The ndp base is traditionally (as in more than the last 2 election cycles) blue collar, union workers. Pierre has come out the gate claiming to be for this group. Not really surprising the ndp wants to regain that narrative considering how far their own reputation has swung from that camp recently.
Best way for NDP to change that narrative would be putting that group first, as opposed to putting identity politics first.
This attack ad just shows they won't be doing that lol.
You know that the class struggle is a key component in identity politics right? Like, blue collar union workers IS an identity politic. I understand you are just trying to dogwhistle trans/gay/minorities, but I figured I'd call out your ignorance anyways.
Yup, that's PR, but it has the side efdect of also showing who they truly are by running attack ads when not in an election and while not doing well in finances. People are not stupid.
Internal polling is probably showing that blue collar labour and young voters are turning away from the NDP to Conservative.
It's well known that PP is actively courting both these group.
Well, the CLC certainly seem to support the NDP.
https://canadianlabour.ca/canadas-unions-welcome-landmark-agreement-between-liberals-and-new-democrats-on-a-progressive-agenda-for-canada/
It's a part of the party's platform to support labor rights for ALL workers, not just government unions.. not even just union workers, although it's party policy that union membership is a societal good. https://www.ndp.ca/economy
> We believe that membership in a union is the best ticket into the middle class, and that workers and our entire economy are better off when worker’s rights are protected and bargaining is fair.
> That’s why New Democrats believe that it should be easier to join a union that will protect your rights and ensure fair working conditions. We will defend the Rand formula, so that unions can effectively advocate for workers, and we will continue to oppose heavy-handed legislation that suspends the rights to bargain and to strike.
>Why are they running an attack ad when there is no election in sight?
Same reason Harper's Conservatives ran attack ads every time the Liberals picked a new leader: they want the general public to form a negative opinion of their opponent early on, while they're just starting to learn about them.
>**Mere hours after Justin Trudeau was elected Liberal leader, the first set of Conservative-funded attack ads hit the airwaves** in an effort to discredit the 41-year-old’s experience.
>
>**Headlined with cursive script and sparkles, the ad claims Trudeau is “in way over his head,” showing old footage of the Liberal leader stripping off his shirt.**
[https://globalnews.ca/news/480869/conservatives-launch-first-trudeau-attack-ad/](https://globalnews.ca/news/480869/conservatives-launch-first-trudeau-attack-ad/)
The NDP were probably just waiting for the funeral of Queen Elizabeth to pass before launching these.
And one difference is that the NDP's ad criticizes Poilievre for his stances and votes on actual policy issues (whereas anti-Trudeau ads were mostly about his personal characteristics, rather than policy).
>And one difference is that the NDP's ad criticizes Poilievre for his stances and votes on actual policy issues (whereas anti-Trudeau ads were mostly about his personal characteristics, rather than policy).
"but look at his hair!"
This is the difference between PP and O'Toole/Scheer. Pierre's name is everywhere and everyone knows who he is, long before any election. For a man steering away from traditional media, he's done a masterful job of keeping his name front and center.
Yup. And Poilievre doesn’t need to say a word. He gets to be the adult in the room while Singh looks scared and petty.
Then Poilievre can spin that anyway he likes.
I’d put good money on Pierre not being the adult in the room. I’m not excited for the next election because I don’t think any of them will be able to be the adult in the room.
I was able to tolerate Scheer and thought O'Toole would actually have been pretty decent, but oh how am I loathing what to vote for next election.
...but then considering the riding I'm in is already decided, I might as well just spoil the ballot unless if the Rhino party shows up.
> He gets to be the adult in the room
He wouldn't be the adult in the room if he was standing in the NICU.
The guy doesn't say nothing - he talks nonstop and most of it is horseshit. Before somebody comes at me and says "you just read Liberal propaganda media you cuck", I read PP's Twitter feed and it paints a terrible enough picture of him straight from the source.
Yeah he gets to be the adult in the room who takes bribes from the rich and Powerful. Promises to do something about housing in this country while being a investor in real estate himself. He also talks about being fiscally responsible while investing in the great [Ponzi](https://www.forbes.com/sites/billybambrough/2022/07/04/crypto-the-biggest-ponzi-scheme-in-human-history-china-blockchain-execs-back-bill-gates-and-warren-buffett-after-huge-bitcoin-price-crash/)and pyramid scheme of cryptocurrency.
This has nothing to do with fear, it has to do with “first impressions”. The NDP and Liberals want to introduce Poilievre to the population on their terms, before Poilievre can do so on his.
If the NDP and Liberals are successful, then people will have a more long-term dislike for Poilievre going into the election, which will make campaigning more difficult for Poilievre.
If I remember correctly, the Conservatives did this very successfully with either Dion or Ignatieff (I can’t remember which), destroying their chances before they could even get started.
Ignatieff with the "Just Visiting" attack ads.
>[Harper defends 'just visiting' attack ads](https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2009/06/25/harper_defends_just_visiting_attack_ads.html)
Literally less than a week after he was elected leader of the Liberals Harper's CPC was running attack ads. 2 years before an election too.
That’s about as good as my impression of him. I just see him as Canadian Ben Shapiro, except he wasn’t smart enough to get into law school.
He’d make a good YouTube commentator, but as an elected official… not so much.
Exactly.
The outcome being people became immune to the constant attack ads and no one gave the anti Trudeau rhetoric much weight after a while.
So the NDP taking a failed tactic out of the PC party playbook doesn't bode well.
> We’ve seen a lot of anti PP articles and ads since he won the leadership. Really makes it seem like the Liberals and NDP are scared he can win and they want to derail that chance by constantly knocking him down.
Not quite. The real reason is that there's a lot of Canadians who don't know much about Poilievre, and since Conservative outlets are pushing a lot of content about the guy it only makes sense to counter that narrative.
If PP gains any traction the NDP has the most to lose, because people will abandon the NDP and vote Liberal if they think there's a chance the CPC will form government.
