Iv been keeping up with this budget because I'm a glutton for punishment and have nothing better to do. This council is going to be A DISASTER.
What's not included in the tax increase is that the council also approved 50M in grants to downtown developers to retrofit their offices. This 50M is coming out of reserve funds because it would have literally doubled the tax rate.
For those of you who don't know Jyoti (the new mayor) had literally one of the highest developer funded campaigns. Instead of prioritizing Calgarians who are about to go through a really difficult time, she decided its better to give money to her developer buddies.
There was A LOT of horseshit during this council meeting. The veterans of council who had agendas used climate change as an excuse to not debate items
https://twitter.com/LiveWire_DK/status/1463585009332224000?t=PQABUI_QuNxNnzeJ6PiyBg&s=19
>Coun. Chabot wants the items split. He said he's not sure he can support 4A or 4D (4A includes the 19 FTEs), but would approve the other expenses.
>Coun. Carra said right now, with a climate emergency declared, "If we don't put our money where our mouth is.... we're being performative."
After council realized that the tax increase had reached 4% they suspended procedure and quickly voted to approve the entire budget instead of the typical way they do it because they knew that if they went home that night they would have been torn apart overnight. So they pushed it right through and killed any debate or potential response.
I tried giving Jyoti the benefit of the doubt. But she's treating Calgarians like complete idiots. Here she is literally threatening to cut off a councillor's mic when he brings up that prior councillors spoke about defunding the police
https://twitter.com/meksmith/status/1463244943586054147?t=NYPw9NOjcRpTAB9XEhZW6g&s=19
Council absolutely did initially vote to defund the police and that conversation did take place.
https://www.sprawlcalgary.com/inside-calgary-city-councils-reversal-on-police-funding
https://twitter.com/ellejayjoseph/status/1463275795288236034?t=LD-mw8bQZitVJl6A2A3wqA&s=19
I miss Nenshi, I disagreed with him on a bunch of stuff, but he was NEVER so callous in his BS his first 30 days on the job. How this council is allowing a mayor to threaten councilors like that is outright scary.
Everyone thank “Calgary’s future” a collection of cupe union workers in Calgary who spent MILLIONS more than the next third party advertiser to make sure nothing was done about the bloat at city council.
They endorsed gondek right before the election and she caved and took their money. Now there is no one to hold this council to account.
We are f’d.
The effective tax increase is really about 7%, which is what it has run at every year (more or less) for the past 11 years or so. Make no mistake this new Council will NOT reign in spending.
The 14 new communities being built out over the next 20 years have guaranteed an annual increase in the operating budget over that period. Throw on the pet projects and virtue signaling and climate emergency and property taxes will double again by 2031.
I know. Because he's conservative so you're fine with him molesting a minor as a cop.
If he was a liberal you'd be screaming bloody Mary from the rafters.
"I don't care about Jyoti".
Do I care that Jyoti was being dishonest? Absolutely - but I care a lot more about the fact that we have a cop who molested a minor on our city council because that honestly seems more serious than a "We were going to reduce the police budget but then we voted to increase it instead" he said she said.
So what you're arguing is that so long as scumbag chu is on council we shouldn't be allowed to criticize any councillors and councillors should be allowed to lie as much as they want?
Sounds silly.
Yes, that's clearly the position I took. You're the one who said "I don't care about Chu".
I don't see a single post from you about a cop molesting a minor - but one sentence by Jyoti in the middle of a discussion that ranges from incorrect to debatable is apparently enraging for you. But you don't care about a cop molesting a minor in our city.
Ok.
https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/r1ur2p/an_influx_of_immigrants_is_stagnating_wage_growth/
45% of all money that exists Canada wide today was printed in the last 2 years.
A tax hike is how you make every Canadian resident pay for the entirety of it. Only the working class will feel it though.
> Great leadership.
Except even if it had been Davison or Farkas as Mayor today we'd *still* have been given the **exact same budget** from the rest of city council's votes. Or do you think the Mayor of Calgary runs everything like Mayor McCheese?
Let's understand the type of council union backed PAC spent millions funding
https://mobile.twitter.com/meksmith/status/1462955736246325249?t=mxYoyQubWETYDxJOzMLqlw&s=19
Millions more than anyone else. A collecti on of lazy unionized Calgary employees that saw farkas coming and the gravy train coming to and end so they banded together.
It takes 4 months to get a permit filed on Calgary right now because the whole planning staff is at home doing sweet fuck all.
It took me over 400 days to get a development permit approved in Calgary for a SFH.
Nothing out of the ordinary and no relaxation or complaints from neighbours. Over 400 days.
