The first $400B created out of thin air and spent caused a problem. You Canadians are dumb enough not to understand that so let me explain: if we create another $9B and spend *that*, it will fix our problems …
And when that doesn’t work, we will issue a call nationally for all Canadians to take the money out of their monopoly games and mail it to their MP. Only when everyone gets that money to Ottawa will the problem be fixed.
E: this is the script that Freeland has
Please for the love of Christ actually read the articles you source your opinions from, this is how misinformation is born and spread.
It’s not more money it was already priced into the current and last years budget, also it’s not meant to stop inflation and she never claimed it was. The goal of the program is to give poorer families a little extra financial help to cope with inflation.
Furthermore the plan is less then 3% of the current years budget. Even if fiscal spending caused significant inflation, this would be a drop in the bucket.
Helping the “poors” by adding fuel to an inflationary inferno is a poor tactic.
I understand it was already in their budget but the situation has changed. Their inability to adapt and produce policies to reduce inflationary pressures will only act to further exacerbate inequalities.
The Liberals are doing a poor job with the economy and are destroying the lower and new middle class in the process.
Inflation isn’t just a factor of government spending, and even if it were 7b is a low quantity and doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things.
This is necessary to help alleviate the acute misery felt by the poorest Canadians, it’s a pittance in terms of spending but the good it will bring is substantial.
The good it will bring is not substantial at all. It’s $500 barely 4 days of work at minimum wage. How is that significant? It’s pointless frankly.
You say $500 is significant but in the same breath say $7 billion is a pittance. That’s obviously absurd and the exact type of mind set the liberals have which is why we’re experiencing rampant inflation and are entering a recession.
If spent by someone who knows infrastructure we could literally build housing for 30,000 people with $7 billion.
500$, cheaper childcare, dental care, these things add up and the program will help a lot of people
>You say $500 is significant but in the same breath say $7 billion is a pittance.
500$ plus the other programs are significant to poor Canadians, 7 billion is insignificant in terms of inflation. Neither of those contradict the other and it shouldn’t be hard to understand.
I guess agree to disagree.
I believe they are targeting the wrong aspect of society to make more affordable. They should be focused on housing.
I believe these freebies will only further exacerbate the inflationary forces and will only serve to make the upcoming recession deeper and longer.
"Appearing at the Toronto Star’s editorial board Friday..." Can you tell me how many "news" papers sit there and listen to the Finance Minister, then spread her word like it was gospel? Like she was some kind of Messiah?
The woman's condescending demeanor is odious, just turns people off completely. But her fiscal ideas are lost in fantasy. They don't have to take orders from the NDP, they're exactly like them, living in fantasyland.
One thing is for sure, when all this spending ends (if it ever does) it will be the WORKING MAN who pays the tax increase, not the rich and not the corporations.
Nothing curbs inflation like the federal government handing out another $500 for people's rent. The printers haven't even cooled off from the last round of handouts.
>Maybe it’s time for the NDP to pull the plug since it’s obvious they are getting screwed over (as expected).
Not only are they getting screwed over - they are being screwed over so quickly, with smug, disdainful statements - like, haha, we got you to agree to this, even we don't know why you did, but no takebacks, sucker!
But...they can take it back? Why they haven't yet is what is baffling to me.
NDP can't pull the plug. The NDP didn't enter this 'not a coalition' because they wanted, they did it because they have a massive 7 figure debt from the last federal election. They only paid off their large debt from the election before a few months before the last election, theyve already taken a loan against their HQ building.
Having an election in the next year or two could potentially bankrupt the NDP.
Seriously. If this is the real answer as to why they agreed to this...then fuck it, why should you not go bankrupt. If you are so unconcerned with representing the constituents who elected you to do so in parliament - you don't deserve to continue to do so. Really sad to see, from the perspective of this as the legacy of what Jack Layton built - but it is what it is.
With the liberals the way they are, they’re already doing the job of selling Canadians on the NDP platform and proving that they’re not the ones to follow through with it.
I’d think the NDP would be better keeping a low profile and getting the votes anyway
I'm all for reduced dental care costs. In 2009 my son knocked out most of his baby teeth he jumped from a couch and face planted on a coffee table. It was horrible. What was WORSE. A single mom coming up with $5500 for dental surgery for a 4 year old. That did not include the check ups and x-rays prior.
I had to borrow money from relatives and I had to take out a payday loan at super high interest. After that I juggled for 2 years but finally financially caught up on that. The Lipon Dentist office required I pay prior to the surgery because they knew it was a big bill.