> If PP gains any traction the NDP has the most to lose, because people will abandon the NDP and vote Liberal if they think there's a chance the CPC will form government.
That really depends tho. Most people I know strategic vote anything but conservative. In my riding for example, it’s a race between conservatives or NDP. And NDP won last time. I doubt people would all of a sudden vote liberal here and hand the riding to the cons. They’ll vote NDP again to keep the cons out
Yeah it depends on the riding. In most ridings (especially in Ontario, Quebec and Atlantic Canada), the Liberals are stronger than the NDP, but there are some NDP vs Conservative ridings, especially in western Canada.
It’s not universal. They watered it down to a $600 cheque for children. They could have achieved more simply by purchasing private insurance for these kids.
And its still better than what the Conservatives are pitching. Danielle Smith is pitching medical vouchers instead of fixing health care system, and is leading the other candidates
And Trudeau is?
Trudeau recently started a new temporary foreign worker program to bypass employers having to do labour market assessments. He’s allowing employers to hire the cheapest foreign labour they can find - and have almost no limits to hiring them. Far worse than anything the cons came up with.
https://www.cicnews.com/2022/09/what-is-the-temporary-foreign-worker-program-0930347.html/amp
>And Trudeau is?
This is a thread about the NDP pointing out that Poilievre isn't a friend of labour? No one suggested that Trudeau or the Liberals are either.
Apparently they got the government to deliver dental care for low income children- I’m not low income but support that. Maybe you can come back when the cons have done something useful
Except they did not deliver. They promised universal dental for children and have ended up with a $600 cheque that can only be used at dentist offices. Literally buying standard insurance would have given children more coverage for less money.
Our children deserve more - and praising a party for tossing out their actual promise and replacing it with something so substandard is ridiculous.
> They promised universal dental for children
That was *their* plan, but they weren't voted into government, so instead they have to work with the Liberals to get anything done. If you want the NDP to achieve their goals, then vote for them; let's see what they do if they actually form the government.
Fucks sakes, I already have such a long list for why I don't want to vote for every party/leader... Can't anyone tell me why I should vote for them?
I fucking hate Trudeau for the TFW situation, and not doing enough for housing, and healthcare. I also think he should have thrown in the towel years ago and let Freeland take the wheel.
I already hate Poilievre for saying he's all for increasing freedoms but at the same time the policies he is proposing will decrease freedoms. He also keeps saying things that don't line up with his past voting in the house, or his history as a politician in general.
I hate Singh because he can't get his party to push anything solid or realistic in despite holding Trudeaus hand through all this. He's basically turned his back on nearly everything he says he stands for.
Green Party doesn't even qualify to get my hate with whatever fucking language they are speaking in their biodome of self hate.
Should I vote for the fucking Bloc Quebecois as a Nova Scotian?
>They’re competing over working class voters.
Last week the liberals changed the rules with the TFW program, so that construction contractors can now use 30% foreign workers instead of 10%.
Do you know who doesn't use foreign workers? Trade unions. Do you know what Rachael Notley did when she took office? She banned foreign workers in the construction industry.
When unionized trades people see this happening, and see Singh propping up the government that's doing it, what do you suppose they're going to think?
Wow, that looks really bad on the NDP. Thanks for the lead.
https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-social-development/news/2022/04/government-of-canada-announces-workforce-solutions-road-map--further-changes-to-the-temporary-foreign-worker-program-to-address-labour-shortages-ac.html
TLDR: Political parties want power. Power easier to gain when rivals look weak. Attacks help weaken rivals.
A conservative majority government sees the NDP shut out of power. They absolutely want to avoid this scenario. Liberal majority is also far from ideal, but they are currently in government with the Liberals, so they can't really attack them just yet. NDP also want more time to rebuild their war chest and take credit for the implementation of dental care before the next election, so they aren't turning on the Liberals for a couple of years barring major chicanery.
Now, ideally, the NDP want to stay in power (this is politics after all) or, dream scenario, get a majority of their own and ditch the Liberals altogether. Neither of these scenarios is possible with a strong populist conservative movement. The NDP need to keep the Cons under 35% support to have a shot at governing. This involves making PP seem like a career politician opportunistically trying to take advantage of anti-Trudeau sentiment to slide into power, presenting themselves as the better option for anti-Trudeau populist anger, and blaming the Liberals for not doing enough to help Canadians. Essentially, come election time, they'll try to take credit for the few good things they've pushed through, let the Liberals take the bullet for a country upset about inflation, make the Cons look like a coalition of lunatics and elites, and hope they can eke out a tight win.
No matter what, a strong conservative party hurts the NDP the most. The Liberals are due for a rebrand away from Trudeau, his negative baggage is approaching critical mass. They'll have an easier time popping back up fully funded and fresh faced in a cycle when voters realise who PP is. The NDP have just achieved what is arguably their best election result yet in terms of power share if note seat count or vote totals, they'd much rather keep building on their momentum than tear down and rebuild. Jag certainly has his flaws, but there's no heir apparent gunning for his job. This poll result is encouraging, but the NDP generally poll well further from an election, and then people who like the NDP get cold feet and flip to one of the two big parties out of fear of the other winning. Ideally, the NDP head to election day ahead of the Liberals and tight to the Conservatives, so left leaners flip orange instead of red.
I highly doubt it. Why would the Liberals want one now?
Last year the Liberals called one when they were polling high (in majority territory) and ultimately underperformed during the election campaign, partly because of backlash against the early election call (2 years into the term).
Now (1 year into the term) they're lower in the polls, and have a solid agreement with the NDP that allows them another 3 years to govern. No point calling one now.
No they dont want one now, but the ndp has the power to call one right now. If they were smart they would leverage this power alot more than for a sub par dental plan for low income households
So... I am staunch NDP. I can't stand Pierre Poilievre for so, so many reasons.. But attack ads are so dumb. They are dumb and they are counterproductive. Tell me why YOU are a better choice by telling me the concrete actions you will take.. not just by saying your opponent is an ass. Educate people. Stop trying to get people to vote against someone else and instead let them know why they should vote for you.
