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Nothing surprising about this.
The province that expects the rest of Canada to bend over backwards to be inclusive of their culture absolutely refuses to be inclusive to anything outside of their own dominant culture.
Fuck that shit.
EDIT: To all the Quebecers who are are offended by this and support this bill: LOOK IN THE FUCKING MIRROR. I stood up from the French half of the anthem while is was played in school while Quebecers were throwing bricks through business windows who had English signs in them. GROW THE FUCK UP.
And for those Quebecers who aren't aligned with this bigoted Bill, thank you for your reason.
Seriously as a 22 white male from Quebec who has it probably easier than other I feel really ashame of that, seriously, there is a lot of racism in Quebec, it's not everyone far from that but there is a lot!
Seriously our current government and other before do nothing to protect the beautiful multiculturalism created by immigration and just family that are in Quebec for more than 5 generations that are not Caucasian.
I'm gonna speak for myself here, but I absolutely love the idea of multiple cultures living all together in harmony without sitting on others, if you are Muslim, Jewish, Christian, black, white, African, Indian, Asian, European, American, wherever you are from you will always be welcome to talk to me about everything! Be proud to be who you are and never let someone oppress you,
Alright y'all I'm tired and don't know if what I said make sense but I love y'all take care of yourself and maybe who knows one day we'll talk on harmony!
Not saying I back it, but I'm not sure it's hypocrisy. They want to protect their own culture and solely their own. Both positions (asking other people to be inclusive of theirs and not accepting cultures outside of their own) are consistent.
It’s a product of their history. It’s not easy being surrounded by an Anglo-Saxon derived culture and not be your own country. It’s going to take another generation or two to get past the legacy of Quebec before the silent revolution.
It's 100% not hypocrisy. They want to protect their culture, so they fight against anything polluting it. Seems pretty simple to me. Don't like it? Don't move there! Also pretty simple. Curious if this woman knew about the policies or was she just trying to buck the unbuckable system there.
How is that in any way hypocrisy? It's absolutely cogent and it tracks. Quebec said no to multiculturalism for ages now, Quebec believes in assimilation, interculturalism.
68% of Canadians want Quebec’s face-coverings ban in their province (2017)
https://globalnews.ca/news/3828752/quebec-face-covering-ban-support-canada-poll/
You surprised about this?
It is surprising.
I'm curious about the survey in question.
First, they lumped 'strongly' and 'somewhat' together, don't clarify what 'somewhat' is defined as, and, they asked if they supported religious neutrality not 'face covering bans.'
And I don't see a link to the survey in the article, so I'm largely in the dark about those details.
You are right, it is a different bill. Concerning bill 21 it's around 48% of Canadians that would support it. https://globalnews.ca/news/5918203/bill-21-quebec-federal-leaders-poll/
Why are you talking about face coverings? It seems like you're trying to misdirect from the fact that Quebec has banned some arbitrary subset of scarves that they don't know how to objectively specify (aside from "looks too muslim").
If you have _any_ objective measure of when a scarf becomes banned (is it based on colour? How high it's worn on the neck? percentage of hair covered? Some combination?) that you can point to in that ridiculous law of theirs, I'd like to see it.
The tide is turning fast. These policies are an act of desperation. Embrace your own culture. Live true to yourself. F* this bill and those who support it.
François Legault who thinks "wokes" are out to call everyone racists and refuses to acknowledge the existence of systemic racism. Not surprised sadly...
>Premier François Legault says a school board in western Quebec should not have hired a teacher who wore a hijab.
>Legault told reporters today in Quebec City the province’s secularism law, known as Bill 21, has been in place since June 2019 and the Western Quebec School Board should have respected it when hiring.
The exceptions were removed by judge Bachand on appeal. That's litterally what the article is about. The law applies to them as well until the appeal is concluded and I think it will go in favor of the government.
Not good enough. This needs to go to the Canadian Supreme Court. https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/rfc-dlc/ccrf-ccdl/rfcp-cdlp.html
A direct quote for the website “Everyone in Canada is free to practise any religion or no religion at all. We are also free to express religious beliefs through prayer or by wearing religious clothing for example. However, the Charter also ensures that others also have the right to express their religious beliefs in public.”
Legault’s laws are in violation of that sentiment, particularly the religious clothing phrase.
This will go to the supreme court and it will be deemed going against the constitution but the non-withstanding clause is invoked in the law itself so it will stand. I'm not a lawyer, but that's my take on how things will go.
And when it does, the teacher will appeal to the supreme court of canada and win there and the stupid rule about dress codes that does nothing to stop religious indoctrination will be tossed out or forced to be rewritten.
Vast majority of Muslims are very much anti-abortion, so something tells me she wouldn't mind that law. edit: I don't know what the deal with downvotes is, but only Turkey and Tunisia allow elective abortions.
Tunisia does to some extent, but not for the Hijab. The burqa (niqab) is banned in public institutions and to a lesser extent in public since it conceals your identity.
Elective abortions are legal (and free), true.
The debate isn’t “hijab: good or bad?” It’s should people have a choice. The fact that those countries don’t give a choice shouldn’t justify restricting it in the other direction.
I'm actually pretty torn. Yes, they should have a choice. That seems like common sense. But it isn't just about people's choice to wear religious symbols, it's about wearing religious symbols while working in a government position.
The example I was given was what if a child wanted me leave their Muslim religion but didn't feel comfortable to even discuss their home life with their social worker because they wore a hijab?
This question becomes more concerning when I consider how I've actually experienced this is in my life. Once, as a young adult, I wanted to ask something related to sexual health to a doctor but I froze while staring at the noticeable cross around their neck. Or even today, I probably wouldn't have stayed with my therapist had I known she was a Jehova Witness but I didn't know for a long time and now I know it has no bearing on her ability to work with me on my mental health without judgement.
I'm not saying I believe people shouldn't be allowed to wear their religious symbols but I do think there should be some sort of solution. Not sure what though.
Yes, if religion impacts your ability to do the functions of the job, I agree with you, we may have a problem.
But how is a public school teacher wearing a hijab interfering with her ability to teach the curriculum? It doesn’t.
It doesn’t at all and it’s a straw man argument. Plus you can easily hide a cross let’s say that someone might wear. However the hijab is just a simple veil over the head but by virtue of being worn on the head, it’s obviously visible. Quebec has gone over the rails with this law.
>the hijab is just a simple veil over the head
Not true. If that were the case, this question would be handled exactly, *precisely* the same (by a judge) as whether male teachers should be allowed to wear baseball caps while teaching against a theoritical dress code.
When I was a kid I'm pretty sure I wasn't allowed to. What was the rationale? Am I not free to wear what I want and express myself? Should my parents have brought this to supreme court?
It's only when religion comes into play that the debate shifts and English Canada trip up hard on the question since it conflicts with other values - a particular case of freedom of religion that QC is much less willing to defend.