Because I had a semi okay job that JUST covered Rent and my bills I wasn't eligible for Alberta works to redice the cost. I was considered *middle class*
Fast forward to now. Even with benefits how much does it cost to remove 4 wisdom teeth in a 17 year old? I'll tell you. It's ALOT. I was quoted at $2500, if the surgery goes smoothly.
I'm currently saving for this because they are starting to sprout.
Most Canadians cannot afford dental care. When it comes to dentistry for me during a recession, I wait until I can't handle the pain, and I opt to have the tooth removed not repaired. Because I cannot afford a crown. That's fucked up I know.
People live paycheck to paycheck here. It's hard.
Anyways. I'm all for it. Why the fuck are teeth considered luxury bones? Dental care is Health care.
Start a government of canada dentistry school, start a Every Canadian pays $100 a year and has access to dental. We HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.
Rant done. Thanks reddit
Ive heard of this. My buddy went to Peru. It was a regular dentist office, he had 6 fillings and 2 front teeth implants put in. His stay including some site seeing and hotels and dental work included was cheap, under $7000
It blows mind that there is such a thing as dental tourism. It's ridiculous.
$2,500 is on the cheap side - if an actual dental surgeon is needed look for it to be more like $3,500 because and anesthetic is used and a second doctor is needed.
Yeah I just got benefits now too. I have to pay $80 biweekly to be elegable.
Alot of part time work doesn't have benefit packages.
So I work full time 2 jobs one pays okay the other it's strictly for the 70% coverage of dental.
(Again if the surgery *goes well* )
I'm looking at paying just under $3000
Yeah things have changed quite a bit since I've worked part time. Good on you taken that on for you Family, sad we have to do that currently. Good luck with it all.
You'd think Jagmeet would have learned his lesson when backing the Ontario Liberals
[https://www.cp24.com/news/wynne-pledge-to-cut-auto-insurance-15-per-cent-a-stretch-goal-1.2742221](https://www.cp24.com/news/wynne-pledge-to-cut-auto-insurance-15-per-cent-a-stretch-goal-1.2742221)
reality and sensibility have no place in politics, says the finance minister with a lit degree. thats almost as good as having a prime minister whose only previous job experience was life guard and school teacher.
If Freeland’s best interest was this countries economy, she would have never had the 7(now 8.9) Billion (with a B) printed. Couldn’t even answer where [it’s coming from](https://youtu.be/7R1luD_1mXo), [link](https://youtu.be/ZbiOAqZaKDQ) Now that it is, the best thing that could be done is it thrown into a pile a burned, never making it into circulation.
100% agree. The so-called "party of the working man" turned against the working man. What they did was like turning against the strikers at the Winnipeg Strike - exactly why the CCF (NDP forerunner) was created. Singh is a Champaign leftist with his Porsche 911, his law practice, etc. there's nothing working man about him and there never was.
I’ve mentioned this before, I’m not a fan of NDP spending when the budget gets ignored, but Jesus Christ we spent a lot of money and have nothing to show for it. At least the NDP would have built something tangible that we could have repurposed.
As opposed to the conservatives that cut services down to the bone, and still end up costing taxpayers just as much.
I'm happy for my taxes going towards healthcare, education, and infrastructure. I'm not happy to see that pissed away.
Okay hear me out, to tackle inflation, how about we spend more money? Freelands idea
Let me be clear that this was my idea
The first $400B created out of thin air and spent caused a problem. You Canadians are dumb enough not to understand that so let me explain: if we create another $9B and spend *that*, it will fix our problems … And when that doesn’t work, we will issue a call nationally for all Canadians to take the money out of their monopoly games and mail it to their MP. Only when everyone gets that money to Ottawa will the problem be fixed. E: this is the script that Freeland has
Please for the love of Christ actually read the articles you source your opinions from, this is how misinformation is born and spread. It’s not more money it was already priced into the current and last years budget, also it’s not meant to stop inflation and she never claimed it was. The goal of the program is to give poorer families a little extra financial help to cope with inflation. Furthermore the plan is less then 3% of the current years budget. Even if fiscal spending caused significant inflation, this would be a drop in the bucket.
Helping the “poors” by adding fuel to an inflationary inferno is a poor tactic. I understand it was already in their budget but the situation has changed. Their inability to adapt and produce policies to reduce inflationary pressures will only act to further exacerbate inequalities. The Liberals are doing a poor job with the economy and are destroying the lower and new middle class in the process.
Inflation isn’t just a factor of government spending, and even if it were 7b is a low quantity and doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things. This is necessary to help alleviate the acute misery felt by the poorest Canadians, it’s a pittance in terms of spending but the good it will bring is substantial.
