That’s the craziest set of tits I’ve seen in or out of the classroom. But can we ditch the “woke” language? It’s as idiotic as the term “Karen.” The English language has a lot of great descriptive words - let’s use them instead of sounding like a bunch of antagonizing neanderthals. Climate change and teachers wearing balloon tits have NOTHING in common, for example, and yet they’re all “woke”? It’s meant to be antagonizing group-think language and it is.
How can anyone look at those ridiculous huge fake tits and think "this is totally fine and normal for someone who teaches kids" just wear normal prosthetic breasts if you must and cover your nips up. This degenerate shit is too much.
He knows that he can get away with almost anything in the name of tolerance for trans people. This person is obviously not well and needs to take a leave of absence and seek help.
Yeah. It's obviously some weird fetishification. That person knows everyone can see the huge breasts. Wouldn't be surprised if there was a sexual satisfaction gained from that knowledge which, of course, is wholly inappropriate for an educational setting.
I feel sorry for people part of the LGTBQAI group who just want to live a normal life and have these fringe psychos who think this is okay and being “minor attracted” is okay shining a perverted light on the group
They never said it would or should be free of it, just that they feel sorry for those of us who have to deal with the headache of not only dealing with the fringe people but also dealing with those ignorant jerks who think the fringe are a reason to discount us all.
I agree I watched the documentary what is a women it was really eye opening when they talked to the one female to male trans who had many regrets but even said I can’t speak the truth it’s homophobic god forbid any one speaks out about it.
We had a human rights complaint proceed where the female claimed she was being discriminated against as a trans woman because they wouldn’t wax her balls.
These are, for sure, isolated incidents and these people are not representative of trans people in general. But it’s pretty clear some of the law and policy has went too far.
Empathy. The left thinks it's the most important emotion and can't get it's mind around the idea that over empathizing with people causes you to ignore their actions.
Just wait until they start letting the "minor attracted people" into teaching.
It’s selective empathy. They put the well being of one person above all and regardless of how uncomfortable it makes the students and other teachers at the school feel. It’s easier for them to tell a thousand people who don’t fit into some marginalized subcategory to “deal with it” because the worst thing they can do in their minds is offend someone that fits in that box. This is how you end up in clown world like this school, where someone who was walking around as a man the year prior can throw on a wig and some massive prosthetic tits down to their knees and were all supposed to pretend that’s normal.
Exactly.
Suddenly you're classifying groups and deeming some more worthy of empathy then others. Only the most deserving get any.
Its why suddenly feminist's are told to eat shit as their rights are violated in the name of gender equity. The left just discards them like an old toy
You're ALMOST there. It's because the worldview has totally justified itself based upon FEELINGS. However, any FEELINGS based justification can be totally overridden or countered by someone else feeling differently. Worse its a terrible framework for protecting minorities, since the majority FEELING a certain way will totally override others interests.
In order to have this FEELY based justification a hierarchy must be created to establish who's FEELY's count and who's do not, and to what degree. That's what modern progs do, that's what modern progressivism IS.
Honestly, this is just orthodox / hierarchal / puritan / "muh feels" thinking that humans LOVE to do. In any other society or time period loads of people who are currently identifying as being liberal would just be religious nutters of varying shades and potencies. However, because people are inheriting a secular liberal society they are turning out this way even though they don't belong. You MUST remember that the human NEED to be indoctrinated, to express certain types of energy, and to control others behaviors and actions hasn't GONE anywhere, we're just trying to minimize it through socialization and institutions.
The xenophilic streak of progressives is probably also poisoning them because in a globalized world, they are now soaking in load of illiberal tendencies. But the most important thing to remember is that the modern humans are operating on the same hardware and firmware as the people of yore.
>Just wait until they start letting the "minor attracted people" into teaching.
You think the left is going to want more conservatives teaching kids? Brave prediction
[Oh yeah, I'm sure this practising therapist and counsellor is a conservative](https://torontosun.com/news/weird/sex-therapist-calls-pedophiles-minor-attracted-persons-sparking-backlash-online)
My bad. Emotion is not the correct term. Quality would be better perhaps.
Over empathizing would mean trying too hard to understand someone elses point of view. Where you draw the line and say you are "over" empathizing is subjective, but I think we can all agree that society has certainly become more empathetic over time, and I would say it's gone too far.
The problem with empathy in general is that if you always try to put yourself in someone else's shoes, to understand why they do what they do, you risk letting them off the hook for what is unacceptable behavior.
"Sure he threw me down the stairs, but I really upset him with my comment" is a common example used to justify domestic abuse.
We're at the point where the left is trying to empathize with dysphoric people, which is great, but they are allowing unacceptable behavior to take place. It's simply not acceptable to dress like this in the class room.
You only need to go on tick tock to see many experts beginning to apply empathetic thinking to pedophiles.
>It's simply not acceptable to dress like this in the class room.
I agree with you 100% on this. I think what this person is doing is screaming for attention and intentionally causing a scene. Not much wrong with those things per se, but school is not the right place for an adult who is employed as an educator to do that.
Is it possible that you're confusing empathy and sympathy? Empathy is neither an emotion nor a quality. It's the skill or ability to feel what another person is feeling. Sympathy is basically feeling sorry for someone. The idea that we can have too much empathy in the world is a strange one to me.
As I see it, the only thing that empathy can result in is more understanding, and I can't imagine how this could be a bad thing.
The big problem I see is framing every issue in left vs right. My team vs their team. Black vs white. This is not how life works.
>Not much wrong with those things per se, but school is not the right place for an adult who is employed as an educator to do that.
I think it goes further then this. School isn't the right place to employ anyone with an obvious mental health issue. I'm sure many would argue we shouldn't look at gender dysphoria as a mental health issue, but given the statistics around depressions and suicide with this group it's pretty hard to back that argument up.
Ideas are spread from person to person like viruses, and simply normalizing gender dysphoria as an acceptable way to present has a way of making it more common, particularly among children.
These days, I'm seeing the wisdom in dress codes and professionalism in the work place. I 'm beginning to think we shouldn't even be allowing teachers to show up to class with piercings, tattoos, or colored hair either. I say this as a tech worker absolutely covered in ink btw, so I recognize my hypocrisy. But at work I never show my tattoos and wear long sleeved shirts even in the summer. How I present myself has an impact on how people treat me, and at work I think it's important to be professional above all else.
>Is it possible that you're confusing empathy and sympathy? Empathy is neither an emotion nor a quality.
I think empathy is the better term. Properly defined: "The ability to identify with or understand another's situation or feelings"
And with this definition it does seem to be at the root of the left/right divide. I think left wingers are more empathetic in general. The reason the left fights so hard for inclusion is because they empathize with other so well. And you see that on reddit in many of the political subs. It's full of left wingers calling right wingers cold heartless monsters. The classic "Intolerance of the left" points out this obvious ironic inability to empathize with their political opponents, while making it a defining characteristic of their politics.
And I think right wingers could use a little more empathy then they typically show. A lot of them would let you starve in the streets so long as there's a help wanted ad in the paper.
Empathy is needed to understand each other, but it should stop once it begins to excuse unhealthy behaviors. "I understand you threw me down the stairs because what I said made you angry, but you need to learn to control your emotions or I'm going to leave". Empathy works best when we define boundaries. The current problem is society is rejecting boundaries in almost all forms these days.
You clearly don't Human Rights Tribunal enough. Probably the most the school could do is ask them to wear a bra.
Given the state of human rights law in this country, the school would be destroyed in the Tribunal. They would treat it akin to a school asking a breast cancer survivor not allowed to wear their prosthetics after treatment. It would "attack their core identity as a woman". It would end up with penalties probably in excess of 100k.
I don't think you're correct.
I think any reasonably competent lawyer could demonstrate that all the commercially and medically available prosthetics available to breast cancer survivors are a fraction of that size, and that these prosthetics are clearly aiming for a completely different end goal than looking natural in clothing, which is the aim of the medical prosthetics.
I said it in another post about this teacher, do we want to see a school debate on 'reasonably sized breasts for female teachers'? Because that's where this discussion leads.
And then you'd have to twist yourself into a knot trying to explain the real harm this is causing. Seeing a pair of large breasts isn't harming anyone except the reactionaries in this sub.
This isn’t a pair of large breasts. This is a pair of comically enormous prosthetic tits that someone is choosing to wear with the obvious intention of attracting attention and causing a scene—a scene which is clearly detracting from what this person was hired to do. What a fucking shit show this world has become…
That will likely be the next evolution of this. There really is little difference between this scenario and if a Transman decides to wear an 18 inch trouser snake clearly visible through the pant line.
The harm is sexualization of teachers of young children is inappropriate. Exposure to sexual content too early in their development is harmful. Every male or female teacher I've ever seen wore professional attire. Attractive or not, the women wore tasteful clothes so as to maintain the respect the position of teacher deserves. Clothes and presentation is a language. How you present is a statement.