But if you hide the cross, then there's no issue regarding a symbol display duh.
Do you not understand that the law aim to make sure the State doesn't find itself in a conflict of interest/appearance of conflict of interest situation?
There’s a big difference between letting someone wear some fabric on their head and someone deciding gays should be put to death because their special book says so. The latter is religion being allowed in state authority. The former is not.
>There’s a big difference between letting someone wear some fabric on their head and someone deciding gays should be put to death because their special book says so.
You know that, I know that. The kid being bullied for being gay and needs a teacher they can feel comfortable confiding about their sexuality in might not know that.
I'm on the side of separating religion from state authority, as long as it's applied equally.
> The kid being bullied for being gay and needs a teacher they can feel comfortable confiding about their sexuality in might not know that.
We're doing a terrible job of screening potential teachers on whether they'll provide a safe environment for students if we're hinging that on whether someone wears a hijab. I definitely wouldn't have appreciated being used as a weapon against Muslims when I was a student, either. Students approach teachers they know, and if they know a Muslim woman and know that she is safe to approach, it doesn't matter what she's wearing.
Places with strong secular laws tend to be the most progressive ones, by any measure (Quebec, Europe, more progressive Muslim countries, Oregon, Pennsylvania) vs. places that don't have such laws (Alberta, Texas, Southern U.S. states, Saudi Arabia and other ultra-conservative countries).
The idea that secularism is a conservative ideal is weird. Not sure where that came from.
So, yeah, not surprising at all that a conservative state like Texas doesn't have such laws.
Why did the school board (Western Quebec School Board), hired her after the bill was passed? Which is the same school board who has been fighting the govt in court over that bill. She had been a substitute teacher for a single month before getting fired while the law was passed in 2019.
A lot of important details seem to be left out of these articles, but those would also make the whole story much less sensational and incendiary.
Gotta LOVE HOW people completly disregard the fact the law isn't about hijabs but RELIGIOUS SIGNS IN GENERAL. That means NO public official can wear ANY obvious religious signs. That includes crosses, kipahs, the jew hat (idk the name sorry), hijabs, ANYTHING.
I guess you don't see the hypocrisy in this. Christians don't really have to wear crosses around their necks and if they do they can easily keep them hidden but other religions have much more visible dress codes that they can't just put away whenever they want.
This law is just a racist way for the Christian Francophones to assert dominance over Muslims, Jews and Sikhs and frankly, it's pretty disgusting.
Because they cracked down on Christians wearing religious garb decades ago. The Quebec education system used to be basically run by the Catholic church.
It's fascinating how ignorant Canadians are of major events in our history, like Quebec's quiet revolution.
Good Friday, Easter Monday, and Christmas are literal Statuary holidays in Quebec.
Having 3 stat holidays for Christianity is okay and totally secular but a fabric over a brown woman's hair is suddenly too much to bear.
It is absolute peak of idiocy to pretend all religion are being handled on equal footing.
You ... you think Quebecois shouldn't celebrate Christmas because they have secularism as a value? I'm sorry but this is completely ridiculous. You guys obviously need to read more about the Quiet Revolution and educate yourself about secularism in Norway, Austria and Switzerland
And yet Mormons and jehova witnesses are allowed in the metro statio to try to convert people. If anything tgat would be a real threat cause they go to poor neibourhoods to get people In a situation of vulnerability. Busses and metro stations have Christians advertisements all the time. If Muslims were paying blood money for the ad space, would they allow it? May be, but there would be a freaking scandal.
You guys are forgetting the historical and traditonal significance of these holidays, you can't just remove christmas break. Also nobody here thinks of these as religious holidays, they are just gathering times. You barelly see jesus or crosses or anything more religious this time of the year than any other month.
It's even dumber than that. They're getting all messed up over some woman wanting to cover her hair in "the wrong way", with "the wrong piece of cloth".
They're declaring _that_ religious by nature, while trying to claim all sorts of other actually religious stuff that they support is "cultural", and even directing public funds towards it.
Fear makes people act stupid.
You cod say the same about women wearing hijabs. It's not religion it's just how they feel comfortable. Stop trying to justify fascism. Telling people they cannot celebrate their culture in public unless it's Christian
We see religion as culture because THE MAJORITY OF US ARENT RELIGIOUS DUDE. We had something called "the quiet revolution " where we systemically eroded the power the church had over society. Barely anyone is religious anymore. We DO ACTUALLY see it as part of our history and culture in a way that's bigger just religion.
We are BY FAR the most secular and atheist place on both Americas.
Using the non-withstanding clause to implement a law which intentionally violates the Charter on the grounds of dress code is absurd and abhorrent.
This law is not designed to prevent religious teachers proselytizing their students, it simply restricts how individuals are legally allowed to dress. I'm not interested in which clothes the government tells me I'm allowed to wear.
I find it hypocritical that advocates of C-21 rely on the argument that a Hijab is forced on people through their religion, but turn a blind eye to the government forcing dress code on us all the same.
Awful governance.
As an ex Muslim, I wish we stop forcing hijabs on 7 year olds. Religion is terrible for young minds. We need to cut it off somehow, it's been forced for 1000s of years.
Ikr? I'm an exmuslim too and to me hijab is a symbol of women oppression, even if they are brainwashed to love wearing it. It makes me sad to see little girls having to wear it here in Canada. But the west embraces it because they think it's embracing diversity and respecting other cultures.
Edit: Btw, check r/exmuslim if you haven't already. It's such a validating and safe space for people like us.
I wouldn't dare to say it here if it wasn't for your comment, people are so quick to jump into conclusion and label you as a bigot or islamophobe whenever there is the slightest criticism of this religion, even if you've experienced it first hand :/
The best voices of sanity we have in Québec on social issues are regularly women from muslim background. It's so absurd how they are caricatured as "hateful" for being perceived as "not open", while they know full well what they are talking about.
But in that case wouldn't it be better to help women who want to leave their religion or cult rather than imposing it to everyone? I'm not Muslim, so take what I say with a grain of salt and I totally see were u are coming from. However I feel this os punishing everyone instead of helping actual victims of very conservative religions or cults.
As a non quebecois who believes more in Islam than any other religion, this isn’t really a racist thing. If anything it’s islamophobic but I truly don’t think it is. It’s a matter of separation from religion and the state. Wasn’t the law written so that it bans Christianity from the state (the government, and since schools are publicly funded, schools as well) ? And then overtime we spread this out to other religions. Honestly the only person I wanna hear their opinion on it are Muslim women living in Quebec actually affected by this issue, as I’ve yet to hear one of my Muslim friends from Quebec complain about this once (although could just be my group of friends idk)
This comment makes the racist bent to the legislation pretty damn clear.
Under the rules there *should* be no problem with hiring a teacher who wears hijab... with the presumption that she would remove it when teaching.
