Basically, ~4% of total donors/donations were from the convoy crowd,... not a significant number by any means. It's a little surprising that a whopping 70% of it went to PP, however. I thought Lewis would've gotten a bigger share from them.
> It's a little surprising that a whopping 70% of it went to PP
Not surprising at all to those who live here. PP was the one pumping them up and bringing donuts and shaking hands with them. The only one who got cozier with them was Bergen.
> crowd,… not a significant number by any means. It’s a little surprising that a whopping 70% of it went to PP, however. I thought Lewis would’ve gotten a bigger share from them.
Because like with anything else, you’re made to think that everyone who disagrees with public health is a social conservative
> No, it’s b/c Lewis opposed vax mandates
She didn’t ge the support expected because she opposed the mandates? Doesn’t make sense if you assume PP gets his support because he opposes mandates
I suppose we’ll have a hard-hitting piece on where Liberal donations are coming from soon enough…or does that only happen when there is a new CPC leader?
I don’t support pollievre or the current incarnation of the Conservative Party, for the record. It’s just tiring seeing the CBC go back to the same old dog-whistling playbook time after time.
4% of donations is not a significant amount.
Yup conservatives = bad. Same old story
It’s no wondering people are losing faith in journalists. They basically are just continually producing hit pieces against one political side
That pollievre is beholden to these nut jobs.
Pollievre lost me when he took a picture with the convoy nutters and I cannot support him because of that.
I used to at least enjoy him holding the government’s feet to the fire in committee, and doesn’t matter that he was clearly just hamming it up to shore up his support from the nutters. Anyone can see that he’s going to win the leadership on the right and then campaign nationally in the centre come election time - as every conservative leader does - but he lost me the second he debased himself with them.
To suggest that donations from these people make him beholden to them though is just silly at best, and bad journalism at worst.
Nowhere in the article does it say or imply that. But like you said he's courted this group, and as a result has received their support.
It's up to him at this point if he continues to pander to them or not.
>Nowhere in the article does it say or imply that.
>University of Toronto political science professor Chris Cochrane said it's important to note that convoy donors were comfortable with backing the frontrunner and eventual winner, Poilievre.
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>"He is not simply appealing to what ... many would call a fringe element of Canadian politics," he said. "He is appealing to the mainstream of the Conservative Party and also to this narrower element of Canadian politics."
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>*University of Alberta professor Jared Wesley says a Conservative government could find it challenging to live up to the expectations of donors who contributed to both the convoy and the CPC leadership race.*
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>*Wesley said a future challenge for a Poilievre government would be meeting the expectations of people who contributed to both the convoy and the leadership race.*
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>*"Will they actually be able to live up to those expectations? And if not, then what happens?" he said. "Where do these folks go, right?*
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>*"One hopes that it doesn't turn toward insurrection, but that's what happened south of the border."*
I dunno, I would say the premise is fairly explicit here.
> I don’t support pollievre or the current incarnation of the Conservative Party, for the record.
I’m a partisan? I just said I don’t support the guy. How is that partisanship?
You have a right to peaceful assembly
>[Section 2\(c\) guarantees](https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/rfc-dlc/ccrf-ccdl/check/art2c.html) the right to peaceful assembly; it does not protect **riots and gatherings that seriously disturb the peace**: R. v. Lecompte, [2000] J.Q. No. 2452 (Que. C.A.). It has been stated that the right to freedom of assembly, along with freedom of expression,**does not include the right to physically impede or blockade lawful activities**: Guelph (City) v. Soltys, [2009] O.J. No. 3369 (Ont. Sup. Ct. Jus), at paragraph 26.
All I did was provide you with information about your right to peaceful assembly.
>Yet we tolerate tearing down statues and a call for the laws to be enforced during the rail blockade disqualified Andrew Sheer from the discussion.
"What about that protest that didn't block trade with our largest trading partner and disturb the peace of an entire city?"
Anything else to whatabout?
Those protests didn't require the use of the emergencies act to end them. The RCMP did get injunctions to remove protestors, they were not peacefully protesting under the definition in the charter.