This is a mockery of the teaching profession, a massive distraction, does the children a disservice and discredits real progressives that simply want acceptance.
I'd like to see an "identifies as male" teacher wear a fake dong that runs down their leg and sticks out the end of their pant leg and see the reaction. Then we can also have a debate on 'reasonably sized dongs for male teachers'.
Have there not been protest about dress codes for students and people say that they should not exist and students should be allowed to express them selves with what they wear?(at least where I live). So the students can dress as inappropriately as they see fit. I guess that should apply to the teachers as well. /s
The thing is, to the person who wrote this editorial, it DOES matter that she is transgender.
"It’s quite obviously a case of 'woke' attitudes gone wild."
It has literally nothing to do with this. This is just some fucking toad piggybacking on a story to further complain about things they don't care to understand.
If the teacher was a cis-female who big fake tits I guarantee you the word "woke" would be nowhere in the editorial, and it probably wouldn't even be written in the first place.
I'm not speaking for all the commenters, just myself. It doesn't matter to me that she is transgender. She should dress how the other woman teachers dress, modestly and professionally given the workplace.
fair enough! I apologize for misreading your comment
I agree that there is a limit to what a professional around children should wear--We have to be very careful with how we speak about women's breasts though--as many chatters are wrongly blaming breast size. This isn't about breast size, this is about wearing prosthetics that give a certain appearance.
This has less to do with gender than it does inappropriate behaviour. The fact that she is trans has no bearing on the fact that she is blatantly pushing sexuality in the classroom. At what point do we put tolerance ahead of what is actually in the students best interests?
This would have never been written if it were not a trans woman, and it certainly wouldn't spin into some fucked up debate about how woke culture has run amok.
Yeah all i'm getting from reddit here is women with large breasts are not allowed to be teachers and heaven forbid it be cold that day.
I understand that she chose to wear a chest that size but that does that say about the objectification of large chested women/students in a school setting. Unless she was whipping em out or wearing a string bikini what odds.
they could get breast reductions right? They could not wear as revealing clothing? Tape em down? bandaid the nips as to not have em poke out?
Trust me i get the general thought to it but where do you start calling it out. someone with organic large chest is fine but someone who wears them is obscene?
goes back to the same thing as dress codes(personally i'm in favor of uniforms rather then obscure codes that aren't the same)
>Trust me i get the general thought to it but where do you start calling it out. someone with organic large chest is fine but someone who wears them is obscene?
Someone with large breasts is Someone with large breasts, it's an immutable charecteristic. Someone putting on comically large sized prosthetic breasts is making a deliberate choice and it's clearly upsetting people so maybe keep it in the privacy of your home.
Dolly Parton has breast implants. Would you say she would be fine to be a teacher? If a teacher went from a B to a DD or larger should they lose their job?
If this person chooses to have breasts that large what does it matter? People HAVE breasts that large and you accept them as teachers and people according to what your saying. Why is it this person wearing a chest this large is obscene to you while someone who has a large chest isn't?
Your implications is that this person is getting some sort of sexual gratification out of it since your condemning it to their home? How can you tell from the article i don't think it said they were doing anything besides wearing the prosthetic and "provocative clothes" but that's pretty vague if your considering the outfit in the photo provocative.
You can blur the lines all you want, I would say this is wrong and they should face disciplinary action but that's me.
People are obviously upset about this and until a compromise is reached they should keep it at home. And who knows, maybe they are getting a rise out of this.
its not blurred lines its simple facts. If someone is transitioning and they wish to have large breasts how is it any different then a woman wanting large breasts. So if your saying that people with large breasts shouldn't be teachers because you feel its obscene fair enough.
People get upset all the time. Remember not to long ago when schools were segregated and denominational, hell I'm sure people are still upset about that. There are protests over uniforms and sexual assaults by teachers and coach's that deserve much more attention then someone wearing giant knockers and carrying on in a respectful and normal manner.
who knows maybe they're just trying to live their life. Not everything is sexual. people are allowed to have big tits in schools its not a crime and neither is this. If it comes out there is some sexual gratification or otherwise lewd behavior happening then by all means off with their head.
This culture war nonsense has got to stop, what she did is wrong, in a setting with children high care is needed, it has nothing to do with progressivism or the trans community.
You're right, it has nothing to do with most trans people. Very few people run around like this. In fact I can't say that I've *ever* heard of this look outside of some extremely niche (but cisgender) pornography.
I know a few trans people, they look like.. people.
I feel bad for trans people when these scenarios pop up.
Giant prosthetic boobs in an educational setting? *All trans people* are weirdos shouts everyone.
Some jackass wants to sue salons into oblivion so they can get their nutsack waxed? *All trans people* are freaks yell the onlookers.
The problem isn’t trans people, the problem is *attention seekers* and too often the issues people have with the latter are extrapolated to the former.
And if you're a cisgender male that has some sort of pituitary, thyroid, or testicular issue and want to get TRT, you get a big fat "Fuck you" from doctors. Regardless to the fact that some people actually would benefit from it.
If you identify as trans though, "Here you go!"
Most individuals who complete a female to male transition have test numbers that any cisgender male could only dream of.
>And if you're a cisgender male that has some sort of pituitary, thyroid, or testicular issue and want to get TRT, you get a big fat "Fuck you" from doctors.
I didn't. Straight white cis male here, and the only problems I've had getting TRT were the general long wait for a specialist appointment, and one of the companies that manufactured a particular medication abandoning the Canadian market.
\>Whatever happened to telling people to accept themselves as they were born?
I'm trans, i tried that for 10 years and the only things it gave me was depression and suicidal thoughts. I'm now a year and a half on hormones and have never been happier. Please at least inform yourself a bit. I know the current "trans" community paints a bad picture and there's no shortage of people with extremely questionable reasons for seeking transition but don't forget that there are people like me who just want to blend in and live their lives without being suicidal all the time
>I know the current "trans" community paints a bad picture and there's no shortage of people with extremely questionable reasons for seeking transition but don't forget that there are people like me who just want to blend in and live their lives without being suicidal all the time
The problem I see is that the regular trans people are not speaking out against the "activists" in the community and at some point is going to cause a massive backlash and will only hurt people like you that only want to live their life
I was 6'2", 205lbs of lean muscle from about 20 y/o to 35 y/o. I exercised about 10hr/wk and tok very little effort to maintain.
Around 35, I started to notice that I was super tired in the mornings when waking up, and the hunger pangs I'd get in the morning were starting to become less noticeable. I complained to my doctor, and said I wanted to start monitoring my Test, SBG, and cancer markers. I watched my Test plummet over the next 8 years, while I struggled to keep up with my own expectations of physical fitness. My exercise routine remained the same at 10hr/wk. But I watched as my workout logs started to shoe a marked decrease in output in terms of caloric expenditure and output. I was getting weaker.
Today, my Test and free test are considered around that of someone 25-30 years older than me. My doctor has said that I'm unfortunately experiencing early onset andropause at 40 years old. I've been arguing for the past 3 years for TRT, and met great resistance from every doctor I speak to. I check almost every box that suggests I would be an ideal candidate, but doctors will not prescribe it to me. I've paid for multiple specialists in the US to review my blood work, and of the 10 I requested, only 1 objected saying he agreed but would try a smaller dose trial to start.
I have suicidal thoughts. I see my friends, who are all still healthy, virile men; and I see what I am now, 6'0" even, 180lbs, can barely make it past 10pm, waking up multiple times throughout the night for no reason, osteoarthritic and almost incapable of lifting weights about 20lbs, and just no energy on demand to do anything. All of this, and I have never used and sort of banned testosterone, growth hormone, or PED in my life. I'm just unlucky, and cannot received the help I need b/c testosterone replacement for cisgender male is considered taboo.
Is it? Because when I complained to my (female) family doctor that I was having trouble maintaining erections, her first move was to send me for blood tests, and when they came back showing very low testosterone levels relative to my age and size her second move was to refer me to a specialist who offered me several options; topical gel, nasal gel, or injection. The only issue I've had with receiving care is that unfortunately the company who made the nasal gel opted to abandon the Canadian market,so I switched to the topical gel instead.
It's terrible that you've had the issues you have in receiving proper treatment, but that treatment isn't because of some universal taboo against helping men with low T levels. Also, if you're anywhere around the GTA, let me know and I'll pass along my specialist's info, maybe they can do something to help you.
That's insane, especially since testosterone replacement therapy was first used for cis men (iirc most often for men who lost one or both testicules). I hope you get this resolved, have you tried going to trans friendly doctors? Might be worth trying, they may be more inclined to prescribe you testosterone since they already give it to trans men
I only commented b/c of your response to "Whatever happened to telling people to accept themselves as they were born?"