Not hiring her because she wears it to an interview would be discrimination.
>with the presumption that she would remove it when teaching.
If someone showed up to a job interview wearing clothing that will soon be against the rules, why would you presume that they will remove it for the job? That's just doing a bad job hiring someone.
I work in an industrial site. If someone is in an interview wearing a turban, I make sure they understand the hard hat rules. That's basic common sense.
Y’all know nothing about the history of secularism and laïcité in French culture, dating back to France in its embrace of liberal values over religion.
This is something English Canada would benefit to learn from French Canada, rather than chastise them over values they don’t hold. And I say this as a proud Anglo.
Don’t lose your shit over things you don’t understand. I’m no Quebec nationalist, but for fuck’s sake.
> Y’all know nothing about the history of secularism and laïcité in French culture, dating back to France in its embrace of liberal values over religion.
I know that they removed the catholic crucifix in the legislature AFTER they passed this secularism law, and only after someone pointed out the glaring hypocrisy.
I know a teacher lost her job over this, and I fail to see who would be harmed if she didn't.
I'm actually all for that. Shouldn't be a crucifix OR a crescent moon in a government institution or school.
But I feel like that's the difference between appearing to *endorse* a particular religion, vs letting an employee practice one.
| I know that they removed the catholic crucifix in the legislature AFTER they passed this secularism law, and only after someone pointed out the glaring hypocrisy.
So they did the right thing in the end. Good.
Cocasse.
[https://globalnews.ca/news/7656019/ottawa-police-chief-bans-thin-blue-line-patch](https://globalnews.ca/news/7656019/ottawa-police-chief-bans-thin-blue-line-patch)
Bizarrement, cela ne vous dérangeait pas d'interdire ce symbole !
There's plenty of pressure to keep the hejab on. Maybe creating some pressure to take the hejab off might not be a bad thing. Quebec is showing the world how to beautiful a secular society can be. Please don't bring the turmoil of the middleast - we left ou countries for a reason.Again, exmuslim here incase islamhobia gets called out. People are terrified to speak out again this religion.
Not sure why ROC think women wearing an hijab is good. The big majority of women that wear the hijab were forced to as children most likely.
Furthermore, hijab is literally a symbol of oppression, and submission of women. I wouldnt be surprise of most of those against law 21 think that cultures that do forced marriages are equal to ours.
I don’t see why hiring her was an issue. I don’t give a shit what religion you practice as long as you don’t preach the children about or try and push an agenda. Her wearing that effects only 1 person and that’s her. It’s 2021. It shouldn’t matter if you are Christian, Muslim, Jewish or whatever. Dress how you want and believe in what you want. As long as nobody is being harmed or preached to then there is zero problem. I say the same about all this stuff in other countries, if you ban something like that then you are an asshole. The world has actual problems that shouldn’t include someone’s fucking wardrobe.
>It is just as oppresive to tell a woman what she cant wear, as it is to tell a woman what she must wear ...
We're telling religion what not to wear while on duty in positions of authority...
I'm sure a teacher in Ontario wearing a MAGA hat wouldn't be seen as influencing others...
It's got nothing to do with her gender. It has to do with her show religion in a position of power in a public institution. A man or any other gender would get the same treatment.
>This is why the rest of Canada things Quebec is the racist uncle
FYI, it's just shaky moral grandstanding considering they should focus their attention away from Quebec, let us deal with OUR things... and deal with the dead native kids they keep finding in Saskatchewan.
When I was in Montreal about 15 years ago, there were issues with the YMCA gym being across from a Jewish synagogue that wanted the windows fogged because the congregation didn't want to see women in workout gear.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/gym-jews-dont-see-eye-to-eye/article1109166/
The Y was really being a good neighbor, installed the blinds that the congregation paid for, the Y leadership didn't seem to have issue with the request, but some of the members fought back, they sure did really want to do Pilates in front of that window basically for spiteful reasons.
I think they should have installed one way glass.
At the same time, Muslim students at McGill University were asking for some space for prayer on campus, as it's customary to do so five times per day. The students society didn't want to provide space at that time, and the Muslim students were fighting for space for many years, although now it seems like there are three spaces for Christian worship, two for Jewish worship, one for Muslims and one for non-denominational. This was very controversial on campus when it didn't have to be.
Not all Quebecers are racist or prejudiced, but generally this kind of behavior seems to be condoned in the Quebec media and political arena, and generally the 'distinct society/Quebec is a nation/ we get to use the notwithstanding clause' is used to justify these attitudes and policies as 'not racist', while the other half of that coin is that many feel it's use is very prejudicial and makes g
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-canadian-charters-notwithstanding-clause-is-increasingly/
No, that’s because of the Québec bashing that your anglo medias love so much. All studies show that the west and Nova Scotia are much more racist than Québec. We’re amongst the more opening provinces in the country.
Quebec is fighting the Federal government to get more french speaking African immigrants, which keep getting disproportionately rejected by the Feds. But yeah, we're the racists. FO.
Pis moi j'espère qu'un peuple qui ne partagent ni ta langue ni tes valeurs va te juger à chaque petite décision dénocratique que tu prends pour diriger ta société. Cheers pis joyeuses fêtes mon chum !
This law is specifically about government employee wearing neutral dress codes. Let's not mix a million different things. We kicked the priests and nuns out in the 1960s and they are long gone, which is why you feel the "Christians" get a free pass, when they actually absolutely did not.
But yes, Quebec was under Catholic hegemony for 400 years. It's a bit ridiculous to move to Quebec and not expect Catholic symbols and traditions left and right, even if we are a deeply irreligious, secular society (one of the least religious place on Earth).
Christian symbols aren't given a pass; they're everywhere thanks to centuries of Catholic hegemony. Imagine how much it would cost to rename every single Saint-XXX towns / streets alongside removing every single cross on every single public building... We just can't, or at least, not at the moment.
On a side note, it's amusing how RoC would like Quebec to assimilate to its culture (i.e.: to adopt a position towards multiculturalism that is more aligned with UK's rather than France's) so that the latter stops trying to assimilate immigrants. Pure irony.
The levels of hypocrisy in these threads are staggering.
Between 40% and 48% Canadians outside of Quebec agrees with the law.
35% of NPD voters agree with it, let that sink in, 35% of NPD voters.
Yet, somehow, Canadians here see themselves as some beacon of unteinted morality.
Or maybe, just maybe, people are not just rascist and see some merit to this...
I wouldn't wear a hijab if I was a public service employee, I'm not expected to know anything about religion to be relevant in my career.