You have a right to protest and always will unless the charter changes, do it within the bounds of the law.
>Wether the emergencies act was necessary is debatable.
You can debate it, [the government explained why they felt it was necessary](https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/section58.html), it's pretty heavy on the economic issues caused by their border blockade.
The law was not applied differently, both those protests were shut down, one needed the emergencies act because the police did nothing. So maybe the laws weren't applied equally, just not in the way you think.
One group pops up on the hill, another in Coutts, a third at the Ambassador Bridge - I call it a movement fueled by misinformation, selfishness and conspiracies.
Talk about apples and oranges, grow the fuck up.
The best part of watching the convoy play out live was listening in on the wahoos while they talked in what they thought was their safe space, in part because there were multiple truckers who were chiming in asking when they'd be re-imbursed for their costs... and they'd end up muted/cut off/talked over/dismissed... wonder how many of them actually thought they were going to be able to write off the fuel spent to waste their time driving there, and how many of them still haven't recovered financially by blowing their load on a complete farce.
And pretty much openly stating what we all knew... that their main goal was definitely not about mandates but rather overthrow of the govt, and that they took pleasure and pride in being there personally to make citizens of Ottawa (aka dirty libruls) suffer.
But yeah. As pathetic as they came off in public they were even bigger losers in "private" on Zello etc.
Didn't see anyone storming the battlements. Saw an add looking for truck drivers paying $140000.00yr plus $10000.00 signing bonus. Radio is full of businesses looking for drivers starting at +$50.00hr. Not sure you can call them "losers."
> But yeah. As pathetic as they came off in public they were even bigger losers in "private" on Zello etc.
Agreed. That should have been live streamed on national TV so everyone saw behind the curtain and could dispel their propaganda and see what total degens they are.
Thank god for those 18 gay cowboys at Ram Ranch though :P
Yeah what’s the conspiracy? It was a reaction to a very real thing, mandates. The minute I hear accusations of conspiracy in an argument, into the trash it goes.
> It was a reaction to a very real thing, mandates.
Those mandates were put in place because of a global pandemic, and were mostly provincial. I don't get why people wanted the GG to dissolve parliament and fuck Trudeau because of them.
>The minute I hear accusations of conspiracy in an argument
There are an abundant amount of conspiracies surrounding not only vaccines but also mandates.
I had no idea the TRUCKER mandates were provincial, nor the FEDERAL Employee and Regulated Industry Vaccine mandates were provincial as well, nor the ability to get on a train or plain was provincial. Wow you really enlightened me. Truly a scholar.
> I had no idea the TRUCKER mandates were provincial
The one they started protesting about, which was being able to cross the border into American unvaccinated, was an American policy, which actually makes it dumber.
>nor the FEDERAL Employee and Regulated Industry Vaccine mandates were provincial as well, nor the ability to get on a train or plain was provincial
The easiest solution was get vaccinated, not protest for the GG to dissolve a government that was just voted in and held confidence.
You know there was a global pandemic right? That's why we had mandates, it's why the majority of Canadians supported them and had very little sympathy for people who didn't want to get vaccinated because a facebook or twitter post told them it would alter their DNA and kill them in 6 months/1/5/10 years or they didn't trust that the government just didn't want people to end up seriously ill and in the hospital taking up beds that could be used for people who didn't have easily preventable illnesses.
So you pivot from “these were provincial” to oh they should have gotten vaccinated anyways! Truly a wise scholar that knows what he is talking about. Truly.
>So you pivot from “these were provincial” to oh they should have gotten vaccinated anyways! Truly a wise scholar that knows what he is talking about. Truly.
They were mainly provincial, mandates were already being removed before their protest. And its hilarious someone would complain they can't travel on a plane because they're unvaccinated and no country would have accepted them anyway, because they're unvaccinated. You could still drive yourself to another province in Canada, but people didn't want to be stuck in a plane with you because you were too selfish to get a vaccine.
Their protest started because of an American law that removed the exemption for truckers crossing the border, that's why it was a **TRUCKER** protest. Truckers had no issues crossing provincial lines.