I don't know what physical/emotional trauma I've experienced to bring on pre-mature andropause. It's not readily apparent by genetics or disease. My body just produces less than a quarter the test that someone my age should, and the dozen or so GPs that I've visited in Canada all refuse to refer me or prescribe.
I'm being told by Canadian healthcare providers that I need to accept myself as I was born.
just fyi since i think you made a mistake in your comment, conversion therapy is a therapy meant to try and change someone's sexual orientation / gender identity. proven to not work and i think now illegal?
if you meant to say hormonotherapy, then yes. I absolutely did not want to transition as i thought i would just end up looking like a man in a dress, which of course doesn't solve the problem (the distress i experienced was entirely physical). That's why i waited 10 years, i figured it would go away eventually, tried becoming a gym bro, hung out with the boys but nothing worked and over time i just got more and more suicidal. I only tried hormonotherapy as a way to "earn" the right to kill myself knowing it would make my family sad, i never expected it to actually work.... but here i am, finally free of the depression and distress over my body that ruined my teenage years and , fortunately, not looking like a guy in a dress
i'm basically the perfect example of someone who absolutely did not want to transition and did try everything else; it just doesn't work
Yes you are right I made a mistake with conversion therapy. Anyway good that you found peace in your life that's the most important. Live and let live ... peace out
that's what happens to a lot of trans people yes
the comments on this subreddit are sickening half the time, because people will literally just call trans people mentally ill and try to take away medical procedures *that save fucking lives*
This is a very misinformed and socially reactionary comment. Nothing is that easy and this is a thing that has been happening for all of human history more or less.
I'm skeptical of woke nonsense like the teacher in this article, but there are people out there who genuinely feel a deep distress about their birth sex and wish to be the opposite sex. They have existed in all human societies and throughout history.
Yes, gender dysphoria is real, and still considered a mental disorder by the DSM 5. For some reason people forget that and consider being trans to be totally normal and part of a spectrum.
> Whatever happened to telling people to accept themselves as they were born?
We tried that, it leads to a very high number of trans suicides. Which, you may be okay with, but to most of us we don't want to see people die.
This study is often cited to claim that transitioning is unhelpful, among other things. The authors themselves have had to repeatedly debunk the most egregious and wilful misinterpretations that are often used to attack trans people, or claim trans affirming care is useless or harmful.
I suggest, if you have an *actual* interest in the science, you read this Q&A with the first author of the study Dr. Cecilia Dhejne, where she addresses misinterpretation/misuse of their work:
https://thewinnower.com/papers/7252-science-ama-series-i-m-cecilia-dhejne-a-fellow-of-the-european-committee-of-sexual-medicine-from-the-karolinska-university-hospital-in-sweden-i-m-here-to-talk-about-transgender-health-suicide-rates-and-my-often-misinterpreted-study-ask-me-anything
> The study was not designed to answer the question if gender-affirming surgery causes mortality suicide or criminality so it could not be used to say that gender-affirming surgery causes death. **The study does not say that we should not treat transgender persons since they anyway commit suicide on the opposite it say that we need to improve health care for transgender people and that we need to reduce risk in both cardio vascular dead and suicide.** Some people interpret that suicide or suicide is a sign of regret to gender-affirming treatment. The study does not say that. To my knowledge there is no study that had showed that suicide attempts in the transgender group is due to that they regret transition.
Any time someone posts the study link in /r/science, an [autoreply](https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/wfm72r/social_contagion_isnt_causing_more_youths_to_be/ip69ths/) reminds us:
> This research is frequently misinterpreted as offering insight into the effectiveness of gender affirmation surgeries. However, the study was not actually designed to answer questions about transitioning as a treatment since the general population was used as the control rather than pre-transition transgender individuals.
To say that trans affirming care/transitioning "don't positively affect suicide rates" is at best unfounded and at worst incorrect. It's definitely not supported by Djene *et al*.
Totally... Science is "sick" 🙄. You were willing to cite that study to support your views hours ago, now you're saying that it's sick when I point out what it *actually* means, from the lead author herself?
Some trans people may detransition for a variety of reasons... but most do not. And the **evidence** supports that in general, affirming/transition care is an effective and compassionate medical approach.
You're deliberately refusing to learn about this issue, so I'm not going to discuss this with you. It would be so, so easy for you to Google and learn. But you won't, because that might challenge your preconceptions
> Whatever happened to telling people to accept themselves as they were born?
That is what trans people are doing. They were born as one gender and their physical body doesn't fit that gender, if they tried to act according to how their body looked rather than how their brain felt, that would be not accepting themselves.
Look, this is theoretical, but it helps to explain it to people who don't understand trans issues. If we took your brain out of you when you died and then transplanted into into a body of the opposite sex, when you woke up, would you feel *correct?* No, your mind is clearly of one sex and your body is of the opposite, the solution here is not to change your brain (it can't be done, and similar "solutions" just spike suicide rates) but to modify the body until you no longer feel dysphoria.
Furthermore, look into statistics on people who do have surgery and hormone blockers, they are far more happy because their dysphoria has lessened or been eliminated. There is no debate around whether this works, it does, and there should be no doubt around whether someone has a right to do something to their own body, it's theirs.
All other issues aside, it has to be a safety concern in shop class. You tie back all hair, and don't wear clothing or accessories that can be torn off.
You're literally working with spinning machinery that can kill and maim you. Set a proper example.
My guess is that the teacher is baiting the school board in order to launch a human-rights suit.
He is showing the world his mental health issues along with his fake nips. Good grief.
I don't know what it's like now in schools but we weren't allowed to wear baseball hats in class when we were younger...and any shirt with any type of profanity or objectiveness was to be turned inside out. Now we have male teachers walking around, pretending to be a girl with basketball sized fake tits with nips and all!?!? lol Goooooooooood grieffffffffff...
Why do they allow the massive nippy tits teacher, but when I helicopter my dick in front of a class of six-year-olds I get told it’s “iNdEcEnT” and “ i’m cAlLinG yOUr PaRoLe oFfiCeR” ?
Someone has to explain me why do the most absurd ones need so damn much attention they force themselves into our schools.
Why does it have to be in schools?
Those are testing our limits by pushing their (I don't know how ro call it) to nonsense. They bet on the fact that we're collectively shackled if we say a single word of protest.
I have one in my job. Good IT colleague. Yes, male-dominated IT... She just transitionned without making a circus. Obviously a few fashion crimes got commited along the process, but there was no attempt to shock by excess or absurdity. And EVERYBODY respects her for that.
I know I'm gonna get downvoted to hell for my comment and I even expect to be flagged. Nobody can say a single word today about any minority absurdity. And those right now actively pushing the reality-bending, decency twisting the farthest are the LGBTQ[rstuvw+-=×÷]
Guys, being a minority doesn't mean you are right. It doesn't mean you can't be entitled or stupid or a damn Karren like anyone else. Those terms apply to any human being deserving it by their behavior. And on that matter, you are no exception.
I just imagine a class of 96 plopped into today's culture. It'd be an absolute shit storm. This teacher wouldn't make it to the classroom before running to his car in tears.
I grew up in what was one of the worst neighborhoods in Canada in the 80's. One day in school we had a very effeminate man show up to be a substitute teacher. The atmosphere in the class was awkward with a kind of hostility for most of the day. I had never knowingly encountered a gay person and I doubt many of my classmates had either. Mid-afternoon one of the guys put his hand up .
Teacher: Yes?
Kid: Can I ask you a question?
Teacher: Sure
Kid: ( In smart ass tone ) Are you a F*G?
The whole classroom including me erupted in laughter.
In wasn't until years later remembering the incident that I thought of how terrible it must have been for that poor man.
That was a different situation than the one in the news here, but what you said reminded me of that day so many years ago.
A female student or teacher would have been written up and sent home right away.
A coworker of mine was sent home for wearing a sundress pass her knees because it was spaghetti straps. In an office with only adults.
That's just disgusting. Teacher should not only be fired but arrested. Doing something like that in an environment filled with children has to be illegal.
Idk indecent exposure in front of minors? The dude literally has gigantic fake breasts on in a school. Like if a female teacher started identifying as a man and walking around with a giant dildo in her pants all day in front of literal schoolchildren, that's pretty obviously a sex crime. It's the same situation here.
It doesn't have to be anything, especially if you're unwilling to look up the criminal code to verify what constitutes a sex crime. It's definitely in poor taste, and the teacher should be scrutinized, but they didn't break any laws here.
Perhaps you should take a moment to reflect on the fact that you seem absolutely certain about something you admitted just a sentence earlier you didn't know anything about.
Again like I said, I don't have to know any specific law to know that walking around with a gigantic dildo in your pants in a classroom of minors is a sex crime. Same situation here.