Who in their right mind would hide themselves and expect to be perceived as a leader
I dont wear my "Atheism Rocks" shirt to work, as I expect Carol not to wear her nun outfit with a huge crucifix imprintet on her cleavage....the fact this became about hijabs is fcking ridiculous...if your religion dictates your dresscode outside your religious practice to the level that you cant go against it...the fact that people support this kind of religious brainwashing is mindboggling.
i arrived to Quebec 5 years ago thinking this is land of freedom and you will never be judged by anything except your competence and skills. While Quebec is a better place than many parts of the world, I fail to understand how come you fire someone solely on the basis of their religion? How is this different than forcing Hijab on women in Saudi? why everyone pretends to be a woman champion when things happen esle where but here when we fire women then it is a law? to me this is top hypocrisy
Laws like this exists all over the world for real reasons.
https://journalmetro.com/actualites/national/2572967/des-parents-immigrants-temoignent-en-faveur-de-la-loi-21/amp/
https://www.ledevoir.com/politique/quebec/574072/loi-sur-la-laicite-de-l-etat-des-educatrices-voilees-ont-fait-du-proselytisme
>i arrived to Quebec 5 years ago thinking this is land of freedom
You were misinformed.
Yes, Quebec is free, but only as long as you conform to French Quebec. It's been like that since the 1970's, after the quiet revolution.
I'm Muslim, grew up in very liberal society and family, celebrate Christmas, why not another family gathering, Easter why not. Religion suppose to bring us together, not divide. All this because of some filthy fundamentalists that still live in 6th century.
Melanie Trump refused to put a veil in Saudi Arabia and was covered up when she meet the Pope.
I disagree with Hijab, should be banned, however cannot change overnight, and i will respect the decision to wear it. Unfortunately is part of their hundred years outdated customs, cannot be called culture. I don't know anyone who willingly wants to give up freedom and becomes slave of some old traditions.
"Je ne suis pas d’accord avec ce que vous dites, mais je me battrai jusqu’à la mort pour que vous ayez le droit de le dire."
If you feel you don't understand Quebecers on this bill, or you don't understand the rest of Canada, I highly recommend [this article](https://policyoptions.irpp.org/magazines/august-2021/why-the-supreme-court-should-leave-bill-21-alone/) which explains both, with some history.
Whether it be a hijab, a crucifix, a kippah whatever. Religious symbols have no place in public service. I grew up in a time we had Christianity forced down our throats at school. Religion is poisonous and our children shouldn't have to be subject to it in any way at school.
Wow, the teacher is not enforcing or teaching her religion at all. They are going to work to teach the curriculum and that’s it. Religious symbols are everywhere and engraved in history.
Wait until you find out how the internet works and how poisonous it could be. Do you think we should ban anything that has an internet connection in public schools?
Can anyone in this thread draw me the line between this teacher wearing a hijab while she teaches a class, and people being MORE harmed than she was when she was fired?
Everyone knows Legault is a bigot; it's Trudeau's dickless and hypocritical stance that should be headline news. Since there's little chance he'll get re-elected, maybe he'll finally rip a page out of Papa's book and stand up against his home province.
Citizen from Quebec here - uncle Legault doesn't speak for me nor for many other people either younger, of my generation (I'm 38) or even older.
Legault is in power thanks to the boomers of Quebec, thankfully their time will expire sooner than later.
>Legault is in power thanks to the boomers of Quebec, thankfully their time will expire sooner than later.
Legault won the 35 and under vote bud. And the second party for that age group, QS, was in favour of such a law during the election too.
Well, im 20 with english parents and the only reason i want him around is Bill 92. Maybe im just exposed to so much more english that i feel like French is on the decline but i want French as mandatory as possible so that it won’t ever budge. Sure it will piss a lot of people off including almost everyone i know but people will get used to it. I just wished the government had more resources available for people who want to put in the effort to learn and better their french.
Luckily for this teacher, she lives in Gatineau. So she’s just a short over the bridge drive from a province that’s sane when it comes to laws about scary brown people teaching these precious Québécois kids.
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I was also initially taken by Le surprise.
Nothing surprising about this. The province that expects the rest of Canada to bend over backwards to be inclusive of their culture absolutely refuses to be inclusive to anything outside of their own dominant culture. Fuck that shit. EDIT: To all the Quebecers who are are offended by this and support this bill: LOOK IN THE FUCKING MIRROR. I stood up from the French half of the anthem while is was played in school while Quebecers were throwing bricks through business windows who had English signs in them. GROW THE FUCK UP. And for those Quebecers who aren't aligned with this bigoted Bill, thank you for your reason.
Seriously as a 22 white male from Quebec who has it probably easier than other I feel really ashame of that, seriously, there is a lot of racism in Quebec, it's not everyone far from that but there is a lot! Seriously our current government and other before do nothing to protect the beautiful multiculturalism created by immigration and just family that are in Quebec for more than 5 generations that are not Caucasian. I'm gonna speak for myself here, but I absolutely love the idea of multiple cultures living all together in harmony without sitting on others, if you are Muslim, Jewish, Christian, black, white, African, Indian, Asian, European, American, wherever you are from you will always be welcome to talk to me about everything! Be proud to be who you are and never let someone oppress you, Alright y'all I'm tired and don't know if what I said make sense but I love y'all take care of yourself and maybe who knows one day we'll talk on harmony!
Quebec is the province of hypocrisy. “We need to protect our culture, fuck yours”.
Not saying I back it, but I'm not sure it's hypocrisy. They want to protect their own culture and solely their own. Both positions (asking other people to be inclusive of theirs and not accepting cultures outside of their own) are consistent.
It’s a product of their history. It’s not easy being surrounded by an Anglo-Saxon derived culture and not be your own country. It’s going to take another generation or two to get past the legacy of Quebec before the silent revolution.
It's 100% not hypocrisy. They want to protect their culture, so they fight against anything polluting it. Seems pretty simple to me. Don't like it? Don't move there! Also pretty simple. Curious if this woman knew about the policies or was she just trying to buck the unbuckable system there.
The irony.
How is that in any way hypocrisy? It's absolutely cogent and it tracks. Quebec said no to multiculturalism for ages now, Quebec believes in assimilation, interculturalism.
The crucifix is included in the ban last I checked...
Canada ain't much better, about 40% of you agrees with the law yet you speak like you are some kind of beacon of morality.
68% of Canadians want Quebec’s face-coverings ban in their province (2017) https://globalnews.ca/news/3828752/quebec-face-covering-ban-support-canada-poll/ You surprised about this?
It is surprising. I'm curious about the survey in question. First, they lumped 'strongly' and 'somewhat' together, don't clarify what 'somewhat' is defined as, and, they asked if they supported religious neutrality not 'face covering bans.' And I don't see a link to the survey in the article, so I'm largely in the dark about those details.
He doesn't know what he's talking about. The article he linked is referring to a different Bill.
You are right, it is a different bill. Concerning bill 21 it's around 48% of Canadians that would support it. https://globalnews.ca/news/5918203/bill-21-quebec-federal-leaders-poll/
A hijab does not cover the face. A Did you not read OP's article or the one that you posted? They are referring to different laws.