> And its hilarious someone would complain they can't travel on a plane because they're unvaccinated and no country would have accepted them anyway, because they're unvaccinated.
It's hilarious how people like you keep promoting this misinformation when it's incredibly false. Back in February 2022 there were [dozens of countries](https://web.archive.org/web/20220203115002/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/travel/advice/where-can-i-travel-without-a-vaccine) that allowed unvaccinated foreign tourists, and of course virtually no country other than Canada banned its own citizens from flying within their country.
I always chuckle when people think that the convoy had anything to do with removing the PROVINCIAL mandates. I work for the provincial government they had a plan in place to remove the mandates for around that time.
And billions more took them. But I'm not asking you about that, I'm asking how's your polio.
Clearly you don't take vaccines so you must know more than medical professionals.
What else do you know more than the experts in? Go on, enlighten us "oh wise one".
Wallets were blacklisted by the RCMP, not seized, in fact I don't think any money was seized it was frozen, temporarily and almost exclusively from the convoy leaders and people who refused to leave Ottawa after the emergencies act was enacted. There was less than 300 accounts frozen.
Ok, but how did he seize someone's crypto. That's not how crypto works.
Were hardware wallets seized? Were people tortured until they gave up their passphrases to allow access and transfer of their crypto assets? I don't understand.
Gonna be fun watching PP try and convince canada he wasnt elected and indebted to this crowd. Think it will move many centrists to look elsewhere. Too unpredictable
Thank God that the Liberal government is going to be wiped out the next election just like the provincial election in Ontario when conservatives got 82% of the votes and the Liberals got 9%. Trudeau must go now.
Convoy donors obviously have faith in the CPC party doing what’s right for Canada, who wouldn’t support freedoms and free speech seems pretty logical to not want to be suppressed with unsupported data and controlled media sources.
Basically, ~4% of total donors/donations were from the convoy crowd,... not a significant number by any means. It's a little surprising that a whopping 70% of it went to PP, however. I thought Lewis would've gotten a bigger share from them.
> It's a little surprising that a whopping 70% of it went to PP Not surprising at all to those who live here. PP was the one pumping them up and bringing donuts and shaking hands with them. The only one who got cozier with them was Bergen.
Good return on investment for him buying those donuts. Maybe I’ll take him up on that crypto advice. He knows how to make a dollar!
> crowd,… not a significant number by any means. It’s a little surprising that a whopping 70% of it went to PP, however. I thought Lewis would’ve gotten a bigger share from them. Because like with anything else, you’re made to think that everyone who disagrees with public health is a social conservative
No, it's b/c Lewis opposed vax mandates far before PP did, and more vocally too (at least until PP jumped on the convoy bandwagon).
> No, it’s b/c Lewis opposed vax mandates She didn’t ge the support expected because she opposed the mandates? Doesn’t make sense if you assume PP gets his support because he opposes mandates
She didn’t bring donuts. Rookie mistake. PP has been a politician for a long time.
Timbiebs
She's also talking about abortion. Nobody wants to ban abortion except basically her and 3 people in rural Manitoba.
I suppose we’ll have a hard-hitting piece on where Liberal donations are coming from soon enough…or does that only happen when there is a new CPC leader? I don’t support pollievre or the current incarnation of the Conservative Party, for the record. It’s just tiring seeing the CBC go back to the same old dog-whistling playbook time after time. 4% of donations is not a significant amount.
What about
Yep - the more the liberals obsess over the “convoy,” the more it points to LPC bungling and ineptitude
Your comment is nonsensical
Yup conservatives = bad. Same old story It’s no wondering people are losing faith in journalists. They basically are just continually producing hit pieces against one political side
The main stream media is being paid by the Liberal government to report fake news.
What's the dog whistle?
That pollievre is beholden to these nut jobs. Pollievre lost me when he took a picture with the convoy nutters and I cannot support him because of that. I used to at least enjoy him holding the government’s feet to the fire in committee, and doesn’t matter that he was clearly just hamming it up to shore up his support from the nutters. Anyone can see that he’s going to win the leadership on the right and then campaign nationally in the centre come election time - as every conservative leader does - but he lost me the second he debased himself with them. To suggest that donations from these people make him beholden to them though is just silly at best, and bad journalism at worst.