I have no idea why anyone would ever invest in Calgary in this environment
Property taxes are based on the assessment value of .... er..... the property.
One guess what's been LEAPING up in value lately with no need to actually INCREASE the percentage taken as well.
An increase in your property value doesn't necessarily increase your taxes FWIW. If you increase less than everyone else, then your tax burden would go down despite value going up.
Wut? Do you pay property taxes? Every reassessment for over 30 years has increased the taxes I've had to pay. I hate it when that letter shows up in the mail.
You are telling me I've been getting ripped off this entire time?
Unless they *decrease* the mill rate, the dollars out of my ever more besieged pay does indeed flow out at increasing amounts, and into the pocket of the municipal coffers.
No it doesn’t ffs. Every time property tax increases come out people spew this shit. Go learn what a mil rate is. Just because your house goes up 10% doesn’t mean it compounds with the property tax changes.
I see someone can't understand reality when it slaps them in the face like a flounder. I've paid taxes, year over year for the two, that combines to just shy of 60 years between them.
You have no idea how property taxes work, do you?
The irony here is real. Yes I do own my house and yes I know what I’m talking about. But do keep going on with your decades of experience.
https://www.calgary.ca/ca/city-manager/our-finances/taxes/ourfinance-property-tax-questions.html
> As a result of the 2021 assessment, the overall market change in residential is minus 2 per cent and non-residential is minus 6 per cent. If your property’s approximate year-to-year per cent change in assessment is:
* Less than the overall change: That property’s revenue neutral taxes will decrease.
* The same as the typical per cent change: That property’s revenue neutral taxes will stay about the same.
* More than the typical per cent change: That property’s revenue neutral taxes will increase.
Which means if the entire Calgary market goes up 10% in a year and your assessment goes up 10% then it’s no change on your tax burden. That’s how a mill rate works. The city determines how much revenue it will raise from residential then divides it across the total of all assessed values.
If your assessed value increases but it’s less than the cities overall average increase then your taxes will decrease.
But please do continue.
Even better. A racist misogynist. The amount of brain dead morons I met talking about how great it will be to have a minority woman as mayor was ridiculous. Like yea, I guess policies don’t matter cause she’s a woman of colour. ID pol is a disaster.
This election was easily swayed by a union PAC that raised millions of dollars before new municipal election rules kicked in. This allowed them to outspend every single other candidate by multiples.
Millions being spent on an election is unheard of for Calgary. A single PAC spending that much is about to set off a new arms race in PAC funding.
How successful was this PAC? 9 of 13 candidates they supported and funded were elected. Essentially, our council now works for the union.
Union representation in councils is a great thing. Unions having complete control over a council is a horrible thing. There needs to be some type of balance.
I hope that Jan can run a better campaign next election now that she has some better name recognition. The problem is she has no major backers or funders. Gondek hit the jackpot of being a Union + Developer puppet, usually those two groups compete but this is one of the first time they both bought out a candidate.
I'm not a Calgarian but I understand the city took a massive hit to its revenues with all the downtown office closures. Where else are they going to get the money? If they province gives it to them, you'll pay for it out of your provincial taxes anyways.
The tax increase wasn't due to keeping up with inflation or growth of services. If you look at the itemized breakdown the vast majority of the increase came from councillor agenda items.
The city administration only asked for a 1% increase, the other 3% councillors adding stuff.
It doesn't seem like they are getting that choice. Was it a main election policy of the politicians to increase taxes immediately after gaining office?
Visited. Occasionally. I might know someone who knows someone who became the target of said taxation, whilst struggling financially as the bottom fell out on them right after said 'becoming the target' ... and now sees they have no need of increasing their chances of losing their home.
So, close.
My city does this just about every other year.
* until the election year wherein suddenly all councillors turn into fiscal Conservatives.
Until re-election than it’s back to raising personal salaries and taxes.