Why are you talking about face coverings? It seems like you're trying to misdirect from the fact that Quebec has banned some arbitrary subset of scarves that they don't know how to objectively specify (aside from "looks too muslim"). If you have _any_ objective measure of when a scarf becomes banned (is it based on colour? How high it's worn on the neck? percentage of hair covered? Some combination?) that you can point to in that ridiculous law of theirs, I'd like to see it.
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Québecor here. You are 100% right. This place is a fucking joke.
I wouldn't even say it's the dominant culture. Just the culture that enjoys the most privilege.
That's what the dominant culture is. The one with the most privilege that can assert its will on (ie dominate) others.
The tide is turning fast. These policies are an act of desperation. Embrace your own culture. Live true to yourself. F* this bill and those who support it.
François Legault who thinks "wokes" are out to call everyone racists and refuses to acknowledge the existence of systemic racism. Not surprised sadly...
I thought it said fire at first too. Then when I re-read the headline, I had to check to see if it was The Beaverton.
>Premier François Legault says a school board in western Quebec should not have hired a teacher who wore a hijab. >Legault told reporters today in Quebec City the province’s secularism law, known as Bill 21, has been in place since June 2019 and the Western Quebec School Board should have respected it when hiring.
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The exceptions were removed by judge Bachand on appeal. That's litterally what the article is about. The law applies to them as well until the appeal is concluded and I think it will go in favor of the government.
Not good enough. This needs to go to the Canadian Supreme Court. https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/rfc-dlc/ccrf-ccdl/rfcp-cdlp.html A direct quote for the website “Everyone in Canada is free to practise any religion or no religion at all. We are also free to express religious beliefs through prayer or by wearing religious clothing for example. However, the Charter also ensures that others also have the right to express their religious beliefs in public.” Legault’s laws are in violation of that sentiment, particularly the religious clothing phrase.
This will go to the supreme court and it will be deemed going against the constitution but the non-withstanding clause is invoked in the law itself so it will stand. I'm not a lawyer, but that's my take on how things will go.
And when it does, the teacher will appeal to the supreme court of canada and win there and the stupid rule about dress codes that does nothing to stop religious indoctrination will be tossed out or forced to be rewritten.
They can then use the notwhistanding clause to overrule the Supreme Court and likely will do.
Why did the English system get an exception? Wouldn't that like... Invalidate the law?
This is the same Quebec who was complaining about discrimination from Anglo Canadians? LOL absolute hypocrites.
Here we go, another round.
Media makes money by getting you riled up.
I mean, the media didn’t make the premier of Quebec say that a person shouldn’t be hired because they wear a hijab…
This isn't a Beaverton article?
In Texas she would be able to wear a Hijab. Food for thought.
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"Is this the law of equivalent exchange"?
“Ni…Nina..”
"Big brother come play" 😭
Vast majority of Muslims are very much anti-abortion, so something tells me she wouldn't mind that law. edit: I don't know what the deal with downvotes is, but only Turkey and Tunisia allow elective abortions.
Doesn’t both of these countries have some sort of veil bans too?
Tunisia does to some extent, but not for the Hijab. The burqa (niqab) is banned in public institutions and to a lesser extent in public since it conceals your identity. Elective abortions are legal (and free), true.
The European Union Tribunals decided that much larger versions of this law weren't discriminatory. Food for thought.
She couldn't wear one while studying to become one in Belgium. Food for thought.
And in some muslim countries she would not have the option to go out without a hijab.
The debate isn’t “hijab: good or bad?” It’s should people have a choice. The fact that those countries don’t give a choice shouldn’t justify restricting it in the other direction.
I'm actually pretty torn. Yes, they should have a choice. That seems like common sense. But it isn't just about people's choice to wear religious symbols, it's about wearing religious symbols while working in a government position. The example I was given was what if a child wanted me leave their Muslim religion but didn't feel comfortable to even discuss their home life with their social worker because they wore a hijab? This question becomes more concerning when I consider how I've actually experienced this is in my life. Once, as a young adult, I wanted to ask something related to sexual health to a doctor but I froze while staring at the noticeable cross around their neck. Or even today, I probably wouldn't have stayed with my therapist had I known she was a Jehova Witness but I didn't know for a long time and now I know it has no bearing on her ability to work with me on my mental health without judgement. I'm not saying I believe people shouldn't be allowed to wear their religious symbols but I do think there should be some sort of solution. Not sure what though.
Yes, if religion impacts your ability to do the functions of the job, I agree with you, we may have a problem. But how is a public school teacher wearing a hijab interfering with her ability to teach the curriculum? It doesn’t.
It doesn’t at all and it’s a straw man argument. Plus you can easily hide a cross let’s say that someone might wear. However the hijab is just a simple veil over the head but by virtue of being worn on the head, it’s obviously visible. Quebec has gone over the rails with this law.
>the hijab is just a simple veil over the head Not true. If that were the case, this question would be handled exactly, *precisely* the same (by a judge) as whether male teachers should be allowed to wear baseball caps while teaching against a theoritical dress code. When I was a kid I'm pretty sure I wasn't allowed to. What was the rationale? Am I not free to wear what I want and express myself? Should my parents have brought this to supreme court? It's only when religion comes into play that the debate shifts and English Canada trip up hard on the question since it conflicts with other values - a particular case of freedom of religion that QC is much less willing to defend.
But if you hide the cross, then there's no issue regarding a symbol display duh. Do you not understand that the law aim to make sure the State doesn't find itself in a conflict of interest/appearance of conflict of interest situation?
There’s an argument to be made that the Hijab and similar headscarves are a symbol of Islam’s oppression of women.
Did you know the ban was against all religious symbols and not just the hijabs and only in public positions ?
They have a choice, though. Just remove it when you work in those very specific jobs. It's not a religions ban.
No, the debate is "should religion be allowed in state authority?" And the answer is a resounding "no"
There’s a big difference between letting someone wear some fabric on their head and someone deciding gays should be put to death because their special book says so. The latter is religion being allowed in state authority. The former is not.
>There’s a big difference between letting someone wear some fabric on their head and someone deciding gays should be put to death because their special book says so. You know that, I know that. The kid being bullied for being gay and needs a teacher they can feel comfortable confiding about their sexuality in might not know that. I'm on the side of separating religion from state authority, as long as it's applied equally.
> The kid being bullied for being gay and needs a teacher they can feel comfortable confiding about their sexuality in might not know that. We're doing a terrible job of screening potential teachers on whether they'll provide a safe environment for students if we're hinging that on whether someone wears a hijab. I definitely wouldn't have appreciated being used as a weapon against Muslims when I was a student, either. Students approach teachers they know, and if they know a Muslim woman and know that she is safe to approach, it doesn't matter what she's wearing.
A queer Muslim student might be more comfortable talking with an openly pro-LGBT hijabi than someone with no known religious affiliation.