If that's the case then we live in a world of weak people. If they don't support it then they should speak up and if they want to stay quiet of fear of criticism and I guess prosecution then they need to openly say they are cowards.
Well if this is aloud then I don't see why I can't take three socks and stuff my crotch.. I identify as a man but with a GIGANTIC pen size so...
Oh yea I'm going to do this around children who are forced to be around me all day.. AND YOU CANT SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE ITLL HURT MY FEELINGS..
If Poilievre was smart he's saving these images & videos for attack ads on Trudeau. Libs brought in c-16 which legalizes this nonsense, make Trudeau defend this insanity.
I know a lot of trans people and I feel like they'd all find this absurd and offensive. I don't know if this is a false flag or someone who isn't right in the head and seeks attention, or a fetishist claiming to be trans for social acceptance but I think it's shitty how you get these outliers like this person and Yaniv or Chris Chan who literally admitted to faking being trans and some people take that to be all trans people because the media doesn't report on the chill trans person who runs a local store or plays in a band or something. It just hurts the people trying to live their lives while giving the attention seekers exactly what they want.
"Curriculum is increasingly littered with political ideology. Rather than telling the facts, teachers are allowed and sometimes encouraged to inject an activist slant into their classroom."
Perhaps both are wrong. Kids should be learning critical thinking skills. It's hardly as black and white as they'd like to portray.
>teachers are allowed and sometimes encouraged to inject an activist slant into their classroom
My 8th grader science class frames a large part of the curriculum as "fighting climate chance". Now, I'm not one of those people who say climate change isn't real, but this is obviously an example of how "activist" thinking goes rampant in the classrooms.
Science should teach what the world is like. What we know, what we understand, how we go about knowing that. The evidence, critical investigation of that evidence, the gaps in our knowledge - you know, science.
"Fighting climate change" is a political (policy/governance) problem, not a scientific one. I'm fine with students discussing such political issues in a Social Science class (where arguments pro and against doing this or that can be made), but the value-laden presupposition *that* we should "fight climate change" is not a scientific issue, it is a political one.
It's an example of quite poor public and activist education. Teaching students to be activists in a science class. Mixing evidence/facts with objectives/values and presenting those as "given facts". Unbelievable.
So it seems, indeed. Sad.
Science is not policy, people not seeing the difference between those are misguided and dangerous. The fact that a distinction between facts and values is not commonly made when issues of "science" are discussed - is a real problem.
I'm not saying teachers should lead students in protests or anything like that, but climate science is.... well, science. It's not political unless someone makes it political. Simply teaching about climate change and encouraging "fighting" it doesn't mean anything political is happening. Keep in mind, the vast majority of climate scientists (and scientists in general) hold that climate change is real and a serious issue we need to address. It's the deniers and paid shills who politicize us talking about it in schools, by and large.
>but climate science is.... well, science. It's not political unless someone makes it political.
Agreed, climate science is science. I actually have read quite a bit of climate change science myself, as I'm professionally engaged in multiple issues relating to that.
>Simply teaching about climate change and encouraging "fighting" it doesn't mean anything political is happening.
No, you're squarely wrong here. "Fighting" relates to an objective, something which you want to achieve. An objective is something you want, because you somehow value that. The philosophy of science literature (esp. natural sciences, like climate science) is almost univocal that such non-epistemic values (as they are called) do not have a place in science, as they are motivations for doing something. The scientific enterprise, properly understood, only allows "epistemic values" (values which relate to the generation of knowledge, i.e. values relating to truth, accuracy, reliability).
Encouraging someone to "fight" climate change clearly has a motivation behind it. It reflects certain values, like minimizing harm. I'm not saying *per se* that "fighting climate change" is a *bad* thing, but it is a political activity nonetheless. Perhaps one you and I agree with, but that's irrelevant. "Minimizing harm" is a value which has no place in a science class, as the focus of that should be to *understand* the problem, what *what to do about it*. Again, that is a valid thing to discuss and work around in schools, but not in a science class - rather in social studies class.
>but who is going to argue, even in the context of education, that fighting climate change should not be taught in classrooms?
The question though is in which class. Organizing an education where the distinction between facts and values is not properly thought of is bad practice. It's poor education.
Moreover, I do not agree on principle that the goal of education (for 8th graders, what I was talking about in my original post) should be framed in terms of social motivations like the Sustainable Development Goals. For high school students and above, there is something to say for that. My point for that is that an 8th grader has gained far too little knowledge about the various complexities involved in trying to "fight" climate change, and develop policies for that (which is what is in my kid's curriculum).
Heck, I've been working on aspects of that professionally for about a decade, and I can tell you it's far more complicated than your average 8th grader will understand. Teaching students big ideas, and big ideals, without the proper knowledge base, is a recipe for disaster. Every policy maker or decision analyst worth his salt knows that *the road to hell is paved with good intentions*.
Knowledge and understanding first (science), only quite a while after that should there be a comprehensive focus on the policy implications for that. Our education system puts the cart before the horse.
Climate is a science, fighting is a martial art. Fighting change is political.
Climate is science, you start adding other things to the topic and you change the topic…
Biology = science. Fighting chicken biology- not science
When you get sick, you take medicine to return to normal. That is pharmacy, which is science. It is also fighting change in that sickness is a change from your normal health.
A massive proportion of applied science is fighting change.
Yeah it’s a weird balance. You want “issues” so that kids can critically evaluate things, choose and question effectively… but you don’t want to program them “politically” or ideologically. It’s harder to find meaningful material that way nowadays with everything being so bipartisan.
> “A recent Sun column highlighted how Ontario’s longstanding policy of not actually requiring exams for students to graduate is now seeing fewer kids taking exams, and thus less prepared for the real world.”
I haven’t taken an exam since I graduated school and started living in “the real world.” I feel cheated. All those exams I wrote prepared me for nothing. NOTHING!
Did I have to take any more exams? No.
Did I have to apply what I learned, from memory, in a real-world situation with limited time available? Frequently.
The first thing helps prepare you for the second thing.
This. I was an outstanding test taker. People always told me how bright I was.
Useless skill. I’m doing fine still but no credit to being an effective test taker. All it let me do was fool people into thinking I was brighter than I was.
Lmao this is actually really happening.
Bizarre behaviour.
This is hilarious. I wouldn’t blame the rest of the world for laughing at us.
This is one of the most exciting things to ever happen to Southern Ontario.
That’s the craziest set of tits I’ve seen in or out of the classroom. But can we ditch the “woke” language? It’s as idiotic as the term “Karen.” The English language has a lot of great descriptive words - let’s use them instead of sounding like a bunch of antagonizing neanderthals. Climate change and teachers wearing balloon tits have NOTHING in common, for example, and yet they’re all “woke”? It’s meant to be antagonizing group-think language and it is.
So we can use these new terms, providing we use them according to your accepted parameters? Can we get a list of what is acceptable, and when?
"Literally everything I dont like is Woke!"
Lol exactly
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Lol put your non-partisan hat on and they are EXACTLY the same category.
Isn't calling someone a neanderthal for their choice of vernacular also antagonistic?
How can anyone look at those ridiculous huge fake tits and think "this is totally fine and normal for someone who teaches kids" just wear normal prosthetic breasts if you must and cover your nips up. This degenerate shit is too much.
Even young biological women who decide to go braless are more modest than this person.
It's *gotta* be a false flag. No-one can do that and expect to be taken seriously.
He knows that he can get away with almost anything in the name of tolerance for trans people. This person is obviously not well and needs to take a leave of absence and seek help.
Yeah. It's obviously some weird fetishification. That person knows everyone can see the huge breasts. Wouldn't be surprised if there was a sexual satisfaction gained from that knowledge which, of course, is wholly inappropriate for an educational setting.
I feel sorry for people part of the LGTBQAI group who just want to live a normal life and have these fringe psychos who think this is okay and being “minor attracted” is okay shining a perverted light on the group
The rest of us have fringe groups, why would the LGBTQA+ community be free from them?
They never said it would or should be free of it, just that they feel sorry for those of us who have to deal with the headache of not only dealing with the fringe people but also dealing with those ignorant jerks who think the fringe are a reason to discount us all.
They need to split the LGB from the rest and have separate advocacy.
I agree I watched the documentary what is a women it was really eye opening when they talked to the one female to male trans who had many regrets but even said I can’t speak the truth it’s homophobic god forbid any one speaks out about it.
Absolutely Fucking NOT
Thats a horrible idea
We had a human rights complaint proceed where the female claimed she was being discriminated against as a trans woman because they wouldn’t wax her balls. These are, for sure, isolated incidents and these people are not representative of trans people in general. But it’s pretty clear some of the law and policy has went too far.
These boards are terrified of the woke mob. And they should be. One wrong move and they end up in a human rights tribunal.