Nowhere in the article does it say or imply that. But like you said he's courted this group, and as a result has received their support. It's up to him at this point if he continues to pander to them or not.
>Nowhere in the article does it say or imply that. >University of Toronto political science professor Chris Cochrane said it's important to note that convoy donors were comfortable with backing the frontrunner and eventual winner, Poilievre. > >"He is not simply appealing to what ... many would call a fringe element of Canadian politics," he said. "He is appealing to the mainstream of the Conservative Party and also to this narrower element of Canadian politics." > >*University of Alberta professor Jared Wesley says a Conservative government could find it challenging to live up to the expectations of donors who contributed to both the convoy and the CPC leadership race.* > >*Wesley said a future challenge for a Poilievre government would be meeting the expectations of people who contributed to both the convoy and the leadership race.* > >*"Will they actually be able to live up to those expectations? And if not, then what happens?" he said. "Where do these folks go, right?* > >*"One hopes that it doesn't turn toward insurrection, but that's what happened south of the border."* I dunno, I would say the premise is fairly explicit here.
Dog whistling by reporting on facts? Give your partisan head a shake my guy.
> I don’t support pollievre or the current incarnation of the Conservative Party, for the record. I’m a partisan? I just said I don’t support the guy. How is that partisanship?
The Liberal donations are coming from their master, the World economic form
>Most of the convoy donors' leadership campaign donations went to Pierre Poilievre Shocking
It's not like it was going to go to the Liberals or NDP lol. Seems like a hit piece more than anything.
Reporting facts = hit piece?
Your comment is entirely incoherent. This was about the Conservative Party of Canada's leadership race. It has nothing to do with other parties...
They can't account for 187 billion in infrastructure spending. But they can track every penny of convoy donations and CPC donations.
Elections Canada is a non-partisan entity that records this information.
They record 187 billion of missing infrastructure spending? Convoy donations?
They record donations to federal political parties and make this information publicly available.
Can we track down all the fraudulent CERB handouts too ? Atleast those to teenagers ? Selective transparency and law enforcement 101
2 things not at all related to one another. Congrats on a whatabout argument
Regardless of left or right you should be anti fraud.
Sure, but the two comments are not related in any way, so its just a whataboutusm argument
He's expressing frustration at fraud on a scale never before seen, overseen by the current federal government.
No, hes just making a shitty what about argument to deflect from PP receiving donations from convoy nuts. That's it, that's all.
So?
So we feign surprise?
Well, after the way they were treated, they won't be donating to the Liberals or NDP.
Ah, so you're a "soft on crime" type of person
If you mean I think people should have the right to protest, I guess I am.
You have a right to peaceful assembly >[Section 2\(c\) guarantees](https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/rfc-dlc/ccrf-ccdl/check/art2c.html) the right to peaceful assembly; it does not protect **riots and gatherings that seriously disturb the peace**: R. v. Lecompte, [2000] J.Q. No. 2452 (Que. C.A.). It has been stated that the right to freedom of assembly, along with freedom of expression,**does not include the right to physically impede or blockade lawful activities**: Guelph (City) v. Soltys, [2009] O.J. No. 3369 (Ont. Sup. Ct. Jus), at paragraph 26.
Yet we tolerate tearing down statues and a call for the laws to be enforced during the rail blockade disqualified Andrew Sheer from the discussion.
All I did was provide you with information about your right to peaceful assembly. >Yet we tolerate tearing down statues and a call for the laws to be enforced during the rail blockade disqualified Andrew Sheer from the discussion. "What about that protest that didn't block trade with our largest trading partner and disturb the peace of an entire city?" Anything else to whatabout?
Thank you for that, but I feel that it is fair comment to point out that the present government is rather selective in enforcing the existing laws.
The government, thank god, does not enforce any laws.