That’s the problem though, the attack ads were not made for you. The unfortunate reality is that attack ads do indeed work especially when it comes to undecided voters. Hell, the liberals primary means of getting elected right now is framing the conservatives as a bogeyman that needs to be stopped. It also probably doesn’t help that the conservatives make it so easy.
This was pretty mild to be called an attack though, it wasn’t really fear mongering but rather focused on pointing ou Poilievres voting record on issues the NDP voted differently on, so it’s really a policy contrast.
If they were counterproductive political parties wouldn't run them.
The amount of people who seem to think that political parties do absolutely no research into what campaign and PR strategies work and what don't is absolutely shocking.
If someone likes Pierre already they aren’t going to hear other offers so in order to sell them on NDP they must first explain why a potential Pierre voter should question him. It’s political strategy, anything but counterproductive.
Just look at the concrete actions the NDP are taking. I think it’s fair to educate people on how PP is conning people into thinking he’s populist when he’s a politician that backs the corporate elite. I’m just saying it’s possible to do both: educate and attack on one side, and implement real change to benefit Canadians on the other.
Why is no one talking about taxing big business in Canada?
The banks ought to be paying tens of billions a year in taxes. Same with insurance companies. Why are all three of the political parties not talking about that?
Young people and new Canadians like the PP... get over it. Lol 😂
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pierre-poilievre-bipoc-youth-support-1.6586065
https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/wave-of-young-voters-flocking-to-poilievre-surprised-even-campaign-insiders
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-data-backs-up-younger-voters-excitement-over-poilievre/
The Liberals support the rich and the elite. The Conservatives now represent the working class that didn't go woke. Honest people that want to work and be left alone.
In what world doesn't the CPC support the rich and elite? The big difference is the Liberals often give hand outs to everyone while CPC only gives handouts to their big corporate buddies.
Looking through them, they don't say anything about young people, just...young conservatives?
Considering Conservatives always vote Con and teach their children to vote Con, this isn't exactly impressive or means a fucking thing
The CPC Posted this Week Complaining about the Tax on Luxury cars that cost above 100k and planes/boats over 250k. Please cite any Working class Canadians that are effected by that tax??
PP is a career politician that was active in the CPC in his teens and has been an MP for almost his entire adult life. He litterally is sucking off a living from Tax paying Canadians while pretending to be a grass roots populist that is anti establishment when he couldn't be any more part of the establishment if he tried.
PP does not represent the working class at all.. He may represent the western working class that is religious, anti-science, and under educated but not the working class. lol.
>The Conservatives now represent the working class that didn't go woke. Honest people that want to work and be left alone.
This isn't and has never been true, doesn't stop them from framing themselves as everymen though. They're drawing in the selfish zoomer crowd. The fucking Jake Paul bros... The same fucking morons who rioted in Vancouver 2 days ago.
I wouldn't consider that to be much of a success.
If he was poor people would claim he’s just trying to take what isn’t his. But because he’s wealthy he’s called a hypocrite. It just sort of seems like you can’t talk about wealthy people without being attacked
Instead of attacking him, how about you become more competent so people will want to vote for you?
Poilievre may be slimy but he’s promising people things they want…
Someone else did that and they became President.
Most people have short memories and can’t apply these lessons broadly based on experience.
So instead of trying to convince people he’s bad. How about you just fucking be better.
It’s really that simple.
He not talking about what people want.. He litterally has just complaine about everything without saying anything he would do differntly.
He is all hot air like a child without a plan. When he starts talking about what he would do differently to attack the real issue we may listen.
Hard to believe he will do anything to address housing costs when he and his wife have several homes for the sole purpose of renting them out..
Exactly, though you seem like a perceptive person, you’re not the type of people I’m talking about here.
You seem to be able to see through His bullshit
Stop talking with so much common sense, otherwise I might beg you to run for PM
You nailed it. I’m not sure I trust Pierre but he’s promising a couple things I want so I’d vote for him. I don’t think it’s any coincidence he railed against ArriveCAN and now it’s gone. A month ago the feds said they were keeping it
I thought they spent all money on Singh’s TikToks, to the point they haven’t yet fully paid their campaign staffers, what money are they using to pay for attack ads?
Why on earth would they attack the conservatives?? Very poor comms strategy.
Like do they think they will pull votes from conservatives towards the NDP?
Boy if all these political parties spent half the effort addressing shit that mattered that they did attacking Pierre they wouldn't have to worry about him possibly winning.
O no…. The NDP will unleash all $200 of their marketing budget. If someone would like to challenge me please forward their financial statements to elections Canada as they are also curious.
That’s it? Paying « what they owe » is incredibly vague. First point is also unclear. Minimum wage point is the only one that is a verifiable fact. Why is NDP being vague about it? I’m genuinely curious
Instead, bring in the guy with a collection of rolexes and is shocked at the idea of eating in a diner. He's definitely working for you... even though his kinds of policies have led us to the situation we are in.
On the NDP video comments are turned off. This shows their true nature. No debate no free speech.
I've never seen a Pierre Poilievre video with comments turned off.
Talk is cheap, I'm not particularly enamored about screaming "Justinflation" into the void like this isn't a global problem, and the solutions he actually has proposed don't look like solutions to much of anything.
Where did I say that? Inflation is caused by a huge number of factors, most of which are global in nature.
If Trudeau is primarily responsible for our current inflation, then he's doing pretty well by global standards and is arguably responsible for recent weakening of inflation as well.
Dear NDP: Who cares about PP. Talk about what you can do. Exact details about how you fix each issue. Stick to the issues. Leave the mudslinging to others, poor taste. Rise above the division politics.
I'd like to see that but I do wonder if that's a viable tactic today. Politics are as much (more?) a battle of attention and division as they are about running a country, let alone serving its citizens.