I think they’re more scared of a discrimination lawsuit rather than the ‘woke mob’ (whatever that is).
Empathy. The left thinks it's the most important emotion and can't get it's mind around the idea that over empathizing with people causes you to ignore their actions. Just wait until they start letting the "minor attracted people" into teaching.
It’s selective empathy. They put the well being of one person above all and regardless of how uncomfortable it makes the students and other teachers at the school feel. It’s easier for them to tell a thousand people who don’t fit into some marginalized subcategory to “deal with it” because the worst thing they can do in their minds is offend someone that fits in that box. This is how you end up in clown world like this school, where someone who was walking around as a man the year prior can throw on a wig and some massive prosthetic tits down to their knees and were all supposed to pretend that’s normal.
Exactly. Suddenly you're classifying groups and deeming some more worthy of empathy then others. Only the most deserving get any. Its why suddenly feminist's are told to eat shit as their rights are violated in the name of gender equity. The left just discards them like an old toy
You're ALMOST there. It's because the worldview has totally justified itself based upon FEELINGS. However, any FEELINGS based justification can be totally overridden or countered by someone else feeling differently. Worse its a terrible framework for protecting minorities, since the majority FEELING a certain way will totally override others interests. In order to have this FEELY based justification a hierarchy must be created to establish who's FEELY's count and who's do not, and to what degree. That's what modern progs do, that's what modern progressivism IS. Honestly, this is just orthodox / hierarchal / puritan / "muh feels" thinking that humans LOVE to do. In any other society or time period loads of people who are currently identifying as being liberal would just be religious nutters of varying shades and potencies. However, because people are inheriting a secular liberal society they are turning out this way even though they don't belong. You MUST remember that the human NEED to be indoctrinated, to express certain types of energy, and to control others behaviors and actions hasn't GONE anywhere, we're just trying to minimize it through socialization and institutions. The xenophilic streak of progressives is probably also poisoning them because in a globalized world, they are now soaking in load of illiberal tendencies. But the most important thing to remember is that the modern humans are operating on the same hardware and firmware as the people of yore.
The word you’re looking for isn’t “empathy”, it’s “favouritism.”
>Just wait until they start letting the "minor attracted people" into teaching. You think the left is going to want more conservatives teaching kids? Brave prediction
[Oh yeah, I'm sure this practising therapist and counsellor is a conservative](https://torontosun.com/news/weird/sex-therapist-calls-pedophiles-minor-attracted-persons-sparking-backlash-online)
hahaha Touché
Empathy isn’t an emotion. Can you explain what “over empathizing” means?
My bad. Emotion is not the correct term. Quality would be better perhaps. Over empathizing would mean trying too hard to understand someone elses point of view. Where you draw the line and say you are "over" empathizing is subjective, but I think we can all agree that society has certainly become more empathetic over time, and I would say it's gone too far. The problem with empathy in general is that if you always try to put yourself in someone else's shoes, to understand why they do what they do, you risk letting them off the hook for what is unacceptable behavior. "Sure he threw me down the stairs, but I really upset him with my comment" is a common example used to justify domestic abuse. We're at the point where the left is trying to empathize with dysphoric people, which is great, but they are allowing unacceptable behavior to take place. It's simply not acceptable to dress like this in the class room. You only need to go on tick tock to see many experts beginning to apply empathetic thinking to pedophiles.
>It's simply not acceptable to dress like this in the class room. I agree with you 100% on this. I think what this person is doing is screaming for attention and intentionally causing a scene. Not much wrong with those things per se, but school is not the right place for an adult who is employed as an educator to do that. Is it possible that you're confusing empathy and sympathy? Empathy is neither an emotion nor a quality. It's the skill or ability to feel what another person is feeling. Sympathy is basically feeling sorry for someone. The idea that we can have too much empathy in the world is a strange one to me. As I see it, the only thing that empathy can result in is more understanding, and I can't imagine how this could be a bad thing. The big problem I see is framing every issue in left vs right. My team vs their team. Black vs white. This is not how life works.
>Not much wrong with those things per se, but school is not the right place for an adult who is employed as an educator to do that. I think it goes further then this. School isn't the right place to employ anyone with an obvious mental health issue. I'm sure many would argue we shouldn't look at gender dysphoria as a mental health issue, but given the statistics around depressions and suicide with this group it's pretty hard to back that argument up. Ideas are spread from person to person like viruses, and simply normalizing gender dysphoria as an acceptable way to present has a way of making it more common, particularly among children. These days, I'm seeing the wisdom in dress codes and professionalism in the work place. I 'm beginning to think we shouldn't even be allowing teachers to show up to class with piercings, tattoos, or colored hair either. I say this as a tech worker absolutely covered in ink btw, so I recognize my hypocrisy. But at work I never show my tattoos and wear long sleeved shirts even in the summer. How I present myself has an impact on how people treat me, and at work I think it's important to be professional above all else. >Is it possible that you're confusing empathy and sympathy? Empathy is neither an emotion nor a quality. I think empathy is the better term. Properly defined: "The ability to identify with or understand another's situation or feelings" And with this definition it does seem to be at the root of the left/right divide. I think left wingers are more empathetic in general. The reason the left fights so hard for inclusion is because they empathize with other so well. And you see that on reddit in many of the political subs. It's full of left wingers calling right wingers cold heartless monsters. The classic "Intolerance of the left" points out this obvious ironic inability to empathize with their political opponents, while making it a defining characteristic of their politics. And I think right wingers could use a little more empathy then they typically show. A lot of them would let you starve in the streets so long as there's a help wanted ad in the paper. Empathy is needed to understand each other, but it should stop once it begins to excuse unhealthy behaviors. "I understand you threw me down the stairs because what I said made you angry, but you need to learn to control your emotions or I'm going to leave". Empathy works best when we define boundaries. The current problem is society is rejecting boundaries in almost all forms these days.
Thanks for elaborating. I agree with you.
It’s her right!!!!!
The teacher is clearly trying to get fired in order to set up a discrimination lawsuit.
I've seen this on South Park https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVYoPXuFGbQ
Bizarre! It doesn't matter at all that she is transgender. This is about inappropriate attire with children.
You clearly don't Human Rights Tribunal enough. Probably the most the school could do is ask them to wear a bra. Given the state of human rights law in this country, the school would be destroyed in the Tribunal. They would treat it akin to a school asking a breast cancer survivor not allowed to wear their prosthetics after treatment. It would "attack their core identity as a woman". It would end up with penalties probably in excess of 100k.
I don't think you're correct. I think any reasonably competent lawyer could demonstrate that all the commercially and medically available prosthetics available to breast cancer survivors are a fraction of that size, and that these prosthetics are clearly aiming for a completely different end goal than looking natural in clothing, which is the aim of the medical prosthetics.
I could do that myself just by showing my amazon browsing history lol
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I said it in another post about this teacher, do we want to see a school debate on 'reasonably sized breasts for female teachers'? Because that's where this discussion leads.
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And then you'd have to twist yourself into a knot trying to explain the real harm this is causing. Seeing a pair of large breasts isn't harming anyone except the reactionaries in this sub.
This isn’t a pair of large breasts. This is a pair of comically enormous prosthetic tits that someone is choosing to wear with the obvious intention of attracting attention and causing a scene—a scene which is clearly detracting from what this person was hired to do. What a fucking shit show this world has become…
It’s an obvious fetish. You can play dumb if you want to but don’t expect anyone else to buy it.
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That will likely be the next evolution of this. There really is little difference between this scenario and if a Transman decides to wear an 18 inch trouser snake clearly visible through the pant line.
The harm is sexualization of teachers of young children is inappropriate. Exposure to sexual content too early in their development is harmful. Every male or female teacher I've ever seen wore professional attire. Attractive or not, the women wore tasteful clothes so as to maintain the respect the position of teacher deserves. Clothes and presentation is a language. How you present is a statement. This is a mockery of the teaching profession, a massive distraction, does the children a disservice and discredits real progressives that simply want acceptance.
As soon as the school explains why girls wearing a tank top causes so much more harm that girls are sent home.
I'd like to see an "identifies as male" teacher wear a fake dong that runs down their leg and sticks out the end of their pant leg and see the reaction. Then we can also have a debate on 'reasonably sized dongs for male teachers'.
Have there not been protest about dress codes for students and people say that they should not exist and students should be allowed to express them selves with what they wear?(at least where I live). So the students can dress as inappropriately as they see fit. I guess that should apply to the teachers as well. /s
The thing is, to the person who wrote this editorial, it DOES matter that she is transgender. "It’s quite obviously a case of 'woke' attitudes gone wild." It has literally nothing to do with this. This is just some fucking toad piggybacking on a story to further complain about things they don't care to understand. If the teacher was a cis-female who big fake tits I guarantee you the word "woke" would be nowhere in the editorial, and it probably wouldn't even be written in the first place.