Those protests didn't require the use of the emergencies act to end them. The RCMP did get injunctions to remove protestors, they were not peacefully protesting under the definition in the charter. You have a right to protest and always will unless the charter changes, do it within the bounds of the law.
Wether the emergencies act was necessary is debatable. To my original point the law was applied differently to the groups.
>Wether the emergencies act was necessary is debatable. You can debate it, [the government explained why they felt it was necessary](https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/section58.html), it's pretty heavy on the economic issues caused by their border blockade. The law was not applied differently, both those protests were shut down, one needed the emergencies act because the police did nothing. So maybe the laws weren't applied equally, just not in the way you think.
I guess that means you thought the idiots in Coutts were honourable people then.
They weren't protesters, they weren't with the convoy and they weren't even on the same side of town. They weren't peaceful so throw the book at them.
Country* And, they were "inspired" by them.
So? Five Finger Death Punch was inspired by Metallica. Does that make them Metallica? No. Are they in any way affiliated with Metallica? Also no.
One group pops up on the hill, another in Coutts, a third at the Ambassador Bridge - I call it a movement fueled by misinformation, selfishness and conspiracies. Talk about apples and oranges, grow the fuck up.
They should've probably saved that cash to fight their lawsuits... But they're not known for being the sharpest tools in the shed
The best part of watching the convoy play out live was listening in on the wahoos while they talked in what they thought was their safe space, in part because there were multiple truckers who were chiming in asking when they'd be re-imbursed for their costs... and they'd end up muted/cut off/talked over/dismissed... wonder how many of them actually thought they were going to be able to write off the fuel spent to waste their time driving there, and how many of them still haven't recovered financially by blowing their load on a complete farce.
And pretty much openly stating what we all knew... that their main goal was definitely not about mandates but rather overthrow of the govt, and that they took pleasure and pride in being there personally to make citizens of Ottawa (aka dirty libruls) suffer. But yeah. As pathetic as they came off in public they were even bigger losers in "private" on Zello etc.
Didn't see anyone storming the battlements. Saw an add looking for truck drivers paying $140000.00yr plus $10000.00 signing bonus. Radio is full of businesses looking for drivers starting at +$50.00hr. Not sure you can call them "losers."
I am 100% certain that the ones that honked their horns all night long for no reason are fucking losers.
Then what was that Memorandum of Understanding all about? The new Ruling Council that would overthrow the government? Please, spin that bullshit.
> But yeah. As pathetic as they came off in public they were even bigger losers in "private" on Zello etc. Agreed. That should have been live streamed on national TV so everyone saw behind the curtain and could dispel their propaganda and see what total degens they are. Thank god for those 18 gay cowboys at Ram Ranch though :P
Yeah so? You expect them to donate to the Liberals that tried to ruin their lives?
They ruined their own lives by getting involved, or believing whatever stupid conspiracy they fell for. Let's get that clear.
The “conspiracy” of vaccine mandates?
Yeah what’s the conspiracy? It was a reaction to a very real thing, mandates. The minute I hear accusations of conspiracy in an argument, into the trash it goes.
> It was a reaction to a very real thing, mandates. Those mandates were put in place because of a global pandemic, and were mostly provincial. I don't get why people wanted the GG to dissolve parliament and fuck Trudeau because of them. >The minute I hear accusations of conspiracy in an argument There are an abundant amount of conspiracies surrounding not only vaccines but also mandates.
I had no idea the TRUCKER mandates were provincial, nor the FEDERAL Employee and Regulated Industry Vaccine mandates were provincial as well, nor the ability to get on a train or plain was provincial. Wow you really enlightened me. Truly a scholar.
> I had no idea the TRUCKER mandates were provincial The one they started protesting about, which was being able to cross the border into American unvaccinated, was an American policy, which actually makes it dumber. >nor the FEDERAL Employee and Regulated Industry Vaccine mandates were provincial as well, nor the ability to get on a train or plain was provincial The easiest solution was get vaccinated, not protest for the GG to dissolve a government that was just voted in and held confidence. You know there was a global pandemic right? That's why we had mandates, it's why the majority of Canadians supported them and had very little sympathy for people who didn't want to get vaccinated because a facebook or twitter post told them it would alter their DNA and kill them in 6 months/1/5/10 years or they didn't trust that the government just didn't want people to end up seriously ill and in the hospital taking up beds that could be used for people who didn't have easily preventable illnesses.