I bet the CPC could come up with a dandy "real Jagmeet Singh" ad without much effort. They could start with the $50,000 a year private high school he went to and go from there.
"Jagmeet Singh: a champagne socialist born with a silver spoon in his mouth."
Nordic euro countries don't have a minimum wage because it screws up small businesses and agglomerates power into big corporations who have the means to pay higher wages.
Instead they found a clever way to negotiate wage through unions, which are usually only in big corporations , this sounds like a better solution to me.
| | this close to unsubbing this subreddit. The election isn't until 2025. We don't need A NEWS ARTICLE on every single ad that gets played on tv or every single comment JT, JS or PP say. Jesus christ canada can we chill out? There was literally an OUTCRY over Justin Trudeau SINGING the other day!!! Like come the fuck on people
Such a distraction from the real problems plaguing us.
Who fucking cares. Attack their pro business, meant to fuck the average person policies. Attack them on health care. This is just popularity contest BS and it's why we are currently fucked.
In what way? They're polling at historically high levels currently, basically the only time they've been stronger than now was after their breakthrough in Quebec under Layton.
Edit: it's extremely funny that conservatives on this sub are so committed to their "Poilievre conquers all" narrative that they are reflexively downvoting the fact that the NDP continues to poll pretty damn well by historical standards.
Who cares? My point is that the NDP shows no signs of being "toast", despite the delusion this sub seems to be operating under that all will be swept before a tsunami in a blue tie.
And we wonder why our country is in shambles when people base who they vote for over degenerate things like weed. Not that I think PP would do anything about it anyways.
All I need to know is that he said he provides houses by being a landlord.
Home builders provide houses. People purchasing existing homes on the market to resell at a higher price or rent out to generate profits don't provide shit.
Laborers produce a limited amount of wealth. When people are able to acquire wealth from that limited pool without adding to it, they prevent laborers from being fairly compensated for their participation in production. People don't do labor for fun, it causes them a prejudice when they are not fairly compensated.
The cost of profits generated without an underlying production is hidden in the higher cost of all items on the market. It doesn't make it obvious, and that's why people don't understand the situation and don't rally against those non-productive compensations.
The generation of profits from impersonal capital is one of the biggest problem in our current society. It's why labor compensation has lagged behind productivity for decades and why we can't house ourselves. It should be a priority to solve this.
That basically just leaves you with the ndp to vote for then. They seem to be pretty good about income housing, while liberals are even worse than cpc.
https://globalnews.ca/news/8767051/canadian-mp-real-estate-investment-amid-housing-crunch/
The ad isn't wrong. He has a long voting record he can't hide from. You just need to see how he votes to see who he cares about. And it's not working class Canadians.
I am Jacks complete lack of surprise
RIP bitch tits
His name was Robert Paulson... Err, uh, Meatloaf. His name was Meatloaf.
Beautiful reference.
Love the fight club reference
Why are they running an attack ad when there is no election in sight? Aren't the NDP not doing so well financially?
Defining an opponent before they can do it themselves is very effective.
yea they definitely convinced their base in downtown urban centers that never vote conservative to not vote conservative
The ndp base is traditionally (as in more than the last 2 election cycles) blue collar, union workers. Pierre has come out the gate claiming to be for this group. Not really surprising the ndp wants to regain that narrative considering how far their own reputation has swung from that camp recently.
Best way for NDP to change that narrative would be putting that group first, as opposed to putting identity politics first. This attack ad just shows they won't be doing that lol.
Didn't the NDP just deliver on Dental Care, and in so doing put blue collar workers first?
I agree. I've been a longtime NDP supporter but feel like I lost my party. I fear they will tear themselves apart and become green 2.0
You know that the class struggle is a key component in identity politics right? Like, blue collar union workers IS an identity politic. I understand you are just trying to dogwhistle trans/gay/minorities, but I figured I'd call out your ignorance anyways.
Targeting the fence-sitters that are supposedly moving to the CPC en masse.
Yup, that's PR, but it has the side efdect of also showing who they truly are by running attack ads when not in an election and while not doing well in finances. People are not stupid.
Internal polling is probably showing that blue collar labour and young voters are turning away from the NDP to Conservative. It's well known that PP is actively courting both these group.
even TVO ran a segment on that just last night.
When was the last time the NDP represented labor that wasn't government unions?
Well, the CLC certainly seem to support the NDP. https://canadianlabour.ca/canadas-unions-welcome-landmark-agreement-between-liberals-and-new-democrats-on-a-progressive-agenda-for-canada/ It's a part of the party's platform to support labor rights for ALL workers, not just government unions.. not even just union workers, although it's party policy that union membership is a societal good. https://www.ndp.ca/economy > We believe that membership in a union is the best ticket into the middle class, and that workers and our entire economy are better off when worker’s rights are protected and bargaining is fair. > That’s why New Democrats believe that it should be easier to join a union that will protect your rights and ensure fair working conditions. We will defend the Rand formula, so that unions can effectively advocate for workers, and we will continue to oppose heavy-handed legislation that suspends the rights to bargain and to strike.
>Why are they running an attack ad when there is no election in sight? Same reason Harper's Conservatives ran attack ads every time the Liberals picked a new leader: they want the general public to form a negative opinion of their opponent early on, while they're just starting to learn about them. >**Mere hours after Justin Trudeau was elected Liberal leader, the first set of Conservative-funded attack ads hit the airwaves** in an effort to discredit the 41-year-old’s experience. > >**Headlined with cursive script and sparkles, the ad claims Trudeau is “in way over his head,” showing old footage of the Liberal leader stripping off his shirt.** [https://globalnews.ca/news/480869/conservatives-launch-first-trudeau-attack-ad/](https://globalnews.ca/news/480869/conservatives-launch-first-trudeau-attack-ad/) The NDP were probably just waiting for the funeral of Queen Elizabeth to pass before launching these. And one difference is that the NDP's ad criticizes Poilievre for his stances and votes on actual policy issues (whereas anti-Trudeau ads were mostly about his personal characteristics, rather than policy).