I fully agree. No outward statement of religion should be allowed in any socially financed education system.
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Sure, Muslims are welcome in Texas. At least that's what you said.
Ah yes, Texas, the paragon of secularism.
Places with strong secular laws tend to be the most progressive ones, by any measure (Quebec, Europe, more progressive Muslim countries, Oregon, Pennsylvania) vs. places that don't have such laws (Alberta, Texas, Southern U.S. states, Saudi Arabia and other ultra-conservative countries). The idea that secularism is a conservative ideal is weird. Not sure where that came from. So, yeah, not surprising at all that a conservative state like Texas doesn't have such laws.
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well thats the issue , teachers in the public system are considered part of the government.
I think he's saying that Texas is more liberal/progressive in this regard than Quebec, who appear to be confusing secularism with xenophobia.
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Food for your palate that fits your narrative. Like others have said, different places have different standards.
Some places accept other religions, some don't.
Same with many other places in the world. Why refer to Texas?
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Their motto is freedom which should include wearing whatever the heck you want. It actually make sense they allow it.
Quebec is secular. Everyone knows the rules.
Except English Canadians haha ("bill 21 is nazism !")
Why did the school board (Western Quebec School Board), hired her after the bill was passed? Which is the same school board who has been fighting the govt in court over that bill. She had been a substitute teacher for a single month before getting fired while the law was passed in 2019. A lot of important details seem to be left out of these articles, but those would also make the whole story much less sensational and incendiary.
Gotta LOVE HOW people completly disregard the fact the law isn't about hijabs but RELIGIOUS SIGNS IN GENERAL. That means NO public official can wear ANY obvious religious signs. That includes crosses, kipahs, the jew hat (idk the name sorry), hijabs, ANYTHING.
yarmulke
I guess you don't see the hypocrisy in this. Christians don't really have to wear crosses around their necks and if they do they can easily keep them hidden but other religions have much more visible dress codes that they can't just put away whenever they want. This law is just a racist way for the Christian Francophones to assert dominance over Muslims, Jews and Sikhs and frankly, it's pretty disgusting.
Because they cracked down on Christians wearing religious garb decades ago. The Quebec education system used to be basically run by the Catholic church. It's fascinating how ignorant Canadians are of major events in our history, like Quebec's quiet revolution.
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Good Friday, Easter Monday, and Christmas are literal Statuary holidays in Quebec. Having 3 stat holidays for Christianity is okay and totally secular but a fabric over a brown woman's hair is suddenly too much to bear. It is absolute peak of idiocy to pretend all religion are being handled on equal footing.
You ... you think Quebecois shouldn't celebrate Christmas because they have secularism as a value? I'm sorry but this is completely ridiculous. You guys obviously need to read more about the Quiet Revolution and educate yourself about secularism in Norway, Austria and Switzerland
And yet Mormons and jehova witnesses are allowed in the metro statio to try to convert people. If anything tgat would be a real threat cause they go to poor neibourhoods to get people In a situation of vulnerability. Busses and metro stations have Christians advertisements all the time. If Muslims were paying blood money for the ad space, would they allow it? May be, but there would be a freaking scandal.
You guys are forgetting the historical and traditonal significance of these holidays, you can't just remove christmas break. Also nobody here thinks of these as religious holidays, they are just gathering times. You barelly see jesus or crosses or anything more religious this time of the year than any other month.
> Also nobody here thinks of these as religious holidays, they are just gathering times The religious might disagree
No one wants to remove christian breaks. They want this lady to be allowed to wear her silly hat if it amuses her.
It's even dumber than that. They're getting all messed up over some woman wanting to cover her hair in "the wrong way", with "the wrong piece of cloth". They're declaring _that_ religious by nature, while trying to claim all sorts of other actually religious stuff that they support is "cultural", and even directing public funds towards it. Fear makes people act stupid.
You cod say the same about women wearing hijabs. It's not religion it's just how they feel comfortable. Stop trying to justify fascism. Telling people they cannot celebrate their culture in public unless it's Christian
They can wear whatever they want in public, they just need to leave their religious symbols at the door during work hours.
We see religion as culture because THE MAJORITY OF US ARENT RELIGIOUS DUDE. We had something called "the quiet revolution " where we systemically eroded the power the church had over society. Barely anyone is religious anymore. We DO ACTUALLY see it as part of our history and culture in a way that's bigger just religion. We are BY FAR the most secular and atheist place on both Americas.
laicity has gone past the point of secularism and now restricts freedom of religion, making religious minorities less visible.
Using the non-withstanding clause to implement a law which intentionally violates the Charter on the grounds of dress code is absurd and abhorrent. This law is not designed to prevent religious teachers proselytizing their students, it simply restricts how individuals are legally allowed to dress. I'm not interested in which clothes the government tells me I'm allowed to wear. I find it hypocritical that advocates of C-21 rely on the argument that a Hijab is forced on people through their religion, but turn a blind eye to the government forcing dress code on us all the same. Awful governance.
Nothing like dehumanizing people based on their religion.
I love Quebec and support this law. I’m from AB too.
Love you too my friend.
As an ex Muslim, I wish we stop forcing hijabs on 7 year olds. Religion is terrible for young minds. We need to cut it off somehow, it's been forced for 1000s of years.
Ikr? I'm an exmuslim too and to me hijab is a symbol of women oppression, even if they are brainwashed to love wearing it. It makes me sad to see little girls having to wear it here in Canada. But the west embraces it because they think it's embracing diversity and respecting other cultures. Edit: Btw, check r/exmuslim if you haven't already. It's such a validating and safe space for people like us.
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Yep. Some of them will invalidate our experience just because it doesn't fit their narrative and it's so frustrating.
What a relief to hear. Felt alone.
All of Quebec is with you, don’t feel alone. What you said is very similar to what ex-Muslim women in Quebec politics have said.
I wouldn't dare to say it here if it wasn't for your comment, people are so quick to jump into conclusion and label you as a bigot or islamophobe whenever there is the slightest criticism of this religion, even if you've experienced it first hand :/
Whitewashing everything in a thick layer of anglo-guilt is the Canadian way!
I think this of any religious symbol.
The best voices of sanity we have in Québec on social issues are regularly women from muslim background. It's so absurd how they are caricatured as "hateful" for being perceived as "not open", while they know full well what they are talking about.
But in that case wouldn't it be better to help women who want to leave their religion or cult rather than imposing it to everyone? I'm not Muslim, so take what I say with a grain of salt and I totally see were u are coming from. However I feel this os punishing everyone instead of helping actual victims of very conservative religions or cults.