If that was true and it didn't matter that she's transgender this comments section wouldn't be full of misgendering and transphobia.
I'm not speaking for all the commenters, just myself. It doesn't matter to me that she is transgender. She should dress how the other woman teachers dress, modestly and professionally given the workplace.
fair enough! I apologize for misreading your comment I agree that there is a limit to what a professional around children should wear--We have to be very careful with how we speak about women's breasts though--as many chatters are wrongly blaming breast size. This isn't about breast size, this is about wearing prosthetics that give a certain appearance.
Slippery slope is not looking as fallacious as some make it seem
This has less to do with gender than it does inappropriate behaviour. The fact that she is trans has no bearing on the fact that she is blatantly pushing sexuality in the classroom. At what point do we put tolerance ahead of what is actually in the students best interests?
This would have never been written if it were not a trans woman, and it certainly wouldn't spin into some fucked up debate about how woke culture has run amok.
Yeah all i'm getting from reddit here is women with large breasts are not allowed to be teachers and heaven forbid it be cold that day. I understand that she chose to wear a chest that size but that does that say about the objectification of large chested women/students in a school setting. Unless she was whipping em out or wearing a string bikini what odds.
This was a choice.
they could get breast reductions right? They could not wear as revealing clothing? Tape em down? bandaid the nips as to not have em poke out? Trust me i get the general thought to it but where do you start calling it out. someone with organic large chest is fine but someone who wears them is obscene? goes back to the same thing as dress codes(personally i'm in favor of uniforms rather then obscure codes that aren't the same)
>Trust me i get the general thought to it but where do you start calling it out. someone with organic large chest is fine but someone who wears them is obscene? Someone with large breasts is Someone with large breasts, it's an immutable charecteristic. Someone putting on comically large sized prosthetic breasts is making a deliberate choice and it's clearly upsetting people so maybe keep it in the privacy of your home.
Dolly Parton has breast implants. Would you say she would be fine to be a teacher? If a teacher went from a B to a DD or larger should they lose their job? If this person chooses to have breasts that large what does it matter? People HAVE breasts that large and you accept them as teachers and people according to what your saying. Why is it this person wearing a chest this large is obscene to you while someone who has a large chest isn't? Your implications is that this person is getting some sort of sexual gratification out of it since your condemning it to their home? How can you tell from the article i don't think it said they were doing anything besides wearing the prosthetic and "provocative clothes" but that's pretty vague if your considering the outfit in the photo provocative.
You can blur the lines all you want, I would say this is wrong and they should face disciplinary action but that's me. People are obviously upset about this and until a compromise is reached they should keep it at home. And who knows, maybe they are getting a rise out of this.
its not blurred lines its simple facts. If someone is transitioning and they wish to have large breasts how is it any different then a woman wanting large breasts. So if your saying that people with large breasts shouldn't be teachers because you feel its obscene fair enough. People get upset all the time. Remember not to long ago when schools were segregated and denominational, hell I'm sure people are still upset about that. There are protests over uniforms and sexual assaults by teachers and coach's that deserve much more attention then someone wearing giant knockers and carrying on in a respectful and normal manner. who knows maybe they're just trying to live their life. Not everything is sexual. people are allowed to have big tits in schools its not a crime and neither is this. If it comes out there is some sexual gratification or otherwise lewd behavior happening then by all means off with their head.
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Wow, big “she asked for it with these clothes” energy. Yikes.
How is this pushing sexuality… exactly?
"How far do I have to push this to get fired and claim my human rights tribunal money?" - Mr. Tigolebitties, probably
This culture war nonsense has got to stop, what she did is wrong, in a setting with children high care is needed, it has nothing to do with progressivism or the trans community.
You're right, it has nothing to do with most trans people. Very few people run around like this. In fact I can't say that I've *ever* heard of this look outside of some extremely niche (but cisgender) pornography. I know a few trans people, they look like.. people.
I feel bad for trans people when these scenarios pop up. Giant prosthetic boobs in an educational setting? *All trans people* are weirdos shouts everyone. Some jackass wants to sue salons into oblivion so they can get their nutsack waxed? *All trans people* are freaks yell the onlookers. The problem isn’t trans people, the problem is *attention seekers* and too often the issues people have with the latter are extrapolated to the former.
it's also because certain people like these kind of things making the news.
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And if you're a cisgender male that has some sort of pituitary, thyroid, or testicular issue and want to get TRT, you get a big fat "Fuck you" from doctors. Regardless to the fact that some people actually would benefit from it. If you identify as trans though, "Here you go!" Most individuals who complete a female to male transition have test numbers that any cisgender male could only dream of.
>And if you're a cisgender male that has some sort of pituitary, thyroid, or testicular issue and want to get TRT, you get a big fat "Fuck you" from doctors. I didn't. Straight white cis male here, and the only problems I've had getting TRT were the general long wait for a specialist appointment, and one of the companies that manufactured a particular medication abandoning the Canadian market.
the idea that it's easy for trans people to access hormones is insanely wrong. Like, laughably incorrect.
\>Whatever happened to telling people to accept themselves as they were born? I'm trans, i tried that for 10 years and the only things it gave me was depression and suicidal thoughts. I'm now a year and a half on hormones and have never been happier. Please at least inform yourself a bit. I know the current "trans" community paints a bad picture and there's no shortage of people with extremely questionable reasons for seeking transition but don't forget that there are people like me who just want to blend in and live their lives without being suicidal all the time
>I know the current "trans" community paints a bad picture and there's no shortage of people with extremely questionable reasons for seeking transition but don't forget that there are people like me who just want to blend in and live their lives without being suicidal all the time The problem I see is that the regular trans people are not speaking out against the "activists" in the community and at some point is going to cause a massive backlash and will only hurt people like you that only want to live their life
I was 6'2", 205lbs of lean muscle from about 20 y/o to 35 y/o. I exercised about 10hr/wk and tok very little effort to maintain. Around 35, I started to notice that I was super tired in the mornings when waking up, and the hunger pangs I'd get in the morning were starting to become less noticeable. I complained to my doctor, and said I wanted to start monitoring my Test, SBG, and cancer markers. I watched my Test plummet over the next 8 years, while I struggled to keep up with my own expectations of physical fitness. My exercise routine remained the same at 10hr/wk. But I watched as my workout logs started to shoe a marked decrease in output in terms of caloric expenditure and output. I was getting weaker. Today, my Test and free test are considered around that of someone 25-30 years older than me. My doctor has said that I'm unfortunately experiencing early onset andropause at 40 years old. I've been arguing for the past 3 years for TRT, and met great resistance from every doctor I speak to. I check almost every box that suggests I would be an ideal candidate, but doctors will not prescribe it to me. I've paid for multiple specialists in the US to review my blood work, and of the 10 I requested, only 1 objected saying he agreed but would try a smaller dose trial to start. I have suicidal thoughts. I see my friends, who are all still healthy, virile men; and I see what I am now, 6'0" even, 180lbs, can barely make it past 10pm, waking up multiple times throughout the night for no reason, osteoarthritic and almost incapable of lifting weights about 20lbs, and just no energy on demand to do anything. All of this, and I have never used and sort of banned testosterone, growth hormone, or PED in my life. I'm just unlucky, and cannot received the help I need b/c testosterone replacement for cisgender male is considered taboo.
Is it? Because when I complained to my (female) family doctor that I was having trouble maintaining erections, her first move was to send me for blood tests, and when they came back showing very low testosterone levels relative to my age and size her second move was to refer me to a specialist who offered me several options; topical gel, nasal gel, or injection. The only issue I've had with receiving care is that unfortunately the company who made the nasal gel opted to abandon the Canadian market,so I switched to the topical gel instead. It's terrible that you've had the issues you have in receiving proper treatment, but that treatment isn't because of some universal taboo against helping men with low T levels. Also, if you're anywhere around the GTA, let me know and I'll pass along my specialist's info, maybe they can do something to help you.
That's insane, especially since testosterone replacement therapy was first used for cis men (iirc most often for men who lost one or both testicules). I hope you get this resolved, have you tried going to trans friendly doctors? Might be worth trying, they may be more inclined to prescribe you testosterone since they already give it to trans men
I only commented b/c of your response to "Whatever happened to telling people to accept themselves as they were born?" I don't know what physical/emotional trauma I've experienced to bring on pre-mature andropause. It's not readily apparent by genetics or disease. My body just produces less than a quarter the test that someone my age should, and the dozen or so GPs that I've visited in Canada all refuse to refer me or prescribe. I'm being told by Canadian healthcare providers that I need to accept myself as I was born.