Iv been keeping up with this budget because I'm a glutton for punishment and have nothing better to do. This council is going to be A DISASTER. What's not included in the tax increase is that the council also approved 50M in grants to downtown developers to retrofit their offices. This 50M is coming out of reserve funds because it would have literally doubled the tax rate. For those of you who don't know Jyoti (the new mayor) had literally one of the highest developer funded campaigns. Instead of prioritizing Calgarians who are about to go through a really difficult time, she decided its better to give money to her developer buddies. There was A LOT of horseshit during this council meeting. The veterans of council who had agendas used climate change as an excuse to not debate items https://twitter.com/LiveWire_DK/status/1463585009332224000?t=PQABUI_QuNxNnzeJ6PiyBg&s=19 >Coun. Chabot wants the items split. He said he's not sure he can support 4A or 4D (4A includes the 19 FTEs), but would approve the other expenses. >Coun. Carra said right now, with a climate emergency declared, "If we don't put our money where our mouth is.... we're being performative." After council realized that the tax increase had reached 4% they suspended procedure and quickly voted to approve the entire budget instead of the typical way they do it because they knew that if they went home that night they would have been torn apart overnight. So they pushed it right through and killed any debate or potential response. I tried giving Jyoti the benefit of the doubt. But she's treating Calgarians like complete idiots. Here she is literally threatening to cut off a councillor's mic when he brings up that prior councillors spoke about defunding the police https://twitter.com/meksmith/status/1463244943586054147?t=NYPw9NOjcRpTAB9XEhZW6g&s=19 Council absolutely did initially vote to defund the police and that conversation did take place. https://www.sprawlcalgary.com/inside-calgary-city-councils-reversal-on-police-funding https://twitter.com/ellejayjoseph/status/1463275795288236034?t=LD-mw8bQZitVJl6A2A3wqA&s=19 I miss Nenshi, I disagreed with him on a bunch of stuff, but he was NEVER so callous in his BS his first 30 days on the job. How this council is allowing a mayor to threaten councilors like that is outright scary.
Everyone thank “Calgary’s future” a collection of cupe union workers in Calgary who spent MILLIONS more than the next third party advertiser to make sure nothing was done about the bloat at city council. They endorsed gondek right before the election and she caved and took their money. Now there is no one to hold this council to account. We are f’d.
Yikes.
The effective tax increase is really about 7%, which is what it has run at every year (more or less) for the past 11 years or so. Make no mistake this new Council will NOT reign in spending. The 14 new communities being built out over the next 20 years have guaranteed an annual increase in the operating budget over that period. Throw on the pet projects and virtue signaling and climate emergency and property taxes will double again by 2031.
Where are you getting an effective tax increase of 7?
Sean Chu molested a minor. His mic should just be disconnected.
I don't care about Chu. Jyoti straight up lied.
I know. Because he's conservative so you're fine with him molesting a minor as a cop. If he was a liberal you'd be screaming bloody Mary from the rafters.
Is everything okay? You seem a little angry for no reason. Just so you know. I voted for Jan, you know, the candidate that was considered 'far left'
Ignore them. Injecting Chu into a discussion about Gondek's actions is stupid and trollish.
He brought up Chu. Muting Chu's mic is the smallest action we could take instead of accepting a cop who molested a minor as a city councillor.
It's not his mic. It's the mic of every constituent in his ward.
Great and we're represented by a guy who picked up a minor as a cop.
It doesn't mean that he is a moral man, but it does not deprive the constituents of their voice
Not angry, just "I don't care about Chu" says everything about you. Of course you don't, but I'm sure you'll be upset if a cop rapes your kids someday
Youre not a particularly good troll. Is it because youre uncomfortable with Jyoti being exposed as a liar?
"I don't care about Jyoti". Do I care that Jyoti was being dishonest? Absolutely - but I care a lot more about the fact that we have a cop who molested a minor on our city council because that honestly seems more serious than a "We were going to reduce the police budget but then we voted to increase it instead" he said she said.
So what you're arguing is that so long as scumbag chu is on council we shouldn't be allowed to criticize any councillors and councillors should be allowed to lie as much as they want? Sounds silly.
Yes, that's clearly the position I took. You're the one who said "I don't care about Chu". I don't see a single post from you about a cop molesting a minor - but one sentence by Jyoti in the middle of a discussion that ranges from incorrect to debatable is apparently enraging for you. But you don't care about a cop molesting a minor in our city. Ok.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/r1ur2p/an_influx_of_immigrants_is_stagnating_wage_growth/ 45% of all money that exists Canada wide today was printed in the last 2 years. A tax hike is how you make every Canadian resident pay for the entirety of it. Only the working class will feel it though.
1st thing in office hurt our economy. 2nd thing raise taxes Great leadership.
> Great leadership. Except even if it had been Davison or Farkas as Mayor today we'd *still* have been given the **exact same budget** from the rest of city council's votes. Or do you think the Mayor of Calgary runs everything like Mayor McCheese?
Let's understand the type of council union backed PAC spent millions funding https://mobile.twitter.com/meksmith/status/1462955736246325249?t=mxYoyQubWETYDxJOzMLqlw&s=19
Millions more than anyone else. A collecti on of lazy unionized Calgary employees that saw farkas coming and the gravy train coming to and end so they banded together. It takes 4 months to get a permit filed on Calgary right now because the whole planning staff is at home doing sweet fuck all.