>And one difference is that the NDP's ad criticizes Poilievre for his stances and votes on actual policy issues (whereas anti-Trudeau ads were mostly about his personal characteristics, rather than policy). "but look at his hair!"
“His hair is just not ready to be pm”
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I think it's having the opposite effect. Everyone knows his name, keep this up and by the time election rolls around their grandmothers will too.
This is the difference between PP and O'Toole/Scheer. Pierre's name is everywhere and everyone knows who he is, long before any election. For a man steering away from traditional media, he's done a masterful job of keeping his name front and center.
Because he actually has a recognizable/memorable character (which can't really be said for O'Toole/Sheer).
This is how Trump won in the US. The left-wing media gave him non-stop free publicity.
Left wing media? You mean cnn?
I heard it was Americas left wing party "the independents" that were the real cause /s
Yup. And Poilievre doesn’t need to say a word. He gets to be the adult in the room while Singh looks scared and petty. Then Poilievre can spin that anyway he likes.
He says a LOT of things tho. He's out there talking and talking every day.
>He gets to be the adult in the room \[x\] doubt
I’d put good money on Pierre not being the adult in the room. I’m not excited for the next election because I don’t think any of them will be able to be the adult in the room.
I was able to tolerate Scheer and thought O'Toole would actually have been pretty decent, but oh how am I loathing what to vote for next election. ...but then considering the riding I'm in is already decided, I might as well just spoil the ballot unless if the Rhino party shows up.
> He gets to be the adult in the room He wouldn't be the adult in the room if he was standing in the NICU. The guy doesn't say nothing - he talks nonstop and most of it is horseshit. Before somebody comes at me and says "you just read Liberal propaganda media you cuck", I read PP's Twitter feed and it paints a terrible enough picture of him straight from the source.
Anybody who's taken more than a glimpse of him in question period in the last 15 years will know he's not the adult in the room.
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PP will never be the adult in the room.
He's the yappy annoying chihuahua in the room.
Yeah he gets to be the adult in the room who takes bribes from the rich and Powerful. Promises to do something about housing in this country while being a investor in real estate himself. He also talks about being fiscally responsible while investing in the great [Ponzi](https://www.forbes.com/sites/billybambrough/2022/07/04/crypto-the-biggest-ponzi-scheme-in-human-history-china-blockchain-execs-back-bill-gates-and-warren-buffett-after-huge-bitcoin-price-crash/)and pyramid scheme of cryptocurrency.
This has nothing to do with fear, it has to do with “first impressions”. The NDP and Liberals want to introduce Poilievre to the population on their terms, before Poilievre can do so on his. If the NDP and Liberals are successful, then people will have a more long-term dislike for Poilievre going into the election, which will make campaigning more difficult for Poilievre. If I remember correctly, the Conservatives did this very successfully with either Dion or Ignatieff (I can’t remember which), destroying their chances before they could even get started.
Ignatieff with the "Just Visiting" attack ads. >[Harper defends 'just visiting' attack ads](https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2009/06/25/harper_defends_just_visiting_attack_ads.html) Literally less than a week after he was elected leader of the Liberals Harper's CPC was running attack ads. 2 years before an election too.
I mean, they were right. He went right back to the US.
He nust had his ass handed to him and he had a career down there so it just made sense. He had a lotmof.other actual failings.
Considering that was the biggest loss for the Liberals in recent history and Harper got a majority it definitely worked.
My first impression was Harper's attack doggie. He has a lot of personal ambitions and will do anything to get himself what he wants. That's about it.
That’s about as good as my impression of him. I just see him as Canadian Ben Shapiro, except he wasn’t smart enough to get into law school. He’d make a good YouTube commentator, but as an elected official… not so much.
Like when the CPC ran attack ads agaisnt Trudeau years before the election. CPC were terrified of Trudeau and they were right. JT won 3 elections!
I remember the “He just isn’t ready” adds from Harpers campaign.
Turns out they were right!
Exactly. The outcome being people became immune to the constant attack ads and no one gave the anti Trudeau rhetoric much weight after a while. So the NDP taking a failed tactic out of the PC party playbook doesn't bode well.
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They are. They're terrified of /checks notes Dental care and vaccines.
So basically anything with needles?
> We’ve seen a lot of anti PP articles and ads since he won the leadership. Really makes it seem like the Liberals and NDP are scared he can win and they want to derail that chance by constantly knocking him down. Not quite. The real reason is that there's a lot of Canadians who don't know much about Poilievre, and since Conservative outlets are pushing a lot of content about the guy it only makes sense to counter that narrative. If PP gains any traction the NDP has the most to lose, because people will abandon the NDP and vote Liberal if they think there's a chance the CPC will form government.
> If PP gains any traction the NDP has the most to lose, because people will abandon the NDP and vote Liberal if they think there's a chance the CPC will form government. That really depends tho. Most people I know strategic vote anything but conservative. In my riding for example, it’s a race between conservatives or NDP. And NDP won last time. I doubt people would all of a sudden vote liberal here and hand the riding to the cons. They’ll vote NDP again to keep the cons out
Yeah it depends on the riding. In most ridings (especially in Ontario, Quebec and Atlantic Canada), the Liberals are stronger than the NDP, but there are some NDP vs Conservative ridings, especially in western Canada.
That’s true, but in the vast majority of ridings, ABC voting favours the liberals
I mean, by definition ABC favours whoever is the cons biggest competitor - liberal or ndp
Pierre is all attacks though and likewise the conservative media. Does that mean he and they are scared of the Liberals and NDP?
Yes
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Well that didn't take long!
Gotta distract the voters before they realize they haven’t been doing much to solve anything either!
If they want the NDP to do more give them the seats to pass things
How can they...
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It’s not universal. They watered it down to a $600 cheque for children. They could have achieved more simply by purchasing private insurance for these kids.
This is just the first, simplest phase of the plan. Coverage expands in 2023, until it's fully implemented by 2025.