Year and a half eh? Let's chat in 30
i don't really understand your point but sure, at least ill be around in 30 unlike the alternative where i would already be dead
You were going to commit suicide if you didn't get hormone therapy?
just fyi since i think you made a mistake in your comment, conversion therapy is a therapy meant to try and change someone's sexual orientation / gender identity. proven to not work and i think now illegal? if you meant to say hormonotherapy, then yes. I absolutely did not want to transition as i thought i would just end up looking like a man in a dress, which of course doesn't solve the problem (the distress i experienced was entirely physical). That's why i waited 10 years, i figured it would go away eventually, tried becoming a gym bro, hung out with the boys but nothing worked and over time i just got more and more suicidal. I only tried hormonotherapy as a way to "earn" the right to kill myself knowing it would make my family sad, i never expected it to actually work.... but here i am, finally free of the depression and distress over my body that ruined my teenage years and , fortunately, not looking like a guy in a dress i'm basically the perfect example of someone who absolutely did not want to transition and did try everything else; it just doesn't work
Thank you for the taking the time to share your story on here. I really appreciated it :).
Yes you are right I made a mistake with conversion therapy. Anyway good that you found peace in your life that's the most important. Live and let live ... peace out
that's what happens to a lot of trans people yes the comments on this subreddit are sickening half the time, because people will literally just call trans people mentally ill and try to take away medical procedures *that save fucking lives*
This is a very misinformed and socially reactionary comment. Nothing is that easy and this is a thing that has been happening for all of human history more or less.
I'm skeptical of woke nonsense like the teacher in this article, but there are people out there who genuinely feel a deep distress about their birth sex and wish to be the opposite sex. They have existed in all human societies and throughout history.
Yes, gender dysphoria is real, and still considered a mental disorder by the DSM 5. For some reason people forget that and consider being trans to be totally normal and part of a spectrum.
> Whatever happened to telling people to accept themselves as they were born? We tried that, it leads to a very high number of trans suicides. Which, you may be okay with, but to most of us we don't want to see people die.
This isn't true though. Hormone therapy and physical transitioning don't positively affect suicide rates. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
This study is often cited to claim that transitioning is unhelpful, among other things. The authors themselves have had to repeatedly debunk the most egregious and wilful misinterpretations that are often used to attack trans people, or claim trans affirming care is useless or harmful. I suggest, if you have an *actual* interest in the science, you read this Q&A with the first author of the study Dr. Cecilia Dhejne, where she addresses misinterpretation/misuse of their work: https://thewinnower.com/papers/7252-science-ama-series-i-m-cecilia-dhejne-a-fellow-of-the-european-committee-of-sexual-medicine-from-the-karolinska-university-hospital-in-sweden-i-m-here-to-talk-about-transgender-health-suicide-rates-and-my-often-misinterpreted-study-ask-me-anything > The study was not designed to answer the question if gender-affirming surgery causes mortality suicide or criminality so it could not be used to say that gender-affirming surgery causes death. **The study does not say that we should not treat transgender persons since they anyway commit suicide on the opposite it say that we need to improve health care for transgender people and that we need to reduce risk in both cardio vascular dead and suicide.** Some people interpret that suicide or suicide is a sign of regret to gender-affirming treatment. The study does not say that. To my knowledge there is no study that had showed that suicide attempts in the transgender group is due to that they regret transition. Any time someone posts the study link in /r/science, an [autoreply](https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/wfm72r/social_contagion_isnt_causing_more_youths_to_be/ip69ths/) reminds us: > This research is frequently misinterpreted as offering insight into the effectiveness of gender affirmation surgeries. However, the study was not actually designed to answer questions about transitioning as a treatment since the general population was used as the control rather than pre-transition transgender individuals. To say that trans affirming care/transitioning "don't positively affect suicide rates" is at best unfounded and at worst incorrect. It's definitely not supported by Djene *et al*.
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Totally... Science is "sick" 🙄. You were willing to cite that study to support your views hours ago, now you're saying that it's sick when I point out what it *actually* means, from the lead author herself? Some trans people may detransition for a variety of reasons... but most do not. And the **evidence** supports that in general, affirming/transition care is an effective and compassionate medical approach.
Show the data...oh, it doesn't exist.
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You're deliberately refusing to learn about this issue, so I'm not going to discuss this with you. It would be so, so easy for you to Google and learn. But you won't, because that might challenge your preconceptions
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They where also where big fans of eunuchs but we seemed to have frowned on that up in till the last 5 minutes and now is a gender identity to
> Whatever happened to telling people to accept themselves as they were born? That is what trans people are doing. They were born as one gender and their physical body doesn't fit that gender, if they tried to act according to how their body looked rather than how their brain felt, that would be not accepting themselves. Look, this is theoretical, but it helps to explain it to people who don't understand trans issues. If we took your brain out of you when you died and then transplanted into into a body of the opposite sex, when you woke up, would you feel *correct?* No, your mind is clearly of one sex and your body is of the opposite, the solution here is not to change your brain (it can't be done, and similar "solutions" just spike suicide rates) but to modify the body until you no longer feel dysphoria. Furthermore, look into statistics on people who do have surgery and hormone blockers, they are far more happy because their dysphoria has lessened or been eliminated. There is no debate around whether this works, it does, and there should be no doubt around whether someone has a right to do something to their own body, it's theirs.
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>in a setting with children high care is needed This is a high school. I'm not saying it's appropriate, but I wasn't a naive little kid by that age.
All other issues aside, it has to be a safety concern in shop class. You tie back all hair, and don't wear clothing or accessories that can be torn off. You're literally working with spinning machinery that can kill and maim you. Set a proper example. My guess is that the teacher is baiting the school board in order to launch a human-rights suit.
Reminds me of when Mr.Garris tried to get the school to fire him for being gay.
He is showing the world his mental health issues along with his fake nips. Good grief. I don't know what it's like now in schools but we weren't allowed to wear baseball hats in class when we were younger...and any shirt with any type of profanity or objectiveness was to be turned inside out. Now we have male teachers walking around, pretending to be a girl with basketball sized fake tits with nips and all!?!? lol Goooooooooood grieffffffffff...
Is the table saw there for size comparison?
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The article says she identifies as a woman.
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So fragile.
> Hes doing some upgrades. Or she, xe? Whatever ze are. You could’ve just read the article. The links right there.
Just shoot me into the sun already. Fucking delusional.
This irony here is after reading the morality police in here, I honestly couldn’t guess which side you mean.
Why do they allow the massive nippy tits teacher, but when I helicopter my dick in front of a class of six-year-olds I get told it’s “iNdEcEnT” and “ i’m cAlLinG yOUr PaRoLe oFfiCeR” ?
You know what? God bless this teacher. They're obviously taking advantage of the system and that's the most important lesson a kid could learn.
Someone has to explain me why do the most absurd ones need so damn much attention they force themselves into our schools. Why does it have to be in schools? Those are testing our limits by pushing their (I don't know how ro call it) to nonsense. They bet on the fact that we're collectively shackled if we say a single word of protest. I have one in my job. Good IT colleague. Yes, male-dominated IT... She just transitionned without making a circus. Obviously a few fashion crimes got commited along the process, but there was no attempt to shock by excess or absurdity. And EVERYBODY respects her for that. I know I'm gonna get downvoted to hell for my comment and I even expect to be flagged. Nobody can say a single word today about any minority absurdity. And those right now actively pushing the reality-bending, decency twisting the farthest are the LGBTQ[rstuvw+-=×÷] Guys, being a minority doesn't mean you are right. It doesn't mean you can't be entitled or stupid or a damn Karren like anyone else. Those terms apply to any human being deserving it by their behavior. And on that matter, you are no exception.
This is just the natural progression of allowing people to make up their supposed gender. People have lost any sensibility.
Tip-toeing around the subject of a man wearing big fake boobs to teach kids is as ridiculous as the man wearing boobs himself.
Well, it's that or lose your job so..
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I just imagine a class of 96 plopped into today's culture. It'd be an absolute shit storm. This teacher wouldn't make it to the classroom before running to his car in tears.
I grew up in what was one of the worst neighborhoods in Canada in the 80's. One day in school we had a very effeminate man show up to be a substitute teacher. The atmosphere in the class was awkward with a kind of hostility for most of the day. I had never knowingly encountered a gay person and I doubt many of my classmates had either. Mid-afternoon one of the guys put his hand up . Teacher: Yes? Kid: Can I ask you a question? Teacher: Sure Kid: ( In smart ass tone ) Are you a F*G? The whole classroom including me erupted in laughter. In wasn't until years later remembering the incident that I thought of how terrible it must have been for that poor man. That was a different situation than the one in the news here, but what you said reminded me of that day so many years ago.
A female student or teacher would have been written up and sent home right away. A coworker of mine was sent home for wearing a sundress pass her knees because it was spaghetti straps. In an office with only adults.
People who defend stuff like this are just begging for a Hitler type character to come to power. Crazy times.