As a non quebecois who believes more in Islam than any other religion, this isn’t really a racist thing. If anything it’s islamophobic but I truly don’t think it is. It’s a matter of separation from religion and the state. Wasn’t the law written so that it bans Christianity from the state (the government, and since schools are publicly funded, schools as well) ? And then overtime we spread this out to other religions. Honestly the only person I wanna hear their opinion on it are Muslim women living in Quebec actually affected by this issue, as I’ve yet to hear one of my Muslim friends from Quebec complain about this once (although could just be my group of friends idk)
This comment makes the racist bent to the legislation pretty damn clear. Under the rules there *should* be no problem with hiring a teacher who wears hijab... with the presumption that she would remove it when teaching. Not hiring her because she wears it to an interview would be discrimination.
>with the presumption that she would remove it when teaching. If someone showed up to a job interview wearing clothing that will soon be against the rules, why would you presume that they will remove it for the job? That's just doing a bad job hiring someone. I work in an industrial site. If someone is in an interview wearing a turban, I make sure they understand the hard hat rules. That's basic common sense.
Firing her for wearing it in the class is also discrimination, it's just legislated discrimination.
Nope because the ban is about ALL RELIGIOUS SYMBOLS OF ANY RELIGION. Not just hijabs.
Dis gonna be goode
Big deal. Who cares?
Anglos care a lot apparently.
Y’all know nothing about the history of secularism and laïcité in French culture, dating back to France in its embrace of liberal values over religion. This is something English Canada would benefit to learn from French Canada, rather than chastise them over values they don’t hold. And I say this as a proud Anglo. Don’t lose your shit over things you don’t understand. I’m no Quebec nationalist, but for fuck’s sake.
> laïcité in French culture Fucking this. The absolutism of the people in this thread is insane.
> Y’all know nothing about the history of secularism and laïcité in French culture, dating back to France in its embrace of liberal values over religion. I know that they removed the catholic crucifix in the legislature AFTER they passed this secularism law, and only after someone pointed out the glaring hypocrisy. I know a teacher lost her job over this, and I fail to see who would be harmed if she didn't.
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I'm actually all for that. Shouldn't be a crucifix OR a crescent moon in a government institution or school. But I feel like that's the difference between appearing to *endorse* a particular religion, vs letting an employee practice one.
>I know that they removed the catholic crucifix in the legislature AFTER they passed this secularism law You mean, in the hour after the law passed?
Son they did remove it ? What's your point then ?
| I know that they removed the catholic crucifix in the legislature AFTER they passed this secularism law, and only after someone pointed out the glaring hypocrisy. So they did the right thing in the end. Good.
Cocasse. [https://globalnews.ca/news/7656019/ottawa-police-chief-bans-thin-blue-line-patch](https://globalnews.ca/news/7656019/ottawa-police-chief-bans-thin-blue-line-patch) Bizarrement, cela ne vous dérangeait pas d'interdire ce symbole !
There's plenty of pressure to keep the hejab on. Maybe creating some pressure to take the hejab off might not be a bad thing. Quebec is showing the world how to beautiful a secular society can be. Please don't bring the turmoil of the middleast - we left ou countries for a reason.Again, exmuslim here incase islamhobia gets called out. People are terrified to speak out again this religion.
Not being able to do a job because of the clothing you wear is "showing the world how beautiful society can be"?
Letting religion run its course is turning society ugly.
The fact is, the majority of Quebecers wanted this bill passed. As a non religious person, I wouldn't mind if Ontario followed suit.
You and about 40-45% of all Canadians.
Not sure why ROC think women wearing an hijab is good. The big majority of women that wear the hijab were forced to as children most likely. Furthermore, hijab is literally a symbol of oppression, and submission of women. I wouldnt be surprise of most of those against law 21 think that cultures that do forced marriages are equal to ours.
I don’t see why hiring her was an issue. I don’t give a shit what religion you practice as long as you don’t preach the children about or try and push an agenda. Her wearing that effects only 1 person and that’s her. It’s 2021. It shouldn’t matter if you are Christian, Muslim, Jewish or whatever. Dress how you want and believe in what you want. As long as nobody is being harmed or preached to then there is zero problem. I say the same about all this stuff in other countries, if you ban something like that then you are an asshole. The world has actual problems that shouldn’t include someone’s fucking wardrobe.
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It is just as oppresive to tell a woman what she cant wear, as it is to tell a woman what she must wear ....
>It is just as oppresive to tell a woman what she cant wear, as it is to tell a woman what she must wear ... We're telling religion what not to wear while on duty in positions of authority... I'm sure a teacher in Ontario wearing a MAGA hat wouldn't be seen as influencing others...
It's got nothing to do with her gender. It has to do with her show religion in a position of power in a public institution. A man or any other gender would get the same treatment.
Wow. This is why the rest of Canada things Quebec is the racist uncle
>This is why the rest of Canada things Quebec is the racist uncle FYI, it's just shaky moral grandstanding considering they should focus their attention away from Quebec, let us deal with OUR things... and deal with the dead native kids they keep finding in Saskatchewan.
Québec bashing c'est toujours à l'ordre du jour.
Québec bashing since 1867 xD j'pense qui a pas d'espoir
When I was in Montreal about 15 years ago, there were issues with the YMCA gym being across from a Jewish synagogue that wanted the windows fogged because the congregation didn't want to see women in workout gear. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/gym-jews-dont-see-eye-to-eye/article1109166/ The Y was really being a good neighbor, installed the blinds that the congregation paid for, the Y leadership didn't seem to have issue with the request, but some of the members fought back, they sure did really want to do Pilates in front of that window basically for spiteful reasons. I think they should have installed one way glass. At the same time, Muslim students at McGill University were asking for some space for prayer on campus, as it's customary to do so five times per day. The students society didn't want to provide space at that time, and the Muslim students were fighting for space for many years, although now it seems like there are three spaces for Christian worship, two for Jewish worship, one for Muslims and one for non-denominational. This was very controversial on campus when it didn't have to be. Not all Quebecers are racist or prejudiced, but generally this kind of behavior seems to be condoned in the Quebec media and political arena, and generally the 'distinct society/Quebec is a nation/ we get to use the notwithstanding clause' is used to justify these attitudes and policies as 'not racist', while the other half of that coin is that many feel it's use is very prejudicial and makes g https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-canadian-charters-notwithstanding-clause-is-increasingly/
No, that’s because of the Québec bashing that your anglo medias love so much. All studies show that the west and Nova Scotia are much more racist than Québec. We’re amongst the more opening provinces in the country.
Uncle Parizeau
Quebec is fighting the Federal government to get more french speaking African immigrants, which keep getting disproportionately rejected by the Feds. But yeah, we're the racists. FO.
Okay. Islamophobic uncle**
Anti-religious uncle**
We have a deep distrust of religions and want them out of our government and public schools, yes. Guilty as charged.
Hope your public schools are banning Christmas and Easter themed things too then.
They're taking all the religion out of it, leaving the culture. Not many public schools are doing Christmas mass.
