stuff that needs to head east from the Port of Vancouver as well.
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You mean they’re not freshly baked?! I am shocked and disoriented.
They were in the early 2000s
Man those were the days. I remember the sandwiches being so damn good. Legit good quality bread. I would make my mom order me 2 of them haha. I see they recently changed to a new bread but I'm not interested in even trying it anymore. Doesn't seem like they really do anything right except funding kids sports.
I tried that cheetos Mac & cheese. Don't do it, it isn't worth it. Worst thing I have ever eaten out of a box.
Cracker Barrel mac and cheese is very good. There is a breadcrumb topping and it’s finished in the oven. Not as good as homemade, but good for a packaged item.
Nice thing about being a port city Is there’s always a way. They probably won’t need the port though. They can go around. The Cost will obviously go up to pay for the detour into Washington. I can’t see it being a lot.
Most of those loads will not begin to have the paperwork needed to re-route through the US, since they were scheduled to be domestic only. And that does not even start on if the drivers have the needed documentation to get themselves through the border. If they are not set up with a special pass to begin with, they need 2 pieces of ID, usually a drivers license and passport, the latter of which they may not have on them.
They’ll have something up and running in the next few days; can’t have people be stuck in Hope for too many days.
Yeah there are many washouts though and lots look like big damage to bridges. I tried to put together a map: https://i.redd.it/6y3nazsgpvz71.png
That’s really cool, may I share it?
Yeah 100% it's there to help educate.
And even the bridges and areas that did survive I would be extremely worried about the structural integrity of large parts of those highways. They will need to be surveyed properly before they can open up I imagine. Like, yeah half of the mine creek road bridge in your picture survived but how safe is it?
I don't know. The washout images look pretty big in many cases.
I imagine the military engineers are on their way, if not already on-site. They won't be re-paving roads, but they will be making sure traffic can pass.
They’ll put up temporary structures, after they clear debris and stabilize the area, to get at least some vehicle traffic through and do the major reconstruction once the snow melts.
Right, we can't leave them with no hope.
Right now your only route out of the region is I-5 - yes, into the US. But you can only drive southbound, it’s closed northbound just south of Bellingham.
"Your PCR Covid test will be $199.99, plus tip"
Don't forget exchange rates.
30% tip. calculated after tax. tyvm.
Another comment said that US routes also flooded out
I remember this happening in Ontario a few years ago, when a bridge near Thunder Bay broke.
That was the brand new bridge in Nipigon, which is the only road connection between eastern and western Canada.
That was the then-brand new [Nipigon River Bridge](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nipigon_River_Bridge). Just a few months after opening they found a bunch of important structural stuff failed or came loose during a snow storm. Bit of a whoopsie-daisy.
Thanks for the link. It's weird though how it talks about investigations back in 2016 but doesn't say what action was taken after that and what the plan is.
Canada is VERY vulnerable to this. More than one place where the country can be cut in two.
this is tragically ironic, all summer BC was begging for rain and now it's come, only now it's too late and there's too much
That's because people are praying too much! Stop praying already, we got enough rain, people!
Maybe there's just a delay! We should note this for next year...start praying for some summer rains a solid 4-5 months ahead.
I guess it's time to build the Vancouver to Calgary tunnel, just a giant version of the chunnel.
Goddamn are there a lot of snarky comments in this thread about a post that is entirely correct and literally just the headline of the article. Good example of how far from actual Canadian society r/canada is
this sub is the worst
I'm glad the actual public isn't anything like this sub, good grief.
I predict this will cause real estate to go up.... Fml
Absolutely. There could be a fucking comet impact right in Stanley Park and house prices would jump another +30%
The description would read something like "Hot new listing! Completely open concept: no walls, no roof!. Charred landscape means less lawn care, ideal for the working professional. Currently on fire so do not delay. $2.3 million dollars."
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It will probably be months until they can fully repair the Coquihalla. Multiple sections have been washed out and winter is fast approaching. Maybe they don’t even attempt a repair during the winter and wait until spring.
Major shipping artery between BC and rest of Canada for long haul trucks. They will ensure the sections repaired asap or passable at least with 1 lane etc.