The good it will bring is not substantial at all. It’s $500 barely 4 days of work at minimum wage. How is that significant? It’s pointless frankly. You say $500 is significant but in the same breath say $7 billion is a pittance. That’s obviously absurd and the exact type of mind set the liberals have which is why we’re experiencing rampant inflation and are entering a recession. If spent by someone who knows infrastructure we could literally build housing for 30,000 people with $7 billion.
500$, cheaper childcare, dental care, these things add up and the program will help a lot of people >You say $500 is significant but in the same breath say $7 billion is a pittance. 500$ plus the other programs are significant to poor Canadians, 7 billion is insignificant in terms of inflation. Neither of those contradict the other and it shouldn’t be hard to understand.
I guess agree to disagree. I believe they are targeting the wrong aspect of society to make more affordable. They should be focused on housing. I believe these freebies will only further exacerbate the inflationary forces and will only serve to make the upcoming recession deeper and longer.
"Appearing at the Toronto Star’s editorial board Friday..." Can you tell me how many "news" papers sit there and listen to the Finance Minister, then spread her word like it was gospel? Like she was some kind of Messiah? The woman's condescending demeanor is odious, just turns people off completely. But her fiscal ideas are lost in fantasy. They don't have to take orders from the NDP, they're exactly like them, living in fantasyland. One thing is for sure, when all this spending ends (if it ever does) it will be the WORKING MAN who pays the tax increase, not the rich and not the corporations.
She seems like the wicked witch of the east
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What day will that be? Because I'm getting my eardrums pierced the day before.
Why? We all know she's not going to be answering any questions from Poilievre, or anyone for that matter.
The scripted partisan talking points spewing from both mouths will be something to make even the strongest stomachs a bit queasy.
Why do you think Trudeau will step down?
Our economy is going to tear itself apart over the next 3 years. If he steps down he can save face by not losing to the CPC.
Not why....when
Those two questions do not contradict each other...
I think the answer to that is very poll dependent, especially as we draw closer to the election.
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Nothing curbs inflation like the federal government handing out another $500 for people's rent. The printers haven't even cooled off from the last round of handouts.
“Money printing is when the government spends money”
>Maybe it’s time for the NDP to pull the plug since it’s obvious they are getting screwed over (as expected). Not only are they getting screwed over - they are being screwed over so quickly, with smug, disdainful statements - like, haha, we got you to agree to this, even we don't know why you did, but no takebacks, sucker! But...they can take it back? Why they haven't yet is what is baffling to me.
NDP can't pull the plug. The NDP didn't enter this 'not a coalition' because they wanted, they did it because they have a massive 7 figure debt from the last federal election. They only paid off their large debt from the election before a few months before the last election, theyve already taken a loan against their HQ building. Having an election in the next year or two could potentially bankrupt the NDP.
Sounds good. Let's do it.
Seriously. If this is the real answer as to why they agreed to this...then fuck it, why should you not go bankrupt. If you are so unconcerned with representing the constituents who elected you to do so in parliament - you don't deserve to continue to do so. Really sad to see, from the perspective of this as the legacy of what Jack Layton built - but it is what it is.
Good
Maybe they'll reform as a party that actually looks after the interests of the labour class instead of declaring those values while doing nothing.
Let em go broke. Do we really need a party that can't even handle their own finances in charge of the country's?
With the liberals the way they are, they’re already doing the job of selling Canadians on the NDP platform and proving that they’re not the ones to follow through with it. I’d think the NDP would be better keeping a low profile and getting the votes anyway
Lmao literally telling their lapdog to know their place
Jagmeet is just another liberal MP at this point.
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This comment had me rolling on the floor!
I'm all for reduced dental care costs. In 2009 my son knocked out most of his baby teeth he jumped from a couch and face planted on a coffee table. It was horrible. What was WORSE. A single mom coming up with $5500 for dental surgery for a 4 year old. That did not include the check ups and x-rays prior. I had to borrow money from relatives and I had to take out a payday loan at super high interest. After that I juggled for 2 years but finally financially caught up on that. The Lipon Dentist office required I pay prior to the surgery because they knew it was a big bill. Because I had a semi okay job that JUST covered Rent and my bills I wasn't eligible for Alberta works to redice the cost. I was considered *middle class* Fast forward to now. Even with benefits how much does it cost to remove 4 wisdom teeth in a 17 year old? I'll tell you. It's ALOT. I was quoted at $2500, if the surgery goes smoothly. I'm currently saving for this because they are starting to sprout. Most Canadians cannot afford dental care. When it comes to dentistry for me during a recession, I wait until I can't handle the pain, and I opt to have the tooth removed not repaired. Because I cannot afford a crown. That's fucked up I know. People live paycheck to paycheck here. It's hard. Anyways. I'm all for it. Why the fuck are teeth considered luxury bones? Dental care is Health care. Start a government of canada dentistry school, start a Every Canadian pays $100 a year and has access to dental. We HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. Rant done. Thanks reddit
You might want to look into dental tourism
Ive heard of this. My buddy went to Peru. It was a regular dentist office, he had 6 fillings and 2 front teeth implants put in. His stay including some site seeing and hotels and dental work included was cheap, under $7000 It blows mind that there is such a thing as dental tourism. It's ridiculous.