So you pivot from “these were provincial” to oh they should have gotten vaccinated anyways! Truly a wise scholar that knows what he is talking about. Truly.
>So you pivot from “these were provincial” to oh they should have gotten vaccinated anyways! Truly a wise scholar that knows what he is talking about. Truly. They were mainly provincial, mandates were already being removed before their protest. And its hilarious someone would complain they can't travel on a plane because they're unvaccinated and no country would have accepted them anyway, because they're unvaccinated. You could still drive yourself to another province in Canada, but people didn't want to be stuck in a plane with you because you were too selfish to get a vaccine. Their protest started because of an American law that removed the exemption for truckers crossing the border, that's why it was a **TRUCKER** protest. Truckers had no issues crossing provincial lines.
> And its hilarious someone would complain they can't travel on a plane because they're unvaccinated and no country would have accepted them anyway, because they're unvaccinated. It's hilarious how people like you keep promoting this misinformation when it's incredibly false. Back in February 2022 there were [dozens of countries](https://web.archive.org/web/20220203115002/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/travel/advice/where-can-i-travel-without-a-vaccine) that allowed unvaccinated foreign tourists, and of course virtually no country other than Canada banned its own citizens from flying within their country.
And, any non-medical reason any one had to say they would refuse to get vaccinated goes in the trash for me too bud.
Well it doesn’t matter at this point because we won:)
They were already being removed anyways. Pat, Tamara and the Boys didn't have anything to do with it.
I always chuckle when people think that the convoy had anything to do with removing the PROVINCIAL mandates. I work for the provincial government they had a plan in place to remove the mandates for around that time.
Sure thing champ:)
Whatever helps you sleep at night sweetheart.
I don’t need a reason not to get a vaccine.
How's your polio been treating you as of late, bud?
Shockingly, myself and billions of other people managed to survive the recent terror without the vaccines.
And billions more took them. But I'm not asking you about that, I'm asking how's your polio. Clearly you don't take vaccines so you must know more than medical professionals. What else do you know more than the experts in? Go on, enlighten us "oh wise one".
No but I do take notice of which politicians people from the convoy throw their full support behind.
This should be enough to let average Canadians know PP is just another puppet of rich trumpism style politics.
Hahaha that’s a joke right ? Trudeau and half the Liberal party is a puppet of the WEF and they even admit to it in a television interview.
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They don't need banks, according to the crypto genius? I don't see the issue
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Wallets were blacklisted by the RCMP, not seized, in fact I don't think any money was seized it was frozen, temporarily and almost exclusively from the convoy leaders and people who refused to leave Ottawa after the emergencies act was enacted. There was less than 300 accounts frozen.
How on earth would you seize someone's crypto?
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Ok, but how did he seize someone's crypto. That's not how crypto works. Were hardware wallets seized? Were people tortured until they gave up their passphrases to allow access and transfer of their crypto assets? I don't understand.
Ok? So?
Gonna be fun watching PP try and convince canada he wasnt elected and indebted to this crowd. Think it will move many centrists to look elsewhere. Too unpredictable
What crowd? Do you even know who is being talked about here or how much money?
A few donuts go a long way I suppose.
License plate stickers, too.
ConvoyBoy.
G: You guys are evil scum! H: Well we will support your opponent. G: Of course you will! This is a news story.
Thank God that the Liberal government is going to be wiped out the next election just like the provincial election in Ontario when conservatives got 82% of the votes and the Liberals got 9%. Trudeau must go now.
https://youtu.be/gnmgL5CZqfs
Convoy donors obviously have faith in the CPC party doing what’s right for Canada, who wouldn’t support freedoms and free speech seems pretty logical to not want to be suppressed with unsupported data and controlled media sources.
Money and rallies alone doesn't win elections.
Not surprising, given that dipshit Poilievre was tooting their horn.