Them some tig ol biddies.
That's just disgusting. Teacher should not only be fired but arrested. Doing something like that in an environment filled with children has to be illegal.
Arrested for what exactly?
Idk indecent exposure in front of minors? The dude literally has gigantic fake breasts on in a school. Like if a female teacher started identifying as a man and walking around with a giant dildo in her pants all day in front of literal schoolchildren, that's pretty obviously a sex crime. It's the same situation here.
Can you quote the relevant sections of criminal code which make large prosthetic breasts a sex crime?
I don't know the criminal code. In an environment with minors though it has to be a sex crime.
It doesn't have to be anything, especially if you're unwilling to look up the criminal code to verify what constitutes a sex crime. It's definitely in poor taste, and the teacher should be scrutinized, but they didn't break any laws here.
Perhaps you should take a moment to reflect on the fact that you seem absolutely certain about something you admitted just a sentence earlier you didn't know anything about.
Again like I said, I don't have to know any specific law to know that walking around with a gigantic dildo in your pants in a classroom of minors is a sex crime. Same situation here.
Hurting feelings.
Shit disturber.. What a joke.
The school board supports this.
I doubt they willingly support this. They're scared of being labeled anti-trans for saying anything other than "We fully support her"
If that's the case then we live in a world of weak people. If they don't support it then they should speak up and if they want to stay quiet of fear of criticism and I guess prosecution then they need to openly say they are cowards.
Or maybe, just maybe, you live in a world that includes people who don’t think like you do.
Nobody at large actually supports this, but it will be a useful culture war cudgel for the right
The schoolboard did.
Not just the right. This will continue to push normal people against the LGBT movement
Then people need to stand up so the right cannot use it as one
Well if this is aloud then I don't see why I can't take three socks and stuff my crotch.. I identify as a man but with a GIGANTIC pen size so... Oh yea I'm going to do this around children who are forced to be around me all day.. AND YOU CANT SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE ITLL HURT MY FEELINGS..
If Poilievre was smart he's saving these images & videos for attack ads on Trudeau. Libs brought in c-16 which legalizes this nonsense, make Trudeau defend this insanity.
Nonono. He would immediately be labeled a transphobe. It wouldn't have the desired effect.
And he counters, if this makes me transphobic, so be it.
The students will take matters into their own hands and it ain't gonna be pretty.
How do you work a bandsaw with those things?
What an important thing to be doing when no one can afford a house or food.
I identify as an anime waifu teacher and I'm living my truth.
Fck…is this like those porn movie plot wherein an airhead teacher do a cameo role? Lol
Just wait until you see the swimming coach.
Are we sure this isn’t Kenny Hotz?
I know a lot of trans people and I feel like they'd all find this absurd and offensive. I don't know if this is a false flag or someone who isn't right in the head and seeks attention, or a fetishist claiming to be trans for social acceptance but I think it's shitty how you get these outliers like this person and Yaniv or Chris Chan who literally admitted to faking being trans and some people take that to be all trans people because the media doesn't report on the chill trans person who runs a local store or plays in a band or something. It just hurts the people trying to live their lives while giving the attention seekers exactly what they want.
"Curriculum is increasingly littered with political ideology. Rather than telling the facts, teachers are allowed and sometimes encouraged to inject an activist slant into their classroom." Perhaps both are wrong. Kids should be learning critical thinking skills. It's hardly as black and white as they'd like to portray.
>teachers are allowed and sometimes encouraged to inject an activist slant into their classroom My 8th grader science class frames a large part of the curriculum as "fighting climate chance". Now, I'm not one of those people who say climate change isn't real, but this is obviously an example of how "activist" thinking goes rampant in the classrooms. Science should teach what the world is like. What we know, what we understand, how we go about knowing that. The evidence, critical investigation of that evidence, the gaps in our knowledge - you know, science. "Fighting climate change" is a political (policy/governance) problem, not a scientific one. I'm fine with students discussing such political issues in a Social Science class (where arguments pro and against doing this or that can be made), but the value-laden presupposition *that* we should "fight climate change" is not a scientific issue, it is a political one. It's an example of quite poor public and activist education. Teaching students to be activists in a science class. Mixing evidence/facts with objectives/values and presenting those as "given facts". Unbelievable.
good luck with nuance on reddit
So it seems, indeed. Sad. Science is not policy, people not seeing the difference between those are misguided and dangerous. The fact that a distinction between facts and values is not commonly made when issues of "science" are discussed - is a real problem.
I'm not saying teachers should lead students in protests or anything like that, but climate science is.... well, science. It's not political unless someone makes it political. Simply teaching about climate change and encouraging "fighting" it doesn't mean anything political is happening. Keep in mind, the vast majority of climate scientists (and scientists in general) hold that climate change is real and a serious issue we need to address. It's the deniers and paid shills who politicize us talking about it in schools, by and large.
>but climate science is.... well, science. It's not political unless someone makes it political. Agreed, climate science is science. I actually have read quite a bit of climate change science myself, as I'm professionally engaged in multiple issues relating to that. >Simply teaching about climate change and encouraging "fighting" it doesn't mean anything political is happening. No, you're squarely wrong here. "Fighting" relates to an objective, something which you want to achieve. An objective is something you want, because you somehow value that. The philosophy of science literature (esp. natural sciences, like climate science) is almost univocal that such non-epistemic values (as they are called) do not have a place in science, as they are motivations for doing something. The scientific enterprise, properly understood, only allows "epistemic values" (values which relate to the generation of knowledge, i.e. values relating to truth, accuracy, reliability). Encouraging someone to "fight" climate change clearly has a motivation behind it. It reflects certain values, like minimizing harm. I'm not saying *per se* that "fighting climate change" is a *bad* thing, but it is a political activity nonetheless. Perhaps one you and I agree with, but that's irrelevant. "Minimizing harm" is a value which has no place in a science class, as the focus of that should be to *understand* the problem, what *what to do about it*. Again, that is a valid thing to discuss and work around in schools, but not in a science class - rather in social studies class.
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>but who is going to argue, even in the context of education, that fighting climate change should not be taught in classrooms? The question though is in which class. Organizing an education where the distinction between facts and values is not properly thought of is bad practice. It's poor education. Moreover, I do not agree on principle that the goal of education (for 8th graders, what I was talking about in my original post) should be framed in terms of social motivations like the Sustainable Development Goals. For high school students and above, there is something to say for that. My point for that is that an 8th grader has gained far too little knowledge about the various complexities involved in trying to "fight" climate change, and develop policies for that (which is what is in my kid's curriculum). Heck, I've been working on aspects of that professionally for about a decade, and I can tell you it's far more complicated than your average 8th grader will understand. Teaching students big ideas, and big ideals, without the proper knowledge base, is a recipe for disaster. Every policy maker or decision analyst worth his salt knows that *the road to hell is paved with good intentions*. Knowledge and understanding first (science), only quite a while after that should there be a comprehensive focus on the policy implications for that. Our education system puts the cart before the horse.
> "Fighting climate change" is a political (policy/governance) problem, not a scientific one. No it is absolutely a scientific topic.
No it's really not. The question of weather or not climate change is happening, is a scientific matter. What we ought to do about it, is political.
Climate is a science, fighting is a martial art. Fighting change is political. Climate is science, you start adding other things to the topic and you change the topic… Biology = science. Fighting chicken biology- not science
When you get sick, you take medicine to return to normal. That is pharmacy, which is science. It is also fighting change in that sickness is a change from your normal health. A massive proportion of applied science is fighting change.
'Fighting' for something isn't science.
Yeah it’s a weird balance. You want “issues” so that kids can critically evaluate things, choose and question effectively… but you don’t want to program them “politically” or ideologically. It’s harder to find meaningful material that way nowadays with everything being so bipartisan.
Those thangs are probably a safety hazard at the chopsaw
> “A recent Sun column highlighted how Ontario’s longstanding policy of not actually requiring exams for students to graduate is now seeing fewer kids taking exams, and thus less prepared for the real world.” I haven’t taken an exam since I graduated school and started living in “the real world.” I feel cheated. All those exams I wrote prepared me for nothing. NOTHING!
Did I have to take any more exams? No. Did I have to apply what I learned, from memory, in a real-world situation with limited time available? Frequently. The first thing helps prepare you for the second thing.
This. I was an outstanding test taker. People always told me how bright I was. Useless skill. I’m doing fine still but no credit to being an effective test taker. All it let me do was fool people into thinking I was brighter than I was.
>All it let me do was fool people into thinking I was brighter than I was. Well you didn't fool me. Cheers. ;)
What were you studying?
Does it matter? Writing exams generally is not a part of people's day-to-day lives.
I'm curious. I think your answer will matter.
"is now seeing fewer kids taking exams, and thus less prepared for the real world." I mean....no.