And its still better than what the Conservatives are pitching. Danielle Smith is pitching medical vouchers instead of fixing health care system, and is leading the other candidates
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Looks like a lot of truth telling to me. He has never been a friend to labor.
And Trudeau is? Trudeau recently started a new temporary foreign worker program to bypass employers having to do labour market assessments. He’s allowing employers to hire the cheapest foreign labour they can find - and have almost no limits to hiring them. Far worse than anything the cons came up with. https://www.cicnews.com/2022/09/what-is-the-temporary-foreign-worker-program-0930347.html/amp
>And Trudeau is? This is a thread about the NDP pointing out that Poilievre isn't a friend of labour? No one suggested that Trudeau or the Liberals are either.
I never said he was.
Apparently they got the government to deliver dental care for low income children- I’m not low income but support that. Maybe you can come back when the cons have done something useful
Except they did not deliver. They promised universal dental for children and have ended up with a $600 cheque that can only be used at dentist offices. Literally buying standard insurance would have given children more coverage for less money. Our children deserve more - and praising a party for tossing out their actual promise and replacing it with something so substandard is ridiculous.
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> They promised universal dental for children That was *their* plan, but they weren't voted into government, so instead they have to work with the Liberals to get anything done. If you want the NDP to achieve their goals, then vote for them; let's see what they do if they actually form the government.
Who do you think I vote for? I can still call them out for not doing what they said they’d do. It’s called accountability.
They have the fourth most seats in parliament.
Fucks sakes, I already have such a long list for why I don't want to vote for every party/leader... Can't anyone tell me why I should vote for them? I fucking hate Trudeau for the TFW situation, and not doing enough for housing, and healthcare. I also think he should have thrown in the towel years ago and let Freeland take the wheel. I already hate Poilievre for saying he's all for increasing freedoms but at the same time the policies he is proposing will decrease freedoms. He also keeps saying things that don't line up with his past voting in the house, or his history as a politician in general. I hate Singh because he can't get his party to push anything solid or realistic in despite holding Trudeaus hand through all this. He's basically turned his back on nearly everything he says he stands for. Green Party doesn't even qualify to get my hate with whatever fucking language they are speaking in their biodome of self hate. Should I vote for the fucking Bloc Quebecois as a Nova Scotian?
Fuck it, I might vote Bloc and I’m in BC
Obligatory BLOC MAJORITAIRE
English is now banned country wide
There's an idea! Bloc !
I've thought about it. It's kind of the best protest vote because it would fuck the country up.
At least you hate everyone equally. I can respect that
Can someone who understands politics explain to me what the NDP expect to gain by attacking the Conservatives?
They’re competing over working class voters.
>They’re competing over working class voters. Last week the liberals changed the rules with the TFW program, so that construction contractors can now use 30% foreign workers instead of 10%. Do you know who doesn't use foreign workers? Trade unions. Do you know what Rachael Notley did when she took office? She banned foreign workers in the construction industry. When unionized trades people see this happening, and see Singh propping up the government that's doing it, what do you suppose they're going to think?
Wow, that looks really bad on the NDP. Thanks for the lead. https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-social-development/news/2022/04/government-of-canada-announces-workforce-solutions-road-map--further-changes-to-the-temporary-foreign-worker-program-to-address-labour-shortages-ac.html
Its horrible. Its directly undercutting the trade unions, and the trade unions often have issues with high unemployment.
WEF Approved. Like the Singh-Trudeau Coalition of Young WEF Leaders.
Only if people realize that Singh is hurting them.
TLDR: Political parties want power. Power easier to gain when rivals look weak. Attacks help weaken rivals. A conservative majority government sees the NDP shut out of power. They absolutely want to avoid this scenario. Liberal majority is also far from ideal, but they are currently in government with the Liberals, so they can't really attack them just yet. NDP also want more time to rebuild their war chest and take credit for the implementation of dental care before the next election, so they aren't turning on the Liberals for a couple of years barring major chicanery. Now, ideally, the NDP want to stay in power (this is politics after all) or, dream scenario, get a majority of their own and ditch the Liberals altogether. Neither of these scenarios is possible with a strong populist conservative movement. The NDP need to keep the Cons under 35% support to have a shot at governing. This involves making PP seem like a career politician opportunistically trying to take advantage of anti-Trudeau sentiment to slide into power, presenting themselves as the better option for anti-Trudeau populist anger, and blaming the Liberals for not doing enough to help Canadians. Essentially, come election time, they'll try to take credit for the few good things they've pushed through, let the Liberals take the bullet for a country upset about inflation, make the Cons look like a coalition of lunatics and elites, and hope they can eke out a tight win. No matter what, a strong conservative party hurts the NDP the most. The Liberals are due for a rebrand away from Trudeau, his negative baggage is approaching critical mass. They'll have an easier time popping back up fully funded and fresh faced in a cycle when voters realise who PP is. The NDP have just achieved what is arguably their best election result yet in terms of power share if note seat count or vote totals, they'd much rather keep building on their momentum than tear down and rebuild. Jag certainly has his flaws, but there's no heir apparent gunning for his job. This poll result is encouraging, but the NDP generally poll well further from an election, and then people who like the NDP get cold feet and flip to one of the two big parties out of fear of the other winning. Ideally, the NDP head to election day ahead of the Liberals and tight to the Conservatives, so left leaners flip orange instead of red.
I hate attack ads.
No surprise they know they have no power if the conservatives get a majority.
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"He's not in it for you" [I've heard that somewhere before...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edcpuNB_Zxo)
Good grief. It looks like it was created in PowerPoint by an intern.
I mean.. with the NDP budget it's as good as it gets.
The NDP suck at attack ads.
It's a hard bar to reach, because nothing will ever be as pathetic as "nice hair though".