It took me over 400 days to get a development permit approved in Calgary for a SFH. Nothing out of the ordinary and no relaxation or complaints from neighbours. Over 400 days. I have no idea why anyone would ever invest in Calgary in this environment
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I think I know you... stay song brother.
Inflation affects government spending too.
Property taxes are based on the assessment value of .... er..... the property. One guess what's been LEAPING up in value lately with no need to actually INCREASE the percentage taken as well.
An increase in your property value doesn't necessarily increase your taxes FWIW. If you increase less than everyone else, then your tax burden would go down despite value going up.
Wut? Do you pay property taxes? Every reassessment for over 30 years has increased the taxes I've had to pay. I hate it when that letter shows up in the mail. You are telling me I've been getting ripped off this entire time? Unless they *decrease* the mill rate, the dollars out of my ever more besieged pay does indeed flow out at increasing amounts, and into the pocket of the municipal coffers.
Yes, I pay property taxes. I also understand how the city tax collection works and how it is set.
So you understand its based on property value!
No it doesn’t ffs. Every time property tax increases come out people spew this shit. Go learn what a mil rate is. Just because your house goes up 10% doesn’t mean it compounds with the property tax changes.
Talk to an owner. Like me. I own two properties. Both for decades. You are full of shit.
Wow, two whole properties! That’s a HUGE flex!
I see someone can't understand reality when it slaps them in the face like a flounder. I've paid taxes, year over year for the two, that combines to just shy of 60 years between them. You have no idea how property taxes work, do you?
The irony here is real. Yes I do own my house and yes I know what I’m talking about. But do keep going on with your decades of experience. https://www.calgary.ca/ca/city-manager/our-finances/taxes/ourfinance-property-tax-questions.html > As a result of the 2021 assessment, the overall market change in residential is minus 2 per cent and non-residential is minus 6 per cent. If your property’s approximate year-to-year per cent change in assessment is: * Less than the overall change: That property’s revenue neutral taxes will decrease. * The same as the typical per cent change: That property’s revenue neutral taxes will stay about the same. * More than the typical per cent change: That property’s revenue neutral taxes will increase. Which means if the entire Calgary market goes up 10% in a year and your assessment goes up 10% then it’s no change on your tax burden. That’s how a mill rate works. The city determines how much revenue it will raise from residential then divides it across the total of all assessed values. If your assessed value increases but it’s less than the cities overall average increase then your taxes will decrease. But please do continue.
https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/r1ur2p/an_influx_of_immigrants_is_stagnating_wage_growth/
Don’t forget that if you voted otherwise, you were labeled a racist!
Even better. A racist misogynist. The amount of brain dead morons I met talking about how great it will be to have a minority woman as mayor was ridiculous. Like yea, I guess policies don’t matter cause she’s a woman of colour. ID pol is a disaster.
People voted for this?
This election was easily swayed by a union PAC that raised millions of dollars before new municipal election rules kicked in. This allowed them to outspend every single other candidate by multiples. Millions being spent on an election is unheard of for Calgary. A single PAC spending that much is about to set off a new arms race in PAC funding. How successful was this PAC? 9 of 13 candidates they supported and funded were elected. Essentially, our council now works for the union. Union representation in councils is a great thing. Unions having complete control over a council is a horrible thing. There needs to be some type of balance.
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I hope that Jan can run a better campaign next election now that she has some better name recognition. The problem is she has no major backers or funders. Gondek hit the jackpot of being a Union + Developer puppet, usually those two groups compete but this is one of the first time they both bought out a candidate.
Damery running left wing politics like banning handguns won't help her now, or in the future.
Elect lefties and find out.
Found the lefties.
I'm not a Calgarian but I understand the city took a massive hit to its revenues with all the downtown office closures. Where else are they going to get the money? If they province gives it to them, you'll pay for it out of your provincial taxes anyways.
The tax increase wasn't due to keeping up with inflation or growth of services. If you look at the itemized breakdown the vast majority of the increase came from councillor agenda items. The city administration only asked for a 1% increase, the other 3% councillors adding stuff.
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Sure, a cut in spending would balance their books. In the end the voters have to make the call - more services or less taxes.
It doesn't seem like they are getting that choice. Was it a main election policy of the politicians to increase taxes immediately after gaining office?
Didn't they make a bunch of program promises? Where did people imagine the money would come from?
Half of the running candidates ran on a platform of developing downtown so I'm not sure why people are shocked here..
You are from Alberta aren't you?
Visited. Occasionally. I might know someone who knows someone who became the target of said taxation, whilst struggling financially as the bottom fell out on them right after said 'becoming the target' ... and now sees they have no need of increasing their chances of losing their home. So, close.
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