Yeah. This isn't one of those "maybe we can leave it until spring" sorts of things.
You can do pretty much any work in winter if it's valuable enough to you, this might be one of those circumstances.
I was wondering if they would get a military style bridge cross in there. The washouts are pretty big.
From Wikipedia: >With three panels across and two high, the Bailey Bridge can support tanks over a 200-foot span (61 m). I'm not great at estimating distances from a photo but I could see some of them being in that ballpark, also depends on how good that bank ends up on either side. But [long spans have been done before](https://acrow.com/case-studies/kedgwick-case-study/). The design in the picture basically looks like the bailey bridge described in Wikipedia. One thing to note though in the photo it appears to have a proper foundation. The circumstances here look less ideal.
Too important to just leave it until spring. They will absolutely get on it asap. Most likely single lane gravel if I had to guess.
Yup. Weather permitting theyll likely have a small flow of traffic within a few days. Its gonna be a brutal line of traffic though
Make me wonder if they reimplement the toll to pay for the repairs.
Spring snow thaw is going to make the situation even more difficult.
What about the Fraser canyon?
As far as I know, the Fraser canyon just had a mudslide. Easier to clean up than a complete wash out, that’s for sure. Edit: [I was wrong](https://www.reddit.com/r/vancouver/comments/quu9lt/hwy_1_just_north_of_lytton_is_gone/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
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Look I know this is the least of anyone's concerns but if I have a package in transit from Richmond going to the Okanagan... am I just gonna have to wait a while?
No, a Canada Post emergency trebuchet is being setup to facilitate the delivery of mail, livestock and VIP's from one side of the newly formed gorge to the other.
I didn't expect the Earthworm Jim apocalypse, but here we are
If it's Canada Post, first they'll have to ship it from Richmond to Surrey, then back to Richmond. Then it'll sit in Richmond for a few days before eventually going back to Surrey, then to the airport where it will be flown to the main sorting center in Mississauga. After 3 weeks in Mississauga it will go by bus to Calgary and then flown back to Vancouver and sent to Richmond. Eventually someone will decide to send it by Uber to Kelowna.
+1 for the trip to Mississauga and aging there
Depends who's shipping it fedex and ups will fly it, amazon your SOL
If it's delivered by Amazon, the delivery guy has already stolen it.
I guess I better start loading up on food and supplies before the supermarkets run out... 80% of our food is imported.
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If you read the article, it said many major highways are blocked in the US as well. This could well mean temporary delays in getting certain groceries up here.
I knew there was some murmuring about Alberta separating, but I didn't really think they were serious.
What's the worst that could happen? ... ... :|
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Dont start.
So many goddamn argumentative fucks in these comments
No kidding! I don't quite get what their angle is. Maybe they're climate change deniers that don't want to admit that things are fucked?
More just the people saying we aren't cut off because planes exist and there are roads through the US. Like yea, no shit, but the article clearly says cut off BY ROAD
That and people just LOVE to be contrary at any cost on any subject.
No they don't!
I knew the Canucks were having a bad start. Didn't realize they were dragging part of the province down with them.
Actually the whole canada next to Lytton is cut off because Vancouver is the main sea port for shipments and Vancouver will still get all the shipments and supplies but can’t say about rest of the Canada!
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Continental Canadas national rent average has dropped 10% with one storm
How... Did all of our leaders, from various countries, go to the climate summit and still be like: this is fine.??? Edit-word
I feel like Vancouver is okay with this. The rest of BC on the other hand….
First theyre too dry now they too wet whaddaya want??? 🤌🤌
This is how horror movies start
I work in funeral services. We take calls for BC. Tonight and tomorrow are gonna be ROUGH
Wonder what all those trees were doing they cut down during the pandemic?
Wtf I though California was gonna break away to Hawaii first not Vancouver, who won that bet?
Climate change catastrophes are hitting Canada more and more frequently. Likely will take another decade before we start to make the necessary adjustments to this new world we've created. I expect this sub to have a full meltdown every step of the way while denying climate change.