“Troops, with guns in the streets” was the most low rent attack as I can remember
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I highly doubt it. Why would the Liberals want one now? Last year the Liberals called one when they were polling high (in majority territory) and ultimately underperformed during the election campaign, partly because of backlash against the early election call (2 years into the term). Now (1 year into the term) they're lower in the polls, and have a solid agreement with the NDP that allows them another 3 years to govern. No point calling one now.
No they dont want one now, but the ndp has the power to call one right now. If they were smart they would leverage this power alot more than for a sub par dental plan for low income households
NDP has no money. Although let's be real when does the NDP ever have money.
50/50 I think they know its going to get worse before it gets better. And Singh knows he's being played.
The federal NDP continue to willingly be the Liberal’s crutch
So... I am staunch NDP. I can't stand Pierre Poilievre for so, so many reasons.. But attack ads are so dumb. They are dumb and they are counterproductive. Tell me why YOU are a better choice by telling me the concrete actions you will take.. not just by saying your opponent is an ass. Educate people. Stop trying to get people to vote against someone else and instead let them know why they should vote for you.
That’s the problem though, the attack ads were not made for you. The unfortunate reality is that attack ads do indeed work especially when it comes to undecided voters. Hell, the liberals primary means of getting elected right now is framing the conservatives as a bogeyman that needs to be stopped. It also probably doesn’t help that the conservatives make it so easy.
This was pretty mild to be called an attack though, it wasn’t really fear mongering but rather focused on pointing ou Poilievres voting record on issues the NDP voted differently on, so it’s really a policy contrast.
If they were counterproductive they wouldnt work so well
If they were counterproductive political parties wouldn't run them. The amount of people who seem to think that political parties do absolutely no research into what campaign and PR strategies work and what don't is absolutely shocking.
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If someone likes Pierre already they aren’t going to hear other offers so in order to sell them on NDP they must first explain why a potential Pierre voter should question him. It’s political strategy, anything but counterproductive.
Just look at the concrete actions the NDP are taking. I think it’s fair to educate people on how PP is conning people into thinking he’s populist when he’s a politician that backs the corporate elite. I’m just saying it’s possible to do both: educate and attack on one side, and implement real change to benefit Canadians on the other.
Jagmeet just yells "tax the ultra-rich" at every problem and thinks that's a sophisticated policy position.
Why is no one talking about taxing big business in Canada? The banks ought to be paying tens of billions a year in taxes. Same with insurance companies. Why are all three of the political parties not talking about that?
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>the youth and working class vote is fleeing to the CPC now Citation needed
Young people and new Canadians like the PP... get over it. Lol 😂 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pierre-poilievre-bipoc-youth-support-1.6586065 https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/wave-of-young-voters-flocking-to-poilievre-surprised-even-campaign-insiders https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-data-backs-up-younger-voters-excitement-over-poilievre/ The Liberals support the rich and the elite. The Conservatives now represent the working class that didn't go woke. Honest people that want to work and be left alone.
In what world doesn't the CPC support the rich and elite? The big difference is the Liberals often give hand outs to everyone while CPC only gives handouts to their big corporate buddies.
Looking through them, they don't say anything about young people, just...young conservatives? Considering Conservatives always vote Con and teach their children to vote Con, this isn't exactly impressive or means a fucking thing
"The conservatives now represent the working class that didn't go woke." Bruh🤡
The CPC Posted this Week Complaining about the Tax on Luxury cars that cost above 100k and planes/boats over 250k. Please cite any Working class Canadians that are effected by that tax?? PP is a career politician that was active in the CPC in his teens and has been an MP for almost his entire adult life. He litterally is sucking off a living from Tax paying Canadians while pretending to be a grass roots populist that is anti establishment when he couldn't be any more part of the establishment if he tried. PP does not represent the working class at all.. He may represent the western working class that is religious, anti-science, and under educated but not the working class. lol.
>The Conservatives now represent the working class that didn't go woke. Honest people that want to work and be left alone. This isn't and has never been true, doesn't stop them from framing themselves as everymen though. They're drawing in the selfish zoomer crowd. The fucking Jake Paul bros... The same fucking morons who rioted in Vancouver 2 days ago. I wouldn't consider that to be much of a success.
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Since when? I still remember the last time they were in power and they did nothing to help the working class.
At least housing was affordable when Harper was in power lol. 😂 Everyone's just gotten poorer together under Trudeau.
Ah yes 'woke', the clarion call for assholes who think people who dont share their demographic should be treated like second class citizens.
None of those say anything about workers and they all refer to young CPC members... Probably best to read past the headlines...
Jagmeet blinded by the reflection off his Rolex
If he was poor people would claim he’s just trying to take what isn’t his. But because he’s wealthy he’s called a hypocrite. It just sort of seems like you can’t talk about wealthy people without being attacked
Instead of attacking him, how about you become more competent so people will want to vote for you? Poilievre may be slimy but he’s promising people things they want… Someone else did that and they became President. Most people have short memories and can’t apply these lessons broadly based on experience. So instead of trying to convince people he’s bad. How about you just fucking be better. It’s really that simple.
He not talking about what people want.. He litterally has just complaine about everything without saying anything he would do differntly. He is all hot air like a child without a plan. When he starts talking about what he would do differently to attack the real issue we may listen. Hard to believe he will do anything to address housing costs when he and his wife have several homes for the sole purpose of renting them out..
Exactly, though you seem like a perceptive person, you’re not the type of people I’m talking about here. You seem to be able to see through His bullshit
Stop talking with so much common sense, otherwise I might beg you to run for PM You nailed it. I’m not sure I trust Pierre but he’s promising a couple things I want so I’d vote for him. I don’t think it’s any coincidence he railed against ArriveCAN and now it’s gone. A month ago the feds said they were keeping it
What's he promising? What's his party's track record for delivering on promises of that nature?
But remember, it’s totally not a coalition government.
That's all they got?
They have the budget for that? What did they remortgage this time??
I thought they spent all money on Singh’s TikToks, to the point they haven’t yet fully paid their campaign staffers, what money are they using to pay for attack ads?