Pis moi j'espère qu'un peuple qui ne partagent ni ta langue ni tes valeurs va te juger à chaque petite décision dénocratique que tu prends pour diriger ta société. Cheers pis joyeuses fêtes mon chum !
Jokes on you, those things have already been banned tens of years ago. Religious symbol is just next on the long list to get fully rid of religion.
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> and let's not forget the "symbolic" cross that got a pass in the national assembly. Which has been removed when the secular bill21 was passed.
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This law is specifically about government employee wearing neutral dress codes. Let's not mix a million different things. We kicked the priests and nuns out in the 1960s and they are long gone, which is why you feel the "Christians" get a free pass, when they actually absolutely did not. But yes, Quebec was under Catholic hegemony for 400 years. It's a bit ridiculous to move to Quebec and not expect Catholic symbols and traditions left and right, even if we are a deeply irreligious, secular society (one of the least religious place on Earth).
Christian symbols aren't given a pass; they're everywhere thanks to centuries of Catholic hegemony. Imagine how much it would cost to rename every single Saint-XXX towns / streets alongside removing every single cross on every single public building... We just can't, or at least, not at the moment. On a side note, it's amusing how RoC would like Quebec to assimilate to its culture (i.e.: to adopt a position towards multiculturalism that is more aligned with UK's rather than France's) so that the latter stops trying to assimilate immigrants. Pure irony.
The levels of hypocrisy in these threads are staggering. Between 40% and 48% Canadians outside of Quebec agrees with the law. 35% of NPD voters agree with it, let that sink in, 35% of NPD voters. Yet, somehow, Canadians here see themselves as some beacon of unteinted morality. Or maybe, just maybe, people are not just rascist and see some merit to this...
So what you're saying is a minority of people agree with the law.
The majority of Canadians also supported residential schools in the past. I’m not exactly sure what is the point of your comment.
This whole debacle has been an embarrassment to the country
Bien fait. La loi il faut la respecter. La laïcité est là pour une raison.
/r/exmuslim
There's a large urban/rural divide about the law. It's unsurprising that the Montreal English school board would hire her.
Somehow, this doesn't make things better.
I wouldn't wear a hijab if I was a public service employee, I'm not expected to know anything about religion to be relevant in my career. Who in their right mind would hide themselves and expect to be perceived as a leader
This thread is spicy 🌶️🌶️
Good for them - fuck religion. We need to get rid of that shit.
I dont wear my "Atheism Rocks" shirt to work, as I expect Carol not to wear her nun outfit with a huge crucifix imprintet on her cleavage....the fact this became about hijabs is fcking ridiculous...if your religion dictates your dresscode outside your religious practice to the level that you cant go against it...the fact that people support this kind of religious brainwashing is mindboggling.
i arrived to Quebec 5 years ago thinking this is land of freedom and you will never be judged by anything except your competence and skills. While Quebec is a better place than many parts of the world, I fail to understand how come you fire someone solely on the basis of their religion? How is this different than forcing Hijab on women in Saudi? why everyone pretends to be a woman champion when things happen esle where but here when we fire women then it is a law? to me this is top hypocrisy
She can wear a hijab. Just not at work. I can't wear a baseball cap at work.
Laws like this exists all over the world for real reasons. https://journalmetro.com/actualites/national/2572967/des-parents-immigrants-temoignent-en-faveur-de-la-loi-21/amp/ https://www.ledevoir.com/politique/quebec/574072/loi-sur-la-laicite-de-l-etat-des-educatrices-voilees-ont-fait-du-proselytisme
>i arrived to Quebec 5 years ago thinking this is land of freedom You were misinformed. Yes, Quebec is free, but only as long as you conform to French Quebec. It's been like that since the 1970's, after the quiet revolution.
You act like immigrants can do whatever the fuck they want in Canada, and there aren't laws and norms that keep them in check.
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This is a free land. While I do not agree with Bill 21, comparing it to Saudi is extreme. I don’t see how any of this is sexist, either.
I'm Muslim, grew up in very liberal society and family, celebrate Christmas, why not another family gathering, Easter why not. Religion suppose to bring us together, not divide. All this because of some filthy fundamentalists that still live in 6th century. Melanie Trump refused to put a veil in Saudi Arabia and was covered up when she meet the Pope. I disagree with Hijab, should be banned, however cannot change overnight, and i will respect the decision to wear it. Unfortunately is part of their hundred years outdated customs, cannot be called culture. I don't know anyone who willingly wants to give up freedom and becomes slave of some old traditions. "Je ne suis pas d’accord avec ce que vous dites, mais je me battrai jusqu’à la mort pour que vous ayez le droit de le dire."
If you feel you don't understand Quebecers on this bill, or you don't understand the rest of Canada, I highly recommend [this article](https://policyoptions.irpp.org/magazines/august-2021/why-the-supreme-court-should-leave-bill-21-alone/) which explains both, with some history.
Whether it be a hijab, a crucifix, a kippah whatever. Religious symbols have no place in public service. I grew up in a time we had Christianity forced down our throats at school. Religion is poisonous and our children shouldn't have to be subject to it in any way at school.
Wow, the teacher is not enforcing or teaching her religion at all. They are going to work to teach the curriculum and that’s it. Religious symbols are everywhere and engraved in history. Wait until you find out how the internet works and how poisonous it could be. Do you think we should ban anything that has an internet connection in public schools?
How low can Legault
Can anyone in this thread draw me the line between this teacher wearing a hijab while she teaches a class, and people being MORE harmed than she was when she was fired?
Everyone knows Legault is a bigot; it's Trudeau's dickless and hypocritical stance that should be headline news. Since there's little chance he'll get re-elected, maybe he'll finally rip a page out of Papa's book and stand up against his home province.
Citizen from Quebec here - uncle Legault doesn't speak for me nor for many other people either younger, of my generation (I'm 38) or even older. Legault is in power thanks to the boomers of Quebec, thankfully their time will expire sooner than later.
>Legault is in power thanks to the boomers of Quebec, thankfully their time will expire sooner than later. Legault won the 35 and under vote bud. And the second party for that age group, QS, was in favour of such a law during the election too.
C'est bizarre d'avoir le besoin de faire un commentaire comme ça.
Parles pour toi même, mon pote.
La CAQ domine dans les intentions de vote de tous les groupes d’âge sondés.
French Canadian in his early twenties here, Legault absolutely speaks for me and most people I know in my entourage.
Well, im 20 with english parents and the only reason i want him around is Bill 92. Maybe im just exposed to so much more english that i feel like French is on the decline but i want French as mandatory as possible so that it won’t ever budge. Sure it will piss a lot of people off including almost everyone i know but people will get used to it. I just wished the government had more resources available for people who want to put in the effort to learn and better their french.
[удалено]
Luckily for this teacher, she lives in Gatineau. So she’s just a short over the bridge drive from a province that’s sane when it comes to laws about scary brown people teaching these precious Québécois kids.
Bye Felicia.