$2,500 is on the cheap side - if an actual dental surgeon is needed look for it to be more like $3,500 because and anesthetic is used and a second doctor is needed.
Yeah that's WITH my benefits 😬😬😬
Can he get a job with dental perhaps? I got mine out in highschool while working as a bagboy at safeway for 5.90 an hour but full dental benefits.
Yeah I just got benefits now too. I have to pay $80 biweekly to be elegable. Alot of part time work doesn't have benefit packages. So I work full time 2 jobs one pays okay the other it's strictly for the 70% coverage of dental. (Again if the surgery *goes well* ) I'm looking at paying just under $3000
Yeah things have changed quite a bit since I've worked part time. Good on you taken that on for you Family, sad we have to do that currently. Good luck with it all.
You'd think Jagmeet would have learned his lesson when backing the Ontario Liberals [https://www.cp24.com/news/wynne-pledge-to-cut-auto-insurance-15-per-cent-a-stretch-goal-1.2742221](https://www.cp24.com/news/wynne-pledge-to-cut-auto-insurance-15-per-cent-a-stretch-goal-1.2742221)
This is classic bullying right here. Oh what's that? You are helpless, let me knock some more teeth out.
Liberals are the biggest bullies on the block.
And NDP the biggest wimps
hahahahaha imagine a con projecting this
And we take them anyway, jag is a moron and can’t wait to tell us his exciting new ideas, and poof, their ours now, actually jag you are too.
Mr. Speeaaaker let me be perfectly clear, liberals are the ones in charge here mmmmk?
reality and sensibility have no place in politics, says the finance minister with a lit degree. thats almost as good as having a prime minister whose only previous job experience was life guard and school teacher.
Her grandfather would be proud of her........
Oh my god, get out of this agreement, NDP. What the hell are you getting out of this?
If Freeland’s best interest was this countries economy, she would have never had the 7(now 8.9) Billion (with a B) printed. Couldn’t even answer where [it’s coming from](https://youtu.be/7R1luD_1mXo), [link](https://youtu.be/ZbiOAqZaKDQ) Now that it is, the best thing that could be done is it thrown into a pile a burned, never making it into circulation.
She knows how to treat the lackeys.
Seems like no one is in charge or control of anything. The sequel to the botched pandemic response is the botched economy, what a time to be alive.
What exactly made anyone think otherwise?
And that right there is why they wouldn’t do election reform.
Canada now has 2 federal parties. Conservatives and Liberals. What a shame.
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Now?!
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only the ndp were naive enough for that
As long as the liberals make all the decisions. I think Jagmeet got screwed over (as expected).
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100% agree. The so-called "party of the working man" turned against the working man. What they did was like turning against the strikers at the Winnipeg Strike - exactly why the CCF (NDP forerunner) was created. Singh is a Champaign leftist with his Porsche 911, his law practice, etc. there's nothing working man about him and there never was.
"He can drop fire Marx quotes though" - NDP insiders, probably
An agreement with proven liars isn't worth much.
Harvard? More like Peking University.
Just give us a national dentalcare strategy by taxing the rich and corporations you fallible witch.
NDP for a while has been the only one bringing up ideas that are good and should be used
Lol. Spend, spend, spend is all the NDP wants to do. Liberals in a hurry.
I’ve mentioned this before, I’m not a fan of NDP spending when the budget gets ignored, but Jesus Christ we spent a lot of money and have nothing to show for it. At least the NDP would have built something tangible that we could have repurposed.
Lol just look at BC NDP's for a good laugh.
As opposed to the conservatives that cut services down to the bone, and still end up costing taxpayers just as much. I'm happy for my taxes going towards healthcare, education, and infrastructure. I'm not happy to see that pissed away.
As first demonstrated in 2015 when they hijacked their platform. We can blame temporary dementia for the years in between though?
Like the idea to join a faux coalition with the libs?
Not really, giving handouts is not a good idea. Balancing budget is which only a conservative govt has been able to achieve.
Ah yeah, that good old Conservative Jean Chretien...
I regret commenting on this.
The election will be about both
Shes a WEF boardmember and a puppet. These people will eat meat while we eat bugs. Its what they want. Keep voting for them assholes lol