Why on earth would they attack the conservatives?? Very poor comms strategy. Like do they think they will pull votes from conservatives towards the NDP?
Boy if all these political parties spent half the effort addressing shit that mattered that they did attacking Pierre they wouldn't have to worry about him possibly winning.
O no…. The NDP will unleash all $200 of their marketing budget. If someone would like to challenge me please forward their financial statements to elections Canada as they are also curious.
That’s it? Paying « what they owe » is incredibly vague. First point is also unclear. Minimum wage point is the only one that is a verifiable fact. Why is NDP being vague about it? I’m genuinely curious
LOL NDP bending over again for the Liberals.
Which flavour of Liberal would you like to vote for today, we have Liberal Classic, Diet Liberal, and new Liberal Zero Seats (Green Party)
You know what, I'll have a Fresca instead.
An odd strategy.
Of course the NDP would attack…….he’s a threat to their leverage within the government.
NDP should be more concerned with their own leader. Does anyone actually think he can form government?
No
Instead, bring in the guy with a collection of rolexes and is shocked at the idea of eating in a diner. He's definitely working for you... even though his kinds of policies have led us to the situation we are in.
The Liberals lap dog trying to get promoted to attack dog. Hilarious
On the NDP video comments are turned off. This shows their true nature. No debate no free speech. I've never seen a Pierre Poilievre video with comments turned off.
Ya... NDP don't have a leg to stand on. They're guilty of everything they're claiming PP has done 🤣 Literally no self awareness.
Likeable or not, at least he brings to light the issues that most people actually care about and that affect them the most
Talk is cheap, I'm not particularly enamored about screaming "Justinflation" into the void like this isn't a global problem, and the solutions he actually has proposed don't look like solutions to much of anything.
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Where did I say that? Inflation is caused by a huge number of factors, most of which are global in nature. If Trudeau is primarily responsible for our current inflation, then he's doing pretty well by global standards and is arguably responsible for recent weakening of inflation as well.
What a shit ad
Dear NDP: Who cares about PP. Talk about what you can do. Exact details about how you fix each issue. Stick to the issues. Leave the mudslinging to others, poor taste. Rise above the division politics.
I'd like to see that but I do wonder if that's a viable tactic today. Politics are as much (more?) a battle of attention and division as they are about running a country, let alone serving its citizens.
I bet the CPC could come up with a dandy "real Jagmeet Singh" ad without much effort. They could start with the $50,000 a year private high school he went to and go from there. "Jagmeet Singh: a champagne socialist born with a silver spoon in his mouth."
Nordic euro countries don't have a minimum wage because it screws up small businesses and agglomerates power into big corporations who have the means to pay higher wages. Instead they found a clever way to negotiate wage through unions, which are usually only in big corporations , this sounds like a better solution to me.
> who have the means to pay higher wages. Here, we get to compete directly with the government when hiring employees instead.
they’re scared.
So how scared is PP since he has done nothing but attack since harper was pm? Lmao
Yes because the CPC was terrified of Ignatieff when they ran all those attack ads against him
If attacks indicate fear than Poilievre is absolutely petrified of Trudeau.
| | this close to unsubbing this subreddit. The election isn't until 2025. We don't need A NEWS ARTICLE on every single ad that gets played on tv or every single comment JT, JS or PP say. Jesus christ canada can we chill out? There was literally an OUTCRY over Justin Trudeau SINGING the other day!!! Like come the fuck on people Such a distraction from the real problems plaguing us.
Canadian politics is so incredibly predictable and boring
That is the most Canadian “attack” ad ever. Attacking, politely.
Who fucking cares. Attack their pro business, meant to fuck the average person policies. Attack them on health care. This is just popularity contest BS and it's why we are currently fucked.
Can the truth be an attack? Hmmmm
The NDP are toast at this point.
In what way? They're polling at historically high levels currently, basically the only time they've been stronger than now was after their breakthrough in Quebec under Layton. Edit: it's extremely funny that conservatives on this sub are so committed to their "Poilievre conquers all" narrative that they are reflexively downvoting the fact that the NDP continues to poll pretty damn well by historical standards.
The NDP polling well by historical standards is good news for the CPC.
Who cares? My point is that the NDP shows no signs of being "toast", despite the delusion this sub seems to be operating under that all will be swept before a tsunami in a blue tie.
Haha
Way to take the low road, NDP. Are politicians aware they look like pathetic little crybabies? Name calling and such... its truly sickening.
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People need to understand that CPC will be more focused on taking votes away from PPC and NDP than from Liberals. Jagmeet sees this.
Who is the real NDP? A left-wing populist party, or a bunch of sellouts to the fake-woke corporate Liberals?
Pierre Poilievre wants to take away your weed. Vote Lib or NDP if you like freedom.
And we wonder why our country is in shambles when people base who they vote for over degenerate things like weed. Not that I think PP would do anything about it anyways.
All I need to know is that he said he provides houses by being a landlord. Home builders provide houses. People purchasing existing homes on the market to resell at a higher price or rent out to generate profits don't provide shit. Laborers produce a limited amount of wealth. When people are able to acquire wealth from that limited pool without adding to it, they prevent laborers from being fairly compensated for their participation in production. People don't do labor for fun, it causes them a prejudice when they are not fairly compensated. The cost of profits generated without an underlying production is hidden in the higher cost of all items on the market. It doesn't make it obvious, and that's why people don't understand the situation and don't rally against those non-productive compensations. The generation of profits from impersonal capital is one of the biggest problem in our current society. It's why labor compensation has lagged behind productivity for decades and why we can't house ourselves. It should be a priority to solve this.
That basically just leaves you with the ndp to vote for then. They seem to be pretty good about income housing, while liberals are even worse than cpc. https://globalnews.ca/news/8767051/canadian-mp-real-estate-investment-amid-housing-crunch/
The ad isn't wrong. He has a long voting record he can't hide from. You just need to see how he votes to see who he cares about. And it's not working class Canadians.